@Hoovies Garage check the alarm when you lock the car with the FOB it may be draining your battery it tends to do that on british cars, it turns on the volumetric alarm
I must admit my experience with the brand range rover has been very different, as I have never had a vehicle as reliable as my 2008 Range Rover HSE. It has been nothing but a gem, never left me stranded. I absolutely love my car. Just rolled over 102K miles lives in Los Angeles, and it is my favorite of my cars. I also own a 1997 S 320 W140 MB, a 1995 E320 cab, and a 1995 MB E320 TE, and of all these, my RR is my favorite still today. So I disagree with everything Tyler says.Let's face it, when you own a car, any car, you must maintain it in a preventative way. I did that and I love my car still today.
The customized Defender is truly impressive. All it needs is a wealthy, adventure-minded buyer who will no doubt feel confident in using it to make that demanding, treacherous and unforgiving trek to the nearest Starbucks.
So sad, i have a 2008 supercharged that has 150k miles, bought it used with 20k miles, only issue i had was ac quit 8 years ago and cost $800 to fixed, been great truck
The secret with LR/RR is to buy new and never skimp on maintenance, and sell before warranty is up. The crucial turning point is the first and subsequent owners after the warranty runs out. As soon as it’s run on a limited budget and servicing starts to get missed and/or not done at a specialist, that’s the start of things going down hill. Buying this vehicle at any point in its history, doesn’t mean you can maintain it at the price level you bought it at, it always has to be maintained like a $100k vehicle, do that and it’ll run and run. Buy one of these from an loving original owner and cherish it also then you’ll do alright. Neglect it and it’ll bite your a***
I bought almost the same car a couple of months before the original video came out and was sour at the great price Hoovie got. 18 months later I’m glad I paid the premium, car has been fabulous.
I had a Subaru Forester with a semi-constant CEL. I would fix one thing and it would last a few weeks, then another thing would trigger it. I finally got rid of the bulb. Ignorance is bliss.
@@cafe405 I once bought a truck that had a piece of electrical tape over the SES light that I didn’t notice until the next day. The joys of buying questionable purchases at night 🥲. I guess that’s the lowest tech solution, haha.
Sorry to hear your misadventures, I have a 2008 full size with the good 4.4 jaguar engine, waiting for the original air suspension to leak, but so far other then brakes it has been great! Than again I am proactive , Keep it on a trickle charger and rebuilt the air compressor. It is the perfect cold weather car here in Canada
My suspension light error was the brake switch on the brake pedal. Nice cheap fix. £10. No issues with the actual brake lights but I read on a forum it could cause the warning light and transmission errors etc. changed it 3 years ago and it has never happened since.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH I’ve done just over nearly 40,000 miles since I’ve changed the switch and i haven’t had the error lights since. I know it’s ridiculous but it fixed my problem.
The smart-key feature on my German land-yacht is causing a fault in the transmission due to a short in a door handle. Nothing surprises me anymore with high end 2000s European cars
Its a bit late to offer advice - and I'm sorry to hear of your woes - but I would never ever take a JLR product to the dealers. Generally they are not interested in any car beyond its warranty and usually cannot carry out in depth diagnostics. A specialist diagnostic person would be much better. The forums are full of great advice - especially on your side of the pond - to the extent that between the USA and UK, most problems are solved. I cannot speak for the Land Rover side - but on the Jaguar side of things I have a 26 year old XK8 which feels (on the mechanical side) that it is hardly worn at all. The mechanical side of things (apart from silly ideas like plastic tensioners, shared with most German and American cars of that era) are pretty bullet proof, very logical and can often be taken to bits and repaired relatively easily. The secret (like most things in life) is to buy a kit of tools and do it yourself! Nonetheless, great content and well presented as always Sir!
The battery drain is 100% the Body Control Module. Impossible to fix though, on back order from England, current estimate on when they’re going to get made is 2-10 months
@@kens8903 right, so the deal is you pay Land Rover $1200 and then they put your VIN on a list and they’ll give you a call when they feel like making your part.
I had a p38 range rover that was coil swapped and I loved it honestly very reliable and drove it every day. It had 200k miles and never left me stranded
My dear Americans, please stop calling Range Rovers "rovers", Rover is a different English car brand which made entirely different cars. - Sincerely, an Englishman
I have a 2010 Range Rover HSE. Not the sport, the full-fat RR. Sure, I’ve had 2 problems (alternator and parking brake), various minor electrical gremlins, and it has some expensive maintenance, but I love it. If you go into it eyes wide open, then you won’t be upset. You’ll simply enjoy the best car ever.
My 94' discovery v8 manual runs great. I've some offroad modification but it's still ok on the road. Old LRs (before BMW era) are extremely reliable and can be fixed with basic tools and almost no experience. I took it to several jungle expeditions, offroad trails (mud and sand) and some road trips, has never failed me. I'm the fifth owner, bought it with a destroyed engine which took me a couple months to fix as well fitting a new clutch, steering pump and some electrical bits and mods. Probably dumped around 6-7k on it and it's just a brilliant car. I have another brand new Toyota pick up and a 2010 Range Rover but I rather daily drive my Disco any day.
I have a unicorn a 2003 Land Rover Disco 2 with 201000 miles still runs drove it two times though the 199 in Oregon to Medford over 150 miles twice in one month still runs good. Yes cats bad leaks a little oil and little things with the auto locks. Drive or off road a lot. Still love it. But showing its miles....
It sounds like you’ve gotten the FULL Land Rover experience! I’m truly sorry, Hoovie. I too love the way they look & sound, and love the capabilities, but seeing your struggles and hearing nearly everyone in car fandom say the same about LR “reliability” will keep me coming back to Toyota for all my hard core off-road needs.
Sorry for what? That was his motto. He bought beat down cars for views. It's not like he's loosing he's daily driver or anything. Most of his cars are rotting in garages anyways
I’d actually like to see the full suspension get replaced back to the LR air suspension. I’d rather watch a series on fixing this car than most of the recent stuff…
A good friend just purchased a 2010 Range Rover with 134,00 km on it. I literally cringed when he told me, but I couldn't bring myself to tell him how big a mistake he just made.
I think it was one of the old Mercedes forums you used to belong to.... someone asked about a Range Rover. The response was "if you think Mercedes maintenance is high, Range Rover is astounding". 8( Ask Samcrac also, they have snake bit him several times.
