Reminder that we don't have SteamOS because NVIDIA has been a real stickler regarding EGL for Wayland support while the rest of the Linux community moved onto the GBM backend.
@@tgrush1253 Reminder that their GBM support still isn't completely ready yet, as if it were, we would have functioning Gamescope/Waydroid on NVIDIA cards. If they had started a few years ago, then Wayland might have been the standard by now.
This is genuinely insane! SteamOS is something I'd seriously consider using for gaming on a desktop PC and if Valve ported it over properly with full support, I'd say it'd do well. Reviewers might even start using this instead of Windows for benchmarking as it might have FPS benefits on the desktop side compared to the deck (which was shown with the FPS difference between the windows drivers and the SteamOS OS) which is great for everyone.
Steam os might just be the Linux distro that changes pc gaming forever. At least I hope so.. to have a alternative option to Microsofts totalitarian approach to its os and its users where it wants to own and control everything..would be absolutely a God send. Oh I also like to start a petition to have Gabe N. cloned
@@sitrueis4007 valve doesn't care about gamers? Their launcher sucks, they neglect their game communities, they refuse to allow public access to the modding community which locks out competition from mods, they never have big sales. They care about as much for the community as Nintendo does. Aka not a lot. Microsoft cares for the community a ton, they own a huge array of game studios, games, they support consoles almost a decade old with NEW RELEASES AND UPDATES that can be played with current Gen consoles. You keep acting like the xbox is a normal pc that's been locked down when it's done to prevent piracy. Stop acting like linux is definitively better without providing real reasoning, not using opinions or what ifs.
@@raycert07 You can actually have conversations with people on steam forums. Yes they're lazy about their games nobody said they're perfect but their platform is great for gamers. They don't steal your data unlike Microsoft. I've never used Linux so I cannot decide if it's better or not lol. Consoles suck big time no matter which one. Steam gives us sales unlike that trash company called Nintendo, their store is full of bloat and everything is overpriced. It has no reviews or forum. So steam is better. Microsoft is another greedy company but they actually made something good. Your comment makes zero sence but ok.
@@sitrueis4007 Microsoft does not steal data. Consoles are not supposed to be pcs, they are supposed to be casual entertainment centers that just work. Steam has sales but they are so small. Nintendo rarely has sales online but in stores the sales can be huge, I got botw for 20$ at target. Steams sales are GARBAGE compared to epic. I got horizon zero dawn, a 60$ game for like 18.50 on epic. The issue with steam forums is that their mod marketplace is private and you can't download mods for other platforms like epic or gog or anything. It crates a monopoly where people don't want to use other platforms because they can't get the mods they want, and they also have to pay full price or near full price.
It should theoretically work on Intel GPUs too due to their open support of Wayland and its GBM backend. NVIDIA should publish their drivers as OSS just like AMD does with AMDVLK and leave out some proprietary bits if necessary. I think that AMD does the same thing with AMDVLK where they're using LLVM instead of their proprietary compiler
The Nvidia driver being closed source has nothing to do with performance. The closed source drivers perform much better than the open ones. Open source has nothing to do with anything. All it means is that someone could modify the source code to change functionality, which does not effect the end user that would be using the driver from Nvidia. Open source does not mean better performance, it does not mean more stability, it does not mean anything except the source code is public and people can change it to their likes if wanted
@@raycert07 Their closed source drivers run better _because_ the open source drivers have to reverse engineer everything. If nvidia was more open then things might work a bit better. While open source does not equal better performance, it does mean more eyes on the software itself which is always a good thing. If the drivers were open sourced perhaps we could have more features added that Nvidia doesn't want us to have. Right now SteamOS won't work right on an nvidia card because of the way Gamescope works. Nvidia cards just don't have the driver support to mesh with it despite the cards being more than capable. Also having the drivers built into the linux kernel is much, much more convenient. As of right now I just plug an AMD card in and make sure my software is up to date. That's it, it just works. If nvidia wants to keep things closed source then they need to step it up and give the linux community more love. The community is willing to do it themselves, but we can't do much with the closed source drivers.
@@CoilWhine what features do you want in Linux that Nvidia won't give you. Nvidia gives you headless gpu support on Linux for mining only gpus. It let's you use pass-through to game on them. Ray tracing is making its way to Linux, dlss I'm not sure about since it's so newly implemented. Steam os beta page on the valve website says it support Nvidia amd and Intel. So it does support Nvidia. Your video is outdated.
