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+EckhartsLadder Here's a couple of Verses suggestions for you to do. *1. Imperial II-class Star Destroyer (Star Wars) vs Lucrehulk-class Droid Control Ship (Star Wars)* *2. D'deridex class Romulan Warbird (Star Trek) vs Imperial II-class Star Destroyer (Star Wars)*
Do you think that a fleet of imperial II's and venator's would work well together considering have different their doctrines are? Also Delta squad starwars vs noble team halo
If you insist on the Home One, a one-of-a-kind Rebel alliance ship, then we might as well use the Executor, Malevolence and Pride of the Core for the other factions.
Home one? that's more of a special type of capital ship, if anything it should have been the MC-80 Liberty class type of Capital ship for the Rebellion, Home One was in its own league. I don't see different types of Home Ones running around like the Imperials, the Venators and the Providences which were at least all mass produced
Yeah, using Home One, a fleet flagship, as a standard comparison ship when they rejected Invisible Hand for the same reason? No, that's really biased on his part. Secondly, he hinted at the Rebels having tons of different types of Mon Cal cruisers, which emphasizes one of their major drawbacks listed in Legends, which is how much of a pain they are for maintenance. The lack of a standardized design would mean everything is custom built, making maintenance more expensive. This means that they can field less of them given equal support structures. Third, they are converted passenger liners, not purpose built warships. Passenger liners do not have the same structural design as warships, which warships are aimed for surviving combat, compartmentalization, etc. while passenger liners are aimed to be economically produced (or in the case of unique, one of a kind luxury liners, to be comfortable).
Exactly. I like this channel a lot, but the bias is unfortunately there sometimes. Sure it's difficult to compare specific types of warships that pretty much do the exact same thing for their respective faction but if we're gonna compare a proper flagship to those mass produced by the other 3 factions then it may as well be: Home One (Rebellion) Resolute (Republic) Invisible Hand (Separatists) Devastator or Chimera (Empire, no point putting in Executor considering that's very one sided) All well known Flagships. Having Home One put up against mass produced, stock, bog standard ships of each faction is far too one sided.
I'm confused. You used the standard Providence Class Carrier for the Separatists, instead of using one of its variants, but instead of using the more common MC-80 Liberty for the Rebel Alliance, you used the modified Home One?
Cough....cough.... he like Mom calamari ships that why the rebels always win even though venator a in a straight up war will be one of the most combat effective ships
You used the Home One for the rebels but standard ships for the other factions? That's very biased of you. If you used Admiral Trenches Invincible the turnout for your winner would have been much different and more in favor of the Separatists.
I agree. Whilst I agree with the Home One being the best capital ship the modified Invincible would be number 2 instead of last. And the standard Providence could easily take out the Venator in a one on one fight. The main probable with the separatists is that they didn’t have enough resources to just build Providence classes.
I can't take Imperial Star Destroyers seriously after they keep being casually blown up in _Rebels._ I'm a fan of the show, but that particularly bugs me.
Acolyte has a point. The bad writing means the heroes win mostly because of plot. In stories from both canon and legends, Star Destroyers easily tear the rebels apart pretty much every time they face them.
The Venator is the best ship for the war it participated in. In the clone wars, there was a heavy focus on starfighters, which is why the frontline ships of the time had a large starfighter complement. The MC80 is heavily shielded and armored because in that war there was more of a focus of duking it out between the two factions. So despite having fewer weapons, it could take a beating while letting it's snub fighters take out the star destroyer. So it becomes very hard to compare these four factions because they are set to specialize in different wars.
I'm surprised that you didn't use the Lucrehulk-class Droid Control Ship as a capital ship for the CIS. That one would've made the CIS faction come higher.
The CIS objectively has the best army in any way 1. They're mostly droids and no lack of creativity can make them worse than any organic being They cost almost nothing Incredibly easy to produce Very little logistics problems (no food, no sleep, no needs apart from energy and fuel) Literally change the programming to train them for other things If there's a problem with the programming that can be fixed Are they stupid? Yes they are but they don't question orders and do what they must do. Decent enough orders cover up any need for creativity Oh and did I mention they are incredibly cheap and easy to build (I did but it deserves being mentioned again) 2. Absurd variety of droids that can be used for any specific situation That's another great point that is often overlooked It is also easy to make a new design for different applications 3. Could create a hive mind making any stupidity problem non existent Every droid sees with the eyes of all of the others They can coordinate (it's a hive mind, it won't be a problem) to cut off any possible escape and effectively destroy any target
@@tuluppampam the Separatists’ main drawback there is that they’re all penny-pinchers. Many of the features you’re talking about would’ve upped the cost of their droids. For instance, battle droids were designed to cheap and expendable rather than combat-effective. The Separatists chose to keep them frail and stupid because it would’ve cost too much to at least improve their intelligence. Plus, they had the super battle droids by the time the Clone Wars began.
There is no "perfect" capital ship. Every ship represents the best and worst of its designers... culture. The Imperial Star Destroyer is exemplary in firepower but has a exposed bridge. The MC80 had great shielding but couldn't match its counter parts in firepower. Shall I go on? Edit: If we are including the new trilogy the Resurgent Class is probably the closest you can get to "perfect".
Grand Admiral Thrawn Oh please, cultures can be understood and appreciated, but that hardly means some aren't superior to others. Or do you concede that the culture of the Ewoks is equivalent to the culture of the Chiss?
Sorry boss, but I have to call bull on this one. You used standard line ships for the other three factions; but for the rebels you use the one off flag ship and not the more numerous Liberty. I think the comparison might have come out different had you done that. I'm not a big commentor type, had to call you out on this one. Anyway happy new year and keep the content coming.
he DID say that he was listing the ships one most often would associate with each faction. so he wasnt entirely wrong. but i suppose you're right as well.
One thing you always ignore are the costs it is a difference if you could send 3 venator(50.000.000 kredits) stardestroyer or 1 imperial 2 stardestroyer(145.000.000 kredits) in a battle. Or the crew you need to opperate it. Venator: 7.000 Imperial 2: 36.755
I feel bias here. I thought the Providence was going to be at least in the top 2... You also didnt mention the power generation issues coming from the MC80 as a retrofitted civilian ship. It wasnt designed as a purpose built warship. Also you tell me a tri-fighter isnt as good as any organic piloted starfighter(no jedi). And a side point...I looked at the scale of the Venator, can you really squeeze ~450 fighters and bombers/shuttles in there? Considering the depictions of the hangar, I cannot trust that number to be accurate. It would be more like half that number
Michael Hanson i cannot trust as well the number of star wars, the resurgent star destroyer have 1500 turbo lasers (no joke), the fact that imperial star destroyer can erase life on a planet with bike sized explosion ruclips.net/video/6uDy3PU2wyM/видео.html and so on. Btw am i the only one bothered with the star wars ship never being under or over an another ship or station? Or how can they even turn? Or have enough fuel? I smell a disturbance in the force here.
Well I can accept in movies some level of lateral layout in space battles(after all we have way more cultural reference to surface battles than 3d space battles, and a 3d battle may have been a bit too strange looking and distracting). But in terms of pure tactical discussions for space battles we need to incorporate 3-axis battlefields and corresponding tactics. I mean what if instead of jumping in right in front of the star destroyers in Return, they positioned themselves below the star destroyers initially? The Star destroyers would nose over to point their arcs at the rebels, and the rebels could run tangental broadsides at the ventral surfaces of the star destroyers. Then again the true scope of said battle and its scale and positions would be very hard to truly capture on camera. Another point for lateral engagements in sci fi space movies.
Michael Hanson don't need, the coruscant battle is perfect, ships everywhere, the few issues i have with this are: gun not pointing below, the nose of the ships not pointing on any direction and the broadside scene wich was very awkward. This is not necessary to put in crazy stuff, just that would have perfectly fit. For the episode 6 final battle adding a ludicrous amount of small star destroyer's silouhette to complement the bigger one would have as well perfectly fit, just reinforcing the feeling of a hopeless situation with a consistent endless tide of ships.
