Hi everyone, part number for front sprocket is. Genuine CFMOTO part SKU: 0700-062030 is a perfect fit for the 450MT. vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005006037156549.html I also found genuine Cfmoto sprocket on unclewang site for about $15 au. Just google their site.
Thank you very much for your video. It helped me decide to install a 15-tooth front sprocket. However, the front sprocket you show at the end of the video is a 565 pitch, I think. And the stock front sprocket seems to be a 520 pitch. Or at least that’s what it says on the rear wheel sprocket. I have installed it, and now I seem to have a strange noise coming from the front sprocket area. Do you know what it could be? Thanks!!!!!!! 🙌
Perfect, you're absolutely right. I installed the same one as the one in your video. I thought that in the reference that is written on the sprocket itself, 565, it was the chain pitch, but I have already seen that it is not... What a step is 520! Thank you very much, I'm going to look now that it sounds like my weed, which is very slight and maybe it's a normal noise, but before I hadn't noticed. Best regards!
Thanks again Bazz! Just one quick math... 15/47 and 14/47 result in 3.357 and 3.133, respectively. If the 14 sprocket at given speed corresponds to 6000rpm, the 15 one must correspond to 5600, based on the above ratios... G'day from Italy!
You're right, but actually 15/47 and 14/47 result in 3.133 and 3.357 ratios respectively, not the other way. Also these ratio increase and decreases are proportional to the tork on the wheel and inversely proportional to the wheel speed. Since the power is simply tork multiplied by rpm, power on the wheel doesn't change. But one must keep in mind that with great speed comes great friction, especially air friction (speed squared) on high speeds. G'day from Turkiye!
Ohh ho hohohoo.... This is one of the first things I would've done to my bike if i could buy a 450MT right now, i did this on my Versys x300, it made 1st gear usable at off road, 2nd gear got much better, much longer, it's a nice change, and the cruising speed improved. Thank you for documenting these tests 😁😁 it feels specifically targeted for people like me, potential buyers.
Thank you I'm glad it helped, I hate it when people start talking maths calculations. I like to see things in the real world. Every bike I have had has gone through several gearing changes.
@@bazz6670 Facts, i agree, also, i hate when people only consider the behaviour of any bike based on everything stock,for example, seat comfort and gearing can be adjusted for very cheap, that can turn a harsh ish bike to ride, into a perfectly capable cruiser.
Something I like about my old Vstrom 650 is that the speedometer is based on the wheels, not the transmission. So when I did a gearing change on it, the speedo stayed the same, but it showed higher revs (I went shorter for more acceleration). I LOVE never having to mess with or worry about speedo accuracy aside from tire changes. Another benefit to the way I did it (much larger rear sprocket) is that when I want to go back to stock gearing, all I have to change is the front sprocket from stock 15t to a bigger 17t.
@@bazz6670 Yeah I noticed that later in the video. If you ever get a Vstrom 650 again, I 100% recommend 15/52 gearing with a 520 chain conversion. It'll fit under the stock chain guard and you can safely use 14-18 tooth fronts without having any same tooth wear issues. 17/52 will return it to stock gearing but with better leverage. Plus big sprockets look cool.
boas, em Portugal vi feito pelo blog do Faria Dias, ele colocou com 16 dentes e baixou 1000rpm, o que ficou bom para quem faz menos off-road, e obrigado pela partilha.👌
Great informative video about the differences of the two sprockets. Also, thank you for including the installation process! Lot of us DIYers will really appreciate that. Have a good one!
you make really interesting content with your 450mt, thanks for the data! I probably need to change the spocket for it to chill on the Autobahn here in Germany.
Weil die CF Moto leider nicht das zulässige Leistungs/Gewichts-Verhältnis ausschöpft, habe ich mich für die Brixton Crossfire 500 AC entschieden (486ccm und 48 PS). Der Motor ist einfach souveräner.
@@bazz6670I own a BMW F 650 GS. When your Crusing Speed is between 120 and 130 km/h ,it is ok for the most Adventure Bikers here.And you also don't reach the rev Limiter then😊
I think it has a 48 on the rear . You could easily drop to a 44 or 42 on the rear & invest in a desent oring chain . If you're doing alot of highway touring
I would take that sprocket off after about 2-3k km just to inspect the wear of countershaft splines. The material of new sprocket might be different and its now "harder" for countershaft to move the chain, lever from countershaft to chain is longer so more force is needed. You will probably be fine,just inspect it after a while, not an easy job countershaft replacement. Very nice bike though, good on you for making all these vids for us.
I've been riding for over 40 years, worked in bikes shops and been around motorcycle racing for years, The only worn countershafts I've ever seen were from people who should never be allowed to work on motorcycles, the gearing change won't hurt it at all....
Hi Bazz, Thanks for taking the extra time and effort for making this video. I think everyone will change the gearing. I'm curious to see in future if someone keeps the 14 tooth up front and drops 1-2 to 45-46 at the rear as a bit compromise to ensure suitable gearing for off road use. Time will tell.... Thanks again Bazz
@@bazz6670 make a video of this for your fellow MTers 🤙 The rubber plugs inside the swingarm should be checked for sealing & making sure water doesn’t get in if doing river crossings & wet weather rides
@@stevesanelli90 good stuff blokes....i've just ordered the 450MT so reading through this has helped me prepare it as soon as i get it home....have you checked the grease situation in the linkage bearings and headstem bearings? most new bikes are what i would classify as being on the dry side and this is not good for bearing life...especially in the costly region of the linkage bearings.
