lol if these ships parked in a stable orbit (to remove much need for engines to stay 'afloat' at an appropriate inclination the star ships would taken years or never crashed back into the surface. they could prob wait till after the war was over and still have time to go up and salvage the wrecks
Well, it really depends on what maneuvers they do. If they simply change orbits during the fight - they won't fall to surface for eons even with engines disabled. But if they slow down below orbital speed (to keep themselves above specific point of surface, for example) and keep themselves on choosen altitude in case their battle maneuvers require to - they may fall.
@Chosen One They did demiliarized. The Senate passed The Demilitarization Act. The funding for the Republic fleet was transfered to the local defense systems. They retired most of the New Republic ships including the Raddus.
@Chosen One Not really. What happens if dictatorship or a power hungry government suddenly rules a system and then sets off a military campaign? (Say the Zygerrians) and they have their own fleet of starships. The New Republic will be screwed
@Chosen One Look what happen to The New Republic at Episode 7. After The First Order used Starkiller base destroyed the Republic Senate and MAJORITY of the Starfleet, the galaxy was fucked. Several star systems fell with little to no resistance since it's every planet on it's own. Unlike the Republic fleet that covers the entire galaxy, the local defense systems only cover their own system.
@Chosen One those were not armies, those were scavenged ships and mostly regular people, there were 0 large cruisers to fight the Final Order, mostly cargo ships and modified frigates. If the new republic would’ve had a well fortified Star fleet the First Order would’ve never won, watch how a single Star destroyer took over an entire planet, that’s how weak the New Republic was.
Azurai In a battle that had been meticulously planned by the Rebellion for a long time, in which a good portion of the rebel fleet was still destroyed before victory was achieved. As opposed to a literal last-minute plan by a janitor carried out by a handful of x-wings, AFTER the exact same thing has happened with the first Death Star.
KingDeath720 You seem to be under the impression that I was defending the attack on Starkiller Base. Let me be clear: I absolutely was not. I was comparing the logically thought out attack on the second Death Star to the idiotic attack on Starkiller to show how bad it is.
The Empire really does suffer from an acute lack of aggression in space. In all of your videos so far they could have carried the day by just using their size and superior firepower to bull their way into the enemy and attack key targets, but every time they seem to sit passively and let things happen to them.
True, they assume their presence and power is enough to handle the day, not proper tactics. Which is why the few intelligent officers, such as Thrawn, are so deadly: they use the Imperial war machine to its most effective capabilities.
The Tarkin Doctrine at its finest. "Why actually have strategy, when you can just be big and scary? Never mind having a military that's prepared, competent, AND capable - in the event your enemies *aren't* intimidated into submission. Just keep being bigger, scarier, and more powerful/threatening than anyone else around! Trust me bro, I guarantee it'll work! There's no way the entire concept could possibly backfire or fall apart in practice, by making you such an evident threat that your enemies feel *compelled* to take you down at all costs - purely out of necessity for their own survival! Nah, just keep trying to scare them with big, pointy-shaped warships, and moon-sized, planet-destroying disco balls. Trust me, everything'll work out just fine!" -Grand Moron Weedhuff Tarkin to Emperor Steve Plantain, Circa 14 BBY (Seriously, though: The man single-handedly did more to cripple the Empire than the Rebellion could have ever hoped to without him, purely by convincing Palpatine that "Fear = ez W".)
I think this is perfectly showcased in Empire at War, where the Empire will lose most space battles against the Rebels and the Xan Consortium (especially the consortium, Jesus Christ) unless you as the player actively go out of your way to mass target enemies.
Multiple beams could have caused shearing, perhaps there was not enough power with all the ISD's using power to turbolasers, and there would have to be a command issued to all the ships.
Thanks for replying. In my opinion sacrificing a few ISDs would have been worth it to save the ship that was basically their only hope. But I'm no expert! May not have been possible.
So the Alliance to Restore the Republic built hundreds, if not thousands, of ships within a year, as well as create a new class of ship with "bleeding edge" tech. The only thing I can say right now is, "WITHIN A YEAR!?" And why the hell didn't the Ravager's concentrated fire not immediately the Concord?
I know, I know. If it were THREE years say, I wouldn't mind as much. The only hard numbers we get is they sent a fleet to Jakku three times what they had at Endor, so maybe 300-400 ships?
I mean shit, How many planets would have to defect for that to happen, in EU, the fight to coruscant was long, hard and bloody, it took effort and multiple times did the alliance nearly lose it all again
Yes, we don't even have stats on them. We know they are pretty big and powerful, but they could be 2,000m; 4,000m or easily over 5,000. It completely varies how much of a scale there was in this battle.
Yeah, that would be cool. The only thing is they are way too small (Starhawks are suggested to be some of the most powerful warships in the NR, capable of easily defeating star destroyers) and they also have a slightly different description, with a tomahawk like a shape at the front.
"There's nothing that can be done, gravity takes over" As 30+ Star destroyers sit around, each with their own tractor beam, with their thumbs up their buts. TURN ON THE DAMN TRACTOR BEAMS AND PREVENT THE SUPER STAR DESTROYER FROM FALLING TO THE PLANET!!
Argueably that could work.but I mean the Executor was as heavy as the whole fleet and as far as i know a Star Destroyer Tractor beam can BARELY take a Cr90
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@ToMlgForYou Uhm one year is logical to destroy the Empire because whole galaxy is against them I love aftermath story
@ your a sequel supporter, it wouldn't of taken 1 year. They didn't even have the whole galaxy, only parts of it. In Canon, planets revolted and defeated them. That doesn't make sense, go get a brain.
