Why I went with a Procharger vs other superchargers.
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- In this video I give my opinion, feel free to voice yours in the comments, why I went with a Procharger vs other superchargers such as: Whipple, Magnuson, Vortech, TorqStorm, etc. While there are advantages and disadvantages to both centrifugal and positive displacement superchargers, I went with a centrifugal supercharger, specifically Procharger. Hope this helps with others trying to make the same decision.
Merchandise Store: teespring.com/stores/modern-r...
Social Media:
IG: @modern_red_hemi
Facebook: / shake-n-bake-102964158...
Twitter: Modern Red Hemi (@modernredhemi)
Support Mopar Channels:
Incredible Hemi: / bignicky111
R/T Life: / @rtlife
Frostbite Ram: / @frostbiteram
Hemi Muscle: / @hemimuscle
Grizzly Mardy: / @grizzlymardy
Sponsor: Paint Correction by Associated: www.paintcorrectionbyassociate...
My channel is dedicated to the Challenger / Charger R/T (RT) 5.7 liter HEMI, though we touch on the 6.4 (392, Scat Pack, and Daytona) and Hellcat (both base and Redeye trims), continually adding modifications to get the most out of it. I currently own a cammed Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi. I try to bring content that is not only informative but hopefully entertaining. I do not want others making the same mistakes I did and hopefully save you some money in the end. I am dedicated to taking my 5.7 liter Hemi in its stock form as fast as it will possibly allow me. My current list of modifications is extensive but there is plenty more to come. If you are modifying your 5.7 Hemi, this is the channel to watch. I provide unbiased, I have no ties to any business or sponsors, opinion on options that I have purchased or have done extensive research on. Sit back, relax and enjoy the video.
Here is the list of current modifications:
Drag Pack:
17” Race Star Skinnies up front (Hossier 27.5/4.5/17)
18” Bravada in the rear (Hoosier 28/10.5/18)
Street Set Up:
Front: 20x9.5 Demon Replicas with Nitto 555 G2 (275/40/20)
Rear: 20x10.5 Demon Replicas with Nitto 555 R (305/35/20)
HHP/BES Stage 3 Heads
1320 Scat Pack Rear Springs
BMR Upper Trailing Arms
BMR Lower Control Arms
3.70 Limited Slip Differential
6.4L/392 Intake Manifold
Modern Muscle Extreme 87mm Throttle Body
Stock Dodge Shaker Cold Air Intake
Dodge Scat Pack Stage 2 Cam (Comp Cam 270 and without Stage 2 PCM)
Non MDS Lifters
Kooks Long Tube Headers
Kooks Green High Flow Catted mid pipe
Borla ATAK catback exhaust
160 Degree thermostat
Circle D 3800 stall torque converter
Jay Greene 93 octane tune for the street and 100 octane race tune
Music provided by: Vlog No Copyright Music
Link to their channel: / @vlognocopyrightmusic 
Авто/Мото
Damn that 5.7 is going to be screaming! Congrats on the new setup - big power coming.
He’ll have to look at my ugly face during the install lol
Widebody_moparmike you installing it big bruh 👀
Thanks brother! She is going to be a ripper for sure!
@Widebody_moparmike I sure will! LOL... 😈
joseph adams I will be there helping Don through the process 🤘
Happy for you and it will be awesome. Can not wait for the install!!!
You and me both!
That 5.7L Hemi V8 is going to be a monster when the procharger gets Installed.
She is going to be a ripper for sure!😉
Perfectly sound logic. Lookin forward to seeing the results!
I am as well brother!
You explained your logic in choosing the Procharger in an earlier video on your R/T, as I have the 1970 style traditional Challenger hood a low profile E-Force fits great under the stock hood. I won't need forged internals with that set up combined with modest conservative boost levels. It really is a blast taking our cars up a few notches with these types of exciting mods man!
Right on! I know I did, just wanted to go a little deeper this time.
Yes, you will need the forged internals if you want to get the times in the 10's. If you just eant a quick street car and only use 8-10 pounds of boost then no you don't need them, but it would still be wise to have forged internals. If you do what l suggested with the supercharger change you might save enough to pay for the forged internals by making that change.
