Great vlog lads what you say is spot on the only thing that pisses me off is the throttle there is a up grade for ecu when it gets to uk don’t know and it’s not cheap it’s value for money carry on
I'd seriously consider one of these. I'm not as young and strong as I was so think this would be the most likely upgrade for me. Currently riding a sub 200cc farm bike which will do the speed limit here.
Hi mate, I pick mine up tomorrow from "Trooperlu's" at Moorebank, Sydney and am looking forward to giving the "mild" off road a go. I have upper and lower crash bars, B+B sumpguard, barkbusters etc. Did you ever do the air intake modification that I have seen can't remember but an aussie company have the gear to do it.
@glennmorrissey2529 you won't regret it make great bike if you use it for what it is designed for . Looks like your in Sydney then if you ever looking to do some rides together let me no as much as i like riding on my own always good to join other people sometimes cheers enjoy
CF Moto has used this same motor in other models for over 2 years, no reports that the motor has had any concerning issues. With the popularity of this bike and global sales so high, parts availability appears to be a longer wait - noted when wanting to purchase genuine accessories, including crash bars, high seat, taller windscreen. IMO, you need the taller windscreen for highway riding if you get the higher seat. Heavy duty bash plate is a must if you plan any serios off-roading.
I was one of the first to get this bike in Medellin CO. So a lot of the problems I had with the bike could have been in set-up bcs they had only done 3 or 5 before mine. The suspension was set up super hard and combined with the twitchiness of the throttle was crazy and felt a little dangerous on tarmac. The smallest crack would reverberate to hands and then the twitchyness would light up and it would take a moment or 2 to settle it down. I tracked it down to suspension and was able to calm it down quite a bit. But in the owners manual it says seat can be lowered and shows you the exact hole in the back that would lower it about another inch. Again at that time new here. This city can have a steep hill with stop sign or light and be slanted sideways as well. While I could get both my feet down to most of the ball of both feet. It just wasn't sfe enough here. Off road you can hit that situation too. But not have a stop sign or light. They wouldn't do it. My son 18 and a rider too. Begged me to let him drive it but because of the snatchyness of throttle I just couldn't let him ride it and feel good about it. I let him drive fmy 950 for short distances. Just didnt feel safe. Again I think bcs it was one of the very first ones sold here more than likely. So I ended up selling it with less than 500 km on it. Kind of took it in the shorts. but that was my fault. Hopefully with all these newer small mid size bike there will be a good fit. I went to the CFMoto shop the other day and they have a new 800 MTX coming out. Has the KTM 790 motor and the lower fuel storage and more play in suspension. A bit more expensive. Unfortunately we get hit with a 30% tariff here. Great vid you hit most of my concerns except how in the manual they have a full page dedicated to lowering. I need to ask next time i'm at shop.
I purchased this bike 2 months ago, sadly it ain't cheap compared to your country, I paid little bit over $10.000, but I satisfied with the bike it feels light, handling were excelent and the power were enough
To all RUclips testers , take bike out on a off road trail on your own , drop bike on a hill , or in a river crossing , show us how possible a 195kg bike can be lifted whilst in boots and jacket , Any bike is easy to ride once moving …it’s all about being able to lift up a dropped bike or manoeuvre a bike from a narrow single trail dead end . Cheers
One of the reasons I keep hesitating about buying the CF as I do ride on my own. My little XT250 is easy to pick up and I fall off pretty regularly as the green lanes in the U.K. are relatively short, often muddy and usually contain a small element of something slightly technical. If we had long off road stretches which are more like gravel forest roads, it would be a no brainer. I’ve had the XT on top of me a couple of times where it’s pinning me against a wall, or bank and though it only weights 130Kg, which I can dead lift in the gym as a warm up, when it’s on top it’s hard to get out from under it. If the CF remains upright it’s fine, but I know I’m going down at some point.
That was a loaner bike, so we’re not dropping it because we want them to loan us bikes in the future. But if you’re really worried about that, then maybe a dual sport is for you. I wouldn’t take the MT450 through any of the river crossings near me. And I’ve done 30 km in a hectic riverbed alone on my WR450. We’ll be coming out with a dual sports vs MT450 video soon. Subscribe if you want to see that one!
