I think a lot of people forget that channels like AVGN were not actually reviewers, the Angry Video Game Nerd was a character for a comedy short. It's kind of crazy how HE became a new blueprint for two decades
I remember people took those kinds of videos far more seriously than any sane person should. Many people would form their opinions solely on the AVGN's videos. I think now people are a little more capable of forming their own opinions these days.... right?
_"The strength of a critic lies in the consistency of their voice."_ Despite coming from Dunkey of all people, this quote still lives in my mind, and for more than just criticism.
the biggest problem with the OoT Sequelitis is that it came out when I was an impressionable teenager who got all of his opinions from the internet, and it made me think the game I loved was actually bad
I was a teen and I just thought arin was an idiot who didn’t know how to read. It was apparent in his metal gear awesome videos lol. “WTF NO ONE TOLD ME THERE WOULD BE BOMBS THERE”
@@bounceysteve We celebrate cause Noodle finally saw the irony in making a video about alienating viewers but not pointing out his own colossal fuckup during the whole BG3 controversy?
13:25 "I want you to imagine" I did. I was that person. I loved that game. I watched his video. And I am a million times a better person for doing so. With that video, I learned to approach things I love and care about with an air of criticism and questioning. To not just love something and idolize something unquestionably. And when I started doing that I realized some of the things I found "good" just weren't. Ocarina is still good, in my opinion, but I can now understand and pick out things that aren't well designed in it. Sure most of the things wrong with it are a product of the time it was made. But the fact is it cemented a trend and formula in Zelda that needed to change. Even the developers thought so after a while. Even with poorly aged jokes and venomous portrayal of critics to the video, it is an undeniably useful tool to help people learn how to add perspective to things and come at them with critical minds. It may be harsh and pointed at times, but it has a job to do and a point to make and does it well.
You made me realize I was kind of doing this on Reddit, being too inflammatory to my opposition, because people on there tend to be hostile so I started also being a little hostile when discussing things. Thanks for the unintentional reality check 👍 I’ll try to stop that.
This has been repeated to me almost verbatim from other reddit users. After the latest reddit controversy, an online nerd group I’m a part of suddenly became flooded with former reddit users. They started out being super hostile when talking about our silly nerd stuff before eventually realizing they didn’t have to be. I actually got a sincere apology from a guy when I’m called him out on this. I think feeding off hostility legitimately affects how people view others.
I feel like the biggest reason Sequelitis is still talked about today is very simple actually, people got to actually see videos of Arin actually playing video games and learned the man refuses to read any basic tutorial, or even a lot of story dialogue
In metal gear awesome snake dies to easily preventable deaths that were explained beforehand, even though he animates them after. Bro just doesn’t pay attention.
Words cannot describe how much I LOVE these old TV-style intermissions. The very specific kind of humor in them tickle a few nondescript bones in my body which may or may not involve a rib, a finger and my whole hip
I am so glad you made this video - not complaining about it at all - but I find it incredibly funny that we are STILL ARGUING ABOUT SEQUELITIS! That shit came out the same year The Lego Movie did. If it were a child it would be starting the 5th grade.
There is literally no way that RUclips comments are restrained enough to not talk shit about Arin. But I will say this, from 10 years of following his stuff, he has really grrown as a person and sequelitis isn't a good representation of him as a person anymore. He's done some amazing things, making his friends dreams come true and helping others get off the ground. He is a genuine person that just happens to have some strong opinions about things, mostly video games, but he's honestly one of the best content creators to grace the internet.
Yeah in the modern age him saying Arin was controversial really confused me since I had no idea what he was talking about. just know he's the game grumps guy
I've seen plenty of people take shots at his onscreen persona or his handling of some drama from years back, but never anything to make me think he's unethical or abusive. I really do not understand the hate.
@@apollofell3925 I was actually going to ask why the hate? Cause I´ve seen people who hate his guts and I actually thought it was for something serious but no, is just stupid internet stuff. He is actually a good person, and not a pedo, racist or some shit like a lot of other youtubers :S
@@DestroyIhosh There was a situation between him and an old colleague, Oney of Oneyplays (Chris O'Neill)... Arin had basically said that a video about 'storytime' animators was hurtful and in bad taste, and Oney talked shit over it, due to Arin's previous 'edgy' personality. The guy definitely had his edgy teen years, but he's grown out of it, unlike Oney... and that's me saying as a person who enjoys Oney's humour as well!
@@TheGhostThatWasyou’d be surprised. I’ve been following him since his early days of animation. The controversy mostly stems from the people that don’t like that he chose to better himself as a person overtime. Genuinely most of the complaints I see about arin aren’t from edgy things he may have said 15 years ago and more so come from the fact that he doesn’t say that edgy stuff anymore. Basically people don’t like that arin matured as a person overtime, started focusing on things like game grumps and making more IRL style content with Dan and so on. I really enjoyed sequelitis, I loved his old egoraptor animations, I really enjoyed both the jontron era, early dan era with Barry and Ross, and the current era with the 10MPH and such. It’s been really cool to see arin become a more positive person and I think it’s wild that that’s the controversy. He became more positive and people don’t like it.
"Why minecraft peaceful mode is terrifying" "why mario is actually about deep philosophical topics and how mario odyssey is related to Crimes and punishment" "why the Y is the most unique game about X" and all of them are like 2 hours long
17:09 i remember from one game grumps episode Arin said that’s one of the things he’d go back and change about the video, because you can just look left and right to see it
This video can be summed up with, “the worst part of any opinionated video essay is when the creator concededly goes “nOw bEfORe yOu go in the ComMeNtS””, and as someone who has ALWAYS hated that part of any video essay and finds it a complete waste of time, FUCKING THANK YOU, even for videos I agree with that have this stupid trope I always thought, “this is annoying”.
I honestly still love the Sequelitis videos, he did a wonderful job on them. Everyone went crazy with the Zelda one, but I never hated it. I saw it just as his POV, and that's it.
Welcome to the intersection of quality content consumption. If CRG had FINALLY UPLOADED HIS WEIRD WIDE WEB TODAY i would have assumed the rapture was coming
This is actually a really great insight into how to talk about something to anyone without making it likely to alienate your audience. Everyone’s entitled to be critical, but you still have to be mindful while sharing your opinion. Nobody wants to be talked down to like they’re idiots, or scum, or wrong, or whatever. As a big fan of the interpolation video, you make a great point that it’s not extending any branch or understanding towards those who like interpolation. I still like the video, but I have to agree that it’d be cool if it was better at being convincing rather than inflammatory. Honestly it’d be cool to see that video be done again, or at least something similar being attempted with a parallel topic.