I cant wait to see the build come together!
Me either! 😈
I’m so happy for you bruh 💪🏾💯🔥 shake And bake is going to be so mean
Thanks brother! She is going to be lean, ok maybe not lean, but mean for sure! 😈
Easier install is what I like about the procharger
For sure.
Man I’m Happy for you and shake and bake 🥳 I’ve been hoping you or R/T Life would some kind of forced induction . Can’t wait to see how it comes out
Thanks brother! I can't wait either!
Srt life
Hell yeah 100% agree brother. One day I'll have one on my Ram Rt too. Congrats. 👍🏽
Thanks brother! I can't sleep at all right now! 💤💤
Those hemis make so much torque so centrifugal is best...You will make monster mid and top end power.
That's really what I was looking for, ease in and then let'er eat!
@@ModernRedHemi Your car launches like a monster off the line as is...With the pro charger you should be mid to low 10's on 93.
Can’t wait to see how you’re ripping man🤛🏼 btw, with your 305’s on the rear, did you have any fitment issues? Did you need spacers?
I actually moved to 315s in the rear. No, no issues with fitment and no spacers.
I’m following in your footsteps sensei 🙌🏾
LOL... just don't make my mistakes.
Modern Red Hemi lol I saw the all the videos. Can’t learn if there’s no trial and error right??
Looking forward to seeing you rail your Shaker Challenger once you get your new Procharger all dialed in my friend! I validate your reasoning for going with your selection, makes sense. I am having the Edelbrock E-Force Supercharger installed on my 2014 Blacktop Edition R/T with Super Track Pack & 392 ratio rear-end.
Thanks brother! Would love to hear when you get yours installed and dialed in as well!
vinniecorleone62 that's awesome your getting the Edelbrock supercharger, I think that is a good safe setup, hope you make some videos on it.
Sound logic for your choice, looking forward to the results!
Me to brother! I'll break it all down in a future video.
Looking forward to your build! My long term plan includes forged stroker. You may convince me to go FI as well, but I would likely go Maggie to keep stock (sleeper?) looks w/ Shaker.
Thanks! What you are planning sounds interesting. I have just taken her about as far as I can NA so no other route but FI.
Wow man that's crazy! I'm interested to see how the setup works out for you! I know exactly what you mean about the idle sound of the supercharger, I had that on my old 97 Firebird I supercharged, and it did sound strange at idle. I'm curious to see how the setup works with your cam! Pretty exciting man, she's going to rip pretty hard!
You and me both! Not sure how the Procharger and the Comp Cam 270 are gonna work but we will see! I did get the upgraded gears so it should be pretty quiet.
Congrats Man bring on the power
Thanks brother! Some great race content coming in the next few weeks. LOL...
Gonna be moving up a few brackets with that power!
For sure!
People misuse CHEAP. Cheap describes quality and not cost. Less expensive would describe cost.
I'll remember that from now on! Thanks! 💪
I got a 2018 57 hemi and I'm thinking about putting a pro charge on mine Chrysler 300
If you do, you'll LOVE it! 💪💪💪
I would love to meet up with you and compare Challengers. I interited my late fathers 2010 Challenger 5.7 R/T and I am conflicted with a hellcat conversion or a procharger.
If you are in the DMV area just hit me up on Instagram, just make sure to let me know who you are as some people are not the same name as here. We can link up and I'd be happy to discuss with ya!
Thanks for the video. Trying to decide myself. For tracking a car it seems Procharger would be best option, the way the boost comes on.
To be honest, you really can't go wrong with any of the superchargers, especially if you are more in it for the fun and driving experience. If you are into hardcore racing then there are some differences you would want to take into account but for the average Joe, any will do fine. 💪💪💪
Will your motor be able to handle the pro charger? Or do you have to beef up the bottom end?
As long as you stay in the safe range (7-8lbs of boost) the stock bottom is perfectly fine IMO.
I have always loved the Procharger kit because you can upgrade the system. I also like the new Hellion kit and maybe one day one of these kits could make it onto the Scat.
