Which Star Wars Faction has the BEST ARTILLERY? | Star Wars Legends Lore
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We compared artillery on today's episode of Star Wars Factions Compared.
The Galactic Empire, Rebel Alliance, Confederacy of Independent Systems and the Galactic Republic vie for the best Star Wars Legends artillery, as the AT-IC, SPHA, DDT and the MPTL-2a.
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EckhartsLadder I understand this is probably the worst place to put it but how do you think Greivous from legends would do against a space marines or a primarch as I think master chief was hardly a fair match for the good General
@EckhartsLadder your wrong and here is why: 1) your critic of the separatist artillery not being durable is invalid because it is artillery. the point of artillery is to NOT be durable; the point of artillery is to carry a long ranged gun that can use indirect fire methods lobbing high explosive shells and etc. in other words it is meant to give a giant middle finger to the enemy long before the enemy ever actually endangers the artillery and its support teams or the main units ahead of them.
2) a SPG or self propelled gun should be mobile so it can deliver its punch much faster and be easier to move around
3) the republic artillery is the ANTITHESIS of the point and being of what an artillery piece is (the one you picked for them anyways). first off it is direct fire; even early gun powder artillery was not direct fire only. this limits the actual punch it has as a artillery piece significantly don't get me wrong it is powerful but not as a artillery piece. it would be more accurate to call it a anti-orbital platform or heavy AA. EVEN THAN HOWEVER the republic "artillery" is not great at this role due to it being direct fire.
4) for all of these reasons the republic artillery should be LAST no matter how powerful it was/is. it does not fit the role of artillery in any capacity. an the top two artillery pieces should be from the rebel alliance and the CIS with CIS being first.
I believe that the DDT is the better artillery mainly do to the fact the rounds guarantee kills. The weapon may have its draw back but, the Republic can't shield its entire army.
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Byss fleet vs earth home fleet
Courasaunt fleet (with reinforcements)vs high charity
Rothana battleship vs marathon cruiser
Rothana battleship vs ccs battlecruiser
Empire vs covenant in a full out war
*sees title*
Oh yeah, the Republic's got this one in the bag.
SPMA turbolaser was as powerful as SPHA one, but smaller and lighter. It's a no brainer win for Empire.
Agreed
Mr. Hand, I SWEAR TO GOD THEY DON'T HAVE ECM'S WHERE DID YOU EVEN GET THAT SHIT.
Erndem Sterff Prederctions it's pretty dumb how the empire is almost always last on these lists, aren't they suppose to succeed the clones? How come they suck in every category? Stormtroopers are worse than rebel militia?! WTF
Luscinius nope unfortunately Lucas arts or whoever wants the empire to be the most incompetent military in star wars history
The DDT would have been incredibly effective against the Yuuzong Vong. Their all organic military would have been very susceptible to it
Agreed.
Was that name deliberate? Something called "DDT" that destroys organics, can't be a coincidence lol
The thing about the clone wars was that the vehicles were actually designed for practicality. Unlike the original trilogy.
Practicality in war. AT-ATs are good for pirates, criminals and rebels. Attaching an ion cannon just seems like a quick and affordable way to deal with real wars
That Spectacular Landing Which is why we have a giant centipede with a laser cannon attached to it that can only fire directly.
The Empires weaponry was made more for intimidation
No vehicle with legs can be said to be a practical design. They are a complete farce, laughably bad. Anything else is better. Wheels? Better. Treads? Better. Repulsorlift? Waaaaay better. Just having one that sits still on the ground is still arguably better than how stupid it would be from an engineering perspective to make a vehicle with legs.
3:32 so are we ignoring this? Or the... anything with legs?
Honestly, the Grand Republic Army is one of the best armies in Star Wars. It has a wide variety of troops and vehicles, clear troop and commandstructure, specialized troops etc. But their navy... is utter bullshit to be honest. Their mainstayship is a carrier, they have no real dedicated battlecruiser, battleship, light frigates/corvettes etc. If they would have treated their navy like a real navy, they would have probably won the war.
Wickie LP it's the Grand Army of the Republic GAR
Wickie LP actualy they didnt need to change the venator,they could just upgrade it(sidegrade)to make it a battleship,make the hangar smaller an add wepons and more energy cells
they did win the war
the only won because the war was designed for them to win
had the CIS not been manipulated it's ability to blockade and orbital strike troops easily due to navel superiority, as well as overwhelm republic forces on the ground after cutting off supplies and bombarding positions would have won the war
agreed
Aside from the clones star wars doesn't really do artillery that well. Most things seem to rely on just big guns on walkers rather then an actually useful bit of artillery
Eckhart's get's some stuff wrong, along with never going into really great detail.