Michael Hanson btw star trek show satisfying 3d space battle (the space attack on the borg cube is a perfect exemple, you just see ships flying around in 3d) And i don't have issue with the gun in star trek because the ships are so much more maneuvrable that it don't matter as much as the slow moving SD. Finally my objective by pointing out the bad placement of gun was as well to destroy the idea that the mon cal ship have such a great placement of their weapon according to eckharts. Well unless you compare them with other star wars ship... maybe the providence class/cruiser/carrier/wathever have the same weapon placement
Personally, I just think the CIS are a better army overall. Had the war been "real" (as in not used for Palpatine to gain power and what-not), I'm certain the CIS would have triumphed over the Republic.
yeah im a huge clone/venator fan but i have to admit that a galacical war fought by ca 11 million clones and only a very onesided fleet is rather stupid
NomNomerz.- The war was orchestrated by palpatine to make it look like palps was the only thing holding of the confederate horde, so it's likely that without palp's interference, the seps would've of won. A chap i read about a while back took the time to do all the calculations, and the development of one clone would cost the same as 99 battle droids, 46 super battle droids or 8 destroyer droids, somewhat justifying dooku 's claim that the seps outnumbered the republic 100 to 1, therefore, we can assume that the republic would of likely lost the war due to economic strain and debt, rather then military loss (economic strain was reinforced a lot in the clone wars tv show as well) this was worsened unimaginably during a clone wars tv arc, where there was a crisis over the banks, during said crisis dooku managed to clear all debts on the seps, giving them a massive economic advantage. meanwhile, the sep's navy outnumbered the republic 4 to one, but a major problem with the seps was the fact that a lot of systems demanded confederate protection, so Dooku and grievous were forced to use only a portion of their forces offensive capabilities. additionally, the seps had about a third of the republic's territory, which although seems like a liability, actually maximizes their numerical advantage.
Legatus Sedricillius Another thing to note is that takes at least 9 years for a clone trooper to be fully developed and combat ready, it only takes at most a month to make the standard b1 battledroid.
The laser in the hangar is also present in Star Wars Battlefront II on a few occasions so I would say it is not uncommon but is also not used too widely
+General Grievous Nah, it was a mod. No way that weapon is standard for every venator, it's too powerful therefor it must be very expensive and the republic definitely couldn't afford to have it on every venator.
I've always figured that in a one on one fight a venator would be able to destroy an ISD with minimal damage because of the amount of star fighters it carries. Let's imagine a scenario, in open space an ISD and a venator come in contact, if the venator can launch all its fighters while either keeping it's distance from the ISD or maneuvering itself into an area where it can't be fully engaged (the ISD's stern or underbelly) then it's basically a guarantied win. The tie fighters will be massacred by the superior and more numerous republic star fighters, then the ISD will be out of fighters and with no point defense system, and will be helpless to stop the venator's y-wings and arc-170s. Thoughts anyone?
Not calling you out on anything but v-wings were only bombers in BF2 they're actually interceptors Just realised that the guy edited his comment and now this reply is irrelevant
@@amazoncouch7116 Bit late but ARC's still carried Proton Torpedo's, if they hit key points in the ISD (i.e. shield generator, engines), or disable most of the turbolasers on one side of the ISD, the Venator can swoop in and finish it off with it's 4 powerful DBY-827 Dual Turbolaser Cannons.
Completly agree, my list would be: 1. Providence 2. Venator 3. MC80 (Liberty, not Home One) 4. ISD Reasoning: The Providence was built in the same era as the Venator and with its droid fighters with superior maneuverability it could distract the Venator's starfighters. The providence could then close in and with its significantly greater firepower it would go out victorious. The Venator would be able to defeat the ISD by your description, and just the same when it is put against the MC80 of which has less starfighters (@The Pilot). When it comes to the MC80 vs ISD match, I believe that the Liberty Class would be able to win the same way the Venator beats the ISD, and because the MC80 has strong shielding it would be able to occupy the ISD's firepower while its fighters destroy it's vital components.
@@clementjacquet2333 here comes the veneratyor, either angling their belly towards the ISD or manuver to its side or behind or below it to reduce or eliminate the their open top for a few moments and drop something like 400 fightersized crafts - the interceptors of them goes after the 72 ties in numbers like 3:1 while the slithly slower but heavier fightercrafts and bombers just laughs and unleash upon the ISD gun placements (often show in thje clone wars) and superstructre and shield generators to weaken the ISD - venetor reengage from a "better" angle (behind, below or from one side) and uses tehir heaver guns to punch bigger holes into the ISD less defended side while 200-300 fighter crafts still mercilessly ounds the ISD, not all hits does damage due to the armour plates but slowly just blasting it apart - destorying gun emplacemtnts sensors and communications while slowly turning it into slag of molten durasteel Beeing able to engage and beeing winning isnt the same
General Grievous juggernaut stomps at at , atte, maybe the cis supertank? But then it could be rammed, like, the turbotanks goes at 110 km/h i think, so yeah ramming would probably be the best idea.
Jonas Brauer trust me, if it were design only the atte would win above all other vehicle, but the juggernauf is....well the name is self explainatory, its litteraly one and a half time higher than an at at and packs WAY more firepower , also, virtually every large walker(more than 8 meters) in fiction, not just sw, is fucking impractical, the closest to a practical large walker i know of are the metal gear rex and the scarab , the atte was THIS close, but it is an artillery , not a tank, the gunner doesn't have cover, and the pilot only has a weak AF canopy to protect himself, also we're saying "best" , so that doesn't take size difference into account, against pretty much anything of its size the atte stompw but we are counting everything. Sidenote, the seismic tank would be number one but i think calling it a land vehicle is cheating a bit
thibaut jourdain Yea, but exactly because it's so much better it wouldn't be fair against the AT-AT, the Supertank, the T4-B-Tank, the AT-M6 or any other thing.
its a good idea, but a COMPLETE stomp in favor of the replicators, due to a number of reasons 1; the replicators are almost COMPLETELY immune to energy weapons, basically the only type of weapon used in starwars 2; the replicators can and will seek out and devour the most advanced tech they can find, then upgrade it even farther 3; the replicators also will have all the same features as what ever material they have consumed to make more of them selves 4; there is also an unlimited number of replicators, and as long as even one survives, they can replicate and come back again, with all the same tech they had last time plus whatever they can eat this time that's all i can think of for now, but yeah, the starwars galaxy has almost no hope of defeating the replicators
yeah, the ARG is why i said almost completely immune, that and certain capital ship weapons can hurt them though that scene may just be partly due to the replicator ship breaking up to infect the planet
I feel like it's also important to remember that these ships wouldn't be going into battle alone. The ISD-2 and the Venator lacked firepower, but they were backed up on that front by the Victory-Class and the Acclamator, respectively.
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CIS as they had way more droids and droids were better than stormies (cough cough droideka) and they had the plans for the death star and they had their massive ion cannon ships.
To your point about the Imperial fleet's major weakness being the fact that it relies too heavily on a single ship type instead of being rounded out with others: The Arquitens-class light cruiser and the Raider-class corvette both exist in canon. It just that they weren't in the films. It really created a huge plot hole when these ships were retroactively created and brought into canon. If the Imperials had ships that were capable of covering for the weaknesses of their Star Destroyers, why did they never use a single one in any of the engagements in the original trilogy? The rebels never would have destroyed the first Death Star if there were ships protecting it that could have taken down their fighters before they got close. Likewise they never would have escaped Hoth and never would have succeeded at Endor if the Empire had just made use of the ships they had available and rounded out their fleet composition. So why didn't they? There was no reason not to. It would have made a lot more sense if the Arquitens, Raider and other small Imperial ships simply hadn't existed. The only valid explanation is that not a single officer in the Imperial Navy had any idea how to put together a competent fleet. And that's just silly.
I feel like the Imperial 2 has the most potential to be the best capitol ship. However if the question is which is best without a support fleet then yes it has flaws. But I feel like a few support ships and it wrecks everything on this list.
Which raises a point. The Empire could surely have afforded a fleet of corvettes and light cruisers to escort the ISD's around. So what are they doing refusing to do so?
It's because they underestimated the Rebels and only really build ISD's for intimidation factors, any random uprising would just get annihilated by a single ISD, the Rebels were actually organised and used their strenghts very effectively.
Star Destroyers are powerful at range. But Mon Calamaris are better at closer range as they can take more damage than the Star Destroyers. Basically, MC will match a SD's fire power at closer range but then gives the MC an advantage over the SD as they can take more damage.
