How to use Support in your 3D Prints! Part 1 - 3D Printing 101
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- In this 3D Printing 101 on Maker's Muse, we cover how you can use support material to expand your 3D Printing horizons!
We cover the theory behind how support material works and why it's needed (or not needed) as well as more advanced support features!
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Superb tutorial as always mate. Your explanations mean that the rest of us don't have to experiment so much, because you have already shown what settings do what.
You always manage to include stuff that I didn't know too.
Right on! I was looking for some tips on "Support" in S3D, and there you are! Thank you, Angus!
I just wanted to take a moment and say thank you. My CR10 is getting delivered today, I purchased Simplify3D several days ago and your videos have been incredibly helpful and educational. So, THANK YOU! I can’t tell you just how much I appreciate you taking the time to share your knowledge!
I love your "slightly too exposed" camera settings. Everything looks so bright and nice.
Haha, it's just on iA mostly - my workshop is pretty bright :)
It's gives a reallt nice look the the video never the less. :D
Great video, Angus! Good to know the details on this support generation. Glad you demonstrated in S3D which I use.
Very nicely done. Thank you. The info I found most useful were the settings within S3D and how to interpret them. Keep up the fantastic work!
Great tips Angus, cant wait for part 2!
Thank you. It good to see a video on the unmentionable black art of supports.
Very useful tutorial Angus! Great job!
Indeed I always learn useful stuff from the 101 video series :D
your channel saved me so much filament and money
Thank you for this! I've been learning a TON from your videos.
Thanks for the class, mate! I'm really appreciate it. Thanks a lot.
Great tutorial job, not only you explain the matter but you also demonstrate it, excellent! 8)
Looking forward to Part 2.
Thnx for your super content! I needed to 3d print a lot for a project 1 started. In 3 days i was be able to print my first parts with succes! thnx
Learning so much from your video man Thanks you !
Great tutorial video!
Im so happy simplify 3d Came with my printer
Good vid. You can use the 'inflation distance' to automatically increase support under thin overhangs. Be careful, as sometimes the support will protrude on the outside of the model.
Very descriptive. Thx,
thanks Angus! you had the dense support layers set to 0 so did not get to see that but I get what would happen. i was struggling with the battle of save material or get better print finish with supports and did not realize dense had to do with increasing support infill however many layers away from the print. great feature i was missing out on! along with the angle function. Cant wait for this to help me out soon! plan on doinga huge print and that will save me 100 or more grams
Excellent, thanks
Thanks I learned something to try. Hope I can do this in cura 3.6
YOU ROCK DUDE :)
Please answer the following questions :
1) What app do we have to download to select itoms we wanna print?
2) What all materials do we have to use? And in what quanitity?
3) If we purchase a cheap 3d printer,is it gonna affect the quality of products we make?
4) Can't we add colours? Do we need some ink or that coloured sources or something?
5) Are those apps free or costly?
6) Can you tell where do you insert the products to get the printed solid?
Hi Angus. You're doing great job. I've learned a lot from your yt movies. Just one small comment about this one. You change dense infill percentage without adding dense support layers (it's set to 0). In this way you don't change anything, as dense support layers won't be printed at all. Cheers!
Great overview - But I noticed that you were altering both the Support Infill and Dense Infill - in order for the Dense setting to take effect you mus set the number of layers too "Dense Support Layers" - this is the number of layer that the dense setting will take effect from the bottom of the part.
I know this is an old video, but I'd like to add that you can combine angles for your supports in Simplify3D. For instance, making them 0, 45, 90 and 135 degrees, makes a very robust support. You can make it less dense, faster printing, and very hard to miss in any direction your layer needs to be supported...
Thank you
Hi, Angus just want to point out that you set your dense support values wrong, just setting the percentage won't do anything you also need to set the number of layers of that dense support, in your video you had that set to zero which meant the 80% value would be ignored.
Just watching your video with great interest. I have been doing this 3D printing, and I hate the supports that my software uses which is what came with my printer, its the XYZ Da Vinci mini, sure its small but I can do a hell of a lot with it. Yes I am still new to 3D printing but not new to 3D modelling as I have been using 3DS Max for around 16-17 years, and I actually find that doing my own supports AND brims with the design, and I find its so much better than the standard stuff with the xyz software, also it saves filament too by doing your own brim..... Oh and the raft I do my own too. I enjoy your videos, keep em coming.
You have a da Vinci mini?! Are you just using stock software? Have you tried Simplify3D? I haven't met many people who also have this printer, so it's a pain to get info on it.
KomaruKirinashi I used to have one. I had way too many issues and limitations and eventually upgraded to a lulzbot mini. Not a bad beginner printer but an upgrade could really help you out in the long run. The lack of being able to other filaments also was a huge factor. Let me know If you have any questions about the da vinci though.