@ I wish it was that easy. In the UK it is definitely a compromise. A dual sport is purgatory to ride to the trails, particularly winter/spring. Great when you get there. What we really want to know is if the MT can be picked up by a relative novice on his own. Your experience that you’d use the WR in the conditions where you’re more likely to drop the bike is revealing. At least that tells us what we needed to know - it isn’t going to be ideal.
@@nockianlifter661 spot on mate…and its something all you tube reviewers tap dance around…they show these 195kg bikes revelling in conditions where a Versys650 could go…they never show themselves stalling and dropping the bike and then picking the bike up alone…a CRF 300 Rally is 152kg and is on the cusp of the maximum ideal weight.
Lots of people compare it to being a little T7 and say this is too heavy. The real test is to lay both bikes down and see how easy they are to lift. Actually place a scale under the bars to see the weight at the bars. Because it is all about weight distribution and leverage. I believe they will see where the real difference is and that it is not the weight, but the weight distribution.
It took me years to understand this. From several 'sensible do everything bikes' to a ninja1000sx just because, for once, i followed that instinct and couldnt be happier. Saying that, the cf450mt looks mint if that is what you are after
The elephant in the room when this bike gets reviewed is the jerky throttle response. Coober have had long discussions with CFMOTO engineers and they are not interested in adressing it at all because it means recalls and money lost. There are many people out there reflashing ECU's but from the feedback I see I only masks the problem. I'll be trying throttle cams by K360 to see if it helps. I dare say the next model will probably have this fixed along with fly by wire throttle and many other fixes such as water pooling up inside brackets. This to me is definately a heavy bike and in no way is it a dirt bike like a WR, so comparing it lis ike comparing a 4x4 Nissan Patrol to a Suburu Outlander. IMO P.S. Thanks for the video guys, nice editing.
Thanks. Great info on the jerky throttle. The bike isn't so powerful, so I guess you can ride around it. A lot of modern bikes have similar problems. I think it has to do with how lean they need to run at closed throttle for emissions. People started complaining about jerky throttles about the time emissions got strict.
It's been addressed with an update, that information is all over youtube, also there are video's showing how to adjust the throttle itself, these are very easy fixes........ In my country these bikes are selling faster than they can be stocked, there are 10'000 mile reviews and a lot less whining about easily fixed problems....
My CF Moto 300NK 2022 has the same issue with jerky throttle. Actually, when you try to slowly rotate accelerator in neutral, rpm abruptly jump from ~1400 idle up to ~2700, and then it goes smoothly. With gear engaged, it is the same, I have to smoothen it with the clutch while driving in slow traffic.
I have one on order, and I have worked on power sports products for 40 years. What I would do to try and fix the jerky throttle is slightly advance the TPS sensor until you hear the idle slightly increase. Then tighten the screws and try it. I have fixed other products this way. The dealers will not do this.
Both of us rode it and when you hit the rocks, it’s really all over the place. Definitely not rider. As long as the track is smooth and flowing, the suspension does really well.
6:49 Sorry but these are NOT the stock crashbars. These are aftermarket parts that looks like stock but actually they are made by a chinese company called M.BR. The original crashbars have a parts list #6AQV-801000-6001and you should only use them imo. Souce: I own one of these.
I have some dirt bike exp, zero road exp, and im looking at getting one of these. I haven't had a bike in about 15 years and plan to do 50/50 road and dirt. would this be a good bike for someone to start on in this way?
You were supplied a bike with the high fender, this is not how they are sold in all the reviews I've watched and seen in advertisements. So bagging the radiator protection is not warranted. Saying that you will need to add protection if you spec the high fender would be a more correct observation.
Looking it up, I do see that someone photos show high and some show low fenders. This is the only one I've been near, so i didn't know. But regardless, if they're going to ship them with a high fender, seems like they should offer better radiator guards too.
@@motoskillsfactory If they sell the high fender as an option, then it would be nice of them to sell the radiator guard as an option. There are companies that do make the radiator guards for this bike. B&B Offroad being one of them. But I speculate the current cheap plastic guard is part of the process to keep the price down.
well honda is honda.you can take more money back if you sell it comparing to cf moto ofc.but.. honda is not a adv bike like mt450 honda moving better at street and at city honda have better engine,better gear box cf moto is bigger,taller,way more beautiful(imo) cb500 have better breaks also. personally i will go for mt450 becuase soon i will buy it.i considering also the new nx500 but i changed my mind because it feels a very boring bike and it is
You can change the gearing easily. I think having a 21 inch front wheel and doing off-road is what sets this bike apart from the BMW G130GS and KTM 390 Adventure. I think there are a lot of options with 17 and 19 inch front wheels and not so many with 21s.
