My Nightmare BMW Experience
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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Problem is, that the car was designed in the northern hemisphere. Storing it upside down may have caused the issue.
Plus the intended downforce of the car becomes lift since it’s upside down, so you get way less grip.
@@BradleyG01 Surprised the car hasn’t just taken off due the upforce.
Does water flow uphill in Australia? Maybe that is the issue
Ya ever Hurd of gravity
Things have gotten too crazy when water in the footwell wrecks some new-gangled gadgetry. If I had six figures for a fun car I’d get one made while the Vietnam war was still going.
this is why you buy old BMW where if it's gonna break it already did. lulw
very true cutie
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Hi there, I have worked in multiple major brand service departments before and can give you multiple similar stories.
Water leaks have been extremely hard for technicians to locate. Most places I have worked have high pressure hoses for the cleaners. Finding a leak like this requires the tech to first try and spray possible areas for several minutes at a time and check to see if that area produced any evidence of a leak inside the car. This can take multiple hours which also effects the cleaners as it’s using their resources.
If they can find an area that repeatably leaks then they can take the trims out of the area and then get another tech to sit inside the car to view the exposed area while the other tech sprays the hose. This might sound like the end of it, but lots of the time reinforcement panelling will be in the way making this process take forever. Lastly once the problem is found it might not be a seal, it might be panel bonding. Which is a panel shop job, but then the warranty clerk has to submit the warranty claim to BMW Australia, which is a back and fourth process by email (I’ve had 50+ emails back and fourth for some claims because I have to send more and more photos and provide more and more information) only once they get the authority to continue the repair is when they can do the repair, meanwhile the time taken for the 2 techs to find the leak isn’t paid nearly enough to it’s a net loss for the dealership. If you want to get results, get onto the phone with BMW Australia and email them this video. The bad PR will get them on the case straight away
Spot on 👍 If your car is out of manufactures warranty You'll probably find that it has what they call an approved used warranty which covers only the basics. I've not worked for BMW for some time but I can guarentee this isn't the first time they've seen this issue. All these reports are useually collated and communicated with technical departments to assist in diagnosing said issue efficiently. Work with your dealer to put pressure on BMW Australia they have a pot of 'good will' money set aside to deal with issues like this.
Without taking away from anything you've said, and I know it can rain hard in Australia, but that much water in the footwell overnight is quite some leak.
I'm guessing the steep driveway angle is the key to finding this leak, and without reproducing that angle the water will not flow through from its initial entry point in the way it has for this customer.
I'm in Adelaide, Australia. You have a rock solid case here against BMW, find a Lawyer now and get some letters sent and BMW will shit themselves. Might save you money in the long run, also make it known to them you will chase legal costs. The longer you leave this the harder it's going to get to fix.
Not necessarily.. Got an F21 with the same doors as the F22/F87. It could have to do with the detailing the car got a few months prior.
These frameless window door seals really don't like ceramic, or other nano codes on them.
When I coded my windows I got warned about this, a single spell over or drop can screw with the sealing to the point where it can't hold water back, or even gets all crumbly. Friction isn't always a bad thing..
@@chimei-tekinaneko8318 Yeah I'm afraid they will just point to the detailing and Ermin will be stuck in between BMW and the detailing company putting the blame on eachother.
@@misterdog7 then it would be a wise move to replicate it.. clean the car and put some water over it, you will see where it enters and then check the seals.
@@chimei-tekinaneko8318 The smoke machine alternative mentioned in another comment here would be easier I reckon.
@@misterdog7 smoke machine may not work when the seal is coated
If you still legally own the car then you should be able to get it back from the dealership if it's still driveable. Take it home and do the time lapse recording as you described during a rain storm. Then take the car back and show the video as proof. If they continue to not treat it as a warranty issue, get a lawyer involved. This is something that they should be having their engineers looking at.
Thats actually a solid plan
He brought it to a place that prob voided the warranty. Probably should have driven it for a week before going to glaze windows. Newb
@@natel7382 And how would that void the warranty? Considering Dealerships detail cars all the time the fact he got it detailed else ware does nothing to void the new vehicle warranty on that car unless BMW can prove what was done lead to the defect. Remember how the dealership was accusing him of off-roading or being a flood car as Erm stated in the video? The dealership is not even saying anything in the realm of being outside influence, meaning the fact it should be a warranty job is still valid.
Plus even if what he got done to have it detailed is an outside influence leading to the defect, it wouldn't void the whole warranty on the vehicle. That's not how warranties work on BMWs at least.
They won't have any engineers look at it, just mechanics and service advisors that's the problem!