I'm kinda curious to see Arin try his hand at another Sequelitis episode. He definitely doesnt have any time to do that now, but it's been 10 years since this video came out and he's changed a lot since then and I wonder if that would also mean a change in approach. Like if he made an episode on Sonic today would he actually make an attempt to extend a bit of an olive branch to Sonic fans or would he be equally as mean as he was for Ocarina fans.
ngl the world's changed a lot in 10 years as well, I don't think him presenting an olive branch to sonic fans would go well at all, especially with how sharp that branch is after all the playthroughs...
Genuinely sequelitis was one of my favorite series that arin ever did. I loved his more serious (albeit in a comedic presentation) analysis on game development.
I'm glad that people like Noodle make things. It's refreshing watching someone disagree with someone else in a way that isn't just "you are a bad person and an idiot because I don't like the things you said." Up until this, I was on entirely Arin's side, I had never played OoT and thought his video was funny. But seeing a reasonable and well thought out response that points out things that I didn't even realize could be considered inflammatory and how he could have communicated more effectively with the people he was trying to reach was eye-opening in a away that just shouting invective could never be. Nice work, Noodle.
The thing is, people didn't used to take what was said on the internet seriously. What we have today has it's roots on that mentality, so the more you care about thing online, the worse is going to be for you. Wanna discuss honestly with someone? Look fo explicit places that seek that. Whatever other place, you're just throwing your opinion to the void, and should not put any mental or emotional stake in those ideas you throw to it. And poace that emotional investment to your real life and real people around you. Or for those that do not have it, to those in your small gatherings of online friends. Don't torture yourself.
0:56 Holy smokes Genuinely THAT is my brain worm. Extra Credits had taken over my life at some point. My brain worm looks like Dan. Immediately as you started talking about this topic I went Does Noodle know extra credits.
Honestly been waiting for a long time for someone to tackle this video, cause I also feel very similar towards the Ocarina of Time video. At points I really like what Arin has to say critically about the game, yet at the same time when Arin complains about the waiting to the point where he even dislikes the little jingle and cutscenes that plays before you open a big treasure chest, I can't help but think that this isn't as much of a Ocarina of Time problem as it is an Arin problem.
tbh if you straight up identify with the yellow shirt guy in the video and take the whole thing as a personal attack there's a problem with you. his critique was fair even if very opinionated. not being able to take a step back and see that this is a very subjective video despite the way he presents it (arguably trying to appear more objective than it is) is pretty bad. even if oot is the most important cultural milestone in your life, I don't care you need to breath out and see this video for what it is aka just a guy voicing his opinion.
Whenever I make a argument I always try to understand the others side no matter how much I disagree. If I could not even remotely understand I rather don’t judge or ask them about their view. Even if we don’t convince each other we at least come to an understanding of each others views 95% of the time.
I 1000% agree, but also that's how all these kinds of reviews felt back then. Because the 2000s was just that edgy, I can voice myself however I want Era, then we started closing in on the idea of opinions being that, then bouncing back to two sides again
This reminds me a lot of a term I’ve somewhat coined called Schrodinger’s Dunkey. Basically you can’t tell whether or not the review is a joke or genuine. If the game’s bad, it’s serious. If it’s good, it’s a joke. You’d be surprised at the amount of people who use this tactic to IMPLY an opinion rather than having a concise one.
CHRIST some of Dunkey's reviews are in awful faith. He tries to belabor a point with sharp editing that misleads audiences into thinking something is more of an issue than it is and they just say "it's a joke". Him saying that Injustice had bad facial animations and showing the part where the characters were being psychically manipulated into speaking as if that was a normal facial animation is a great example.
The best part of the egoraptor OOT video is when his suggestion for improvement includes a type of enemy that's _already in the game and he complained about just a minute before_ He obviously put a lot of time and effort in for the video but that just makes it more offensive when he gets basic stuff wrong, especially stuff the target audience has known about since they were 5 years old. Like the whole point about "you gotta wait" with the gameplay loop is defeated by c-button items that create openings and cut wait times, the tools are in the game he just refuses to use them and then complains about it.
An Elder Scrolls fan, I have absolutely no problem with your second Skyrim argument because not only is it right, It's also IMO quite childish to nurture parasocial relationships in general, and specifically with abstract concepts or inanimate objects like a company or a game.
I feel like the Zelda series has changed so much from when Ocarina of Time was released, with Breath of the Wild, Tears of the Kingdom, Link's Awakening, and most recently Echoes of Wisdom. The Zelda series has always been a puzzle-based combat series. People hated Skyward Sword because the Ocarina of Time structure was used for almost 20 years at that point, and people were getting tired and annoyed. Nintendo then looked at this criticism and made Breath of the Wild, a game which had the same effect as Ocarina of Time: an open-world, puzzle-based combat game that gave you creative choice to do dungeons, side quests, and the storyline on your own terms. I am a huge Zelda fan, and some of the criticism of Ocarina of Time is deserved. It's not a perfect game, I get that. Opinion pieces are good. That being said, if we make these critiques at a time when gaming has come so far, and development processes have become in-depth and subversive, complaining about a game that started that (mainstream, I mean-many games did the Z-targeting and choice-making things Ocarina did, but Ocarina was one of the first mainstream games to make it more known, I feel) and then comparing it to games now is a little bit disingenuous. Ultimately, I can respect criticism of Ocarina of Time and how it holds up now compared to the recent Zelda games, but when criticizing it compared to Zelda now, you have to keep in mind that it wasn't really built to be compared to newer Zelda games. Nintendo wasn't planning out Breath of the Wild in 1997 to be an intricate Zelda experience compared to Ocarina of Time, and I think there's this silent bias that happens when you complain about Ocarina. The overuse of mechanics and the structure in the game that you feel while playing it is because of the overuse of those things in Zelda games after Ocarina. I think it's hard to look at a widely beloved game that really changed the way games used combat in 3D and criticize it without backlash. That being said, most people would respect your opinion and criticism if you are respectful and not spiteful just because some dudes in a forum told you you were wrong, doesn't mean you can be rude about it.