Yeah! Some people would look at that and feel reassured that large items have been taken care of (especially if they want the vehicle and are all excited), but in reality it's just a non stop money pit.
Same thing for me with a 928S. I took it in for a pre-purchase inspection, looked in the glove box, saw thousands in repairs ($650 for a starter - back in the 90s) and I noped-out. I eventually bought another one, decades later and had no issues with it, but it was an original owner car and was dirt cheap. Drove it for a year and sold it for a profit.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH This Range Rover was only 5 years old though! 😂 I can't understand why these Hugely Expensive vehicles can be sold with such bad reliability! They top the Unreliability Charts every year and to own one outside of warranty is financial suicide! That's why the residuals fall off a cliff!
I’ve had 7 land rovers…mostly Range Rover Vogues but only had 1 dog and it was the previous owners penny pinching that was the cause. I see so many videos like this and they piss me off because the cars are good but the owners try to maintain them on the cheap or the ‘Dealer’ hasn’t got a clue how to fix them. They’re beautiful and very very capable cars and they never let you down when you look after them.
What maintenance would be involved with the airbags or wiring issues ? It just happens. More about poor design, poor engineering and poor quality issues. RR issues have been happening for decades and are at the bottom of the Consumer Reports reliability list.
@@foxlake6750 airbags do wear out you know, wiring turns brittle it’s a massive problem on airliners that’s why they have D checks, at least be clued up if your gonna try act smart
Well we car lovers keep doing it. I made a video buying the cheapest 2003 Range Rover in the country and 4 months later my timing chain skipped and engine was done. The vehicle was so amazing and so beautiful and had low miles considering. But in the end it got me
Pete... Let me know if you are considering another Range Rover. I have an associate that has a 2010 for sale. It has over 100k, but he told me that he has addressed all of the known issues with this model in addition to issues that were specific to the vehicle that he has. Just thought I'd mention it...
$300k for the Landy conversion seams a lot , we have a company in the Uk called Overfinch that have been custom building Land Rovers since 1975 & were well known for putting American V8's in Range Rovers. As for you power drain , I had a P38 Range Rover that if left for a couple of days would flatten the battery , had new batteries, new ECU + relays but couldn't fix it. The dealer thought there must be a remote garage opener on the same wave length as my car in the area that keeps waking up the ECU , hence the power drain, have to have a trickle charger to get around the issue.
I knew a sales/marketing guy at the last company I worked for. He was always broke even though he made six figures. The type of guy that was 100% focused on image and what he portrayed, regardless of the truth. So of course, he drove a 10 year old Land Rover. It was likely not the only factor contributing to his never ending insolvency, but I doubt that it helped. That old Defender is cool though. If I was an SUV guy I can imagine that'd be the type of thing I'd consider.
Wow. I guess Im in the minority after 4 Range Rovers, 20 years and a couple hundred thousand miles......never left stranded. Normal consumables and a few coolant leaks due to plastic pipes getting old. Im about 80% done with a restoration on a 95 Range Rover Classic. I fixed everything with a shop manual and a dedicated EAS tool (pre OBDII). 166,000 miles on the engine and it purrs like a kitten.
20+ years ago I read of a Hollywood celebrity having to jog a mile or so to a Hollywood function because his Range Rover died in traffic. That was all I needed to know.
I love the old Land Rovers and Defenders, I had the opportunity many years back to go round the 'jungle track' in Solihull. Ended up towing some of the newer models out. The newer ones are for people with money to throw away. I even drove past one stuck in heavy snow in a vw passat
It be really nice if the people you wanted to get the suspension from the first time which Land Rover wouldn’t allow you to do would sponsor an install it in your truck to show what a better quality system it is and that they can get the light off I think that would really sell a lot of products for them.
Arnott doesn't need anymore business IMHO. I have replaced the stock air ride on both my Jaguar XJ (2006) and MBZ S550) 2009 with Arnott struts, and I'm extremely them. Only issue I have experienced to date was that one developed a slow-leak and would fail if the car sat for over 24 hours. Contacted Arnott about it and they told my that their struts carry a lifetime warranty. Just have to send them the core...and they send you a new part. Was easy and surprisingly fast...
If the car started leaning to one side, that means someone likely reconnected the air lines incorrectly at the valve blocks. If the left and right lines are swapped, the ECU will raise the wrong side and then give an error stating "extended mode" because the side it thought it was raising wasn't going up and so it thinks you are hung up. If instead left or right is incorrectly swapped with the feed line from the compressor, then the air bags will drop to bump stops over time as it tries to balance out your left and right sides over time. This happens because it is releasing air back to the feed line which is at a low pressure. A lot of DIY mechanics screw up reconnecting the air lines when they work on these cars.
Check the cluster of braided wires underneath the front door sills. Those corrode over time and cause MAJOR headaches. Trust me. If theres a clog in your roof drains, they fill up those sills, gotta love the design LOL @hooviesgarage
I have a Land Rover discovery LR3 with 243k miles and still going strong. At 240k I put a different transmission from a salvage yard that costed me 800 dollars. I’m about to replace all the air suspension shocks they cost about 150 usd on Amazon, I have already installed one and it rides just like the original.
Watching these sorts of videos is like watching someone who keeps going back to their toxic ex and acting surprised when it causes a lot of drama and costs them a lot of money. 🤣
I used to work at a used car dealership. We took a 2015 range rover as a trade in. The car had a perfect maintenance history of getting oil change every 3k miles. It had so many problems. The car warranty just ran out. And the owner was looking at over $5,000 of fixes. They didn't want to keep paying for the all the crazy problems it had. They traded it in for a 2021 Silverado. After we looked at the all the problems the car had we discover it was way worse. It needed a whole new engine. The car was later bought at an auction.
@@Teh1nternetPerv Well it depends. Firstly rank. Officers have connections and capability. PMCs pay well and you can charge a lot. Whilst serving - unlikely - however using your skills and knowledge after leaving the service is up to you. So, TLDR: Yes.
An industry award category should be created just for Land Rover for its ability to maintain, for decades, brand desirability and abysmal reliability at the same time.
If you actually want to get rid of it, I’ll take it off your hands. Timing chain isn’t a huge deal if you do your oil changes, the chains and tensioners only got torn up because the Land Rover recommended oil change interval for these cars was an absurd 16,000 miles
@@billb.2673 suspension control module gets confused when components aren’t behaving, but it was the wrong move for him to do a coil swap. Those never drive right. The only other thing it could be is on the compressor there’s an exhaust valve for when the car is lowering, or when the car is parked on uneven surface and engine off, it’ll let air out of individual corners to try to level the car. If the pressure can’t escape from a dirty and clogged exhaust valve, it’ll build pressure where it’s not supposed to and completely throw off the module.