It works great with a 5800x + 6900xt. Desktop mode works great, Game mode resolution is out of touch. Elden Ring is working much better then on a Stock arch build.
Have you tried using modengine 2 with ER mods? I'm wanting to drop win11 and going with steamOS but was wondering how third party game apps run on it. I have a similar setup to your system 5900x + 6900xt
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Hey while the spinning logo is cool, it's really distracting especially since it's above your head, best to just keep it locked in. Maybe add your youtube somewhere just in case
Cause I dont want to get WIndows 11, like Ever. But I know at sometime in the future Windows 10 will get Boxed like 7 did... And I have no hopes from Microsoft to make a Windows that ditches 90% of everything that 11 has, I really hope the SteamOS gets good enough to compete against the Windows monopoly.
So now that this thing has been out for a few months, how would it compare to a 10-year old PC running an i5-3570K, GTX 660 ti, 8 GB RAM, and 2 TB platter HDD? Seems like people are saying the GPU is less powerful than a GTX 1050, and userbenchmark says the GTX 660 ti is slightly faster than the 1050. Am I really to believe that this thing is weaker than my 10 year old PC? I mean I know it's a handheld, but damn.....
Yes. It's slower. About as powerful as a 1030 iirc. Which is half as fast at a 1050. It does not matter how old your pc is if if it beats something currently in production. It's not possible to make a handheld that draws as much power and performs better than a older mid range pc. You would need at least 150 watts for the whole system. The steam deck uses I think 35 watts max, and usually uses 15 in games. The cpu in your system probably draws 120 watts, your gpu probably draws 120 watts, your already way above what the steam deck power draw is there. The goal is low power draw for decent performance for a low resolution.
I 1st thought to make my pc a console by installing steam os, than I came to know some games are there like pubg pc that are still not supported in steam os till now.🤕🤕
is valve thinks this will be enought to steal market share from windows they're very wrong. the big old unsupported NVIDIA in the room alone acounts for 50% of all steam users. It's a neat system and I fell in love with it on the deck though, I can't wait for further OS support, FROM VALVE.
Steam os supports Nvidia. Nvidia drivers are built Into the Linux kernel. Nvidia supports Linux, very well in fact. Even having the Nvidia control panel. The only thing Nvidia does not do is make their drivers open source. Software does not need to be open source just because your operating system is open source. It does not work like that. The open source Nvidia drivers the community made are absolutely garbage and can't do a thing. The normal Nvidia drivers are great and work very well. There is no reason Nvidia should make the source open because it wouldn't benefit the end users performance.
@@softwarelivre2389 that won't happen. And Nvidia isn't unsupported in linux. Linux performance is great. Wanna know what I think is happening with amd? Their windows drivers have sucked forever because the people working on them came over from Intels gpu division (no joke) and those bad drivers have been holding back the performance. When the drivers are open source on linux the community eventually makes the drivers good doing the job that the devs are supposed to, letting you fully utilize the gpu gaining performance Over windows. It's not that the linux drivers are good per se, it's that the windows ones are bad. They need someone to actually work on them, get them functional. Nvidia has their driver situation perfect. They don't need community to make them because they hire qualified people to do it.
i don't think if they wanted the steam os 3 to be supported to all computers that just out from their pay grade. that's why they would'nt release steam os 3 other than for the steamduck.
You'll likely want to reinstall everything at that point. This is more of a tech demo/proof of concept. It _could_ get updated to match the official ISO if/when we get it, but I wouldn't count on it.
But... Will it be faster than a Windows System in gaming... I think not really. Eventually for low end Systems, but its not worth to change a running Windows System like Mine. I used all Windows since 3.11. Never had Problems with gaming, ok with my 5700xt Yeah a lot but i Stick now with a 3070 and Windows 11. Its perfect. I tried a lot Linux distros. Never been happy with it. But i wish Valve take a fight, because Linux deserve attention in the gaming World.
It might not be faster or more useable than windows but man does it boot fast and for the first time im impressed with linux compatibility, like Bethesda games dont like to boot because the splash screen and whatnot, games like cyberpunk will take 3 different protons to see what works, this just worked for me so im pretty happy with it
@@CoilWhine i hope so. I love Linux, but there is no line. Every distro ist not equal and makes it not easy for oldschool Windows victims. But now i have hope... Valve go! Take the Chance.