@@richardggeorge Not true. Every dealership is assigned a regional engineer who can physically look at weird and unusual problems like this. Especially if Erm can prove it's a problem caused by a defect under the new vehicle warranty, that's where the dealership can get other engineers involved.
Am I the only who automatically thinks it might have something to do with ceramic coating (process) and window glazing?
No that is extremely unlikely - Ermin
The more stuff that gets put out there highlighting the poor customer service of these massive companies the better. The more awareness is increased the more consumers stand a chance of them taking ownership. Props to you for releasing this and hope you get an outcome you are happy with 👍🏻
I agree with the comment re: the detailing. I would seriously wonder if they removed some seals, etc. I've owned 8 BMW's since 1980 and not one ever leaked, even the one I kept for 15 years. I don't see any other reports online re: similar leaks in the 2 series. The only thing really different about yours is that comprehensive detailing you had done, right when you bought it. You may be blaming the wrong people.
No dude, if you look at the frame @ 3:34 you can see a clear water line on your door jamb, your car was under water at some point, hence all the sediment on the door jamb and water inside.
@3:35 and @6:57 & @11:07 specially, you can clearly see more water lines as the water receeded and they line up perfectly with the door seal where it was entering the car
That much mud on the jamb doesn't just fall from the sky.
This is a flood car, and I have a feeling you know it
For water to protrude like that (assuming you had the window fully closed), your outer belt molding would have to be badly damaged, and your vapor barrier damaged which would be completely obvious at inspection, and if that was a manufacturer problem, you wouldn't be the only one with the problem...and you wouldn't have that much mud collected just from rain falling.
This is crazy! I can't imagine how frustrating and stressful this experience has been. Hopefully, someone from BMW in a position to help sees this. Too bad they didn’t deal with this from the beginning; instead, this could have been a video with a happy ending and an excellent customer experience story for BMW. I hope you find some resolution to this in the end, mate thanks for sharing your experience.
Thats what full coverage insurance is for.
He has not disclosed what treatment he has done on the car.
Also he could shower his car at his driveway to find out where the leak is before posting his complaint in youtube, right?
>"babying the car"
>stores it outside
>months at a time
>no car cover
Okay
It may not have been obvious, but he was talking about how he drove it, not about how he stored it. He did all this detailing and protected the paint, it's is not a high standard to say that his expensive as shit car shouldn't have had irrigation issues. My car doors have free windows on the top and i still don't get leaks. This is obviously a manufacturer defect or an engineering issue.
If there were any ceramic coatings applied to any area near the frameless windows, that is likely going to be your issue. You will find that you're able to prevent the water pooling by blocking the window frame off when it rains (with tape, for a rudimentary test.)
It makes sense, given the angle you're leaving the car parked, for water to be able to seep in to the rear footwell but also the door frame itself. I hope you get it sorted out soon.
Yea he should try reversing the car into his parking spot to see if it still happens. That would rule out something
100% ceramic near door seals is the issue. Not car it’s the ceramic
I was wondering the same thing!
Yea spending all that money on ceramics wasn't a smart move. Word to the wise when you buy a new car don't spend any extra on it until it's broken in. You can have a ton of issues. You did it to yourself. Sorry ermz. Ceramic was stupid.
@@natel7382 clear bra is the way to go if you want protection but with my luck, my car will be 100% perfect with all the film and someone will hit it
Similar issue I had with my X5 back in 2015. My driveway is about 20° downwards and one day I noticed driver's floor is flooded overnight and took the car back to BMW and it turn out to be some droppings from trees had blocked the drainage of my sunroof.
I drive the F21, which is build on a very similar platform (M2 is F87 and F22/23 is 2 Series, which shares the platform with F20/21) and i got the same doors as you.. Due to the windows being frameless you can mess sh*t up, if you arent carefull, while detailing and especially with ceramic coding near the sealings..
That's actually an interesting point.
@@2Drezik they either go full crumble, or so smooth, the surface tension of the water sucks it trough the seals.. Forgot the word but its the same thing how plants can transport water up.
@@chimei-tekinaneko8318 Capillaries
yeah capillary action, but yeah I was wondering the same thing. If it was the issue with the detailing job.
That was also the first thing i thought of, when he said, the car got a full detailing and coating. If they were touching the window seals and got some chemicals on it, they could've easily messed something up. Just a negative side of coupe frameless windows. If that is indeed the case, then the BMW dealership is completely useless, since windows and sealing would be the first thing to check if leaking (and sunroof if there is one).