On my 2010, the error never presents itself on startup with a leak...there's about a 10 minute window even with a severe leak before the car realizes there's a leak and presents the red warning message. On startup, it would indicate a problem with the compressor itself, or one of the many sensors that's triggered during the self check. My 2010 had an error on startup once, and it was an accelerometer/g force sensor on the right front corner
@@97336cf yeah it can be a crapshoot with these. Sometimes the piston ring in the compressor wears out and it leaks air out of the cylinder, which means the motor works too hard and overheats, and to stop it from ruining itself it just does a fault and shuts off.
I’m in the UK. Over here range rovers have a terrible reputation. Lovely to be in and drive (when they work) interior is a comfortable place to wait for recovery at least
These luxury cars with all the problems seem to be the 2008-2012 models (which have been the cheap deals over the past few years) and I wonder how the newer models will last. These were built during the Great Recession and between some more sophisticated technology along with some obvious cost cutting, maybe they are past these issues today. Time will tell.
They are certainly attractive, in their own fashion. But by the time they started to get popular in the USA I was already in the car business, and all the smart ladies and gentlemen I knew were telling everybody: " suspect quality, craptastic parts, comical lack of any reliable tech support by LR, idiotic prices....AVOID!" Then ,I ran a LR dealer service department for a brief time,and, if anything, they had been too kind.....I saw failures on these rolling dumpster fires that I literally never saw before, and even after retiring at 35+ years in the business never saw from other brands. Appalling! Nothing I would want my name on; a shameful product.
Check the short earth wire which is attached to the top of the strut under the bonnet (1 on each side), these were very prone to snapping and will give suspension faults - a very easy fix if it is the issue.
Draws can be such a pain, recently at my shop. A newer vehicle kept dying when it sat over night sometimes. 20 hours of diag, hotline contacted, field service engineer came down, no one could figure it out. Then on a -40 day another tech walked by it parked outside and the headlights were on. Told the tech working on it hey you left the headlights on. Turned out to be on -30 or colder days the headlights would come on and kill the battery
Everyone knows that every Range Rover is a nightmare, not telling us anything we don’t know. I’ve only seen one RUclipsr (Waldo) actually succeed with a used Rover 😂
You win and you lose. You don't gamble in Vegas. Your collection on your top racks in your garage says you have won. You have a nice collection of nice cars. Glad you have the car wizard to help you out with others
I love my 1995 4.6 HSE Range Rover. I've completely rebuilt pretty much the whole thing, including the engine, and it's not too bad reliability wise now 👍👍👍
My coworker learned this lesson the hard way. He bought a theft recovery 08 Land Rover Discovery thinking he got a deal at 6000$ but it needed a whole engine because it had a crack in the block. Chasis has 200k miles on it and the engine he replaced it with wasn't opened and cleaned with new seals and so now not even 10k miles later it needs head gaskets. He's almost 20 grand into a pile of garbage when he could have bought a nice one for the money. Hoovie is right.
Thanks for making this video. My wife regularly mentions wanting a Range Rover, and my answer is always that there's no way in hell I'd own one, and that our GX460 is just as capable to take us anywhere we want to go, but it also will get us home. I'll be sure to show her this!!
I agree, the Maybach is nothing but a rodeo drive influencer turned into a car. I will take a hammer over that every second of my life. Hoovie has good and horrible taste at cars at the same time good Sir
The interiors on them look great, but from what I’ve heard from friends who’ve been in GLS 600’s they aren’t of that high of quality at all, you’d expert more from them
I used to work around the corner from an independent Jag/Landrover workshop. Beautiful place, nice waiting room, immaculate workshop etc...NEVER short of work. Enough said.
Had the same w/my ‘11 RRSSC. Arrnot finally admitted after months, their struts had an issue with the resistor and they were all going back to engineering and basically recalled. I have emails to that effect.
Strutmasters is probably the worst available option for coilover conversions. Their coilovers aren't adjustable at all - not for damping, not for ride height, not for spring preload. Which means they basically lack every feature that most people expect to have in a coilover. Pretty much ANY coilover would be a far better choice. The only reason they're popular/well known is they were one of the first companies to offer kits to convert vehicles with expensive broken air or hydraulic suspensions over to simpler, more reliable suspensions.
I currently on a 2010 range Rover sport supercharged. I purchased it in 2016 with 18,000 miles. It currently has 178,000 miles. About four years ago when it went over 120,000. I started having all the issues. Wheel sensors block valves astronaut leaks. I found out early on that the dealerships don't even take the time to even learn how to fix these SUVs. The dealerships protocol usually is just replace a bunch of parts in The fault lights will go out. So either the person has enough money to pay the bill and thinks all those repairs were just necessary. Or another person could never afford to pay a large repair Bill and they have to get rid of the vehicle. Or someone like me that calls them out on their repair price and there is no way all those repairs are needed. So I went in for a suspension fault they gave me a bill of 4 grand. I ended up sitting down learning every component. Then fixing it myself for 40 bucks. Dealerships scare you off with the repair bills. Private shops don't work on them enough to warrant taken the time to understand these vehicles systems. But to tell you the truth when I first started working on my range Rover it seemed very complicated. But after taking the time to figure it out it's actually a really simple easy system to work on. If you want to send your range Rover my way. I would love to have. Mine's getting a little long in the tooth. Especially because I live in Massachusetts in the weather here. Great episode I did enjoy it. I do think the only way to own one of these. As you have to be extremely mechanically inclined and willing to do the work. Because if you are depending on others to fix these vehicles. Every two repairs you pay for would cost as much as the vehicle.😊
Presumably a simple "Viking Funeral" is not an option for the non-fixable Range Rover... but I do think it needs "a Hollywood Ending"... Jay Leno probably knows people in the movie industry who could use it in a climactic movie scene where the stunt team sends it through the air somehow, it tumbles, crashes multiple times and ultimately dies in an explosive ball of fire...
I'm surprised that companies like Land Rover and several others don't pay guys like Hoovie to keep their cars off the websites. Never seen one that was worth the money and trouble.