I was so freaked out when you name dropped H bomber guy and Adam Neely in a video about Egoraptor. Like they're popular channels, but I cannot imagine the audience overlap. This has to be made just for me and like 5 other people. I'm scared
I wish more direct response videos like this were a thing, and I pray that they are. This was a great way of discussing things like an online critic's tone of voice, demeanor, and how they view people who may disagree with them, like "oh jeez I'm gonna get so much hate for this lol." For someone like me, who tends to get insecure about expressing his point of view on a show or a game, a more comedic review is more satisfying to me since I already know I can take it less seriously than a more serious, analytical review, even if I disagree with what they say. Critics are not exempt from being critizized, I see this on Twitter all the time. I hope this can inspire other people (me I'm other people) to think about how they feel about a critique they watch instead of blindly agreeing with them or just not speaking up whatsoever.
I don't know why Shaggy from hit videogame "Scooby Doo - The Movie Game (2002)" is explaining to me how old YoTube video essays have shaped negatively online discussions but I'm here for it
Feels like the right place to tell people to tap into action button, some of the best video game analysis on the website. we still have a long way to go before we get discussion of this medium that goes beyond very base level critique but videos like this analysing the problem and actual boundary pushing work like that will get us there!
You have no idea how hard I popped off as a kid when Arin showed the “control scheme controller visual” in place of a tutorial and screamed in the MMX video and I think he’s a solid part of why games don’t do that anymore. Then I watched the Zelda video and cringed too hard in the beginning, and never watched it until today
As someone who likes to put the Sequelitis videos on from time to time, it's so awesome seeing your video apply your own wants on how a critique video should be. Amazing job pointing out the faults, while praising what Arin was able to do well. Really made me think on how I write my own stuff, and take a lot of your points into consideration. Love your stuff, man! Great job as per usual.
My thing with allot of his criticisms is I don't really think it takes into account that this was the first 3D Zelda. Which when developing dungeons gives the devs a lot more depth in what they can do with just one room. Now there can be walls that go up to a whole ceiling, or a room with several floors in of it self. And I think they wanted to give new and returning players that sense of "Oh wow, we're in 3D!" sensation with these design elements. So what were they supposed to do, just not take advantage of this new range of depth to make an experience you couldn't get on a SNES? And for someone who praised Mega Man X for introducing new elements to the series within the Intro Stage before sending you out to the rest of the game to play more with those new moves, you'd think he'd give the same praise to OOT for doing the same with the Kokiri Forest before you even get to the Deku Tree. You learn how to talk to NPCs, learn how to use Z targeting to look around corners, learn how the shops work, and they even left sign posts and rocks to practice Link's new maneuvers with Z-Targeting. The Dungeon inside the Deku Tree expands even more on that with showing players torch puzzles, pushing blocks, more interactable elements of dungeons like the web you have to go through, eye switches, even diving. Things the whole game uses all in one easily digestible environment.
I really like these videos, playing them in the background while I play games made me realize I'm picking up certain mannerisms when I explain to my friends lore or what makes certain video game mechanics work. Keep up the good work silly pasta man
Noodle using the Skyrim example as though anybody talked with any amount of reverence or love about TES series in the past 10 years is a really funny bit
This video is kind of amazing to me. Never before has someone both perfectly articulated to me how and why I feel the way I do after having witnessed certain critiques of creative media, and helped me understand how much thought and intention has to go into these kinds of critiques to make them reach their audience. You've given me a more wholistic understanding of how both viewer and critic engage with each other as people, and I feel like that's something kind beautiful and rare in this space, so thanks.
I love your video game analyses for this reason! You get to hear everything about a game, good and bad, while leaning as far away from alienation as possible. Plus, getting to hear about niche interests is actually quite interesting, and as an art and video game nerd, I thank you for it.
Great video, both thoughtful and vulnerable in a way I love to see. One thing that I'm grappling with, though, is your suggested approach to bridging the gap between you and your audience: Is it really, truly, necessary that critics list all the good points of something before, well, criticizing it? Imagine that I want to give a restaurant a 1 star review because the chicken was undercooked and covered in ants. But first, to be fair, I should say how I like the plate it was served on, and acknowledge the hard work that the owner must have put into buying the place? That feels a bit ridiculous, no? But specifically on RUclips and around games criticism, audiences have come to demand that type of approach. I think it's incredibly stifling and, more importantly, I don't think we're even consistent about it. We demand this approach when someone takes on a "controversial" opinion (which basically means "says less than positive things about a universally beloved product"), as if they need to prove that they've earned the RIGHT to say anything bad. Again, to use that restaurant example: Before I can talk about the chicken, I need to list all the other chicken I've eaten so my readers can trust me as a Chicken Enjoyer. This is, again, absurd in any context but games criticism. It's worth pointing out that the other Sequelitis videos, the ones everyone likes, are in line with this trend. He says positive things about beloved games. There are people who straight up dislike OoT, despite how Groundbreaking and Important it is. Why should they have to jump through hoops before sharing that take? And on the other hand: If someone were to drop a video that was 30 minutes of PRAISE for Zelda with no context or lead up, would there be any controversy at all? Or do we just demand that people show their work only when they're going against the tide? Again, he took the same approach when making fun of Simon's Quest, and there was zero outcry, because the narrative is that it sucks, and dunking on it is acceptable. (This is also AVGN's entire vibe, too. We don't demand this type of critical hand holding if we're ripping on a Bad Game.) Great video, again! It just made me think a lot of thoughts about what gamers actually want from their art critics, and how they enforce those standards.
Trying to read lots of comments so I can't get through all of yours, but to your question at the start, no I don't think that. That was a critique for Arin's video specifically.
I am watching this on my TV but had to actually get out my phone and come here to comment that I love how you did the AD break. So nostalgic and although with a modern twist, it perfectly captured the way it feels. I love it sm
As I always say, you have to ask yourself “Do you want to be right, or do you want to have a conversation?” Because those are two very different goals.
Its been so long now and he has mentioned that he would absolutely have done things differently. I think this was just before everyone was familiar with Arins unique brand of humor. He employs hyperbole and humor that feels directed but unless you are familiar with their work, you should know he only does that as fact a form of self deprecating humor. He insults people who act outrageous with their opinions online because he is doing exactly that, and knows that would be him if he were on the other side. He is aware of his position, aware that there is a toxic portion of the fanbase, and aware that like himself they are passionate about something so much that a heated argument is likley to happen. Been a fan of them for years and this is just their style and humor. I agree it doesnt land with most but i doubt they were trying to cater to a broad audience back then because they have yet to now. They do trends like years late and never cave to public opinion on their show because they, like the rest of the fanbase know everything is satire FULL of hyperbole(insert subway bit here). They know their fan base and do the things they do and make the jokes they make because they know THEIR audience will get the irony and not take things litteraly or to heart. Watching this now just feels like an early less developed form of the humor we enjoy on the channel today!
