I find it amusing that the rule to not pick fights over boundaries includes saying that "all cats" follow the warrior code. There's been plenty of cats who *don't*, so now the characters are just meant to believe that they do bc the code told them so?
@@thenagito right, but the cats within the clan are the only ones bound to the warrior code. 'cats that follow the warrior code' inherently implies cats only linked to the clans.
I felt like warrior cats becoming more pacifistic is something that has been going on for a long time. It feels like a lot of 'Fighting bad!' and such. And it feels like when a fight starts, it feels like there have to be a 'bad guy' instead of both just trying their best for their clan.
I agree 100% the first arc did a really good job (comparatively) at making fights matter. Not only did they matter they had risk, depth, and flaws. No one knew if the plan with the dogs would go well, or if graystripe would fight tc but that helped the battles. No it’s so dry, a boring and “Oh there’s the bad guy get him!” I think what happened is the authors over the years are seeing this now massive fandom and trying not to promote violence to kids. But at the end of the day them toning it down much later doesn’t stop new readers from reading, oh I don’t know, the first arc.
@@sarcasticsquiggles1512 I loved the first Arc the most, I love reading it. Whenever I read it I feel like wanting more Warrior Cats books, but then I continue the other arcs and I slowly lose interest. I stopped reading the series after Firestar died for the last time. I still like checking in with the fandom though, because I'm still interested and I know later arcs have potentially good things in them, but not enough for me to feel like "I have to buy more books"
@@sarcasticsquiggles1512 Probably the whole black and white thinking some of the fandom has. Mostly the kid fans, and it's leaking itself into the actual books. I think they did a goodish job w/ morally gray characters with Snowtuft and some of the other Dark Forest cats. They weren't evil, they weren't heros, they're morally gray. Wish we had that in a protagonist, cough cough Nightheart
@@SatanicPizza that’s probably true. I think I miss a lot of the younger fans, out of sight out of mind. Morally grey characters and characters with differing interests that conflict are hard to find. Although to be fair I stopped reading after the apprentice’s quest so maybe there were some after that
@@randomnoob101flyhightweek "oh yeah you're fine, you probably just loved that flower too much. after all, we don't believe in redemption arcs, so the fact that you're saying sorry means you must've been good all along!"
Hey why don’t you just have two medicine cats so if one dies because they had kids or they just die and what is up with the med cat can’t have kids rule like what happened
The 2nd rule is also weird considering the clans do not have hugely different traditions to one another. They do exactly the same things and believe in the exact same things as one another - with maybe one or two aesthetic differences with their territories, it is a bit of a redundant rule when ThunderClan and ShadowClan *both* act the same as one another, for example.
I will never stop advocating that the clans should set cats into clans based on whatever power their medicine cats/leaders have. ( ie. Firestar belongs to Thunderclan because he has the fire of lighting or something like that. MothWing should be in Windclan because she has the wings of a Moth and can fly and glide with the wind. ShadowSight should stay with Shadowclan because of his ability to blend into the shadows or something with invisibility) basically I want the Erin hunters to just cut their losses and go full on Wings Of Fire genre of clans.
It would be nice if the clans started diverging more severely and having their own traditions with a few core ones otherwise between them all. Would make up for a lot of the passiveness being written into it all. Like how Christianity has so many wildly different sects but are still all Christian’s. And we know these cats are just a weird Christian alt religion anyway lol.
Thunder Clan - be everyone's moral backbone and mediate conflicts I guess, River Clan - swim, catch and eat fish, Wind Clan - go fast, eat rabbit a-, Shadow Clan - s u r v i v e (fr their only difference is that they get the crappiest territory and rightfully go nuts because of its scarcity from time to time).
I know exactly what's going to happen by the end of this arc, a new clan will be formed. The cats that are against the new code will breakaway from the original clans, including Starclan, hence the name for this arc, A Starless Clan. Glad some of yall like my theory, iam actually really hoping it happens, it might even feel like a mini reset for the series, and with Warriors fast approaching it's 20th year anniversary, would be a pretty interesting idea at the very least.
That's actually a very cool and possible theory. I mean, the clans are basically cults at this point. Plus, the new code makes no sense and is worse than it was before. I'm gonna be honest ; I've always hated Starclan with a fire-y passion ( Ashfur joke, get it ? ) and this "enforced" code will just make it worse. It will, imo, give Starclan more excuses to not let cats up in heaven. TLDR : Those changes were unecessary and makes everything worse BUT your theory could be right ! Guess we have to wait now
most likely riverclan will go back to following the new warrior code and also everyone else by the end of book 6 and everything will go back to normal and no one will ask anything about the warrior code edit:this is what i think will happen
They could have fixed this SO much easier. Just have one rule: “Everyone be pacifistic because we’re running out of ideas and need to end the series!” Simple!
@@jujuoof174 the only good things are changing a little redundancy and creating paragraph-long rules that could have been summed up in two or three sentences.
@@thenagito True tho, I do agree it is not perfect but in my opinion it is still a little better then the old one, I still understand your point of view, tho
In river when night heart said that they think the every leader shouldn’t be leader long I was like YEAH POLITICS I just realized something. Firestar shouldn’t have been judged because he used to be a kittypet. He rejected the life a kittypet. He had a choice. If anything he’s more ‘warrior’ than the clans.
@Beaweeng Tell that to Tigerstar I, lol. Although I think he was more against the fact that he used to be a kittypet, than that he was a clan cat. Which to be fair doesn’t make a whole lotta sense since Firestar rejected the life of a kittypet in the first place, but ehhh Tigerstar logic
*What they should be* 1. Defend your Clan, even with your life. You may have friendships among other Clans' cats or non-clan cats, but your loyality is to your Clan. 2. Do not hunt or trespass on another clan's territory. In times of major crisis for one clan, leaders may chose to temporarily lift this rule to preserve life. 3. Elders, kits, queens, and the sick or injuried must be fed before apprentices and warriors. 4. Prey is killed only to be eaten. Give thanks to StarClan for its life 5. No warrior may neglect a kit in pain or in danger, even if the kit is from a different Clan. 6. A kit must be at least six moons old to become an apprentice 7. As is tradition, newly appointed warriors will keep for one night after receiving their warrior name 8. A cat cannot be made deputy without having mentored at least one apprentice. 9. The deputy will become Clan leader when the leader dies, retires or is exiled. 10. After the death, retirement, permotion (to Clan leader) or exile of the deputy, the new deputy must be chosen before moonlight as is tradition. 11. A gathering of all Clans is held at the full moon; a truce is held during this time that lasts for the night. 12. Boundaries must be checked and marked daily; inquire all trespassers' business, and challenge intruders. 13. An hourable warrior does not need kill other cats to to win their battles, unless it is necessary for self defence or the protection of all Clans. 14. A warrior rejects the soft life of a kittypet, but not all kittypets are unworthy of Clan life 15. The Clan has the right to challenge and drive out an unhourable leader who is harmful to the Clan. These at least keep both the nature of the first arc and allow honour among them. This also allows conflict to be a thing. On top of that, it honours the all clans need each other rule. The rules as they are now are too pacifistic in comparison.
My guess (and hope) is that the code changes are intentionally "bad" or not enough. And that they'll re-change again later on in ASC. The final result will probably not be great either, but I think and hope it'll be better than what we have at the moment.
@@Meckolo Unfortunately I believe only the "new" rules will change: IE the dethroning of leaders and maybe the rule for changing Clan (but at the very least I think the leader change will be redesigned, maybe they'll even go as far as adopt Flamepaw's idea to make leadership non-permanent. Though I personally hope it won't go that far). I'd love to see more changes, but I don't think it'll actually happen.
