Thanks so much for this wonderful show with Ms. Wexler. I can't get to the exhibit but I have seen the Curator's Tour videos and really enjoyed them. And this was an extra special treat as well.
Oh, I would LOVE to be able to see every item in that exhibition! If I had known about this I would definitely had considered leaving Sweden for a few days. Sad I missed it. Just found your channel. Very interesting stuff! Thanks!
Don’t know how I could have missed this! Can’t seem to join when you’re live, but I always check them out…sooner or later, and sooner is better. ✨🙋🏻♀️
Having recently been adopted by a beautiful cat, I was pondering about cat names and came across the tale/tail of Pangur Bàn, a much loved mog from Irish ecclesiastical tradition. Serendipity 🐈⬛
Really really wish I could have gone to London to see the World of Stonehenge exhibit in person. So many bucket list artifacts were on display. It would be amazing. Too bad the exhibition couldn't stay longer and can't really travel either.
Oh, yes, Reading the Past covered the frog bones in her monthly history news video. Rim shot + crickets=perfectly appropriate for someone who believes religion only started in the 13th century.
Rupert there are dolmen in North America. Lynn domen is the only one I could think of but the book "Ancient Stone Sites of New England and the Debate Over Early European Exploration" Talks about the dolmen in the north east on page 103. I have not read the book, just found it on google. There are others that got in the way of farming and were dismantled. Some are documented in an old survey of the mounds and stone structures, if I can find the old document I will try to get you a name to search. Just found Hugh has a video on his channel MegalithomaniaUK titled Cannon Rock that has video and pictures of a few in the Northeast USA.
26:15 If you were to excavate my childhood home you would find dead animals wrapped in blankets and inside boxes all over the yard. Status quo would call it a ritualistic sacrificial site when the reality is it is just half a lifetime of pets who were loved and buried close to home when they died. Sometimes burials like this can be unrelated. Could have been a befriended animal turned pet they buried and the family member was buried nearby at a different time.
The people saying it's common sense to know when to plant crops all have the advantage that they have never lived in a time without calendars. Whether they realise it or not, that's going to affect their thinking. If they woke up from a coma and had to guess the date based on the view from their window, that's inevitably going to be a lot harder than assessing whether a given day in March is a good one for planting- you at least already know that it's March. Yes, there are loads of environmental cues that you can usually use to work out the time of year, but they can sometimes be thrown off by unusual weather. Also, they've probably not had to live an entire year on just their own produce. That was the basic reality for ancient people- they had to know how long their supplies would last and ration them accordingly. I definitely understand the argument being made, but I think that they're underestimating how useful a means of accurately determining the date would be to Neolithic farmers, or at least are being overconfident in their ability to dismiss the idea.
I came across a bunch of photographs from the 19 hundreds showing construction or reconstruction of Stonehenge. Did you know about that? What is that about?
Hi Lola, Yes, nothing was made up, the reconstruction was purely putting stones into their original positions which were clear from how they had fallen. Concrete was used in some cases due to more modern concerns about visitor safety. There's a decent potted history of it here: www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/stonehenge/history-and-stories/history/conservation/ R
Re convergent evolution of cultures there might be no dolmens in the Americas but there are pyramids. Years ago in a programme debunking Eric Von Daniken's book an engineer pointed out that if you are building a monumental structure and dont have mortar the pyramid is the only stable structure. Anything else will collapse after a certain size is reached.
...cats domesticated humans, not the other way around! There is a scientific argument which posits that cats have never actually been domesticated, they've just evolved. 😸
The idea that Henges were not about farming, is a bit like calling the average peasant stupid, for believing the sun revolved around the earth. One of the basic premises of sympathetic magic is the belief that natural forces can be influenced by ritual and sacrifice, and who in farming does NOT want to influence the seasons in their favour? This not only produces the incentive for religious elites to industrialise sympathetic magic, (bigger is better) but it also devote considerable resources to upscale the ritual simply to make it more immersive for punters. Thus is triggered an economic feedback loop.
Our understanding of time began somewhere. Why wouldn't clever dudes in prehistoric times have used all the resources they had to understand the movement of the sun, the rotation and orbit of the planet. etc. They may not have put it in those terms, but by observing and measuring, they lay the foundations of our concept of time for good or ill. The unit of time is integral to all?physics equations leading to, or at least describing so many inventions. I don't see it as a mystery that these guys did what they had to to expand knowledge. Just as we do today. And they could explain their findings to farmers and anyone else who cared to listen. Talking of waffle....
A nice bloviation session. Didn't really get any good info from it because my attention drifted and by time I caught the tail end of something you started bloviating again and I don't have time for going back.
I look at the two of you as wizards flying through a time tunnel, having a good rollick, and narrating the whole thing for the rest of us.
Great episode 🌊🏄♂️🌵❄️
Yay! What a great 74th birthday seeing you two has been! ~ Loula from Kent in the Great Northwest near Seattle
I love in downtown Kent...n WA. 🥰🥰🥰
I'm 78, going on 79. 1944, August. WW II baby.
I became a patron in 2020 and they announced my name live on air my 76th birthday 🎉
Thanks so much for this wonderful show with Ms. Wexler. I can't get to the exhibit but I have seen the Curator's Tour videos and really enjoyed them. And this was an extra special treat as well.
Thanks for posting this up! Enjoying watching now!
fantastic show, thank you....The ideas around the use of red orca was fascinating...perhaps it was also used as a sun-screen?...mmm?
I thoroughly enjoyed your programme, many thanks. And what an excellent guest too. Bravo.
Oh, I would LOVE to be able to see every item in that exhibition!
If I had known about this I would definitely had considered leaving Sweden for a few days.
Sad I missed it.
Just found your channel. Very interesting stuff! Thanks!
