I removed the oil pan from my 996 following your instructions. Found nothing in there but the same tab had come off the flaps in the oil chamber. Thanks for taking the time to make the video, it's very helpful.
Great video. Well done. Properly cleaned the pan and seal gasket. Video was direct and stayed on point. I am replacing my oil pain now just due to some scraping and a leak. Thanks for the torque values. Thats what I was looking for.
Hi, wanted to thank you for a great video! I removed the oil pan on my 2005 Porsche 911 Carrera Convertible (997) some three months ago. It is pretty much the same procedure. Was very happy that I did not find any nasty surprises in there (75,000 km on the motor), but equally happy that I was able to give everything a good clean before putting it back together. Fairly straightforward job to do; the hardest part is squeezing the sealing compound out of the tube. :)
I have pretty much changed, repaired or replaced everything on my 2000, 986. I love working on it. I even did the IMS, clutch and flywheel project. Pulled out a dual row bearing and it was fine. I replaced it with an LMS ceramic bearing. Rear main seal was leaking so replaced while there. I plan to pull my pan tomorrow. Thank you for great video.
@@HelpMeDIY Bro, I’ve completely overhauled this car. I even redid the seats with a kit from the internet and it made the car look great. I also put on a hard top, LED headlight and tail lights. This car is 100%. Sad thing is I fell in love with it and have spent double what it is worth. Lol
Great video as usual, I have a 2003 Boxster S this is one of the very first things I did when I purchased my car. I was lucky, I had no shavings or bits of plastic in my sump. Since then I change the oil every six months and have it sent off to Blackstone oil analysis well worth the peace of mind.Good luck with your car and your engine.
Hey Aaron, Hope you’re doing well. Those particles in your pan and in your oil filter are troubling. Not sure if you caught a sample of your old oil as you were draining it. If you did, I’d recommend sending a sample of your oil to Blackstone laboratories for analysis. They may be able to offer insight as to what may be going on.
FYI...That tube of Loctite fits perfectly in a standard caulking gun. Insert the plunger then place tube in the gun ..much easier to apply this way. Great video, I just finished redoing the cover on my 2000 986.
Nice work on your Boxster. My 2001 S, 88,000 miles had the same plastic shavings in the pan, they were camshafts rail tensioner/guides. I had them replaced along with IMS and clutch. It was costly, but it made the car run way better than before. I assume it helped with the timing, but it was definitely worth the investment and hopefully she'll run for another 88K.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I was wondering where all the small bits of plastic (smaller than 1/2 of a green pea) found in my 08 CS oil filter came from. It's good to know a potential source is the camshafts rail tensioner/guides. Do you know of potential problems from driving with broken camshafts rail tensioner/guides?
The plastic is the chain pads. The aluminum is worrisome. Could be piston skirting. ( borescoring) although that is more rare in Boxsters. Best to borescope from below with the sump plate removed. Cut the oil filter, stretch it out and use a magnet to look for ferrous metal.
Next time, leave two bolts in the sump pan (loosened of course) when you pry the sump plate so the sump plate doesn’t suddenly come off spilling all the oil and debris.(Hopefully no debris) The Loctite is a real workout to push out of the tube!
Very helpful video. I'm partway through this, waiting for 4 new sump bolts to replace ones that had galled, very stressed that they were going to snap off in the block. Don't think my pan had been off since leaving the factory. Lots of little plastic bits (cam chain pads I presume) like you had and some metallic paste collected on the pan. No metal shavings, but a chip of hard white stuff, no idea what that could be...
Oh, we are doing the same work on our cars not just in the same order. I dropped my sump a few weeks ago to install X51 oil baffle (before the AOS replacement) and found some small metal shavings in the oil filter, but not in the sump. I’m now in the process of replacing the IMS, don’t dare to risk driving the car before I check it out. Plastic and metal could be chain guides I guess. That’s not good. I hope you find the source before any serious damage occurs.