CIS has good artillery.
The T4Bs used by the Rebels weren't too terrible
The CIS's artillery is literally smaller than the republics, and does more damage.
Imperitus the CIS have ok artillery but compared to the republics artillery you just can't compare
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Same
The ddt fires the defoiler that destroys organic beings.
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I mean if it’s outside the range... does not matter does it?
Great video
It's unfortunate that so many source books don't focus on strictly ground warfare in star wars and especially artillery so good job ecks
what i meant was fixed artillery not mobile fixed but you are right
You have a great vibe and flow. Your content is digestible for individuals with a surface level understanding of the Star Wars Universe yet remains entertaining for those with a deeper knowledge base. I don't know if you've done this already but which faction has the best "spy" unit. I'm unsure how much information would be readily available but would be interesting nonetheless.
Thanks for the compliment!
So bothan spys, isb(? I think the imperial spy people?), not sure about cis, and maybe delta squad? Jedi? For republic
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@@mondaysinsanity8193 CIS would be commando droids. Bothan spies for rebels. Clone commandoes for republic, probably, though thats the one I'm most unsure about as they're a primarily combatative role. And imperial intelligence for empire.
I feel as though you chose a terrible artillery for the Empire when a better option was available. I feel as though it'd be more fair if you used the Imperial artillery from Empire at War, considering how you used the Rebel artillery from Empire at War.
"Never will really be on the front lines."
*looks back over years of Empire at War*
Yeah...about that claim...
Realistically, if your artillery needs heavy armour protection, you're using it wrong. The rebel artillery, probably by virtue of coming from an RTS game that wants units to be balanced (at least until the Forces of corruption expansion came along), is the best actual artillery.
That said, in most star wars media artillery, and long ranged weapons of any kind really, are being used wrong. So, go nuts with the expensive, hard to transport glorified heavy tanks masquerading as artillery.
This is very true
Honestly the Rebel artillery isn't that great it's not as powerful as the Republic artillery and doesn't do the Area Damage the CIS Artillery does (even though CIS artillery kind of reminds me of Mortars)
A lot of real-world self-propelled guns are armoured. That doesn't mean they're not artillery.
I'm not saying you're wrong - just that you aren't right. Artillery with armour just means that, if it is unfortunate enough to get into close quarters, it can survive long enough to either run away or defend itself. Besides which, you say that artillery which finds itself in close-quarters combat is being used wrong? Even artillery used perfectly can find itself outmanoeuvred occasionally, and when that happened, I'd rather have artillery that can take a hit.
The rebel artillery fails in one major aspect (well, two, but we'll get their). It has short range. Short range artillery has it's uses, but it's just generally not a particularly good idea, a better one being to make your artillery in such a way it can fire at short range, it just isn't designed specifically for that purpose (the CIS artillery is the only example which could fit that role in this list). Now, if they designed it to be a sort of tank with a higher focus on firepower rather than breakthrough, it having short range would be fine, except it clearly isn't, because it lacks armor and shielding. The empire probably has the best artillery piece out of the lot, it's platform just isn't suited for artillery, and the republic seemingly decided that it would be a good idea to utilize a capital ship weapon for ground battles, which is overkilling the overkill.
I mean, your probably thinking of real wars, but in Star Wars you have higher quality air support, better scanning, and self-guided rockets. A little armor can go a long way to protect critical equipment
Wonderful video!
Also in the 2003 Clone Wars series the SPHA was seen arcing its shots throughout many different episodes.
MysticHero nah it was great. We do see them arcing their shots. So yeah.
That was shells, not beams.
Yes, they can be equipped with mass driver cannons that allow them to arc.
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@Gummibärchen mit honig Actually, he didn't destroy all of them. If you look closely, just before the Arc troopers attack the CIS command centre, the Banking Clan guys are monitoring the Republic's advance and they see SPHA-T's still firing after Durge's attack was stopped by Obi-Wan. So there were a few left.
Excellent video as always! I will admit, my first thought for Republic artillery would actually be the AV-7 Antivehicle Cannon, which we see in the Clone Wars show at the Battle of Christophsis. It is a bit more of a traditional mortar-like piece, while your list seems to be using more varied, mobile artillery pieces.