Sorry Hoovie. I actually think coil conversions are generally bad ideas, just buy a coil car or fix the air suspension. And the RR air suspension is quite good. Did you ever check the ride height sensors? There should be 1 per corner, and they can wear out
An LS conversion kit would be the best thing for an old Land Rover. A custom kit that could be adopted to all of the stock gauges HVAC lights Etc, so everything will all work. Something you forgot to mention, that Land Rover you showed at the end that's a high-end conversion, there's definitely ways to make something like that more reliable, on a much lower budget and still using an LS.
I owned a LR disco3 for several years and I will never again. I sold it last year for 2grand an I feel so happy now. Fortunately suspension is something I never repaired, the light was on for more than 8 years. So totally agree in that sense
There is an issue with the BMW era models of constant battery drain with no fault. This is fixed by clipping the antenna for the key fob so that you can no longer unlock it from a distance of more than a few feet. The problem is caused by radio noise constantly waking the security system and the rest of the electrical systems in preparation for you opening the doors etc. the system will stay awake for at least three minutes or longer if it detects another signal. This can drain a battery over night if the battery is weak and within three days for a good battery.
I can confirm Hoovies advice. I’d omit the “old” part and just not buy a Land Rover product at all, just to be safe. My 2012 has been sitting for over a year due to needing a timing chain/guide repair. $$$$. Worst automotive decision I’ve ever made.
My 2013 SC went through this: all lights on triggered by the ABS fault. 2 years, independents and various LR dealers, including calls to the headquarters, thousands of dollars and it never got fixed. Sold it to my mechanic for a daily driver and took a big loss.
I have a 2000 Range Rover and it’s been fine, as someone who can fix their own car. In the last year it’s only needed: one new alternator, one tensioner pulley, a brake accumulator, a windshield (but that was a crack so kinda any car could’ve), a rubber mount for an axle damper weight, a muffler, a window regulator, an ABS sensor, and a few bulbs. Reliable 😅
I think Hoovie massively underestimated the average person ability to ignore warning lights on a car! My Jeep has had an Airbag light on for 5 years and my Prius has had a TPMS light on for 2 years ($80 fix…but who cares)!
I agree on the new ones but I have a partially restored 110 diesel that has been my daily driver for a year with zero problems other than it leaks oil and rain drips inside like all of them. You should consider a nicely sorted $40 to $60k defender and have fun kitting it out.
Thanks Eddy's Chevrolet for letting me borrow the very very custom Defender! Check out their amazing inventory here: www.eddyschevrolet.com
Hoovie, I don't believe they have the Defender listed unless I missed something.
@Hoovies Garage check the alarm when you lock the car with the FOB it may be draining your battery it tends to do that on british cars, it turns on the volumetric alarm
ineos grenadier is a better older Land Rover that’s new. You need to do a video on one
You want a steroid filled Defender get a Bowler Wildcat version.
99% of all Rovers ever made are still on the road today!
(The other 1% actually made it back to the shop...)
I'm surprised they didn't just tell you to buy a new one every three years like they intended
2 yrs, max
@@LaurentiusTriarius 3 year warranty
Porsche dealer here told me they weren’t interested in our used cayenne because their customers expect better, newer versions 🤣
Bumper to bumper warranty cost more than the car
@@y2ksierra that’s a fact though. Their customers wont even look at an old Porsche unless its some kind of special edition.
I must admit my experience with the brand range rover has been very different, as I have never had a vehicle as reliable as my 2008 Range Rover HSE. It has been nothing but a gem, never left me stranded. I absolutely love my car. Just rolled over 102K miles lives in Los Angeles, and it is my favorite of my cars. I also own a 1997 S 320 W140 MB, a 1995 E320 cab, and a 1995 MB E320 TE, and of all these, my RR is my favorite still today. So I disagree with everything Tyler says.Let's face it, when you own a car, any car, you must maintain it in a preventative way. I did that and I love my car still today.
has the camshaft snapped in half yet?
@@devonaokizwhy? Did yours ?
@@devonaokizyou just want it to fail 🤪
The customized Defender is truly impressive. All it needs is a wealthy, adventure-minded buyer who will no doubt feel confident in using it to make that demanding, treacherous and unforgiving trek to the nearest Starbucks.
Top comment right here
or one that is blind and can't see those seats
The true Apex Predators of Traffic 1. infinity/Altima with drive out tags and body damage. 2. Soccer Moms in Land Rovers
It’s absolutely gopping, sorry.
as long as it’s not raining or snowing …
So sad, i have a 2008 supercharged that has 150k miles, bought it used with 20k miles, only issue i had was ac quit 8 years ago and cost $800 to fixed, been great truck
The 07-09 is the way to go. Way more reliable
The secret with LR/RR is to buy new and never skimp on maintenance, and sell before warranty is up.
The crucial turning point is the first and subsequent owners after the warranty runs out. As soon as it’s run on a limited budget and servicing starts to get missed and/or not done at a specialist, that’s the start of things going down hill.
Buying this vehicle at any point in its history, doesn’t mean you can maintain it at the price level you bought it at, it always has to be maintained like a $100k vehicle, do that and it’ll run and run.
Buy one of these from an loving original owner and cherish it also then you’ll do alright. Neglect it and it’ll bite your a***
Part it out, make a video on how little you can get.... race to the bottom. Keep the interior for your office as a trophy.
I would say keep the interior in his office as a reminder to never buy another one if anything 🤣
I agree, many good parts. Surely the sum of it''s parts are more valuable than it is as a running, driving vehicle.
I bought almost the same car a couple of months before the original video came out and was sour at the great price Hoovie got. 18 months later I’m glad I paid the premium, car has been fabulous.
worst then bmtrouble you?
Take us back to the good old days when we could just take out the bulb on a warning light.
I had a Subaru Forester with a semi-constant CEL. I would fix one thing and it would last a few weeks, then another thing would trigger it. I finally got rid of the bulb. Ignorance is bliss.
You can code them out of some clusters 🤣
@@y2ksierra I mean you possibly can, I definitely can't.
@@cafe405 I once bought a truck that had a piece of electrical tape over the SES light that I didn’t notice until the next day. The joys of buying questionable purchases at night 🥲. I guess that’s the lowest tech solution, haha.
@@y2ksierrathere's something quite special about the laziness and audacity of selling a car with that level of cowboy mechanics.