@@zam023 the ISD Are better than the MC in close range as ackbar said “At that distance we’ll not last against those Star destroyers”, The Turbolaser Turret of the ISD 1 was too strong to pen every shield in service at time and the ISD 2 canons as well
Here's a couple of Verses suggestions for you to do. *1. Imperial II-class Star Destroyer (Star Wars) vs Lucrehulk-class Droid Control Ship (Star Wars)* *2. D'deridex class Romulan Warbird (Star Trek) vs Imperial II-class Star Destroyer (Star Wars)*
Flaming Demons - well, to be brutally honest, The empires Navy while powerful, had some awful decisions behind it **cough** _tarkin doctrine_ **cough**
This has probably something to do with the design of the old trilogy. The Republic and the CIS usually brought army of similar size into battle. You cannot say that about the empire and the rebels. The empire usually outnumbered the alliance at least 5:1. So the alliance had some pretty amazing plot amor, which was later changed into "superior" technology. For instance the rebel ships had better shielding then the empire, that seems a little bit odd, considering that the empire usually takes what it wants. I am just saying, that a lot of the rebel superiority comes from changed plot amor.
@@wargearinternational7679X wing were not really that superior to tie fighters. Their only advantages were shields and hyperdrives. Ties didn't need hyperdrives because they were carried by larger ships and could make up by their lack of shields eith their maneuverability.
Suggestions The Empire (Legends) vs Tyranid Leviathan invasion. CIS Fleet at the battle for Coruscant vs The Covenant Fleet at High Charity. NTF (SCP Foundation) vs ODSTs (Halo). The Thinking Machines (Dune) vs The Borg
I have a little issue with how you have ranked these ships due to you deciding to have starfighters as a factor. You have ranked the providence down because it doesn't have good fighters and yet you didn't take that into consideration for the ISD II. So I would have ranked this overall with MC80/Providence then Venator then ISD II. I feel that the Providence is a very good ship. With plenty of firepower and the fact it can take a lot of punishment like venators. Venators however are unable to output more firepower compared to any other ship in this comparison and having a huge weak spot that is the hangars. I believe in a earlier video comparing the standard starfighters the TIE was bottom compared to every other starfighter even droid starfighters due to being unable to effectively use swarm tactics.
I would have assumed the Lucrehulk was the CIS main capital ship, rather than the Providence. We see more Lucrehulks than Providences throughout the Clone Wars as the main combatant in ship to ship operations.
ISD 2 had 72 fighters while the venator has 420 and the ISD carries around 6 walkers (2 at-at's 4 at-st's) and 7,000 stormtroopers while the venator carriers 24 walkers and 2,000 clones, and a pre built base and 40 LAAT's.
The MC90 was exactly what you wanted. It has somewhat more than Firepower, is close to the size of an ISD, and carries a similar fighter complement to the Home One Type.
The providence is a very well designed ship.Its said its a quarren design although they took it from the mon calamari so yeah its good.It is has more armaments form the venator and stronger guns.It has a lot of droids for boarding actions and although it has less starcraft than a venator that is dealt by the ships many armaments.It also has a heavier broadside than the venator and by opinion the design of it is pretty cool.Very good video as always.these ranking videos you make are awesome and make my day every time.Long live the Confederacy of Independent Systems!!!!
The Resurgent class Battle Cruiser (First Order Star Destroyer) is the best cap ship. Has tons of super heavy cannons AND point Defense AND a ground invasion force AND 144 Super Advanced TIEs AND its big AND it’s fast AND it’s bridge is well protected. Probably the most utterly overpowered ship of the line vessel in Star Wars
+World Wide Productions, *RESURGENT* Fighter Compliment 2 wings of fighters so that is 400 fighters, but 200 are the single pilot advanced FO ties and 200 are 2 seated advanced FO ties, 100 drop ships (unnamed drop ships), 30 ground vehicles, and 1 prefabricated ground base. Traditional Weapons It has 1,500 heavy turbolasers (on the top none on the bottom and no other turbolasers), an unspecified number of point defense cannons (but they are all on the bottom of the ship), an unspecified number of point defense missiles (they are on the top and bottom), and 2 tractor beam projectors. Personnel 19,000 Officers 55,000 Crew 8,000 Stormtroopers *Venator* Fighter Compliment Now the Venator has 192 V-wing's, 36 ARC's, and 192 ETA 2 class interceptors (totaling at 420 fighters), 40 LAAT gunship's/transpors (each has 3 anti infantry lasers, 4 laser turrets, 2 mass driver missile launchers{each has 30 missiles}, 8 air to air rockets, unknown amount of EMP grenade launchers), 24 walkers, Unknown amount of shuttles, and 1 prefabricated base. Traditional Weapons The Venator has 16 heavy turbolasers, 2 medium turbolasers, and 52 point defense cannons, 6 tractor beams, 4 proton torpedo tubes and they fire 16 each at a time. Personnel 7,400 Crew 2,000 Clones the Shielding is roughly equivalent as the resurgent focuses almost all of it's power into it's 1,500 turbolasers. So as far as a mainline battleship I would go with the venator (just because well it is half the size and is much much much cheaper and it carries more higher quality fighters.) But if you are the type to go with the massive super gunned ship go with the resurgence, but it is super expensive and as far as crew goes the venator is very well off.
+World Wide Productions, It's honestly not that good to be big lol and it's not *that* fast, and it still has an overexposed bridge but it is super expensive and the number of ships reflects that.
The Venator-class will always be my favourite capital ship as it is very versatile. especially in most of the Empire at War mods I've played generally when I jump into a system I just have the Venators hang back and overwhelm the enemy with swarms of starfighters. if anything slips through it generally has been weakened enough for my fleet to dispatch with ease. if my starfighters are depleted I simply retreat and come back with a fresh load of starfighters. rinse, repeat, victory.
It was an artillery walker stored in the Venetor. But it came in handy because an enemy Munificent was perfectly angled to get shot by the artillery. But this was situational
In my opinion the imperial 2 class is an extremely efficient ship in most situations despite it major flaws. Like you said if the empire had used more support ships they would have won Endor easy. Put a few anti fighter corvettes around a single star destroyer and you would have a nearly unstoppable force.
I do disagree with putting the Venator above the Providence. They were designed specifically to be able to take them on and proved time and again they could do just that. The point is moot though, as the primary Capital Ship of the CIS was, in fact, the Lucrehulk. I assume they were not mentioned here as their ridiculous size puts them far ahead of any other listed ship and it might help to categorise them separately as some sort of higher class.
InevitableVitare Nah, a Venator can outgun a Providence. The Providence only has 14 turbolaser batteries, and since the ship isn't in a dagger shape, only half can be used at once. And the Venator's turrets are exceptionally powerful.
I agree with all your results on this one. Liberty was my favorite MC80 design though. Empire should have spammed Lancers, or even better, Carracks to support their Star Destroyers. Would have been much more effective!
Where did you get the information that the imperial - II removed their point defense systems? I know it wasn't that way in Legends, though I seem to have fallen off the new canon material train.
The Venator-class Star Destroyer has always been my favorite cruiser of the Star Wars universe and I'm completely okay with it being at third place. I've always hoped that the New Republic will one day in canon make a new capital ship which its design will be inspired by the Venator-class Star Destroyer so it'll give off a vibe of the Republic's former glory.
I love the droids because if I had to I'd use droids but I totally agree with the droids being less superior they are quantity over quality and the ships doesn't even have quantity with star fighters
dear dear, don't you remember general? you hated that ship, it was Nute gunray's after all, and you were meant to have a subjugator as your flagship for the battle of coruscant, but a pesky republic strike team disabled it's hyperdrive. actually the seps had 3 subjugators over the course of the clone wars, the malevolance (the first one) the second was destroyed during production, and the third one was reserved for coruscant but was sabotaged.
Ehm i came back and saw that the venator is faster so if it turns and shoots the engine of the providence from the behind maybe you are right but that is not always the case and yeah.(really need advice on this i have been searching this for ever and i see venator and providence fans everywhere debating.I am a CIS fan myself but i dont know yet...
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My favorite of the four is the Venator-class star destroyer, because i like many other grew up with the ship, always thinking "Yea you going down stupid robots" everytime it would appear
Imperial Captains feared one-on-one duels with Home One (it was custom-made for Adm Ackbar), as its shields armor, and similar firepower enabled it to hold off an ISD-II long enough for the fighters to kill its TIEs, which left the ISD open to the fighters.
I feel as though I should mention that the Venator class star destroyer does have more fire power than you discuss. In the clip from Episode III you used you can see the Venators beam weapon in action.
