I’m at ATP Jax right now, about to finish up my commercial (a little more than halfway through) and for people wondering about ATP, I’d say the structure and resources are amazing, but sometimes your best resource is other students. Depends on the instructor, as some are more helpful than others (don’t be afraid to ask for a different instructor!), but I’ve found that the bottom line is you get out what you put in. Expect delays, study hard and your success is up to you.
Thanks so much for the info! Is it true that they have connections to the major airlines and help you make it to the major airlines with the cadet program?
Rad Brad FPV they have several cadet programs for regional airlines, which is the stepping stone to the majors. This is where the tuition reimbursement comes into play. However, they did just announce a partnership with Frontier (a lower-tier major) where you skip the regional and fly the Airbus 320 with Frontier. There are a few stipulations, though, like no tuition reimbursement while you’re instructing, and you have to pay for your type rating, which basically equates to borrowing more money. Of course, the pay is much better than the regionals, but there are pros and cons to either route and I’m trying to do more research on it to decide what I want to do
@@bobsaget6252 I know you posted these comments a long time ago but i was wondering how you are doing now. I’m a senior In high school and I’m trying to decide between ATP or a college program.
I am a current ATP student and they are horribly managed. There are pluses and negatives to the school at first. I don't know that I wouldn't recommend ATP but I would take a look at say American Fliers. ATP has nice new G1000 172s in a lot of locations (minus California for example) and that is nice. The flight instructors are generally unmotivated because they only get paid to fly, have students pass check rides and sim. Don't expect much in the way of debriefs or extra grounds. You will probably sit around for checkrides for a month or so if you're not in TX, AZ, CA, FL, etc. The school does know how to get you the flight times needed for ratings though so if you need structure then its not a horrible idea. TLDR: ATP isn't amazing. The instructors want out as bad as you do and it shows. They are not flexible and will threaten to kick you out and take your money if you don't do exactly what they want.
I’m currently at ATP and from all the other people I’ve talked to that come in with a Private Pilot credit and get to ATP they all tell me they wish they would have started at ATP just because they feel like they are already behind. I started ATP zero time and my instructor is a new CFI, I’m actually his first student but all 3 of my roommates are commercial rated and in their CFI course and are amazed at how much I already know. Credit going to my CFI for his awesome grounds! I just like the fact that it is so structured and you have an awesome intuitive schedule that lets you know what to study, what plane you’ll be flying, and just everything in general. It’s a BIG financial commitment but just like anything in life if it was easy everyone would do it.
@@danielllewellyn675 no I was back in 2010 and a lot of the program has changed since then. Was it worth it? Yes. The key is to go somewhere where you could be done as fast a possible, so you can flight instruct to build time to a better job and ATP allows you to do that.
I gotta say thank you for the info. Still debating which route im going to go, but I will be looking into mom and pop flight schools prior to signing my life away at ATP. Regardless, you answered some seriously important questions for me.
Hey Ryan. Just found you recently. Love your content. Long story short I graduated college in 2017 and after much research and consideration decided on a career change to aviation. Planning to start training with ATP in June up here in Seattle. As someone with zero flying experience or knowledge in the industry, this information has been very helpful. Looking forward to getting started!
Justin, I am also in Seattle and thinking about the ATP school. Did you get a class 1 medical before committing to the loan? Did you talk to the small groups about accelerated training before going with ATP? thanks, Chris
I work aerial survey and every pilot I work with that came from ATP has nothing good to say about it. Terribly managed, poor training. My best piece of advice would be to go to a private part 61 school and find an instructor that is there for good reasons, not a low time instructor that is there to only build hours.
Love the videos Ryan, I've been following your journey for a while. I would love to see more videos on this topic! I'm in the Atlanta area and have been considering ATP as well as other schools. Right now I'm trying to narrow down the best fit for me. Thanks for giving your input!
I did my training in a family owned small flight school. The cost from PPL to my CFIIMEI was only about 55 grand. Yes my planes aren't the best but all instructors here make sure you understand your plane well and emergency well. Only time it gets dangerous is when someone doesnt take it seriously and it shows since we have had only 2 incidents in the 15 years its opened. 1 was a prop strike on a solo student bouncing a landing and the other was a renter who never trained with us. Dont let mom and pop schools scare you
Former student here. I believe it's actually 25 hours now. I finished last year in the 50 hour program. I wouldn't do it again because zero to hero costs the same amount now as it did when I paid for the 50 hour program. Also, I don't love the new layout of the program with the Technically advanced aircraft. You do your commercial single then go to CFI school and finish your multi at the end of the program
The new program is a hit or miss. I’m from the old program (50hr) and I recently got my MEI and should have my cfi/cfii in a week. I would strongly suggest checking out the location you want to fly before signing up. And in this industry, good jobs usually come with with you know. And if you don’t know, be social!
I sure understand your comments and agree; Given anyone with your personality who wants to do it I would send the to ATP outright upfront; Myself I would have to go straight into Commercial Regional Cargo and am not going to make it now at 68 years old - had 2 CFI directed incidents which make me leery of sending anyone to such large schools as they have no way to perfect their CFI Hiring Pool at Part 141 anymore than at Part 61 Schools If one is set on ATPL and has the backing to do it without straining fiduciary then good but I see an adverse situation telling someone to go Part 141 when they may washout; I realize there are retake protocols but currently I discussed this with my FBO Operator and decided on pleasure flying only
I have watched you from the beginning....I felt sorry for you ...you were so Gung-ho you wouldn't listen to anyone tell you that ATP was a money scam..! But that's okay, you were excited and had it all paid or financed and you were driven to finish. Glad to see you found a good path....And thanks for coming back and telling everyone what really happened. Hope to see some good vids from you soon!!! Blue Skies Brother....!