Sorry to hear your misadventures, I have a 2008 full size with the good 4.4 jaguar engine, waiting for the original air suspension to leak, but so far other then brakes it has been great! Than again I am proactive , Keep it on a trickle charger and rebuilt the air compressor. It is the perfect cold weather car here in Canada
My suspension light error was the brake switch on the brake pedal. Nice cheap fix. £10. No issues with the actual brake lights but I read on a forum it could cause the warning light and transmission errors etc. changed it 3 years ago and it has never happened since.
This is wacky enough to seem plausible.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH I’ve done just over nearly 40,000 miles since I’ve changed the switch and i haven’t had the error lights since. I know it’s ridiculous but it fixed my problem.
Maybe they're not all that bad. It's just very weird causes to each issue
The smart-key feature on my German land-yacht is causing a fault in the transmission due to a short in a door handle. Nothing surprises me anymore with high end 2000s European cars
Me too! Had a 2007 LR3--same issue. That was an absolute beast of a truck that had VERY few problems
Keep making these videos because I need regular reminders every time I think owning an old rover can’t be too bad.
He had it for 2 years
He had it for 2 years
Back to back days with Hoovie, and Tavarish uploads!!!
Tavarish got off his rear end and put out a video after all these months? Surprising. I want to see if he got his cee-ment pond fixed.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH he bought a mclaren p1 flood damaged in his last video.
Its a bit late to offer advice - and I'm sorry to hear of your woes - but I would never ever take a JLR product to the dealers. Generally they are not interested in any car beyond its warranty and usually cannot carry out in depth diagnostics. A specialist diagnostic person would be much better. The forums are full of great advice - especially on your side of the pond - to the extent that between the USA and UK, most problems are solved. I cannot speak for the Land Rover side - but on the Jaguar side of things I have a 26 year old XK8 which feels (on the mechanical side) that it is hardly worn at all. The mechanical side of things (apart from silly ideas like plastic tensioners, shared with most German and American cars of that era) are pretty bullet proof, very logical and can often be taken to bits and repaired relatively easily. The secret (like most things in life) is to buy a kit of tools and do it yourself! Nonetheless, great content and well presented as always Sir!
The battery drain is 100% the Body Control Module. Impossible to fix though, on back order from England, current estimate on when they’re going to get made is 2-10 months
Definitely
Lol wtf are you serious? That's so stupid.
2-10 months?? 😂oui
@@kens8903 right, so the deal is you pay Land Rover $1200 and then they put your VIN on a list and they’ll give you a call when they feel like making your part.
And people wonder why I drive a ford
I had a p38 range rover that was coil swapped and I loved it honestly very reliable and drove it every day. It had 200k miles and never left me stranded
Same here! Had to take the parking solenoid out and it leaks oil like no other but I love it!
My dear Americans, please stop calling Range Rovers "rovers", Rover is a different English car brand which made entirely different cars.
- Sincerely, an Englishman
But they are all POS
I have a 2010 Range Rover HSE. Not the sport, the full-fat RR. Sure, I’ve had 2 problems (alternator and parking brake), various minor electrical gremlins, and it has some expensive maintenance, but I love it. If you go into it eyes wide open, then you won’t be upset. You’ll simply enjoy the best car ever.
My 94' discovery v8 manual runs great. I've some offroad modification but it's still ok on the road. Old LRs (before BMW era) are extremely reliable and can be fixed with basic tools and almost no experience. I took it to several jungle expeditions, offroad trails (mud and sand) and some road trips, has never failed me. I'm the fifth owner, bought it with a destroyed engine which took me a couple months to fix as well fitting a new clutch, steering pump and some electrical bits and mods. Probably dumped around 6-7k on it and it's just a brilliant car. I have another brand new Toyota pick up and a 2010 Range Rover but I rather daily drive my Disco any day.
Range Rovers until Gen 3 2006 with M57 BMW diesel they were reliable, but not with the Jaguar and Ford engines.
I have a unicorn a 2003 Land Rover Disco 2 with 201000 miles still runs drove it two times though the 199 in Oregon to Medford over 150 miles twice in one month still runs good. Yes cats bad leaks a little oil and little things with the auto locks. Drive or off road a lot. Still love it. But showing its miles....
You should've kept the 300,000 mile Lexus LX. At least you'd always have one car that works
He would have no content if he had Japanese cars on here.
Remember, this is supposed to be the _dumbest_ automotive channel on RUclips. And keeping the Lexus wouldn't have been dumb.
Kind of missing the point that he has to keep buying shitty cars and breaking them to have any videos to make
But then he'd have to start taking depression pills...
Sounds like Land Rover would make for an interesting EV conversion project given body and interior looks so clean.
It sounds like you’ve gotten the FULL Land Rover experience! I’m truly sorry, Hoovie. I too love the way they look & sound, and love the capabilities, but seeing your struggles and hearing nearly everyone in car fandom say the same about LR “reliability” will keep me coming back to Toyota for all my hard core off-road needs.
Except we don't get the Land CRUISER anymore
Sorry for what? That was his motto. He bought beat down cars for views. It's not like he's loosing he's daily driver or anything. Most of his cars are rotting in garages anyways
I’d actually like to see the full suspension get replaced back to the LR air suspension. I’d rather watch a series on fixing this car than most of the recent stuff…
A good friend just purchased a 2010 Range Rover with 134,00 km on it. I literally cringed when he told me, but I couldn't bring myself to tell him how big a mistake he just made.
That person will bankrupt themselves !
I think it was one of the old Mercedes forums you used to belong to.... someone asked about a Range Rover. The response was "if you think Mercedes maintenance is high, Range Rover is astounding". 8( Ask Samcrac also, they have snake bit him several times.
Check the mini fridge hoovie! I actually had the same exact car with the same exact issue. The fridge was causing the battery drain.
I am honestly amazed that Land Rover continues to sell any vehicles at all, given their now well documented reputation for 'death by 1000 repairs'.
people buy them for the name not the reliability
I nearly bought a used Range Rover once until I looked at the Service History and saw the frequent large bills! I Noped right outta there! 😂
Yeah! Some people would look at that and feel reassured that large items have been taken care of (especially if they want the vehicle and are all excited), but in reality it's just a non stop money pit.
@@volvo09 It's the Car equivalent of a Boat! (Break Out Another Thousand! 😂)
Same thing for me with a 928S. I took it in for a pre-purchase inspection, looked in the glove box, saw thousands in repairs ($650 for a starter - back in the 90s) and I noped-out. I eventually bought another one, decades later and had no issues with it, but it was an original owner car and was dirt cheap. Drove it for a year and sold it for a profit.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH This Range Rover was only 5 years old though! 😂 I can't understand why these Hugely Expensive vehicles can be sold with such bad reliability! They top the Unreliability Charts every year and to own one outside of warranty is financial suicide! That's why the residuals fall off a cliff!