@@stevesanelli90 an easy, stress free afternoon in the shed with some music and a few beverages should see the job done; and as you say, you get to know the bike while doing it; trust me, i've seen brand new bikes with hardly any grease where it needs to be and it is not part of a dealers pre-delivery routine; a bit of time, effort and grease go a long way to saving problems and money down the track.
Great video You should try the other dash display mode. I find it easier to do rev checks like you're doing as its more conventional, plus there's a bit more into displayed on it. Oh and your bike should have come with a maintenance guide which has all the torque settings written in the rear of it
Thanks for commenting, I don't really notice any loss, I think it revved out a bit quick before. Probably will get more top end but not much it just cruises nicer. Fuel economy seemed to be the same I used just over 4 ltr over a mixed terain of dirt and road lots of twisties.
Hi there, you do not lose any torque from changing gearing. It does NOT change the motors output. Depending on how many gear changes needed acceleration might actually be fast to a given point. The 450MT is very short geared.
😊@@twowheelpilot obviously you do not lose the torque and the power from the motor itself, however the transmission unit changes its way to deliver the power to the rear wheel; by changing the front sprocket with a bigger sprocket the motor has a disadvantage with the delivery of power and torque itself
I did very similar thing with my old 94' Transalp 400 /yes, there is 400 version/ back in the day.. Some 20 years ago. From a 15 to a 16 and the revs on the 16 where 5000 for 100 kph indicated .. There was no gps back then /or they where luxury/ .. Torqie v-twin engine.. 37 hp .. Overall very similar specs to the new 450 MT, the MT is lighter too. Thinking of getting one.
Nice! It will be interesting to see how you like that gearing off road, looks better for on road. I was surprised to find myself in 5th gear a lot at 60kph when I rode your bike.
Thanks for the information. I'm quite curious about the mt450. Presently on a cb500x and it does about 5000 RPMs at 100kpm or about about 55 00 or 5,600 at 70 mph. With stock gearing. Ps. My GPS says that the Honda is spot on the miles per hour
I did look at the cbx a while ago it is a nice bike. I like doing more off-road stuff and the cbx would need a lot of upgrades such as suspension and it still has a 19 inch front wheel. 450mt has everything already and I love the twin in it. Very smooth.
Hi Bazz! Thanks a lot for the video, very useful for 450MT owners! Especially during the break-in period, it is recommended for everyone to replace the sprocket. The user manual recommends max 4000 rpm for 0-500 km, then 6000 rpm for 500-1000 km. With a standard gear ratio the first 500 km (4000 rpm) are cca. 70 km/h in 6th gear. This is a very tedious and long trip, it requires a lot of self-discipline. Your sprocket replacement can help everyone get through this period, if one respects a freshly rebuilt mechanical. My question: do you think the 16 tooth sprocket will fit? So is there enough space around the output shaft? Also would the chain and rear axle allow that much more forward on the rear wheel?
Thank you for a great comment 👍. It may fit but might be getting a bit close to other parts, if you look back at the video to the sprocket on bike and zoom in if your on your phone or tablet you can see how much room there is. If I change ratios again it will be at the rear sprocket. Cheers I hope that helps.
Very interesting Video. How many rpm do you have now in 120-130 km/h. This is very important because it is a very good speed for traveling. Please let us know.
i gained like +5kmh speed with Michelin Anakee wild 90/90 r21 front 140/80 r18 rear i mean from 6th 6000rpm 102kmh to 107kmh same gear same rpm same spot. Saw at the end your video you took like 107kmh at 6000rpm 6th gear like me 😂 so is enought to change rear tyre /70 to /80
Si montas neumático trasero de altura 80 baja unas 400rpm que con un piñón de 15 o 16 muy bien, con otro escape más 5cv y una centralita de las mt de latinoamerica 50cv
Could also make the rear larger sprocket smaller. 2 or 3 teeth same effect as 1 in the front. Or do both ☺, chain would still sit the same practically, so the wheel will not move forward (more twitchy at high speed)
thianks for the info was wondering where the bike tracks its speed if changing to 15teeth would give off false reading that might cause issue with the highway patrol or something
Hey Bazz, New subscriber here with a Blue 450MT just ordered. Thanks for the interesting vids. Curious why the default option appears to change the front up to 15 and not reduce the rear x2 to 45. A 14-45 option should allow for better chain wear as its not divisible. Thoughts?
Thanks for the video. Would you mind telling me how you feel about the stability of the bike at motorway speeds? Looking at the mt450 as my winter commuter bike but felt it was a little shakey above 120kmph in the short test ride i got.
if the speed is read on the wheel, like on my nx500, sprocket change didnt affect speedometer error, this happened because my nx500 has traction controll so HAD to read speed at the wheel, meanwhile my previous motorcycle had speed read at gearbox output, so from 14 to 15t front sprocket, speedometer error went from 10 to 2.5% and measured distance got 7% shorter
Thanks for watching, if you have a look at the end of vid I have a picture of the receipt. If you can't read it get back to me and I'll send details. Cheers
Hello, I would like to take the motorcycle to 120 km/h at about 5500 rpm. What did I think the combination of pine nuts would be? thank you very much for your video.