Darw¡n 42 Actually Palpatine never died in any of the canons. His physical body died but his conscious survived and got out into thousands of clones. Don’t ask how this is possible, it’s dark force manipulation
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The new trilogy should have showed this battle. That is mentioned so many times books and other medias that not show it in the movies was a big missed opportunity.
Star Wars battlefront does show it. Although you only play as a foot soldier. But it’s awesome to see a star destroyer slowly sink to the ground, with the screen shaking as it finally impacts the ground.
I really want a movie about the battle of Jakku. It was absolutly amazing seeing the Ravager crash on Jakku in SWBF, now imagine that on a movie with the full crash on screen not only the contact with the surface.
Well until something like that happens, you can look up EA's Battlefront 2 campaign footage as the second to last mission (of the main campaign) takes place in the battle.
Discount Eclipse? In Aftermath :Empire's End the last Imperial Remnant(the one that eventually becomes the First Order) finds the Eclipse in the Unknown Regions
The over-bloated empire was REBORN! Into an equally as incompetent successor state with even less military power. pheh. Such a s shame because this was a clever battle too, the last clever thing to happen post-endor. :/
The Imperial strategy here has always been one I like. Using the Star Destroyers to shield the more valuable Ravager seems like it would work by just waiting until the Empires superior fire power defeated enough rebel ships to just Zerg rush the rebel fleet.
KarmaTiger dude, you’re on RUclips and you’re trying to be literal? Outro is just a colloquialism that’s used to be the opposite of an intro. Also, as previously stated, outroductions do exist. Stop trying to be a smartass since it just makes you look ignorant.
I heard that the Empire did not end at Jakku with the First Order becoming its successor in the unknown regions, but rather an Imperial remnant remains centered around the core worlds, with the New Republic mainly in the mid and outer rim. Granted, new canon in general is still muddled but that is what I heard the "Galactic Concordance" was all about.
How Imperial ships ARE there at Jakku? Supposedly they can be defeated by a Republic fleet three times the strength of the Rebel fleet at Endor. I call shenanigans.
The rebel fleet at Endor was pretty large, the movie only directly shows one battlegroup of many. You can see far more out the windows of the Executor and deathstar.
I've been trying to count them for years. There are 13 retreating from the Death Star in the DVD version. If there are 20 total, with 5 escorts each, that's 100 ships easy.
Rax didn't care how the battle went. The plan was to blow up Jakku and take out both sides, the Empire and the New Republic, in one sweep while he ran off to the Unknown Regions with the parts of the Empire he planned to use to rebuild. The purpose of the battle was to draw in and mire down the New Republic's forces long enough to trigger the planetary destruction mechanism.
Wait, Battle of Jakku is just one year four days after Endor? That's....a lot sooner than I thought, with the notes being made about how the low morale Imperial troops suffered. Also NR having bleeding edge technology sounds like complete BS. How did an insurgent group that had to literally steal to arm themselves suddenly gained control of the highest possible tech that the Empire can't already replicate? Also OP tractor beam aside, does SSD not come with repulsorlifts any more?
also "bleeding Edge" is kinda overstating.. the ISD Design was nearly 20+ Years old at the Battle ofJakuu, the SSD around 5... the Technology could be from like 2 Yeasr ago and it woudl still be bleeding edge in comparison tothe Empires
Because stealing technology was always a high priority in the Rebel Alliance, starting with their starfighters. Additionally, there was little opportunity for advancement in the Empire for non-humans, so the Imperial Navy largely missed out on the talents of designers who were from other species.
After the NR starts winning across the galaxy (Paldora mentions just how badly the Empire is on the run), tech companies that always sympathized with the rebels, or even the elite that don’t necessarily but sense which way the wind is blowing, would start flocking over to their camp. According to the Darth Vader comics, the Empire had at least 3 SDs within a year of Revenge of the Sith - is it outside of the realm of possibility that a significant portion of a galaxy’s worth of elite, the motivation of a war, and the same amount of time could give the NR at least 3 Starhawks in a year? The Empire had the whole galaxy instead of having a divided intellectual sphere, yes, but the war against the separatists holdouts impacted the galaxy roughly zero in terms of wartime versus peacetime - and war tech always increases exponentially faster in times of war
Perhaps in term of a usual government system, the aspect that war tech stagnates over peacetime would be accurate, but as the Empire has a significant focus on the military to maintain the galaxy, its tech is bound to improve over the years - though admittingly, as you implied, - albeit slower. But even with the major companies of Rebel sympathizers flowing over to the NR at the end of the war, to think that R&D being done for some bleeding edge tech over a year that even things like the highly funded Imperial Department of Military Research - who built the death star - can't even match is just out there for me. For comparison, it's like General Electric suddenly exceeding DARPA in an arms race in 5 years.
this is probably my favorite battle in all of the star wars material I've seen so far. Having this as the conclusion to the Aftermath Trilogy was gold.
Even with all the nebulas that were sent to jakku and also (like you said) they housed HUNDREDS of sd's which in my opinion is outrageus. Even no matter how big a fleet of rebellion ships go there to "investigate" how did they win cause 1 nebula must contain at least 1-200 sd's which even if there were like 5 is already too strong. At least in my opinion. Probably cause of all the Starhawks How did the rebellion even win in battlefront 2, or am I thinking of the wrong jakku battle?