Aaron the oil pan looks like it’s never been off the car before the metal bit are probably aluminium slag when casting the plastic bits could have come from anywhere if it was the IMs the car would be toast now if it were chain guides you would here a rattle you can check the oil filter anytime with out draining the oil if it’s not smoking or making strange noises drive it like you stole it and enjoy that great car 🚗
Consider Drei Bond next time instead of the Loctite sealant. Did you consider running a borescope up into the pistions to take a look at the condition there? I am about to drop the pan on my 2000 996 C2 and take a look inside.
+AOWGroundBeef I just used what Porsche recommends for the sealant. I was happy with it. And no, I just got a borescope but didn’t have it at the time. Would be a great idea though!
That's unfortunate. I'm afraid that if I take my pan off I will likely see chunks in there as well. I remember changing the oil once and finding a little bit of metal in it as well.
Hey thanks for the Video, Like some follow up info on the metal fragments. Did you bring them for a porsche expert to look at and what was the result ? Also how many miles were on this engine? You seem very through and cannot imagine you just threw them away without further investigation.
+Blake Chesbro others have asked in the comments as well. Here was one of my replies: When changing the water pump one of the bolts sheared off and I had to have my mechanic drill it out for me. When I told him about the shavings, he told me that he accidentally drilled too far and went all the way through, and it was the shavings from the drill that were in there.
996 and 997.1 know for IMS bearing problem. That could account for metal in oil pan. Also a magnetic metal would possible be note scoring of cylinders.
I've just replaced the IMS bearing on my Boxster, also '98 2.5l, after finding lots of small metallic 'glitter ' on my filter. It was still the original dual row bearing. In one piece but balls v. worn and centre bolt wobbly. Bearing and IMS shaft were full of glitter. My rescue plan for the motor is to do some short interval oil and filter changes to try flush the metal out. Car already has 184000km on. I replaced the bearing with the Pelicans Parts single row kit. Reasons being its price, and it's sealed, so residual glitter can't get in and mess up the new bearing. ...just a caution to those with dual row M96 motors. Keep checking your oil filter.
That was quick,thanks for your reply.l thought it had to cure for at least a day. Will do it now .luckily didn't have any metal but it was pretty dirty.👍keep up the good work 🍻
It's always a bit of a worry when you find bits like that - if they're plastic and metal, do you think they could be the sign of the IMS bearing starting to fail?
I’d change the IMS bearing just in case. Or send the video to a Porsche specialist for his opinion ? The plastic bits are most likely pieces of the timing chains guides.
@@HelpMeDIY it could be pieces of metal from an old turbo fan that went bad...after you change turbo it is recommended to dismount oil pan to eventually remove bits of metal
+ProductSeer yes! When changing the water pump one of the bolts sheared off and I had to have my mechanic drill it out for me. When I told him about the shavings, he told me that he accidentally drilled too far and went all the way through, and it was the shavings from the drill that were in there.
@@HelpMeDIY Whew! So no IMS bearing issues? That's great! I am going to be pulling my oil sump this weekend (like everyone else and there mother that is commenting here it appears), but I do want to thank you for your insightful videos. I have the IMS bearing anxiety because while the car I picked up is in great shape, the previous owner did not know whether or not it's been replaced.
That's a lot of metal shavings I got to Lexus GX and inside the filter I see metal super small specs one in every single pleat is that normal I got 40,000 miles on a car you look pretty bad some of those pieces are big did you ever figure out what happened with the engine
+Ralph Kowalski yours sounds like an issue you should get checked out. As I said in another comment, my next oil change had no metal. It has come from drilling out a bolt that had sheered off.
@@HelpMeDIY I did get a checked out the dealer told me nothing is wrong I hear a weird sound from the engine at low idle I'm freaking out a little bit it's out of the warranty
@@HelpMeDIY i am curious. The plastic bits are probably the chain guide but ims should be all steel bits. Your gen didn't have the bore scoring issue either. Very strange
I bought a 986 just a few months ago, and you're one by one answering each question i have, so thanks.
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That’s great! And congrats on the 986!
Excellent video, Aaron! I'm replacing my pan in a few days...hopefully no bits! -Tom.