Very disappointing. Genuinely pissed off for you man! Yes keep us updated and I hope you have a positive conclusion to this mess. ✌🏾 💯
It's his fault. Ceramics did it. Thats why he won't get an insurance involved. They will say it's his fault. LOL. Stupid to do anything with a car before it's properly broken in. BMW charges for seat warmers per month. What do you expect.
Yeah, i'm not to sure about this story. Rain getting into a car, sure it happens but i've never seen it in this quantity. The real question for me is the mud...how does the mud get onto the doorsill like that, rain doesn't contain mud....so it must have come up from the ground....so how do you explain that? You can actually see that the mud is kept out of the car by the doorseal. I'm not to sure about this story, can't blame BMW for having second thoughts and wanting you to claim insure for waterdamage. If this is an actual issue with the car, get it back and make the timelapse.
i have had various bmw's over the years and have had a similar issue before, a ten year old car though not a new one. The red flag for me in your video is the detailing. for the car to be coated by a third party they would have removed seals and lights etc and if anything is not quite put on correctly you will get huge condensation and leaks into the car. it can even look right and feel right but just need taking off and putting on again to correct the issue.
I would have loved to see what kind of trees were hanging over the car on the driveway. I'm fairly certain the sap, dust and or leaves got carried by the rainwater and clogged up the drains. Also stupid that you'd have the car parked for months at a time, especially after investing a lot of money into keeping it looking mint for a potential sell, AND NOT PUT A COVER ON IT which would have prevented EVERYTHING hahaha.
The last time I was this shocked was when America blew up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, and then people believed that Putin did it.
Валерий Соловьёв, ты ошибся уже когда зарегистрировался в этом казино, в этом нечистоплотном заведении никогда не стоит там играть, это на 98% нечестные заведения, если вы собираетесь играть в интернет казино, то осмотрительнее подходи к выбору казино, изучи рецензии, рейтинговые списки, необходимо чтоб казино было лицензионным, в интернете множество подобных, мне нравится казирейт, на дистанции у меня ноль, но точно не такой минус как у тебя.
I've seen a few people post about issues with BMW and water leaks now.
One was water in the back footwells caused by a leak in the sunroof drain tubes getting blocked
can be sunroof yes . The problem for him is that he didnt look at the car for months i he should report this on the moment. I have a 5 series and all is good for more then 4 years. Production defects aways happen especially for such a complex product
My E90 suffers from this
I've had a similar experience with an E39 while it was under previous ownership
Not a bmw but the same thing happened to me every autumn. Need to clean out the drainage holes with a trumbone cleaner
This is nothing new. 25 year old problems with sunroofs. E34 already had them.
This is completely odd, and the only thing I can think off is that your detailing friend messed about with the seals or/and the water drains. That amount of water cannot be due to a one off production fault. Never seen anything like this before unless the car is older and the sunroof drains get blocked (or similar)
Did the detailer put PPF?
Rain should not contain mud so rain getting into your car is one issue but that mud is major susp.
What happens if you park you r car the other way in the 30deg sloped parkway?
May have something to do with when the PPF was applied? That seems to me like a weather seal was messed with, which led it to leaking. Can't fathom a scenario where the body paneling itself has enough of a gap to allow the water to flow into there. Usually you'll get leaking issues if it were a convertible, but that's not the case here.
Yeah this is 100% an issue with what he's had done to the car. I understand his frustration but I think he's screwed.
Get a smoke generator and put it inside the car and in the boot, you can hire them cheap. They are designed to troubleshoot this problem, when you see where the smoke is coming from, that’s where your leak is.
Look for “Smoke Pro Diagnostic Smoke Machine”
Agreed. I'm a BMW specialist, an EVAP system smoke machine/generator is the only way to efficiently detect the failure point. I once had a 90's corolla that would fill the trunk after rain. Smoke machine located a missing seal on a washer that held in the tail light. Would have *never found it any other way.
I hope the guys sees this and tries it.
Doesn't it make the car inside smell afterwards?
@@zydomason have it smell for a bit or let it be swamped?
Brand new car and already issues with sealing. That's nuts! Water gets in either through the luggage compartment or through the door seals. Roof has some water deflectors too. Only full disassemble will reveal where it's leaking.
I got an F21 with the same doors, when I coded them I got warned that under no circumstances the coding shall get in contact with the sealings. Either the chemical make it crumbly, or turns it so smooth, that the surface tension sucks the water trough.. And if a tree can use the effect to suck water up into every branch, it sure can fill up that car, going with gravity.
@@chimei-tekinaneko8318 SOme ceramic coat getting on brand new seals won't cause this amount of leaking.