Technically has happened on screen in Battlefront but yeah I get what you mean, a trilogy of the Aftermath books would've been awesome. We would get to see battles like The Battle of Kuat Drive Yards and Jakku.
What a smart guy, "I know I'll get rid of the most powerful ship I have that way the future of the Empire can be pure, and better I'm so smart" a tactical genius
I thought that I heard in a video that the starhawk was initially in fine condition and when they started pushing the ravenger out of orbit they decided to sacrifice themselves to make sure the ravenger couldn’t escape or dampen their fall
What I don’t understand is how the new republic had almost complete control of the galaxy and they had the edge over the empire in every direction but lost that lead and ended up being able to fit inside the millennium falcon at full numbers, the demilitarized army basically set them up to loose another war
Ummmh... that was just the survivors of the Resistance that fit into the Falcon. There was no mention of the New Republic fleet in the movies, but we can expect that a good part of it was destroyed together with the Hosnian system. However, I don't remember them mentioning that the Hosnian system was the seat of the New Republic Government either. I guess I either missed that or it was cut out with the scenes that played there.
Idea for a galactic versus: UNSC-Sangheili fleet from Halo 3 vs the Rebel fleet at Endor. The idea here is that both fleets were making a final attack that would determine the fate of their respective galaxies.
couldnt the star destroyers in turn have activated their tractors, and keep the SSD afloat? Im sure even bleeding edge tractor beams wouldnt be able to overcome like 30 other tractors? Or does the mass of the SSD prohibit them from even attempting to inanimate such a huge mass?
It could be a combination of lack of coordination, not being at an angle to use the tractor beam, needing to divert power to the beams thereby exposing shields
Idea: You should cover the Battle of Kuat Drive Yards in this series. It takes place after the Battle of Endor, and shows the Alliance’s efforts to disable the Imperial starship construction fields in Kuat’s upper atmosphere.
I really hope the disarmament act was more of a hide the New Republic military away, and those allies in the outer rim could be the New Republic Remanet.
The Dark Knight from what the books say, it’s less of a total disarming and more of a congregation of different armies. The idea that Mothma has was to have several systems and worlds help each other out as opposed to a central government
Can you please do A LOT of Battle Breakdowns in the next weeks? Its so awesome to see how it all happened and the strategies they used. Also, bringing down the Super Star Destroyer to the planet like that was one of the most insane strategies I've seen!
Best transforming fighter: VF-11 thunderbolt from Macross plus vs the Union Flag from Gundam 00 vs the Viking from StarCraft vs the Mecha Tengu from Command and Conquer. Imperium Knight from Warhammer 40k vs the LED Mirage from Five Star Stories.
What I love is in the last mission on battlefront 2 is you hear the starhawk tall about how they are figuring out how to get the ravager out of the fight and in the first battlefront on the walker assault on jakku you see the ravager going down and it landing in its final resting place where we would see it in the force awakens
this is so stupid... like its written by a republic fanfiction writer. Why would they bring their biggest capital ship to just sit back an ocasionally fire? at least it should sit in the back firing non stop.Also what is this stay in place formation? Is this space? where you can move everywhere basically? i dont even want to start. its just stupid.
Leaving the Star Destroyer out in the open witout the fleets protection would open it up to a full force attack from the entire Alliance fleet. considering the first one was taken out by a single A-Wing crashing into it over the Death Star, the Ravager would have been shredded in absolute seconds.
@MilkySubstance Long range weapons fire from the executor supported the fleet that blockaded the alliance during the battle of Endor. It wasn't until Ackbar ordered squadrons of fighters to take out the deflector shield generators that it became possible for the A wing to do a suicide attack on the bridge, and that event was mostly due to luck as the super star destroyer's surface anti aircraft guns shredded most of the attacking fighters as did the defending tie fighters. So no, it's not an intelligent tactic to have the largest ship in the fleet sit back and do nearly nothing against an attacking foe, even by star wars' own logic this isn't a smart tactic. (sigh)... The inadequacy of the empire's leadership can serve to explain their inefficiencies and flaws due to the manner by which the empire's purging of talent as dissent functioned. This isn't highlighted nearly as much in Disney's fan fiction as it was in the EU where the Imperial remnant could not be unified after the death of the emperor because Moffs held strict control over their territories and none were willing to compromise with each other as to who would replace the emperor, this led to in fighting among them, ultimately weakening and leaving imperial territories vulnerable to exploit by the new republic's liberation forces. Galactic politics and military tactics could have been done so much better, but Disney decided to shit the bed on all of it.
It can't really fire non stop if there are other ships in the way. And they didn't bring their ships to jakku to fight, the republic found out about the imperial fleet there and attacked them first. And don't use real space logic with star wars. Thats just dumb. But you can't really be outflanked when there it a planet behind you.
Thank you for explaining this in a way that we can understand the most important take-away, which is that the people who write the Star Wars novels and those who code the games have absolutely NO grasp of basic orbital mechanics. "Grabbed by Jakku's gravity?" SERIOUSLY? The gravity was present the entire time. If a ship is in orbit and its engines are disabled, it will tend to remain in orbit. Why would ANY part of the fight happen inside atmosphere? Also, why do all the space battles read like retellings of Midway, Coral Sea, or Leyte Gulf, with an occasional dose of Jutland? Magical priests and powers are fine (it's a swords-and-sorcery fantasy, NOT science fiction, after all) but if you're going to include starships, you can't just violate the simplest precepts of physics on a lazy writing whim.