Excellent show as usual:)
Wonderful show guys! 😊💚🍀
Don’t know how I could have missed this! Can’t seem to join when you’re live, but I always check them out…sooner or later, and sooner is better. ✨🙋🏻♀️
Yes I also miss that..Carole
Having recently been adopted by a beautiful cat, I was pondering about cat names and came across the tale/tail of Pangur Bàn, a much loved mog from Irish ecclesiastical tradition. Serendipity 🐈⬛
I like waffles especially with strawberries or rhubarb.
Looking forward to this 😊
Yeah Karen looking forward...
Awesome sound track!
You are on!!!! Yay!!!🧚♀️🍃
Hi boys..been offline for a while..back and forth from london (putney) and spain.
Q & A coming next week sounds great 👍
Really really wish I could have gone to London to see the World of Stonehenge exhibit in person. So many bucket list artifacts were on display. It would be amazing. Too bad the exhibition couldn't stay longer and can't really travel either.
Could you imagine the insurance if it were to travel.
I think the Stonehenge Exhibit at the Denver Museum of Science and Nature ended last year.
Amazing donuts in Banbury Cross!
Oh, yes, Reading the Past covered the frog bones in her monthly history news video. Rim shot + crickets=perfectly appropriate for someone who believes religion only started in the 13th century.
Rupert there are dolmen in North America. Lynn domen is the only one I could think of but the book "Ancient Stone Sites of New England and the Debate Over Early European Exploration" Talks about the dolmen in the north east on page 103. I have not read the book, just found it on google. There are others that got in the way of farming and were dismantled. Some are documented in an old survey of the mounds and stone structures, if I can find the old document I will try to get you a name to search. Just found Hugh has a video on his channel MegalithomaniaUK titled Cannon Rock that has video and pictures of a few in the Northeast USA.
Thanks BP, and apologies for the tardy reply. I'll check out that book:) R
26:15 If you were to excavate my childhood home you would find dead animals wrapped in blankets and inside boxes all over the yard. Status quo would call it a ritualistic sacrificial site when the reality is it is just half a lifetime of pets who were loved and buried close to home when they died.
Sometimes burials like this can be unrelated. Could have been a befriended animal turned pet they buried and the family member was buried nearby at a different time.
The people saying it's common sense to know when to plant crops all have the advantage that they have never lived in a time without calendars. Whether they realise it or not, that's going to affect their thinking. If they woke up from a coma and had to guess the date based on the view from their window, that's inevitably going to be a lot harder than assessing whether a given day in March is a good one for planting- you at least already know that it's March. Yes, there are loads of environmental cues that you can usually use to work out the time of year, but they can sometimes be thrown off by unusual weather.
Also, they've probably not had to live an entire year on just their own produce. That was the basic reality for ancient people- they had to know how long their supplies would last and ration them accordingly. I definitely understand the argument being made, but I think that they're underestimating how useful a means of accurately determining the date would be to Neolithic farmers, or at least are being overconfident in their ability to dismiss the idea.
My poor frogs (7 in total) all died in my pond after an icy winter. It was extremely gruesome when I cleaned out the pond. 🐸 😢
These small axeheads look more like pearls to me!
The twisted sisters? Mac Beth was further south than previously conceived. Early French gourmet?
Yes, I like the groovy tunes also,
Nebra sky disc 😮 star chart
The Greeks told me this island is pronounced an-teak-key-thera, emphasis on teak-key😊
I came across a bunch of photographs from the 19 hundreds showing construction or reconstruction of Stonehenge. Did you know about that? What is that about?
Hi Lola, Yes, nothing was made up, the reconstruction was purely putting stones into their original positions which were clear from how they had fallen. Concrete was used in some cases due to more modern concerns about visitor safety. There's a decent potted history of it here: www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/stonehenge/history-and-stories/history/conservation/ R
Re convergent evolution of cultures there might be no dolmens in the Americas but there are pyramids. Years ago in a programme debunking Eric Von Daniken's book an engineer pointed out that if you are building a monumental structure and dont have mortar the pyramid is the only stable structure. Anything else will collapse after a certain size is reached.
...cats domesticated humans, not the other way around! There is a scientific argument which posits that cats have never actually been domesticated, they've just evolved. 😸
The idea that Henges were not about farming, is a bit like calling the average peasant stupid, for believing the sun revolved around the earth.
One of the basic premises of sympathetic magic is the belief that natural forces can be influenced by ritual and sacrifice, and who in farming does NOT want to influence the seasons in their favour?
This not only produces the incentive for religious elites to industrialise sympathetic magic, (bigger is better) but it also devote considerable resources to upscale the ritual simply to make it more immersive for punters. Thus is triggered an economic feedback loop.
Agree the music is irritating!!!
Pigs, as my dad used to say, i saw the reminder then got distracted. Cant recall why. So here I am a day late.
Our understanding of time began somewhere. Why wouldn't clever dudes in prehistoric times have used all the resources they had to understand the movement of the sun, the rotation and orbit of the planet. etc. They may not have put it in those terms, but by observing and measuring, they lay the foundations of our concept of time for good or ill. The unit of time is integral to all?physics equations leading to, or at least describing so many inventions.
I don't see it as a mystery that these guys did what they had to to expand knowledge. Just as we do today. And they could explain their findings to farmers and anyone else who cared to listen.
Talking of waffle....
Rupert needs to clean his camera lens. 🥰
If they are too young in understanding, or just plain childish, they might not get or might want to dispute an elder's knowledge.
How could you be so heartless. My granpa' was killed in the great frog stampede of '28.
Hi
A nice bloviation session. Didn't really get any good info from it because my attention drifted and by time I caught the tail end of something you started bloviating again and I don't have time for going back.