@@opmike343 you would be surprised how much ceramic coat can affect seals.. this warning doesnt come from nowhere, it already happened to people.
Also; the seal being in a good condition/new is rather a downside in this regard. (less holes to plug for the coating)
The leak is in the video - left back door seal.
@@opmike343I think you're talking above with someone who knows way more about this than you...
It still blows my mind I waited for you to sell your mixing guide and here we are under totally new circumstances once again looking for advice. Ermz is the man. And I am glad to see you changed the channel name. You are always Ermz. Sneap forum for life lol. I do not need to tell you about how much success you have inspired, Im just here to thank you.
I only owned one German car in my life, brand new in 2002. That was my first and last German car since. No need to explain.
Had a leak in my 2002 530i. Same thing. I’ve owned 4 BMWs. When called BMW North America about another expensive repair from a garbage part, i told BMW that Toyota stood behind me to correct when i had an engine failure and subsequently his answer was, ‘Well, we’re not Toyota’. Apparently not. I’ll never buy another BMW.
BMW may say the ceramic coating has changed the specifications of the car. You’ll need to go back to that company and have it confirmed how it was applied - if any seals had been removed and refitted, if so BMW may claim this is a void of the warranty and the claim will need to go to the CC company as they may have refitted the seals incorrectly. Any car manufacturer would do the same unfortunately.
Yep, you have to really think about this stuff when doing it. Warrenties can be voided for pretty much anything that isn't stock.
I hope BMW media admins see this and put you in touch with some people can help. Sounds like a massive headache, sorry it hasn’t gone the way you’d hope
That’s unfortunate man. I’ve owned many BMWs over the years and have had little to no issues. It’s just dumb luck. To me what’s frustrating is the response of the dealer. Hope it gets sorted out.
There's a good chance the detailer damaged the seals on the frames windows. I've heard of it happening before and it's mentioned several times in this comment section. He needs to at least investigate it and find out the process his detailer used. I'm on my 4th BMW and have had zero issues outside of a bad O2 sensor on my last car which was a F82 M4C, the rest have been flawless.
@@Peanutdenver this.
I owned 3 bmw and no issue as such.
The tint or ceramic paint guy could cause the issue.
In UK , there are much more M2 was sold and more rainfall there. If it was a common issue then we would have seen in youtube a lot.
"little to no issues" with BMWs I call CAP
It's not just BMW, most, of not all, manufacture do the same. They palm you off telling you they can't find the issue. I feel your pain.
I bought brand new M4 a year ago and the number of issues with it was grounddshaking. It was never this severe as in your case but condensation in cockpit, foggy front/tail lights after every single rain or even humid weather, doors and floor cracking at speeds of 120 km/h, engine juming on RPM on idle left and right were just to name the few. I was super excited since I was saving for it for couple of years. Excitement to massive dissapointment was heartbreaking. Dealership told me that all of those issues are "normal" and didn't help with anything. Still considering battling them in court but those tend to last years and cost fortune. I feel for you man.
The condensation in humid weather is somewhat normal (depending on the degree of wetness).
As long as it disappears after a while of driving, everything is fine.
(There are small holes in the lights that are for air exchange and can cause this)
A "fix" for the foggy windshields:
Put an old sock with kitty litter under the passenger seat. Its not only a BMW issue, but a lot of brans issue..
In both cases its physics that screw with you; air inside stuff is humid and warm and when it gets cold, it cant hold all the wet anymore, which then condensates on the windows.
The cracking can be caused by the stiff suspension, since the body of the car works more. And especially the brakes will make their sounds, but those are normal sportscar sounds.
The amount of rpm jumping on idle would be interesting to see, so one can judge if its healthy or not.
Just did a little research, the fluctuating rpms could be caused by a dirty/faulty MAF sensor, or the sparky bois.
@@chimei-tekinaneko8318 Thanks a lot for the answer! I will definiately try those methods out. As much as I know that sounds and cracking is normal in sports cars since i experienced it with other cars but this is more like turbulent cracking if that makes sense. On straights.
I've owned 4 bmws and none had issues like that, but I also don't park at an angle. It is frustrating and very very sad from bmw to treat you like this. I live in Germany and had 2 ´major´problems with my bmws out of warranty: Time chain at 5yrs and 106t kms supposedly rattling (320d): bmw changed it for free under `goodwill´. This was my very first bmw. So after being so happy about customer care, I bought my second one (320i)... My third bmw (x5) had an issue with the adblue system and front suspension: changed under goodwill at 120tkms and 4yrs. So after all I have been driving these vehicles for over the 200t kms mark (320d 235t kms, still have it - no issues other than reg. maintenance, 320i (2002): 190 t kms sold, changed a radiator and a generator at 160t kms, other than minor rust issues starting at 15yrs no other problems), x5 now at 215t kms - still have it, changed a lambda sensor for 90Euros + labour. So I went and bought my 4th bmw, which has 1000 kms on the clock. Well see how it will be.