Some games Linux can run faster than Windows since it is more optimised and less resource hungry, the main barrier is compatibility which causes a lot of games to perform better than Windows. I believe Elden Ring actually performed better on Linux, as shown by tests performed by Chris Titus Tech.
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Reminder that we don't have SteamOS because NVIDIA has been a real stickler regarding EGL for Wayland support while the rest of the Linux community moved onto the GBM backend.
Reminder that Nvidia has been supporting the GBM backend ever since the 470 driver.
@@tgrush1253 Reminder that their GBM support still isn't completely ready yet, as if it were, we would have functioning Gamescope/Waydroid on NVIDIA cards. If they had started a few years ago, then Wayland might have been the standard by now.
This is genuinely insane!
SteamOS is something I'd seriously consider using for gaming on a desktop PC and if Valve ported it over properly with full support, I'd say it'd do well. Reviewers might even start using this instead of Windows for benchmarking as it might have FPS benefits on the desktop side compared to the deck (which was shown with the FPS difference between the windows drivers and the SteamOS OS) which is great for everyone.
I'd put it on my Backup PC in a heartbeat. If it supported more hardware
That's so cool! I really hope that Valve is working on getting out a proper version soon
The moment we have an official Steam OS "Arch" ISO, I am ditching Ubuntu forever.
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Steam os might just be the Linux distro that changes pc gaming forever. At least I hope so.. to have a alternative option to Microsofts totalitarian approach to its os and its users where it wants to own and control everything..would be absolutely a God send.
Oh I also like to start a petition to have Gabe N. cloned
I love Valve, at least they care about gamers. I trust them more than Microsoft
Does Gaben has kid?
Can we choose them instead when the inevitable comes?
@@sitrueis4007 valve doesn't care about gamers? Their launcher sucks, they neglect their game communities, they refuse to allow public access to the modding community which locks out competition from mods, they never have big sales.
They care about as much for the community as Nintendo does. Aka not a lot.
Microsoft cares for the community a ton, they own a huge array of game studios, games, they support consoles almost a decade old with NEW RELEASES AND UPDATES that can be played with current Gen consoles.
You keep acting like the xbox is a normal pc that's been locked down when it's done to prevent piracy.
Stop acting like linux is definitively better without providing real reasoning, not using opinions or what ifs.
@@raycert07 You can actually have conversations with people on steam forums. Yes they're lazy about their games nobody said they're perfect but their platform is great for gamers. They don't steal your data unlike Microsoft. I've never used Linux so I cannot decide if it's better or not lol. Consoles suck big time no matter which one. Steam gives us sales unlike that trash company called Nintendo, their store is full of bloat and everything is overpriced. It has no reviews or forum. So steam is better. Microsoft is another greedy company but they actually made something good. Your comment makes zero sence but ok.
@@sitrueis4007 Microsoft does not steal data.
Consoles are not supposed to be pcs, they are supposed to be casual entertainment centers that just work.
Steam has sales but they are so small.
Nintendo rarely has sales online but in stores the sales can be huge, I got botw for 20$ at target.
Steams sales are GARBAGE compared to epic.
I got horizon zero dawn, a 60$ game for like 18.50 on epic.
The issue with steam forums is that their mod marketplace is private and you can't download mods for other platforms like epic or gog or anything.
It crates a monopoly where people don't want to use other platforms because they can't get the mods they want, and they also have to pay full price or near full price.
It should theoretically work on Intel GPUs too due to their open support of Wayland and its GBM backend. NVIDIA should publish their drivers as OSS just like AMD does with AMDVLK and leave out some proprietary bits if necessary. I think that AMD does the same thing with AMDVLK where they're using LLVM instead of their proprietary compiler
Yeah i just didn't wanna get anyones hopes up, we know steam os is optimized for amd
The Nvidia driver being closed source has nothing to do with performance.
The closed source drivers perform much better than the open ones.
Open source has nothing to do with anything.
All it means is that someone could modify the source code to change functionality, which does not effect the end user that would be using the driver from Nvidia.
Open source does not mean better performance, it does not mean more stability, it does not mean anything except the source code is public and people can change it to their likes if wanted
@@raycert07 Their closed source drivers run better _because_ the open source drivers have to reverse engineer everything. If nvidia was more open then things might work a bit better.
While open source does not equal better performance, it does mean more eyes on the software itself which is always a good thing.