Sterling Hamilton Unfortunately due to a power cut during a firmware update, mine is borked. Have to send it in to get fixed.
From what I can tell, you left the Dense Support Layers set at 0, so no dense support layers were actually printed. Besides that, great video. I didn't notice before you could change the angles of the support material. That's pretty neat.
You can also use the support angles to create much stronger supports. Just set up multiple angles like this: 0,0,0,0,0,0,90 which will do 6 layers and then one perpendicular to the previous layers.
Well spotted! I was working with such a small model I missed it - despite talking about it. I'll do another video to clear that up in future. The multiple angles is also a great way to improve support strength! Nice tip.
That's neat. I'll have to try that out.
This was very helpful. Was there a part 2 to this?
Hi Angis
I love your advise on printing a skirt with no offset from the part. This works like printing with a raft but only outside the model.
I had big problems on part sticking on the heated bed. Nothing did stick until i installed the BLTouch.
The BLTouch together with the skirt does make any part stick to the printbed like magic.
About supports:
So now my 1st layer does stick very well but now i have another problem. My supports are not sticking to the baselayer (any allready printed surface). I designed a flat peace of 0.2mm that i put under the part that i want to print so my complete part has a baselayer. All parts of the model itselve are printing (and sticking-) very well to the baselayer but many (or all) supports are loosening on the 1st or 2nd support layer (after the baselayer has bin printed). I get a bunch of spagetti on the baselayer.
I tryed to decrese "Horizontal Offset From Part" to 0.15 mm but i think this option is the space above the supoort and that is not what's goes wrong. I need to lower the 1st layer of the support or make the support itseve thikker i think.
Do you know what does make my support not sticking to the part under the support?
Thank you
That was really useful. I wonder if you could cover the specific issue of supporting a large flat area and getting a good finish. I get a great finish on the bed and on the top of the model, but any flat supported area is a mess.
Any tips on getting a really nice finish would be very welcome.
Where is Part 2?
Nice Video
I definitely need to cough up the dough for Simplify 3D. ReplicatorG is just irritating to use. Also, I like that red filament used in this video. It looks really nice!
Angus, would you consider a supports part 2 using what's in the advanced tab in S3D? there are many videos on the basics, but not much on the advanced tab settings. things that works well for PLA are disasters with PETG because it sticks so well to itself.
Thanks.
please do a video on supports eith a more common slicer!
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I was thinking the same thing. So many of these videos are for Simplify 3D. Someone needs to keep us budget-minded folks in mind.
A thought to consider:
S3D costs about 150 USD. Thats not a huge amount for a software, that will save you hours and hours of fumbling around with lower developed software.
So in the end, who is really budget-mindet? :)
It is a huge amount of money for someone who's montly wage is usd 200!!
I have plenty of time to learn how to use software, but no money for expensive ones. So ill stick with the freeware like Cura, ty.
Very Very helpful....Is part 2 not out yet? Can't seem to find link?
Hey Angus, can you do a video on skirts vs brims vs rafts? Not so much what they are, but more so when you'd use them? I can't seem to find much info online other than what they are. Cheers!
Not a bad idea! I'll put it in the video queue to cover in future.
Please we are waiting
For those of you commenting that your 3D printer is supported by Simplify3D, but you think that $150 could be better spent elsewhere, I strongly suggest you do a cost-benefit analysis:
First calculate how much time, filament and effort you've wasted *solely* because of how your free software of choice handles supports as compared to S3D. Next, think about the time you've sat staring at your monitor while the same program chugs away slicing. Add to that any prints that failed due to a sub-par or outright lack of a gcode preview feature. Think about all of the extra infill material you've had to use (and thus extended print time and filament cost) to support *only* the top layers of your print, as the rest of the print would be fine with much less but your free slicer doesn't allow you to set different infill percentages (and/or other settings) at different layer heights. Any other failed, bad and disappointing prints you can think of that were the result of your slicer software not being as good as you'd like? If so, take that into account as well...
...and then reevaluate whether or not that $150 is best spent elsewhere. :)
(BTW, I just glanced at the S3D site and it says there's a 2-week money-back guarantee or demo/trial period.)
Nailed it.
Maybe this will get covered in part 2, but have you ever had a model that needed soluble supports due to it's complexity? I'm thinking internal cavities etc where it may not be possible to get pliers in there, and for structural reasons the part cannot be divided in two and glued together.
Very cool. Now can you create a video for people who do not have simplify3d? How to make supports in netfabb or another program?
I love this video.
By the way I got my Cubicon single, only to be disappointed that it was damaged during shipping and getting a replacement :(
Couriers suck! I've had at least 5 machines trashed by couriers.
+Maker's Muse this is not the first trashed expensive 3D printer by the couriers, a week before Cubicon I bought 3D systems CubePro Trio it arrived smashed to the core as if the UPS truck ran it over 10 times, and it cost me $4500 total with shipping and tax.
