The story is more than just about the human greed. Disclaim: :this is just a fiction developed based off Journey to the West, not actually related to religion. Jin Chanzi the monk=>the previous incarnation of Tang SanZang Turtle spirit=>the previous incarnation of Yellow Brow, and the turtle wasn’t his true form. He just temporarily appeared as turtle. The monk and the turtle, they were Dharma brothers practicing Buddhism under the same lineage. That’s why the monk called him 师兄(Shi Xiong/Senior Brother) in the Chinese dub. They had differing views over human nature and the turtle believed that humans were inherently evil (humans are evil by nature->therefore they will turn greedy and have bad deed eventually), and the turtle had very twisted obsession to win the debate. To prove himself right, he descended into the mortal realm and appeared as a giant turtle, purposely letting the impoverished villagers capture him. Then he started showing off his super natural powers including healing, secreting pearls, granting youth and beauty, fishing from sea using water bending etc. Being plagued with poverty for so long, the impoverished villagers started insanely worshipping him as the Buddha’s avatar (which is a lie and going against Buddha’s teaching). The insatiable desires grew as much as the lives of the people there were bettered. Instead of offering guidance and teaching people to grow wiser and be self-resilient, the giant turtle intentionally gave them the easy way out and cultivated their greed and made them heavily dependent on him. At the end, the villagers lost their sanity as he expected. And he proudly said to his junior brother Jin Chanzi that he won the debate and proved that humans were simply evil. Jin Chanzi criticised him for “ inverting the consequence and cause” i.e. creating a desired consequence and to prove his own belief of the existence of an evil nature within man. Ps: [祸乱人心, 倒果为因 / sowing misguidance among people to cause chaos, inverting the consequence and cause] is the original line in the Chinese dub got translated as “ choose means over ends”
@@JonMow nah😩😩i don't really agree on that ...yes he won, but only under specific circumstances -- the test subjects he chose were poor, busy dealing with hardship and probably lack of exposure to the bigger world as well as impact of karma & the samsara it is like putting candies in front of 3-year-olds and tell them to resist temptation with them yet to develop the deep cognition and intelligence to understand the purpose of resisting it. It is wrong to say human is inherently kind, and same goes to "evilness". That also goes back to the Buddhist believes -- 1.all sentient beings (including human) are malleable and there is single inherent nature to it. Not kindness not evilness. 2.unelightened sentient beings are constantly involved in process of reincarnation and undergoing different life forms depending on their karma, like going back n forth btw human, youguai, celestial beings (like the Yellow Brow himself), animals, bugs or suffering souls in hell etc. so there is no reason to discriminate any of them. 3. Not only undergoing different life forms, uneligtened ones also uncontrollably undergo states of being kind/evil depending on their karmic habits and cycles. Good people can go evil, vice versa. Because there is simply no fixed nature in sentient beings. The Yellow Brow has no reasons to justify his discrimination against man. Buddhas don't just naturally exist as Buddhas from the start. They, like Jin Chanzi or Yellow Brow or the villagers, were also once wandering souls in the universe. And after eons of being good and bad, some of the souls begin to seek ways to ascend beyond mortal. And after eons of attempts, they find the way. Then after eons of cultivation, they are fully enlightened. That Yellow Brow rigged the situation to justify his view is just sheer ignorance and arrogance. Or pathetic like what Jin Chanzi said.
@@JonMow i don't agree on that ...yes he won, but only under specific circumstances -- most of the test subjects he chose were poor, busy dealing with hardship and probably lack of exposure to the bigger world as well as impact of karma & the samsara, even there were some monks and officials among them, they probably don’t see beyond their current lives. It is like putting candies in front of 3-year-olds and tell them to resist temptation with them yet to develop the deep cognition and intelligence to understand the purpose & significance of resisting it. People don’t raise their kids by simply giving kids what they want all the time because that sure ruins the kids for good. Guiding souls to mature has same logic. Also It is wrong to say human is inherently kind/evil. That also goes back to the Buddhist believes -- 1.all sentient beings (including human) are malleable and there is not a single inherent nature to them. Not kindness not evilness. 2.unelightened sentient beings are constantly reincarnating and taking different life forms depending on their karma, like going back n forth between being human, yaoguai, celestial beings (like the Yellow Brow himself), animals, bugs or suffering souls in hell etc. so there is no reason to discriminate any of them. 3. Not only undergoing different life forms, uneligtened ones also uncontrollably undergo states of being kind/evil depending on their karmic habits and cycles. Good people can go evil, vice versa. Because there is simply no fixed nature in sentient beings. The Yellow Brow has no reasons to justify his discrimination against man. Buddhas don't just naturally exist as Buddhas from the start. They, like Jin Chanzi or Yellow Brow or the villagers, were also once wandering souls in the universe. And after eons years of reincarnation and being good and bad, some of the souls begin to seek ways to ascend beyond mortal. And after eons years of attempts, they find the way. Then after eons years of cultivation, they are fully enlightened. The purpose of spiritual practice is not for one to ascend to a higher plane and obtain supernatural power/immortality then use it to judge the less fortunate ones. That Yellow Brow rigged the situation to justify his view is just sheer ignorance and arrogance. Or pathetic like what Jin Chanzi said.
@@zl4101 lot of them were monks who chanting sutra when he got slaughtered they reach their hands out to collect the pearls. the law officials suppose to be on the side of justice soon join the group and start looting his body. the court official who counting pearl to give to the poor suppose to be man of virtue soon join the group. give them chances and times, people will lose themselves.if they don't join the group they will lose their loot
@@JonMowhumans won't give into greed that's biologically not how it works. We are social animals The greed you are referring to comes from capatalism nature vs. nurture and all that...capatalism is what creates inequality and inequality, creates greed Our self preservation is trumped by the preservation of the species
He picked a poor fishing village to test. 1. When he was rescued by fishermen, they already knew he is not human, but rescued him anyway. 2. When rescued, he can’t wait to show fishermen that he has golds and pearls under his skins. Yet, the villagers didn’t kill him. 3. Instead villagers worshipped him, sent him tributes, built temples. It’s “fair trade” 4. Official and monks didn’t take the treasures themselves. They hire someone to dispense them fairly. 5. When that one villager was lured, officials first reaction was to stop him and other mobs. They were trying to maintain orders. Humankind has proven lots of time that they are not greedy nor heartless, but Huang Mei only needs to win once. If one means to test the hardness of something, one will break it eventually. Don’t push humanity to limit.
@@dv9239 Maybe, maybe not... but yellowbrow has pretty much funneled every single attention to him. Now they pretty much have nothing to live off of but him, effectively exacerbating the problem.
Legit, I came across this cutscene in a video that popped up in my recommendation, I clicked on it because it looked funky, I saw the animation and slowly locked in, then the turtle got torn apart and I was absolutely in awe at how unsettling it felt watching those people tear apart the very thing that tried to help them.
@@theoriginalman9426 everything just feels so, disgusting, even the gold and gems were kinda gooey and weird, then the turtle got viciously ripped apart by demon people and then the music started screaming, they did a great job making it feel disturbing
@@theoriginalman9426 It didn't want to help them, though. It wanted to screw them up so they would become greedy and destroy their own village, proving his belief that humans are evil.
I thought it was about a story of greed but by the end it was for vindication. The turtle knew that the village was suffering and instead of freeing them of their suffering he made them suffer more all to win a bet that humans are evil. He did not win. Only made an example.
@@SchwarzeSun In Buddha teaching life is a cycle of suffering and rebirth. If you do bad things you become poor as punishment in your next life or become an animal in the next afterlife. If you do good you go higher in the cycle. Because he made them crave for greed and because he played with their greed he sent them too damnation. Therefore the village was abandoned and in a much worse state when he died.
@@SchwarzeSunIn the myth, he also used his powers to storms to the village and essentially wreck their whole economy before he even got there. Then when he did get there, instead of giving them better fishing techniques or teaching them how to build better boats or create better medicine, he quickly made then dependent on him and his magic. Of course the humans were going to go crazy after all that. Had their village not been ruined already, they likely wouldn't have been so desperate.
@@SchwarzeSun You can look to the village after people tear the turtle apart. In stead of wealthy village with tons of robbed jewelry, it's totally collapsed and noone alive. It's their karma.
@@SchwarzeSunafter the turtle has no more skin left, the land has become Baron, disease spread, fish never swim in the village, water has dried out, and the human must have used up all their belongings
Jin Chanzi won this debate.Yellow Brow presented a terrifying appearance and intentionally exposed the jewelry inside, but people did not kill him and even enshrined him, establishing rules. These kindness, He pretended didn't exist, intentionally guided someone to break the rules, and then he say, 'Humans are really evil.'. In fact, without the concept of kindness, there would be no concept of evil. Someone first established the rules of kindness and expected people to abide by them. Only those who break the rules are called evil. If the rules did not exist from the beginning, they could not be broken. All humans follow instincts like wild lions and elephants. You won't judge an elephant as evil, you won't judge a baby as evil.
concept of kindness, there would be no concept of evil - this is a western ideology. Do not be confused it with Buddhism or Daoism. Buddhism speak plainly about cause and effect, not good or evil. Daoism speak about the way of "nature". Think you are confused good and evil with Yin and Yang.
it is more like salvation and suffering when it comes to Buddhism. Yellowbrow was arguing with Jinchanzi whether humanity deserved salvation. He rigged his experiment to show that humanity deserved suffering, while Jinchanzi took his journey to prove the opposite.
Yellowbrow argued that Immortals are inherently superior to mortals in character especially yet he did something a two bit redditor would do so very much so. Yellowbrow played himself.
I think yellowbrow triggered the man to cut him open. Before the poor man went crazy with the knife, the animation is like casting a spell that empties the mind. Yellowbrow probably did not like he was about to lose because people falling in line and getting civilized. But then it only takes one evil for everyone to follow.
You can see the man's jacket is pulled by an invisible force: the turtle pushed him over the edge. I like how complex that made the turtles bet: humans did eventually give in to greed, but he cheated. How long would it have taken without his push? He made it nearly impossible for them to win, choosing an impoverished place and instead of teaching them anything that could better them, lavishing them with excessive wealth and fortune
Yellow brow reversed the logics of karma, he wants to prove human are greedy, which is the result he wants to prove. But Jin Chanzi claimed the greeds among human are actually the reason and cause, instead of result. Yellow brow used the greeds of human to achieve the result he wants to prove.This is like a scenario that you are going to find a problem when you already know the answer. With out yellow brow’s involvement, those civilians are probably not going to devoured by greeds.