They're humanizing the cats more. Which is fine on a side, but if this is the beginning then we'll have a whole society structure in a couple years. Probably if the team goes even more buck wild, we'll have a war against two-legs who are concerned with an overpopulation.
I fr have nothing wrong with humanizing warriors, the only problem is that Erins try to balance between "they're just feral cats, who still have all the wild instincts (that one already goes against the full series logic c'mon)" and "well, yep, they can draw plans with their claws, they can create daylight gatherings just for fun and also can do mathematical expressions on 3-4th grade level". Seeing all the she-cats losing their personality after giving birth is just tearing me apart
Yeah they are humanizing the cats and frankly I don't like it. Like why does fighting need to be banned the structure of the society seems more like tribal then it is modern and there is something appealing about the tribal system of living to me at least why can't it just be that warrior cats need to fight with honor and not for their own will but the will of the clan ? That seems like enough constraint to put on a cat petty battles are meaningless but some battles should be fought.
I actually think that's why some cats are making such a big stink. All these changes don't make sense. No fighting? Warriors switching clans to be with loved ones? It's a lot of change too soon. Swing the pendulum too far one way, it goes to hell. Swing it the other way, oh look you're back where it started. I think the point of A Starless Clan, could be to address all the changes. Especially the leaders can be deposed one. It will take a LOT to depose a leader; 3/4 of the clan has to agree, medicine cats agree, the OTHER LEADERS (which makes no sense) have to agree...so I can see them doing this with Bramblestar, who doesn't seem to be in the right mindset to lead. Makes sense. And what's going to happen with RiverClan? This is a murder mystery; we can't trust certain cats. So those cats aren't following the warrior code if they kill in cold blood; those cats we can fight but CAN they fight them cause they're clan cats? It'll be a lot of ethical and moral dilemma talk which I actually find pretty interesting. Edit = StarClans approval doesn't matter for the clan switch. It's just saying that if the cat passes the trial then it is SEEN as StarClan approving the switch.
I mean, Bramblestar went through a lot after the broken code. He legit had PTSD now. He’s still recovering. So I’d understand if he’d step down from leadership. So I’d understand if Squirrelflight would become leader… but then removing him? Bramblestar is a noble leader and was a loyal Warrior. If he’s willing to go back to that, I think all of ThunderClan would understand that.
@@XOrtKnight regardless of what Bramble thinks (or what the fandom's personal opinion on him may be...👁👁) he needs to take a break. After everything that's happened, ie. The Storm, The Sisters, The Imposter and so forth, him jumping right back into leading an entire Clan (at least 20 cats) as if he isnt affected by the traumatizing events that took place will send him into a downward spiral (realistically speaking at least) But at the same time, I don't really think Sqf should be leader either, seeing as she's also been through so much as well. And as I've mentioned before, too much stress will send them both into spiral
@@XOrtKnight Bramblestar is pretty old, older than Squirrelflight. I think it would be better for him to get some rest for once tbh, aka becoming an Elder. Or maybe he can do what Rowanstar/claw did, where he just steps down himself w/o that complex process.
@@blackprimrose7541 Yeah, the books even showed him staring off into space and dissociating. Like, legit forgetting where he is. Even though I don't like Bramble very much, I do feel bad for him a little. Idk why he's even still leader at this point, as he isn't fit for the job anymore. I think Twigbranch would be a good replacement, just don't let it be Lionblaze!
Rewording the 2 new rules- The clan may remove a leader from power should they be deemed unfit to lead by a majority of cats in the clan. A cat joining a new clan must first prove themselves by whatever means the clan deems fit. This goes for cats both switching clan and joining from outside of the clans.
Honestly, I’m ready for this series to get new authors and story team. Fan writing has been better than this series has had despite 20 years of content. I
I mean- I kinda like the new rule in the number 10 spot. Remember Brokenstar? He never lost his nine-lives after ShadowClan drove him out and that would’ve been useful when Rowanstar let down his clan. But that’s a completely different story because Rowanstar knew he was failing as a leader and gave up his leadership and nine-lives. So that rule is kinda well. The rule where you can just change clans is a… sorta good addition.. as far as we remember, some cats, such as Graystripe, Sliverstream, Bluestar, Oakheart, Leafpool, Crowfreather, Tigerheart, Dovewing, they all wanted to fall in love with cats from other clans. That rule is kinda like a… “I don’t like this clan. I never liked it” or a “I want to live with a cat I love.” Sort of situation. I approve these new rules.
They are good rules but they are too complicated and go against the style the original warrior code was going for. If they were short and less complicated it would give us far more options for the cats to go for, and fit with the original styles of the code. Imagine if clans had different ways of dealing with unjust leaders? especially based on their varied experiences with them. If they did go with that then I'd prefer for all the different ways not to be listed in the warrior code but SHOWN to us. Or if they don't plan on giving a specific clan any unjust leader in future because it goes against plot. They could show us in another way. I just don't want the changes to show up in the warrior code because I honestly prefer how it was simple.
agreed, i think the new rules are either good additions or inconsequential because the books have been doing it for ages anyway. the cats constantly go against the code to help other cats, even more traditional cats like jayfeather and crowfeather, so whats the point of it being ‘illegal’ if it happens constantly and aleays turns out well?
This is why I think Nightheart will move clans! Hopefully it isn't to Shadowclan bc that means Sunbeam romance. I want them to move to Windclan, where Nightcloud is. I remember in the book's him saying how pretty she is or something like that. Maybe he could think about how much he loves Windclan and how much he feels miserable in Thunderclan. But no, he's probably gonna move to Shadowclan and be mates with Sunbeam bc that's ALWAYS what happens when a molly and tom become friends in these books 🙂
@@falcon_arkaig Hhh that's true. I really do hope he moves to Windclan as well. I haven't read up to that point but I've heard about the plot point. I think I'd like to continue reading if something like that happens. It just sounds so interesting!
Personally, I think the original had many flaws and were dumb in many ways, but that’s what I liked about it! I loved the forbidden romances (Even though Everyone knows there are too many) I loved that It was dumb so it would cause conflict and anger among the clans, and the book would be interesting. That’s why I really hate the new ones, they are so complicated for no reason, they try to make them better, but just fail miserably, they now are going against fighting in a book called “Warriors” And they’ve been fighting since that last 7 arcs. I just don’t know what they were thinking. 😑
To me it feels like the last few arcs (AVoS, TBC, and probably ASC now) start out sort of strong, then just roll downhill at the end. Like they either reach the peak of the arc too early and give us a book or two of fluff before the end, or the peak it almost at the end of the arc. For example, the ending of TBC was so unsatisfying; the first book was great and really caught my interest, the next few books kept the mystery going great, in the middle of it I finally rolled my eyes especially when it got to the big reveal and had to trudge along fluff the next couple books and then the ending was too sudden without any explanations about very important things. I think AVoS did it better but I can't remember much about the pacing, I'm just worried the same thing will happen with ASC. I really don't want the next book to come out later and pick it up just for it to either immediately tell you what you "hey here's the murderer" or "oh here's new mystery", but also not just give us a book of fluff without meaning.
the nine lives thing of a disposed leader is a unique problem. I personally think it would be interesting if they couldn't remove the previous leader's lives. having rogue leaders with too many lives could make some unique villains (a coalition of superpowered evil cats? kinda cool) , and/or consider how brutal it would be for clan members to have to choose to defeat the old leader nine times a la tigerstar 1. I do think though that the "starclan can only give out nine lives per clan" thing was always bs, it seems like a plot device, they should have just given nightstar nine new lives back when brokenstar was still alive. I mean really, if starclan could have always just taken the lives away what was stopping them from de-living the kit-killing clan-betraying brokenstar??? A ceremony? For real???? Like I know we have the canon example of rowanstar giving his lives back but pinestar didnt when he chose to stop being leader. What makes the writers think a cat disposed will willingly attend a meeting to take their lives away???This makes me feel like taking lives away supernaturally shouldnt be possible, and that giving new lives always should have been.