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EckhartsLadder can you do how the resistance destroyers the starkiller base?
Can you do one on the Battle of Coruscaunt (from episode 3)
Can we see what you would have done if you had control of the imperial fleet at Endor as well as the death star?
there were around 23 star destroyers at jakku just saying
EckhartsLadder I love these new battle breakdowns! Keep em' going Eckhart. It's an interesting series
Star wars orbital mechanics 101
1) Ship moving very slowly
2) ship is shot
3) ship quickly plummets to the planet
lol if these ships parked in a stable orbit (to remove much need for engines to stay 'afloat' at an appropriate inclination the star ships would taken years or never crashed back into the surface. they could prob wait till after the war was over and still have time to go up and salvage the wrecks
Well, it really depends on what maneuvers they do. If they simply change orbits during the fight - they won't fall to surface for eons even with engines disabled. But if they slow down below orbital speed (to keep themselves above specific point of surface, for example) and keep themselves on choosen altitude in case their battle maneuvers require to - they may fall.
@@Vasim122 I don´t think any starwars ship cares for orbital maneuvers. They just sit above the planet, held there with their engines.
@@Sidewinder1311 probably the case, engines just counteract gravity, also means you can slowly descend to the surface,
If I was Rax, I would move the Ravenger over jakku, unstead with the fleet.
"The new Republic is famous for its demilitarisation" Well thank god this is so well expalined in the new Movies- wait a second..
No the first order was famous for it's demilitarization of the new republic.
@Chosen One They did demiliarized. The Senate passed The Demilitarization Act. The funding for the Republic fleet was transfered to the local defense systems. They retired most of the New Republic ships including the Raddus.
@Chosen One Not really. What happens if dictatorship or a power hungry government suddenly rules a system and then sets off a military campaign? (Say the Zygerrians) and they have their own fleet of starships. The New Republic will be screwed
@Chosen One Look what happen to The New Republic at Episode 7. After The First Order used Starkiller base destroyed the Republic Senate and MAJORITY of the Starfleet, the galaxy was fucked. Several star systems fell with little to no resistance since it's every planet on it's own. Unlike the Republic fleet that covers the entire galaxy, the local defense systems only cover their own system.
@Chosen One those were not armies, those were scavenged ships and mostly regular people, there were 0 large cruisers to fight the Final Order, mostly cargo ships and modified frigates.
If the new republic would’ve had a well fortified Star fleet the First Order would’ve never won, watch how a single Star destroyer took over an entire planet, that’s how weak the New Republic was.
“However it would soon be reborn in a new pure from”
*loses planet sized super weapon and mega star destroyer in the span of 36 hours or less
The overbloated empire WAS REBORN into an even MORE incompetent faction!
The Empire lost a Death Star and a SSD in a single battle.
Azurai In a battle that had been meticulously planned by the Rebellion for a long time, in which a good portion of the rebel fleet was still destroyed before victory was achieved. As opposed to a literal last-minute plan by a janitor carried out by a handful of x-wings, AFTER the exact same thing has happened with the first Death Star.
Both the Empire and the First Order lose to people they outgun tenfold on a regular basis.
KingDeath720 You seem to be under the impression that I was defending the attack on Starkiller Base. Let me be clear: I absolutely was not. I was comparing the logically thought out attack on the second Death Star to the idiotic attack on Starkiller to show how bad it is.
0:25 "The Battle of Endor saw the Death of Palpatine"
Star Wars IX: -
Hey, check when this was released please....
@@Cheese-qk1ft doesn't matter, disney star wars is non canon bad fanfiction
@@Demiurge13 True! BUT I AM STILL ALIVE, AND I ALWAYS WILL
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@@leathers4340 more like A SITH LaWd!?!
The Empire really does suffer from an acute lack of aggression in space. In all of your videos so far they could have carried the day by just using their size and superior firepower to bull their way into the enemy and attack key targets, but every time they seem to sit passively and let things happen to them.
True, they assume their presence and power is enough to handle the day, not proper tactics.
Which is why the few intelligent officers, such as Thrawn, are so deadly: they use the Imperial war machine to its most effective capabilities.
The Tarkin Doctrine at its finest.
"Why actually have strategy, when you can just be big and scary? Never mind having a military that's prepared, competent, AND capable - in the event your enemies *aren't* intimidated into submission. Just keep being bigger, scarier, and more powerful/threatening than anyone else around! Trust me bro, I guarantee it'll work!
There's no way the entire concept could possibly backfire or fall apart in practice, by making you such an evident threat that your enemies feel *compelled* to take you down at all costs - purely out of necessity for their own survival! Nah, just keep trying to scare them with big, pointy-shaped warships, and moon-sized, planet-destroying disco balls. Trust me, everything'll work out just fine!" -Grand Moron Weedhuff Tarkin to Emperor Steve Plantain, Circa 14 BBY
(Seriously, though: The man single-handedly did more to cripple the Empire than the Rebellion could have ever hoped to without him, purely by convincing Palpatine that "Fear = ez W".)
True. Exactly because plot armour. In reality the rebellion woulda been lost
I think this is perfectly showcased in Empire at War, where the Empire will lose most space battles against the Rebels and the Xan Consortium (especially the consortium, Jesus Christ) unless you as the player actively go out of your way to mass target enemies.
Couldn't the star destroyers have used their own tractor beams to keep the ravager up?