If the drivers were open sourced perhaps we could have more features added that Nvidia doesn't want us to have. Right now SteamOS won't work right on an nvidia card because of the way Gamescope works. Nvidia cards just don't have the driver support to mesh with it despite the cards being more than capable.
Also having the drivers built into the linux kernel is much, much more convenient. As of right now I just plug an AMD card in and make sure my software is up to date. That's it, it just works.
If nvidia wants to keep things closed source then they need to step it up and give the linux community more love. The community is willing to do it themselves, but we can't do much with the closed source drivers.
@@CoilWhine they opened up their kernel drivers at least
@@CoilWhine what features do you want in Linux that Nvidia won't give you.
Nvidia gives you headless gpu support on Linux for mining only gpus.
It let's you use pass-through to game on them.
Ray tracing is making its way to Linux, dlss I'm not sure about since it's so newly implemented.
Steam os beta page on the valve website says it support Nvidia amd and Intel.
So it does support Nvidia.
Your video is outdated.
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@@CoilWhine You monster.
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It works great with a 5800x + 6900xt. Desktop mode works great, Game mode resolution is out of touch. Elden Ring is working much better then on a Stock arch build.
Have you tried using modengine 2 with ER mods? I'm wanting to drop win11 and going with steamOS but was wondering how third party game apps run on it. I have a similar setup to your system 5900x + 6900xt
holo iso 4.0 doesn't give any gpu options like 3.2 did which no longer exists to download
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Hey while the spinning logo is cool, it's really distracting especially since it's above your head, best to just keep it locked in. Maybe add your youtube somewhere just in case
Thanks homie you're the first real feedback ive gotten on it, ill switch it up
@@CoilWhine Alternatively slow it way down
wanna do a steam OS vs windOwS 10/11 on games and show fps?
Installation guide would be great! How to build the ISO
Hallo i got blackscreen after install. 6900xt and denon avr and epson tw7000. Please help
Cause I dont want to get WIndows 11, like Ever.
But I know at sometime in the future Windows 10 will get Boxed like 7 did...
And I have no hopes from Microsoft to make a Windows that ditches 90% of everything that 11 has, I really hope the SteamOS gets good enough to compete against the Windows monopoly.
So now that this thing has been out for a few months, how would it compare to a 10-year old PC running an i5-3570K, GTX 660 ti, 8 GB RAM, and 2 TB platter HDD? Seems like people are saying the GPU is less powerful than a GTX 1050, and userbenchmark says the GTX 660 ti is slightly faster than the 1050. Am I really to believe that this thing is weaker than my 10 year old PC? I mean I know it's a handheld, but damn.....
Yes. It's slower.
About as powerful as a 1030 iirc.
Which is half as fast at a 1050.
It does not matter how old your pc is if if it beats something currently in production.
It's not possible to make a handheld that draws as much power and performs better than a older mid range pc.
You would need at least 150 watts for the whole system.
The steam deck uses I think 35 watts max, and usually uses 15 in games.
The cpu in your system probably draws 120 watts, your gpu probably draws 120 watts, your already way above what the steam deck power draw is there.
The goal is low power draw for decent performance for a low resolution.
I would like to install but I am not able to put SSD make a tutorial explaining thank you very much,
ryzen 5 2400g 16 of ram.
I 1st thought to make my pc a console by installing steam os, than I came to know some games are there like pubg pc that are still not supported in steam os till now.🤕🤕
Rip anticheat
@@CoilWhine
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Civ5 and KSP are native to begin with you did not need to list them
LOL thank goodness I hung on to my old Vega 64.
Now I just need to grab a cheap Ryzen.
is valve thinks this will be enought to steal market share from windows they're very wrong.
the big old unsupported NVIDIA in the room alone acounts for 50% of all steam users.
It's a neat system and I fell in love with it on the deck though, I can't wait for further OS support,
FROM VALVE.
Steam os supports Nvidia.
Nvidia drivers are built Into the Linux kernel.
Nvidia supports Linux, very well in fact. Even having the Nvidia control panel.
The only thing Nvidia does not do is make their drivers open source.
Software does not need to be open source just because your operating system is open source. It does not work like that.
The open source Nvidia drivers the community made are absolutely garbage and can't do a thing.
The normal Nvidia drivers are great and work very well.
There is no reason Nvidia should make the source open because it wouldn't benefit the end users performance.
Pffft. Then get me an AMD.
If Valve can use SteamOS to get even 30% of AMD gamers to use GNU/Linux, then they're in a pretty good shape.