Thanks brother! The Hellion kits are pretty sweet but with the upgrades I would have wanted it put the price in the stratosphere. Will see how the D-1X does on low boost and then later down the road, after forging, a little extra boost. 😉
Only issue with the hellion kit is the oil system sits too low , if it wasn’t for that I myself would of gone this route vs the procharger setup I’m running right now
@@widebody_moparmike everything on the kit sits low. The turbos sitting only a few inches from the road while driving is a concern of mine, but they make great power.
Nice!.. Gotta keep the hood!..nice shirt too..got the same one at Carlisle!..
Keeping the Shaker was a must. Thanks on the shirt! Love Carlisle but missed it this year.
That hesitation almost got me for a minute…he almost forgot which supercharger he had for a minute.
LOL... this is me doing these videos off the cuff and not scripting them. I feel scripting them seems to unnatural and I'm a 100% open book. 💪
You’re on Croom rd. Nice fun little road for driving
Thanks brother! I really appreciate the support! 💪💪💪
I like the Vortech if choosing a centrifugal. The Procharger has that weird TRIANGLE shaped box that turns the air 90 degrees on the Hemis right before the throttle body. I have seen several people keep blowing the charge pipe of right there. They make a great supercharger but I wish their routing was more like the Vortech.
I agree with the routing issue and having the same trouble with the coupler blowing off at that very point. Hasn't done it in a while but it has done it. At some point, I am going to talk with an installer/fabricator to see what we can do. Possibly a different intercooler (liquid to air) with a different set up may work.
The Vortech is also a more efficient unit as well. We are currently finishing up a 2019 Scat Pack Widebody with Vortech Ysi and new rotating assembly which took it from a 392cibto a 428ci. It's going to be a handful.
Air to air inner cooler is another big reason to go ProCharger
Got that right!
This is funny. I’m the guy with the boss 302 we raced in Hagerstown. Me and my buddy with the GT 350 have Superchargers on ordered. I went VMP and he went whipple. Sounds like a rematch next year ???
Absolutely! I'm always down for a good rematch with some cool down to earth folks!
Modern Red Hemi we will set something up in the spring
Im in hagerstown too
Here's where I am. I obviously have the same concerns. Keeping the shaker. So ProCharger or Vortech. I could go twin turbo as well. The piping looks like a nightmare, and while I can weld, I don't have a welder at the house. So fab work would be a PITA. My reason for stopping in was Procharger vs Vortech. Which wasn't covered LMAO. I see two distinct differences with the two. Procharger has the inlet up alongside the motor so I'm thinking hot air inlet vs Vortech reverse mount design that pull air from the front, so it would be cooler air incoming. I'll have to go looking for the followup video comparing them now. LOL
I don't really have a good comparison with the Vortech. I don't know anyone that has one except in the 6 cylinder variant. My AIT's are not awfully bad though. Remember that it goes through the intercooler before coming back into the throttle body. Agree though, it may be a little cooler coming from the front vice the engine bay. If you get it we will definitely will have to do a comparison. 💪💪💪
My biggest question is does this void the warranty? Other than that I'm stoked you're getting what you've wanted. Can't wait for the new track slips!
Pretty sure it does! LOL... I am stoked as well. Almost can't sleep at night until it comes in and installed. 🙃
@@ModernRedHemi well it was good while it lasted
Modern Red Hemi they’ll have to prove if there’s a problem that it came from result of the modification
@@davidsgarage7251 That is true but with everything I have done it won't take much to prove it, especially if it's drive train or engine related. Fighting the building full of lawyers is an up hill battle as well.
Modern Red Hemi yep. always good to build a great relationship with 1 dealer. After having bought 10+ cars from same one they have assured they’ll cover my trackhawk. it’s pushing 1000whp and nothing near stock.
Whats your opinion on the big red race bov?
It's definitely the safer option but it tends to be loud.
@@ModernRedHemi im perfectly ok with that lol. Thanks man. Keep up the good content.
Patiently waiting
The kit is on the way!
Congratulations but what you going to do with transmission?
Eventually build it but for now keep it as is. Doing some research the 8HP70 is rated at 700 ft/lbs of torque so I should be safe for now.