Would've been a good strategy
Multiple beams could have caused shearing, perhaps there was not enough power with all the ISD's using power to turbolasers, and there would have to be a command issued to all the ships.
yah it was so big they would just be tearing chunks off of it and be completely vulnerable to, well, everything
Thanks for replying. In my opinion sacrificing a few ISDs would have been worth it to save the ship that was basically their only hope. But I'm no expert! May not have been possible.
That would make too much sense.
So the Alliance to Restore the Republic built hundreds, if not thousands, of ships within a year, as well as create a new class of ship with "bleeding edge" tech. The only thing I can say right now is, "WITHIN A YEAR!?"
And why the hell didn't the Ravager's concentrated fire not immediately the Concord?
I know, I know. If it were THREE years say, I wouldn't mind as much. The only hard numbers we get is they sent a fleet to Jakku three times what they had at Endor, so maybe 300-400 ships?
I still hate how Canon decided to end everything within one year instead of the dozens we had in Legends.
It makes no fucking sense, IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE. HOW. HOW. How did a fucking rebellion make the industrial base necessary?
I presume by mass defections and uprisings? But they'd still need TIME to operate also.
I mean shit, How many planets would have to defect for that to happen, in EU, the fight to coruscant was long, hard and bloody, it took effort and multiple times did the alliance nearly lose it all again
God I want official images of the Starhawk...
Yes. That would be nice.
There is also a model made by the Empire at War Remake Modder Jeroen
Yes, we don't even have stats on them. We know they are pretty big and powerful, but they could be 2,000m; 4,000m or easily over 5,000. It completely varies how much of a scale there was in this battle.
Max Jones I would be so happy if they made it a Reskin of the Bothan assault cruiser but then again it’s supposed to be based off the ISD so who knows
Yeah, that would be cool. The only thing is they are way too small (Starhawks are suggested to be some of the most powerful warships in the NR, capable of easily defeating star destroyers) and they also have a slightly different description, with a tomahawk like a shape at the front.
"There's nothing that can be done, gravity takes over"
As 30+ Star destroyers sit around, each with their own tractor beam, with their thumbs up their buts.
TURN ON THE DAMN TRACTOR BEAMS AND PREVENT THE SUPER STAR DESTROYER FROM FALLING TO THE PLANET!!
They would of fell as well
@@Darkdestroyer21 Yes because Starhawk's tractor beam is super powerful
Argueably that could work.but I mean the Executor was as heavy as the whole fleet and as far as i know a Star Destroyer Tractor beam can BARELY take a Cr90
@ToMlgForYou Uhm one year is logical to destroy the Empire because whole galaxy is against them
I love aftermath story
@ your a sequel supporter, it wouldn't of taken 1 year. They didn't even have the whole galaxy, only parts of it. In Canon, planets revolted and defeated them. That doesn't make sense, go get a brain.
Would love to see a version of this for the Battle for Coruscant.
Apothecary Galan thrawn or separatist?
Separatist vs Republic
Yeah right the empire had 20000 destroyers and still lost, right that's what you call Disney
it would just be a bunch venator class cruisers versus the far better and more varied cis? i forgot the acronym
@@manabuhorikita1453 bro it was George who decided that he made the empire lose
"The Death of Palpatine"
well... wellll... welllllllllllll... not really
Palpatine died. His clone existed.
Shut up the sequels don’t exist
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Actually Palpatine never died in any of the canons. His physical body died but his conscious survived and got out into thousands of clones. Don’t ask how this is possible, it’s dark force manipulation
@100 subs 1 vid wut? I never said anything about that
I’ve been waiting for a video properly explaining the Battle of Jakku since I read Empires End. All I can say is... FINALLY.
Taco1011 read Empire’s End, then watching clips from the Battlefront 2 story mode. It’s so amazing. The whole planet is a battlefield.
Is empires end the book that he gets a lot of his specifics from? If so I definitely need to read thay
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The New Republic and its fleet was destroyed by First Order 30 years later
Could you do a ground battle breakdown at some point
Lucas Clark yesss pls
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The new trilogy should have showed this battle. That is mentioned so many times books and other medias that not show it in the movies was a big missed opportunity.
no i prefer seeing rey just scavenge through the aftermath of the battle, its way more exciting
The problem was that this baattle happened a year after Endor. But the actors are years older.
@@SmokeDog1871 now that I think about it, yeah it is kinda cool
Or it could’ve showed the battle of jakku skip 36 years later sees Rey scavenges through it and the rest of the movie plays on
Star Wars battlefront does show it. Although you only play as a foot soldier. But it’s awesome to see a star destroyer slowly sink to the ground, with the screen shaking as it finally impacts the ground.
I really want a movie about the battle of Jakku. It was absolutly amazing seeing the Ravager crash on Jakku in SWBF, now imagine that on a movie with the full crash on screen not only the contact with the surface.
Yes, I’d really like a series of movies, maybe a trilogy about the fall of the empire that includes project cinder and the battle of Jakku.
Fernando Marques The new live action TV series could give us some footage. It plays only 3 years after Endor
I think a movie thats similar to Rogue One would be great for the Battle of Jakku.
Well until something like that happens, you can look up EA's Battlefront 2 campaign footage as the second to last mission (of the main campaign) takes place in the battle.
I would love to see a movie about everything that's not yet a movie.
Rest in peace last officially documented Executor controlled by the official Empire.