I’ve had 7 land rovers…mostly Range Rover Vogues but only had 1 dog and it was the previous owners penny pinching that was the cause.
I see so many videos like this and they piss me off because the cars are good but the owners try to maintain them on the cheap or the ‘Dealer’ hasn’t got a clue how to fix them.
They’re beautiful and very very capable cars and they never let you down when you look after them.
What maintenance would be involved with the airbags or wiring issues ? It just happens. More about poor design, poor engineering and poor quality issues. RR issues have been happening for decades and are at the bottom of the Consumer Reports reliability list.
@@foxlake6750 a £10 brake light switch…
@@foxlake6750 airbags do wear out you know, wiring turns brittle it’s a massive problem on airliners that’s why they have D checks, at least be clued up if your gonna try act smart
Ranger Rovers in the US, payback for 1776
I like how much Tyler seems to truly love and enjoy these cars. I’ve been hoping to get another video or two of his blue Corvette.
Well we car lovers keep doing it. I made a video buying the cheapest 2003 Range Rover in the country and 4 months later my timing chain skipped and engine was done. The vehicle was so amazing and so beautiful and had low miles considering. But in the end it got me
Pete... Let me know if you are considering another Range Rover. I have an associate that has a 2010 for sale. It has over 100k, but he told me that he has addressed all of the known issues with this model in addition to issues that were specific to the vehicle that he has. Just thought I'd mention it...
$300k for the Landy conversion seams a lot , we have a company in the Uk called Overfinch that have been custom building Land Rovers since 1975 & were well known for putting American V8's in Range Rovers.
As for you power drain , I had a P38 Range Rover that if left for a couple of days would flatten the battery , had new batteries, new ECU + relays but couldn't fix it. The dealer thought there must be a remote garage opener on the same wave length as my car in the area that keeps waking up the ECU , hence the power drain, have to have a trickle charger to get around the issue.
I knew a sales/marketing guy at the last company I worked for. He was always broke even though he made six figures. The type of guy that was 100% focused on image and what he portrayed, regardless of the truth. So of course, he drove a 10 year old Land Rover. It was likely not the only factor contributing to his never ending insolvency, but I doubt that it helped. That old Defender is cool though. If I was an SUV guy I can imagine that'd be the type of thing I'd consider.
Wow. I guess Im in the minority after 4 Range Rovers, 20 years and a couple hundred thousand miles......never left stranded. Normal consumables and a few coolant leaks due to plastic pipes getting old. Im about 80% done with a restoration on a 95 Range Rover Classic. I fixed everything with a shop manual and a dedicated EAS tool (pre OBDII). 166,000 miles on the engine and it purrs like a kitten.
You should host a demolition derby with it! Love your videos!
That would be a good use for it.
It would break down before it hits anything.
Better off launching it off a cliff in Alaska
20+ years ago I read of a Hollywood celebrity having to jog a mile or so to a Hollywood function because his Range Rover died in traffic. That was all I needed to know.
John Candy ???
More recently, Justin Beiber’s Range Rover died in Compton and he had to sing/dance for the locals😂
Cause we all kniw how well celebrities mantain their cars
Poor locals....@@user-vn7hp4nq6e
I love the old Land Rovers and Defenders, I had the opportunity many years back to go round the 'jungle track' in Solihull. Ended up towing some of the newer models out. The newer ones are for people with money to throw away. I even drove past one stuck in heavy snow in a vw passat
It be really nice if the people you wanted to get the suspension from the first time which Land Rover wouldn’t allow you to do would sponsor an install it in your truck to show what a better quality system it is and that they can get the light off I think that would really sell a lot of products for them.
Arnott doesn't need anymore business IMHO. I have replaced the stock air ride on both my Jaguar XJ (2006) and MBZ S550) 2009 with Arnott struts, and I'm extremely them. Only issue I have experienced to date was that one developed a slow-leak and would fail if the car sat for over 24 hours. Contacted Arnott about it and they told my that their struts carry a lifetime warranty. Just have to send them the core...and they send you a new part. Was easy and surprisingly fast...
If the car started leaning to one side, that means someone likely reconnected the air lines incorrectly at the valve blocks. If the left and right lines are swapped, the ECU will raise the wrong side and then give an error stating "extended mode" because the side it thought it was raising wasn't going up and so it thinks you are hung up.
If instead left or right is incorrectly swapped with the feed line from the compressor, then the air bags will drop to bump stops over time as it tries to balance out your left and right sides over time. This happens because it is releasing air back to the feed line which is at a low pressure.
A lot of DIY mechanics screw up reconnecting the air lines when they work on these cars.
Basically you have to buy new ones and get rid of it as soon as the warranty runs out
Trade, trade, trade. Meanwhile, you take a massive depreciation hit every 3-5 years, enough to pay for a new Mazda CX-5 Signature.
Check the cluster of braided wires underneath the front door sills. Those corrode over time and cause MAJOR headaches. Trust me. If theres a clog in your roof drains, they fill up those sills, gotta love the design LOL
@hooviesgarage
If you're going to drive under 5k per year these 2010-era Range Rover's are really great machines to have in your garage! If not on the road...
For applying a coat of oil on the garage floor?
@@jaapaap123 water proofing, stops mold and algae from developing on garage floor
Did you mean side of the road? 😂😂😂
The discovery lll is the same chassis and underneath bits, there are loads on the road here,
The diesel have no issues.
Range Rovers = the ultimate money pit
You've obviously never heard of boats or horses.
@@Epotheros we're talkin motor vehicles here son
@@samholdsworth420 You should know you can get a V8 motor to power a boat. Perhaps you should have said an automobile.
I have a Land Rover discovery LR3 with 243k miles and still going strong. At 240k I put a different transmission from a salvage yard that costed me 800 dollars. I’m about to replace all the air suspension shocks they cost about 150 usd on Amazon, I have already installed one and it rides just like the original.
What year is your LR3?