Hi Bazz, do you mind telling us where you bought the 15T sprocket from. The JT branded sprockets are infamous for being not suitable for the 450MT and there's some play when you put it in. I worry it's going to put premature wear on the axle.
great comment..as i was watching this i started thinking about what rear sprockets are available/interchangeable; did you change the rear teeth number as well?
How mate how are you finding the throttle twitch now, mines better on my CL-c but finding out about throttle tamers. It seems more an efi issue than just CF Moto thing, throttle tamers might be the go.
@@bazz6670 there’s a cheaper plastic version if you google around $30, might be worth a try just not sure what will fit our bikes. I’m guessing my CLc and your bike will have similar throttle controls surely, definitely want to try on mine as I find around town at low speeds is when it rares its head but over 60ks it’s fine.
Thank you I'm glad the video helped you, $ 50 au. It is pretty expensive, actually. It may be because it's a cush drive sprocket. Plain steel are cheaper.
@@bazz6670 so you think it will have still plenty of torque but it will benefit with a higher top speed? What about the gear ratio of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear? Can you show us? Thanks in advance
I’d be taking it off and checking the amount of play on the shaft. I just received the same sprocket and there is way too much free play. I’ve done a video of it and posted it on the face book group if you want to have a look.
@@bazz6670 I noticed in your video that you placed the chain in the new sprocket first then mounted it on the shaft. Doing it that way it may not show the play I’m talking about. You need to take the sprocket and chain off and just place the sprocket on the shaft. Then you’ll see if you have too much play in the shaft line I have. All the best.
the countershaft sprockets will always have a bit of free play; if they don't, they will rust/weld together; do you have just a small bit of freeplay or is it excessive?
It had excessive play mate. I have a video on the facebook group to show the difference between std and the aftermarket sprocket. No way it is the correct sprocket for this bike.
@@dwlee67 ah ok; thanks for the reply; i wasn't doubting you i just wanted to clarify it with you; some people have more experience than others when it comes to tinkering with bikes; i don't do facebook or any of that stuff; question: did you use the same part as Baz or a different brand? JT sprockets are usually good stuff.
less gear changes is always better so being able to stay in one (any) gear for longer is always not only smoother but also faster; the only situation it might effect is taking off from stand-still on steep hills.
i have a dumb question most likely, if you change gear ratio on a motorcycle, you alter relation between RPM and speed... so, wont it make speedometer to be incorrect?
Hi, I am 180 cm, 84 kg. I find the bike feel light to me and nimble. Easy to push around. It's not enduro bike lite but holds the wieght down low. Cheers .
@@bazz6670 that is super helpful. We're basically around the same height haha and weight. You'll be a good example for me then. I'm really thinking about getting this as a first bike.
@brianlennan7237 yep it does down low, not sure of a fix at this stage athough I read a post about a guy who put on the DNA filter with a bigger air flow cover. I remember him saying it helped and sounded throaty.
Hey there, great video, It would be nice if you try to take to top speed with 15th and then change it to 16th. I want to know what the cruising speed limit. I would bet you can cruise much better a 120km/h with a 16. Let me know if you can do it. I will definitely subscribe.
It's a bit hard to try top speed here , we have at the highest 110 kmh speed limit. I know everyone asks about 16 front but I would rather lower rear sprocket. My friend will be trying a 45 rear soon with 15 front and I will see what results he gets. Cheers
@@bazz6670 wow....14/47 is a strange combination....so rule of thumb is a change of one tooth at front is equal to three at rear; going to 15 at front same as 14/44; your friend going to 15/45 would be same as 14/42 or 14/41.....that will make the bike much faster if the torque can hold the extra load; big question is, will the bike still be able to pull away cleanly from a standstill on steep hills or will the clutch get a real workout?
Front gives more change per tooth and is cheaper. Saying that my friend has 15 front and will be trying a 45 rear . We will see soon how it goes. Cheers
Yes it would be a pleasure to review your Air Pump. It just so happens i have been looking for a portable Air Pump to carry on my Bike. I can be reached at bazz66advrides@gmail.com
@@bazz6670 In factory settings, the drivers are describing a lot of vibration at higher speeds (100-150). When compared with your changes, did you notice any decrease on vibrations and increased stability?
Hi everyone, part number for front sprocket is. Genuine CFMOTO part SKU: 0700-062030 is a perfect fit for the 450MT.
vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005006037156549.html
I also found genuine Cfmoto sprocket on unclewang site for about $15 au. Just google their site.
Thank you very much for your video. It helped me decide to install a 15-tooth front sprocket. However, the front sprocket you show at the end of the video is a 565 pitch, I think. And the stock front sprocket seems to be a 520 pitch. Or at least that’s what it says on the rear wheel sprocket. I have installed it, and now I seem to have a strange noise coming from the front sprocket area. Do you know what it could be? Thanks!!!!!!! 🙌
@mariomr3767 front sprocket is a 520 pitch. Have you got sprocket rite way round .