I hope you get your problem resolved quickly. I would also bet on ceramic coating issue around the seals.
You don't want to hear this, but there's a near 100% chance that the detailing work you had done caused those issues.
Ya mate, this is bullshit. Mud in the door sills? You drove this shit in a flood and trying to get BMW to pay for it.
EXACTLY! You don't get that amount of dirt from rain washing the dust into your car. Look at the size of the grit in that "dust"! His story is "patently absurd".
Now we‘re waiting for bmw to comment on this 😅
My 2003 recently bought Bmw (325i e46 touring) has been a great purchase, cant report anything like that.
I have a 2017 F30. It's flawless. Sounds like legal action is a good move.
any chance the detailer may have screwed with it somehow?
Ok, I had a similar issue with a 09 335. I haven’t read through all the comments so I don’t know if this was mentioned, and I’m also unsure if you mentioned the leak happened after the first rain the car experienced when you drove out of the dealership or later. The reason I’m asking this is because if the ceramic coating guys or any body removed any of the inner/outer plastic body or dash panels , rubber seals ,etc…and put them back wrong , the drainage for the car will screwed. I took my 335 to a mechanic for a stuck hood lock. He removed inner panels to trace the hood lock cable to the latch. He didn’t put the panels back correctly and I got puddles in the car from rain, car washes etc.
Does your M2 have a sunroof? If so, maybe one of the internal drainage pipes/tubes has either come off/loose, or is clogged with debris? Secondly, maybe the left-side window isn’t indexing properly (goes down ever so slightly when door’s opened, then back up into place once the door’s closed)?
What confuses me is if it wasnt submerged, now did the mud deposits get inside the car?
Yea, the mud in the door seal makes no sense to me on this one... it doesn't rain mud.
That certainly sucks. Do a timelapse of water flowing in as a follow up video. Also having a company put ceramic coating on might involve removing some parts? That’s a big issue towards pushing Blane to the dealer and then you should be targeting the company that did the coating. Can’t imagine BMW forgot to text waterproofing their cars in all cases so something went wrong in you car only. Do a follow up video for sure please.
I think the buyer protection around cars is bad in general. I bought a new Citroen a number of years ago. The Speedo would cut out and car would go into limp mode and the power steering would stiffen up. We had numerous sensors replaced and in the end sold it as soon as we could. If you buy almost any other product you can take it back to the store for a full refund if it fails. Oddly this seems not be the case with a car. This is in the UK, so it sounds like Australia is the same.
Friend of mine had exact same issue a while back with his old Seat Ibiza. Every time it rained water would pool in and settle in the footwells. Turned out the door seals were at fault, and were not keeping the rain water out as they should have. It's definitely a manufacturer issue
What if you installed a ppf coating which damaged the seals
my dad bought a 135i in 2009 that he custom ordered. It had several issues such as a severe misfire that caused it to backfire and other mechanical defects that had to be repaired (to my dads expense), however, we since those issues that weren't corrected in the factory were resolved the car has been amazing and otherwise very reliable (especially for an n54) and still drive it to this day.
In europe bmw’s have benchmark quality, I don’t understand how over seas its completely different, maybe where they are built makes a huge difference. What made you buy it if you were planing to emigrate?
We had a 2016 BMW 2-series with issues where water leaked into the coupe regularly. Hence in the Winter we experienced the high humidity inside the car created ice on the inside of the windows. We have had a few more beamers in the last five years. Regular issues with electronics and engine steering components made us reluctant.
No more BMW since the quality has fallen drasticly after the E60s.
Judging by the clip at 11:02 , there was a lot of organic debris in the door sills and rain channels. You stated that you parked the car outside for extended periods of time and this organic material was allowed to build up in the rain channels of the vehicle. This further blocked the rain channels and hence did not allow them to divert the incoming rain effectively, causing the growing amounts of water to eventually find a way into your car. If my guess is correct, this is not BMWs fault and rather your duty as the care taker of this vehicle to maintain it correctly.
I’ve had my VW polo for many years and it has never happened to me. If it’s really normal for this to happen in those cars then it seems like pretty crappy design to me.