It's like writing a paper with confirmation bias. It reminds me of a project I done. The purpose was to find a way to reduce carbon foot print, but the solution was decided in the beginning and the rest of the work is to collect piece of information that in favour of the original proposal instead of find the actual way. We know that we do it just for the purpose of passing the course with a decent grade, in which we did achieved.
He's just a fuse.Human greed and selfishness have always existed, but they are hidden in their hearts and have not been stimulated.Once triggered, the consequences are just like those in the animation.
@until-w4m Not exactly hidden but rather contained by each person sense of morality. Not every poor person steals, not every thief is driven by greed. The turtle is not a fuse, he is gasoline slowly spray on a pile of dried leaves, a temptation that slowly warped the villagers morality.
okay, yes, human's greed is limitless. BUT the turtle did something to win the bet against Jinchanzi. 2:13 you can see something pull his shirt, something blind his eyes. I think the turtle did that. Jinchanzi knew that, he did not blame human but the turtle 4:14. so this animation is not just about human's greed, it's also about the ego for winning.
@@deadmanslastwish him being there at all, replacing the mortals needs with him alone, was not a little shove, destroying ships so he would be the only resource they need is much more then a little shove. This is a tactic that many wealthy colonizers have used. The only difference is that this creature wanted to make himself look the victim in the end.
A fishing village so poor it faces famine, yet when they catch prey, they don't divide it on the spot but bring it back to share with everyone in the village-this is the first good deed. Seeing treasure inside a monster and not immediately killing it to split the wealth-this is the second good deed. Accepting the monster's gifts, they know to show gratitude and even create an idol to worship-this is the third good deed. The wealth they receive isn’t hoarded by the ruling class but is shared among all the villagers-this is the fourth good deed. Despite all these good deeds, YellowBrow still nudges those with greed, and yet the soldiers’ first reaction is to maintain order, and the monks still chant in hopes of repentance. And YellowBrow still thinks he’s won? Isn’t that ridiculous? Is it really fair to make the simplistic and harsh conclusion that humans are inherently greedy? On the Chinese internet, the process of attaining Buddhahood is often compared to writing a thesis to earn a PhD. YellowBrow frequently fabricates data, violating academic integrity, which is why he isn’t recognized by others. YellowBrow: Looks like I've won again this time. Jin Chanzi: Senior brother, you've fabricated data for your thesis again, haven't you?
Yellowbrow really went about pushing the goal post just to feel some kind of satisfaction of being right, despite being proven wrong so many times. No wonder the stench of shattered ego was strong.
@@realmwarssIIYellow Brow did not straight up manipulated everyone so they would fulfill his wish of "humans are all greedy". He did not have to show the villagers he secreesed pearls. He destroyed their means to obtain fish so they would be entirely dependant on him. He literally pulled with his mind a poor man and probably also enchanted the people so they would massacre him. In the end he only made things in such a way that only really desperate people would act upon DESPERATION and not GREED
They didn't rob him straight away because that is not how humans work, unless they are straight up pirates. It is always subtle. At first everyone is greatful. Then some start to doubt. Then some start to talk about how what they get for free is not enough and they deserve more or how their benefactor is hidding something from them. Then someone starts the riot and does what everybody else was secretly thinking. That's how it always goes. It is not only greed, it is also about getting stuff for free without working for it. That's what makes humans mad with greed in the end even if they weren't greedy before.
@@johntheknight3062 Oh believe some humans even on the smallest scale do work that. Yes you are correct, but in this situation you can see a god manipulation a village for his egotistic goals to be proven right. You can literally see how te shirt of the first fishermannto strike being pulled towards him, he literally had to drag someone to attack. And again, the people "saved" him without knowing what he could give them, thr Turtle did not have to cut his skin to show them the gold icor
Man the music is….actually insane once it kicks in 2:29 like it feels so twisted compared to when you hear it from the official trailer 3 years ago. I just finished chapter 3 and after watching this cutscene, I’m pretty sure this is without question a 10/10 game for me.
He was fished out from the abyss and immediately showed others that there were jewels in his flesh and bones. Villagers didn't kill or rob him, but he didn’t consider it an act of kindness. He bestowed favors upon the weak and poor, who, instead of asking for more, expressed their gratitude by honoring him, yet he didn’t see it as kindness either. People built a system around him, even starting to share wealth with the poor and the weak, but he still didn't view it as kindness. Years past, a greedy person came along. He couldn’t wait to pull that person up, and in the end, countless lives were destroyed... At last, he was satisfied. "Humanity had finally revealed its evil, and I had proven humans are lesser being compare to us gods."😎
That's also what Yellow Eyebrow is trying to prove in the game. One of his students disagreed with him, he had him tied up and kneeled, but Non-Able never admits it. Yellow Eyebrow just proved how pathetic he is
@@YingjieYang-ChampY and the fact that Non-able was the most competent of the four false disciples in both gameplay and in the original novel is also a testament to why Yellowbrow was wrong on so many levels.
To make things worst, the "Greedy" man isnt greedy. If you paid attention, Yellowbrow used his sorcery to charm the man into committing his action. Thus purposely using the "Broken Window" psychology trick to rig the villagers into rioting.
They didn't rob him straight away because that is not how humans work, unless they are straight up pirates. It is always subtle. At first everyone is greatful. Then some start to doubt. Then some start to talk about how what they get for free is not enough and they deserve more or how their benefactor is hidding something from them. Then someone starts the riot and does what everybody else was secretly thinking. That's how it always goes. It is not only greed, it is also about getting stuff for free without working for it. That's what makes humans mad with greed in the end even if they weren't greedy before.
Mortals fear the consequence, yet Bodhisattvas fear the cause. Yellow Brow made himself a cause just for winning a debate, that's why JinChan Zi said it's pathetic.
Modern translation of the dialogue at the end of the film; "Senior brother, you've been on Reddit all day again, huh?" "Junior brother, look at this! The people in this forum are so dumb. I posted a bait thread and caught a ton of them!" "You're right, but is it really worth it? You bait them by playing dumb, but then get roasted hard. Is it all worth the trouble?" "What are you talking about? I go online specifically for the arguments!"
If you read the character descriptions Yellowbrow has killed thousands of people and guais for amusement or control . He was as bad as u can imagine. 😊
The animation in Chapter 3 is really great, especially the scene of people grabbing jewelry, which is worth watching frame by frame. Each picture is a work of art with high information content
The original lore is a bit different from the game lore. Yellow Brown in the game is an egotistical character who always think that he has achieved enlightening and posed as a Buddha because he saw the darkness in humanity. He love to bring out the darkness and pass judgement upon on other but never sought to help/ redeem them and Buddhism is actually the opposite of what he was doing.
This story happened in the Earlier Era of Investiture of the gods thousands of years before journey to the west. The setting was prior the schism in the Buddhist belief. Yellowbrow was supposed to represent a Theravada Buddhist and Jinchanzi a Mahayana Buddhist.
0:55 If you notice Yellowbrow also put his hand up same as the Buddha. In the original lore it did say that despite being deviant, his deep desire was to one day attain Buddhaship himself.
这首歌作曲：者來女，作词：冯骥。冯骥是游戏科学的老板、制作人、策划，实际上游戏里所有歌词都是冯骥作词！奇才！ This song was composed by Zhelai Nu and written by Feng Ji. Feng Ji is the boss, producer, and planner of Game Science. In fact, all the lyrics in the game were written by Feng Ji! Genius!
Yeah. Yellow Brow was being petty. He wanted to win a gamble and then cheated (if the dude who stabbed him was indeed being controlled by Yellow Brow himself).
@@FayeLawnKrack3d The thing is, he likely would have gotten fhe results he wanted eventually, but even then, OK, fine. Yes, humans can ve greedy jerks, especially when desperate. Thank you for proving that point and getting all of your flesh ripped apart in the process /s I don't know, sort of made me reevaluate how I approach arguments
@@rosesweetcharlotte When the fisherman pulled up the Yellowbrow turtle and discovered that it could produce jewels by injuring itself, the villagers did not tear it apart. In fact, at that moment, Yellowbrow had already lost.
On the surface, this story tells of humans killing giant turtles that constantly bestow their wealth on them because of their greed for wealth.But the final outcome reveals a deeper meaning of this story. The old turtle is Huangmei's reincarnation, who deliberately lured humans with wealth to make them obtain without effort in order to prove that human nature is greedy and cannot be changed for good through Buddhist teachings.From the very beginning, he deliberately adopted means to stimulate people's inner greed in order to prove his theory was correct. It is similar to the story of shooting an arrow first and then drawing a target. So this story is not about human greed like the first one, but about Huangmei's obsession. He did everything he could to prove himself right to Jinchanzi, which corresponds to the Buddhist concept of obsession as one of the three poisons.(The first story corresponds to greed, and the second story corresponds to anger) In detail, you can see that when the person who took a knife to hurt the old turtle made his first move, his collar was pulled forward. At the same time, the eyes of the old turtle glowed, suggesting that he was casting a spell and manipulating the first person to harm himself in order to lure others into action.Meanwhile, in the subsequent scene where he falls dead, if you reverse the camera and look at it, you can see that his mouth is tilted up when he dies, smiling because he firmly believes that he has won again.
when he first show his blood could turn to treasure 0:42, the official didn't kill him, he saw no good in mankind; when he showed his healing power 0:58, people did not kill him, he saw no good in mankind; when he gave plentyful food 1:10, people did not force him to provide more, he saw no good in mankind; when he was idlized and worshiped in a temple, he saw no good in mankind; He denied so much goodness just to prove his idea that human nature are evil, to win.
I had chills near the end of the song when the music was getting more intense. My god, my jaw was on the floor. Absolutely beautiful. This game is insane.
"If not for winning, why debate over means and ends?" This sentence hit me so hard. English not my first language so when I hear this first time my brain think it said something like "If not for 'winning', why we 'debate' over good or bad in the first place?" Like some human or god or evil or monsters each have their own reason in their actions and think their mindset always right. However when other party doesn't think the same. So they start debate. At first it just debating with words but At the last it became conflict and maybe war ...Just for 'winning for the right' in their mindset...
Even I find this scene sad. Though the “Turtle” is to blame, Humans are corruptible and let their greed and petty desires overwhelm their reasons. You know the phrase don’t kill the goose that lay golden eggs? That’s what the villagers did. Even they only care more about wealth, they still should’ve been wiser.
The turtle is a buddha, sent to test the humans. When the humans let their greed take over, he won his bet (probably with the monk). Fun fact, the monk is Tang Sanzhang’s previous incarnation. I guess this is in alignment with this chapter’s theme of greedy and selfishness, culminating with the final Yellow Robe boss.