Watching these sorts of videos is like watching someone who keeps going back to their toxic ex and acting surprised when it causes a lot of drama and costs them a lot of money. 🤣
I used to work at a used car dealership. We took a 2015 range rover as a trade in. The car had a perfect maintenance history of getting oil change every 3k miles. It had so many problems. The car warranty just ran out. And the owner was looking at over $5,000 of fixes. They didn't want to keep paying for the all the crazy problems it had. They traded it in for a 2021 Silverado. After we looked at the all the problems the car had we discover it was way worse. It needed a whole new engine. The car was later bought at an auction.
The embossed logo in the Land Rovers headrest is the Insignia for 22 SAS (Special Air Service).
Would someone in the SAS even be able to afford one of these?
@@Teh1nternetPerv Well it depends. Firstly rank. Officers have connections and capability. PMCs pay well and you can charge a lot. Whilst serving - unlikely - however using your skills and knowledge after leaving the service is up to you. So, TLDR: Yes.
An industry award category should be created just for Land Rover for its ability to maintain, for decades, brand desirability and abysmal reliability at the same time.
If you actually want to get rid of it, I’ll take it off your hands. Timing chain isn’t a huge deal if you do your oil changes, the chains and tensioners only got torn up because the Land Rover recommended oil change interval for these cars was an absurd 16,000 miles
16k between oil changes?!? 😂😂😂😂 that’ll definitely keep you buying new ones every three years 😂😂😂
"Unfortunately I can't light it on fire yet". Donate it to the fire department.
Suspension error is likely a tiny hole leak in one of the air springs that only gets exposed in certain occasions when you’re driving it
Then why is it on at start-up?
@@billb.2673 suspension control module gets confused when components aren’t behaving, but it was the wrong move for him to do a coil swap. Those never drive right. The only other thing it could be is on the compressor there’s an exhaust valve for when the car is lowering, or when the car is parked on uneven surface and engine off, it’ll let air out of individual corners to try to level the car. If the pressure can’t escape from a dirty and clogged exhaust valve, it’ll build pressure where it’s not supposed to and completely throw off the module.
On my 2010, the error never presents itself on startup with a leak...there's about a 10 minute window even with a severe leak before the car realizes there's a leak and presents the red warning message. On startup, it would indicate a problem with the compressor itself, or one of the many sensors that's triggered during the self check. My 2010 had an error on startup once, and it was an accelerometer/g force sensor on the right front corner
@@97336cf yeah it can be a crapshoot with these. Sometimes the piston ring in the compressor wears out and it leaks air out of the cylinder, which means the motor works too hard and overheats, and to stop it from ruining itself it just does a fault and shuts off.
@@craigsanislo7458 Bingo. All of these things can be see with Testbook at Land Rover.
I’m in the UK. Over here range rovers have a terrible reputation. Lovely to be in and drive (when they work) interior is a comfortable place to wait for recovery at least
Forgot he still owned this.
These luxury cars with all the problems seem to be the 2008-2012 models (which have been the cheap deals over the past few years) and I wonder how the newer models will last. These were built during the Great Recession and between some more sophisticated technology along with some obvious cost cutting, maybe they are past these issues today. Time will tell.
Range Rovers are hard to resist. Even with all the documented issues and problems
I could resist…easily
@David And Nicole Ellefson me too. I have never understood the attraction to sink all of your money into repairs.....
They are certainly attractive, in their own fashion. But by the time they started to get popular in the USA I was already in the car business, and all the smart ladies and gentlemen I knew were telling everybody: " suspect quality, craptastic parts, comical lack of any reliable tech support by LR, idiotic prices....AVOID!"
Then ,I ran a LR dealer service department for a brief time,and, if anything, they had been too kind.....I saw failures on these rolling dumpster fires that I literally never saw before, and even after retiring at 35+ years in the business never saw from other brands.
Appalling! Nothing I would want my name on; a shameful product.
4Runner>Range Rover/Land Rover
Hard to resist to laugh at?
Check the short earth wire which is attached to the top of the strut under the bonnet (1 on each side), these were very prone to snapping and will give suspension faults - a very easy fix if it is the issue.
I love the looks of the Land Rover. I wish they would get together with Toyota and build one with the reliability of Toyota. I’d buy one.
Draws can be such a pain, recently at my shop. A newer vehicle kept dying when it sat over night sometimes. 20 hours of diag, hotline contacted, field service engineer came down, no one could figure it out. Then on a -40 day another tech walked by it parked outside and the headlights were on. Told the tech working on it hey you left the headlights on. Turned out to be on -30 or colder days the headlights would come on and kill the battery
Everyone knows that every Range Rover is a nightmare, not telling us anything we don’t know. I’ve only seen one RUclipsr (Waldo) actually succeed with a used Rover 😂
You win and you lose. You don't gamble in Vegas. Your collection on your top racks in your garage says you have won. You have a nice collection of nice cars. Glad you have the car wizard to help you out with others
Don't they say that one symptom of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, but expecting different results? Welcome to Hoovie's Garage....
Asylum
Welcome to the junkle!
We've got fun and games!
I've got a piece of shit range rover
and I'm calling it names!
I love my 1995 4.6 HSE Range Rover. I've completely rebuilt pretty much the whole thing, including the engine, and it's not too bad reliability wise now 👍👍👍
My coworker learned this lesson the hard way. He bought a theft recovery 08 Land Rover Discovery thinking he got a deal at 6000$ but it needed a whole engine because it had a crack in the block. Chasis has 200k miles on it and the engine he replaced it with wasn't opened and cleaned with new seals and so now not even 10k miles later it needs head gaskets. He's almost 20 grand into a pile of garbage when he could have bought a nice one for the money. Hoovie is right.
Air-to-coil suspension. Did that on my LR3 and its been great ever since. No more stupid suspension faults 🥂
Even the gopro hates the bumpy ride 🤣
Since his divorce, Hoovie doesn't look too happy
Thanks for making this video. My wife regularly mentions wanting a Range Rover, and my answer is always that there's no way in hell I'd own one, and that our GX460 is just as capable to take us anywhere we want to go, but it also will get us home. I'll be sure to show her this!!
I’ve had five range rovers - all used and they have been relatively sound and reliable with an expert servicing them every 6ths
Way better than that Maybach suv monstrosity
I agree, the Maybach is nothing but a rodeo drive influencer turned into a car. I will take a hammer over that every second of my life. Hoovie has good and horrible taste at cars at the same time good Sir
The interiors on them look great, but from what I’ve heard from friends who’ve been in GLS 600’s they aren’t of that high of quality at all, you’d expert more from them
@@Offensivebeast yeah but you have to sneak up on it to get inside before the nausea sets in
I used to work around the corner from an independent Jag/Landrover workshop. Beautiful place, nice waiting room, immaculate workshop etc...NEVER short of work. Enough said.