And as much as I love the SPHA-T, I'm not entirely sure it is capable of arcing it's shots, which of course be a significant downside to any artillery piece, as it would then require a direct line of sight to its target. Wookiepedia(my only source because I'm lazy) states as much. Also apparently the gun had limited charge, and would have to be replaced with a different gun after firing, I suppose that is there downside instead of reloading.
Personally I think a better choice would have been the SPHA-C, a variant that instead fired concussion missiles, the downside of course being limited ammunition. Although it exists only in text-form in reference books, so might not work as well for the video.
(derp, forgot you mentioned it in the video :p)
And while the AT-IC is an interesting idea, I'm not sure it works quite as well in practice. One issues is that, simply judging by the one images we have to work off of, it seems as if the walker would have to face away from the battle/target, so that the Ion Cannon can fire at it, because the remaining body of the walker would get in the way of the cannon. This decreases the ability of the walker to defend itself from closer ranged attacks. Additionally, removing a large amount of the original volume of the walker significantly decreases its ability to be used for its original purpose, transportation, with most of the remaining space likely being needed for power plants due to the large power energy requirements of the Ion Cannon.
Anyways, these are just my opinions, love your videos, keep up the great work!
Alright searched around a bit more. In the 2003 Clone Wars show, the (presumably) SPHA-Ts fire more traditional turbolaser style projectiles, with some definitely arcing. Although in the Attack of the Clones, the do seem to be more directed energy beam weapons, however the wiki does state they use a heavy turbolaser beam(although a turbolaser beam doesn't doesn't quite fit with our working knowledge of how turbolasers work? idk might just be me). Although the 2003 show isn't canon, this could just be explained as different variations of the base SPHA, which as you mentioned has many canon variations anyways.
I personally would've gone with the AV-7 instead of the SPHA. It's mroe versatile and we see its destructive power in the Clone Wars movie especially well.
XepherTim I
XepherTim the AT-7 can actually move it has tracks located on its legs is able to move but at a slower pace making it a prime target for faster droid vechicles such as hellfire and homing spider droids and can attacked by air units
I think the AT-IC as a platform could work, specifically if you swap out the direct fire ion cannon for a missile system, largely due to how the missile system could be used for either an AA role, or to augment its forward weaponry by firing missiles with thrusters to arc themselves down onto far off targets. One could also replace the ion cannon with a heavy point defense laser turret for helping deal with air targets. In essence while the transportation space is gone it can be made to function as a heavy escort walker. Especially due to that weakness to tow cables from fast speeders.
Really great video idea! Even though I love the CIS military I certainly believe you got it right saying the republic won this one. A video on tanks would be cool
Why? So the Republic wins again with the AT-TE? Cause they probably will.
I agree. Love those tanks.
bogustoast22 none , m8 The AT-TE is no tank. They would get the TX-130 Saber class tank likely. I believe he already did some sort of video which used the AT-TE as the republic main and besides it is a walker
bogustoast22 none I mean I get what you are saying but Eckhart would likely choose the vehicle that best fits as a proper tank
Ian Dinkla understandable, but remember that the ATTE IS a tank, just a walker instead of threads or repulsor lift.
Again, understandable if not used (cause it fits many rolls and it can get boring) it IS a tank itself.
What I love is how George L went about vehicles in the clone wars. “So yea the separatists will have 10 different capital ships with there own unique features. And the republic will have a smaller star destroyer and a mini version of that version
See's the DDT.
Me: OH MY!
the designer who appears in the same episode the DDT was first shown is voiced by George Tekei AKA mister Sulu.
Well, first DDT was the common name for an infamous pesticide that was used extensively in the 60's and 70's but later banned for its effects on the enviroment. The other thing, is that in the episode of the Clone Wars where this weapon was introduced, the Nemoidian who created it, is voiced by George Tekai
HabitableMango2 well look up 3rd rock from the sun George Tekei oh my.
best speeder (stap, barc, etc
it bothers me that sometimes you pick extremely obscure quality vehicles to represent the empire and other times when they have a better option for something you pick the most common one such as the tie bomber in bombers compared. I don't care which philosophy you pick for for the sake of consistency pick one.