@@lanc3779 he turtle is the first disciple of Tathagata Buddha, and Jinchanzu is the second disciple of the Tathagata. The turtle actually bewitched the person who attacked him. You can see that his collar seemed to be pulled before he acted, but the expression on the turtle's face was different when he fell. Like Laughing (3:00). That's why jinchanzu accused him
This led to the village at the end of the video. When the villagers realized what they had done, it's already too late. Over time, their village was abandoned and ruined upon their greed as many had lost their lives one by one.
Comment from a Chinese player: Huang Mei's animation is impossible to 'lose' at all. He was caught and immediately showed that he had jewelry in his flesh and blood. The soldiers didn't kill him, so he didn't think it was good. He showed kindness to the poor and weak, but they did not ask for more. Instead, they showed gratitude and offered sacrifices to him, which he did not consider good. Later, ordinary people established systems centered around him and even began to share wealth with more poor and weak people, but he did not consider it a good thing. Finally, a greedy person arrived, and he couldn't wait to pull that person over. In the end, it resulted in bad consequences, and he was finally satisfied. Human nature finally became evil, and he finally won. that called "Confuse people's minds and turn the fruit into the cause“- from Jinchanzi
@@giuseppeverdi8284 Buddhism focuses on causal relationships. Who causes people's greed. yellow brow？ I think he is a participant. he is a part of the cause. but the real cause is the immortals of Lingshan do not care about the people on ground. people suffered. These situations mentioned later in the game
Others have pointed out the deep meaning of this animation. I just wanna remind anyone watching this way too fast in full speed, DON'T. Just watch in 0.25x or pause frame by frame around 3:14 to 3:20 to feel what the studio wanna portray and make us feel through this piece of art. Easily the most brutal scene throughout the whole game, reminds me of some Berserk shit
"They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you, when the chips are down, these... these civilized people? They'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster, I'm just ahead of the curve." - Joker in The Dark Knight
Joker technically already lost the debate due to the existence of batman. Joker talked like the they were different existences from 'people', when both him and the batman are people as well. They represent the extremes of what people can be. Joker was trying to prove himself right to the person whose existence proves he is wrong
After rewatching this a few times, what strikes me the most is how sad it all is. The mortal realm is impoverished, ugly, dull. Yellowbrow introduces not only wealth but beauty and prosperity beyond their comprehension - even during the slaughter, the flashing grey frames reveal the how the mortals were united in suffering, and their joy of being released from it. Even the first thief, initially drawn as sensible, would throw away all self-preservation for the chance at prosperity. Anyone would. Many beautiful things to pick out from each and every chapter of this game!
Yellowbrow has a strong desire to win against Jinchanzi, and you can see in the game that he has taken on 4 disciples: NON-VOID, NON-ABLE, NON-PURE, NON-WHITE, which corresponds to Jinchanzi's reincarnation of Venerable Sanzang's 4 disciples: Wukong (aware of VOID), Wuneng (aware of ABLE, aka "Bajie"), Wujing (aware of PURE), White Dragon Horse (Little White-Loong)
Yellowbrow be like : "Two... Steps... Ahead..... I am always... Two steps ahead......" (Letting the peasants rip his body apart just for the "social experiment") 💀☠️
😂Yes but yellowbrow was beyond evil He committed so many crimes that this was nothing If you read character descriptions Yellowbrow killed thousands of people Manipulated guais Did his best to cheat others Enslaved dragons And also killed many of wukong friends
One of the best and most majestic songs in this game paired with one of the most poetic and purposefully unsettling scenes. And the fact that all this happened because of a debate between two monks about human nature.….and one simply wanted to prove the other wrong. Me and my brother had a little philosophical discussion after watching this scene. I feel like i learned something new :)
He couldn't have "lost" in the first place: He was salvagedashore, immediately to show people that there are jewels in his flesh and blood, officers and soldiers did not kill him, he did not feel good. He did favor to the poor and weak people, and the poor and weak people did not ask for more, but appreciated the gratitude to offer him, he did not think it was kind. Later, people set up a system around him, and even began to share wealth with more poor and weak people, which he did not think was kind. Finally, there came a greedy man, he even couldn't wait, pulled the man, and finally yielded bad results, he was finally satisfied, human nature was finally evil, and he finally won.
The turtle is yellow brow, of a different incarnation, he and Jinchanzi (Sanzang/ Wukong’s master) had the a same mentor and in the same branch, Yellowbrow debate against Jinchanzi, that the nature of Human is Evil, instead of Good, to prove his point he bet on his entire cycle to win against Jinchanzi, he came down to human world as a leatherneck turtle that bleed treasure, shed medicines, and spill mucus that turn people young and beautiful, eventually greed took over the village, they killed what they worship, and soon the village is abandoned because the social structure is destroyed along with the turtle god (in the cutscene, Yellowbrow summons tornadoes that bring forth fishes, but also destroyed fishing boats, he give people fish instead teaching people to fish). Jinchanzi came across Yellowbrow telling him he turned the cause and effect around but he made the point by his intention of proving a point.
I had a feeling that he was Sanzan or was at least connected to him. I kind of imagined Sanzan sounding something like that. (Despite not having gotten to him in the book yet, I'm still reading the beginning 😅)
@WanderingNerd21 Sanzhang is the human form/incarnation of jinchanzi without any power and memory, though, that's why they signed wukong to protect him.
Then why didn't the people overcome the will to greed. Then why did that citizen mutilated the beast willingly. It's always magic or any other superstious nonsense that can compel a person to do these things. It's craving that humans have. To aquire more and more of everything even at the cost of killing the turtle. That is yellow brows point. To test them yo see if they can overcome it and the people have failed. It's not just a means to an end, it's a fact. That is is something that sun Wukongs masterfully never understand. Just like Jesus, grandi, Buddha, even fictional character of yoda will never learn. They will suffer self-destructive consequences
@@krisonveloc25Buddha, Jesus, muhamad, foucoult, Derrida. Jordan peterson, Ben shapiro, Donald trump. Etc etc etc. They all proclaim to be God's or meaningful. But it's fueled by stupidity. Which leads to self-destructive results
Can I just say that the animation is amazing, for it to be in a game they really outdid themselves and I'm happy for the game getting so much love ❤🇨🇳👍🏻😎😘
There's also a very subtle detail, the turtle brought fortune and wellness to the village, but in the last scene, they still appear to poor, because the authorities took over, and they only give the villagers what they worked for...kinda ironic isn't it? Humanity's desire to control things and unwilling to share, even if the resources are unlimited...
well that isn't the effect of humans, there is a reason the world we live in was not made with such a situation, something that can give unlimited resources will in any situation either by worshipped and dependent on by those who have never had wealth, or milked for resources by those who are wealthy and want to advance in their life. They put these creatures in a unnatural situation and expected them to act naturally, it mirrors someone specifically pressuring and annoying one person, barraging them with insults, and then calling them violent and threatening to call the cops after they punch you in the face. But in this case it's more like a type of grooming. If you want to show how humanity or mortals are evil, then you have to show a situation created by themselves. Infact I take that as a reason why humanity will never meet their gods until death, for they know better.
Wrong interpretation. Yellowbrow made them to depend their economy on him. He destroyed their boats using tornadoes he created to give them fish. He gave them jewelry as reward instead of letting them trade with the outside. The authorities created order to dispense it fairly. Humans are all good, it’s just that we are weak to temptation.
They weren't poor, just dressed in their casual clothes. In the previous scene at the temple they all have fancy clothes. The villagers had managed to create an organized and sustainable system that evenly distributed the pearls that Yellowbrow produced so he wouldn't have to cut himself too much and everyone got their needs covered. This had the potential to stay like that forever with everyone living happily which is why Yellowbrow had to shit all over it and force the outcome with magic.
Buddhism emphasizes this idea of "nothingness" and how only thru nothingness can one escape the cycle of life and death. That's the true meaning of this story. Yellowbrow did an experiment try to prove humans greedy, yet by doing the experiment, Yellowbrow himself fell into the cycle of life and death, winning and losing. If yellowbrow had really achieved nothingness, he would not have conducted the experiment, and the villagers would not have destroyed themselves with greed, and lived peacefully through their lives. So, the irony is the more yellowbrow tried to prove himself, the more unqualified he was at Buddhahood.
Oh he did alot more than that If you read the character descriptions Yellowbrow has killed thousands of people and guais for amusement or control . He was as bad as u can imagine.
Actually no, he gave them a ton of fish at a point where they had nothing, while yes prices of sea products would drop they would not have starved. Since he only gave them something as simple as pearls while the pearls are cheap in their local economy they can trade them far away from goods and products in places with out pearls. It would have taken centuries for their price to drop and even then they would be very valuable.
Yellowbrow give the villagers free pearls just by bleeding it, this is just like using a machine to print money. I am surprised this doesn't caused some pearl inflation.
@@HWDragonborn He's only one creature and pearls can be traded far and wide. It's like having an enormous gold mine, if you're the only one with such a mine you decide the price.
He destroyed the ships so they would have to rely on him to survive and then they showed kindness and made rules, worshipping him as a god. In time he gave in to his own greed to win the bet and cast a spell on that man and pulled the man towards him. So in a way he won because humans turned evil but it was also done so by his chaos nature and so in a way he also lost. He was never satisfied when humans showed good deeds, he wanted them to be evil and this would satisfy his ego.
You interpreted it wrong. Your first thought was right. That turtle was the evil one. That's why the monk at the end said that what the turtle did is "absurd and pathetic".
That yellow eyebrow who established his own ancestral temple also benefited the people and scattered his precious pearls to them; But there were people who were not greedy enough and used sharp blades to cut open his belly and snatch the treasures from him; At first, the officers and soldiers protected him, but later like the mob, they snatched him up! It shows that human hearts cannot be bought off by charity. Buddha is emptiness, emptiness is Buddha, and the righteous path in the world is vicissitudes.
*NONE SENSE!* by Zhelai 2:32 Three realms (The Desire, the Form, and the Formless Realm) 2:34 Four continents (Uttarakuru, Jambudvipa, Godana, Purva-Videha) 2:37 Have no desire of it 2:43 so redemption is no more 2:48 Long night 2:51 Sunrise 2:54 Right, wrong, light, dark 3:00 are inverted! 3:03 All feeling-living 3:05 mortal beings 3:08 Love, hatred, greed, anger, live, death 3:13 INTERWOVEN! ... (this part is in full song) Causality- Karma Can't be ignored... Human desire... Is the way of NATURAL ORDER!