Honestly that would be really cool. It would give such a high risk to getting rid of evil leaders, and as such make for a more compelling story! Cats in rebellion plotting how to get rid of the remaining lives left, if they even know how many aRE left (previous leaders have lied about their remaining lives) sounds cool! And then cats of a clan who’s leader was exiled would be anxious heading out of the clan camp without a large patrol I imagine, especially if the former leader has threatened to kill those they can get their claws on. Plus, just the fact that leaders have many life’s mean that’ll they should be more likely to do risky things both for their clan’s benefit and for their own. This would make exiled leaders a far more major threat than the writing team probably thinks it would be.
I 100% agree, I do want to be that guy though and point out that I'm pretty sure Pinestar only had one life left and that was part of why he left, he wanted to spend that last life as a kittypet so he had nothing to give back without him just falling over dead
The 11th rule sounded nice at first, but then I realized that the Clan or the leader could use this to their advantage to be ableist by tasking someone like Cinderpelt, Jayfeather, Briarlignt, or Moth Flight with extremely difficult or near impossible challenges just to either make them feel terrible or to force them to stay in the clan. If your leader was a possessive friend, partner, mentor, parent, or someone who just needs a punching bag, this would be a terrible vague rule. Somehow they didn’t do anything about when a parent wants their kit to be in their clan, but the other parent opposes. And I STILL haven’t heard much about the med cat code if at all.
What I don’t like is that for the last few books, the threat to Clan life had always come from *outside* the Clans. After the death of Tigerstar I, no new power-hungry cats that had been born inside the Clans became leader (not counting Ashfur since he didn’t get nine lives). It just seems like all the possible tension from having a corrupt leader and the Clans trying to essentially destroy each other in arc 1 (e.g. WindClan being chased out and only ThunderClan going to help them; Bluestar being worried in the first book prologue that ThunderClan won’t survive) is gone now.
I feel like they’re over-humanizing the cats at this point. To be fair, they were always anthropomorphic to an extent. But they had a lot more cat features in the first few arch’s. Cats are territorial and defend borders by nature🤷🏼 I wish instead of trying to continue the books by making changes to be looser with rules (like being able to change clans at will, essentially) they’d bring back traditions and rituals that they had in the first couple of series, pre-land change days. When was the last time we actually read about anyone keeping vigil after they became a warrior? Or traveling to the moonstone as an apprentice as a right of passage and to understand why starclan was important to them. Or grooming each other after meals in order to strengthen community and build bonds. I think it would be a lot more interesting and heartfelt if they brought some of these traditions back, or made new ones. I don’t feel like the emotions of the characters are very relatable or palpable anymore. I’d like to go back to the descriptions of excitement and pride on a cats first night as a warrior while they kept vigil, and the trust their clan held in them to watch out for them that first time!
Yes! Bring back the traditions.. I miss those good old days. “Sharing tongues” was so sweet, and so was the clan entrusting new Warriors to guard for them. Literally the last time I remember the vigil actually being taken seriously was Into the Wild with Firestar and Graystripe, and I miss that so much :( Gonna go read the first series again.
Yeah, we need a cause for the Warrior Code to revert back to what it was with the exception of Bramblestar's addition to the Warrior Code. I missed the old days.
same here! i absolutely hate that erins still refuse that these cats are anthropomorphic, and because of that, all the she-cats lose their personality after giving birth, for instance. i absolutely hate that warriors are such smart creatures, but are still positioned as random stupid wild cats, which makes absolutely no sence.
@@spnch3955 at least the old OG series from the Original Series to the last series were still consistent. Ferncloud is one example of a she-cat queen that had remained consistently the same throughout the whole series, well during the three series after the Original series.
I guess the clans are headed towards peace which is great for them but ultimately makes the story less exciting. In my opinion, the first series was the best, there was battle and emotion and it all seemed more likely for a wild group of cats. Second series was less exciting but *what happened* in the third and fourth!? First they gave cats superpowers then evil dead cats attacked ??? I wonder how many more series they’re going to try and make, surely this can’t go on much longer?
I stopped reading the books after Omen of the stars… I’m just so sick of TC hogging the spotlight constantly and like 50% of the clan being somehow related to firestar Edit: 69th like
@@Jashinist-follower I stopped reading the books after Power of Three 🤣 I didn’t like that they gave the cats what are essentially super powers Edit: I never actually read Omen of the Stars, but I do keep myself up to date with the events for the purpose of MAPs
They should've added one more: If a medicine cat chooses to have a mate and/or kits, they must have at least one fully trained apprentice and will not be bias in favor of ther kin when trending to sick or injured cats in need
I was fine with the new rule of a cat can switch clans to be with their mate but the rest but the rest was uneeded but I agree they could have cut alot of the wording out on some of the rules
The problem with allowing this, Greystripe was a PERFECT example. He went to Riverclan for his kits, but was never loyal to Riverclan. But even after going back to Thunderclan, he still wanted to protect Riverclan bc his kits were there. The cat would be torn
Agreed! Most clans have 2 med cats so it's not a huge deal if one is in the nursery for a bit and if said med cat needs someone to watch them while they go heal someone there are plenty of ways to keep that covered. Elders, other queens, their mate!
@@catandrobbyflores yeah. And again, Moth Flight's reason for making that rule was super petty. Just because her mate died and nobody could help her with her kits.
In my opinion, Warriors is really going downhill fast. Two many background characters, weird/uninteresting plots and names, plus many issues like age gaps. People’s own series and OCs are becoming more interesting by the minute. I’m worried that this series will be the nail in the coffin, and more or less ruin the series. It’s still kind of fun to read them, but they’re just not as good as the first 3 series. I think that the next arc should have some crazy extinction event and get rid of all of the awful, unused background characters, keep a few good cats and basically start over. Kitty pets, liners and more bloodlines, eliminating inbreeding. Please. We need a change, or we need this newest arc to be good
I feel like they need a fresh new start as well. Maybe new clans, new location, new rules, different ways of life, actually keeping track of the characters this time, etc.
They should do a huge skip forward in time where all the characters (background and main) are all new cats, with no specified relations to the cats we have now
I get what you mean, but saying Warriors is going downhill fast implies it wasn’t like this from the beginning. Weird age gaps? Dust/Fern, Spotted’s crush on Fire. Inbreeding? Well, we basically had to invent parents for most first-arc cats, and that got messy quickly. Adding new cats in to fix that necessitates increasingly weird names so we don’t have too many repeats. We’ve gotten pretty egregious dumpster fires lately (Spottedleaf’s Heart and Onestar’s Confession come to mind), but it’s important to acknowledge the issues have been present from the first arc. This isn’t new.