Discount Eclipse? In Aftermath :Empire's End the last Imperial Remnant(the one that eventually becomes the First Order) finds the Eclipse in the Unknown Regions
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I like the little touch of the Raveger falling due to a combination of gravity and a tractor beam.
Pretty cool moment
I always wanted to understand this better with a clearer picture!
Thanks Eck!
I don't watch your videos for the content anymore. I watch for the doge
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The over-bloated empire was REBORN!
Into an equally as incompetent successor state with even less military power. pheh.
Such a s shame because this was a clever battle too, the last clever thing to happen post-endor. :/
@Chara Except a good chunk of First Order personnel evacuated Starkiller Base when It was nearly blown up.
@@ufukcangencoglu2279 trust me not a whole lot got off of starkiller base when it exploded it still had almost 700k people on the base when it blew up
A lot were on Starkiller but a good many were on Snoke's Supremacy-class Mega Star Destroyer.
Literally every first order star destroyer is just a giant command ship. The loss of starkiller base didnt mean anything
@@ilikepigeons6101 it would certainly mean something, they lost hundreds of thousands of men, equipment and years of work was destroyed.
The Imperial strategy here has always been one I like. Using the Star Destroyers to shield the more valuable Ravager seems like it would work by just waiting until the Empires superior fire power defeated enough rebel ships to just Zerg rush the rebel fleet.
Anyone else repeatedly watching his outro?
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Intro is short for introduction. There's no such thing as an outroduction. Outro isn't a word. The word you're looking for is closing.
@@KarmaTiger Outroduction is word and it is used for the closing remarks of a book.
KarmaTiger dude, you’re on RUclips and you’re trying to be literal? Outro is just a colloquialism that’s used to be the opposite of an intro. Also, as previously stated, outroductions do exist. Stop trying to be a smartass since it just makes you look ignorant.
Really loving these brilliant tactical videos Eck! They are so good! :)
"In the end, physics takes over..." just funny how physics is mentioned in a universe that constantly defies them.
Hey Eckharts, if you are going to do a spaceship versus episode, use this system to talk about the battle.
plz
I heard that the Empire did not end at Jakku with the First Order becoming its successor in the unknown regions, but rather an Imperial remnant remains centered around the core worlds, with the New Republic mainly in the mid and outer rim. Granted, new canon in general is still muddled but that is what I heard the "Galactic Concordance" was all about.
This loss was a tragedy, but it was so artfully done
It brought forth a resurgence, one that again brought order.
The other star destroyers should have used their tractor beams to try to keep the Ravager in position
I feel bad for the crew in the star destroyer that rammed, and the crew in the falling starhawk
It all happened so fast.
Boy that sentence is elevated to a whole new level with star wars new cannon.
Also you said thousands of star ships are hidden are they used by the first order?
as mentioned in the video: some were, some were destroyed at Jakku
Gerardo Reyes that's my theory
How Imperial ships ARE there at Jakku? Supposedly they can be defeated by a Republic fleet three times the strength of the Rebel fleet at Endor. I call shenanigans.
The rebel fleet at Endor was pretty large, the movie only directly shows one battlegroup of many. You can see far more out the windows of the Executor and deathstar.
I've been trying to count them for years. There are 13 retreating from the Death Star in the DVD version. If there are 20 total, with 5 escorts each, that's 100 ships easy.
Gallius Rax: I'm a genius!
Also Gallius Rax: Oh no!
Gallius Rax earlier in the battle: "Hell yes!"
Later in the battle: "Hell no!"
Rax didn't care how the battle went. The plan was to blow up Jakku and take out both sides, the Empire and the New Republic, in one sweep while he ran off to the Unknown Regions with the parts of the Empire he planned to use to rebuild. The purpose of the battle was to draw in and mire down the New Republic's forces long enough to trigger the planetary destruction mechanism.
Too bad he threw the wrong woman to the wolves.
Admiral Versio: "._. I should be in command, rip."
Imagine surviving the galactic civil war only to get shot by one of empire's star destroyers or tie fighters.
EckhartsLadder These new videos are absolutely fantastic. Could you do a video on how the Republic won the Battle of Coruscant?
Liam O galáctica civil war or clone war?
Palpatine: So how many Star Destroyers do you want?
Gallius Rex: Yes
Wait, Battle of Jakku is just one year four days after Endor? That's....a lot sooner than I thought, with the notes being made about how the low morale Imperial troops suffered. Also NR having bleeding edge technology sounds like complete BS. How did an insurgent group that had to literally steal to arm themselves suddenly gained control of the highest possible tech that the Empire can't already replicate? Also OP tractor beam aside, does SSD not come with repulsorlifts any more?
Supposedly by uprisings, defections and capture of hardware...
also "bleeding Edge" is kinda overstating.. the ISD Design was nearly 20+ Years old at the Battle ofJakuu, the SSD around 5... the Technology could be from like 2 Yeasr ago and it woudl still be bleeding edge in comparison tothe Empires
Because stealing technology was always a high priority in the Rebel Alliance, starting with their starfighters. Additionally, there was little opportunity for advancement in the Empire for non-humans, so the Imperial Navy largely missed out on the talents of designers who were from other species.