As someone looking into making video essays, this was a wildly well timed video. I'm already finding more proficient ways to pitch my points and I think the advice in this video saved me a world of headache.
I'm a bit confused why you're dissecting a video from 10 years ago. I get that it isn't perfect but how many youtube reviews/videos are? Maybe I'm missing the point you're trying to make. In that case I apologize
I loved the Sequelitis video, and i love this video, too. Very valid criticisms, while still giving praise to what Arin does well. Amazing job as always, man.
The key problem that I am seeing that isn't being mentioned is that people are using consumer products as an anchor point for their personality and development of identity instead of developing that from within, leading to situations where criticism of a product is equivalent to a personal attack. Being a "die hard fan of Ocarina of Time" should not be a defining aspect of your character as a human being. The emotional state of other people is not the responsibility of the critic to control. The critics responsibility is to deliver criticism, and the viewers responsibility is to determine whether or not that criticism is valid or invalid, on a personal level, based on personal experience and taste. It is not the responsibility of the viewer to publicly defend the product being critiqued as if they were personally being put on trial. It's the most pure example of virtue signalling in the most negative possible sense. Using consumer products as a means to extol personal virtue is proof of the sheer level of exploitability and lack of critical faculties present in a given individual. Acknowledging an opposing viewpoint as valid is a necessary component of persuasion, but if the goal of the critique is not persuasion rather than simply stating personal opinion and philosophy on design (which is literally what Sequelitis as a series was) then it is not a necessary or desirable aspect to contain in an otherwise objective critique. If your argument is that alienating a segment of your audience that you actively dislike and want to be rid of is a negative thing, I really couldn't disagree more. By making those people immediately fuck off you save yourself the trouble of having to determine whether their arguments are being made in good faith rather than simply running defense for a bruised ego. If anything, it is a preemptive act of self-care rather than fostering a community which exists only to piss you off. Telling these people that they are not welcome in the conversation is a completely valid way of handling what will otherwise become a veritable pit of snakes.
i agree with pretty much everything you said here! you're right about pretty much everything you said about this Sequelitis episode. but as a long time Game Grumps fan, i would also like to point out that Arin has said several times that he would do a LOT of things about this video differently and that he no longer holds a lot of those opinions. bro's changed a lot in the last few years. i'm really curious how he'll react to this!
This video is an amazing deconstruction of online arguments in general, and for me, hits every nail right on the head, especially concerning Sequilitis. It feels as though there’s this lack of empathy and understanding that goes around online, where people can both be incredibly one-sided and inconsiderate of the opposition, and still take opinionated discussions about art extremely personally. While I feel there are much more constructive ways of communicating your thoughts, I also take issue with how unreasonably upset people can be at one person’s feelings on something so inconsequential. Obviously it sucks to feel invalidated when a person, especially someone with so much influence, shits on something you adore, and I totally understand that, but there comes a point when people clap back so aggressively that it almost invalidates what you’re trying to get across, in that you feel unheard. I really wish it was easier to recognize the nuance of subjectivity.
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and if I don't?
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@@cobalttj6356 almost first
step one, everyone else is wrong
step two, my opinion is objectively correct
Step three, spread my opinion around the internet as fact!
step four, slur.
@@JunkNVamps Step four: "I agree with everyone.
wow everyone in this comment section is wrong and step 1 is wrong and stupid and if you think im wrong your stupid
He didn’t even make it 2 minutes without an Amen break. His condition is worsening.
rate of increase in breakcore content is proportional to rate of increase in quality
Its terminal 😢
Love the Amen but I actually never use that break in my songs; think and hotpants are so sweet🎉❤
This was the WORST Scott the Woz video I've ever seen
Objectively
I know right he doesn’t even mention Nintendogs for DS once this video…
I think a lot of people forget that channels like AVGN were not actually reviewers, the Angry Video Game Nerd was a character for a comedy short. It's kind of crazy how HE became a new blueprint for two decades
I remember people took those kinds of videos far more seriously than any sane person should. Many people would form their opinions solely on the AVGN's videos. I think now people are a little more capable of forming their own opinions these days.... right?
@@rabidguineapigno, people are the same. Not worse, perhaps better, but mostly the same.
Nowadays its "based gamers" channels vs "niche channels"
AVGN wasn’t the blueprint, SNL was
The domino effect of AVGN all the way to weirdos saying shit like “How (insert media) broke me”
_"The strength of a critic lies in the consistency of their voice."_ Despite coming from Dunkey of all people, this quote still lives in my mind, and for more than just criticism.
Wow that is actually pretty good
Yeah dunkey is a good critic
As Dunky once said "the strength of a critic lies in the consistency of their voice - Dunky"
He said his own name
Like a Pokémon
Dunkey is one of the most unpretentious and intelligent people on this platform, I have zero trouble believing it was him who said that.
Fitting given his sonic frontiers is about on par with the video this video is about...in being assholeish fir no reason.
the biggest problem with the OoT Sequelitis is that it came out when I was an impressionable teenager who got all of his opinions from the internet, and it made me think the game I loved was actually bad
Hey cool to see you here
I was a teenager and watched the sequelitis and didn’t think oot was bad?
well clearly you weren't as impressionable as me
yeah I bet this will be one of the largest comments on this video
I was a teen and I just thought arin was an idiot who didn’t know how to read. It was apparent in his metal gear awesome videos lol. “WTF NO ONE TOLD ME THERE WOULD BE BOMBS THERE”
YO HE REUSED MY FAVORITE AD JOKE! The « he is the same » one
The original version of it is gone so I wanted to make sure people could still see it lol
@@noodlefunnywhat happens if this one becomes gone
@@bounceysteve We celebrate cause Noodle finally saw the irony in making a video about alienating viewers but not pointing out his own colossal fuckup during the whole BG3 controversy?
@@entropias_gonosobviously he didn't alienate ppl good enough cause you're still here
@@entropias_gonos bro watches one video and lets the internet people formulate his own opinions!
13:25 "I want you to imagine" I did. I was that person. I loved that game. I watched his video. And I am a million times a better person for doing so. With that video, I learned to approach things I love and care about with an air of criticism and questioning. To not just love something and idolize something unquestionably. And when I started doing that I realized some of the things I found "good" just weren't. Ocarina is still good, in my opinion, but I can now understand and pick out things that aren't well designed in it. Sure most of the things wrong with it are a product of the time it was made. But the fact is it cemented a trend and formula in Zelda that needed to change. Even the developers thought so after a while. Even with poorly aged jokes and venomous portrayal of critics to the video, it is an undeniably useful tool to help people learn how to add perspective to things and come at them with critical minds. It may be harsh and pointed at times, but it has a job to do and a point to make and does it well.