I think that you made a mistake, the ships you named served many different purposes. The venitor, while being able to be decent front line ship, was mebt to be a carrier. You kept saying that yoy want your front line ship to have more weapons. And while that is a good point the Venitor wasn't quite built for that. I also don't think the MC 80 Home One is as effective as you said. I could hold a large number of fighters, yes. However its long thing design left many if its guns unable to fight forward. This is shown well in the game ARMADA where the MC 80 is best used for its side guns. I would rather have a Venitor at number one, as the best long range fighter support craft. And for the thr most part, that's what it did. And when starfighters are as important as they are Star Wars, I don't know why you would take any thing else.
I believe that the ISD should be on the number 1 spot and the Providence and the Venator share the second spot because they were pretty much a tie when it all comes down.
Undeniably there would be ways to improve the Venator, like lowering the command towers or implementing more weapons. Probably one of Venators biggest failures is the weapon placement. On the top of the ship are the bridges and the main hanger entrance. Two things, there you really don't won't your enemy to shoot at. But still 80% of the weapons are on this side of ship. It would have made a lot more sense to put the 8 Turbo lasers at the underbelly, rather then next to the command tower. But as you said, the Venator is a carrier and the Republic used it for most of the time like one. Most of the time the Venators would stay out of enemy weapons range and deploy there fighters for assaults on enemy capital ships. The Home One shares a similar problem with the Providence, that it is most effective at broadsiding. This makes it way more difficult to effectively use it, because you have to expose a lot of your ship, which makes you a larger target. I don't see a large problem with the fact, that the ISD did have any point defense systems, because this could be compensated for by corvettes or delegated carries. The ship was designed to fight other capital ships. And it would be pretty good at it. If a fleet of 5 ISDs would meet a fleet of 50 magnificent frigates, the ISDs would most likely win.
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The ISD should be no.1 for me. One thing people forget is the the ISD can deploy a full imperial garrison onto a planet and still retain full combat functionality. Thats why its fighter compliment is abysmally small at 72 in number despite it 1600mm length. If it swapped out this capability for more fighters then then we could be potentially looking at a fighter compliment twice that of a Venator class. A Home One on the other hand could only deploy troops or attendant equipment/vehicles as large as it's accompanying shuttles could deliver to the planet's surface. Not to mention that the power of the turbolasers on the ISD trump all the other 3 entrants to this competition. I think only the prow mounted one of the CIS Munificent class Star Frigate matches or exceeds it, and even then the frigate only has 2.
Great points and opinions on the CIS Navy, but you must remember, they're retrofitted Trade Federation ships. Before they were redone, they were civilian trade ships.
So yeah to a ship to ship battle the providence is a superior ship of the line.The fact that the venator has more fighters is true but not too many and if we are to count fighters in then we come that its a full scale battle and then the providence reiceves support from other vessels and so does the venator. Wait i found it,you should make a video on which fleet was better on 1 battle among the confederacy and the republic and one among the empire and the rebellion.Although im not too sure which one is best(with starcraft support)it has been recorden that on most 1v1 fights the providence has emerged victorious yet im not too sure.Yet again great video of yours,have a nice day.
Although its pretty obvious what fleet was superior since it won in the empire v rebels one the empire does tend to have more ships and larger ones although mlg characters and plot armor save the day for the rebellion)
Can you update this to include the first order and resistance? I love the fact that the resurgent class is a battle carrier. It’s a mix between a star destroyer and a venator. We’ve even found out recently in canon they carry more than just the two tie variants. They carry the updated tie interceptors and the larger tie bombers. Both with shields and hyper drives.
In the expanded universe, there is an Imperial splinter faction called the Greater Maldrood. You can play as it in Empire at War Thrawn's Revenge. The Greater Maldrood utilises every ship available and I mean EVERY ship available aside from the ships and vehicles used by the then New Republic. They replaced most of their TIE fighters with ARC 170s which everyone would agree is considerably better. In the RTS game it is classified as Fighter Bomber and it does a hell of a job as such. You can also build Secutor class Carriers Imperial designed carriers that as we can see, never appeared in service. It also gives you a choice to build old Republic ships, like the Venator, or the Providence. You can safely say that if the Greater Maldrood had a good resource output, they would have had the best designed fleet in the Empire, second to the Empire of the Hand in the mod of course. I think. I never looked into detail.
In 3:45 The Venator Class also have a 'Super Laser' even not stronger as Death Star Super Laser, but it's good enough to destroy a Munificent-class star frigate with a single shot, even also can destroy Imperial Star Destroyer
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Here's a couple of Verses suggestions for you to do.
*1. Imperial II-class Star Destroyer (Star Wars) vs Lucrehulk-class Droid Control Ship (Star Wars)*
*2. D'deridex class Romulan Warbird (Star Trek) vs Imperial II-class Star Destroyer (Star Wars)*
Do you think that a fleet of imperial II's and venator's would work well together considering have different their doctrines are? Also Delta squad starwars vs noble team halo
The venator gets extra points from me for its big ass red stripe
don´t forget the extra points for it being operated by clones and having quality starfighters
Sam dale I’m dying😂
João Luca Mendes oh yeah and that
Must have cost a fortune to paint it lol
Can I have one in blue or cyan?
If you insist on the Home One, a one-of-a-kind Rebel alliance ship, then we might as well use the Executor, Malevolence and Pride of the Core for the other factions.
Exactly, he shouldve used the MC80 winged type.
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Home one? that's more of a special type of capital ship, if anything it should have been the MC-80 Liberty class type of Capital ship for the Rebellion, Home One was in its own league. I don't see different types of Home Ones running around like the Imperials, the Venators and the Providences which were at least all mass produced
XLegionarre716X im assuming the old liberties are rarer now than in the EU
Probably, Disney likes the Rebellion to be the underdogs regardless of what the time period up until the battle of Endor.
Yeah, using Home One, a fleet flagship, as a standard comparison ship when they rejected Invisible Hand for the same reason? No, that's really biased on his part.
Secondly, he hinted at the Rebels having tons of different types of Mon Cal cruisers, which emphasizes one of their major drawbacks listed in Legends, which is how much of a pain they are for maintenance. The lack of a standardized design would mean everything is custom built, making maintenance more expensive. This means that they can field less of them given equal support structures.
Third, they are converted passenger liners, not purpose built warships. Passenger liners do not have the same structural design as warships, which warships are aimed for surviving combat, compartmentalization, etc. while passenger liners are aimed to be economically produced (or in the case of unique, one of a kind luxury liners, to be comfortable).
Exactly. I like this channel a lot, but the bias is unfortunately there sometimes. Sure it's difficult to compare specific types of warships that pretty much do the exact same thing for their respective faction but if we're gonna compare a proper flagship to those mass produced by the other 3 factions then it may as well be:
Home One (Rebellion)
Resolute (Republic)
Invisible Hand (Separatists)
Devastator or Chimera (Empire, no point putting in Executor considering that's very one sided)
All well known Flagships. Having Home One put up against mass produced, stock, bog standard ships of each faction is far too one sided.
I did see a number of home ones during the battle of endor. I personally think they became more of a "serious" fleet capital choice
I'm confused. You used the standard Providence Class Carrier for the Separatists, instead of using one of its variants, but instead of using the more common MC-80 Liberty for the Rebel Alliance, you used the modified Home One?
The Cool Persian he loves the home one.. u can tell from all the vids he uses the home one in
Yah, if he's using the Home One he needs to use the Invisable Hand for the CIS. Either use modified or don't, lol😂
To use my favorite quote
"Another biased victory for the grand army of the Republic" except here its rebel alliance
Cough....cough.... he like Mom calamari ships that why the rebels always win even though venator a in a straight up war will be one of the most combat effective ships
And if he is using the home one he should use the venator a of open circle armada armed with the laser thingy
Well... Venator gets #1 for sexiest ship
Providence > Venator
TheIosPro HS agreed
My guy hitting it home
Ksgamer103
You misspelled Providence
TheIosPro HS not agreed
You used the Home One for the rebels but standard ships for the other factions? That's very biased of you. If you used Admiral Trenches Invincible the turnout for your winner would have been much different and more in favor of the Separatists.
Joshua Parson he should have used the invincible for the cis, and the resolute for the republic.
I agree. Whilst I agree with the Home One being the best capital ship the modified Invincible would be number 2 instead of last. And the standard Providence could easily take out the Venator in a one on one fight. The main probable with the separatists is that they didn’t have enough resources to just build Providence classes.
@@marineduard6901 I agree with the Resolute being the representative for the Republic. She was one fine lady.
The home one is a regular mc80 independence
@@Michael-ff1tw Sure. And I'm actually British.