After the NR starts winning across the galaxy (Paldora mentions just how badly the Empire is on the run), tech companies that always sympathized with the rebels, or even the elite that don’t necessarily but sense which way the wind is blowing, would start flocking over to their camp. According to the Darth Vader comics, the Empire had at least 3 SDs within a year of Revenge of the Sith - is it outside of the realm of possibility that a significant portion of a galaxy’s worth of elite, the motivation of a war, and the same amount of time could give the NR at least 3 Starhawks in a year? The Empire had the whole galaxy instead of having a divided intellectual sphere, yes, but the war against the separatists holdouts impacted the galaxy roughly zero in terms of wartime versus peacetime - and war tech always increases exponentially faster in times of war
Perhaps in term of a usual government system, the aspect that war tech stagnates over peacetime would be accurate, but as the Empire has a significant focus on the military to maintain the galaxy, its tech is bound to improve over the years - though admittingly, as you implied, - albeit slower. But even with the major companies of Rebel sympathizers flowing over to the NR at the end of the war, to think that R&D being done for some bleeding edge tech over a year that even things like the highly funded Imperial Department of Military Research - who built the death star - can't even match is just out there for me. For comparison, it's like General Electric suddenly exceeding DARPA in an arms race in 5 years.
this is probably my favorite battle in all of the star wars material I've seen so far. Having this as the conclusion to the Aftermath Trilogy was gold.
Never read the Thrawn trilogy, have you?
Even with all the nebulas that were sent to jakku and also (like you said) they housed HUNDREDS of sd's which in my opinion is outrageus. Even no matter how big a fleet of rebellion ships go there to "investigate" how did they win cause 1 nebula must contain at least 1-200 sd's which even if there were like 5 is already too strong. At least in my opinion.
Probably cause of all the Starhawks
How did the rebellion even win in battlefront 2, or am I thinking of the wrong jakku battle?
Love the style of these kind of videos.
Absolutely loving this new series, Eck! Could you possibly do a video on what the Empire could've done to win the battle of Endor?
These battle breakdowns are the best
Man now I feel so bad for the imperials at the battle of Jakku
The fall of the Ravager was probably my favourite part of the book, and it's something I would seriously love to see happen on-screen.
Technically has happened on screen in Battlefront but yeah I get what you mean, a trilogy of the Aftermath books would've been awesome. We would get to see battles like The Battle of Kuat Drive Yards and Jakku.
Star Wars space battles are like chess in space. With every piece inventing it's own rules as the plot goes along..
Awesome video and I love both the empire and the new republic and the visual are cool. Great video
I really like Kyrsta Agate, one of my favorite characters in aftermath.
Me too! Cool robot eye too i believe
jup, and she is both relateable and badass at the same time
Im liking this new series Eck keep it up!
What a smart guy, "I know I'll get rid of the most powerful ship I have that way the future of the Empire can be pure, and better I'm so smart" a tactical genius
Never stop making these.
Love this video and channel! You’re the only Star Wars channel I can stand anymore.
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I thought that I heard in a video that the starhawk was initially in fine condition and when they started pushing the ravenger out of orbit they decided to sacrifice themselves to make sure the ravenger couldn’t escape or dampen their fall
I love this bit from the book. The idea of a New Republic ship pulling down an SSD with a tractor beam is so sick to me.
I love the battle breakdowns videos. It gives a whole new meaning to the battles.
What I don’t understand is how the new republic had almost complete control of the galaxy and they had the edge over the empire in every direction but lost that lead and ended up being able to fit inside the millennium falcon at full numbers, the demilitarized army basically set them up to loose another war
Ummmh... that was just the survivors of the Resistance that fit into the Falcon.
There was no mention of the New Republic fleet in the movies, but we can expect that a good part of it was destroyed together with the Hosnian system. However, I don't remember them mentioning that the Hosnian system was the seat of the New Republic Government either. I guess I either missed that or it was cut out with the scenes that played there.
Ackbar: It's a trap
Ravenger: * does something stupid *
Ackbar: who's getting traped now?
Idea for a galactic versus: UNSC-Sangheili fleet from Halo 3 vs the Rebel fleet at Endor. The idea here is that both fleets were making a final attack that would determine the fate of their respective galaxies.
Pyres ∆t Varanasi thanks
They won the battle because the writers wrote that they won the battle.
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk
“To deal with it” Eckhart’s tough
couldnt the star destroyers in turn have activated their tractors, and keep the SSD afloat? Im sure even bleeding edge tractor beams wouldnt be able to overcome like 30 other tractors? Or does the mass of the SSD prohibit them from even attempting to inanimate such a huge mass?
It could be a combination of lack of coordination, not being at an angle to use the tractor beam, needing to divert power to the beams thereby exposing shields
„Reborn in new form”
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Idea: You should cover the Battle of Kuat Drive Yards in this series. It takes place after the Battle of Endor, and shows the Alliance’s efforts to disable the Imperial starship construction fields in Kuat’s upper atmosphere.
I really hope the disarmament act was more of a hide the New Republic military away, and those allies in the outer rim could be the New Republic Remanet.
The Dark Knight from what the books say, it’s less of a total disarming and more of a congregation of different armies. The idea that Mothma has was to have several systems and worlds help each other out as opposed to a central government
Amazing video eck, as always ^^
I'm happy you made this video about the battle of jakku, it is one of my favourite battles in all Star Wars
The ultimate star destroyer:
Super Mega supremacy exegol dreadnought ravager class
The intro song is so nice, it really takes you places. I even have it on Spotify after Shazam’ing it
If the empire actually planned like this from the beginning they would have won
Jakku is one of the most interesting battles in the new canon, love seeing it painted out like this!