You made me realize I was kind of doing this on Reddit, being too inflammatory to my opposition, because people on there tend to be hostile so I started also being a little hostile when discussing things. Thanks for the unintentional reality check 👍 I’ll try to stop that.
Its too late to change, spiral into criminality.
This has been repeated to me almost verbatim from other reddit users. After the latest reddit controversy, an online nerd group I’m a part of suddenly became flooded with former reddit users. They started out being super hostile when talking about our silly nerd stuff before eventually realizing they didn’t have to be. I actually got a sincere apology from a guy when I’m called him out on this. I think feeding off hostility legitimately affects how people view others.
I feel like the biggest reason Sequelitis is still talked about today is very simple actually, people got to actually see videos of Arin actually playing video games and learned the man refuses to read any basic tutorial, or even a lot of story dialogue
In metal gear awesome snake dies to easily preventable deaths that were explained beforehand, even though he animates them after. Bro just doesn’t pay attention.
Words cannot describe how much I LOVE these old TV-style intermissions.
The very specific kind of humor in them tickle a few nondescript bones in my body which may or may not involve a rib, a finger and my whole hip
i saw the first 10 seconds and asked myself: "why the fuck is noddle now shaggy?"
He's been living on Scooby Snacks since he crashed his car into his house a few videos ago
Halloweennnn
I am so glad you made this video - not complaining about it at all - but I find it incredibly funny that we are STILL ARGUING ABOUT SEQUELITIS! That shit came out the same year The Lego Movie did. If it were a child it would be starting the 5th grade.
where are y'all arguing about this video? I literally had never heard of it!
also holy shit the lego movie was 10 years ago
...The LEGO Movie is how old?😶😦😧😫
There is literally no way that RUclips comments are restrained enough to not talk shit about Arin.
But I will say this, from 10 years of following his stuff, he has really grrown as a person and sequelitis isn't a good representation of him as a person anymore. He's done some amazing things, making his friends dreams come true and helping others get off the ground. He is a genuine person that just happens to have some strong opinions about things, mostly video games, but he's honestly one of the best content creators to grace the internet.
Yeah in the modern age him saying Arin was controversial really confused me since I had no idea what he was talking about. just know he's the game grumps guy
I've seen plenty of people take shots at his onscreen persona or his handling of some drama from years back, but never anything to make me think he's unethical or abusive. I really do not understand the hate.
@@apollofell3925 I was actually going to ask why the hate? Cause I´ve seen people who hate his guts and I actually thought it was for something serious but no, is just stupid internet stuff. He is actually a good person, and not a pedo, racist or some shit like a lot of other youtubers :S
@@DestroyIhosh There was a situation between him and an old colleague, Oney of Oneyplays (Chris O'Neill)... Arin had basically said that a video about 'storytime' animators was hurtful and in bad taste, and Oney talked shit over it, due to Arin's previous 'edgy' personality. The guy definitely had his edgy teen years, but he's grown out of it, unlike Oney... and that's me saying as a person who enjoys Oney's humour as well!
@@TheGhostThatWasyou’d be surprised. I’ve been following him since his early days of animation. The controversy mostly stems from the people that don’t like that he chose to better himself as a person overtime. Genuinely most of the complaints I see about arin aren’t from edgy things he may have said 15 years ago and more so come from the fact that he doesn’t say that edgy stuff anymore.
Basically people don’t like that arin matured as a person overtime, started focusing on things like game grumps and making more IRL style content with Dan and so on.
I really enjoyed sequelitis, I loved his old egoraptor animations, I really enjoyed both the jontron era, early dan era with Barry and Ross, and the current era with the 10MPH and such.
It’s been really cool to see arin become a more positive person and I think it’s wild that that’s the controversy. He became more positive and people don’t like it.
22:25 "singing the game off and sucking its praises" is such a good line
It's funny how Arin's video still spurs arguments. So much so, that we have reached the point of meta analysis of why that is.
meta analysis of meta analysis of games. the endless cycle.
I haven't even gotten a second into this video and I know it's gonna be a banger. Will update when proven right.
yo, were you proven right yet?
0:13 multiple times already, yeah 👍
That was very good. You can delete the video now, Mr. Noodle.
@@CottonEyeBro cleared for deletion Mr.Nood, your move
@@sunumaudio OBJECTIVE ACCOMPLISHED. Mr. Noo, authority to wipe the site verified. Proceed when in position.
"Why minecraft peaceful mode is terrifying" "why mario is actually about deep philosophical topics and how mario odyssey is related to Crimes and punishment" "why the Y is the most unique game about X" and all of them are like 2 hours long
Peak
spongebob rollercoaster gif
saw the notification, audibly gasped, stopped what i was doing and
w a t c h
17:09 i remember from one game grumps episode Arin said that’s one of the things he’d go back and change about the video, because you can just look left and right to see it
This video can be summed up with, “the worst part of any opinionated video essay is when the creator concededly goes “nOw bEfORe yOu go in the ComMeNtS””, and as someone who has ALWAYS hated that part of any video essay and finds it a complete waste of time, FUCKING THANK YOU, even for videos I agree with that have this stupid trope I always thought, “this is annoying”.
On a video where he complains about having his time wasted! Just make the points you're going to make!
You spelled condescendingly wrong, opinion DENIED.
Jk, that's a pretty good point.
"you are nitpicky and biased, I win, bye bye"
I honestly still love the Sequelitis videos, he did a wonderful job on them.
Everyone went crazy with the Zelda one, but I never hated it. I saw it just as his POV, and that's it.
Yeah I feel like Noodle made this video because he think the Zelda Sequelitis video is absolute truth. It's very apparent that it was just opinion.
Jacob Geller uploads a monthly video, in 5 hours noodle uploads a video about video game essays. What have I done to be this spoiled?
Welcome to the intersection of quality content consumption. If CRG had FINALLY UPLOADED HIS WEIRD WIDE WEB TODAY i would have assumed the rapture was coming
This is actually a really great insight into how to talk about something to anyone without making it likely to alienate your audience. Everyone’s entitled to be critical, but you still have to be mindful while sharing your opinion. Nobody wants to be talked down to like they’re idiots, or scum, or wrong, or whatever.
As a big fan of the interpolation video, you make a great point that it’s not extending any branch or understanding towards those who like interpolation. I still like the video, but I have to agree that it’d be cool if it was better at being convincing rather than inflammatory.