Yeah, plus for this video he picked 3 vehicles that aren’t artillery and are tanks pretending to be artillery. The only actually artillery piece on this list is the Rebellion’s MPTL which actually has a rang just over 20 kilometers which isn’t that short of a range at all given how Star Wars battles are usually fought.
@@cryamistellimek9184 I would argue that the separatist's defoiler IS artillery, since it shoots at long range using ballistics and is meant to be behind the front lines
Sure, it's mounted on a tank, but a machine gun in a tank is still a machine gun
@@sasir2013 Maybe, but given the shells it fires it’s range as an artillery piece doesn’t seem to be considered, and most tanks would be able to outshoot even that. I’d argue it’s more a support vehicle than an artillery piece.
@@cryamistellimek9184 Personally, the HAG would've been a better choice probably at first glance. However, I can't find much info on what either vehicle's respective effective range is with their main weapon. however both do function according what we consider artillery. So, either the HAG or DDT can freely call itself artillery asside the MRLS-style MPTL.... which would have an interesting counterpart in the Hailfire Droid at that.
I think the AT-IC is a good base idea. If it was faster it would be good. But with the cannon if you could figure out a way to mount different weapons it could be effective. Love the video and the vehicle pick. Keep it up Eck!!
Toggle Fire There was the AT-LC which had a big Lasercannon on its back.
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It's a TOY! That was NEVER seen again!
An IC version of the AT-AA would probably be super effective.
Chris sonofPear and your point is?
Yees finally I’ve been requesting this for WEEKS
MPTL has an effective range of 120 km. That is actually stated on Wookieepedia. MRLS's generally have ridiculous ranges. Irl,they can shoot up to 200km
MPTL-2a has a range of 20km not 120km.
@@endengineer2441 Well it says "more than 20 kilometers" technically. Eck seriously underestimated the firepower of those things too. Sure they don't look great in a game that tries to have balance, but remember that those are proton torpedos, which are anti-capital ship by nature.
@@Noah-zz8uw WDYM it doesn't look good in game? I obliterated everything using them. XD
@@endengineer2441 lol they're still pretty good in game too. I remember one setting up and obliterating everything in it's way :)
For a vehicle vs episode: All Terrain Anti-Aircraft (AT-AA) vs Type-52 Anti-Aircraft Artillery (AA Wraith)
For a factions compared episode: Which faction had the best repulsor lift tank
Artillery? Never thought of that :P
Have you read every Legends comics and books? Ive read many but not all, some are soo rare!
Not every, but a good percentage. A lot of the ones I'm missing are kids books or the old marvel comics or novels from the clone wars era
EckhartsLadder I've read some of the Legends comics of Clone wars. Republic issues 40 to 60, Grevious comics etc something like that in a collected edition called "Star Wars Omnibus: Clone Wars vol 1-3". You can find them on torrents
I have a few novels left...
Shiladitya Talukder my fav is the crimson empire storyline
Why not the SPMA-T? for Empire
because he hates the empire
Guessing it's be too similar to the Republic one. And now that very effective.
It would require a lockdown phase like the rebel artillery, but it's far slower and even worse armored.
The AT-IC while unwieldily, can at least fire while moving or actually withstand blaster fire, increasing chances of survival in case it all goes to hell.
Because this is the most commonly used and well known, and eck loves that particular walker.
Because he will do anything to make the republic look good. Even use the worst artillery the empire has
The Emperor Maybe because the Republic actually has/had one of the best army’s?
Can you stop using the toy for the empire in these videos.
Is that the Rebel Missile thing from Empire At War? God those things were the worst. They were just awful to fight against. The AI was a monster at using them.
InevitableVitare was fun to see them while u only have infantry
There was an older version of it in Force Commander, a prior game.
InevitableVitare
I threw all the civilians and stormtroopers at the but none of them reached their minimum range. Otherwise I used speeder bikes and planted bombs directly near them.
Also the AI doesn't have fog of war and that's why it can use them so good.
Me: “sees DDT”
Man that probably would’ve been so helpful during the Vong war 😑
Just amp up the power of the special warheads and watch as a single shell burns a Worldship.
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When you said that the AT-IC is the worst for both worlds I started singing like Hannah Montana XD! 🎶The AT-IC is the WORST For both Worlds! So the Empire is bad, with their design Choice!🎶
1:05 stop STOP WITH THIS TOY IT’S A DUMB TOY STOP DISRESPECTING THE EMPIRE LIKE THIS BESIDES YOU A;READY USED THAT FOR YOUR BEST VEHICLE VIDEO
I like the MPTL, it is most relateable to modern artilery and is very effective in its role, Area Denial. Spotters are additional part of the package, makein this the only vehicle on the list that can actually work alone. It is defenceless, trough...