Had the same w/my ‘11 RRSSC. Arrnot finally admitted after months, their struts had an issue with the resistor and they were all going back to engineering and basically recalled. I have emails to that effect.
Loool, ECD ... Sounds like some dysfunction ... You had me spit out my coffee laughing so hard 😂😂😂
You can fix anything if you throw enough money at it
Strutmasters is probably the worst available option for coilover conversions. Their coilovers aren't adjustable at all - not for damping, not for ride height, not for spring preload. Which means they basically lack every feature that most people expect to have in a coilover. Pretty much ANY coilover would be a far better choice.
The only reason they're popular/well known is they were one of the first companies to offer kits to convert vehicles with expensive broken air or hydraulic suspensions over to simpler, more reliable suspensions.
The only thing more reliable than a Toyota is their fanboys in the comments of a Landrover video.
I currently on a 2010 range Rover sport supercharged. I purchased it in 2016 with 18,000 miles. It currently has 178,000 miles. About four years ago when it went over 120,000. I started having all the issues. Wheel sensors block valves astronaut leaks. I found out early on that the dealerships don't even take the time to even learn how to fix these SUVs. The dealerships protocol usually is just replace a bunch of parts in The fault lights will go out. So either the person has enough money to pay the bill and thinks all those repairs were just necessary. Or another person could never afford to pay a large repair Bill and they have to get rid of the vehicle. Or someone like me that calls them out on their repair price and there is no way all those repairs are needed. So I went in for a suspension fault they gave me a bill of 4 grand. I ended up sitting down learning every component. Then fixing it myself for 40 bucks. Dealerships scare you off with the repair bills. Private shops don't work on them enough to warrant taken the time to understand these vehicles systems. But to tell you the truth when I first started working on my range Rover it seemed very complicated. But after taking the time to figure it out it's actually a really simple easy system to work on. If you want to send your range Rover my way. I would love to have. Mine's getting a little long in the tooth. Especially because I live in Massachusetts in the weather here. Great episode I did enjoy it. I do think the only way to own one of these. As you have to be extremely mechanically inclined and willing to do the work. Because if you are depending on others to fix these vehicles. Every two repairs you pay for would cost as much as the vehicle.😊
If i had this land Rover and i had this issue with it id drive to South main Auto and have Eric O fix it. Best diagnostic guy i have seen.
There were so cool for a while , those 2005-2014 models are the ones people wanted really badly . I love their looks .
Land Rover has not ever been "cool" except for the early Defenders.
@@machtschnell7452 Range Rover Sport SVR reading this 🤨
@@machtschnell7452 said nobody ever
Presumably a simple "Viking Funeral" is not an option for the non-fixable Range Rover... but I do think it needs "a Hollywood Ending"...
Jay Leno probably knows people in the movie industry who could use it in a climactic movie scene where the stunt team sends it through the air somehow, it tumbles, crashes multiple times and ultimately dies in an explosive ball of fire...
I’m sad you took the air suspension off. Especially because Arnott warranties the shocks.
This is absolutely the most sound advice Hoovie has ever given. Stay away from old Rovers!!
One of my life goals is to make a swap like that to a 110. People say the gearbox and transfer is OK but the engine has to go
I'm surprised that companies like Land Rover and several others don't pay guys like Hoovie to keep their cars off the websites. Never seen one that was worth the money and trouble.
Sorry Hoovie. I actually think coil conversions are generally bad ideas, just buy a coil car or fix the air suspension. And the RR air suspension is quite good. Did you ever check the ride height sensors? There should be 1 per corner, and they can wear out
I'll take it!
An LS conversion kit would be the best thing for an old Land Rover.
A custom kit that could be adopted to all of the stock gauges HVAC lights Etc, so everything will all work.
Something you forgot to mention, that Land Rover you showed at the end that's a high-end conversion, there's definitely ways to make something like that more reliable, on a much lower budget and still using an LS.
Chevy kits are around $5k for mounts, bell housing adapter etc. But they are mostly for older Range Rovers and Defenders.
I owned a LR disco3 for several years and I will never again. I sold it last year for 2grand an I feel so happy now. Fortunately suspension is something I never repaired, the light was on for more than 8 years. So totally agree in that sense
There is an issue with the BMW era models of constant battery drain with no fault.
This is fixed by clipping the antenna for the key fob so that you can no longer unlock it from a distance of more than a few feet.
The problem is caused by radio noise constantly waking the security system and the rest of the electrical systems in preparation for you opening the doors etc. the system will stay awake for at least three minutes or longer if it detects another signal. This can drain a battery over night if the battery is weak and within three days for a good battery.
I can confirm Hoovies advice. I’d omit the “old” part and just not buy a Land Rover product at all, just to be safe. My 2012 has been sitting for over a year due to needing a timing chain/guide repair. $$$$. Worst automotive decision I’ve ever made.
I am a service consultant for a Land Rover dealership. We have one of the best techs in the nation. I would love to take that one on.
Converted air suspension to coils...best thing I ever did to the 2006 Sport!
My 2013 SC went through this: all lights on triggered by the ABS fault. 2 years, independents and various LR dealers, including calls to the headquarters, thousands of dollars and it never got fixed. Sold it to my mechanic for a daily driver and took a big loss.
$50,000 was for the upgrades and $250,000 was to stop rain water leaking in on the drives left foot.
I have a 2000 Range Rover and it’s been fine, as someone who can fix their own car. In the last year it’s only needed: one new alternator, one tensioner pulley, a brake accumulator, a windshield (but that was a crack so kinda any car could’ve), a rubber mount for an axle damper weight, a muffler, a window regulator, an ABS sensor, and a few bulbs. Reliable 😅
I think Hoovie massively underestimated the average person ability to ignore warning lights on a car! My Jeep has had an Airbag light on for 5 years and my Prius has had a TPMS light on for 2 years ($80 fix…but who cares)!
I agree on the new ones but I have a partially restored 110 diesel that has been my daily driver for a year with zero problems other than it leaks oil and rain drips inside like all of them. You should consider a nicely sorted $40 to $60k defender and have fun kitting it out.
Looking at a 2008 Range Rover HSE to flip but thank you for the advice and taking one for the team.