Honestly it’d be cool to see that video be done again, or at least something similar being attempted with a parallel topic.
7:00 "Sun Tzu said that. And I think he knows a little bit more about how to talk about video games online than you do, pal, because he invented it."
I'm kinda curious to see Arin try his hand at another Sequelitis episode. He definitely doesnt have any time to do that now, but it's been 10 years since this video came out and he's changed a lot since then and I wonder if that would also mean a change in approach. Like if he made an episode on Sonic today would he actually make an attempt to extend a bit of an olive branch to Sonic fans or would he be equally as mean as he was for Ocarina fans.
His relationship to Sonic is, let's say, complicated.
ngl the world's changed a lot in 10 years as well, I don't think him presenting an olive branch to sonic fans would go well at all, especially with how sharp that branch is after all the playthroughs...
so basically i should just scream louder than the person im talking with and dont give them any time to speak
I thought everyone knew this was the best way to win an argument.
I like the sequelitis reference in the thumbnai- OH HE MENTIONED IT
not now, the pepper-guy has uploaded a new video!
"Singing it off and sucking its praises" really got me 😆
It’s noodle!! And he showed Dan Floyd on extra credits, it’s a good day
I cant wait for Noodle to do a deep critique about how gaming has become less tubular, as I'm definitely sure thats what this video will be about!
Is he never gonna get a new house? He’s just live like a caveman until everything’s just dust
it's got style it doesn't need a redo
Genuinely sequelitis was one of my favorite series that arin ever did. I loved his more serious (albeit in a comedic presentation) analysis on game development.
WHAT?! A video discussing Arin AND the: "Don't Mess with Texas" ad with the CAF B-17G "Sentimental Journey"?!?! WHAT IS THIS HAPPY DAY?!?!?!
I'm glad that people like Noodle make things. It's refreshing watching someone disagree with someone else in a way that isn't just "you are a bad person and an idiot because I don't like the things you said." Up until this, I was on entirely Arin's side, I had never played OoT and thought his video was funny. But seeing a reasonable and well thought out response that points out things that I didn't even realize could be considered inflammatory and how he could have communicated more effectively with the people he was trying to reach was eye-opening in a away that just shouting invective could never be.
Nice work, Noodle.
I giggled like an idiot for like 3 straight minutes at the a&w ad. Good shit.
The thing is, people didn't used to take what was said on the internet seriously.
What we have today has it's roots on that mentality, so the more you care about thing online, the worse is going to be for you.
Wanna discuss honestly with someone? Look fo explicit places that seek that. Whatever other place, you're just throwing your opinion to the void, and should not put any mental or emotional stake in those ideas you throw to it.
And poace that emotional investment to your real life and real people around you. Or for those that do not have it, to those in your small gatherings of online friends. Don't torture yourself.
"you're kinda right but also a little wrong" was the perfect time for a "RIDIN ON CARS" joke
0:56 Holy smokes Genuinely THAT is my brain worm. Extra Credits had taken over my life at some point. My brain worm looks like Dan. Immediately as you started talking about this topic I went Does Noodle know extra credits.
Honestly been waiting for a long time for someone to tackle this video, cause I also feel very similar towards the Ocarina of Time video. At points I really like what Arin has to say critically about the game, yet at the same time when Arin complains about the waiting to the point where he even dislikes the little jingle and cutscenes that plays before you open a big treasure chest, I can't help but think that this isn't as much of a Ocarina of Time problem as it is an Arin problem.
25:19 Says breath of the wild, Shows 3 clips from tears of the kingdom, what did he mean by this
tbh if you straight up identify with the yellow shirt guy in the video and take the whole thing as a personal attack there's a problem with you. his critique was fair even if very opinionated. not being able to take a step back and see that this is a very subjective video despite the way he presents it (arguably trying to appear more objective than it is) is pretty bad. even if oot is the most important cultural milestone in your life, I don't care you need to breath out and see this video for what it is aka just a guy voicing his opinion.
Whenever I make a argument I always try to understand the others side no matter how much I disagree. If I could not even remotely understand I rather don’t judge or ask them about their view. Even if we don’t convince each other we at least come to an understanding of each others views 95% of the time.
I 1000% agree, but also that's how all these kinds of reviews felt back then. Because the 2000s was just that edgy, I can voice myself however I want Era, then we started closing in on the idea of opinions being that, then bouncing back to two sides again
This reminds me a lot of a term I’ve somewhat coined called Schrodinger’s Dunkey.
Basically you can’t tell whether or not the review is a joke or genuine. If the game’s bad, it’s serious. If it’s good, it’s a joke.
You’d be surprised at the amount of people who use this tactic to IMPLY an opinion rather than having a concise one.
CHRIST some of Dunkey's reviews are in awful faith. He tries to belabor a point with sharp editing that misleads audiences into thinking something is more of an issue than it is and they just say "it's a joke". Him saying that Injustice had bad facial animations and showing the part where the characters were being psychically manipulated into speaking as if that was a normal facial animation is a great example.
The best part of the egoraptor OOT video is when his suggestion for improvement includes a type of enemy that's _already in the game and he complained about just a minute before_
He obviously put a lot of time and effort in for the video but that just makes it more offensive when he gets basic stuff wrong, especially stuff the target audience has known about since they were 5 years old. Like the whole point about "you gotta wait" with the gameplay loop is defeated by c-button items that create openings and cut wait times, the tools are in the game he just refuses to use them and then complains about it.
the way i saw his tweet about a new video and fell over rushing to my computer. this man has me HOOKED
An Elder Scrolls fan, I have absolutely no problem with your second Skyrim argument because not only is it right, It's also IMO quite childish to nurture parasocial relationships in general, and specifically with abstract concepts or inanimate objects like a company or a game.
I feel like the Zelda series has changed so much from when Ocarina of Time was released, with Breath of the Wild, Tears of the Kingdom, Link's Awakening, and most recently Echoes of Wisdom. The Zelda series has always been a puzzle-based combat series. People hated Skyward Sword because the Ocarina of Time structure was used for almost 20 years at that point, and people were getting tired and annoyed. Nintendo then looked at this criticism and made Breath of the Wild, a game which had the same effect as Ocarina of Time: an open-world, puzzle-based combat game that gave you creative choice to do dungeons, side quests, and the storyline on your own terms.
I am a huge Zelda fan, and some of the criticism of Ocarina of Time is deserved. It's not a perfect game, I get that. Opinion pieces are good. That being said, if we make these critiques at a time when gaming has come so far, and development processes have become in-depth and subversive, complaining about a game that started that (mainstream, I mean-many games did the Z-targeting and choice-making things Ocarina did, but Ocarina was one of the first mainstream games to make it more known, I feel) and then comparing it to games now is a little bit disingenuous.