Depends on what you want to do. the MT800 is 231 kg and has a 19 inch front. Do you want a road bike to do occasional gravel roads or a small adv capable off-road, sacrificing on-road power and comfort. We're supposed to be riding the 800 in about six months or so. It's a bit slow to arrive here.
You're right, it is a direct competitor. There's no official Royal Enfield distributor in Taiwan where we are located and when they're brought in, they're insanely expensive. I don't think any of the new Himalayans have made it into the country. With the ADV market falling apart this year, I don't expect any to be brought in either.
Are you telling me that it is not going to be as comfortable as a Goldwing nor it is going to be as maneuverable as a 300 2 strokes ? Than it is garbage !
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Great vlog lads what you say is spot on the only thing that pisses me off is the throttle there is a up grade for ecu when it gets to uk don’t know and it’s not cheap it’s value for money carry on
I'd seriously consider one of these. I'm not as young and strong as I was so think this would be the most likely upgrade for me. Currently riding a sub 200cc farm bike which will do the speed limit here.
Had mine for 4 months now and have 7500 klms on it in australian mostly dirt running like a train so far
Hi mate, I pick mine up tomorrow from "Trooperlu's" at Moorebank, Sydney and am looking forward to giving the "mild" off road a go. I have upper and lower crash bars, B+B sumpguard, barkbusters etc. Did you ever do the air intake modification that I have seen can't remember but an aussie company have the gear to do it.
@glennmorrissey2529 you won't regret it make great bike if you use it for what it is designed for . Looks like your in Sydney then if you ever looking to do some rides together let me no as much as i like riding on my own always good to join other people sometimes cheers enjoy
CF Moto has used this same motor in other models for over 2 years, no reports that the motor has had any concerning issues. With the popularity of this bike and global sales so high, parts availability appears to be a longer wait - noted when wanting to purchase genuine accessories, including crash bars, high seat, taller windscreen. IMO, you need the taller windscreen for highway riding if you get the higher seat. Heavy duty bash plate is a must if you plan any serios off-roading.
Where did you get ur upgraded bash plate?
Aftermarket parts for those in Taiwan - Shoppee - has a huge range for them!! We are also looking into developing parts too 🤫
I was one of the first to get this bike in Medellin CO. So a lot of the problems I had with the bike could have been in set-up bcs they had only done 3 or 5 before mine. The suspension was set up super hard and combined with the twitchiness of the throttle was crazy and felt a little dangerous on tarmac. The smallest crack would reverberate to hands and then the twitchyness would light up and it would take a moment or 2 to settle it down. I tracked it down to suspension and was able to calm it down quite a bit. But in the owners manual it says seat can be lowered and shows you the exact hole in the back that would lower it about another inch. Again at that time new here. This city can have a steep hill with stop sign or light and be slanted sideways as well. While I could get both my feet down to most of the ball of both feet. It just wasn't sfe enough here. Off road you can hit that situation too. But not have a stop sign or light. They wouldn't do it. My son 18 and a rider too. Begged me to let him drive it but because of the snatchyness of throttle I just couldn't let him ride it and feel good about it. I let him drive fmy 950 for short distances. Just didnt feel safe. Again I think bcs it was one of the very first ones sold here more than likely. So I ended up selling it with less than 500 km on it. Kind of took it in the shorts. but that was my fault. Hopefully with all these newer small mid size bike there will be a good fit. I went to the CFMoto shop the other day and they have a new 800 MTX coming out. Has the KTM 790 motor and the lower fuel storage and more play in suspension. A bit more expensive. Unfortunately we get hit with a 30% tariff here. Great vid you hit most of my concerns except how in the manual they have a full page dedicated to lowering. I need to ask next time i'm at shop.
I purchased this bike 2 months ago, sadly it ain't cheap compared to your country, I paid little bit over $10.000, but I satisfied with the bike it feels light, handling were excelent and the power were enough
To all RUclips testers , take bike out on a off road trail on your own , drop bike on a hill , or in a river crossing , show us how possible a 195kg bike can be lifted whilst in boots and jacket ,
Any bike is easy to ride once moving …it’s all about being able to lift up a dropped bike or manoeuvre a bike from a narrow single trail dead end .