+@aboyandhisdog thanks and good luck! Let us know how it goes 🍻
I removed the oil pan from my 996 following your instructions. Found nothing in there but the same tab had come off the flaps in the oil chamber. Thanks for taking the time to make the video, it's very helpful.
+Nick A that’s great! Thanks for taking the time to comment and let me know :)
Great video. Well done. Properly cleaned the pan and seal gasket. Video was direct and stayed on point. I am replacing my oil pain now just due to some scraping and a leak. Thanks for the torque values. Thats what I was looking for.
+T smith you got it! Thanks for commenting.
Hi, wanted to thank you for a great video! I removed the oil pan on my 2005 Porsche 911 Carrera Convertible (997) some three months ago. It is pretty much the same procedure. Was very happy that I did not find any nasty surprises in there (75,000 km on the motor), but equally happy that I was able to give everything a good clean before putting it back together. Fairly straightforward job to do; the hardest part is squeezing the sealing compound out of the tube. :)
+Dr. Alexander Pufahl haha absolutely agree! That sealant did not want to come out. Glad it helped and I hope you’re a subscriber now 😉
Hello, do you remember the torq specs for the 997?
@@oros9112 Unfortunately, I don't.
Thank you as always! Hope your baby lives a long happy life! :)
+Mikhael Catapang you’re welcome! 🍻
I have pretty much changed, repaired or replaced everything on my 2000, 986. I love working on it. I even did the IMS, clutch and flywheel project. Pulled out a dual row bearing and it was fine. I replaced it with an LMS ceramic bearing. Rear main seal was leaking so replaced while there. I plan to pull my pan tomorrow. Thank you for great video.
+Joe-serious Howard wow you’re ahead of me 😁
@@HelpMeDIY Bro, I’ve completely overhauled this car. I even redid the seats with a kit from the internet and it made the car look great. I also put on a hard top, LED headlight and tail lights. This car is 100%. Sad thing is I fell in love with it and have spent double what it is worth. Lol
@@joe-serioushoward6201 I hear you there! 😆
Great video as usual, I have a 2003 Boxster S this is one of the very first things I did when I purchased my car. I was lucky, I had no shavings or bits of plastic in my sump. Since then I change the oil every six months and have it sent off to Blackstone oil analysis well worth the peace of mind.Good luck with your car and your engine.
+Tom krug thank you!
Hey Aaron,
Hope you’re doing well. Those particles in your pan and in your oil filter are troubling. Not sure if you caught a sample of your old oil as you were draining it. If you did, I’d recommend sending a sample of your oil to Blackstone laboratories for analysis. They may be able to offer insight as to what may be going on.
FYI...That tube of Loctite fits perfectly in a standard caulking gun. Insert the plunger then place tube in the gun ..much easier to apply this way. Great video, I just finished redoing the cover on my 2000 986.
+Oldschoolinfidel oohhh… good to know. Thanks! 🍻
My last porsche was a 1968 911 but i love watching your work. (I do have an F80 so I don‘t miss the 911 much)
+Bob Fognozzle so I assume you know I have an F82 :)
Nice work on your Boxster. My 2001 S, 88,000 miles had the same plastic shavings in the pan, they were camshafts rail tensioner/guides. I had them replaced along with IMS and clutch. It was costly, but it made the car run way better than before. I assume it helped with the timing, but it was definitely worth the investment and hopefully she'll run for another 88K.
+Gary Loudermilk nice!!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I was wondering where all the small bits of plastic (smaller than 1/2 of a green pea) found in my 08 CS oil filter came from. It's good to know a potential source is the camshafts rail tensioner/guides. Do you know of potential problems from driving with broken camshafts rail tensioner/guides?
@@Chitown388 they can let the chains skip teeth and eventually blow up your engine
The plastic is the chain pads.
The aluminum is worrisome.
Could be piston skirting. ( borescoring) although that is more rare in Boxsters.
Best to borescope from below with the sump plate removed.
Cut the oil filter, stretch it out and use a magnet to look for ferrous metal.
Thanks Bruce!
Boxster M96 2.7 or 3.2 engines do not bore score. Different pistons from the 996.