I’ll put it this way, college route 59k ATP 80k , there are advantages and disadvantages to both. This will get lengthy so if you’re considering flight schools. Consider reading. ATP is 9 months of total hardwork to get you your commercial. It’s also the quickest way to get you into 80k in debt. ATP is not cheap nor effective vs college. College Gives you a degree in aviation. That is your profession, not that atp doesn’t make you a professional either. But when it comes down to it you’re better off with a degree than just going the paid route. Here’s why, there’s a pilot shortage in the US of EXPERIENCED pilots. Not just a pilot with his commercial because theirs enough of those. So here’s my take , college gives you a better job security from what I’ve seen over the few years. ATP does have many airline partnerships but so do universities. I’d rather go to a 4 year institution knowing i have a job over questioning if i have a job when i graduate atp. I’ve considered both heavily and I’ve decided to go to eastern Michigan University aviation school. Hope this Enlightens you on your choice. Either are good choices. But remember, education is key.
AJ M i chose eastern because of the location that I’m in. I live in southeast Michigan and the drive is about 40 minutes from my house and also because i have connections with the instructor there. The college i really wanted to attend was Arizona state. But due to outrageous out of state tuition i could not go.
There's a happy medium as with the everything else in life that aviation training must be in. ATP has changed from how it was in 2016, as illustrated in your video. The amount of actual instruction being offered by the company has changed. The company does have a lot of fine print that you should look over with some one that knows how to go over a contract, is defiantly recommended. Ryan great video man, and very well put, motivation is such a driving factor for the majority of the individuals looking into ATP and you did a great job explaining how there's a need to keep your motivation during the program.
I've already spent two and a half years getting my degrees and my A&P license, so I'm not looking to do another two and a half years to get my pilot certs lol Additionally, I love the fact that ATP works with Wells Fargo to get you a loan with a decent APR. Looking forward to starting!
Great video Ryan! I am about to start training to obtain PPL at my local airport and I am planning on joining ATP. However, I'm always interested in hearing different options. Please make the other video where you go more in depth on other ways to get all your ratings done! Good work Ryan, keep going!
Thank you. I’m a ZERO now and looking at ATP to begin my training. Wondering if I should get my private first. It’s a big commitment, one I want to do correctly.
What's your view on L3Harris Flight school in Florida? They say it's at your own pace, whatever that means? I just recently became aware of that school as L3Harris is a defense department contractor for communications and more...
Hey Ryan, quick question! you said you would go a different rout if you had to redo. I was just wondering what that would be? I'm trying to figure out what's the best way for myself to find s good flight school. Ive considered ATP but at the same time I don't know if it's a good fit. hope to hear back! thanks
I wish I could hear this message back in 2001. I do concede that a part 141 school were not as much as pilot mills they are today. ATP has evals: solo for pattern, solo XC which I’ve heard has the highest failure rates. One student said they only get 6 hours of preparation prior to the eval. Another said he went without flying for 30 days prior to the eval. All these in-discrepancies were due to plane availability and priority due to the high volume of students. I guess when the industry is needing pilots then the schools can go up on tuition and overfill the schools without rendering quality instruction. My personal recommendation is for students go to part 61 school to get PPL prior to enrolling in ATP. Once a student has the PPL there are no evals other than check-rides. BTW you rates for instruction to students are cheap. The part 61 school down the road from my house pays their contract instructors $51/hour which is much better rate than what ATP pays.
ATP is good if you play their game nowadays, it has become a very interesting place with the new changes and management. I have worked in the airlines and ATP is even worse of a monopoly than some of the airlines BS. If you are willing to cooperate and graduate it’d be the gig for you. The only selling point is the pipeline program and hate to say it.....one and only selling point it is
Could you expound a little bit on that? What do you mean when you say "if you are willing to cooperate and graduate"? I'm considering ATP here in Texas, so I'd like to know the truth of what I might be getting into. Thanks!
joe Perschke just stay on the program and do what the school tells you to. ATP doesn’t like students making waves or complaints. You are on tight watch with the new management. No other program gets you thru as fast they can, this is all what you are paying for unfortunately......
@@jamesbabbath5306 I'm kind of afraid to approach atp because I want to fly a Boeing 747 someday and I dont got any degree just a high school diploma lol. I need some help when it comes to steps
Thanks for the helpful info Ryan, I'm finishing high school earlier than expected because of forced (covid) online schooling. Luckily I was able to do 3 yrs of high school in one year but that leaves me with a problem. I'm 16 and want to start flight school but ATP only accepts students 18 yrs old. Would I be able to get my PPL elsewhere then join ATP or do you know of a better way to go from 0 to working at the regionals? Greetings from Bali!
Yeah I ended up spending 84000 on ATP plus another 5,000 for living expenses because my training got delayed. If you need to go fast they are a decent option but it isn't cheap. Also it's only 25 hour multi now
I’ve been thinking about ATP because of the tuition reimbursement and the speed of getting it done and most importantly the loan. I already have my private and all of the aeronautical experience for the instrument rating. I’m at 159 hours total time. It’s just the cost of the training there is expensive! I really don’t want to have a huge debt and especially with interest making it hard to pay it down. At the same time I really want to work as a pilot everyday. My big problem right now is funding.
With all the cadet programs, university partnerships, and ATP partnerships....would going out of pocket at a mom and pop place hurt your chances of finding a CFI/Reigonal job since you wouldn't have any connections?