@@emmettrose5960 Yes we have seen that and that needs to change. It's just all of this, combined with previous issues and the whole Onestar and his apprentice thing that just kind of really started to piss me off. Not to say I don't like the series, it just needs to change
it sounds like the writers are forgetting that these are cats fighting for survival and not people facing mild inconveniences. a cat hunting on another clan's border is treated with the severity of "aw man, i don't get seconds!", when it should mean weaker warriors and potential starvation. cats leaving their clan is a loss of manpower and a food supplier, or possibly even the only doctor, not a friend moving to a different town.
Isn't the deputy appointed by the leader? What's the point of giving the lives to the deputy if the deputy is probably corrupt too? And the medicine cat may be in cahoots too.
Tbh I don't mind that they're shifting away from inter-clan conflicts and battles. We've seen a lot of those, and I'm sure they'll still happen now and again, but at the level of cultural advancement the Clans have achieved at this point (mediator role, Clans support each other in times of crisis, etc) it feels odd for them to constantly be fighting over turf for no real reason other than to prove they're stronger than their neighbors. In the early books, it made more sense because the other Clans were treated as totally foreign entities (Clans didn't know where each other's camps were, cats generally didn't know the names of cats in other Clans save for a select few) and were in general more warlike. I mean, Firepaw had to fight Longtail day one to prove his strength to the Clan. If that happened now, it would be considered cruel and unusual. The changes to the code that ask for less fighting already reflect the direction the Clans were headed in anyways. The last pointless border skirmish we saw in the main series was way, way back in book 2 of OotS. Having the Clans behave as a more united collective of different groups opens the door for intra Clan conflicts, which seems to be what this next arc will handle, and major external threats.
The rules make sense as the clans aren't barbaric feral cats looking for fights anymore..they depend on other clans, care for others, and realize loosing cats to dumb petty fights isn't the way to go to keep the clans from dying off. They're more civilized.
ok I got into this video thinking "change bad" but your comment really did a good job explaining the other side. Ever since the clans moved from the old forest they've had to work together so it makes sense (I only read to like halfway through the power of three so I don't remember super well but yeah there's my opinion).
Honestly I have a feeling that the Warriors website is trying to tease us and is going to forget the new code right away. But if that doesnt happen, I’d like to see something: Leaders/medicine cats are told the new code, and they’re against it, so they tell the leaders and other cats in the next Gathering, and the cats go savage with the new change of the Warrior Code, trying to make Starclan understand that it was a bad idea to change the warrior code so much. They lose their faith in Starclan but certain cats still have some faith. I think this would make the arc name “A Starless Clan” even better with the clans losing faith in their ancestors.
What I enjoy about reading the books is all the the battles and limitations within the clans. Having cats go against the code and face the consequences in actuality instead of being forgiven, (like Mapleshade being exiled from Thunderclan) Is what I enjoy. Watching this just makes me feel like the clans have gone soft. There is a warrior code for a reason, for both limitations and basic morality, of course murder has to be illegal but now my precious forbidden romances are allowed in a way. There's no way to make good drama now if there cant be border fights or everyone has gone softer than a kittypet so they wont anyway. Anyway, just my opinion, it seems ruined and I just like alot of drama. At least I have OC clans for this crisis.
Honestly there was rarely boundary fights anymore to begin with, but seeing fighting and drama is the bread and butter of this series I believe the code may be up for change or be ignored more often. I still think having crossclan relationships stricyky forbidden is stupid, I get the drama, but it feels like an easy cop out. Eitherway, I don't feel like there is much to worry about.
Don't worry Akira after the rebel cat murder plot is wrapped up the next series will have like 8 random fox attacks and maybe if we're lucky like 5 or 6 badger attacks to keep the plot spicy....Maybe even beavers again? Or worse...kittypets?!
@@redthefoxisWritingUpAStorm I mean they did it for Skyclan and I think it Dawn of the Clans if memory serves. I would find it funny for big tough shadow or thunder to be destroyed by kittypets. Not the other clans tho they're always getting the short end
I may be only on the second arc right now, but from the videos I have watched, I think what is happening is, as the clans realize each year that they can't fight (or just don't need to) they will become one clan again, yet this leaves me to my theory, I call it "the loop" the warriors will live as one until something happens thus the story will repeat itself, a new firestar, a new bluestar, doing the same thing till we are back here, think of it as the alcatraz map on CoD zombies, where the same thing will continue to happen untill something changes, like one new firestar killing tigerstar, not scorge.
I don’t know, I’m not completely opposed to the new code just yet because I’m curious to see how the authors will introduce new conflicts now with these rules in mind. We already see cats disagreeing with the new code in River and it’s clear that’s going to be a main focus of conflict, and I’m curious to see how cats who are loyal to this new code, versus cats who are against it are going to try and fight for what they believe. Knowing the Erins, this might be wishful thinking, but I’m hesitant to completely discredit it just yet. As for all of the weirdly specific vs non-specific rules, I honestly think that fits considering the Clans’ current dysfunction with trying to get these rules to stick. I feel like the criticism readers have towards this new code is exactly what’s going to happen in the actual books and that the code is meant to be a mess. As for the weird involvement of StarClan, I think at this point we can just accept no one is actually setting boundaries for how much StarClan can intervene. It completely throws out old plot points, but I don’t think anyone in Erin Hunter gives a damn about it anymore. It’s annoying, but unfortunately now it’s the reality of the series -_-
might be just be me misreading the tone of voice but- I mildly disagree on some rules being unreasonable. (i get the joke of "oh the cats can't fight anymore or else it's against the warrior code!!!" but it's not to my taste.) Here's my take on it. (skipping 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15 as they're mostly the same.) 1. _Defend all the Clans, even with your life. Your first loyalty is to your Clan, but all cats who follow the warrior code are your allies. Each Clan must ensure that no other Clan falls._ Possibly referring to what happened with Skyclan and Windclan or the great battle against the Dark Forest. "Your first loyalty is to your Clan" probably means that border disputes are still pretty common and you can't just stop fighting other clans because "ey we're friends now cuz new warrior code." It doesn't apply to simple border scuffles and more-so just refers to dangers that are a threat to the clans, be it natural disasters, the dark forest, etc. Essentially: *"You can't leave other clans for dead when it's a danger to everyone that isn't evil."* 2. _Nevertheless, each Clan is proud and independent, with traditions that must always be respected._ I do agree that it's really really vague, don't have much of a rebuttal on this one beyond maybe misreading it? The whole conflict between code 3 and 2 could just be awful circumstance [or just taking the worst example out of it but not sure]. The tradition part could be referring to each Clan's unique traditions (i.e Windclan Warriors sleeping outside instead of dens to be closer to Starclan [unsure if this is canon]. Since Leader's word is no longer law, Tradition, I presume, can't be changed so easily.) 4. _Elders, queens, sick or injured cats and kits must be fed before apprentices and warriors. Unless they have permission, apprentices may not eat until they have hunted to feed the elders._ Not sure about this one either. Could possibly be when an apprentice hasn't eaten in like- days? and is starving??? i very much agree it's odd. 16. _Boundaries must be checked and marked daily. Challenge all trespassing cats - but a Warrior must always remember that all cats follow the warrior code._ i'm surprised this rule wasn't mentioned in the video because it sorta supports my point with code 1. or maybe i just missed it. The point with _all cats follow the warrior code_ is pretty stupid because obviously not all cats do that- or maybe it's just bad wording and they meant *"Don't forget that when you're fighting a trespassing cat, you have to follow the warrior code."* I agree completely with code 10 and 11, they're way too long and have too complex of a system. It could be shortened and the whole process could be handled similarly to the renaming ceremony. anyway that's just my opinion and you're free to have yours. edit: forgot 10 and 11
I think the new code is still an improvement, though it's not perfect and definitely overly complicated in some areas. Changing Clans was implied to be against the code, and Dovewing, Graystripe, and Yellowfang got a lot of trouble they shouldn't have because of it. This new code makes things more peaceful and allows horrible leaders to be deposed, which is still much better than the old code. I don't even think it will necessarily lead to crappier writing, because all you need to do is make a cat that doesn't obey the code or have a corrupt medicine cat who won't depose a leader, or have other creative ways to make interesting stories/romances/battles
I totally agree. I understand the hestitance to accept these changes to the Warrior Code given that for the longest time these were the ones that provided us with so many memorable scenes in the series but I believe this change will prove to be for the best in the long run if handled right. It gives way for so many new conflicts and memorable scenes we never could have seen if we followed the same formula we have used for almost two decades.