Cheers
One of the reasons I keep hesitating about buying the CF as I do ride on my own. My little XT250 is easy to pick up and I fall off pretty regularly as the green lanes in the U.K. are relatively short, often muddy and usually contain a small element of something slightly technical. If we had long off road stretches which are more like gravel forest roads, it would be a no brainer. I’ve had the XT on top of me a couple of times where it’s pinning me against a wall, or bank and though it only weights 130Kg, which I can dead lift in the gym as a warm up, when it’s on top it’s hard to get out from under it. If the CF remains upright it’s fine, but I know I’m going down at some point.
That was a loaner bike, so we’re not dropping it because we want them to loan us bikes in the future. But if you’re really worried about that, then maybe a dual sport is for you. I wouldn’t take the MT450 through any of the river crossings near me. And I’ve done 30 km in a hectic riverbed alone on my WR450. We’ll be coming out with a dual sports vs MT450 video soon. Subscribe if you want to see that one!
@ I wish it was that easy. In the UK it is definitely a compromise. A dual sport is purgatory to ride to the trails, particularly winter/spring. Great when you get there. What we really want to know is if the MT can be picked up by a relative novice on his own. Your experience that you’d use the WR in the conditions where you’re more likely to drop the bike is revealing. At least that tells us what we needed to know - it isn’t going to be ideal.
@@nockianlifter661 spot on mate…and its something all you tube reviewers tap dance around…they show these 195kg bikes revelling in conditions where a Versys650 could go…they never show themselves stalling and dropping the bike and then picking the bike up alone…a CRF 300 Rally is 152kg and is on the cusp of the maximum ideal weight.
Lots of people compare it to being a little T7 and say this is too heavy. The real test is to lay both bikes down and see how easy they are to lift. Actually place a scale under the bars to see the weight at the bars. Because it is all about weight distribution and leverage. I believe they will see where the real difference is and that it is not the weight, but the weight distribution.
You don’t need a bike at all. You WANT one! Buying the one you need smells like a buying another one within a year.
It took me years to understand this. From several 'sensible do everything bikes' to a ninja1000sx just because, for once, i followed that instinct and couldnt be happier. Saying that, the cf450mt looks mint if that is what you are after
Exactly what I did I bought a quad and next year I bought a cruiser and the next year about a dual sport and next year I might buy a dirt bike yet
The elephant in the room when this bike gets reviewed is the jerky throttle response. Coober have had long discussions with CFMOTO engineers and they are not interested in adressing it at all because it means recalls and money lost. There are many people out there reflashing ECU's but from the feedback I see I only masks the problem. I'll be trying throttle cams by K360 to see if it helps. I dare say the next model will probably have this fixed along with fly by wire throttle and many other fixes such as water pooling up inside brackets. This to me is definately a heavy bike and in no way is it a dirt bike like a WR, so comparing it lis ike comparing a 4x4 Nissan Patrol to a Suburu Outlander. IMO P.S. Thanks for the video guys, nice editing.
Thanks. Great info on the jerky throttle. The bike isn't so powerful, so I guess you can ride around it. A lot of modern bikes have similar problems. I think it has to do with how lean they need to run at closed throttle for emissions. People started complaining about jerky throttles about the time emissions got strict.
It's been addressed with an update, that information is all over youtube, also there are video's showing how to adjust the throttle itself, these are very easy fixes........ In my country these bikes are selling faster than they can be stocked, there are 10'000 mile reviews and a lot less whining about easily fixed problems....
@@MickH60yeah nah, doesn’t fix it for everyone I’m afraid. It’s just a software tweak.
My CF Moto 300NK 2022 has the same issue with jerky throttle. Actually, when you try to slowly rotate accelerator in neutral, rpm abruptly jump from ~1400 idle up to ~2700, and then it goes smoothly. With gear engaged, it is the same, I have to smoothen it with the clutch while driving in slow traffic.
I have one on order, and I have worked on power sports products for 40 years. What I would do to try and fix the jerky throttle is slightly advance the TPS sensor until you hear the idle slightly increase. Then tighten the screws and try it. I have fixed other products this way. The dealers will not do this.