I can't take Imperial Star Destroyers seriously after they keep being casually blown up in _Rebels._ I'm a fan of the show, but that particularly bugs me.
I don't take almost any of the Empire's defeats seriously in that show.
Rebels is a badly written show for kids.
Acolyte has a point. The bad writing means the heroes win mostly because of plot. In stories from both canon and legends, Star Destroyers easily tear the rebels apart pretty much every time they face them.
Plot armor my dude
I can take very few of the Empire/First Order's defeats seriously
The Venator is the best ship for the war it participated in. In the clone wars, there was a heavy focus on starfighters, which is why the frontline ships of the time had a large starfighter complement. The MC80 is heavily shielded and armored because in that war there was more of a focus of duking it out between the two factions. So despite having fewer weapons, it could take a beating while letting it's snub fighters take out the star destroyer. So it becomes very hard to compare these four factions because they are set to specialize in different wars.
I'm surprised that you didn't use the Lucrehulk-class Droid Control Ship as a capital ship for the CIS. That one would've made the CIS faction come higher.
It could have but it’s mostly used for planetary invasions and fighter carrier due to its large storage
No it wouldnt, Eckhart has some serious bias against the CIS and alot of bias in favour of mon cals
@@James-pt2vk fr, dude used base models for everyone, even brought it up when getting to the cis, but then used the home one lmao
The CIS objectively has the best army in any way
1. They're mostly droids and no lack of creativity can make them worse than any organic being
They cost almost nothing
Incredibly easy to produce
Very little logistics problems (no food, no sleep, no needs apart from energy and fuel)
Literally change the programming to train them for other things
If there's a problem with the programming that can be fixed
Are they stupid? Yes they are but they don't question orders and do what they must do. Decent enough orders cover up any need for creativity
Oh and did I mention they are incredibly cheap and easy to build (I did but it deserves being mentioned again)
2. Absurd variety of droids that can be used for any specific situation
That's another great point that is often overlooked
It is also easy to make a new design for different applications
3. Could create a hive mind making any stupidity problem non existent
Every droid sees with the eyes of all of the others
They can coordinate (it's a hive mind, it won't be a problem) to cut off any possible escape and effectively destroy any target
@@tuluppampam the Separatists’ main drawback there is that they’re all penny-pinchers. Many of the features you’re talking about would’ve upped the cost of their droids. For instance, battle droids were designed to cheap and expendable rather than combat-effective. The Separatists chose to keep them frail and stupid because it would’ve cost too much to at least improve their intelligence. Plus, they had the super battle droids by the time the Clone Wars began.
There is no "perfect" capital ship. Every ship represents the best and worst of its designers... culture. The Imperial Star Destroyer is exemplary in firepower but has a exposed bridge. The MC80 had great shielding but couldn't match its counter parts in firepower. Shall I go on?
Edit: If we are including the new trilogy the Resurgent Class is probably the closest you can get to "perfect".
Grand Admiral Thrawn yes do one in the Republic and CIS ships
Grand Admiral Thrawn Please do
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Grand Admiral Thrawn Oh please, cultures can be understood and appreciated, but that hardly means some aren't superior to others. Or do you concede that the culture of the Ewoks is equivalent to the culture of the Chiss?
Sorry boss, but I have to call bull on this one. You used standard line ships for the other three factions; but for the rebels you use the one off flag ship and not the more numerous Liberty. I think the comparison might have come out different had you done that. I'm not a big commentor type, had to call you out on this one. Anyway happy new year and keep the content coming.
he DID say that he was listing the ships one most often would associate with each faction. so he wasnt entirely wrong. but i suppose you're right as well.
must have missed that
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The Liberty type has always been more heavily associated as the Rebel's primary capital ship.
He also put venator above providence despite it being the superior capital ship. Adding fighter support was not neccisary
drksideofthewal, to those who delve into star wars lore, yes. To those who dont, they see it as the most rememberable ship the rebels have.
One thing you always ignore are the costs it is a difference if you could send 3 venator(50.000.000 kredits) stardestroyer or 1 imperial 2 stardestroyer(145.000.000 kredits) in a battle. Or the crew you need to opperate it.
Venator: 7.000
Imperial 2: 36.755
I feel bias here. I thought the Providence was going to be at least in the top 2... You also didnt mention the power generation issues coming from the MC80 as a retrofitted civilian ship. It wasnt designed as a purpose built warship. Also you tell me a tri-fighter isnt as good as any organic piloted starfighter(no jedi). And a side point...I looked at the scale of the Venator, can you really squeeze ~450 fighters and bombers/shuttles in there? Considering the depictions of the hangar, I cannot trust that number to be accurate. It would be more like half that number
Michael Hanson i cannot trust as well the number of star wars, the resurgent star destroyer have 1500 turbo lasers (no joke), the fact that imperial star destroyer can erase life on a planet with bike sized explosion ruclips.net/video/6uDy3PU2wyM/видео.html and so on.
Btw am i the only one bothered with the star wars ship never being under or over an another ship or station? Or how can they even turn? Or have enough fuel? I smell a disturbance in the force here.
I mean it's literally a civilian ship and no matter how modified the thing shouldn't even be comparable to the 3 warships.
Well I can accept in movies some level of lateral layout in space battles(after all we have way more cultural reference to surface battles than 3d space battles, and a 3d battle may have been a bit too strange looking and distracting). But in terms of pure tactical discussions for space battles we need to incorporate 3-axis battlefields and corresponding tactics. I mean what if instead of jumping in right in front of the star destroyers in Return, they positioned themselves below the star destroyers initially? The Star destroyers would nose over to point their arcs at the rebels, and the rebels could run tangental broadsides at the ventral surfaces of the star destroyers. Then again the true scope of said battle and its scale and positions would be very hard to truly capture on camera. Another point for lateral engagements in sci fi space movies.
Michael Hanson don't need, the coruscant battle is perfect, ships everywhere, the few issues i have with this are: gun not pointing below, the nose of the ships not pointing on any direction and the broadside scene wich was very awkward. This is not necessary to put in crazy stuff, just that would have perfectly fit.
For the episode 6 final battle adding a ludicrous amount of small star destroyer's silouhette to complement the bigger one would have as well perfectly fit, just reinforcing the feeling of a hopeless situation with a consistent endless tide of ships.
Michael Hanson btw star trek show satisfying 3d space battle (the space attack on the borg cube is a perfect exemple, you just see ships flying around in 3d)
And i don't have issue with the gun in star trek because the ships are so much more maneuvrable that it don't matter as much as the slow moving SD.
Finally my objective by pointing out the bad placement of gun was as well to destroy the idea that the mon cal ship have such a great placement of their weapon according to eckharts. Well unless you compare them with other star wars ship... maybe the providence class/cruiser/carrier/wathever have the same weapon placement
I find the providence to be way better than any other capital ship, but the CIS generally has the best fleet I think
Personally, I just think the CIS are a better army overall. Had the war been "real" (as in not used for Palpatine to gain power and what-not), I'm certain the CIS would have triumphed over the Republic.
yeah im a huge clone/venator fan but i have to admit that a galacical war fought by ca 11 million clones and only a very onesided fleet is rather stupid
NomNomerz I completely agree,though I am biased in the C.I.S's favor.
NomNomerz.-
The war was orchestrated by palpatine to make it look like palps was the only thing holding of the confederate horde, so it's likely that without palp's interference, the seps would've of won. A chap i read about a while back took the time to do all the calculations, and the development of one clone would cost the same as 99 battle droids, 46 super battle droids or 8 destroyer droids, somewhat justifying dooku 's claim that the seps outnumbered the republic 100 to 1, therefore, we can assume that the republic would of likely lost the war due to economic strain and debt, rather then military loss (economic strain was reinforced a lot in the clone wars tv show as well) this was worsened unimaginably during a clone wars tv arc, where there was a crisis over the banks, during said crisis dooku managed to clear all debts on the seps, giving them a massive economic advantage. meanwhile, the sep's navy outnumbered the republic 4 to one, but a major problem with the seps was the fact that a lot of systems demanded confederate protection, so Dooku and grievous were forced to use only a portion of their forces offensive capabilities. additionally, the seps had about a third of the republic's territory, which although seems like a liability, actually maximizes their numerical advantage.
Legatus Sedricillius Another thing to note is that takes at least 9 years for a clone trooper to be fully developed and combat ready, it only takes at most a month to make the standard b1 battledroid.