Perfect, you're absolutely right. I installed the same one as the one in your video. I thought that in the reference that is written on the sprocket itself, 565, it was the chain pitch, but I have already seen that it is not... What a step is 520! Thank you very much, I'm going to look now that it sounds like my weed, which is very slight and maybe it's a normal noise, but before I hadn't noticed. Best regards!
Thanks again Bazz!
Just one quick math... 15/47 and 14/47 result in 3.357 and 3.133, respectively.
If the 14 sprocket at given speed corresponds to 6000rpm, the 15 one must correspond to 5600, based on the above ratios...
G'day from Italy!
Thank you , it is definitely nicer on the hwy. Hi to everyone in Italy.
You're right, but actually 15/47 and 14/47 result in 3.133 and 3.357 ratios respectively, not the other way.
Also these ratio increase and decreases are proportional to the tork on the wheel and inversely proportional to the wheel speed.
Since the power is simply tork multiplied by rpm, power on the wheel doesn't change.
But one must keep in mind that with great speed comes great friction, especially air friction (speed squared) on high speeds.
G'day from Turkiye!
The most useful video about this bike so far. Thanks a lot mate!
Thanks for a great comment 👍 glad it helped
I just did this, what a difference. Your video made things super easy too, thanks.
@davw495 Thanks, I'm glad the video helped. I find also now I have bigger profile tyres it dropped rpm to about 5200 rpm at 100 kmh.
Ohh ho hohohoo.... This is one of the first things I would've done to my bike if i could buy a 450MT right now, i did this on my Versys x300, it made 1st gear usable at off road, 2nd gear got much better, much longer, it's a nice change, and the cruising speed improved.
Thank you for documenting these tests 😁😁 it feels specifically targeted for people like me, potential buyers.
Thank you I'm glad it helped, I hate it when people start talking maths calculations. I like to see things in the real world. Every bike I have had has gone through several gearing changes.
@@bazz6670 Facts, i agree, also, i hate when people only consider the behaviour of any bike based on everything stock,for example, seat comfort and gearing can be adjusted for very cheap, that can turn a harsh ish bike to ride, into a perfectly capable cruiser.
Thanks Bazza, sounds like it will improve the 450MT. Little tweaks here and there and you are tuning the bike to perfection.
Cheers mate I think I have the bike mostly sorted now . Pretty happy with it.
Something I like about my old Vstrom 650 is that the speedometer is based on the wheels, not the transmission. So when I did a gearing change on it, the speedo stayed the same, but it showed higher revs (I went shorter for more acceleration). I LOVE never having to mess with or worry about speedo accuracy aside from tire changes. Another benefit to the way I did it (much larger rear sprocket) is that when I want to go back to stock gearing, all I have to change is the front sprocket from stock 15t to a bigger 17t.
Yes easier to put bigger front on vstrom. When I had mine I kept it stock. Changing sprocket didn't change the speedo when I compared with gps.
@@bazz6670 Yeah I noticed that later in the video. If you ever get a Vstrom 650 again, I 100% recommend 15/52 gearing with a 520 chain conversion. It'll fit under the stock chain guard and you can safely use 14-18 tooth fronts without having any same tooth wear issues. 17/52 will return it to stock gearing but with better leverage. Plus big sprockets look cool.
@Drunken_Hamster I've said it many times but I think this might be my last bike 😆, still have a tiger 800 and dr650
boas, em Portugal vi feito pelo blog do Faria Dias, ele colocou com 16 dentes e baixou 1000rpm, o que ficou bom para quem faz menos off-road, e obrigado pela partilha.👌
does it fit ?! could you please share the link ?
I'm trying find the link and put were, but honestly I thing in my opinion is better change on the rear.
ruclips.net/video/SGEKMQd-rJo/видео.htmlsi=EsbjPI6eNzMYfmop
Great informative video about the differences of the two sprockets. Also, thank you for including the installation process! Lot of us DIYers will really appreciate that. Have a good one!
@jamesnadua7649 cheers mate I'm glad the video helped.
I think that's a great upgrade! I'm my test ride I thought the same, it's a must have, it will improve on road and off road performance!
Thanks mate, I like it . Cruises nice . I don't think economy increased surprisingly. I'll keep it like that.
you make really interesting content with your 450mt, thanks for the data! I probably need to change the spocket for it to chill on the Autobahn here in Germany.
Thanks for the great comment. I've seen the speeds you guys do. Do you think bike will be fast enough 🤔
Weil die CF Moto leider nicht das zulässige Leistungs/Gewichts-Verhältnis ausschöpft, habe ich mich für die Brixton Crossfire 500 AC entschieden (486ccm und 48 PS). Der Motor ist einfach souveräner.
@@bazz6670I own a BMW F 650 GS. When your Crusing Speed is between 120 and 130 km/h ,it is ok for the most Adventure Bikers here.And you also don't reach the rev Limiter then😊
Thanks Bazz, very interesting and I thoroughly enjoy you videos on how to .
I think it has a 48 on the rear . You could easily drop to a 44 or 42 on the rear & invest in a desent oring chain . If you're doing alot of highway touring
I would take that sprocket off after about 2-3k km just to inspect the wear of countershaft splines. The material of new sprocket might be different and its now "harder" for countershaft to move the chain, lever from countershaft to chain is longer so more force is needed. You will probably be fine,just inspect it after a while, not an easy job countershaft replacement. Very nice bike though, good on you for making all these vids for us.