It is similar to situation if drugs should be legalized. Can normal ppl resist it's temptation？China has a strict law against all drugs and of course against weeds as well, which is like out casting the turtles in the first place. Well some countries gradually invite the turtle in. Human nature is not to be tested and what we can do is to maintain the balance between self control and existing temptation. Intentional using temptation to ruin the order, to ruin others life for self interest, Huangmei is like a mythical version of drug dealer
From the graphics, music to the story behind this scene, it is both scary and epic. Jinchanji (in Tripitaka's previous life, he was Wukong's master) and his Brother the Turtle in the video made a bet with each other: Is human greed limitless? And as we have seen, there is no limit at all. When people are given something, they just want more and more. The senior brother said: "I won." But Jinchanji only said: "Isn't it sad that you only care about winning or losing like that?" Is it because people are greedy, or is it because "gods" have given them too much to arouse that greed? Is greed due to nature, or is it formed by external influences?
There is also an interesting thing here. The order that men “fallen” are Shudras(poor villagers), Vaisyas(merchants), Kshatriyas(officers) and last Brahmins(monks). Indian might know what I mean.
Some might argue that Yellowbrow provoked the villagers into killing him to prove that human nature is inherently evil, and to some extent, I agree. However, that doesn't absolve the villagers of guilt. When Yellowbrow revealed the treasure beneath his flesh, the villagers refrained from harming him and instead worshipped him. Was this out of fear of his power, greed for more blessings, or simply respect? Yet, once one man injured him, no one intervened to stop the violence; instead, they all joined the mob. This moment not only unleashed their greed but also made them realize that even a god can be vulnerable. In the end, neither the villagers nor Yellowbrow can be seen as truly innocent.
What yellowbrow did was like, you want to prove a plastic cup is better than a glass cup , so you drop them from a 30 floors building. Then you go like, see I told you so. Problem is what if we change the experiment and go with fire burning? What yellowbrow doing is brainwash, however correct he might seem to be
I find this short story fascinating firstly the people of this village are poor and starving and at first it looks like they may have put him on a pyre and were about too burn him either too cook him for food or because they may have though he was a evil creature bringing them misfortune but in that moment he lures them in with treasure, youth, food and other miracles but if you look closly these only mask his intentions. He crates a waterspout too give food but it also destroys some boats removing their independence and creating a reliance, he then heals a child but with no long term food the boy will wither again, all these temprary miracles show his power whilst also creating a reliance. as time goes on you see all those who serve at the temple in fine clothes all seem youthful and well fed whilst all others are still poor and starved the temple is taking tributes and keeping them for itself and in return they give out pearls which yellow brow provides and what can poor starving people do with pearls can't eat them and can't trade them atleast not near by, that village will be saturated with pearls and will have no value so the starving people starve whilst beliving they are saved and so Yellow Brow makes himself the beating heart of this village only too make them stab it too death and the village fades forever
It is never a good question to ask if human beings are inherently good or evil. Humans are like a piece of white paper: you can paint beautiful or ugly things on the paper just like you can guide one towards good or evil
It's a story about yellowbrow. He manipulated the poor people to prove his point that people are born greedy. It shows that he only cares about winning arguments, and will go to lengths to prove his points.
That' just the surface though. Second level is human nature being evil or not, or in buddhism, whether humanity can be educated and led to enlightenment. Third level is result vs reason. As the monk laughed on the turtles for the invalidity of his experiment by coming into the bet with a planned play on humanity. Fourth is his insistance on winning. Insistance being an evil in Bhuddism and obstacle to enlightenment itself, explaining why Yellow Brow has seemingly won the bet but at the same time already lost.
it's Yellowbrow, the boss, he turnyhinself into a turtle and put greed to humans just to prove a point and when humans started to get civilized, he cheated with one evil
This magical supernatural being, to me was nature, while people depicted human greed of taking more and more from nature not knowing when to stop themselves. Then I watched an American streamer play the game arrive to the same sequence and depict the supernatural being as the millionaire and the humans as the poor people; funny how you can arrive at different meaning based on your life experience through arts.
You are right my conclusion was even if god exist he would not show himself to the world because the people will tear him apart for thier own greed. I think they already do they only go to him because they think he can make everything right. People like god because they think they can benefit from him.
Yes.. channels like avenuex and empressxv who detailed every chapter really makes me even more astonished just how clever game science connecting all the characters and lore from JTTW
Jinchanzi, aka "Golden Cicada," and Huangmei, aka "Yellow Brow," hold very different beliefs on human nature. To simplify, Yellowbrow believes human nature is inherently evil, while Jinchanzi believes human nature can be good or evil, depending on how it is guided. *SPOILER* In the animation, Yellowbrow conducts a "social experiment" where he becomes this magical creature that tempts the villagers with wealth, health, and youth. Eventually, he tricks the villagers into killing him and creates chaos. Then, he concludes that human nature is evil because humans crave superficial things and are willing to hurt others to acquire more. But we can clearly see the flaw in this: it is not wrong to have desires; it's all about whether we have the proper guidance or not. If we pay close attention, we will see the village maintains an excellent order to distribute the "gifts" given by Yellowbrow until he lures one of the villagers into cutting him open. Yellowbrow is so obsessed with winning and losing that he guides the "experiment objects" to an outcome that favors him. This is why Jinchanzi says, "You chose a means to an end, not a proof," and "You sow chaos in hearts just for the sake of winning."
Pardon my ignorance here, but is this scene / scenario in the plot of Journey to the West? I found this scene to be very compelling and would love to explore it further.
It reminds me of that story of Buddha telling a young disciple that if he masters meditation, he will go to a heaven full of beautiful women. Buddha knew that desires and greed exist in human heart. He never blamed humans for it. Instead, he tried his best to channel even greed towards something positive. He helped people find peace in spite of their greed. This a**hole is the opposite of Buddha.
Black Myth Wukong Cast re-enact voice lines from the Game: ruclips.net/video/fnI8-ufdyNU/видео.htmlsi=CX8NF7QJ3o3Z1zdL
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When you want to test how hard a piece of glass is, it is already destined to break.
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The story is more than just about the human greed.
Disclaim: :this is just a fiction developed based off Journey to the West, not actually related to religion.
Jin Chanzi the monk=>the previous incarnation of Tang SanZang
Turtle spirit=>the previous incarnation of Yellow Brow, and the turtle wasn’t his true form. He just temporarily appeared as turtle.
The monk and the turtle, they were Dharma brothers practicing Buddhism under the same lineage. That’s why the monk called him 师兄(Shi Xiong/Senior Brother) in the Chinese dub.
They had differing views over human nature and the turtle believed that humans were inherently evil (humans are evil by nature->therefore they will turn greedy and have bad deed eventually), and the turtle had very twisted obsession to win the debate.
To prove himself right, he descended into the mortal realm and appeared as a giant turtle, purposely letting the impoverished villagers capture him. Then he started showing off his super natural powers including healing, secreting pearls, granting youth and beauty, fishing from sea using water bending etc.
Being plagued with poverty for so long, the impoverished villagers started insanely worshipping him as the Buddha’s avatar (which is a lie and going against Buddha’s teaching). The insatiable desires grew as much as the lives of the people there were bettered.
Instead of offering guidance and teaching people to grow wiser and be self-resilient, the giant turtle intentionally gave them the easy way out and cultivated their greed and made them heavily dependent on him. At the end, the villagers lost their sanity as he expected.
And he proudly said to his junior brother Jin Chanzi that he won the debate and proved that humans were simply evil.
Jin Chanzi criticised him for “ inverting the consequence and cause” i.e. creating a desired consequence and to prove his own belief of the existence of an evil nature within man.
Ps: [祸乱人心, 倒果为因 / sowing misguidance among people to cause chaos, inverting the consequence and cause] is the original line in the Chinese dub
got translated as “ choose means over ends”
he did win the debate but it doesn't make him right. doesn't matter the circumstance, human will eventually give in to greed and selfishness
@@JonMow nah😩😩i don't really agree on that ...yes he won, but only under specific circumstances -- the test subjects he chose were poor, busy dealing with hardship and probably lack of exposure to the bigger world as well as impact of karma & the samsara
it is like putting candies in front of 3-year-olds and tell them to resist temptation with them yet to develop the deep cognition and intelligence to understand the purpose of resisting it.
It is wrong to say human is inherently kind, and same goes to "evilness".
That also goes back to the Buddhist believes --
1.all sentient beings (including human) are malleable and there is single inherent nature to it. Not kindness not evilness.
2.unelightened sentient beings are constantly involved in process of reincarnation and undergoing different life forms depending on their karma, like going back n forth btw human, youguai, celestial beings (like the Yellow Brow himself), animals, bugs or suffering souls in hell etc. so there is no reason to discriminate any of them.
3. Not only undergoing different life forms, uneligtened ones also uncontrollably undergo states of being kind/evil depending on their karmic habits and cycles. Good people can go evil, vice versa. Because there is simply no fixed nature in sentient beings. The Yellow Brow has no reasons to justify his discrimination against man.
Buddhas don't just naturally exist as Buddhas from the start. They, like Jin Chanzi or Yellow Brow or the villagers, were also once wandering souls in the universe. And after eons of being good and bad, some of the souls begin to seek ways to ascend beyond mortal. And after eons of attempts, they find the way. Then after eons of cultivation, they are fully enlightened.
That Yellow Brow rigged the situation to justify his view is just sheer ignorance and arrogance. Or pathetic like what Jin Chanzi said.
@@JonMow
i don't agree on that ...yes he won, but only under specific circumstances -- most of the test subjects he chose were poor, busy dealing with hardship and probably lack of exposure to the bigger world as well as impact of karma & the samsara, even there were some monks and officials among them, they probably don’t see beyond their current lives.
It is like putting candies in front of 3-year-olds and tell them to resist temptation with them yet to develop the deep cognition and intelligence to understand the purpose & significance of resisting it.
People don’t raise their kids by simply giving kids what they want all the time because that sure ruins the kids for good.
Guiding souls to mature has same logic.
Also It is wrong to say human is inherently kind/evil.
That also goes back to the Buddhist believes --
1.all sentient beings (including human) are malleable and there is not a single inherent nature to them. Not kindness not evilness.
2.unelightened sentient beings are constantly reincarnating and taking different life forms depending on their karma, like going back n forth between being human, yaoguai, celestial beings (like the Yellow Brow himself), animals, bugs or suffering souls in hell etc. so there is no reason to discriminate any of them.