Cost? Roughly....... thinking about doing this to my 2 door ram 5.7
With all the additions (injectors, fuel pump, boost gauge, etc.) a little over $7500
@Modern Red Hemi - I don't think you'll have a problem installing the Procharger. The directions are good and detailed. The only issue you will have is with tuning. Because your car has a cam, long tubes, ported heads, and an upgraded intake the tune that comes with the Procharger kit won't work. The Procharger tune is conservative and developed for a stock car. I would imagine that Jay Greene writes tunes for supercharged cars and you can have him do it. Tuning is a little more complicated and will take some datalogging and several revisions. If there is a tuner that has a good reputation in your area and knows Mopar, I would consider going that route for the tune. Dyno tuning will best optimize the potential of the supercharger. For what it's worth, my car is Procharged and I like it. It's a good thing because there is no positive displacement supercharger made for my car. From a pure power standpoint, turbos make the most power. You could compete with and hold your own with Hellcats if you go with turbos. However, that won't be the case with a Procharger. The nice thing about the centrifugal is that 3500 RPM and below, your car will drive the way it does now. It's also much easier on the drivetrain. Good luck with the installation.
Thanks brother! I was looking at the install instructions the other day. Seems pretty clear cut. Gonna stick with Jay. We have a pretty good relationship and he took my car from a real bad place to running like a dream. We will get through it for sure. Thanks for the input and the continued support to the channel! 😀
Hu 3.7 wouldn’t knock the procharger set up , hellcats have a hard time with me and I’m just a boosted scat on a stock block 😉
@@widebody_moparmike - Not knocking the Procharger. I own one myself. At the dragstrip, the Procharged car will lose to the Hellcat. That's for 2 reasons. The first is maximum boost isn't achieved until redline for a Procharged car. The Hellcat builds maximum boost at lower RPM. A stock Hellcat will achieve 11-12 pounds of boost to 7lbs for the Procharger. The Procharged horsepower will approach but not reach the peak number of the Hellcat because centrifugals are more efficient. However, the Hellcat will produce more power at all parts of the curve especially at lower RPM. A Prochared Scat Pack will be extremely quick. However, with 2 good drivers the Hellcat should prevail by 2 car lengths or more over the Procharged Scat Pack at dragstrip. On the street, it's more about traction than horsepower in a race.
Well I’m here to tell you I haven’t seen many stock kitty’s running 11.2s in the 1/4 , second a 392 is bigger cube vs the 6.2 , pound for pound the 392 will win , stock kitty’s Dyno low 600s and well so did my 392 stock other than the procharger 🤷♂️.
I just learned that the centri chargers are exponential in a squared way. Meaning, if you make 25 pounds at 7k rpm, you're not making 12.5 pounds at 3500rpm, you're actually making *5 pounds*
This actually made me really disappointed in centrifugal all of a sudden. I'm sure it's ideal for traction, especially on bigger displacement-to-weight ratio cars, but I was really hoping for something to be the perfect middle ground between Turbos and Supers and it seems Centri's aren't quite it, which is REALLY apparent now that I correctly understand how they build boost.
Spot on brother! Definitely helps with traction though and more than makes up for it on the top end. 💪
@@ModernRedHemi Yeah, if your car already had a big enough N/A engine (roughly 1 cubic inch per 10-15 pounds), then a true centrifugal makes a lot of sense if you want a crapload of relatively controllable power beyond what N/A can provide. I just wish for those slightly under-engined cars (1 cube per 15-20 pounds) there was that linear-increase option that would do 1/2 boost at 1/2 RPM instead of sqrt-boost at 1/2 rpm, and was as relatively simple and clean to install and setup as a centrifugal is.
Turbos are a pain and easily destructive, and positive displacement is just for the flex/bragging rights IMO. Both have the potential to literally "overblow" a power package in more ways than one. IDK.
Whipple Superchargers Whipple Superchargers twin screw design makes them the most efficient supercharger available for making horsepower. Now shipping all Gen 3, Gen 4 and Gen 5 systems. Available for most modern late model Ford, Chevy and Dodge applications.