The laser in the hangar is also present in Star Wars Battlefront II on a few occasions so I would say it is not uncommon but is also not used too widely
General Grievous I think that was Anakin’s idea for his fleet so I wouldn’t bet on it being used by others
Anakin isn't in Battlefront 2 (I'm talking about the 2017 one not the 2005 one)
+General Grievous
Nah, it was a mod. No way that weapon is standard for every venator, it's too powerful therefor it must be very expensive and the republic definitely couldn't afford to have it on every venator.
no it was just anakins idea in general and they started doing it to all that they could.
and it probably required the Venator to severly damage or take down another ships shield before it could K.O. the thing like we saw in ROTS
I've always figured that in a one on one fight a venator would be able to destroy an ISD with minimal damage because of the amount of star fighters it carries. Let's imagine a scenario, in open space an ISD and a venator come in contact, if the venator can launch all its fighters while either keeping it's distance from the ISD or maneuvering itself into an area where it can't be fully engaged (the ISD's stern or underbelly) then it's basically a guarantied win. The tie fighters will be massacred by the superior and more numerous republic star fighters, then the ISD will be out of fighters and with no point defense system, and will be helpless to stop the venator's y-wings and arc-170s.
Thoughts anyone?
Not calling you out on anything but v-wings were only bombers in BF2 they're actually interceptors
Just realised that the guy edited his comment and now this reply is irrelevant
@@amazoncouch7116 Bit late but ARC's still carried Proton Torpedo's, if they hit key points in the ISD (i.e. shield generator, engines), or disable most of the turbolasers on one side of the ISD, the Venator can swoop in and finish it off with it's 4 powerful DBY-827 Dual Turbolaser Cannons.
Completly agree, my list would be: 1. Providence 2. Venator 3. MC80 (Liberty, not Home One) 4. ISD
Reasoning: The Providence was built in the same era as the Venator and with its droid fighters with superior maneuverability it could distract the Venator's starfighters. The providence could then close in and with its significantly greater firepower it would go out victorious. The Venator would be able to defeat the ISD by your description, and just the same when it is put against the MC80 of which has less starfighters (@The Pilot). When it comes to the MC80 vs ISD match, I believe that the Liberty Class would be able to win the same way the Venator beats the ISD, and because the MC80 has strong shielding it would be able to occupy the ISD's firepower while its fighters destroy it's vital components.
I think that the isd could take on every of those ships in an one one Battel if used right.
@@clementjacquet2333 here comes the veneratyor, either angling their belly towards the ISD or manuver to its side or behind or below it to reduce or eliminate the their open top for a few moments and drop something like 400 fightersized crafts - the interceptors of them goes after the 72 ties in numbers like 3:1 while the slithly slower but heavier fightercrafts and bombers just laughs and unleash upon the ISD gun placements (often show in thje clone wars) and superstructre and shield generators to weaken the ISD - venetor reengage from a "better" angle (behind, below or from one side) and uses tehir heaver guns to punch bigger holes into the ISD less defended side while 200-300 fighter crafts still mercilessly ounds the ISD, not all hits does damage due to the armour plates but slowly just blasting it apart - destorying gun emplacemtnts sensors and communications while slowly turning it into slag of molten durasteel
Beeing able to engage and beeing winning isnt the same
Do one on the best land vehicles
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General Grievous juggernaut stomps at at , atte, maybe the cis supertank? But then it could be rammed, like, the turbotanks goes at 110 km/h i think, so yeah ramming would probably be the best idea.
thibaut jourdain We could take AT-TE instead of the Juggernaut.
Jonas Brauer trust me, if it were design only the atte would win above all other vehicle, but the juggernauf is....well the name is self explainatory, its litteraly one and a half time higher than an at at and packs WAY more firepower , also, virtually every large walker(more than 8 meters) in fiction, not just sw, is fucking impractical, the closest to a practical large walker i know of are the metal gear rex and the scarab , the atte was THIS close, but it is an artillery , not a tank, the gunner doesn't have cover, and the pilot only has a weak AF canopy to protect himself, also we're saying "best" , so that doesn't take size difference into account, against pretty much anything of its size the atte stompw but we are counting everything.
Sidenote, the seismic tank would be number one but i think calling it a land vehicle is cheating a bit
thibaut jourdain
Yea, but exactly because it's so much better it wouldn't be fair against the AT-AT, the Supertank, the T4-B-Tank, the AT-M6 or any other thing.
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its a good idea, but a COMPLETE stomp in favor of the replicators, due to a number of reasons
1; the replicators are almost COMPLETELY immune to energy weapons, basically the only type of weapon used in starwars
2; the replicators can and will seek out and devour the most advanced tech they can find, then upgrade it even farther
3; the replicators also will have all the same features as what ever material they have consumed to make more of them selves
4; there is also an unlimited number of replicators, and as long as even one survives, they can replicate and come back again, with all the same tech they had last time plus whatever they can eat this time
that's all i can think of for now, but yeah, the starwars galaxy has almost no hope of defeating the replicators
yeah, the ARG is why i said almost completely immune, that and certain capital ship weapons can hurt them
though that scene may just be partly due to the replicator ship breaking up to infect the planet
maybe, dunno
I feel like it's also important to remember that these ships wouldn't be going into battle alone.
The ISD-2 and the Venator lacked firepower, but they were backed up on that front by the Victory-Class and the Acclamator, respectively.
“ISD-2 lacked firepower”
Most heavily armed ship on the list
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Still watching this in 2020 so the “Happy New Year 2017!” throws me for a loop.
Please do which faction had the best heavy land vehicle! It should be AT-TE vs AT-AT vs AT-M6 vs the Spider Walker
Not Spider Walker, rather an MTT or the Super tank.
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CIS vs Empire
Juju the Homs empire
Empire wins easily
CIS as they had way more droids and droids were better than stormies (cough cough droideka) and they had the plans for the death star and they had their massive ion cannon ships.
TheMatrixGamer nope, Cis
CIS
To your point about the Imperial fleet's major weakness being the fact that it relies too heavily on a single ship type instead of being rounded out with others: The Arquitens-class light cruiser and the Raider-class corvette both exist in canon. It just that they weren't in the films. It really created a huge plot hole when these ships were retroactively created and brought into canon. If the Imperials had ships that were capable of covering for the weaknesses of their Star Destroyers, why did they never use a single one in any of the engagements in the original trilogy? The rebels never would have destroyed the first Death Star if there were ships protecting it that could have taken down their fighters before they got close. Likewise they never would have escaped Hoth and never would have succeeded at Endor if the Empire had just made use of the ships they had available and rounded out their fleet composition. So why didn't they? There was no reason not to. It would have made a lot more sense if the Arquitens, Raider and other small Imperial ships simply hadn't existed. The only valid explanation is that not a single officer in the Imperial Navy had any idea how to put together a competent fleet. And that's just silly.
I feel like the Imperial 2 has the most potential to be the best capitol ship. However if the question is which is best without a support fleet then yes it has flaws. But I feel like a few support ships and it wrecks everything on this list.
Which raises a point. The Empire could surely have afforded a fleet of corvettes and light cruisers to escort the ISD's around. So what are they doing refusing to do so?
It's because they underestimated the Rebels and only really build ISD's for intimidation factors, any random uprising would just get annihilated by a single ISD, the Rebels were actually organised and used their strenghts very effectively.
Star Destroyers are powerful at range. But Mon Calamaris are better at closer range as they can take more damage than the Star Destroyers. Basically, MC will match a SD's fire power at closer range but then gives the MC an advantage over the SD as they can take more damage.
give it decent fighers and it wrecks everything
@@zam023 the ISD Are better than the MC in close range as ackbar said “At that distance we’ll not last against those Star destroyers”, The Turbolaser Turret of the ISD 1 was too strong to pen every shield in service at time and the ISD 2 canons as well
Here's a couple of Verses suggestions for you to do.
*1. Imperial II-class Star Destroyer (Star Wars) vs Lucrehulk-class Droid Control Ship (Star Wars)*
*2. D'deridex class Romulan Warbird (Star Trek) vs Imperial II-class Star Destroyer (Star Wars)*
You’re just suggesting Star Trek Vs Star Wars to get people mad
Maybe you can compare the main tanks of any 4 factions. By tanks I mean main vehicle if that wasn’t clear
Aleksa Trifunovic
AT-TE for life.
Most adaptable in many different situations, moreso than many others.