Ultimately, I can respect criticism of Ocarina of Time and how it holds up now compared to the recent Zelda games, but when criticizing it compared to Zelda now, you have to keep in mind that it wasn't really built to be compared to newer Zelda games. Nintendo wasn't planning out Breath of the Wild in 1997 to be an intricate Zelda experience compared to Ocarina of Time, and I think there's this silent bias that happens when you complain about Ocarina. The overuse of mechanics and the structure in the game that you feel while playing it is because of the overuse of those things in Zelda games after Ocarina.
I think it's hard to look at a widely beloved game that really changed the way games used combat in 3D and criticize it without backlash. That being said, most people would respect your opinion and criticism if you are respectful and not spiteful just because some dudes in a forum told you you were wrong, doesn't mean you can be rude about it.
You told me to comment below if the little gamer within is mad.
That's my secret. The little gamer within is ALWAYS mad.
I was so freaked out when you name dropped H bomber guy and Adam Neely in a video about Egoraptor. Like they're popular channels, but I cannot imagine the audience overlap. This has to be made just for me and like 5 other people. I'm scared
I wish more direct response videos like this were a thing, and I pray that they are. This was a great way of discussing things like an online critic's tone of voice, demeanor, and how they view people who may disagree with them, like "oh jeez I'm gonna get so much hate for this lol." For someone like me, who tends to get insecure about expressing his point of view on a show or a game, a more comedic review is more satisfying to me since I already know I can take it less seriously than a more serious, analytical review, even if I disagree with what they say. Critics are not exempt from being critizized, I see this on Twitter all the time. I hope this can inspire other people (me I'm other people) to think about how they feel about a critique they watch instead of blindly agreeing with them or just not speaking up whatsoever.
I literally just watched the MegaMan sequilitis episode, that's nuts.
I don't know why Shaggy from hit videogame "Scooby Doo - The Movie Game (2002)" is explaining to me how old YoTube video essays have shaped negatively online discussions but I'm here for it
Feels like the right place to tell people to tap into action button, some of the best video game analysis on the website. we still have a long way to go before we get discussion of this medium that goes beyond very base level critique but videos like this analysing the problem and actual boundary pushing work like that will get us there!
another banger from julian gaming
You have no idea how hard I popped off as a kid when Arin showed the “control scheme controller visual” in place of a tutorial and screamed in the MMX video and I think he’s a solid part of why games don’t do that anymore. Then I watched the Zelda video and cringed too hard in the beginning, and never watched it until today
Watching Arin play Majora's Mask made me quit watching Game Grumps, he was just so predisposed to hate on the game
Yeah, that was kind of my stopping point too...
5 views?! YOU'RE DOING GREAT
As someone who likes to put the Sequelitis videos on from time to time, it's so awesome seeing your video apply your own wants on how a critique video should be.
Amazing job pointing out the faults, while praising what Arin was able to do well.
Really made me think on how I write my own stuff, and take a lot of your points into consideration.
Love your stuff, man! Great job as per usual.
My thing with allot of his criticisms is I don't really think it takes into account that this was the first 3D Zelda. Which when developing dungeons gives the devs a lot more depth in what they can do with just one room. Now there can be walls that go up to a whole ceiling, or a room with several floors in of it self. And I think they wanted to give new and returning players that sense of "Oh wow, we're in 3D!" sensation with these design elements. So what were they supposed to do, just not take advantage of this new range of depth to make an experience you couldn't get on a SNES? And for someone who praised Mega Man X for introducing new elements to the series within the Intro Stage before sending you out to the rest of the game to play more with those new moves, you'd think he'd give the same praise to OOT for doing the same with the Kokiri Forest before you even get to the Deku Tree. You learn how to talk to NPCs, learn how to use Z targeting to look around corners, learn how the shops work, and they even left sign posts and rocks to practice Link's new maneuvers with Z-Targeting. The Dungeon inside the Deku Tree expands even more on that with showing players torch puzzles, pushing blocks, more interactable elements of dungeons like the web you have to go through, eye switches, even diving. Things the whole game uses all in one easily digestible environment.
I really like these videos, playing them in the background while I play games made me realize I'm picking up certain mannerisms when I explain to my friends lore or what makes certain video game mechanics work. Keep up the good work silly pasta man
"singing the game off and sucking it's praises" is just genuinely funny man.
I think the fungus is Noodles house is getting to him because these ad breaks are getting more and more cursed
15:12 Not everyone who played Ocarina of Time is a master of Puzzles, struggling to find the piece you're missing probably is relatable
Noodle using the Skyrim example as though anybody talked with any amount of reverence or love about TES series in the past 10 years is a really funny bit
Your videos are such a treat. Feels old school in a good way. God bless.
This video is kind of amazing to me. Never before has someone both perfectly articulated to me how and why I feel the way I do after having witnessed certain critiques of creative media, and helped me understand how much thought and intention has to go into these kinds of critiques to make them reach their audience. You've given me a more wholistic understanding of how both viewer and critic engage with each other as people, and I feel like that's something kind beautiful and rare in this space, so thanks.
I love your video game analyses for this reason! You get to hear everything about a game, good and bad, while leaning as far away from alienation as possible. Plus, getting to hear about niche interests is actually quite interesting, and as an art and video game nerd, I thank you for it.
“I have many worms in the brain box.” sound so musically in the beginning 0:05 🎵
I got to say your last video generally made me dust off my “awesome baby machine” just to play motor storm
Great video, both thoughtful and vulnerable in a way I love to see. One thing that I'm grappling with, though, is your suggested approach to bridging the gap between you and your audience: Is it really, truly, necessary that critics list all the good points of something before, well, criticizing it?
Imagine that I want to give a restaurant a 1 star review because the chicken was undercooked and covered in ants. But first, to be fair, I should say how I like the plate it was served on, and acknowledge the hard work that the owner must have put into buying the place?
That feels a bit ridiculous, no? But specifically on RUclips and around games criticism, audiences have come to demand that type of approach. I think it's incredibly stifling and, more importantly, I don't think we're even consistent about it.
We demand this approach when someone takes on a "controversial" opinion (which basically means "says less than positive things about a universally beloved product"), as if they need to prove that they've earned the RIGHT to say anything bad.