Thanks so much for putting this video up! I’m very interested in becoming a pilot-and will be going up for a discovery flight this week to see if it’s something I will actually be pursuing. I feel like there are great resources to find out more about schooling, costs, and salary. However, I’m wondering where to look for information on “normal” schedules and hours as both an instructor to gain my 1500 hours as well as typical hours as a regional pilot. Any insight would be helpful. Thanks!
Thanks for the info! Im in Austin but open to relocating if need be to start this process. But any pointers, people,places in the Austin area to get started?
Thanks for the video, great information. So would a good option for someone who needs the structure be to go to a small local school for the private license and then finish at ATP?
How in the world do you get in a G6 in such a short time when I’m scraping to find jobs as a CFI ATP grad same as you. Granted I didn’t teach for them.
Hey Ryan, I am looking into flight schools in the Pheonix area and never thought of having a private flight instructor so thanks for bringing that to my attention. You said that you fly 6 weeks away then 6 weeks off, is this common? Are there many jobs that you are guaranteed to be going to your own bed each night even with weird hours? (even if this means moving to your base airport and starting your new life there.)
Researching is hard. There’s an atp about an hour from me which is all well and good but I’m wondering if they’ll honor the ratings I already have- finished college and a 141 school a long time ago with instrument commercial and multi. I want to get back to it but Was wondering if they would take into account the ratings I already have without charging me money I’ve already spent. Thanks for your honest feedback about the school.
Hi Ryan, Great info you put out there. I am a current Captain at Southwest Airlines and am getting my daughter ready for her airline choices. Can I get that All ATP chat group you started so that my daughter and I can get some info before making our decision. Thank you!
I have watched/read many reviews about ATP and they all basically came to the same conclusion. But even with everybody saying to go to a Part 61 school, my concern is how long will it take to go zero to hero? Also, financially, I’d be coming in with very little money. Is it better just to eat the ATP loan so I can fly ASAP and start paying it back? or work part-time and go to a Part 61? If I go part-time I’m worried it will take forever to get into an airline.
I have a few questions if you could answer them for me please. What does your debt situation look like? How did you pay for the flight school? Are you making enough money with your current job to live comfortably and pay off your debt?
Hey Ryan, last time I saw you was ATP stans in phx! Glad to see you landed a sweet job. Are you planning to stay corporate or join the regionals any time soon?
I understand seniority is important for sure and it would be great to able to get all your training done in a year. For me this isnt really a possibility since I dont think ATP full financing is a smart financial move and I dont currently have that much saved. Ideally of course I would be able to get everything done in a year but is doing it over the course of a couple years while I work really that bad of an idea?
Thanks for this post, though storming on this site for the first time and I would love to know more about it. I'm desiring the course. Please is the average cost it will cost me and the years of completing the course for commercial. Is there also job promising with ATP graduan?
Hey Ryan, thank you for the video! My wife and I are currently looking into the Dallas area for her to attend nursing school. I have decided to follow a lifelong dream to become a pilot. I have recently been researching ATP and really like the ability to be connected to the regional airlines and work into a job while also having a guaranteed flight instructor job. That being said, I am 25 and have my finances pretty settled. I plan to pay for my education with cash. So I could potentially buy a plane as you suggest. What are job prospects like after finishing up commercial ratings with a private instructor? Is it relatively easy to find work as a flight instructor? Also I am pretty personable and networking is not something I struggle with so if I was put in the right circles I would have no issue gaining others trust and friendship. Hopefully you can help me out. Thanks! Patrick
Hey Patrick! I am 23 years old and after working in business for the last year I am contemplating the same exact thing. For me, the biggest draw to ATP is the hiring partnerships and programs they have upon graduation. I am worried that I won’t have the same opportunities if I go the mom and pop route. Another hesitancy I have going into ATP is if there is a guaranteed flight instructor job for me after graduation and will the wages for that be enough to get by? What did you decide to do? I would love to hear your insight!
Do you think its a good idea to just get a license and not a degree just in case everything doesn't work out? Like is getting a bachelor worth it before CPL?
Hey Ryan, thanks for the helpful video. I just finished my PPL, do you instruct for IR training? I’m currently looking where I should continue my training in Phoenix area. Thanks!
@@PropGear for example if I get my private and my 1500 hours at atp can I still go for the major airlines with out a degree. I'm trying to make a good option but I don't know what situation should I go for.
I highly recommend getting a 4-year aviation degree. I always ask my FOs where they went to college. I would guess at least 70% of the civilian-track pilots have stated they went to an aviation university. However, I would qualify by saying “if you can afford it.” If you are taking out $82,000 in loans for ATP Flight School or $120,000 in loans to go to Embry-Riddle, you can’t afford it! Those loans add a LOT of risk. If all you can afford is an in-state college with an English degree and a part 61 mom and pop, then do that. Trust me, don’t take on the large debt.
wizkid8686 there is a school in California with the exact same program and a little cheaper. I’m just in high school at the moment and have been just researching so I have no experience but you can look them up if you want. They are called sling Pilot Academy
I wanted to get a 4 year degree in accounting but my goal is to be a pilot... I’m not sure if balancing school and flight training at 18 will be to much stress but the advantage being that I have an early start and can rack up more hours as a cfi until I’m 21 for a r-atp or wait till I finish school at 21 to start training but being behind most pilots that started at 18.... when would you recommend that I join the program? Thanks for your opinion.
The ATP program is a fast paced program that will need your attention many many hours out of the week. You will not be able to get through the program on time if you have a full time job or you are a full time college student.