Hello, nice report, can you tell me what changes you made to the suspension and damping?
We backed off the compression and rebound so it’s more compliant for off-road riding. The adjustment from factory was pretty harsh.
... there is a software update available what makes the throttle control much smoother ... 🙂
I rode with a friend I had a saddle type seat , his 750 triple Yamaha had a flat seat he got saddle sores .
Maybe swap rider and do the same climb where the 450MT struggles?
Both of us rode it and when you hit the rocks, it’s really all over the place. Definitely not rider. As long as the track is smooth and flowing, the suspension does really well.
6:49 Sorry but these are NOT the stock crashbars. These are aftermarket parts that looks like stock but actually they are made by a chinese company called M.BR. The original crashbars have a parts list #6AQV-801000-6001and you should only use them imo.
Souce: I own one of these.
Noted. The dealer gave us the bike with those bars, so we assumed they were the OE ones.
Nice review, I love my 450mt. But what's with those huge licence plates in your country? So big and ugly!
Thanks. Yeah, bikes over 550 cc also need a front plate. Ridiculous.
I have some dirt bike exp, zero road exp, and im looking at getting one of these. I haven't had a bike in about 15 years and plan to do 50/50 road and dirt. would this be a good bike for someone to start on in this way?
You were supplied a bike with the high fender, this is not how they are sold in all the reviews I've watched and seen in advertisements. So bagging the radiator protection is not warranted. Saying that you will need to add protection if you spec the high fender would be a more correct observation.
Looking it up, I do see that someone photos show high and some show low fenders. This is the only one I've been near, so i didn't know. But regardless, if they're going to ship them with a high fender, seems like they should offer better radiator guards too.
@@motoskillsfactory If they sell the high fender as an option, then it would be nice of them to sell the radiator guard as an option. There are companies that do make the radiator guards for this bike. B&B Offroad being one of them.
But I speculate the current cheap plastic guard is part of the process to keep the price down.
Wr has 300mm travel vs 200mm
Ciao come risolvere on off acceleratore???? Grazie
Someone mentioned there’s an ECU upgrade that can be done. I guess it’s aftermarket, but I don’t know.
There's an over the phone software update. Also, tighten the throttle cables. Lastly, the more kilometers you put, the better it gets.
I hope it feels lighter than the 411 scram
Which bike is the better choice of the mt450 and Honda cb500x ?
well honda is honda.you can take more money back if you sell it comparing to cf moto ofc.but..
honda is not a adv bike like mt450
honda moving better at street and at city
honda have better engine,better gear box
cf moto is bigger,taller,way more beautiful(imo)
cb500 have better breaks also.
personally i will go for mt450 becuase soon i will buy it.i considering also the new nx500 but i changed my mind because it feels a very boring bike and it is
I wish there'll be 17-19 inches wheels & taller gearing version of this bike
You can change the gearing easily. I think having a 21 inch front wheel and doing off-road is what sets this bike apart from the BMW G130GS and KTM 390 Adventure. I think there are a lot of options with 17 and 19 inch front wheels and not so many with 21s.
My friends I am having an issue...should I buy cf mt 450 or the cf mtx 800, what would you choose?
Do you need almost 400 cc more for trails?
Depends on what you want to do. the MT800 is 231 kg and has a 19 inch front. Do you want a road bike to do occasional gravel roads or a small adv capable off-road, sacrificing on-road power and comfort. We're supposed to be riding the 800 in about six months or so. It's a bit slow to arrive here.
@@motoskillsfactory MTX 800, not 800MT. Has 21 front and 18 rear. Is a diferent bike.
Surprised there was no mention of the Himalayan 452 which appears to be a direct competitor.
You're right, it is a direct competitor. There's no official Royal Enfield distributor in Taiwan where we are located and when they're brought in, they're insanely expensive. I don't think any of the new Himalayans have made it into the country. With the ADV market falling apart this year, I don't expect any to be brought in either.
How can u compare a 450cc to anything over a 450cc, and again ur comparing this awesome bike to enduros, to dirt bikes come on guys.
'You know?!'... If I earned 1€ for each 'you know' I would be fkn rich!!! You know?...
Are you telling me that it is not going to be as comfortable as a Goldwing nor it is going to be as maneuverable as a 300 2 strokes ? Than it is garbage !