Next time, leave two bolts in the sump pan (loosened of course) when you pry the sump plate so the sump plate doesn’t suddenly come off spilling all the oil and debris.(Hopefully no debris)
The Loctite is a real workout to push out of the tube!
Great tip!
Very helpful video. I'm partway through this, waiting for 4 new sump bolts to replace ones that had galled, very stressed that they were going to snap off in the block.
Don't think my pan had been off since leaving the factory. Lots of little plastic bits (cam chain pads I presume) like you had and some metallic paste collected on the pan. No metal shavings, but a chip of hard white stuff, no idea what that could be...
+Christoph Soltau thanks! Glad it has been helpful.
Oh, we are doing the same work on our cars not just in the same order. I dropped my sump a few weeks ago to install X51 oil baffle (before the AOS replacement) and found some small metal shavings in the oil filter, but not in the sump. I’m now in the process of replacing the IMS, don’t dare to risk driving the car before I check it out.
Plastic and metal could be chain guides I guess. That’s not good. I hope you find the source before any serious damage occurs.
Yes that’s my current suspicion
Awesome video. Could be that those plastic pieces from the water pump somehow?
+@MattDavoudi thanks! Chain rails
Aaron the oil pan looks like it’s never been off the car before the metal bit are probably aluminium slag when casting the plastic bits could have come from anywhere if it was the IMs the car would be toast now if it were chain guides you would here a rattle you can check the oil filter anytime with out draining the oil if it’s not smoking or making strange noises drive it like you stole it and enjoy that great car 🚗
Hope that’s all true! That’s the plan... if it blows up then I guess I’ll just have to upgrade the engine 🤷♂️😎
Consider Drei Bond next time instead of the Loctite sealant. Did you consider running a borescope up into the pistions to take a look at the condition there? I am about to drop the pan on my 2000 996 C2 and take a look inside.
+AOWGroundBeef I just used what Porsche recommends for the sealant. I was happy with it. And no, I just got a borescope but didn’t have it at the time. Would be a great idea though!
Nice video. Going to drop my pan this weekend (02 996 Cab w/ 27k miles). My shop dog is an Aussie named Ellie.
+James Stephens thanks! My best to Ellie! Aussies are the best 🐶
The plastic bits could be timing chain guides wearing out?
+@miketaylor4616 exactly what it is!
Those bits are defiantly variocam timing chain pads.
amazing video keep up amazing content
Thanks! 🍻
That's unfortunate. I'm afraid that if I take my pan off I will likely see chunks in there as well. I remember changing the oil once and finding a little bit of metal in it as well.
Hey thanks for the Video, Like some follow up info on the metal fragments. Did you bring them for a porsche expert to look at and what was the result ? Also how many miles were on this engine? You seem very through and cannot imagine you just threw them away without further investigation.
+Blake Chesbro others have asked in the comments as well. Here was one of my replies:
When changing the water pump one of the bolts sheared off and I had to have my mechanic drill it out for me. When I told him about the shavings, he told me that he accidentally drilled too far and went all the way through, and it was the shavings from the drill that were in there.
I wouldn't use a wire brush. use a scotch bright pad. safer. In case any debris gets left behind from that brush.
Another great video
+Raymond Mumford 🍻
What did you end up doing with your engine? Did you replace chain tensioner guides or did your engine blow?
+Andrew Kolansky neither. Keep watching the channel 😉. Replaces the chained tensioners, will be replacing the guides in the near future
996 and 997.1 know for IMS bearing problem. That could account for metal in oil pan. Also a magnetic metal would possible be note scoring of cylinders.
+Joe Venturoso not metallic = not IMS. Zero metal in my next oil change. Issue was drilling out the stripped water pump bolt too deeply.
@@HelpMeDIY
Great news no IMS problem
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I've just replaced the IMS bearing on my Boxster, also '98 2.5l, after finding lots of small metallic 'glitter ' on my filter. It was still the original dual row bearing. In one piece but balls v. worn and centre bolt wobbly. Bearing and IMS shaft were full of glitter. My rescue plan for the motor is to do some short interval oil and filter changes to try flush the metal out. Car already has 184000km on.