@@elfferich1212 Manufacturers try to guide the incoming water down drains which avoid going over the paint or windows, hence why they tend to follow the door sill or sometimes go into the wheel arch. Rich Rebuilds (another youtuber) just uploaded a BMW M5 with the exact same issue. I would say its BMW and/or bad design but for something like this to happen, the car has to be left under a tree for months at a time without a clean.
I am quite sure it happened because of the ceramic coating as mentioned before several times. So no "solid rock case" at all...easy job for BMW's lawyer if you file a lawsuit. Sorry to say. My advice to all of you: let your BMWs stay in stock condition - stop to "optimize" them. They will thank you with reliability if you spend your money in regular maintenance.
HA HA HA HA HA! A ceramic coating caused that?!!! LOL! LOL! LOL!
i dont think u are being 100% honest in your video. just doesnt add up. like what you said bmw tested water hosing the car for an amount of time but proved no water seepage so why dont you record yourself doing the same water hosing test to prove your story? there is too much misinformation nowadays online so no offense on why we should take your words for facts. too many holes in your story. plus 2 years of ownership & mileage accumulated summarised merely with a 12 min video. besides why was the detailer not a suspect too?
If the car was sitting under a tree for weeks/months it could have clogged the sunroof drain causing this issue. I've seen it happen on a few bmws. The mud under the door could be a sign
I'm confused by the mud part. Rain water nor pine needles would produce that much mud and pebbles.
@@anonypersona3189 Yeah agreed, something is very off. Either his detail guy messed up or there's more to the story. I really think this video was just meant to put some pressure on BMW to give in.
@@SpartanArmy117 I spotted the same thing. It seems a flood or flash flood will cause the mud build up.
Yep, seeing the mud confused me as well. Perhaps it was parked under a tree for all those months, trees aren’t exactly clean! Either the debris from the tree blocked rain channels on his car causing the water and crud to find another path which lead into the car, the detailer screwed up, or BMW shipped the vehicle with a defect in the seals.
Clearly, there’s a lot of debris falling on your car. If the door sill was that dirty, that debris could easily clog any drains leading to the interior filling up. Wouldn’t be a problem if you cleaned the car and drains frequently.
bit late to the party but some ideas:
if you have a sunroof: it‘s always the sunroof. check drainage
check the door drainage holes if something is blocking it, doors are designed to let water sip through the inside of the door. (underside of the door)
clearly if there is mud in the doorwell (which is disgusting in itself) you should find a different parking spot. tree needles and rubbish are blocking drainages always. maybe the detailer put some wax on that blocked a drainage or something.
needless to say that this car should be take care of by an insurance company (i hope you got it fully covered) and let me tell you that you want it to be totaled best case. electronics will keep acting up intil you replace every module and the whole cable tree inside.
I’m gonna guess that the drain tubes for the sunroof either weren’t connected properly or became disconnected. Same thing happened to my e46 M3
Or, as others have mentioned, if your detailer removed seals and replaced them incorrectly…
yes, this is almost always the culprit. although i'm certain the M2 CS even has a moon roof? i thought they had lightweight carbon roof's.
I owned a used Mini for a week. Actually, I had bought it two months earlyer, but it needed all that time to get sorted. It quickly started to develop boost pressure issues; just in getting a diagnostic and from the various losses, it cost me 1500$ and I ended up returning the car to the dealer. Considering the car was worth about 8000$, that's a lot.
It drove wonderfully, it is the single car I most enjoyed driving; but I couldn't have fared with continuing issues, since it would have been my primary and only car at that point.
Hey mate, I had this happen on my F10 535i. It was coming through a firewall blank (really poor design) where the steering column is for a LH drive model. Since it was out of warranty I fixed it myself with a proper blank and sealant and have had no issues since. Push them in that direction and hit me up if you want more details/photos
Same as well. But this issue is from early 2010s. They must have fixed this a while ago!?
Edit: I think his problem might be a bit different. There was a case before where the front drain is semi-clogged. With more rain it might get pushed to the back
I had a similar problem with my 650 - The cause was blocked drainage channels in the windscreen/engine bays . I cleaned them of debris , and have never had the problem again . There is a video on you tube which explains this very issue - might pay to search for it .
sad that you had a bad experience. my fa///Mily has owned nothing but bmws for the last 5 years and none of them had no issues . my dad bought his dream 2015 m2 f87 manual. its his daily driver he drifts it on any surface. and hes been loving it
The guys over at Kies Motorsport had the same issue with an F30. The sunroof drain failed and water got inside the car. They made a RUclips video about the issue.