The AT-IC not the most usefull weapon, since it is basicly a regular Arty stapped on a AT-AT. It does not benefit from its armour, since most of it is removd, it does not benifit from its hight, since it fires a arc, anyways... A very 'special' design.
The DDT, while being only experimental, is the propably most usefull out of the batch. Its ammonition is able to destroy enemy forces while keeping the vaulble gear intact. It also got the biggest radius and since it is mountet on a modified AAT, it keeps some of the arms it had.
SPHA... It is to big, it requires special craft to even reach its destination, its abilety to hit targets in the sweetspot betwen the pointdefence and the Artys reach is nearly nonexistent, because any arc this thing would be able to shot must be increadybly far... And it is so big, one could propably see it from space.
Its followups, wich got downscaled for a reason, are far more reasonable weapons. The SPAH is the gustav railway gun all over again!
Yeah, the MPTL-2a also doesn't lack in firepower at all. Proton torpedos are literally designed to be effective against capital ships and large, heavily fortified targets. Spotter Droids are part of the package as you say. They increase the effective range, and greatly increase accuracy.
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How is the MPTL so low? It obliterates anything it gets sight on in EaW.
Alex Mauney it actually has a range of 120 km. And it fires guided munitions,which is pretty rad by MRLS standarts. I wouldn't be surprised if it could fire specialised ammo like ATGM's or AA rockets,or it could hit multiple targets in the same volley
Well, that's a bit surprising, because in this list MPTL is most realistic - artillery need spotters, communications and change positions after few volleys to avoid destruction due to enemy response. Others are just bigger guns on standard chassis (Defoliator an AT-IC) or self propelled fortress (SPHA)
Kuba Król Republic has AV7,which were used in the Clone wars toon. They would make much better artillery piece for this list. AI-IC is like a Surmtiger,superheavy assault gun used for attacking bunker lines and not lobbing enemy from afar
Василий Данилов AT-IC is rather mashup of Archer (Valentine with 17 pounder AT gun) and so-called Flakbus with 88mm AA gun - mediocre in both roles (gun is IMO too powerful and cumbersome for shooting CAS and has too much limited firing arc for land targets). About superiority of AV-7 over SPHA I wrote in my other comment
Nice to seem some more of the Rebel's heavy weaponry, even if it's rarer.
Something tells me the DDT might be extremely effective against the yuzang vong
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I personally believe that the AT-IC may have more like the AT-TE in terms of where the artillery piece was specifically placed.
However, those ‘Gorilla Walkers’ that were originally introduced in “Last Jedi, the” may have been the actual successor to the AT-IC.
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Honestly any artillery that can shoot down the main part of CIS capital ship is the best in my book
MysticHero I mean artillery doesn’t have to be arc shot based. As long as it is a weapon made to be out of the reach of small arms fire and is use to bombard or fire from long distances is artillery
Love your vids I’m a big clone wars fan myself
Artillery: Imperials pull out a Death Star
The republic one looks cool. Your vids are amazing.
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My first thought of the AT-IT:
This was just to sell toys, right
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As I remember Empire At War, it gave the empire a rather light, dedicated artillery walker with a canon that seemd to be a smaler version of the SPHAs main weapon. I found it to be quite practical if well supported and deplyoed in some numbers. Definitely less odd than an AT-AT with a huge ion gun on its back.
I would have made the defibrillator in multi barreled launcher with a smaller blast radius but much faster firing rate and an automatic reloader
Interesting would be to see a cost/benefit analysis... An artillery piece carrying a regiment of troops as close protection is, imo, wasting a regiment of troops. How many of the rebel vehicles could you get on one of the unwieldy republic pieces? How much manpower would be used for an equal amount of damage when close support is figured in (Only reasonable to assign some protective forces to the rebel pieces after all).
Honestly I think the Defoliator is very effective when used as an anti-infantry weapon. It suffers against armor but when you need to flush enemies out of a forest or fortification
Its also going to be cheaper than the other contenders, since they're literally just swapping out the gun on one of their mass-produced battle tanks.
The manual loading is inconvenient, but its probably easier to manufacture than an automatic loading system.