Whipple would have been higher on the list if I could keep the Shaker! I may have went with one.
I think the Whipple is a bit cheaper. Ask Whipple if they can make a hook up for the shacker. I think the Whipple is a couple of grand cheaper. Marbe you can get everything you need from Whipple and get more power for the same price as the Procharger
Is it just the look of the shacker.that you want to retain. If so, run the the supercharger connection to intake in normal fashion, thenmount the shacker scoop over to come up through the hood in stock position. Don't forget tje scoop will not operate anymore once a superchatger is feeding boostrd pressure to the engine.
🔥🔥🏁
Thanks brother!
Oh boy, gonna be able to keep up with Al and I?
Probably not but get a little closer for sure!
I figured the shaker had to be the biggest reason for choosing the pro charger
Sure was. If not for the Shaker it would have been a harder decision.
Modern Red Hemi yeah especially since you’ve done so much to it in its naturally aspirated form. Was spray ever a consideration?
Congrats I knew you wouldn’t stay na wish I had open roads on Long Island like what you have
I'm gonna need some long straight ones to log for Jay now! LOL...
Be curious to see what kind of ET’s you’ll be running.
That's why I am swapping again. Hopefully I can get another track day before the Procharger install.
High 10s, ok I'm cheating... I watched the current videos first....lol
Centrifugal? Ok...the Hellion kit is unlimited in power plus you can shape the ramp up. Centrifugals are progressive true, but the crank load on the snout is high. Twin turbskis is the big move
True enough but with the kit I would have wanted it would have skyrocketed the price. 😬
Again the turbos and there oil system sit to low to the ground , as for a dd probably not a good thing in the dmv , second the procharger on 7psi he’ll pick up 200 whp and have same drive ability as stock. , might wanna follow my scat build on ig if your not a believer
@@widebody_moparmike ok, clearance issues aside, you're still limited to some degree and any step up will require a new head unit. Then you have to upgrade the belt system. Then more parts. At some point the cost factor and reliability goes wrong. A lot of centri users end up going turbo to stay competitive and increase reliability. At the top level, Daddy Dave is a prime example...went from nitrous to Procharger to twin 88mm turbos....why? Because of tuneability and reliability. Sloppy Mechanics is on the other end...he's done nitrous, supercharging and turbo...but his most popular setups are all turbo. The Hemi and the LS are super close in design, although the price point is different.
Brother Django Dakota well see that’s where everyone goes wrong , procharger headunits if you pick the right one from the start you won’t have issues (and it’s fairly cheap to send back to have it upped ) as for belt issues again picking the right belt and tensioner for the application is key. And as for turbo builds the basic kits (key there is kit) what you’re talking about is people going to custom built set ups which the avg joe isn’t doing in their driveway or garage nor using as a daily driver. Let’s be honest if we’re gonna go for all out fast drag racing everyone would go for a lsx car and not a heavy Mopar boat
Logarithmic?
Yeah, sometimes I just can't speak English. 😂
2 videos for the same topic??
I don't think I doubled up but could have a little.
Procharged ftw
I see you out cruising through croom lol
Yup, trying to keep up with you. LOL...
Sure was. Wanted something a little different than just 301 and 50
I personally think whipple because with the pro charger you’ll have to run a longer race to get the power rather than not spooling up fast enough and someone with a bottom end making the quarter mile faster
You'd be surprised how fast the power comes in with the ProCharger though true, with a Whipple it will come in a little quicker. 1/4 mile though I'd take out a Whipple with the same mods every time. 😉
Wats better for digs and for not spinning as much ?? On the street
@@ModernRedHemi ^
@@just_a5.7 Drag Radials for sure but you'll run through them pretty quickly as compared to normal tires. Expect 5-7k miles and need new ones, depending on how many burnouts/races you do.
@@ModernRedHemi I meant wat boost set up
Agonizing.
Well how can I get better would've been nice other than just agonizing.
For fucks sake man spit it out already! Literally couldn’t listen to more than 2 minutes of word soup!!
Thanks for your constructive criticism. I'll try and do that. ;-)