I applied to ATP... started it horrible experience..those instructors were horrible, rude and insulting...I quit before I lost my money and not to give them the joy of failing me
Great video man! I went through a larger flight school instrument-CFII and have a lot of the same thoughts. Quick side question, how would you recommend someone go about getting into corporate aviation? Currently a 1300TT CFI with about 20 MEL. How did you get into it?
Hi Ryan, I wanna talk to you private if you have time just wanna ask some questions about aviation field because my situation is a little bit different and I am so confused however I am so interested in the field. I really need your help
Hi I am doing my masters degree in IT from Australia and I want to become a pilot what should I do to become that thanks I hope you’ll read this comment and reply to it thanks.
Don’t be stressed I am researching for a month or two so you can ask me any question I can answer it like a personal man yeah don’t be stressed I can answer any questions or you can be relieved from any question do you have about aviation for real
@@DM-kn1rk you don't need a degree for cargo carriers it's just a preferable reference. Look at 74 gear or other pilots who started with just a high school diploma
@@DM-kn1rk same united airlines or virgin and virgin Atlantic both don't require a bachelors like I said it's just preferable and you will most likely get a position with a degree
Hey Ryan , thanks for the video. I would also like to hear your thoughts on more creative ways to achieve commercial status for the ‘more self motivated’ type.
Someone should definitely correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that airlines don't really look at where you get your training or hours, just as long as you have them.
In my opinion, which doesn't mean much, ATP is WAY over priced (2020 costs is now pushing $100,000)! Not saying they are a bad school in any way, just very expensive. You can get all your ratings at many different FBO's or other schools for 30-40K. Im looking at spending a total of around 28k here in Kansas, Im sure location is key. Plus you do not have to have a well named school to get a good job. I know a few different individuals that got their ratings locally and are now flying corporate and larger freight companies. One is flying, or is now an operations manager at Airshares.
I’m at ATP Jax right now, about to finish up my commercial (a little more than halfway through) and for people wondering about ATP, I’d say the structure and resources are amazing, but sometimes your best resource is other students. Depends on the instructor, as some are more helpful than others (don’t be afraid to ask for a different instructor!), but I’ve found that the bottom line is you get out what you put in. Expect delays, study hard and your success is up to you.
Thanks so much for the info! Is it true that they have connections to the major airlines and help you make it to the major airlines with the cadet program?
Rad Brad FPV they have several cadet programs for regional airlines, which is the stepping stone to the majors. This is where the tuition reimbursement comes into play. However, they did just announce a partnership with Frontier (a lower-tier major) where you skip the regional and fly the Airbus 320 with Frontier. There are a few stipulations, though, like no tuition reimbursement while you’re instructing, and you have to pay for your type rating, which basically equates to borrowing more money. Of course, the pay is much better than the regionals, but there are pros and cons to either route and I’m trying to do more research on it to decide what I want to do
@@bobsaget6252 I know you posted these comments a long time ago but i was wondering how you are doing now. I’m a senior In high school and I’m trying to decide between ATP or a college program.
@@bobyboberson5808 Hey what did you decide to do and how do you suggest studying?
I am a current ATP student and they are horribly managed. There are pluses and negatives to the school at first. I don't know that I wouldn't recommend ATP but I would take a look at say American Fliers. ATP has nice new G1000 172s in a lot of locations (minus California for example) and that is nice. The flight instructors are generally unmotivated because they only get paid to fly, have students pass check rides and sim. Don't expect much in the way of debriefs or extra grounds. You will probably sit around for checkrides for a month or so if you're not in TX, AZ, CA, FL, etc. The school does know how to get you the flight times needed for ratings though so if you need structure then its not a horrible idea.
TLDR: ATP isn't amazing. The instructors want out as bad as you do and it shows. They are not flexible and will threaten to kick you out and take your money if you don't do exactly what they want.
American flyers isn’t any better I’d stay far away from
That organization
Damn thanks for the honest review.
Thank you bro
I’ve gotten close to a thousand ads of this ATP School for some reason
Thanks for the review
@@pilot4910 quick questions does atp pay for your school like a loan because I dont got the necessary income to pay it off.
Nick Martinez **i dont have the necessary income to pay (learn correct grammar)
I’m currently at ATP and from all the other people I’ve talked to that come in with a Private Pilot credit and get to ATP they all tell me they wish they would have started at ATP just because they feel like they are already behind. I started ATP zero time and my instructor is a new CFI, I’m actually his first student but all 3 of my roommates are commercial rated and in their CFI course and are amazed at how much I already know. Credit going to my CFI for his awesome grounds! I just like the fact that it is so structured and you have an awesome intuitive schedule that lets you know what to study, what plane you’ll be flying, and just everything in general. It’s a BIG financial commitment but just like anything in life if it was easy everyone would do it.
Pro tip : watch series on kaldrostream. Been using them for watching a lot of movies lately.
@Dustin Pierce yea, I have been watching on kaldroStream for since december myself =)
hi! which location are you at? I want to attend ATP, I’ve been going through Liberty university for my flight training and I do not like it.
ATP is cool, cause the student can apply for loan and get it done faster, especially if the pocket is empty (((
Yevhenii Melnyk this is why I was looking into ATP they offer loans and the program is quick. I’d be starting from scratch
Be careful as those loans have super high interest rates. Mine was 10%
@@ravicherian2042 Are you in ATP? Was getting a loan for it worth it?
@@danielllewellyn675 no I was back in 2010 and a lot of the program has changed since then. Was it worth it? Yes. The key is to go somewhere where you could be done as fast a possible, so you can flight instruct to build time to a better job and ATP allows you to do that.
I gotta say thank you for the info. Still debating which route im going to go, but I will be looking into mom and pop flight schools prior to signing my life away at ATP. Regardless, you answered some seriously important questions for me.