3. Not only undergoing different life forms, uneligtened ones also uncontrollably undergo states of being kind/evil depending on their karmic habits and cycles. Good people can go evil, vice versa. Because there is simply no fixed nature in sentient beings. The Yellow Brow has no reasons to justify his discrimination against man.
Buddhas don't just naturally exist as Buddhas from the start. They, like Jin Chanzi or Yellow Brow or the villagers, were also once wandering souls in the universe. And after eons years of reincarnation and being good and bad, some of the souls begin to seek ways to ascend beyond mortal. And after eons years of attempts, they find the way. Then after eons years of cultivation, they are fully enlightened.
The purpose of spiritual practice is not for one to ascend to a higher plane and obtain supernatural power/immortality then use it to judge the less fortunate ones.
That Yellow Brow rigged the situation to justify his view is just sheer ignorance and arrogance. Or pathetic like what Jin Chanzi said.
@@zl4101 lot of them were monks who chanting sutra when he got slaughtered they reach their hands out to collect the pearls. the law officials suppose to be on the side of justice soon join the group and start looting his body. the court official who counting pearl to give to the poor suppose to be man of virtue soon join the group. give them chances and times, people will lose themselves.if they don't join the group they will lose their loot
@@JonMowhumans won't give into greed that's biologically not how it works. We are social animals
The greed you are referring to comes from capatalism nature vs. nurture and all that...capatalism is what creates inequality and inequality, creates greed
Our self preservation is trumped by the preservation of the species
He picked a poor fishing village to test.
1. When he was rescued by fishermen, they already knew he is not human, but rescued him anyway.
2. When rescued, he can’t wait to show fishermen that he has golds and pearls under his skins. Yet, the villagers didn’t kill him.
3. Instead villagers worshipped him, sent him tributes, built temples. It’s “fair trade”
4. Official and monks didn’t take the treasures themselves. They hire someone to dispense them fairly.
5. When that one villager was lured, officials first reaction was to stop him and other mobs. They were trying to maintain orders.
Humankind has proven lots of time that they are not greedy nor heartless, but Huang Mei only needs to win once.
If one means to test the hardness of something, one will break it eventually. Don’t push humanity to limit.
He also destroyed several fishermen boats when he made it rain. So they were forced to be dependent on him.
The argument is human nature is evil. However, by interfering with nature, Yellow Brow has already lost the argument.
Well said.
@@louie2747 you think they'll keep fishing when they get free gold?
@@dv9239 Maybe, maybe not... but yellowbrow has pretty much funneled every single attention to him. Now they pretty much have nothing to live off of but him, effectively exacerbating the problem.
The first time I saw this without context was genuinely horrifying
Legit, I came across this cutscene in a video that popped up in my recommendation, I clicked on it because it looked funky, I saw the animation and slowly locked in, then the turtle got torn apart and I was absolutely in awe at how unsettling it felt watching those people tear apart the very thing that tried to help them.
@@theoriginalman9426 everything just feels so, disgusting, even the gold and gems were kinda gooey and weird, then the turtle got viciously ripped apart by demon people and then the music started screaming, they did a great job making it feel disturbing
Same. Got a recommendation right under the first vid to watch the full ending.
@@theoriginalman9426 It didn't want to help them, though. It wanted to screw them up so they would become greedy and destroy their own village, proving his belief that humans are evil.
First show that comes to mind when I saw this cutscene was devilman crybaby
I thought it was about a story of greed but by the end it was for vindication. The turtle knew that the village was suffering and instead of freeing them of their suffering he made them suffer more all to win a bet that humans are evil. He did not win. Only made an example.
I feel like I'm missing something, how did he make them suffer more? how could he have quickly ended their suffering?
@@SchwarzeSun In Buddha teaching life is a cycle of suffering and rebirth. If you do bad things you become poor as punishment in your next life or become an animal in the next afterlife. If you do good you go higher in the cycle. Because he made them crave for greed and because he played with their greed he sent them too damnation. Therefore the village was abandoned and in a much worse state when he died.
@@SchwarzeSunIn the myth, he also used his powers to storms to the village and essentially wreck their whole economy before he even got there. Then when he did get there, instead of giving them better fishing techniques or teaching them how to build better boats or create better medicine, he quickly made then dependent on him and his magic. Of course the humans were going to go crazy after all that. Had their village not been ruined already, they likely wouldn't have been so desperate.
@@SchwarzeSun You can look to the village after people tear the turtle apart. In stead of wealthy village with tons of robbed jewelry, it's totally collapsed and noone alive. It's their karma.
@@SchwarzeSunafter the turtle has no more skin left, the land has become Baron, disease spread, fish never swim in the village, water has dried out, and the human must have used up all their belongings
Jin Chanzi won this debate.Yellow Brow presented a terrifying appearance and intentionally exposed the jewelry inside, but people did not kill him and even enshrined him, establishing rules. These kindness, He pretended didn't exist, intentionally guided someone to break the rules, and then he say, 'Humans are really evil.'. In fact, without the concept of kindness, there would be no concept of evil. Someone first established the rules of kindness and expected people to abide by them. Only those who break the rules are called evil. If the rules did not exist from the beginning, they could not be broken. All humans follow instincts like wild lions and elephants. You won't judge an elephant as evil, you won't judge a baby as evil.
concept of kindness, there would be no concept of evil - this is a western ideology. Do not be confused it with Buddhism or Daoism. Buddhism speak plainly about cause and effect, not good or evil. Daoism speak about the way of "nature".
Think you are confused good and evil with Yin and Yang.
it is more like salvation and suffering when it comes to Buddhism. Yellowbrow was arguing with Jinchanzi whether humanity deserved salvation. He rigged his experiment to show that humanity deserved suffering, while Jinchanzi took his journey to prove the opposite.
He forcefully made the guy do it
personally I do judge babies as evil but I see your point with the elephant and the lion
Yellowbrow argued that Immortals are inherently superior to mortals in character especially yet he did something a two bit redditor would do so very much so. Yellowbrow played himself.
I think yellowbrow triggered the man to cut him open. Before the poor man went crazy with the knife, the animation is like casting a spell that empties the mind. Yellowbrow probably did not like he was about to lose because people falling in line and getting civilized. But then it only takes one evil for everyone to follow.
Your prediction is correct, Yellow Brow proved greeds by his experiment steps by steps like this
@@crosschannel1728是的就如金蝉子所言，黄眉在颠倒因果。。。
All it took was a little push, human nature did the rest.
Considering there was something physically pulled the man forward, I say it's highly likely
You can see the man's jacket is pulled by an invisible force: the turtle pushed him over the edge. I like how complex that made the turtles bet: humans did eventually give in to greed, but he cheated. How long would it have taken without his push? He made it nearly impossible for them to win, choosing an impoverished place and instead of teaching them anything that could better them, lavishing them with excessive wealth and fortune
Yellow brow reversed the logics of karma, he wants to prove human are greedy, which is the result he wants to prove. But Jin Chanzi claimed the greeds among human are actually the reason and cause, instead of result. Yellow brow used the greeds of human to achieve the result he wants to prove.This is like a scenario that you are going to find a problem when you already know the answer. With out yellow brow’s involvement, those civilians are probably not going to devoured by greeds.
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It's like writing a paper with confirmation bias. It reminds me of a project I done. The purpose was to find a way to reduce carbon foot print, but the solution was decided in the beginning and the rest of the work is to collect piece of information that in favour of the original proposal instead of find the actual way. We know that we do it just for the purpose of passing the course with a decent grade, in which we did achieved.
Yeah, he allowed his body to be ripped apart just to win a ridiculous debate which ultimately served no point
He's just a fuse.Human greed and selfishness have always existed, but they are hidden in their hearts and have not been stimulated.Once triggered, the consequences are just like those in the animation.
@until-w4m Not exactly hidden but rather contained by each person sense of morality. Not every poor person steals, not every thief is driven by greed. The turtle is not a fuse, he is gasoline slowly spray on a pile of dried leaves, a temptation that slowly warped the villagers morality.
okay, yes, human's greed is limitless. BUT the turtle did something to win the bet against Jinchanzi. 2:13 you can see something pull his shirt, something blind his eyes. I think the turtle did that. Jinchanzi knew that, he did not blame human but the turtle 4:14. so this animation is not just about human's greed, it's also about the ego for winning.
Well spotted
Exactly!
All he did was give him a little shove, Human nature did the rest.
@@deadmanslastwish him being there at all, replacing the mortals needs with him alone, was not a little shove, destroying ships so he would be the only resource they need is much more then a little shove. This is a tactic that many wealthy colonizers have used. The only difference is that this creature wanted to make himself look the victim in the end.
I thought I was the only who noticed that! Like as if an invisible force pulled him the scruff of his shirt towards the turtle.
A fishing village so poor it faces famine, yet when they catch prey, they don't divide it on the spot but bring it back to share with everyone in the village-this is the first good deed. Seeing treasure inside a monster and not immediately killing it to split the wealth-this is the second good deed. Accepting the monster's gifts, they know to show gratitude and even create an idol to worship-this is the third good deed. The wealth they receive isn’t hoarded by the ruling class but is shared among all the villagers-this is the fourth good deed. Despite all these good deeds, YellowBrow still nudges those with greed, and yet the soldiers’ first reaction is to maintain order, and the monks still chant in hopes of repentance. And YellowBrow still thinks he’s won? Isn’t that ridiculous? Is it really fair to make the simplistic and harsh conclusion that humans are inherently greedy?
On the Chinese internet, the process of attaining Buddhahood is often compared to writing a thesis to earn a PhD. YellowBrow frequently fabricates data, violating academic integrity, which is why he isn’t recognized by others.
YellowBrow: Looks like I've won again this time.
Jin Chanzi: Senior brother, you've fabricated data for your thesis again, haven't you?
nice example
Yellowbrow really went about pushing the goal post just to feel some kind of satisfaction of being right, despite being proven wrong so many times. No wonder the stench of shattered ego was strong.
@@realmwarssIIYellow Brow did not straight up manipulated everyone so they would fulfill his wish of "humans are all greedy". He did not have to show the villagers he secreesed pearls. He destroyed their means to obtain fish so they would be entirely dependant on him. He literally pulled with his mind a poor man and probably also enchanted the people so they would massacre him. In the end he only made things in such a way that only really desperate people would act upon DESPERATION and not GREED
They didn't rob him straight away because that is not how humans work, unless they are straight up pirates. It is always subtle. At first everyone is greatful. Then some start to doubt. Then some start to talk about how what they get for free is not enough and they deserve more or how their benefactor is hidding something from them. Then someone starts the riot and does what everybody else was secretly thinking. That's how it always goes. It is not only greed, it is also about getting stuff for free without working for it. That's what makes humans mad with greed in the end even if they weren't greedy before.