Luckily I was able to return it, I bought the one from work though
Wild
I wonder if this will work with the Robo 3d C2... simplify 3d looks easy to use.
What about X/Y supports for tall objects like a cylinder. One of your videos showed the walls moving and warping during the print. How can you add removable supports to keep the walls stable during the print?
I tried printing that deathclaw a few days ago. Cura did a fine job adding supports where needed, but it was so damn difficult to remove. The entire underside of the figure is full of ugly marks from where the support structure stuck almost like it was part of the print.
Cura sucks in that it hides extremely important and useful features by default. There should be a "enable support interface" checkbox that will make it so that the supports are a lot easier to remove.
what are recommended numbers for support infill?
when will we get the wanhao duplicator i3 plus review?
I notices in the screen capture that you left dens support layers at 0, and that showed in the print preview. Did you later go on to turn dense support layers to a value as it looks like the actual print had them on.
Nice, but how easy would TPU supports be to remove?
Hi dear Angus!
I am looking for an intelligible explanation on how to correctly place the model for printing on a DLP printer ( Wanhao D7 Plus in my case) and what are the basic principles of building supports in these printers?
Can I trust the automatic option?
How to use Meshmixer before sending the model to Workshop slicer and does it is really make a sense in DLP?
Thanks for your lessons!
What printer do you use?
What is the offset from part called in cura? Thanks!
Part 2 ?
Is Simplify 3D really the best software to be using in a 101 video? The automatic is nothing like what cura/slic3r will generate and what most of us will be using. S3D may well be great but the cost is far more than what I'm going to spend at this point in my 3D printing adventure.
The title excited me as I've been struggling with support on some small parts, I suspect this might be related to the extruder temp and support settings but this tutorial didn't really cover much other than use some $150 software.
I feel the same way. I would buy simplify3d if it werent 150 bucks. I could keep that for another printer. I did ask for him to create a video on how to create support with netfabb or another of his normal free to use apps.
I'm from the school of thought that if I'm going to spend hundreds (or thousands) on hardware, I don't want to be limited by software. But having said that S3D was only added to my 3D Printers a year or so ago. I used to struggle through using Cura but never found the supports to be that great. If you're not keen to spring for S3D yet but want manual supports definitely have a look at craftware. It's not bad - and all the theory and settings I discuss is still relevant, it's just got a different GUI and slightly less options.
I'll look into craftware but I still feel you cannot, and should not be using expensive premium software in a 101 tutorial. If this had ben just called support in Simplify 3D I'd have no issue at all.
@@themaninthesuitcase 150 bucks isn't that much really. its just a cost of getting involved in printing. if you don't like it use something free personally though I would be buying some software with my 3d printer
Hi Angus, great video (again). Is there any chance you can motivate your friends at Up! to allow us to use tools like this? I have a design that really needs better support matterial to print. Using Plus 2 and Davinci 1.0A with custom fmw.
Hi i have a question, i got a model i hollowed out and split in half, so now i am laying down the model on that cut, i am needing to find out how i can get those internal supports, and it would be nice if i could get tree supports. because i am going to do some internal lighting.
How do you handle multiple printers in S3d?
I know I'm rather late on commenting, and I'm sure someone else has mentioned this... but you could use the 45 degree support angle until those first arches are layed down, then have it change to a different angle to support the outside tail. Who cares if the support infill isn't uniform, it is going to get torn away.
Hi Angus,
I've noticed sometimes when S3D creates support structures, the zig-zap pattern shifts phase by 180 degrees. I suspect S3D does this to give the support structure itself some strength as it grows taller. However this doesn't always occur. Is there a setting in S3D that controls this behaviour?
Thanks for the video Angus. I did notice the supports you generated in Simplify3D had some tall cylindrical pillars with wide bases, similar to the ones Meshmixer puts in, bracketing the support walls. I have never seen these type of support from Simplify3d. Is this some sore of setting used to generate those?
I think I see what you mean, that is S3D showing where it starts a path rather than it actually being thicker there, and the main part had a 3 layer brim with 0 offset to help it adhere. Not a bad idea to suggest to them though - might help delicate supports adhere when printing with no raft!
Hi, great video, what,s the software used to manage the printing? it does not look like cura..
I don't see a part 2.
I searched and searched. I don't think there is a part 2 :(
Part 2 please!
Why im thinking constantly of quicksilver from xmen....when i see this guy :-)
Hello, what software should I use if I don't mind getting a paid one. Simplify 3d or cura? What makes simplify 3d worth buying?
To activate Dense support, shouldn't the option Dense support layer which is set to 0 by default be set to at least 1 to activate dense support? Since i can see a clear different in S3D if i have it set to 0 and then set to 1, i can see that the top layer becomes more dense creating more of a surface area.