Hey Ryan. Just found you recently. Love your content. Long story short I graduated college in 2017 and after much research and consideration decided on a career change to aviation. Planning to start training with ATP in June up here in Seattle. As someone with zero flying experience or knowledge in the industry, this information has been very helpful. Looking forward to getting started!
Justin Eco thanks, I really appreciate it. Good luck in all your training!
Justin, I am also in Seattle and thinking about the ATP school. Did you get a class 1 medical before committing to the loan? Did you talk to the small groups about accelerated training before going with ATP? thanks, Chris
Buddhist Liberal Guy Of course I got medical. You can’t start without it. And which small groups are you referring to?
I work aerial survey and every pilot I work with that came from ATP has nothing good to say about it. Terribly managed, poor training. My best piece of advice would be to go to a private part 61 school and find an instructor that is there for good reasons, not a low time instructor that is there to only build hours.
Aviation is so hot right now that almost every single CFI out there is a new low time builder.
Kindly advice me on atleast which schools do you think can offer good training program.
Love the videos Ryan, I've been following your journey for a while. I would love to see more videos on this topic! I'm in the Atlanta area and have been considering ATP as well as other schools. Right now I'm trying to narrow down the best fit for me. Thanks for giving your input!
I did my training in a family owned small flight school. The cost from PPL to my CFIIMEI was only about 55 grand. Yes my planes aren't the best but all instructors here make sure you understand your plane well and emergency well. Only time it gets dangerous is when someone doesnt take it seriously and it shows since we have had only 2 incidents in the 15 years its opened. 1 was a prop strike on a solo student bouncing a landing and the other was a renter who never trained with us. Dont let mom and pop schools scare you
Can you send me the link
Former student here. I believe it's actually 25 hours now. I finished last year in the 50 hour program. I wouldn't do it again because zero to hero costs the same amount now as it did when I paid for the 50 hour program. Also, I don't love the new layout of the program with the Technically advanced aircraft. You do your commercial single then go to CFI school and finish your multi at the end of the program
Sky-Pirate thanks for the updated information. Ya... I don’t like that either
The new program is a hit or miss. I’m from the old program (50hr) and I recently got my MEI and should have my cfi/cfii in a week. I would strongly suggest checking out the location you want to fly before signing up. And in this industry, good jobs usually come with with you know. And if you don’t know, be social!
Trek Advisor what location are you at?
Find a good flying club. You can get your multi-engine, instrument, commercial ratings in most. It will cost a fraction of ATP.
Extremerecluse Fallows that is what I’m doing right now.
The reason is so expensive is time tbh. You will get rating fast. That’s what you end up paying for
The big downside is you can't get student loans through flying clubs. Not everyone has the ability to pay for their flight training in cash.
Tristan W that’s where I’m stuck, I don’t have the money to pay that initiation fee and then start paying instructors as well as aircraft rental :/
I sure understand your comments and agree; Given anyone with your personality who wants to do it I would send the to ATP outright upfront;
Myself I would have to go straight into Commercial Regional Cargo and am not going to make it now at 68 years old - had 2 CFI directed incidents which make me leery of sending anyone to such large schools as they have no way to perfect their CFI Hiring Pool at Part 141 anymore than at Part 61 Schools
If one is set on ATPL and has the backing to do it without straining fiduciary then good but I see an adverse situation telling someone to go Part 141 when they may washout; I realize there are retake protocols but currently I discussed this with my FBO Operator and decided on pleasure flying only
Biceps look nice...Don’t skip shoulder and leg days....or traps either
I have watched you from the beginning....I felt sorry for you ...you were so Gung-ho you wouldn't listen to anyone tell you that ATP was a money scam..! But that's okay, you were excited and had it all paid or financed and you were driven to finish. Glad to see you found a good path....And thanks for coming back and telling everyone what really happened. Hope to see some good vids from you soon!!! Blue Skies Brother....!
How is ATP a money scam honest question. They deliver what they promise don't they? All your Rating and a job as a CFI till you build your hours.
I’ll put it this way, college route 59k ATP 80k , there are advantages and disadvantages to both. This will get lengthy so if you’re considering flight schools. Consider reading. ATP is 9 months of total hardwork to get you your commercial. It’s also the quickest way to get you into 80k in debt. ATP is not cheap nor effective vs college. College
Gives you a degree in aviation. That is your profession, not that atp doesn’t make you a professional either. But when it comes down to it you’re better off with a degree than just going the paid route. Here’s why, there’s a pilot shortage in the US of EXPERIENCED pilots. Not just a pilot with his commercial because theirs enough of those. So here’s my take , college gives you a better job security from what I’ve seen over the few years. ATP does have many airline partnerships but so do universities. I’d rather go to a 4 year institution knowing i have a job over questioning if i have a job when i graduate atp. I’ve considered both heavily and I’ve decided to go to eastern Michigan University aviation school. Hope this Enlightens you on your choice. Either are good choices. But remember, education is key.
Looked into western Michigan aviation school, why did you choose Eastern? Been looking into a few just want someone else's thoughts.
AJ M i chose eastern because of the location that I’m in. I live in southeast Michigan and the drive is about 40 minutes from my house and also because i have connections with the instructor there. The college i really wanted to attend was Arizona state. But due to outrageous out of state tuition i could not go.
Josue Azcarate interesting , where do you go
To school at ?
WillyModzHD CAU in Bakersfield
Milky WyGld wow. Why 95k and only ppl. Where are you now
Blue Line Aviation is the way to go....