@@johntheknight3062 Oh believe some humans even on the smallest scale do work that. Yes you are correct, but in this situation you can see a god manipulation a village for his egotistic goals to be proven right. You can literally see how te shirt of the first fishermannto strike being pulled towards him, he literally had to drag someone to attack. And again, the people "saved" him without knowing what he could give them, thr Turtle did not have to cut his skin to show them the gold icor
Man the music is….actually insane once it kicks in 2:29 like it feels so twisted compared to when you hear it from the official trailer 3 years ago. I just finished chapter 3 and after watching this cutscene, I’m pretty sure this is without question a 10/10 game for me.
which trailer is this?
@@ngzeren5427 The official UE5 gameplay trailer.
三界
四州
无所求
不可救！
@@arl5012三姐四舅
Whats music name??
He was fished out from the abyss and immediately showed others that there were jewels in his flesh and bones. Villagers didn't kill or rob him, but he didn’t consider it an act of kindness.
He bestowed favors upon the weak and poor, who, instead of asking for more, expressed their gratitude by honoring him, yet he didn’t see it as kindness either.
People built a system around him, even starting to share wealth with the poor and the weak, but he still didn't view it as kindness.
Years past, a greedy person came along. He couldn’t wait to pull that person up, and in the end, countless lives were destroyed...
At last, he was satisfied. "Humanity had finally revealed its evil, and I had proven humans are lesser being compare to us gods."😎
That's also what Yellow Eyebrow is trying to prove in the game. One of his students disagreed with him, he had him tied up and kneeled, but Non-Able never admits it. Yellow Eyebrow just proved how pathetic he is
@@YingjieYang-ChampY and the fact that Non-able was the most competent of the four false disciples in both gameplay and in the original novel is also a testament to why Yellowbrow was wrong on so many levels.
To make things worst, the "Greedy" man isnt greedy.
If you paid attention, Yellowbrow used his sorcery to charm the man into committing his action.
Thus purposely using the "Broken Window" psychology trick to rig the villagers into rioting.
They didn't rob him straight away because that is not how humans work, unless they are straight up pirates. It is always subtle. At first everyone is greatful. Then some start to doubt. Then some start to talk about how what they get for free is not enough and they deserve more or how their benefactor is hidding something from them. Then someone starts the riot and does what everybody else was secretly thinking. That's how it always goes. It is not only greed, it is also about getting stuff for free without working for it. That's what makes humans mad with greed in the end even if they weren't greedy before.
Mortals fear the consequence, yet Bodhisattvas fear the cause. Yellow Brow made himself a cause just for winning a debate, that's why JinChan Zi said it's pathetic.
this is the best comment for this video I found
Modern translation of the dialogue at the end of the film;
"Senior brother, you've been on Reddit all day again, huh?"
"Junior brother, look at this! The people in this forum are so dumb. I posted a bait thread and caught a ton of them!"
"You're right, but is it really worth it? You bait them by playing dumb, but then get roasted hard. Is it all worth the trouble?"
"What are you talking about? I go online specifically for the arguments!"
GG. 钓鱼执法不可取。
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If you read the character descriptions
Yellowbrow has killed thousands of people and guais for amusement or control .
He was as bad as u can imagine. 😊
Finally, English. All this talk about means and ends is really difficult for those who don't speak Chinese.
Oh fuck, maybe I am Yellowbrow.
The animation in Chapter 3 is really great, especially the scene of people grabbing jewelry, which is worth watching frame by frame. Each picture is a work of art with high information content
Do you know what this type of animation is called? Ive been looking for the name for a while now
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Can't imagine how freaking long it took them to animate all this
@@malikalghul273sakugaaaaaaaaa 🗣️🗣️🗣️
This ending is animated by one of Chainsaw Man directors
@@vk69525Oh, yeah. I totally see it now.
At 3:58 in the chinese language, Jinchanzi said "speak human" which made me burst out laughing despite it was supposed to be a sad scene😂
See i am using the english dub and if they dubbed it as "speak human" I wouldve laughed too lmao
hahaha If I am the translator I would put "Speak English" in that hahah.
Indeed I was thinking the English version sounds so polite while the Chinese one said "speak human language" made me laugh too lol
我覺得這也是在諷刺他吧哈哈哈哈哈
speak as a human
The original lore is a bit different from the game lore. Yellow Brown in the game is an egotistical character who always think that he has achieved enlightening and posed as a Buddha because he saw the darkness in humanity. He love to bring out the darkness and pass judgement upon on other but never sought to help/ redeem them and Buddhism is actually the opposite of what he was doing.
This is exactly the game lore as shown here in the animation.
This story happened in the Earlier Era of Investiture of the gods thousands of years before journey to the west. The setting was prior the schism in the Buddhist belief. Yellowbrow was supposed to represent a Theravada Buddhist and Jinchanzi a Mahayana Buddhist.
How was this any different? That is what I got from it....
0:55 If you notice Yellowbrow also put his hand up same as the Buddha. In the original lore it did say that despite being deviant, his deep desire was to one day attain Buddhaship himself.
这首歌作曲：者來女，作词：冯骥。冯骥是游戏科学的老板、制作人、策划，实际上游戏里所有歌词都是冯骥作词！奇才！
This song was composed by Zhelai Nu and written by Feng Ji. Feng Ji is the boss, producer, and planner of Game Science. In fact, all the lyrics in the game were written by Feng Ji! Genius!
The moral here isn't just about human greed, it's about just how stupid and even harmful it can be to try and win stupid arguments
Yeah. Yellow Brow was being petty. He wanted to win a gamble and then cheated (if the dude who stabbed him was indeed being controlled by Yellow Brow himself).
@@FayeLawnKrack3d The thing is, he likely would have gotten fhe results he wanted eventually, but even then, OK, fine. Yes, humans can ve greedy jerks, especially when desperate. Thank you for proving that point and getting all of your flesh ripped apart in the process /s
I don't know, sort of made me reevaluate how I approach arguments
@@rosesweetcharlotte When the fisherman pulled up the Yellowbrow turtle and discovered that it could produce jewels by injuring itself, the villagers did not tear it apart. In fact, at that moment, Yellowbrow had already lost.
@@PYuuka-j6f Could point, he kept having to escalate things.
That Yellow Brow fucker cheated, dude!
On the surface, this story tells of humans killing giant turtles that constantly bestow their wealth on them because of their greed for wealth.But the final outcome reveals a deeper meaning of this story. The old turtle is Huangmei's reincarnation, who deliberately lured humans with wealth to make them obtain without effort in order to prove that human nature is greedy and cannot be changed for good through Buddhist teachings.From the very beginning, he deliberately adopted means to stimulate people's inner greed in order to prove his theory was correct. It is similar to the story of shooting an arrow first and then drawing a target. So this story is not about human greed like the first one, but about Huangmei's obsession. He did everything he could to prove himself right to Jinchanzi, which corresponds to the Buddhist concept of obsession as one of the three poisons.(The first story corresponds to greed, and the second story corresponds to anger)
In detail, you can see that when the person who took a knife to hurt the old turtle made his first move, his collar was pulled forward. At the same time, the eyes of the old turtle glowed, suggesting that he was casting a spell and manipulating the first person to harm himself in order to lure others into action.Meanwhile, in the subsequent scene where he falls dead, if you reverse the camera and look at it, you can see that his mouth is tilted up when he dies, smiling because he firmly believes that he has won again.
when he first show his blood could turn to treasure 0:42, the official didn't kill him, he saw no good in mankind;
when he showed his healing power 0:58, people did not kill him, he saw no good in mankind;
when he gave plentyful food 1:10, people did not force him to provide more, he saw no good in mankind;
when he was idlized and worshiped in a temple, he saw no good in mankind;
He denied so much goodness just to prove his idea that human nature are evil, to win.
good point, yellowbrow is a misanthrope
I had chills near the end of the song when the music was getting more intense. My god, my jaw was on the floor. Absolutely beautiful. This game is insane.
"If not for winning, why debate over means and ends?"
This sentence hit me so hard.
English not my first language so when I hear this first time my brain think it said something like
"If not for 'winning', why we 'debate' over good or bad in the first place?"
Like some human or god or evil or monsters each have their own reason in their actions and think their mindset always right.
However when other party doesn't think the same. So they start debate.
At first it just debating with words but At the last it became conflict and maybe war
...Just for 'winning for the right' in their mindset...
你看懂了，西方文化和东方文化的区别。西方宗教为基础的文化，必须有一个天使和恶魔。在东方则不然。仔细看妖怪的故事，其实妖怪基本都是好人！
Many comments didn’t consider the last line important. Yellowbrow inducing people's greed is just the first layer of this story.
Even I find this scene sad. Though the “Turtle” is to blame, Humans are corruptible and let their greed and petty desires overwhelm their reasons. You know the phrase don’t kill the goose that lay golden eggs? That’s what the villagers did. Even they only care more about wealth, they still should’ve been wiser.
The turtle is a buddha, sent to test the humans. When the humans let their greed take over, he won his bet (probably with the monk). Fun fact, the monk is Tang Sanzhang’s previous incarnation.
I guess this is in alignment with this chapter’s theme of greedy and selfishness, culminating with the final Yellow Robe boss.
@@lanc3779he just wanted to defeat the monk
@@lanc3779 he turtle is the first disciple of Tathagata Buddha, and Jinchanzu is the second disciple of the Tathagata. The turtle actually bewitched the person who attacked him. You can see that his collar seemed to be pulled before he acted, but the expression on the turtle's face was different when he fell. Like Laughing (3:00). That's why jinchanzu accused him
Turtle is betting with the monk.
Turtle win
This led to the village at the end of the video. When the villagers realized what they had done, it's already too late. Over time, their village was abandoned and ruined upon their greed as many had lost their lives one by one.
Comment from a Chinese player: Huang Mei's animation is impossible to 'lose' at all. He was caught and immediately showed that he had jewelry in his flesh and blood. The soldiers didn't kill him, so he didn't think it was good. He showed kindness to the poor and weak, but they did not ask for more. Instead, they showed gratitude and offered sacrifices to him, which he did not consider good. Later, ordinary people established systems centered around him and even began to share wealth with more poor and weak people, but he did not consider it a good thing. Finally, a greedy person arrived, and he couldn't wait to pull that person over. In the end, it resulted in bad consequences, and he was finally satisfied. Human nature finally became evil, and he finally won. that called "Confuse people's minds and turn the fruit into the cause“- from Jinchanzi
But at the same time, all these people deep down inside wanted to do the same thing, it just takes one person to bring about chaos.