Thanks for commenting, good idea, it may need a new chain by then we will see.
@@bazz6670 Did you inspect the wear of countershaft splines?Thanks
I've been riding for over 40 years, worked in bikes shops and been around motorcycle racing for years, The only worn countershafts I've ever seen were from people who should never be allowed to work on motorcycles, the gearing change won't hurt it at all....
Thanks for the video; it also shows that a center stand will be my first addition :) Biggers sprockets also help chain life.
@@Davran2742 centre stand definitely would be handy.
Well done. I was curious how a front sprocket change would affect the top end. Thank you for the good info.
Hi Bazz,
Thanks for taking the extra time and effort for making this video. I think everyone will change the gearing. I'm curious to see in future if someone keeps the 14 tooth up front and drops 1-2 to 45-46 at the rear as a bit compromise to ensure suitable gearing for off road use. Time will tell....
Thanks again Bazz
@adrianwhite7251 Thanks for watching and commenting, you could easily do it that way. Front sprocket is just cheaper.
the more videos i see .... the more i want that bike ... gosh its so cool, thanks for sharing - cant wait to get mine
@death3443 Thanks mate, I'm sure you will love the bike.
Thank you for sharing. Take care, sir!
Thank you, I'm glad you liked the vid.
Great video Bazza. Make sure you apply anti-seize through the chain adjuster bolt threads inside the swingarm.
Thanks for the tip I'll make a note to myself. I have some in the shed .
@@bazz6670 make a video of this for your fellow MTers 🤙 The rubber plugs inside the swingarm should be checked for sealing & making sure water doesn’t get in if doing river crossings & wet weather rides
@@stevesanelli90 good stuff blokes....i've just ordered the 450MT so reading through this has helped me prepare it as soon as i get it home....have you checked the grease situation in the linkage bearings and headstem bearings? most new bikes are what i would classify as being on the dry side and this is not good for bearing life...especially in the costly region of the linkage bearings.
@@markhills3922 very good idea! But, this requires a decent stripping down. Best way to understand the guts of the bike though.🤙
@@stevesanelli90 an easy, stress free afternoon in the shed with some music and a few beverages should see the job done; and as you say, you get to know the bike while doing it; trust me, i've seen brand new bikes with hardly any grease where it needs to be and it is not part of a dealers pre-delivery routine; a bit of time, effort and grease go a long way to saving problems and money down the track.
Great video
You should try the other dash display mode. I find it easier to do rev checks like you're doing as its more conventional, plus there's a bit more into displayed on it.
Oh and your bike should have come with a maintenance guide which has all the torque settings written in the rear of it
Thanks for the suggestion. I did have that one at the beginning. Maybe I just didn't see it in the book, I'll have another look. Cheers
Nice one thanks Baz. I hope to be picking mine up on Tuesday
Good stuff, you will love it. Thanks for commenting.
Thank you sir, straight to the point, very useful
So theoretically you lost some torque and acceleration, do you feel it? Should top speed be increased? Fuel mileage should be better as well.
Thanks for commenting, I don't really notice any loss, I think it revved out a bit quick before. Probably will get more top end but not much it just cruises nicer. Fuel economy seemed to be the same I used just over 4 ltr over a mixed terain of dirt and road lots of twisties.
Hi there, you do not lose any torque from changing gearing. It does NOT change the motors output. Depending on how many gear changes needed acceleration might actually be fast to a given point. The 450MT is very short geared.
Thank sooooo much for your comment ! 🙏 i think all people loose their minds ! 🤦
@@twowheelpilot In fact yes, sprockets tunning change tork on the rear wheel guy...
😊@@twowheelpilot obviously you do not lose the torque and the power from the motor itself, however the transmission unit changes its way to deliver the power to the rear wheel; by changing the front sprocket with a bigger sprocket the motor has a disadvantage with the delivery of power and torque itself
I did very similar thing with my old 94' Transalp 400 /yes, there is 400 version/ back in the day.. Some 20 years ago. From a 15 to a 16 and the revs on the 16 where 5000 for 100 kph indicated .. There was no gps back then /or they where luxury/ .. Torqie v-twin engine.. 37 hp .. Overall very similar specs to the new 450 MT, the MT is lighter too. Thinking of getting one.
Wow that's interesting, I do like the transalps, didn't know they made a 400. I'll have to look one up now. Cheers
@@bazz6670 only available in the Japanese market. some were para-imported in europe
Great video Bazz. Ride safe
Thanks for sharing, really awesome data.
Thank you. I'm glad you like it. 👍
Nice! It will be interesting to see how you like that gearing off road, looks better for on road.
I was surprised to find myself in 5th gear a lot at 60kph when I rode your bike.
Thanks Ian, it does cruise nicer at 100 kmh. We better go do some lerderderg to try it lol
Cool little test mate. Stay upright 🙂
Thanks, you too!
Champion
Cheers mate.
Hi. You can install 41 rear sprocket.