I replaced the bearing with the Pelicans Parts single row kit. Reasons being its price, and it's sealed, so residual glitter can't get in and mess up the new bearing.
...just a caution to those with dual row M96 motors. Keep checking your oil filter.
@@christophsoltau4662 FYI the dual row bearings are much more robust that the single row and less likely to fail.
did you end up opening up the engine? chain guides def were shot.
+Living the Spu Life chain guide replacement is my next to-do!
@@HelpMeDIY if you decide to DIY , good luck. Big job!
Informative video thank you.
+Tony E you’re welcome!
Great video, just had to do my sump as previous owner crossed drain plug thread. Can I ask,how long did you leave it before filling with new oil?
+Graham Pearson not long. Maybe a couple hours?
That was quick,thanks for your reply.l thought it had to cure for at least a day. Will do it now .luckily didn't have any metal but it was pretty dirty.👍keep up the good work 🍻
@@grahampearson594 I mean I'm not saying that's how long you SHOULD wait... just how long I waited :P
Hi can you tell me the type of bolts used to secure the oil pan I have one that someone sheared off thank you.
+Stefan Efstathiou I don’t remember, but I have another video on how to find Porsche parts, so check it out and they should be listed.
It's always a bit of a worry when you find bits like that - if they're plastic and metal, do you think they could be the sign of the IMS bearing starting to fail?
Possibly, not sure. Engine sounds normal still...
I’d change the IMS bearing just in case. Or send the video to a Porsche specialist for his opinion ? The plastic bits are most likely pieces of the timing chains guides.
IMS debris would be ferrous.
@@texsquirrel213 That's reassuring and good to know. Any idea what it might be?
Bruce Pullig well that’s good to know 😀
I wish they made a oil pan gasket. I hate making a bead. I suck at it. Lol
+@miketaylor4616 haha right?!
I think I know what it is but I don't want to say it out loud. The amber stuff is likely chain guide. I think.
+Brian Miller metal was from drilling out a bolt for the water pump and yes the plastic bits are chain guides.
Did you ever find out what the plastic bits were in the filter? I just changed my oil and had the same stuff.
+John Sampson thinking its probably bits of the chain tensioner but can’t confirm that.
Did anything ever happen to your engine? Or was everything fine?
John Sampson still running like a champ so far!
@@HelpMeDIY it could be pieces of metal from an old turbo fan that went bad...after you change turbo it is recommended to dismount oil pan to eventually remove bits of metal
@@lion-of-lucia1158 this car doesn’t have a turbo. The metal bits were accounted for.
Did you ever find out what the Aluminium shavings were?
+ProductSeer yes! When changing the water pump one of the bolts sheared off and I had to have my mechanic drill it out for me. When I told him about the shavings, he told me that he accidentally drilled too far and went all the way through, and it was the shavings from the drill that were in there.
@@HelpMeDIY Whew! So no IMS bearing issues? That's great! I am going to be pulling my oil sump this weekend (like everyone else and there mother that is commenting here it appears), but I do want to thank you for your insightful videos. I have the IMS bearing anxiety because while the car I picked up is in great shape, the previous owner did not know whether or not it's been replaced.
@@shockoo no IMS issues :) You’re welcome and thanks for watching!
How many miles doesbyour car have?
67,700
That's a lot of metal shavings I got to Lexus GX and inside the filter I see metal super small specs one in every single pleat is that normal I got 40,000 miles on a car you look pretty bad some of those pieces are big did you ever figure out what happened with the engine
+Ralph Kowalski yours sounds like an issue you should get checked out. As I said in another comment, my next oil change had no metal. It has come from drilling out a bolt that had sheered off.
@@HelpMeDIY I did get a checked out the dealer told me nothing is wrong I hear a weird sound from the engine at low idle I'm freaking out a little bit it's out of the warranty
Uh oh... Looks like the next project is the ims 😒
Don’t think it’s the IMS but not certain
@@HelpMeDIY i am curious. The plastic bits are probably the chain guide but ims should be all steel bits. Your gen didn't have the bore scoring issue either. Very strange
lawrence mcatee agreed on all fronts!