Not to mention it still has 2 repeating blaster cannons and 6 torpedo tubes to defend itself with.
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John Peterson what about a watch out for those wrist rockets for the clones
That too. LMAO
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Excellent as always Eck
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You should of used the Self-Propelled Medium Artillery for the empire!!!
MPTL i just Empire at War cancer, i'm still having nightmares....
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Why did you use the AT-IC and not the SPMA walker for the Empire?
He hates the empire
Those aren’t actually SPHAs in the venator, if you play Star Wars Battlefront II starfighter assault on the Kamino map you will see
May be a retcon.
SPHA-T is De wae
No
“Which Star Wars faction has the best artillery?”
*Looks at the Empire and their walkers that can be toppled by a fucking rope*
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Can the UNSC and the Covenant survive and beat the Angel Zeruel from Evangelion on Earth when the Covenant first attacked? Zeruel appears out of nowhere in this and is laying waste to everything and everyone that it sees and gets in it's way while trying to look for Lilith on this version of Earth to start the next Impact
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i believe if you used the elite atat in place of the at model you used, Of course that is my opinion based on a tactical analysis without bias of prequels or civil war era. This is also keeping in mind how effective the vehicles are from start to finish in a battle. the elite atat seems to be the most well balanced and practical in a warfare situation. here is a link to the wiki page starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Elite_AT-AT. also for those that are interested in knowing why technology is actually more advanced in the civil war era go to this link. its a somewhat long read but i think you eckharts should really read this. it may help in future videos like this one.www.quora.com/How-come-in-the-Star-Wars-universe-the-technology-is-more-advanced-in-prequels-than-originals
For people who do not want to read what the second link has to offer. It sums up to the fact that in our eyes when we do not know the specs of each vehicle and blaster used. The visual affects are what people have to go on. which is why to someone who only knows the basics, would say that the primary walker of the republic is more powerful that the ATAT. It comes down to what we see instead of the facts. this is also why all the force users in the prequels seen more powerful than those in the original trilogy. and in both old and new cannon and eu. we know that is not the case.
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Can you imagine if Saw Guerera got ahold of some DDT’s? If it kills clones, it’d kill stormtroopers. Think of how brutal that’d be
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X-83 Twintail vs. Tie Defender (the Legends version)
Jacob Robert IMHO, twintail would win. Its just too heavy and the technology gap is way too large
Great idea but is it a tie defender elite or standard
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Hell fucking yes fuck Disney
Our glorious emperor will destroy these rebels , with the most powerful weapons in the universe to restore peace and prosperity!. praise our glorious empire!
You can see spha units firing in an arc mode during the battle of muunilist in the clone wars microseries
Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (138th try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
Best tactics?
Jonathan Enriquez Given the listed weaknesses of the Rebel Alliance vehicle being limitations faced by most if not all artillery, I'm not sure Eck should be the one to judge tactics...
If we're talking about direct-fire, the Republic wins, no contest. If we're talking about indirect fire, I'd say the Rebels win, but only because you're giving the Empire the shitty AT-IC instead of the SPMA.
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This video would be a far better showcase for a discussion on what Artillery (or SPGs here) actually even are. The videomaker clearly doesn't even understand what it is, making this video all kinds of wrong.
The only one that (from what I see as footage) that comes resembles artillery is the DDT, which immediately makes me wonder why the HAG was not here.
[added]: With exception of the DDT and partially that last one, all these vessels require direct line of sight because their weapons fire in a straight line, on that account alone they fail miserably as artillery.
I think the videomaker should've researched the subject of what is artillery a hell of a lot better.
You could probably say that the Empires Galaxy Gun is artillery. That brings the first place to the Empire, right? RIGHT?
+Kane123a, well the halo rings from halo are artillary right? RIGHT? so they win.
What?! How dare you?! XD
It destroys every intelligent life exept droids. So if you´re not the Borg or something, it will kill you too.^^
Kane123a Unless you're on a protected Forerunner installation.
If you’re gonna knock the DDT for having 2 dedicated loaders, then you’re also gonna have to criticize the SPHA for needing a minimum crew size of TWELVE to run and despite its huge size can only carry one weeks worth of rations…why do you hate the CIS so much…
I think Yuuzhan Vong versus Covanent would be really interesting, like if you aggree!
ARCTrooper23 I think the geonosians vs the drones from halo would be a cool matchup
That does seem pretty cool. They are pretty much the same thing, I'd like to see which would win.