Thanks for the information. I'm quite curious about the mt450. Presently on a cb500x and it does about 5000 RPMs at 100kpm or about about 55 00 or 5,600 at 70 mph. With stock gearing. Ps. My GPS says that the Honda is spot on the miles per hour
I did look at the cbx a while ago it is a nice bike. I like doing more off-road stuff and the cbx would need a lot of upgrades such as suspension and it still has a 19 inch front wheel. 450mt has everything already and I love the twin in it. Very smooth.
Hi Bazz! Thanks a lot for the video, very useful for 450MT owners! Especially during the break-in period, it is recommended for everyone to replace the sprocket. The user manual recommends max 4000 rpm for 0-500 km, then 6000 rpm for 500-1000 km. With a standard gear ratio the first 500 km (4000 rpm) are cca. 70 km/h in 6th gear. This is a very tedious and long trip, it requires a lot of self-discipline. Your sprocket replacement can help everyone get through this period, if one respects a freshly rebuilt mechanical. My question: do you think the 16 tooth sprocket will fit? So is there enough space around the output shaft? Also would the chain and rear axle allow that much more forward on the rear wheel?
Thank you for a great comment 👍. It may fit but might be getting a bit close to other parts, if you look back at the video to the sprocket on bike and zoom in if your on your phone or tablet you can see how much room there is. If I change ratios again it will be at the rear sprocket. Cheers I hope that helps.
@@bazz6670 I tried to zoom in on the video, but unfortunately at 3:43 you moved the camera a bit and I can't see it properly. Thanks for the reply!
Very interesting Video. How many rpm do you have now in 120-130 km/h. This is very important because it is a very good speed for traveling. Please let us know.
At 130 it will around 7000 rpm
i gained like +5kmh speed with Michelin Anakee wild 90/90 r21 front 140/80 r18 rear i mean from 6th 6000rpm 102kmh to 107kmh same gear same rpm same spot. Saw at the end your video you took like 107kmh at 6000rpm 6th gear like me 😂 so is enought to change rear tyre /70 to /80
Thank you for that info, when these tyres wear out and get new more aggressive ones like you I will check again. Cheers
Enjoyed the video, thanks for sharing.
Thank you glad you liked it.
Si montas neumático trasero de altura 80 baja unas 400rpm que con un piñón de 15 o 16 muy bien, con otro escape más 5cv y una centralita de las mt de latinoamerica 50cv
Could also make the rear larger sprocket smaller. 2 or 3 teeth same effect as 1 in the front. Or do both ☺, chain would still sit the same practically, so the wheel will not move forward (more twitchy at high speed)
thianks for the info was wondering where the bike tracks its speed if changing to 15teeth would give off false reading that might cause issue with the highway patrol or something
@acegear speedo is still the same. It doesn't read off the wheels.
Hey Bazz,
New subscriber here with a Blue 450MT just ordered. Thanks for the interesting vids.
Curious why the default option appears to change the front up to 15 and not reduce the rear x2 to 45. A 14-45 option should allow for better chain wear as its not divisible.
Thoughts?
Hi sorry for late reply, I guess changing the front is easier and cheaper. you could just do the rear also but may make chain longer.
Thanks for the video. Would you mind telling me how you feel about the stability of the bike at motorway speeds?
Looking at the mt450 as my winter commuter bike but felt it was a little shakey above 120kmph in the short test ride i got.
@exonusgod I find it ok, it can feel a bit twitchy with knobby,s. I've sat on 130 ks but normally I don't go that fast.
@@bazz6670 appreciate your answer! I don't think I've seen anyone riding it with road focused tyres yet.
很棒的改装🎉谢谢评测
Looking forward to seeing fuel eco! That should do a lot with -400 rpm.
Sitting at 100 kmh on hwy avg was saying 3.9. I think it is getting better .
if the speed is read on the wheel, like on my nx500, sprocket change didnt affect speedometer error, this happened because my nx500 has traction controll so HAD to read speed at the wheel, meanwhile my previous motorcycle had speed read at gearbox output, so from 14 to 15t front sprocket, speedometer error went from 10 to 2.5% and measured distance got 7% shorter
Nice! Would be nice to check also highway speeds 120+ kmh
I have done it, but i don't show on video because you never know who's watching. I can say 130 kmh is about 7000 rpm.
Thanks for sharing 👍
Cheers mate,
Nice one mate - after watch this I'm going to do the same for my 450MT. Where'd you get the 15T from?
Thanks for watching, if you have a look at the end of vid I have a picture of the receipt. If you can't read it get back to me and I'll send details. Cheers
@@bazz6670 Legend mate - I missed that.
Thank you.
Great video. Bravo. What size is the rear sprocket?
47
Thanks for that
Hello, I would like to take the motorcycle to 120 km/h at about 5500 rpm. What did I think the combination of pine nuts would be? thank you very much for your video.
Do you happen to have the part number for the larger front sprocket ?
31-214-15rb_2 15 tooth rubber cush front sprocket for 23 24 cfmoto 450sr. I bought mine through rpm moto.
Hi Bazz, do you mind telling us where you bought the 15T sprocket from. The JT branded sprockets are infamous for being not suitable for the 450MT and there's some play when you put it in. I worry it's going to put premature wear on the axle.
@billyandriam vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005006037156549.html
I bought the jt sprocket but will get the original cfmoto one .