@@thatoneweirdgal8469 Thanks for your reply! Exactly, that's what I was thinking. Also, it just makes narrative sense that they would change the code in these ways, due to the problems the old code caused.
The fact that they changed and deleted so much but they couldnt think of a single rule that went "also hey its probably not so bad to have kids with cats from other clans so theyre not horribly inbred" Even the Erins know that the "dont mate outside your clan" rule is the only thing keeping these books alive
I'm still pissed about the arc where the code is changed being called "a starless clan" while the arc where starclan has vanished is called "the broken code" SWAP THEM FFS
That 10th new one feels like it only exists for two reasons 1: when another power hungry ambition filled leader appears like tigerstar or brokenstar And 2: so the main characters have an easier way to overthrow a corrupted leader without it seeming like they are relying to much on the plot armor crutch
I don’t think I’m right, but A Starless Clan gives me the hint that some clan or group will be formed who doesn’t follow the code or worship StarClan, I wouldn’t blame them a lot of the code sucks. Either way A Starless Clan about to be chaotic as hell 💀
Still waiting to see the Warrior Code revert back to it's original code, it's more easy to remember than trying to remember the whole category. If I was a warrior of the equivalent to the old guard, I'm definitely sticking to the code as I remember it.
StarClan: “We have no impact on the living Clans whatsoever.” Also StarClan: “Here is a specific set of rules you need to live by and if you don’t you’ll be outcast from society or go to Hell!” This is why I hate God /j
I think many of these could easily be rewritten to be smoother/shorter. I do agree that the vibe of the warrior code is more simple guide vs written laws, but if they wanted to go in the direction of laws as culture in the clans changed, that could be interesting if it was fully committed to
I dunno I’m kind of expecting that in the future it’s going to go full circle again. The clans will unite into one, they will stop allying with others and live off on their own either alone or in family/friend units and basically become rogues and loners, a small group will stay together as the remnants of the clans, they will eventually lose tradition and become a much smaller group, make their own traditions with names that are somewhat similar to what they once were in clans, with young cats and older cats having different places in hierarchy and all, one unlucky cat will get killed in grown cat initiation, and the twolegs will begin building a new building or renovating the old barn area, the group of cats will get scared of being driven out and will leave to go live in the mountains. The tribe cats will have already died off or moved out. They will form a new group of cats in the mountains, and will send a group of cats off to find better hunting grounds, and they come across the forest, a different section of it but still near the Twolegplace, branch off into several separate groups separated by their hunting and living preferences, fight terribly, get told by recently dead cats to make new rules and become official groups who have religion with dead cats, and the clans will be reborn again as if they were brand new, and it will end with Rock and Midnight watching them, as they have watched them for several cycles before since the beginning and will continue to watch them cycle until the very end.
While the new rules will undoubetdly lead to less interesting storeis (unless they fundamentally change somthing about the theme of the series), I can't help but think : "Yup, makes sense for the cats to come to those conclusions. They're really evolving as a society."
Ngl, upon seeing the thumbnail, I was like "Wait! Warriors aren't allowed to fight now?! What's the point of calling them warriors then?!" Also, 3:48 it bugs me that they added the word 'five' when they really didn't need to.
I honestly appreciate the change to the 8th and 9th rule. It reminds me of the Brokenstar incident, where Nightstar couldnt even get nine lives to lead his clan JUST because Brokenstar was still alive (even though Brokenstar had clearly been exiled from Shadowclan). So imo, thats a good change.
Super off topic but I feel like at the end of the Warriors franchise everyone is going to die in some way, wether it’s a battle or a sickness. Either Warriors will never end, or it will have a sad ending.
I Wholeheartedly hope that the change in the warrior code is intended for the book, and like some people have suggested, causes many clan members to leave. I am literally praying that this isn't the final version of the code. I think that the clans should realize that the code wasn't the problem, it was them. They loosen up some rules, and then the series can get a fresh restart. I hope we can also get a change of scenery, perhaps they travel again. I would be willing to endure that tediousness for a simple change of scenery. Settling into the lake was one of my favourite parts about the second arc.
I honestly dislike the new code, it just- Doesn't click in and fit. But we have to accept it now, though any roleplayer can just say they stick to the first clan code, it's a change and not for the worse, yet not for the best.
It’s kindve annoying how the Clans are always talking about upholding the Warrior Code and how it’s bad if they break it but then whenever someone actually does break the code they either get a minor punishment or they get off scot-free (cough cough Breezepelt cough cough) I also with the Clans could just come up with a basic set of like two to five rules not SIXTEEN and these rules could basically just be the rules they already but better, like throwing out the whole tradition thing cuz that’s stupid, and just saying “hey respect each other and don’t murder each other” and I feel like if the Clans did this that would solve a lot of their problems.
Basically the new Warrior Code erodes the Sovereignty of each individual clan. Effectively this makes each clan more like the States of the USA (Like Texas, Florida, and California) instead of a sovereign nation (Like Europe France, Germany, and Spain; The EU: is trying to erode the sovereignty of Europe)
A better rule to end the series (IN MY OPINION) would be: no more clans (to assimilate all four Clans into one) (they have the same beliefs and traditions), create a new home stay together, no fighting each other, protect each other,medicine cats can have mate and kits if they want. And any cat could have a mate and kits without worrying about being from another clan. Leaders must lead without abuse their power, ex: Tigerstar, Brokenstar,Clearsky,etc. Simple as that. 😄
If they specify that the clans need to respect traditions, they need to ADD traditions! What point is there of respecting traditions if there are no traditions to respect in the first place? They all do the same thing every day!
I feel like the new rules are terrible, not only since all these cats died for their clan and now they died in vain and worst is the cats can now have mates across the clans, do they know how MUCH bloodshed it took for that rule to be peace and now it’s like “oh hi Bluestar, Mapleshade and all of ya, guess what? We made it so Mosskit and your 3 kist death was in vain”
I’ve always had the firm belief that anything not in the books _is not_ canon. Even Field Guides and Manga should be taken with a grain of salt. Also any retcons in later books take precedence over older ones, e.g. not every she-cat is a queen or Dovewing has green eyes.
nooo the word of the leader is the code was my favorite rule!! it was so dumb but it gave excuses to leaders who didn't want to follow the code - which made for fun villains that were still respected for long enough to do some damage - and added more to uprisings, cause they weren't just fighting against their leader and the loyalists, but the very code they live by Now if a leader's breaking a code, a cat can just say nope without any inner turmoil that they themselves are breaking the code by going against their leader. wheres the drama? the suspense?? the two new rules are horrible oh my god why are they so wordy? these are rules that are passed down orally, to children, how on earth are they supposed to be this detailed? not to mention they also remove so much conflict :/
I didn't get the notification for your video for some reason, I would have been here yesterday but I only found out today that you posted, but I liked the video either way!