@@giuseppeverdi8284 Buddhism focuses on causal relationships. Who causes people's greed. yellow brow？ I think he is a participant. he is a part of the cause. but the real cause is the immortals of Lingshan do not care about the people on ground. people suffered. These situations mentioned later in the game
That means if someone has some wealth so every other person ought to rob him like it's their job 😂
Others have pointed out the deep meaning of this animation. I just wanna remind anyone watching this way too fast in full speed, DON'T. Just watch in 0.25x or pause frame by frame around 3:14 to 3:20 to feel what the studio wanna portray and make us feel through this piece of art. Easily the most brutal scene throughout the whole game, reminds me of some Berserk shit
I have to say this animation would fit for a berserk anime. Colourful enough and greety enough.
@@julianswinton5355 it is a reference to cry baby
It is a reference to cry baby
@@everydayhappy965 whats cry baby
@@AMRITPALSINGH-xo6dz oh the japanese animation called cry baby, the ending part give me the same vibe
The stories and meanings shown in the animations at the end of each chapter are so profound. This is top-notch art.
It’s so deep and dark, man!
"They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you, when the chips are down, these... these civilized people? They'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster, I'm just ahead of the curve."
- Joker in The Dark Knight
Joker technically already lost the debate due to the existence of batman.
Joker talked like the they were different existences from 'people', when both him and the batman are people as well. They represent the extremes of what people can be. Joker was trying to prove himself right to the person whose existence proves he is wrong
Anyone else get the feeling at 3:00 Yellowbrow is giving a smile of victory?
Yellowbrow is an idiot, he'll lose 😂.
He definitely was,wow,what a malicious,malevolent,manipulative,morbid creature
He is. He is winning the debate.
@@derickgannon the lesson is he won by causing the very thing he was arguing for
I really don't know sir. He sowed Chaos and he reaped Chaos. He called it a win for him. @@DPowered2
Mr.beast previous incarnation
hahahahahahahahahhaah W comment
LMAO
dude literally 🤣
bro straight up data dredging for his paper
This was my favorite out of all of them
The animation was truly fantastic, you can see numerous details each second you paused
After rewatching this a few times, what strikes me the most is how sad it all is. The mortal realm is impoverished, ugly, dull. Yellowbrow introduces not only wealth but beauty and prosperity beyond their comprehension - even during the slaughter, the flashing grey frames reveal the how the mortals were united in suffering, and their joy of being released from it. Even the first thief, initially drawn as sensible, would throw away all self-preservation for the chance at prosperity. Anyone would.
Many beautiful things to pick out from each and every chapter of this game!
2:33 i cried
This is the equivalent of making someone sit down, putting a plate of food in front of them, and then accusing them of stealing if they eat it.
Yellowbrow has a strong desire to win against Jinchanzi, and you can see in the game that he has taken on 4 disciples:
NON-VOID,
NON-ABLE,
NON-PURE,
NON-WHITE,
which corresponds to Jinchanzi's reincarnation of Venerable Sanzang's 4 disciples:
Wukong (aware of VOID),
Wuneng (aware of ABLE, aka "Bajie"),
Wujing (aware of PURE),
White Dragon Horse (Little White-Loong)
I think Black Myh Wukong can make an exhibition world wise just for the arts and animation.
Yellowbrow be like : "Two... Steps... Ahead..... I am always... Two steps ahead......" (Letting the peasants rip his body apart just for the "social experiment") 💀☠️
😂Yes but yellowbrow was beyond evil
He committed so many crimes that this was nothing
If you read character descriptions
Yellowbrow killed thousands of people
Manipulated guais
Did his best to cheat others
Enslaved dragons
And also killed many of wukong friends
I've watched this every day since I've beat chapter 3. What a beautiful animation.
bro this is giving princess mononoke vibes!
I guess 5k years of learning teach you something
they teach me nothing ，never people can learn anything from 5k years history
@@vizcowei aww you just mad at China, what else are you gonna do?
@@longminh2759 lol，do you know this is something chinese often say
@@vizcowei and the thing you said often comes from the illiterate
Thomas Hobbes and Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Never try to test human nature at extreme. Never.
人間ってやっぱ欲望の奴隷なんだな、、、、
你没看懂😂
Damn bro this game Will be GOTY
Hopefully
One of the best and most majestic songs in this game paired with one of the most poetic and purposefully unsettling scenes.
And the fact that all this happened because of a debate between two monks about human nature.….and one simply wanted to prove the other wrong.
Me and my brother had a little philosophical discussion after watching this scene. I feel like i learned something new :)
Look at 2:14, yellow brow "pull" the person to do it. That's the reason Sanzhang said he created the result first then only conclude the "reason".
i got goosebump when that song comes
Yellowbrow is a politician if I ever saw one.
He couldn't have "lost" in the first place:
He was salvagedashore, immediately to show people that there are jewels in his flesh and blood, officers and soldiers did not kill him, he did not feel good.
He did favor to the poor and weak people, and the poor and weak people did not ask for more, but appreciated the gratitude to offer him, he did not think it was kind.
Later, people set up a system around him, and even began to share wealth with more poor and weak people, which he did not think was kind.
Finally, there came a greedy man, he even couldn't wait, pulled the man, and finally yielded bad results, he was finally satisfied, human nature was finally evil, and he finally won.
The turtle is yellow brow, of a different incarnation, he and Jinchanzi (Sanzang/ Wukong’s master) had the a same mentor and in the same branch, Yellowbrow debate against Jinchanzi, that the nature of Human is Evil, instead of Good, to prove his point he bet on his entire cycle to win against Jinchanzi, he came down to human world as a leatherneck turtle that bleed treasure, shed medicines, and spill mucus that turn people young and beautiful, eventually greed took over the village, they killed what they worship, and soon the village is abandoned because the social structure is destroyed along with the turtle god (in the cutscene, Yellowbrow summons tornadoes that bring forth fishes, but also destroyed fishing boats, he give people fish instead teaching people to fish). Jinchanzi came across Yellowbrow telling him he turned the cause and effect around but he made the point by his intention of proving a point.
I had a feeling that he was Sanzan or was at least connected to him. I kind of imagined Sanzan sounding something like that.
(Despite not having gotten to him in the book yet, I'm still reading the beginning 😅)
@WanderingNerd21 Sanzhang is the human form/incarnation of jinchanzi without any power and memory, though, that's why they signed wukong to protect him.
This didn't just proved the greed of Human Nature, but also Yellow Brow's greed for winning
It's called Ego, exactly why he is proclaimed himself a Buddha while all his action isn't
Then why didn't the people overcome the will to greed. Then why did that citizen mutilated the beast willingly. It's always magic or any other superstious nonsense that can compel a person to do these things. It's craving that humans have. To aquire more and more of everything even at the cost of killing the turtle.
That is yellow brows point. To test them yo see if they can overcome it and the people have failed. It's not just a means to an end, it's a fact. That is is something that sun Wukongs masterfully never understand. Just like Jesus, grandi, Buddha, even fictional character of yoda will never learn. They will suffer self-destructive consequences
@@krisonveloc25Buddha, Jesus, muhamad, foucoult, Derrida. Jordan peterson, Ben shapiro, Donald trump. Etc etc etc. They all proclaim to be God's or meaningful. But it's fueled by stupidity. Which leads to self-destructive results
“If not for winning, why debate over means and ends?”…
当你想要实验玻璃是否会破碎时，那这块玻璃一定会碎；
当你偏见的看待一个事物时，你所有的结论都是偏见的；
“祸乱人心，倒果为因”
想到了堂吉诃德里非要测试老婆忠心，自戴绿帽的那个人。
Can I just say that the animation is amazing, for it to be in a game they really outdid themselves and I'm happy for the game getting so much love ❤🇨🇳👍🏻😎😘
This game is amazing
This animation is fking sick!
如果你翻看人类的历史，你就会觉得动画里的描写还是太美好了。至少他们还没有屠杀整个城市或者撒下腐蚀性的化学药剂。
@@一明明一Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed by the God were even sicker
There's also a very subtle detail, the turtle brought fortune and wellness to the village, but in the last scene, they still appear to poor, because the authorities took over, and they only give the villagers what they worked for...kinda ironic isn't it? Humanity's desire to control things and unwilling to share, even if the resources are unlimited...
And just in one push it all collaps itself where even the monks and the authorities endulged themselve to on this frenzy.
well that isn't the effect of humans, there is a reason the world we live in was not made with such a situation, something that can give unlimited resources will in any situation either by worshipped and dependent on by those who have never had wealth, or milked for resources by those who are wealthy and want to advance in their life. They put these creatures in a unnatural situation and expected them to act naturally, it mirrors someone specifically pressuring and annoying one person, barraging them with insults, and then calling them violent and threatening to call the cops after they punch you in the face. But in this case it's more like a type of grooming. If you want to show how humanity or mortals are evil, then you have to show a situation created by themselves. Infact I take that as a reason why humanity will never meet their gods until death, for they know better.
i mean it seems like the next day though
Wrong interpretation. Yellowbrow made them to depend their economy on him. He destroyed their boats using tornadoes he created to give them fish. He gave them jewelry as reward instead of letting them trade with the outside. The authorities created order to dispense it fairly.
Humans are all good, it’s just that we are weak to temptation.
They weren't poor, just dressed in their casual clothes. In the previous scene at the temple they all have fancy clothes. The villagers had managed to create an organized and sustainable system that evenly distributed the pearls that Yellowbrow produced so he wouldn't have to cut himself too much and everyone got their needs covered. This had the potential to stay like that forever with everyone living happily which is why Yellowbrow had to shit all over it and force the outcome with magic.
Buddhism emphasizes this idea of "nothingness" and how only thru nothingness can one escape the cycle of life and death. That's the true meaning of this story.
Yellowbrow did an experiment try to prove humans greedy, yet by doing the experiment, Yellowbrow himself fell into the cycle of life and death, winning and losing. If yellowbrow had really achieved nothingness, he would not have conducted the experiment, and the villagers would not have destroyed themselves with greed, and lived peacefully through their lives.
So, the irony is the more yellowbrow tried to prove himself, the more unqualified he was at Buddhahood.
Oh he did alot more than that
If you read the character descriptions
Yellowbrow has killed thousands of people and guais for amusement or control .
He was as bad as u can imagine.
This has been the highlight of the game so far. I'm at the start of chapter 5 right now. I don't know how they're going to top this.