@@bazz6670 Thanks Bazz, please update me with the original CFMOTO part for the 15T sprocket once you find it available somewhere.
So for someone like me who would only use the bike for touring the 15 tooth would be beneficial.
@blackshuckthe3rd879 yes, makes it better on the hwy. I also have higher profile tyres, which dropped the rpm a touch.
Yep did it to all my Chinese bikes. Oh, how was 1st gear? Had to clutch more or was the ratio such that it didn't effect?
Probably clutch a tiny bit more . It is just like any other bike taking off but a bit more wind out.
Renthal Rear sprocket 224U-520
great comment..as i was watching this i started thinking about what rear sprockets are available/interchangeable; did you change the rear teeth number as well?
Hi Bazz, did you undo that nut anticlockwise? I am having a hell of a time with mine and starting to overthink everything. Wish me luck
@konraddorfling I'm pretty sure it is counter-clockwise. Impact gun is easiest. Hope you get it sorted, cheers.
@@bazz6670 thank you. Got it sorted - a 600mm breaker bar and my wife on the breaks!
@@konraddorfling good stuff mate
How mate how are you finding the throttle twitch now, mines better on my CL-c but finding out about throttle tamers. It seems more an efi issue than just CF Moto thing, throttle tamers might be the go.
It's not bad bad now just a little holding at lower speeds. Great idea about throttle gamers I hadn't given them a thought. Cheers.
@@bazz6670 there’s a cheaper plastic version if you google around $30, might be worth a try just not sure what will fit our bikes. I’m guessing my CLc and your bike will have similar throttle controls surely, definitely want to try on mine as I find around town at low speeds is when it rares its head but over 60ks it’s fine.
Very nice
Thanks
Thanks for that experiment , i was asking myself "what if" . But why so expensive ? This sprocket cost in Poland is about 12 dollars 😳
Thank you I'm glad the video helped you, $ 50 au. It is pretty expensive, actually. It may be because it's a cush drive sprocket. Plain steel are cheaper.
Brilliant video! What do you think will be the difference in city traffic?
Thanks for watching, not much difference going slow.
@@bazz6670 so you think it will have still plenty of torque but it will benefit with a higher top speed? What about the gear ratio of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear? Can you show us? Thanks in advance
I’d be taking it off and checking the amount of play on the shaft. I just received the same sprocket and there is way too much free play. I’ve done a video of it and posted it on the face book group if you want to have a look.
Cheers for the info, mine seemed OK, but will check .
@@bazz6670 I noticed in your video that you placed the chain in the new sprocket first then mounted it on the shaft. Doing it that way it may not show the play I’m talking about. You need to take the sprocket and chain off and just place the sprocket on the shaft. Then you’ll see if you have too much play in the shaft line I have. All the best.
the countershaft sprockets will always have a bit of free play; if they don't, they will rust/weld together; do you have just a small bit of freeplay or is it excessive?
It had excessive play mate. I have a video on the facebook group to show the difference between std and the aftermarket sprocket. No way it is the correct sprocket for this bike.
@@dwlee67 ah ok; thanks for the reply; i wasn't doubting you i just wanted to clarify it with you; some people have more experience than others when it comes to tinkering with bikes; i don't do facebook or any of that stuff; question: did you use the same part as Baz or a different brand? JT sprockets are usually good stuff.
Is the front sprocket the same fitment as KTM? The rear is.
Not sure but when I put part number in there are many different bikes using same sprocket. Good to know rear is same.
@@bazz6670 what part number for the front please?
@@twowheelpilot jtf565 15rb
@@bazz6670 you're a good man Baz; thanks for being so helpful with info.
Cool video. Do you reckon that she'll loose something off the road?
No I think it will be better
Thank you. Mine is due to come in a week or two and I think I'll go the same way.
less gear changes is always better so being able to stay in one (any) gear for longer is always not only smoother but also faster; the only situation it might effect is taking off from stand-still on steep hills.
@markhills3922 I find myself in second most of the time on trails and it good
@@bazz6670 what about hill starts Baz...any excessive clutch needed to get moving?
This should have been the stock gear ratio IMO.
I guess they were aiming for more offroad. Cruises nicer now.
Do you think 16 teeth in front could be better than 15 teeth? Or is to much?
I didn't really take notice of how much clearance there is to be safe. I'll probably experiment with the rear later on.
KTM sprockets fit this bike front and rear if it helps.
Thanks mate any suggestions are greatly appreciated. The 450 sr has the same, too.
Bazz, do you know what top speed it can do? Good videos too mate.
Haven't tried top speed while running in. Our speed limit is 110 kmh Max. If I find an isolated road I'll give it a go but then can't show on vid .
Do you think that a 16 would be overkill? Thanks for the vid!
I should have taken more notice of clearance, sorry. My friend has 15 front and will be trying a 45 rear . It may be a week before I find out results.
@@bazz6670 Great, please keep us posted :)
i have a dumb question most likely, if you change gear ratio on a motorcycle, you alter relation between RPM and speed... so, wont it make speedometer to be incorrect?
@aleksandarstevanovic5854 hey mate it doesn't seem to affect it . I have checked with gps and it is the same just less rpm.
nice job sir
@bazz6670 what height are you?