Well that certainly sucks, im glad that my bmw experience was very good
It's a lawyer they were begging you to involve, not your insurrances.
On "The Carmudgeon Show", was discussed this issue. E78 time 55min 50s. Your welcome.
I was thinking of buying an M2 here in the uk but not now thanks for bringing this to people's attention
I had a similar issue years ago with my 2011 535 xi. I have owned over 50 cars in my time and never had any of them take on water whenever it rained. I did not notice this for a couple of years as I always had it garaged. Then I bought a convertible for weekend fun and gave it the garage spot, putting my Bimmer outside. Since I had never known a car to not be water tight I did not notice the damage that was slowly accumulating. Once I discovered the soggy floor mats I did what I could to locate the point of entry. The dealership here talked me into a 4 door breakdown and reseal costing me a thousand dollars! I thought this should be a factory recall as there was nothing I did to lead to this fail. I can relate to your frustration, for what its worth.
Last person to potentially damage your car was the detailer. You left it there for a week. So many things can go wrong. Reason why I DIY all my detailing. I don’t trust anyone working on my car.
I totally agree, the comprehensive detailing of the paint work done may have compromised the rubber lining. I also don't understand how so much sand and dirt manage to get from the ground into the door entrance which seem to have only occurred on the left side and not to the right side door.
Agree, I did my coating too. Even the window tinting guy had to pull the door panels of my brand new car which hurt my feelings….
What are you parked under? Rain water would not leave all the dirt? Something not adding up?
If the parking is as steep as the mud in the door sill shows.... it might be leaking window seal that make water seeping into the door and the drain at the bottom is not at the rear part, it will then fill up inside the door and slip out between trim panel and door frame in the rear part of door, resulting in water in the rear passenger foot well.
Easy to test, park the car where this happen and just use a watering can or hose and spray on the window, you will hear if it is water inside the door.
i'd say it could be the guy who cleaneed it.
that's the most likely cause
BMW 545i was the first car in my life and I never ever bought a German car since then
waiiitt, so this is the same guy who did mixing and mastering tutorials on submission audio??
If you make an insurance claim and they spent $80,000 fixing it, they will sure as shit go sue BMW for the damages.
Only things I can think of is are they spraying the car when it's parked at the same angle?
Water will find it's way in through capillary attraction if they are just spraying it and checking right away for ingress then that may not be the case .it may take time for water to ingress.
Your best bet would be to lodge a complaint with BMW customer services.that way you have references to who you have spoken with.
With the dealer asking you to get an insurance assor involved seems like they really cannot be bothered.because it's too time consuming.
They probably want to just do services and such like.
Not good advert for BMW
The evidence is clear to me. Water is pooling in the door shut between the inner and outer seals but unable to drain because the vehicle is leaning back and or a drain route is blocked. The water has a significant level so therefore a head (pressure) and is then flowing under the inner seal as they are only pushed on not sealed then into the footwell. Sort this drainage and fully seal that inner seal and it's fixed. Then park it the other way and sell it.
You may not be reading all comments? I agree with the chap that says a tech needs to diagnose this. The consequences are fairly serious as well. There should never be any water ingress but we all know a little rain through an open window is no big deal. Key word: LITTLE. You should get a letter written by the detailers outlining exactly what they did. Since detail of exterior is only on outer surfaces it should not affect the interior but they could have injected debris with water into somewhere if there had been leaves or sticks or something organic already there. OBVIOUSLY the BMW dealer is the place that has schematics of the entire vehicle and knows exactly how water should be channeled to ground.
I’m gonna be honest, you might have been shafted by your detailing shop. Others have already pointed it out already but they possibly messed with the seals while detailing the car while they were doing the ceramic coating. This is probably why it’s taking long to find the source, or rather why it’s leaking in the first place. This one is probably on you.
I think you were fiddling with the car's key fob in your pocket and ended up opening and closing the windows when it was raining hard. 😜
I would ask the dealer to contact a BMW tech rep. and by all means keep after the dealer. In the US some states have a lemon law in that they get so many tries to fix the problem. I have only owned one BMW and one was enough. Best of luck to you.
With the amount of water coming in in a single rain storm, it should be easy to find - e.g. in a car wash. Did they remove any seals when they did the coating and not install it back correctly?
That is the only thing I can think of and I completely agree.
Probably this, I think he's about to be very unhappy with the guy he went out of his way to give a shoutout to lol.
@@SpartanArmy117 I think so too. In the BMW production line they actually test for water leaks - unlikely that such a significant leak would slip through.