There's a happy medium as with the everything else in life that aviation training must be in. ATP has changed from how it was in 2016, as illustrated in your video. The amount of actual instruction being offered by the company has changed. The company does have a lot of fine print that you should look over with some one that knows how to go over a contract, is defiantly recommended. Ryan great video man, and very well put, motivation is such a driving factor for the majority of the individuals looking into ATP and you did a great job explaining how there's a need to keep your motivation during the program.
I've already spent two and a half years getting my degrees and my A&P license, so I'm not looking to do another two and a half years to get my pilot certs lol Additionally, I love the fact that ATP works with Wells Fargo to get you a loan with a decent APR. Looking forward to starting!
Great video Ryan! I am about to start training to obtain PPL at my local airport and I am planning on joining ATP. However, I'm always interested in hearing different options. Please make the other video where you go more in depth on other ways to get all your ratings done! Good work Ryan, keep going!
Chris Skubisz I will, thanks for your feedback. Best of luck with your training!
Hey man, thanks for posting all these videos. It's really helping me make decisions
Love the video. Please do a video on those other ways too. It will be really helpful 😊
I was looking into ATP as a choice of school. Thank you for this amazing information. Cheers.
Thank you. I’m a ZERO now and looking at ATP to begin my training. Wondering if I should get my private first. It’s a big commitment, one I want to do correctly.
... All students and pilots require a Private Pilots License to begin with ....
@@diegoschelling4715it’s literally on their website that you don’t need a ppl. it just costs a lot more lol
What's your view on L3Harris Flight school in Florida? They say it's at your own pace, whatever that means? I just recently became aware of that school as L3Harris is a defense department contractor for communications and more...
Hey Ryan, quick question! you said you would go a different rout if you had to redo. I was just wondering what that would be? I'm trying to figure out what's the best way for myself to find s good flight school. Ive considered ATP but at the same time I don't know if it's a good fit. hope to hear back! thanks
I wish I could hear this message back in 2001. I do concede that a part 141 school were not as much as pilot mills they are today.
ATP has evals: solo for pattern, solo XC which I’ve heard has the highest failure rates. One student said they only get 6 hours of preparation prior to the eval. Another said he went without flying for 30 days prior to the eval. All these in-discrepancies were due to plane availability and priority due to the high volume of students.
I guess when the industry is needing pilots then the schools can go up on tuition and overfill the schools without rendering quality instruction.
My personal recommendation is for students go to part 61 school to get PPL prior to enrolling in ATP. Once a student has the PPL there are no evals other than check-rides.
BTW you rates for instruction to students are cheap. The part 61 school down the road from my house pays their contract instructors $51/hour which is much better rate than what ATP pays.
I LIKE THE WAY YOU SAID ITS A BLESSING.
ATP is good if you play their game nowadays, it has become a very interesting place with the new changes and management. I have worked in the airlines and ATP is even worse of a monopoly than some of the airlines BS. If you are willing to cooperate and graduate it’d be the gig for you. The only selling point is the pipeline program and hate to say it.....one and only selling point it is
Could you expound a little bit on that? What do you mean when you say "if you are willing to cooperate and graduate"? I'm considering ATP here in Texas, so I'd like to know the truth of what I might be getting into. Thanks!
joe Perschke just stay on the program and do what the school tells you to. ATP doesn’t like students making waves or complaints. You are on tight watch with the new management. No other program gets you thru as fast they can, this is all what you are paying for unfortunately......
@@zhaogao9186 so basically just keep your head down and don't rock the boat. I can do that. Thanks for the info.
@@jamesbabbath5306 I'm kind of afraid to approach atp because I want to fly a Boeing 747 someday and I dont got any degree just a high school diploma lol. I need some help when it comes to steps
Great Video, thanks for the candid input.
Thanks for the helpful info Ryan, I'm finishing high school earlier than expected because of forced (covid) online schooling. Luckily I was able to do 3 yrs of high school in one year but that leaves me with a problem. I'm 16 and want to start flight school but ATP only accepts students 18 yrs old. Would I be able to get my PPL elsewhere then join ATP or do you know of a better way to go from 0 to working at the regionals? Greetings from Bali!
2010 ATP alum here and you hit it spot on! Did I like my ATP experience? Yes! Would I do it again? No. I did the 90 day program and that was brutal.
Ravi Cherian 90 days? What does that get you?
Yeah I ended up spending 84000 on ATP plus another 5,000 for living expenses because my training got delayed. If you need to go fast they are a decent option but it isn't cheap. Also it's only 25 hour multi now
I’ve been thinking about ATP because of the tuition reimbursement and the speed of getting it done and most importantly the loan. I already have my private and all of the aeronautical experience for the instrument rating. I’m at 159 hours total time. It’s just the cost of the training there is expensive! I really don’t want to have a huge debt and especially with interest making it hard to pay it down. At the same time I really want to work as a pilot everyday. My big problem right now is funding.
Carlos Aguilar are you in California
Enedino Manzanares yes I am. I live in Compton
Hey Ryan, I was wondering why you’re still working as a cfi since you graduated over 2 years ago from the program? Shouldn’t you be in the regionals?
He is working as a corporate pilot and instructing on his own time.
With all the cadet programs, university partnerships, and ATP partnerships....would going out of pocket at a mom and pop place hurt your chances of finding a CFI/Reigonal job since you wouldn't have any connections?
I have the same question???
Same.
Same. PLEASE PLEASE give us your answer to this question.
Thanks so much for putting this video up!
I’m very interested in becoming a pilot-and will be going up for a discovery flight this week to see if it’s something I will actually be pursuing. I feel like there are great resources to find out more about schooling, costs, and salary. However, I’m wondering where to look for information on “normal” schedules and hours as both an instructor to gain my 1500 hours as well as typical hours as a regional pilot. Any insight would be helpful. Thanks!