They still didn't make a part of the code specifying not to murder your Clanmates?????? But oh no, you better not poke that WindClan warrior because he is trespassing and making death threats! That's illegal!
Great video! Everything you pointed out was exactly what I had been thinking when I first read the new code! Recently it has felt like warriors is changing so much and not always in a good way. I have a suggestion: create a more positive video reviewing the best parts of the new warrior cat series, or have a poll asking people of which new character is the favourite, or review popular fan theories about the new series, or list upcoming MAPS you're excited for, or something similar. There's so many questionable things and rapid changes happening in warriors at the moment that it would be nice to be reminded of why we all love and cherish the series so much and keep the warriors spirit alive. Anyway, that was just an idea. Im a big fan of your videos! Hope you are doing well. 😊
something i think could be a cool turn for the series is to just... move along. I'm talking MAJOR time skip. New characters, none of this weird baggage from the older books. Cool references to old characters like elder stories. Just seeing how a future Clan is impacted by the changes in the most recent books, and the problems they face. With all this turbulence of the new rules, all these old characters bogging down the story (all this bellyaching about kin and mixed bloodlines) and everything, I just think a cool reset for the series is necessary, set a few generations in the future to avoid the repetition of the story. (Enough about Firestar and Tigerstar's descendants!! I'm tired of hearing about Squirrelflight and Ashfur when that arc was like 20 books ago!) Even if we have characters who are implied to be related to old ones, but that's not their whole character (cough cough Nightheart), I think that'd be enough to liven up the series.
Having the warrior code function as a law rather than a set of traditions would work, *but* there are a few things that would need to be done: -show a change in attitude towards the warrior code -some sort of legal precedent should be established in-universe -keep traditions in existence but have them be their own thing, although they would probably influence the code -the books should be more open to changes in the code, laws change all the time -Adding kitty-lawyers. Someone would need to memorize the code, also we need more jobs in warrior cats. Plus, the idea of kitty ace attorney is both hilarious and fascinating to me, which is why I'm adding a rank that basically functions as lawyers/librarians to my semi-crack fanfic and entirely rewriting the code. If anyone wants to know more just ask. -Don't make fighting illegal -Actually consider the wording
I mean… the whole point of the code is that NOT every cat follows the code. It’s what set the clans apart in the first place. Are the writers even trying anymore?
The thing that sucks most about the code changing is the only book I own, rather than having borrowed from the library, is outdated. 😂 Enter the Clans, which contains the Warriors Field Guide: Secrets of the Clans and Warriors: Code of the Clans. I'd like to own more, but people talking about how the quality's gone downhill scares me away. I fell off of reading in the middle of the fourth arc with Dovewing. No particular reason, just stopped keeping up with the series. I think the only super editions I read were Yellowfang's, Bluestar's (both of which I loved), and the Skyclan one. Getting an older super edition I haven't read might be a good way of getting more out of the series from back when people considered it "good". Any recommendations?
Defend all the clans? Wha- that literally makes no since. There is going to be a lot more forbidden love now lol And the truce is gone?! THERE CAN LITERARY BE A WAR NOW!! ITS LIKE A TEENAGE PARTY! Also I was first to comment so no saying first >:P
Yes. “Breezepaw stole the berries!“ “What? No I didn’t, Willowtail did.” “Who’s Willowtail?” “How do you not know who Willowtail is!?” “I’m not very social, okay?” “Wait, no, I think Sparrowpaw did it.” “What’s your evidence?” “What’s YOUR evidence?” “I saw it with my own two eyes!” “Well, I saw it with my own two eyes, and I didn’t see your own two eyes!” “I thought you were at the ceremony!” “No, that was Breezepaw!” “So it wasn’t Breezepaw?” “Yes!” “Fine!” “Also, I think Willowtail was on medicine cat duty.” “Wasn’t she on nursery duty?” “How do you know?” “This morning, I heard her talk about it!” “Directly to you?” “Yes!” “Well, I don’t understand how someone on nursery duty could go to your home, and steal berries, those kits are restless!” “I didn’t know that!” “You have a kit, how do you not know that?” “My kit’s chill!” “Whatever!” “Calm down. I declare…” “Sparrowtail as Guilty!”
Is it just me at this point, that half of code is changed so StarClan would come back permanently so the cats have to make and change the code to do that? Maybe because everyone was pissed off about Leafpool's and Squirrelflight's trials and having to get cats approve of Tigerheartstar and Dovewing since they did break the code but made it right in the end, Leaf breaking it off with Crow, Squirrel protecting her sister, then we all know about Tiger and Dove at this point. I haven't read the newer books but StarClan is still gone right? Or am I missing something? I only knew Bristlefrost killed Ashfur by drowning him in the Dark Forest pond. I don't know if everything went back to "normal."
I hope the apprentices can just call the new big leader code just being called "leader code." That would suck having to list all the steps each and every time their teacher asked for the whole code.
I think the new rule 2 isn't an equivalent of the old one. I think it's like "respect culture" sort of? Like how you shouldn't shame riverclan for fishing or windclan for their structure of digging people and those who run through the grasslands. How each clan does things individually should be respected. This rule may cause clans to start being a bit more different from each other! They all share common things like believing in the code and starclan but may start to develop differing traditions. Also I agree on what you thought about the 2 new rules..they are unnecessarily complicated! And starclan is thrown in them for seemingly no reason. I guess I can understand starclan now having the abilities to revoke lives? Like it messes up the canon yea, but the books have been going on for a long time..by now they may of decided they didn't like how old things were and are choosing to fix some problems they didn't address earlier such as "oh no a leader is evil..welp gotta wait till they kick the bucket I guess to pick a new leader with 9 lives"; if they can reborn cats (sort of) and gift lives it makes sense they could simply revoke lives if the ones who gave said lives agree to take back their blessing. It also looks like to get rid of a leader is way too hard, harder than it needs to be; like why the hell do the other leaders have to consent to it? It's not their leader and clan so they shouldn't get a say! 3/4th makes sense as 50/50 is a stand-still but the medicine cat being required to vote the leader out or the leader stays is silly
WAIT A MINUTE. In the original 15 rules, it says nothing about med cats not being allowed to have kits, yet they just follow a nonexistent rule that wasn’t in the original code anyway? WHAT THE HELL- Edit: IT DOESN’T EVEN SAY THIS IN THE NEW CODE BUT PEOPLE STILL SAY “oh med cats can’t have children or a mate because of the code” EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN’T FREAKING MENTION THAT IN THE CODE AT ALL. ISNFRBHSDWFHIBDKSNWH
This new code is giving me the Clans from Mo Dao Zu Shi vibes, which is funny because right now I'm writing a warrior cat story just for my own mental health (meaning i wont be posting it anywhere) that's HEAVILY based on that donghua lol Since there are clans in both pieces of media, I thought I might as well mix them together. These clans have a different way of electing leaders though, as it's based on bloodline rather than who's the most capable. Which can lead to some pretty interesting things lmfao. I call these 5 special families of cats the "Blessed Bloodlines," since the whole story revolves around them being blessed by (I haven't come up with a name for their version of StarClan so) StarClan. If you're a direct descendant of either the leader of deputy (deputies being the heirs to the leadership position, whether that be a sibling, a child, or a neice or nephew), then you're born with a special physical attribute of your clan. That could be anything from patterns, colors, or even manes. The point of that is so you know from physical features who is who. Exciting stuff though I can't wait till I actually START writing lmao. Right now, I'm putting together a slideshow of character info, plot stuff, etc. I like to sort things lol. I'd give a list of the clans and the quotes they live by but I feel like I'm oversharing already so I won't
Whats the point in clans being clans if all clans are a priority. I feel like if Skyclan hadn't come to the lake we would have the same rules. 10; Here's the thing, if the leader was really leading that terribly, the medicine cats would've noticed and there would be no need for another cat to challenge the leader's title. 11; So if the cat seems worthy enough they can just change clans as they please. At least we'll get some forbidden ships, we have 'none' of those. And medicine cats, what if there was only one medicine cat and they decided that they were bored of their claN? I like how we all wanted medicine cats to be able to have relationships and the Erins were most likely aware of this, so they changed the code but it had nothing to do with medicine cats.