I bet some of the ships that disappeared permanently went to palpatine final order plan
Can you please do A LOT of Battle Breakdowns in the next weeks? Its so awesome to see how it all happened and the strategies they used. Also, bringing down the Super Star Destroyer to the planet like that was one of the most insane strategies I've seen!
Best transforming fighter:
VF-11 thunderbolt from Macross plus vs the Union Flag from Gundam 00 vs the Viking from StarCraft vs the Mecha Tengu from Command and Conquer.
Imperium Knight from Warhammer 40k vs the LED Mirage from Five Star Stories.
They should really make a spin-off movie about this or something, it'd be interesting to see.
"The Empire used a fairly intelligent strategy"
That sure is a sentence you don't hear very often
If there were an Anthology film about this event, it would be referred to as “Jakku: A Star Wars Story.”
Can you do how you would have won this battle if you were the empire, like the one on Scariff. Great video though, keep up the good work!
What I love is in the last mission on battlefront 2 is you hear the starhawk tall about how they are figuring out how to get the ravager out of the fight and in the first battlefront on the walker assault on jakku you see the ravager going down and it landing in its final resting place where we would see it in the force awakens
Awesome video man
Love your content.
This was a favorite battle of mine, especially it coming from a video game made it so much more immersive
1:36 The Gonk droid NOOOOOOOOO! RIP (F's in the chat)
awesome! I just read "empire's end" and the whole battle was chaos in my head... now it makes more sense :)
The flood vs orks from 40k
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I love the fact that both the New republic and the empire had creative solutions for their problems in this battle.
Do: HOW THE REPUBLIC WON GEONOSIS, or, How the Cis could have won at Geonosis!!!
Hell yeah.
Did you do the drawings of the battle in space?
Do a vid on the battle of qat chrystac in the thrawn campaign
Was that the one with Bel Iblis and the A-Wing slash?
This series is fantastic. If you expand into other eras there could be so much material
0:52 Now we know where those ships went...
I'm enjoying the battle break downs ekharts keep it up
this is so stupid... like its written by a republic fanfiction writer. Why would they bring their biggest capital ship to just sit back an ocasionally fire? at least it should sit in the back firing non stop.Also what is this stay in place formation? Is this space? where you can move everywhere basically? i dont even want to start. its just stupid.
if real life orbital mechanics were tied with the story, the capital ship crashing because its engines died would have never happened lmao
Leaving the Star Destroyer out in the open witout the fleets protection would open it up to a full force attack from the entire Alliance fleet. considering the first one was taken out by a single A-Wing crashing into it over the Death Star, the Ravager would have been shredded in absolute seconds.
@MilkySubstance Long range weapons fire from the executor supported the fleet that blockaded the alliance during the battle of Endor. It wasn't until Ackbar ordered squadrons of fighters to take out the deflector shield generators that it became possible for the A wing to do a suicide attack on the bridge, and that event was mostly due to luck as the super star destroyer's surface anti aircraft guns shredded most of the attacking fighters as did the defending tie fighters. So no, it's not an intelligent tactic to have the largest ship in the fleet sit back and do nearly nothing against an attacking foe, even by star wars' own logic this isn't a smart tactic. (sigh)... The inadequacy of the empire's leadership can serve to explain their inefficiencies and flaws due to the manner by which the empire's purging of talent as dissent functioned. This isn't highlighted nearly as much in Disney's fan fiction as it was in the EU where the Imperial remnant could not be unified after the death of the emperor because Moffs held strict control over their territories and none were willing to compromise with each other as to who would replace the emperor, this led to in fighting among them, ultimately weakening and leaving imperial territories vulnerable to exploit by the new republic's liberation forces. Galactic politics and military tactics could have been done so much better, but Disney decided to shit the bed on all of it.
THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO FAIL, OF COURSE GALILUS RAX’s WOULD ORDER A DUMB STRATEGY
It can't really fire non stop if there are other ships in the way. And they didn't bring their ships to jakku to fight, the republic found out about the imperial fleet there and attacked them first. And don't use real space logic with star wars. Thats just dumb. But you can't really be outflanked when there it a planet behind you.
Thank you for explaining this in a way that we can understand the most important take-away, which is that the people who write the Star Wars novels and those who code the games have absolutely NO grasp of basic orbital mechanics. "Grabbed by Jakku's gravity?" SERIOUSLY? The gravity was present the entire time. If a ship is in orbit and its engines are disabled, it will tend to remain in orbit. Why would ANY part of the fight happen inside atmosphere? Also, why do all the space battles read like retellings of Midway, Coral Sea, or Leyte Gulf, with an occasional dose of Jutland? Magical priests and powers are fine (it's a swords-and-sorcery fantasy, NOT science fiction, after all) but if you're going to include starships, you can't just violate the simplest precepts of physics on a lazy writing whim.
They fought at atmosphere because you can't exactly be enveloped If you have a planet behind you.
C Dubious: you can't just violate the simplest precepts of physics on a lazy writing whim.
Disney : Here, hold my beer.
I want to see what the starhawk really looks like soon.
Very cool and informative! Love the visual stuff you put work into. It's definitely worth it!
Autumn class cruiser vs ISD
Or
Strident class cruiser vs dreadnaught class heavy cruiser
You totally have to do the all fleets version of the final Battle for Earth in mass effect 3!
I wish we could see the full battle in a movie
This is great. Nice job. I read all three aftermath novels, but I hadn't seen this detail in it. Thanks.
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Love this keep it up
Damn that pulling them down with them thing is badass