Have you started yet?
Thanks for the info! Im in Austin but open to relocating if need be to start this process. But any pointers, people,places in the Austin area to get started?
It is currently a 25 hour multi hour program and 10 hours of TAA.
How would you deal with the payments if you need a loan for hiring a freelancer? Wouldn't it be almost impossible to get a loan out?
Love your videos Ryan. Am looking into going to ATP
Thanks for the video, great information. So would a good option for someone who needs the structure be to go to a small local school for the private license and then finish at ATP?
How in the world do you get in a G6 in such a short time when I’m scraping to find jobs as a CFI ATP grad same as you. Granted I didn’t teach for them.
Probably has connections
Cheap vs. quality....Take the quality every-time.
Hey Ryan, I am looking into flight schools in the Pheonix area and never thought of having a private flight instructor so thanks for bringing that to my attention. You said that you fly 6 weeks away then 6 weeks off, is this common? Are there many jobs that you are guaranteed to be going to your own bed each night even with weird hours? (even if this means moving to your base airport and starting your new life there.)
man I am trying to reach you since u r in arizona , and u r an instructor and I want to start my journey to get my PPL
Researching is hard. There’s an atp about an hour from me which is all well and good but I’m wondering if they’ll honor the ratings I already have- finished college and a 141 school a long time ago with instrument commercial and multi. I want to get back to it but Was wondering if they would take into account the ratings I already have without charging me money I’ve already spent. Thanks for your honest feedback about the school.
Hi Ryan, Great info you put out there. I am a current Captain at Southwest Airlines and am getting my daughter ready for her airline choices. Can I get that All ATP chat group you started so that my daughter and I can get some info before making our decision. Thank you!
I have watched/read many reviews about ATP and they all basically came to the same conclusion. But even with everybody saying to go to a Part 61 school, my concern is how long will it take to go zero to hero? Also, financially, I’d be coming in with very little money. Is it better just to eat the ATP loan so I can fly ASAP and start paying it back? or work part-time and go to a Part 61? If I go part-time I’m worried it will take forever to get into an airline.
I have a few questions if you could answer them for me please. What does your debt situation look like? How did you pay for the flight school? Are you making enough money with your current job to live comfortably and pay off your debt?
Do you have to live on sight? I live like 2 minutes away from the school
Hey Ryan, last time I saw you was ATP stans in phx! Glad to see you landed a sweet job.
Are you planning to stay corporate or join the regionals any time soon?
I understand seniority is important for sure and it would be great to able to get all your training done in a year. For me this isnt really a possibility since I dont think ATP full financing is a smart financial move and I dont currently have that much saved. Ideally of course I would be able to get everything done in a year but is doing it over the course of a couple years while I work really that bad of an idea?
Thanks for this post, though storming on this site for the first time and I would love to know more about it. I'm desiring the course. Please is the average cost it will cost me and the years of completing the course for commercial. Is there also job promising with ATP graduan?
Where to find the group chat?
Its the math and physics dificult in ATP? and the english its hard to undestand for a non english person?
Hey Ryan, thank you for the video! My wife and I are currently looking into the Dallas area for her to attend nursing school. I have decided to follow a lifelong dream to become a pilot. I have recently been researching ATP and really like the ability to be connected to the regional airlines and work into a job while also having a guaranteed flight instructor job. That being said, I am 25 and have my finances pretty settled. I plan to pay for my education with cash. So I could potentially buy a plane as you suggest. What are job prospects like after finishing up commercial ratings with a private instructor? Is it relatively easy to find work as a flight instructor? Also I am pretty personable and networking is not something I struggle with so if I was put in the right circles I would have no issue gaining others trust and friendship. Hopefully you can help me out. Thanks!
Patrick
Hey Patrick! I am 23 years old and after working in business for the last year I am contemplating the same exact thing. For me, the biggest draw to ATP is the hiring partnerships and programs they have upon graduation. I am worried that I won’t have the same opportunities if I go the mom and pop route.
Another hesitancy I have going into ATP is if there is a guaranteed flight instructor job for me after graduation and will the wages for that be enough to get by?
What did you decide to do? I would love to hear your insight!
Thanks for the education tip alternatives.
Do you think its a good idea to just get a license and not a degree just in case everything doesn't work out? Like is getting a bachelor worth it before CPL?
Didn’t go to ATP, but everything else flight training related you said was spot on
Hey Ryan, thanks for the helpful video. I just finished my PPL, do you instruct for IR training? I’m currently looking where I should continue my training in Phoenix area. Thanks!
where is the ATP group?
Hey Ryan I’m looking at ATP I’m in illinois I don’t know much about flight schools I could use your help if your willing
What watch are you wearing?
Its $108,000 to start from nothing now. Not entirely sure if its still a great idea tbh
I’m 31, is it too late?
Hello Ryan.
Which airport do you instruct out of in Az?
Would you recommend getting an aviation or general/technical degree before beginning flight training, and if so does it give you an advantage?
No, and I don't think so. Just more loan debt and time... but would help long term if looking to fly for a major airline
@@PropGear for example if I get my private and my 1500 hours at atp can I still go for the major airlines with out a degree. I'm trying to make a good option but I don't know what situation should I go for.