I'm upset that they still haven't made the rule to help Medicine cats solve the solutions of having mates and kits. They could have other cats, no matter if they know herbs or not, warriors or not, they can be kit sitters to look after the kits once the medicine cats are healed from birth. Heck! They have an Apprentice to help them out when they're ill! That's what upsets me. Medicine Cats can go ask for someone to look after the kits while recovering, same with the female leaders. But that leads to, who will be the kit sitters or permanent queens to look after the kits that are not their own. I believe the rule the first medicine cat made that it's for the best to protect the new ones, doesn't help anyone at all! It's a pointless rule that can get anyone hurt. I love Leafpool and how her rebellion against this rule doesn't help anyone, even her how she wanted to have a family to carry on her kin. That's why she asks her sister cause she can trust her to look after them while she's working. There's a thing called, Help!! Get help from the warriors or Permanent Queens to kits it the kits! I hope one day the writers make a novel to end the Medicine Cat rule cause this is out of hands/paws when one wants a family and doesn't feel alone when they die with no family.
hey people i would like to object to bramblebuttstar being leader of thunderclan following rule 10 of the warrior code who will stand with me to take down the Walmart tigerstar clone 😁
I dunno I feel like the DF battle should've been in PoT and then that should've been the end Holly'Leaf should've changed the warrior and medicine cat codes to be more just And Starclan should've STAYED a distant being that delivers prophecies rather than a massive group of dictators that control every move of the cats that exist now
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I find it amusing that the rule to not pick fights over boundaries includes saying that "all cats" follow the warrior code. There's been plenty of cats who *don't*, so now the characters are just meant to believe that they do bc the code told them so?
i think its pretty obvious it means all cats within the clans
@@emilymonahan5232 they specify cats outside the code in the "no killing" rule though...
@@thenagito right, but the cats within the clan are the only ones bound to the warrior code. 'cats that follow the warrior code' inherently implies cats only linked to the clans.
@@emilymonahan5232 no, it says "all cats follow the warrior the warrior code", which is incorrect. I think it was just lazy writing
@@thenagito ah, my mistake. i think we can still understand the implication, but it is unclear
I felt like warrior cats becoming more pacifistic is something that has been going on for a long time. It feels like a lot of 'Fighting bad!' and such. And it feels like when a fight starts, it feels like there have to be a 'bad guy' instead of both just trying their best for their clan.
I agree 100% the first arc did a really good job (comparatively) at making fights matter. Not only did they matter they had risk, depth, and flaws. No one knew if the plan with the dogs would go well, or if graystripe would fight tc but that helped the battles. No it’s so dry, a boring and “Oh there’s the bad guy get him!” I think what happened is the authors over the years are seeing this now massive fandom and trying not to promote violence to kids. But at the end of the day them toning it down much later doesn’t stop new readers from reading, oh I don’t know, the first arc.
@@sarcasticsquiggles1512 I loved the first Arc the most, I love reading it. Whenever I read it I feel like wanting more Warrior Cats books, but then I continue the other arcs and I slowly lose interest. I stopped reading the series after Firestar died for the last time. I still like checking in with the fandom though, because I'm still interested and I know later arcs have potentially good things in them, but not enough for me to feel like "I have to buy more books"
@@sarcasticsquiggles1512 Probably the whole black and white thinking some of the fandom has. Mostly the kid fans, and it's leaking itself into the actual books. I think they did a goodish job w/ morally gray characters with Snowtuft and some of the other Dark Forest cats. They weren't evil, they weren't heros, they're morally gray. Wish we had that in a protagonist, cough cough Nightheart
@@SatanicPizza same. I check in with MAPs, the occasional speed paint but that’s about it.
@@SatanicPizza that’s probably true. I think I miss a lot of the younger fans, out of sight out of mind. Morally grey characters and characters with differing interests that conflict are hard to find. Although to be fair I stopped reading after the apprentice’s quest so maybe there were some after that
I miss the days where the code was just “feed the clan first, meds can’t have kids, don’t kill each other”.
"or if you do kill someone for whatever reason, just say sorry"
@@SuspiciousZorua "sorry, i killed that dude because he took my flower. we good?"
@@randomnoob101flyhightweek “yeah but did you say sorry?”
@@randomnoob101flyhightweek "oh yeah you're fine, you probably just loved that flower too much. after all, we don't believe in redemption arcs, so the fact that you're saying sorry means you must've been good all along!"
Hey why don’t you just have two medicine cats so if one dies because they had kids or they just die and what is up with the med cat can’t have kids rule like what happened
The 2nd rule is also weird considering the clans do not have hugely different traditions to one another. They do exactly the same things and believe in the exact same things as one another - with maybe one or two aesthetic differences with their territories, it is a bit of a redundant rule when ThunderClan and ShadowClan *both* act the same as one another, for example.
I will never stop advocating that the clans should set cats into clans based on whatever power their medicine cats/leaders have.
( ie. Firestar belongs to Thunderclan because he has the fire of lighting or something like that.
MothWing should be in Windclan because she has the wings of a Moth and can fly and glide with the wind.
ShadowSight should stay with Shadowclan because of his ability to blend into the shadows or something with invisibility)
basically I want the Erin hunters to just cut their losses and go full on Wings Of Fire genre of clans.
Yeah, I think it’s just there for the world, yknow, to keep *people* from bothering eachother on traditions
It would be nice if the clans started diverging more severely and having their own traditions with a few core ones otherwise between them all. Would make up for a lot of the passiveness being written into it all. Like how Christianity has so many wildly different sects but are still all Christian’s.
And we know these cats are just a weird Christian alt religion anyway lol.
Thunder Clan - be everyone's moral backbone and mediate conflicts I guess,
River Clan - swim, catch and eat fish,
Wind Clan - go fast, eat rabbit a-,
Shadow Clan - s u r v i v e (fr their only difference is that they get the crappiest territory and rightfully go nuts because of its scarcity from time to time).
@@Bepetoni Windclan: gotta go fast
“Evil leaders, epic battles, spicy romance” is basically the foundation for every good arc in the Warriors series.
I know exactly what's going to happen by the end of this arc, a new clan will be formed. The cats that are against the new code will breakaway from the original clans, including Starclan, hence the name for this arc, A Starless Clan. Glad some of yall like my theory, iam actually really hoping it happens, it might even feel like a mini reset for the series, and with Warriors fast approaching it's 20th year anniversary, would be a pretty interesting idea at the very least.
That would actually be a intresting plot point
That would be amazing
That's actually a very cool and possible theory. I mean, the clans are basically cults at this point. Plus, the new code makes no sense and is worse than it was before.
I'm gonna be honest ; I've always hated Starclan with a fire-y passion ( Ashfur joke, get it ? ) and this "enforced" code will just make it worse. It will, imo, give Starclan more excuses to not let cats up in heaven.