And weight?
And do you then find the bike light, midweight or heavy. For yourself i mean.
Thanks.
Hi, I am 180 cm, 84 kg. I find the bike feel light to me and nimble. Easy to push around. It's not enduro bike lite but holds the wieght down low. Cheers .
@@bazz6670 that is super helpful. We're basically around the same height haha and weight.
You'll be a good example for me then.
I'm really thinking about getting this as a first bike.
@@yingyangorca4124 I'm glad I could help. It would make a great first bike for you.
Not exactly precise is it?
I have long commutes to good adventure routes… will this bike do 120kph for a couple hours and comfortably?
@JasonRidesmoto it will be fine, it will sit around 6000 rpm at that speed with 15
Hello ,
did the Sprocket change also require a chain change or can you do it with the stock chain?
You don't need to change the chain, just adjust to suit.
Does your bike still suffer from patchy fueling low in the rev. range. Is there a good fix.
@brianlennan7237 yep it does down low, not sure of a fix at this stage athough I read a post about a guy who put on the DNA filter with a bigger air flow cover. I remember him saying it helped and sounded throaty.
What's the teeth count on the wheel sprocket?
It is a 47
How does impact fuel consumption? Thanks a lot!!!
@@MarcoPi-pq5kg Hi, I use an average of 4.5 ltrs per 100 ks.
@@bazz6670 thanks mate
Does changing the sprocket void the warranty???
no
Good 👍
Is the speed sensor ona the wheel or in the transmission?
@tobyrempel8952 there's nothing on the wheels, probably output shaft.
Could you try an 16 tooth sprocket? im very curious what the top end speed would be or RPM at 100kmph
Thanks for the suggestion, I'm keeping the 15 front. Maybe down the track I might try a 45 on the rear and see how that goes. Cheers.
quanti giri in meno in 6 marcia con pignone da 15? velocità massima?
Experimenta uma cremalheira mais pequena atrás fin na minha versys e resultou 😉
Hi just wondering what the stock rear sprocket size is?
@@jaydenpiris5701 it is 47
What is the top speed with 15 sprocket
Same top speed,the bike its limited to 160 km/h, the only reason to change the sprocket is make the bike more cruiser and less adv
Hey there, great video, It would be nice if you try to take to top speed with 15th and then change it to 16th. I want to know what the cruising speed limit.
I would bet you can cruise much better a 120km/h with a 16. Let me know if you can do it. I will definitely subscribe.
It's a bit hard to try top speed here , we have at the highest 110 kmh speed limit. I know everyone asks about 16 front but I would rather lower rear sprocket. My friend will be trying a 45 rear soon with 15 front and I will see what results he gets. Cheers
Great. What's the size in the rear in stock ?
@@juancamilomoreno4545 it is 47
@@bazz6670 wow....14/47 is a strange combination....so rule of thumb is a change of one tooth at front is equal to three at rear; going to 15 at front same as 14/44; your friend going to 15/45 would be same as 14/42 or 14/41.....that will make the bike much faster if the torque can hold the extra load; big question is, will the bike still be able to pull away cleanly from a standstill on steep hills or will the clutch get a real workout?
Wanted to ask, it is better to change the front sprocket or the rear sprocket?
Front gives more change per tooth and is cheaper. Saying that my friend has 15 front and will be trying a 45 rear . We will see soon how it goes. Cheers
@@bazz6670 1 tooth at front equals 3 on the rear.
5th and 6th gears should be taller as they are primarily for road travel, so they should act like overdrive
Not always....
Do you feel like you lost much power with the 16T?
It is a 15 tooth just one up no loss of power .
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Speedo is same because, it reads speed from the wheels
It doesn't read from wheels.
@@bazz6670 why not, from abs sensors?
@@CheradenineZakalwe the output shaft.
@@bazz6670 what makes you sure?
Anyone know what is the torque of the front sprocket nut?
@David-m7f3g is it in the book that came with bike, I've misplaced mine so can't check
I dont think so @@bazz6670
Good video sir, We released a portable air pump. Interested in giving a review?
Yes it would be a pleasure to review your Air Pump. It just so happens i have been looking for a portable Air Pump to carry on my Bike. I can be reached at bazz66advrides@gmail.com
was it hard to find a spare sprocket to the bike ?
No, the sr road bike version uses same motor.
How will it affect your of road experience?
I think it will be fine, I find on a lot of tracks I don't really get out of second gear. First gear is very short.
Any idea if a 16T would fit ?
@anonymousd5582 there is plenty of space for it,
Did you test it on highway, at higher speeds?
@rzDmyth I had it up to 130 no prob , around 7000 rpm if I remember correctly.
@@bazz6670 In factory settings, the drivers are describing a lot of vibration at higher speeds (100-150). When compared with your changes, did you notice any decrease on vibrations and increased stability?
Do you have a part number or brand of the sprocket? Need to do the same mod. Thx
There is a picture at the end of video. Jtf656 15rb . Look up that number . Cheers
@bazz6670 thx, got one on order
may i ask what phone gps are you using?
@sixthguardian6914 it was one called speedometer from the play store.
Did you test your top speed now?
No , we have speed limit of 110 kmh Max.