@@softwarelivre2389 that won't happen. And Nvidia isn't unsupported in linux.
Linux performance is great.
Wanna know what I think is happening with amd? Their windows drivers have sucked forever because the people working on them came over from Intels gpu division (no joke) and those bad drivers have been holding back the performance.
When the drivers are open source on linux the community eventually makes the drivers good doing the job that the devs are supposed to, letting you fully utilize the gpu gaining performance Over windows.
It's not that the linux drivers are good per se, it's that the windows ones are bad. They need someone to actually work on them, get them functional. Nvidia has their driver situation perfect. They don't need community to make them because they hire qualified people to do it.
@@raycert07 yeah, probably won't happen, but I was just debunking OP's argument of "without NVIDIA we're doomed forever" and such.
so i have to install arch linux then make this? i am new in this can you make a tutorial to this i have an amd processor. please
Can i dual boot this with windows 11?
and does it work as a virtual machine?
Can u please test with AMD discrete GPU ? Like the RX6000 for example
It does work with our 6900xt, what would you like to see?
I am currently trying to build the iso on winesapos with an error. Can you make a video on how you built the ISO?
I used balena etcher, but yeah well get out a video how to install it here soon
i don't think if they wanted the steam os 3 to be supported to all computers that just out from their pay grade. that's why they would'nt release steam os 3 other than for the steamduck.
Considering if they release it with valve attached to it the steam troubleshooting people would get overloaded with linux questions
Ditching the 2080RTX for an amd gpu
I am so hyped for the 7000 series.
What happens when the official release actually happens? Will this install still work? Or will we need to delete everything and reinstall?
You'll likely want to reinstall everything at that point. This is more of a tech demo/proof of concept.
It _could_ get updated to match the official ISO if/when we get it, but I wouldn't count on it.
i heard that systems based on lunix always use integrated gpu for everything
Nah you can use dedicated graphics on this it just has to be amd, our 6900xt works great
@@CoilWhine i know there is alot of amd gpus good enough to handle modern games but i still prefer nvidia rtx for gaming
Can someone make a tutorial on how to download holoiso cause I'm stuck on getting internet to install it but I don't have an Ethernet cord
Were working on it
@@CoilWhine alright thanks.
That why I love amd more then nvidia
But... Will it be faster than a Windows System in gaming... I think not really. Eventually for low end Systems, but its not worth to change a running Windows System like Mine. I used all Windows since 3.11. Never had Problems with gaming, ok with my 5700xt Yeah a lot but i Stick now with a 3070 and Windows 11. Its perfect. I tried a lot Linux distros. Never been happy with it. But i wish Valve take a fight, because Linux deserve attention in the gaming World.
It might not be faster or more useable than windows but man does it boot fast and for the first time im impressed with linux compatibility, like Bethesda games dont like to boot because the splash screen and whatnot, games like cyberpunk will take 3 different protons to see what works, this just worked for me so im pretty happy with it
@@CoilWhine i hope so. I love Linux, but there is no line. Every distro ist not equal and makes it not easy for oldschool Windows victims. But now i have hope... Valve go! Take the Chance.
Some games Linux can run faster than Windows since it is more optimised and less resource hungry, the main barrier is compatibility which causes a lot of games to perform better than Windows. I believe Elden Ring actually performed better on Linux, as shown by tests performed by Chris Titus Tech.
yup. it doesn't like my intel cpu.
Rip
Did the tpd slider work?
Lol i didnt try, thats a good question
this os is good?
Works pretty darn good for gaming
@@CoilWhine can install in 1195g7 mini?
@@pkpkpkok should be possible
@@pkpkpkok have you done it yet? i cant seem to get it to install on my 1195g7 1s
@@MikeLitty69 i buy a old oxp mini 1195g7 this friday yes it cant
Oh cool, another Arch distro with Steam preinstalled...
Not quite, it really does boot into the steam deck user interface
@@CoilWhine Yep, gamescope is awesome.
Welcome to Linux gaming. Enjoy your stay.
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Please upload Steam deck videos only
All you gotta do is follow the dam train cj
@@CoilWhine it’s smoke fault not mine homeboy
@@carljohnson4592 does smoke got a steam deck i can borrow?
@@CoilWhine smoke only cares about food
Go ahead and blame the lack of sh* Nvidia Drivers are for Linux.
yerkk.... linux that run windows game with an emulator... a piece of crap.. good for linux geek that hate windows but depend on it lol