But in both games you fight them in you're either a seven foot tall super soldier or a Specially trained Commando.
I wonder why didn’t the rebellion,Empire,resistance or first order buy or produce
the SPHA or DDT and deploy them in battle.Is that because the SPHA and DDT was too expensive
or no other factory produces them anymore or is that because the filmmakers and George Lucas
thought if they put the SPHA and DDT in,it would kill everyone.
Can someone please tell me why they wouldn’t buy or produce those two tanks.
Been watching this series for a while. Gotta say i love it. Really makes my day better everytime i see a new one of these on my feed.
Agreed.
Any specific reason you didn't use the SPMA-T for the Empire, other than it being a smaller SPHA-T? Also, how do you think this would've turned out if the CIS had Hailfire Tanks or Heavy Artillery Guns (very subtle name there, btw) instead of the Despoiler?
Eckhart's Ladder 👍
The CIS also has in legends the two different types of HAG, the massive MTT-based plasma(Or mass driver it's not made clear) Howitzer model from Star Wars: Starfighter and the smaller more AAT-sized model from the Clone Wars video game (The driving focused one centered around the life-reaping Sith weapon)
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Before I start this video heres what I think it’ll be the CIS artillery specifically the regular cannon droid artillery that has been seen shooting down acclamators
This video can be retitled “Eckhart doesn’t know how artillery works”
Why?
@@DevilYouDont I'm no expert on this topic, but artillery doesn't need to be enormous, or heavily armored, or able to defend itself against anti tank infantry and heavy vehicles for it to fulfill it's intended purpose. Most of these artillery vehicles are going to be be behind allied forces, which means that speed is very good, needing spotters isn't a weakness, and having heavy armor isn't much of a benefit.
Case in point, the MPTL-2a should probably be the best out of the few vehicles he chose here (I'm pretty sure all of these factions have an alternative example of artillery that could be better). It can move fast, it can deploy and undeploy quickly, it's range and accuracy aren't great alone, but both of those elements can be completely enhanced with a simple spotter droid, and he's wrong about the firepower of the MPTL-2a lacking. Sure it doesn't create enormous explosions in a game meant to be balanced, but remember that proton torpedos by their very design are meant to be anti capital ship weapons. A single MPTL-2a should be able to clear the battlefield with extreme precision and accuracy at a great range, then reposition.
@@Noah-zz8uw yeah I guess howitzers don’t have armour... the Paris gun from WW2 could move fast but it didn’t have armour or other weapons.
Is this a reupload? I could’ve sworn it was posted before the 16th. I’ve got the weirdest sense of deja-vu.
I think picking the one-off walker for the Empire was kinda odd when you could have used the Empire at War imp artillery.
Dude, thats just my opinion, but your list doesnt make sense. None of your choice is relevant to the topic. For exaple, the at-ic is not an artillery piece. Its a walker, or generally speaking, a vehicle. So are the others (except maybe for the republic one). In the military, both in star wars and in real world, artillery is not the same as vehicle. Sometimes a vehicle can operate as an artillery piece though.
So in conclusion, what you've jyst said is nice and cool, but has nothing to do. I dont hate it though, the video was nice and informative. But i really think you should take a better choice for each faction next time.
Alpha Squad It would be way better and more even if he took AV7,J7 and SPMA for Rep,CIS and empire respectively. Defoiler and SPHA are too unwieldy and specialised,and AT-IC is more of an assault gun like STUG than an actual artillery piece
You can’t even claim you aren’t biased now! You just downright ignored a huge disadvantage to the Republic walker! It *cannot* arc it’s shots! You plainly ignored this!
EckhartsLadder i'd like to make an important distinction here "artillery" are immobile platforms all the vehicles your talking about are whats called Self Propelled Guns (SPGs) although SW might call them artillery there is a huge difference between the two
Imps when Rebels make a Katyusha
Shouldn't the Republic have those wheel cannons(I belive they are called AV7) from the clone wars instead of that tanks? I think they might be better but still great video!
Armor is not a necessary factor for artillery. Artillery is meant for indirect fire support so if it's getting hit you're doing something wrong. Speed matters quite a bit so you can move it back and forth as needed but nothing matters more than firepower.
There is actually a similar design principle with modern tanks, speed and firepower > armour for survivability, the only statistic that matters.
Could you make a vid on the worst dropship?
And maybe the wierdest dropship?
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