BAD BMW they should take this car back ASAP I was going to buy the BMW screw them no way a reputable company would take care of the customer right away no questions asked what a horrible mess I would be felt scammed. BMW fix this problem immediately
Seals don't like ceramic detailing. Were the seals refitted correctly after the detailing was done? You got it detailed as soon as you collected the car, so it's gonna be really hard for you to pin this on BMW - non-essential work carried out by an independent retailer significantly altered the condition of the car. And what does BMW's warranty say about this?
Currently my f30 is on the chopping block of being totaled out by insurance company because a squirrel chewed my main harness
dry the car out then sit in it during a rain storm on your drive, you should be able to see where it's coming in as it's a pretty significant leak!
Damn. A car cover could have prevented all this. Your BMW should have given one as a gift
yeah, thats why we in germany usually chose other brands other then BMW.
It never leaked until you had some guy apply PPF to it.
You left it out in the rain for weeks without even looking at it.
Why did you buy it if you never drove it ?
None of this 'story' makes any sense.
I have owned 6 BMW's and all have been superb, reliable, and high quality cars, with zero issues.
I'm quite sure if this video blows up, BMW will "suddenly" become very very helpful!
What a coincidence. My bmw has just started doing the exact same thing. I thought I'd left a bottle or something in the rear which might have leaked, but after watching this I need to check it out.
I found the problem and fixed it. Sucked out about 15 liters of water from the floor! The problem was under the bonnet, where the steering rack would go through the firewall if it was left hand drive, there is a rubber grommet. It deteriorated and a blocked drain meant the water was filling up behind it and leaking through the passenger footwell and settling in the rear. Plenty of youtube vides for an f10. Not sure about an M2
This happened often with a VE Commodore I used to own. Water and dirt would get in the doors between the window and weatherstrip. The dirt would block the small drainage holes at the bottom of the doors. Eventually water would build up and get in the car. I could hear the water sloshing around in the doors after a heavy rainfall and then I'd have unblock the small drainage holes on the doors.
I had a m2 2020 for 2 years in Miami and never had a issue. I sold it cause i left. Only 10 thousand miles.
Wow what an absolute mess! I'd like to see them explain how you took it off-roading and bashing out in the dirt but only 1 side of the car gets all that dirt and debris.. Pretty sure if that was the case, the person would had attempted to clean BOTH sides.. Makes 0 sense but they'll try to find an excuse for it of course.
I owned a 2014 X1 a while back (first BMW) and had an issue with the coolant constantly leaking out.. A hose had gotten loose and I had to pay a premium to get it replaced.. A few months down the line, same issue again. Eventually I traded it in for a Toyota and it has been reliable since Day 1.
Was it assembled outside of Germany? The ones that were made in Africa usually have defects
Damn Ermz, i have the m135i and its been nothing but solid. For a M2... thats fooked up bro.
I’m so confused. Why did you buy a car, detail it and then park it for 4 months to sell it?! Also is it raining mud in Australia, where’s all that from?! Surely this has to be down to where you’ve parked it?! Does it have trees or gutters over it?! 30 degrees driveway is pretty extreme for months.
Dude that’s bad. Disappointing and upsetting I’m sure. However you shouldn’t have mentioned the detailing you had done. Now BMW will try to say that the detailing guy took the doors off and so try to say that is a cause, deflecting their responsibility.
Let's say the weather seals were faulty from the BMW factory allowing rain water to puddle in the car. How did all of the dirt and debris get there? All of the dirt and debris just does not make sense to me.
Likewise. It shocked me too, especially since we had two other cars parked adjacent to it without the same dirt build-up. As I live in a valley with lots of trees, all I can posit is that there were a lot of leaves/foliage run off that were blown around during the rainy season, and due to the drain design of the BMW, it led to rapid clogging/pooling in the door aperture. Bear in mind I had been locked down for around 4 months at the time, and couldn't drive the car anywhere, so I had no reason to even open the door until it was lifted.
Honestly I don’t buy it. Why not provide PROOF what failed with your time lapse… instead just being frustrated and complaining?
Dry it out park in same spot in rain. Wait until you see where it’s leaking from
I think your modification (paint protection) is at fault. In the process of installing the PPF the installer blocked one of the water drains - likely below the rear window.
The funny thing is BMW and other lux brands have no reason to design cars to be reliable. the vast majority lease them so these OEMs design them to be relatively solid for 2-3 years of run time then fall apart.
I think the junk/ mud in all the seems literally could be the problem. You sit here whining but can’t spend 5 minutes cleaning it and seeing if the issue goes away😂