Again, to use that restaurant example: Before I can talk about the chicken, I need to list all the other chicken I've eaten so my readers can trust me as a Chicken Enjoyer. This is, again, absurd in any context but games criticism.
It's worth pointing out that the other Sequelitis videos, the ones everyone likes, are in line with this trend. He says positive things about beloved games.
There are people who straight up dislike OoT, despite how Groundbreaking and Important it is. Why should they have to jump through hoops before sharing that take? And on the other hand: If someone were to drop a video that was 30 minutes of PRAISE for Zelda with no context or lead up, would there be any controversy at all? Or do we just demand that people show their work only when they're going against the tide?
Again, he took the same approach when making fun of Simon's Quest, and there was zero outcry, because the narrative is that it sucks, and dunking on it is acceptable. (This is also AVGN's entire vibe, too. We don't demand this type of critical hand holding if we're ripping on a Bad Game.)
Great video, again! It just made me think a lot of thoughts about what gamers actually want from their art critics, and how they enforce those standards.
Trying to read lots of comments so I can't get through all of yours, but to your question at the start, no I don't think that. That was a critique for Arin's video specifically.
I am watching this on my TV but had to actually get out my phone and come here to comment that I love how you did the AD break. So nostalgic and although with a modern twist, it perfectly captured the way it feels. I love it sm
As I always say, you have to ask yourself “Do you want to be right, or do you want to have a conversation?” Because those are two very different goals.
TAKE OFF THE HOVER BOOTS, ARIN!
The ad break was amazing, freshest little bit of freesh I’ve seen
this scott the woz shit hit different tbh. you brought some really great points up and made me reflect on some of the ways I talk about my opinions
The paper eating reference is absolutely elite
Its been so long now and he has mentioned that he would absolutely have done things differently. I think this was just before everyone was familiar with Arins unique brand of humor. He employs hyperbole and humor that feels directed but unless you are familiar with their work, you should know he only does that as fact a form of self deprecating humor. He insults people who act outrageous with their opinions online because he is doing exactly that, and knows that would be him if he were on the other side. He is aware of his position, aware that there is a toxic portion of the fanbase, and aware that like himself they are passionate about something so much that a heated argument is likley to happen. Been a fan of them for years and this is just their style and humor. I agree it doesnt land with most but i doubt they were trying to cater to a broad audience back then because they have yet to now. They do trends like years late and never cave to public opinion on their show because they, like the rest of the fanbase know everything is satire FULL of hyperbole(insert subway bit here). They know their fan base and do the things they do and make the jokes they make because they know THEIR audience will get the irony and not take things litteraly or to heart. Watching this now just feels like an early less developed form of the humor we enjoy on the channel today!
Idc what anyone says, I refuse to believe the noodles podcast is real
god the ad break editing was amazing. slam dunk, this video
No matter what, I will still quote “MEGA MAN MEGA MAN!” to this day if the tutorial is so blatant I become aware of it.
As someone looking into making video essays, this was a wildly well timed video. I'm already finding more proficient ways to pitch my points and I think the advice in this video saved me a world of headache.
I'm a bit confused why you're dissecting a video from 10 years ago. I get that it isn't perfect but how many youtube reviews/videos are? Maybe I'm missing the point you're trying to make. In that case I apologize
I honestly can't believe I'm watching Noodle discuss Egoraptor. I loved Sequilitis so much. Also I think you have a couple of holes in your house
Funny cardboard man is back
I loved the Sequelitis video, and i love this video, too. Very valid criticisms, while still giving praise to what Arin does well.
Amazing job as always, man.
The key problem that I am seeing that isn't being mentioned is that people are using consumer products as an anchor point for their personality and development of identity instead of developing that from within, leading to situations where criticism of a product is equivalent to a personal attack.
Being a "die hard fan of Ocarina of Time" should not be a defining aspect of your character as a human being. The emotional state of other people is not the responsibility of the critic to control. The critics responsibility is to deliver criticism, and the viewers responsibility is to determine whether or not that criticism is valid or invalid, on a personal level, based on personal experience and taste. It is not the responsibility of the viewer to publicly defend the product being critiqued as if they were personally being put on trial.
It's the most pure example of virtue signalling in the most negative possible sense. Using consumer products as a means to extol personal virtue is proof of the sheer level of exploitability and lack of critical faculties present in a given individual.
Acknowledging an opposing viewpoint as valid is a necessary component of persuasion, but if the goal of the critique is not persuasion rather than simply stating personal opinion and philosophy on design (which is literally what Sequelitis as a series was) then it is not a necessary or desirable aspect to contain in an otherwise objective critique.
If your argument is that alienating a segment of your audience that you actively dislike and want to be rid of is a negative thing, I really couldn't disagree more. By making those people immediately fuck off you save yourself the trouble of having to determine whether their arguments are being made in good faith rather than simply running defense for a bruised ego. If anything, it is a preemptive act of self-care rather than fostering a community which exists only to piss you off. Telling these people that they are not welcome in the conversation is a completely valid way of handling what will otherwise become a veritable pit of snakes.
the house is now a blinding expanse, truly facinating
i agree with pretty much everything you said here! you're right about pretty much everything you said about this Sequelitis episode. but as a long time Game Grumps fan, i would also like to point out that Arin has said several times that he would do a LOT of things about this video differently and that he no longer holds a lot of those opinions. bro's changed a lot in the last few years. i'm really curious how he'll react to this!
1:08 what is the strong opinion?
I know about Jontrons baggage but I dont know what Arins got going on, if anything?
0:24 you already caught my attention
17:13 THATS WHERE THAT "OOPS" SOUND BYTE CAME FROM?? i love being on the internet andvdiscovering things
Hard disagree on a lot of stuff in this but I respect your opinions and the effort that went into the video.
This video is an amazing deconstruction of online arguments in general, and for me, hits every nail right on the head, especially concerning Sequilitis. It feels as though there’s this lack of empathy and understanding that goes around online, where people can both be incredibly one-sided and inconsiderate of the opposition, and still take opinionated discussions about art extremely personally. While I feel there are much more constructive ways of communicating your thoughts, I also take issue with how unreasonably upset people can be at one person’s feelings on something so inconsequential. Obviously it sucks to feel invalidated when a person, especially someone with so much influence, shits on something you adore, and I totally understand that, but there comes a point when people clap back so aggressively that it almost invalidates what you’re trying to get across, in that you feel unheard. I really wish it was easier to recognize the nuance of subjectivity.
Lets go, another 3 years of Arin Hanson discourse.
9:46 Okay- This is the dumbest little shit edit, and it absolutely got me. I replayed this maybe 15 times.