Andrew Bloomfield Um AT-M6 has the power to take out something like a shield over a base
Andrew Bloomfield But the AT-M6 might have the greatest firepower the AT-TE can be much more useful in certain situations
Stakuga The Undying but the AT-M6 if absolutely retarded and shouldn’t be canon so whatever lol
Charter for Deviancy What does that have to do with anything lol?
Do a version of best capital ships for halo mass effect etc
Shadow Bitz yes please
The Mantle’s Approach by far wins
DickingBimbos Mantle’s Approach isn’t a typical Forerunner ship IIRC.
Seems like the same story every time: The Rebels are the best, the Republic and CIS battle for 2nd and 3rd and the Empire is garbage.
Flaming Demons - well, to be brutally honest, The empires Navy while powerful, had some awful decisions behind it **cough** _tarkin doctrine_ **cough**
This has probably something to do with the design of the old trilogy. The Republic and the CIS usually brought army of similar size into battle.
You cannot say that about the empire and the rebels. The empire usually outnumbered the alliance at least 5:1. So the alliance had some pretty amazing plot amor, which was later changed into "superior" technology.
For instance the rebel ships had better shielding then the empire, that seems a little bit odd, considering that the empire usually takes what it wants.
I am just saying, that a lot of the rebel superiority comes from changed plot amor.
wargearinternational The given reason was that the empire never properly conquered mon calamari who had the best tech.
@@wargearinternational7679X wing were not really that superior to tie fighters. Their only advantages were shields and hyperdrives. Ties didn't need hyperdrives because they were carried by larger ships and could make up by their lack of shields eith their maneuverability.
What's next best armour? *Sarcasm*
*When you love the providence* lol
Which faction had the best bomber?
The venator may have flawes but it was still in my opinion the most beautiful ship of all of them.
"...is primarily a carrier, which is strange for a frontline capital ship..."
The US: "Uh... about that..."
T-70 X-Wing VS E-Wing
Also, Happy New Year!
Suggestions
The Empire (Legends) vs Tyranid Leviathan invasion.
CIS Fleet at the battle for Coruscant vs The Covenant Fleet at High Charity.
NTF (SCP Foundation) vs ODSTs (Halo).
The Thinking Machines (Dune) vs The Borg
Suggestions after new year.
I have a little issue with how you have ranked these ships due to you deciding to have starfighters as a factor.
You have ranked the providence down because it doesn't have good fighters and yet you didn't take that into consideration for the ISD II.
So I would have ranked this overall with MC80/Providence then Venator then ISD II.
I feel that the Providence is a very good ship. With plenty of firepower and the fact it can take a lot of punishment like venators. Venators however are unable to output more firepower compared to any other ship in this comparison and having a huge weak spot that is the hangars.
I believe in a earlier video comparing the standard starfighters the TIE was bottom compared to every other starfighter even droid starfighters due to being unable to effectively use swarm tactics.
I like how star wars ships can have a relatively simple look while still looking cool
I would have assumed the Lucrehulk was the CIS main capital ship, rather than the Providence. We see more Lucrehulks than Providences throughout the Clone Wars as the main combatant in ship to ship operations.
6 Squadrons for the ISD 2 not 6 Wings
ISD 2 had 72 fighters while the venator has 420 and the ISD carries around 6 walkers (2 at-at's 4 at-st's) and 7,000 stormtroopers while the venator carriers 24 walkers and 2,000 clones, and a pre built base and 40 LAAT's.
World Wide Productions that's what I thought. 6 wings of fighters is a lot
ISD 2 also has garrison capabiliy
The MC90 was exactly what you wanted. It has somewhat more than Firepower, is close to the size of an ISD, and carries a similar fighter complement to the Home One Type.
The providence is a very well designed ship.Its said its a quarren design although they took it from the mon calamari so yeah its good.It is has more armaments form the venator and stronger guns.It has a lot of droids for boarding actions and although it has less starcraft than a venator that is dealt by the ships many armaments.It also has a heavier broadside than the venator and by opinion the design of it is pretty cool.Very good video as always.these ranking videos you make are awesome and make my day every time.Long live the Confederacy of Independent Systems!!!!
The Resurgent class Battle Cruiser (First Order Star Destroyer) is the best cap ship. Has tons of super heavy cannons AND point Defense AND a ground invasion force AND 144 Super Advanced TIEs AND its big AND it’s fast AND it’s bridge is well protected. Probably the most utterly overpowered ship of the line vessel in Star Wars
+World Wide Productions,
*RESURGENT*
Fighter Compliment
2 wings of fighters so that is 400 fighters, but 200 are the single pilot advanced FO ties and 200 are 2 seated advanced FO ties, 100 drop ships (unnamed drop ships), 30 ground vehicles, and 1 prefabricated ground base.
Traditional Weapons
It has 1,500 heavy turbolasers (on the top none on the bottom and no other turbolasers), an unspecified number of point defense cannons (but they are all on the bottom of the ship), an unspecified number of point defense missiles (they are on the top and bottom), and 2 tractor beam projectors.
Personnel
19,000 Officers
55,000 Crew
8,000 Stormtroopers
*Venator*
Fighter Compliment
Now the Venator has 192 V-wing's, 36 ARC's, and 192 ETA 2 class interceptors (totaling at 420 fighters), 40 LAAT gunship's/transpors (each has 3 anti infantry lasers, 4 laser turrets, 2 mass driver missile launchers{each has 30 missiles}, 8 air to air rockets, unknown amount of EMP grenade launchers), 24 walkers, Unknown amount of shuttles, and 1 prefabricated base.
Traditional Weapons
The Venator has 16 heavy turbolasers, 2 medium turbolasers, and 52 point defense cannons, 6 tractor beams, 4 proton torpedo tubes and they fire 16 each at a time.
Personnel
7,400 Crew
2,000 Clones
the Shielding is roughly equivalent as the resurgent focuses almost all of it's power into it's 1,500 turbolasers.
So as far as a mainline battleship I would go with the venator (just because well it is half the size and is much much much cheaper and it carries more higher quality fighters.) But if you are the type to go with the massive super gunned ship go with the resurgence, but it is super expensive and as far as crew goes the venator is very well off.
+World Wide Productions, It's honestly not that good to be big lol and it's not *that* fast, and it still has an overexposed bridge but it is super expensive and the number of ships reflects that.
World Wide Productions home one would of beat it
Home one would get stomped because the resurgent has 1500 turbolasers and ion cannons as well as focusing on fighter superiority and point Defence
It has an internal fail save bridge if the elevated brigde was destroyed
I think the republic has the best capital ship because of it's Fighters and weaponry
plus a little plot armor.
+Papa John's little?
yea, but arc starfighters kick ass
The Venator-class will always be my favourite capital ship as it is very versatile. especially in most of the Empire at War mods I've played generally when I jump into a system I just have the Venators hang back and overwhelm the enemy with swarms of starfighters. if anything slips through it generally has been weakened enough for my fleet to dispatch with ease. if my starfighters are depleted I simply retreat and come back with a fresh load of starfighters. rinse, repeat, victory.
Also, the mon calamari ships were mostly effective because of the admirals and if the commanders of each ship were the same, the mc80s are no mached
I have never disliked a video by yousa.
Why didn't you mention the Venator's cutting laser? That thing is OP as hell.
That's because A. It's a modification and B. It's actually just a land vehicle with a superpowered turbolaser in the hanger
It was an artillery walker stored in the Venetor. But it came in handy because an enemy Munificent was perfectly angled to get shot by the artillery. But this was situational
In my opinion the imperial 2 class is an extremely efficient ship in most situations despite it major flaws. Like you said if the empire had used more support ships they would have won Endor easy. Put a few anti fighter corvettes around a single star destroyer and you would have a nearly unstoppable force.
The Venator has 62 guns, not ten :-P
I do disagree with putting the Venator above the Providence. They were designed specifically to be able to take them on and proved time and again they could do just that. The point is moot though, as the primary Capital Ship of the CIS was, in fact, the Lucrehulk. I assume they were not mentioned here as their ridiculous size puts them far ahead of any other listed ship and it might help to categorise them separately as some sort of higher class.
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Nah, a Venator can outgun a Providence. The Providence only has 14 turbolaser batteries, and since the ship isn't in a dagger shape, only half can be used at once. And the Venator's turrets are exceptionally powerful.
What about which faction had the best frigate or blockade runner?
imagine if the imperial II had extra generators instead of a hangar, then it could have a super powerful point-defense.
I agree with all your results on this one.