This would ruin the local economy.
Lmao
lol
Actually no, he gave them a ton of fish at a point where they had nothing, while yes prices of sea products would drop they would not have starved. Since he only gave them something as simple as pearls while the pearls are cheap in their local economy they can trade them far away from goods and products in places with out pearls. It would have taken centuries for their price to drop and even then they would be very valuable.
Yellowbrow give the villagers free pearls just by bleeding it, this is just like using a machine to print money. I am surprised this doesn't caused some pearl inflation.
@@HWDragonborn He's only one creature and pearls can be traded far and wide. It's like having an enormous gold mine, if you're the only one with such a mine you decide the price.
This video was literally just "we had a good thing going till you came along"
Humanity and Greed. I thought the evil one is the alien.... But it's actually human greed. Great cut scene.
No it's definitely the turtle. Read between the lines, specifically where it destroys there ships and makes them only rely on him.
He destroyed the ships so they would have to rely on him to survive and then they showed kindness and made rules, worshipping him as a god. In time he gave in to his own greed to win the bet and cast a spell on that man and pulled the man towards him. So in a way he won because humans turned evil but it was also done so by his chaos nature and so in a way he also lost. He was never satisfied when humans showed good deeds, he wanted them to be evil and this would satisfy his ego.
@@distantfire6733 us dollar system?
The evil one is the alien.
You interpreted it wrong. Your first thought was right. That turtle was the evil one. That's why the monk at the end said that what the turtle did is "absurd and pathetic".
Im so invested in this animation, whos know this is from a game!!
2:58 watch upside down you will see Yellowbrow smiling, for proving what he believes.
Don't try to prove something when you are already aiming for a result
If Jesus came back, he would be crucified again.
" There Is No Enemy Outside Our Soul.The Real Enemies Live Inside Us.ANGER,EGO,GREED and HATE " - BUDDHA ( ENLIGHTENED ONE ).☸️
That yellow eyebrow who established his own ancestral temple also benefited the people and scattered his precious pearls to them; But there were people who were not greedy enough and used sharp blades to cut open his belly and snatch the treasures from him; At first, the officers and soldiers protected him, but later like the mob, they snatched him up! It shows that human hearts cannot be bought off by charity. Buddha is emptiness, emptiness is Buddha, and the righteous path in the world is vicissitudes.
*NONE SENSE!* by Zhelai
2:32 Three realms
(The Desire, the Form, and the Formless Realm)
2:34 Four continents
(Uttarakuru, Jambudvipa, Godana, Purva-Videha)
2:37 Have no desire of it
2:43 so redemption is no more
2:48 Long night
2:51 Sunrise
2:54 Right, wrong, light, dark
3:00 are inverted!
3:03 All feeling-living
3:05 mortal beings
3:08 Love, hatred, greed, anger, live, death
3:13 INTERWOVEN!
...
(this part is in full song)
Causality-
Karma
Can't be ignored...
Human desire...
Is the way of
NATURAL ORDER!
It is similar to situation if drugs should be legalized. Can normal ppl resist it's temptation？China has a strict law against all drugs and of course against weeds as well, which is like out casting the turtles in the first place. Well some countries gradually invite the turtle in. Human nature is not to be tested and what we can do is to maintain the balance between self control and existing temptation. Intentional using temptation to ruin the order, to ruin others life for self interest, Huangmei is like a mythical version of drug dealer
From the graphics, music to the story behind this scene, it is both scary and epic.
Jinchanji (in Tripitaka's previous life, he was Wukong's master) and his Brother the Turtle in the video made a bet with each other: Is human greed limitless? And as we have seen, there is no limit at all. When people are given something, they just want more and more. The senior brother said:
"I won."
But Jinchanji only said:
"Isn't it sad that you only care about winning or losing like that?"
Is it because people are greedy, or is it because "gods" have given them too much to arouse that greed?
Is greed due to nature, or is it formed by external influences?
remind me of spirited away
they got similar artstyles
やっぱり人は美しさだけが取り柄なんだ…
There is also an interesting thing here. The order that men “fallen” are Shudras(poor villagers), Vaisyas(merchants), Kshatriyas(officers) and last Brahmins(monks).
Indian might know what I mean.
thank you - this is what i'm looking for
This is the Hinduism's idea, the source of the misfortunes of the Indian people, and it was against this idea that Buddhism was born.
That is why u need warrior monk
Monke, like
Some might argue that Yellowbrow provoked the villagers into killing him to prove that human nature is inherently evil, and to some extent, I agree. However, that doesn't absolve the villagers of guilt. When Yellowbrow revealed the treasure beneath his flesh, the villagers refrained from harming him and instead worshipped him. Was this out of fear of his power, greed for more blessings, or simply respect? Yet, once one man injured him, no one intervened to stop the violence; instead, they all joined the mob. This moment not only unleashed their greed but also made them realize that even a god can be vulnerable. In the end, neither the villagers nor Yellowbrow can be seen as truly innocent.
What yellowbrow did was like, you want to prove a plastic cup is better than a glass cup , so you drop them from a 30 floors building. Then you go like, see I told you so.
Problem is what if we change the experiment and go with fire burning?
What yellowbrow doing is brainwash, however correct he might seem to be
Absolutely fascinating
At 3:18 if you pause perfectly right where people are scewering parts of the corpse is I think a reference of devils man crybaby
Yes
Holy shit yeah lol, though its not just crybaby, but Devilman in general
Gosh there are so many places to pause at. you can also see these guys urinate on him while they’re ripping him up.
@@Feykroroah damn I didn't notice that before, really disgusting
@@Feykroroah damn I didn't notice that before, really disgusting
I find this short story fascinating firstly the people of this village are poor and starving and at first it looks like they may have put him on a pyre and were about too burn him either too cook him for food or because they may have though he was a evil creature bringing them misfortune but in that moment he lures them in with treasure, youth, food and other miracles but if you look closly these only mask his intentions. He crates a waterspout too give food but it also destroys some boats removing their independence and creating a reliance, he then heals a child but with no long term food the boy will wither again, all these temprary miracles show his power whilst also creating a reliance. as time goes on you see all those who serve at the temple in fine clothes all seem youthful and well fed whilst all others are still poor and starved the temple is taking tributes and keeping them for itself and in return they give out pearls which yellow brow provides and what can poor starving people do with pearls can't eat them and can't trade them atleast not near by, that village will be saturated with pearls and will have no value so the starving people starve whilst beliving they are saved and so Yellow Brow makes himself the beating heart of this village only too make them stab it too death and the village fades forever
It is never a good question to ask if human beings are inherently good or evil. Humans are like a piece of white paper: you can paint beautiful or ugly things on the paper just like you can guide one towards good or evil
Not every paper is born white
@@entropino9928Thats the exception. Most people are blanks, molded typically by generational family trauma
@@farhanishraqifti1489 nah they are molded by generational genetics
A fable about greed, I guess.
Came for the game . Went with a lesson
It's a story about yellowbrow. He manipulated the poor people to prove his point that people are born greedy. It shows that he only cares about winning arguments, and will go to lengths to prove his points.
@@wedmundsfinally the poem in Wise-Voice’s allegory makes sense
That' just the surface though.
Second level is human nature being evil or not, or in buddhism, whether humanity can be educated and led to enlightenment. Third level is result vs reason. As the monk laughed on the turtles for the invalidity of his experiment by coming into the bet with a planned play on humanity. Fourth is his insistance on winning. Insistance being an evil in Bhuddism and obstacle to enlightenment itself, explaining why Yellow Brow has seemingly won the bet but at the same time already lost.
4:00 That voice... sounds like Gowron.
Greed provoked by god's ego.
Gg turtle.
it's Yellowbrow, the boss, he turnyhinself into a turtle and put greed to humans just to prove a point and when humans started to get civilized, he cheated with one evil
2:04 Ngl if that man did not cut it,then it will not be dead or destroyed all thank to this man
The monster made him do that, please look up the lore
Not to be rude or anything
This magical supernatural being, to me was nature, while people depicted human greed of taking more and more from nature not knowing when to stop themselves. Then I watched an American streamer play the game arrive to the same sequence and depict the supernatural being as the millionaire and the humans as the poor people; funny how you can arrive at different meaning based on your life experience through arts.
You are right my conclusion was even if god exist he would not show himself to the world because the people will tear him apart for thier own greed. I think they already do they only go to him because they think he can make everything right. People like god because they think they can benefit from him.
We call that Entrapment, Yellowbrow.
I love this comment section, people siding with the turtle and others with the monk, both have excellent arguments.
Turtlechads stay winning
The blend of Wukong’s story with Journey to the West is impressive. Immersive Translate helped me explore these cultural references effectively.
Yes.. channels like avenuex and empressxv who detailed every chapter really makes me even more astonished just how clever game science connecting all the characters and lore from JTTW
glorious
Jinchanzi, aka "Golden Cicada," and Huangmei, aka "Yellow Brow," hold very different beliefs on human nature. To simplify, Yellowbrow believes human nature is inherently evil, while Jinchanzi believes human nature can be good or evil, depending on how it is guided.
*SPOILER*
In the animation, Yellowbrow conducts a "social experiment" where he becomes this magical creature that tempts the villagers with wealth, health, and youth. Eventually, he tricks the villagers into killing him and creates chaos. Then, he concludes that human nature is evil because humans crave superficial things and are willing to hurt others to acquire more. But we can clearly see the flaw in this: it is not wrong to have desires; it's all about whether we have the proper guidance or not. If we pay close attention, we will see the village maintains an excellent order to distribute the "gifts" given by Yellowbrow until he lures one of the villagers into cutting him open. Yellowbrow is so obsessed with winning and losing that he guides the "experiment objects" to an outcome that favors him. This is why Jinchanzi says, "You chose a means to an end, not a proof," and "You sow chaos in hearts just for the sake of winning."
Pardon my ignorance here, but is this scene / scenario in the plot of Journey to the West? I found this scene to be very compelling and would love to explore it further.
You can read journey to the wedt novel english version
《Lotus Sutra Series》Chapter on the Study of Human Nature in Buddhist Studies
Why I'm enjoying while watching this video😮
It reminds me of that story of Buddha telling a young disciple that if he masters meditation, he will go to a heaven full of beautiful women.
Buddha knew that desires and greed exist in human heart. He never blamed humans for it. Instead, he tried his best to channel even greed towards something positive. He helped people find peace in spite of their greed.
This a**hole is the opposite of Buddha.
Yellowbrow is correct but the next test should be to test if the gods would fair any better under same circumstance as humans