I highly recommend getting a 4-year aviation degree. I always ask my FOs where they went to college. I would guess at least 70% of the civilian-track pilots have stated they went to an aviation university. However, I would qualify by saying “if you can afford it.” If you are taking out $82,000 in loans for ATP Flight School or $120,000 in loans to go to Embry-Riddle, you can’t afford it! Those loans add a LOT of risk. If all you can afford is an in-state college with an English degree and a part 61 mom and pop, then do that. Trust me, don’t take on the large debt.
Is there a school you would recommend other than atp for a zero flight time start?
wizkid8686 there is a school in California with the exact same program and a little cheaper. I’m just in high school at the moment and have been just researching so I have no experience but you can look them up if you want. They are called sling Pilot Academy
Where are the links?
Great Video, what’s the link to the ATP group?
Go to Facebook and search ATP flight school students and Alumni. Click join group and submit answers
Brandon Ryan should have put it in description, I’ll update, thanks
Would freelance be slower?
Great job with this video!
I wanted to get a 4 year degree in accounting but my goal is to be a pilot... I’m not sure if balancing school and flight training at 18 will be to much stress but the advantage being that I have an early start and can rack up more hours as a cfi until I’m 21 for a r-atp or wait till I finish school at 21 to start training but being behind most pilots that started at 18.... when would you recommend that I join the program? Thanks for your opinion.
The ATP program is a fast paced program that will need your attention many many hours out of the week. You will not be able to get through the program on time if you have a full time job or you are a full time college student.
Cheyenne Thompson I will keep this in mind thanks.
Kyle Oyague thanks I’m hoping I can balance both we will have to see...
Hi i have zero flight hours and would like to be a pilot, I live in Houston texas can you please tell me a good school to look at ? thank you
25 Hour multi now
I like the corporate pilots polo uniform...are you wearing dress pants with that?
If you want a fast pace environment... Go to atp. Otherwise go to a different school.
Anyone know about blue bird flight academy in canada. I and worried about work permit and school selection.
Hard no from me now.... cost goes up, time to finish goes up and quality/multi goes down. mom and pop all the way
I applied to ATP... started it horrible experience..those instructors were horrible, rude and insulting...I quit before I lost my money and not to give them the joy of failing me
@@flyer9544 which location?
Arlington..
israel velazquez Arlington TX?
@@davidoliveros7497 yes
Great video man! I went through a larger flight school instrument-CFII and have a lot of the same thoughts. Quick side question, how would you recommend someone go about getting into corporate aviation? Currently a 1300TT CFI with about 20 MEL. How did you get into it?
Hi Ryan,
I wanna talk to you private if you have time just wanna ask some questions about aviation field because my situation is a little bit different and I am so confused however I am so interested in the field. I really need your help
How about a 141 school with decades of experience, with instructors also with decades of experience??
Yeah, if you got the money. As far as I know, that's the most expensive route. Some could be up to $300k for the whole education.
Can anyone help me understand jet blue gateway programs.
How they differ from atp.
Hi I am doing my masters degree in IT from Australia and I want to become a pilot what should I do to become that thanks I hope you’ll read this comment and reply to it thanks.
I want to be a pilot and I am STRESSED
Don’t be stressed I am researching for a month or two so you can ask me any question I can answer it like a personal man yeah don’t be stressed I can answer any questions or you can be relieved from any question do you have about aviation for real
@@kishanpatel1212 is it superrr pricy ?
@@kishanpatel1212 will it cost me a lot of money to get my license and is there a way of getting a refund ?
I think you can save a ton of money by not going to the pilot mill, find an excellent instructor that loved what they do and that's golden.
Hey! What kind of college degree do i need to fly in an airline? Is an asociates enough? Or do i need a bachelors.
bachelors for the big carriers. I don't think you need one for a regional airline
Do you think it would be smart to get my flight training before doing my college degree? Or would you do it before?
@@DM-kn1rk you don't need a degree for cargo carriers it's just a preferable reference. Look at 74 gear or other pilots who started with just a high school diploma
@@DM-kn1rk same united airlines or virgin and virgin Atlantic both don't require a bachelors like I said it's just preferable and you will most likely get a position with a degree
Hi bro at whats age dis toi begin the program To be pilot
Keep it up... Love you. 👊🏼
Hello sir have I seen you at ERAU before?
Hello, im interested to study in ypur college so how can i get appllication form and other relevant informations
REUBEN CHARLES id recommend contacting ATP via their website
please make a video on cae
Hey Ryan , thanks for the video. I would also like to hear your thoughts on more creative ways to achieve commercial status for the ‘more self motivated’ type.
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update its 98k
Would a place like ATP look better on a resume, than say a freelancer for airlines or other corporate jobs
Someone should definitely correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that airlines don't really look at where you get your training or hours, just as long as you have them.
No, where you train is not a factor in consideration. Hours, experience, etc. is way more important. Save $
In my opinion, which doesn't mean much, ATP is WAY over priced (2020 costs is now pushing $100,000)! Not saying they are a bad school in any way, just very expensive. You can get all your ratings at many different FBO's or other schools for 30-40K. Im looking at spending a total of around 28k here in Kansas, Im sure location is key. Plus you do not have to have a well named school to get a good job. I know a few different individuals that got their ratings locally and are now flying corporate and larger freight companies. One is flying, or is now an operations manager at Airshares.
Hey, can I send you a message about some details?
I have a question, did you play any sports in high school?
I KNEW IT
Do your PPL somewhere else for around 18K then join ATP if you wish.
Don’t ever do ATP. The instructors are new pilots. Barely more experienced than a 0 hour. It’s not safe or a good idea
Hello Ryan
I want you the suggest a good flight school plz I'm a green card holder
Epic Flight Acadamy..New Smryna beach Fl. Good Equiptment, Small, personable no BS. Also not congested . Great Airport.