Hey Angus, I recently trying to use Simplify3D to do my splicing and upgraded my CTC Makerbot clone to Sailfish 6.7 and all uploaded and done well. I can print from an older xg3 file from Makerbot and the bed plate moves and prints just fine, but when I try and use a xg3 file from Simplify the bed does not move. Is there a setting in Simplify I am missing?
I've been watching hundreds of videos on the CTC printer and have yet to see one where they show you how they use or I should say set up and use both extruders everybody always print with just one is there a reason for that
7:25 looks like a ton of support can you not bridge it with small gaps between them to make the pieces easier to break off? I haven't printed supports yet but what I said seems to be the way to go. Is there reasons for so much support?
My supports are printing on the opposite side of the model....any solutions?
Great information. Shame i am stuck with UPStudio...
I feel the pain... It would be bearable if they had that G code preview.
+Maker's Muse I have been chatting to them over Facebook for some better information on maintenance and better software. Basically said unlock it or add what most slicer's have . and remove that stupid tool wheel and add a tool bar.
I gave a thumbs up for dodgy photoshopping!
damn this slicer is amazing. prusa control is really lacking.
Hi Angus. as a 3D printer newbie, do you recommend me buying Simplify3D?
In my opinion, yes for sure.
I mulled it over for over a month before I brought S3D. Would it realy be worth the cost?
Then I bit the bullet and coughed up, now I don't use anything else.
The slicing speed is a LOT faster than anything else I've used and as Angus said, the support beats everything else too. On top of that, the support guys are superb and quick to answer your questions.
IMHO you would not regret buying it.
Good luck, whatever you decide.
Hey G'day, great to see awesome tutorials, I have only one complaint. I tuned in to see what you had to say about supports the bane of my life. BUT BUT BUT BUT, you use that miserable program simplify3d. The greatest majority of us none uber users operate using more common tools (Cura as an example) which have a lot less control. (hope you take the tongue in cheek with a smile). Have you got a tutorial dealing with supports but with more common slicers. Cura even at 10% are difficult to remove. Greetings from the colonies downunder. Now off to buy your gizmo for tolerances.
what about flexible filament ? i bought a $150 2lbs roll from maker bot 2/3 years ago and i hate using support on it because it will NOT come off if will just destroy the model
Hi am new to the printing world and would like some advice when am printing a model it always look stringing half way through my print could this be bed levelling or could it be the heat would like some advice if possible please please please
it doesnt do that itself?
Did he just said support meroval? at 11:45
I cant seem to figure out how to manually insert support in cura... Can i even do this in cura or am i out of luck?
use ideamaker
I have to get a more powerful computer. My laptop is a barely strong enough to run cura but i manage a little.
Hope you can get a chance to print with the gCreate Gmax 1.5 XL machine.
I'm so jealous of people who get good supports on the bottom of a curve. I've never managed to do that.
I wish I had that software, unfortunately I do not. From what I understand it is over $100! Ugg, anyone have a magic link for it
😉👍 Thanks!
Can't you print it upside down? That way it could be printed without supports, no?
Angus could you not make any refferences to costly software like S3D? There are so many FREE slicers out there... When i hear it i think your're another sold guy
Most free slicers kind of sucked back when this was made, though it's changed a bit - ruclips.net/video/F7JuMa35IjA/видео.html
slic3r seems to give me very crappy support
Support what? :) 11:47 h5 Angus from Poland
The underside of the casing, and overhanging fins. That was after I removed the support.
;) I was just reffering to your "supprt meroval" in 11:47
Can see same mistake as in Simplify3D - the angle you show is not the overhang angle. The overhang angle is between vertical and the overhang - so that a bigger angle is closer to vertical. The tool tip explanation in Simplify3D is also wrong. 0 is vertical and 90 i horizontal
Why does your head move around so much? is it broken?
Part 2 link :)
ruclips.net/video/piwKAOOaPKc/видео.html
All my printers aren't supported by the Simplify 3D program. Perhaps you should start videos like this with this piece of trivia. Just saying....PEACE
Not much I can do for proprietary systems, but the theory is still the same.
what printers?
Several upboxes and CEL-Robox
In that case the philosophy of using support is 'turn it on and pray it works' because you get no G code preview... kinda lame.
Do you know if it simply won't work, or are you going by their machine compatibility list? S3D outputs a few common kinds of g-code. It looks like Robox uses g code, but I didn't see if it uses one that S3D outputs. You can try Slic3r first. If Slic3r g code works, S3D g code will work too. Often you can just use the profile of the most similar machine they do support and adjust it to taste.
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must suck to be the only commenter for 4 years running
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOUR NECK?? CAN'T YOU HOLD YOUR HEAD STILL??
slimpify3d costs more than my 3d printer. Please don't bother showing very expensive software, it doesn't help showing us how to fix something on software we can't afford.
Thank you for wasting filament for our entertainment. :)