Liberty was my favorite MC80 design though.
Empire should have spammed Lancers, or even better, Carracks to support their Star Destroyers. Would have been much more effective!
And,If we’re talking Legends,Pursued Projects like TIE phantoms and TIE Avengers.
Which faction has the best tank?
Where did you get the information that the imperial - II removed their point defense systems? I know it wasn't that way in Legends, though I seem to have fallen off the new canon material train.
Welcome to the new canon...fells bad doesn't it?
Essex Class eu was better! long live the Extended Universe!
kemsmith the sun crusher says otherwise.
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The Venator-class Star Destroyer has always been my favorite cruiser of the Star Wars universe and I'm completely okay with it being at third place. I've always hoped that the New Republic will one day in canon make a new capital ship which its design will be inspired by the Venator-class Star Destroyer so it'll give off a vibe of the Republic's former glory.
I’ve always love the design of the Venator Star cruiser
Venator is best :P
Yay!!! another vid!!!
Edit: I was 4th.... Just saying
I love the droids because if I had to I'd use droids but I totally agree with the droids being less superior they are quantity over quality and the ships doesn't even have quantity with star fighters
But the navy was not bad the programming of our soldiers was our downfall along with manipulation
I’m watching this in 2021, a little confused for a sec when he said happy new year 2018 lol
My providence is awsome
dear dear, don't you remember general? you hated that ship, it was Nute gunray's after all, and you were meant to have a subjugator as your flagship for the battle of coruscant, but a pesky republic strike team disabled it's hyperdrive.
actually the seps had 3 subjugators over the course of the clone wars, the malevolance (the first one) the second was destroyed during production, and the third one was reserved for coruscant but was sabotaged.
General Grievous I just like the providence design the most, at least its not an arrow or a dildo
Pandinus ikr it kind of is bro fucking spaz
Ehm i came back and saw that the venator is faster so if it turns and shoots the engine of the providence from the behind maybe you are right but that is not always the case and yeah.(really need advice on this i have been searching this for ever and i see venator and providence fans everywhere debating.I am a CIS fan myself but i dont know yet...
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I always wonder that why Venator classes are always bombarded by CIS in clone wars.
But favorite ship has always been Venator!
Happy New Year Eck!
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Another completely Unbiased and Entirely Fairly won victory for the Navy of the Rebel alliance!
My favorite of the four is the Venator-class star destroyer, because i like many other grew up with the ship, always thinking "Yea you going down stupid robots" everytime it would appear
So in a 1v1 wouldn’t the venator win against the star destroyer because of its fighters
Wouldn’t the lucrehulk carrier be considered the confederacy capital ship?
AB Ormsby Yeah but due to its carrying capacity it’s mostly used for blockading planets or carrying supplies
Yes, but it’s more of a carrier.
Halopro895 yeah exactly
Imperial Captains feared one-on-one duels with Home One (it was custom-made for Adm Ackbar), as its shields armor, and similar firepower enabled it to hold off an ISD-II long enough for the fighters to kill its TIEs, which left the ISD open to the fighters.
I feel as though I should mention that the Venator class star destroyer does have more fire power than you discuss. In the clip from Episode III you used you can see the Venators beam weapon in action.
I think that you made a mistake, the ships you named served many different purposes. The venitor, while being able to be decent front line ship, was mebt to be a carrier. You kept saying that yoy want your front line ship to have more weapons. And while that is a good point the Venitor wasn't quite built for that.
I also don't think the MC 80 Home One is as effective as you said. I could hold a large number of fighters, yes. However its long thing design left many if its guns unable to fight forward. This is shown well in the game ARMADA where the MC 80 is best used for its side guns.
I would rather have a Venitor at number one, as the best long range fighter support craft. And for the thr most part, that's what it did. And when starfighters are as important as they are Star Wars, I don't know why you would take any thing else.
I believe that the ISD should be on the number 1 spot and the Providence and the Venator share the second spot because they were pretty much a tie when it all comes down.
Undeniably there would be ways to improve the Venator, like lowering the command towers or implementing more weapons.
Probably one of Venators biggest failures is the weapon placement. On the top of the ship are the bridges and the main hanger entrance. Two things, there you really don't won't your enemy to shoot at. But still 80% of the weapons are on this side of ship. It would have made a lot more sense to put the 8 Turbo lasers at the underbelly, rather then next to the command tower.
But as you said, the Venator is a carrier and the Republic used it for most of the time like one. Most of the time the Venators would stay out of enemy weapons range and deploy there fighters for assaults on enemy capital ships.
The Home One shares a similar problem with the Providence, that it is most effective at broadsiding. This makes it way more difficult to effectively use it, because you have to expose a lot of your ship, which makes you a larger target.
I don't see a large problem with the fact, that the ISD did have any point defense systems, because this could be compensated for by corvettes or delegated carries. The ship was designed to fight other capital ships. And it would be pretty good at it. If a fleet of 5 ISDs would meet a fleet of 50 magnificent frigates, the ISDs would most likely win.
well the problem is the empire never had support for isd's they just had them on their own and then corvettes and frigates on their own.
Can u do a slave one vs the ghost?
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I’m watching this exactly 2 years later. Happy New year and happy 2020! 🥳
Which faction had the best tanks??
No lucrehulk?
The ISD should be no.1 for me. One thing people forget is the the ISD can deploy a full imperial garrison onto a planet and still retain full combat functionality. Thats why its fighter compliment is abysmally small at 72 in number despite it 1600mm length. If it swapped out this capability for more fighters then then we could be potentially looking at a fighter compliment twice that of a Venator class. A Home One on the other hand could only deploy troops or attendant equipment/vehicles as large as it's accompanying shuttles could deliver to the planet's surface. Not to mention that the power of the turbolasers on the ISD trump all the other 3 entrants to this competition. I think only the prow mounted one of the CIS Munificent class Star Frigate matches or exceeds it, and even then the frigate only has 2.
Great points and opinions on the CIS Navy, but you must remember, they're retrofitted Trade Federation ships. Before they were redone, they were civilian trade ships.
Wow the Rebels actually won for once.
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LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!!!
So yeah to a ship to ship battle the providence is a superior ship of the line.The fact that the venator has more fighters is true but not too many and if we are to count fighters in then we come that its a full scale battle and then the providence reiceves support from other vessels and so does the venator. Wait i found it,you should make a video on which fleet was better on 1 battle among the confederacy and the republic and one among the empire and the rebellion.Although im not too sure which one is best(with starcraft support)it has been recorden that on most 1v1 fights the providence has emerged victorious yet im not too sure.Yet again great video of yours,have a nice day.
Although its pretty obvious what fleet was superior since it won in the empire v rebels one the empire does tend to have more ships and larger ones although mlg characters and plot armor save the day for the rebellion)
Can you update this to include the first order and resistance? I love the fact that the resurgent class is a battle carrier. It’s a mix between a star destroyer and a venator. We’ve even found out recently in canon they carry more than just the two tie variants. They carry the updated tie interceptors and the larger tie bombers. Both with shields and hyper drives.
Imperial star destroyers were already battle carriers, really.
new challenge: do a Best Video where you dont rank the Alliance's entry as the best entry.
Ccs class battle cruiser vs imperial star destroyer or mc80 homecone cruiser 83rd try
In the expanded universe, there is an Imperial splinter faction called the Greater Maldrood. You can play as it in Empire at War Thrawn's Revenge. The Greater Maldrood utilises every ship available and I mean EVERY ship available aside from the ships and vehicles used by the then New Republic. They replaced most of their TIE fighters with ARC 170s which everyone would agree is considerably better. In the RTS game it is classified as Fighter Bomber and it does a hell of a job as such. You can also build Secutor class Carriers Imperial designed carriers that as we can see, never appeared in service. It also gives you a choice to build old Republic ships, like the Venator, or the Providence. You can safely say that if the Greater Maldrood had a good resource output, they would have had the best designed fleet in the Empire, second to the Empire of the Hand in the mod of course. I think. I never looked into detail.
I’ll use the basic Providence class instead of the modified one (proceeds to use the home one which is also a modified ship)
Can you go back to making galactic versus videos, like the Geth from mass effect vs the cylons from Battle Star Galactica
I personally love the Providence class one of my favorites!
In 3:45 The Venator Class also have a 'Super Laser' even not stronger as Death Star Super Laser, but it's good enough to destroy a Munificent-class star frigate with a single shot, even also can destroy Imperial Star Destroyer
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