TLDR : Those changes were unecessary and makes everything worse BUT your theory could be right ! Guess we have to wait now
most likely riverclan will go back to following the new warrior code and also everyone else by the end of book 6 and everything will go back to normal and no one will ask anything about the warrior code edit:this is what i think will happen
That’s very interesting, Perhaps so.
They could have fixed this SO much easier. Just have one rule: “Everyone be pacifistic because we’re running out of ideas and need to end the series!” Simple!
This ^^
I get it is a joke but still kinda feels a bit mean and ignoring the actuall good things about it-
@@jujuoof174 the only good things are changing a little redundancy and creating paragraph-long rules that could have been summed up in two or three sentences.
@@thenagito True tho, I do agree it is not perfect but in my opinion it is still a little better then the old one, I still understand your point of view, tho
@Polteacup I disagrew but I still respect ur opinion 👍
A Starless Clan boutta be chaotic af 💀
Already is..
Always was
Already was and already is bro
@@kycinder I am aware, but it's only going to get crazier, there's only been one book after all
It should stop asap one of my friends said that if they no more ideas they should NOT continue it
In river when night heart said that they think the every leader shouldn’t be leader long I was like YEAH POLITICS
I just realized something. Firestar shouldn’t have been judged because he used to be a kittypet. He rejected the life a kittypet. He had a choice. If anything he’s more ‘warrior’ than the clans.
Noooo Politics Are The Worst.. I Respect Opinions But I HATED That Line, And It Better Not Happen.
@@tigerpeltofwindclan8431 tbh, funny fictional cat politics would be entertaining to see. ACTUAL politics on the other hand? Way too messy. Eugh.
@@kiddosneakybeaky3934 same, I’ve always been invested in fictional politics. But real life politics is uhhhhh, not fun to look at
@@fortunavixen3210 fr ngl
@Beaweeng Tell that to Tigerstar I, lol. Although I think he was more against the fact that he used to be a kittypet, than that he was a clan cat. Which to be fair doesn’t make a whole lotta sense since Firestar rejected the life of a kittypet in the first place, but ehhh Tigerstar logic
*What they should be*
1. Defend your Clan, even with your life. You may have friendships among other Clans' cats or non-clan cats, but your loyality is to your Clan.
2. Do not hunt or trespass on another clan's territory. In times of major crisis for one clan, leaders may chose to temporarily lift this rule to preserve life.
3. Elders, kits, queens, and the sick or injuried must be fed before apprentices and warriors.
4. Prey is killed only to be eaten. Give thanks to StarClan for its life
5. No warrior may neglect a kit in pain or in danger, even if the kit is from a different Clan.
6. A kit must be at least six moons old to become an apprentice
7. As is tradition, newly appointed warriors will keep for one night after receiving their warrior name
8. A cat cannot be made deputy without having mentored at least one apprentice.
9. The deputy will become Clan leader when the leader dies, retires or is exiled.
10. After the death, retirement, permotion (to Clan leader) or exile of the deputy, the new deputy must be chosen before moonlight as is tradition.
11. A gathering of all Clans is held at the full moon; a truce is held during this time that lasts for the night.
12. Boundaries must be checked and marked daily; inquire all trespassers' business, and challenge intruders.
13. An hourable warrior does not need kill other cats to to win their battles, unless it is necessary for self defence or the protection of all Clans.
14. A warrior rejects the soft life of a kittypet, but not all kittypets are unworthy of Clan life
15. The Clan has the right to challenge and drive out an unhourable leader who is harmful to the Clan.
These at least keep both the nature of the first arc and allow honour among them. This also allows conflict to be a thing. On top of that, it honours the all clans need each other rule. The rules as they are now are too pacifistic in comparison.
I miss the “No kits for you med cat lololol”, “Just feed the helpless”, “If you kill a cat just say sorry” rules 💀
My guess (and hope) is that the code changes are intentionally "bad" or not enough. And that they'll re-change again later on in ASC.
The final result will probably not be great either, but I think and hope it'll be better than what we have at the moment.
i hope so too because some of these make absolutely no sense, but i honestly don’t have much hope lol
@@Meckolo Unfortunately I believe only the "new" rules will change: IE the dethroning of leaders and maybe the rule for changing Clan (but at the very least I think the leader change will be redesigned, maybe they'll even go as far as adopt Flamepaw's idea to make leadership non-permanent. Though I personally hope it won't go that far).
I'd love to see more changes, but I don't think it'll actually happen.
They're humanizing the cats more. Which is fine on a side, but if this is the beginning then we'll have a whole society structure in a couple years. Probably if the team goes even more buck wild, we'll have a war against two-legs who are concerned with an overpopulation.
cats learn human language and assimilate into twoleg society arc when
@@wisteriaclaw exactly
I fr have nothing wrong with humanizing warriors, the only problem is that Erins try to balance between "they're just feral cats, who still have all the wild instincts (that one already goes against the full series logic c'mon)" and "well, yep, they can draw plans with their claws, they can create daylight gatherings just for fun and also can do mathematical expressions on 3-4th grade level". Seeing all the she-cats losing their personality after giving birth is just tearing me apart
Yeah they are humanizing the cats and frankly I don't like it. Like why does fighting need to be banned the structure of the society seems more like tribal then it is modern and there is something appealing about the tribal system of living to me at least why can't it just be that warrior cats need to fight with honor and not for their own will but the will of the clan ?
That seems like enough constraint to put on a cat petty battles are meaningless but some battles should be fought.
If that happens I’m straight up quiting
I actually think that's why some cats are making such a big stink. All these changes don't make sense. No fighting? Warriors switching clans to be with loved ones? It's a lot of change too soon. Swing the pendulum too far one way, it goes to hell. Swing it the other way, oh look you're back where it started. I think the point of A Starless Clan, could be to address all the changes. Especially the leaders can be deposed one.
It will take a LOT to depose a leader; 3/4 of the clan has to agree, medicine cats agree, the OTHER LEADERS (which makes no sense) have to agree...so I can see them doing this with Bramblestar, who doesn't seem to be in the right mindset to lead. Makes sense.
And what's going to happen with RiverClan? This is a murder mystery; we can't trust certain cats. So those cats aren't following the warrior code if they kill in cold blood; those cats we can fight but CAN they fight them cause they're clan cats? It'll be a lot of ethical and moral dilemma talk which I actually find pretty interesting.
Edit = StarClans approval doesn't matter for the clan switch. It's just saying that if the cat passes the trial then it is SEEN as StarClan approving the switch.
I mean, Bramblestar went through a lot after the broken code. He legit had PTSD now. He’s still recovering. So I’d understand if he’d step down from leadership. So I’d understand if Squirrelflight would become leader… but then removing him? Bramblestar is a noble leader and was a loyal Warrior. If he’s willing to go back to that, I think all of ThunderClan would understand that.
No, Bramblestar is not noble. He's rude. :D
@@XOrtKnight regardless of what Bramble thinks (or what the fandom's personal opinion on him may be...👁👁) he needs to take a break. After everything that's happened, ie. The Storm, The Sisters, The Imposter and so forth, him jumping right back into leading an entire Clan (at least 20 cats) as if he isnt affected by the traumatizing events that took place will send him into a downward spiral (realistically speaking at least)
But at the same time, I don't really think Sqf should be leader either, seeing as she's also been through so much as well. And as I've mentioned before, too much stress will send them both into spiral
@@XOrtKnight Bramblestar is pretty old, older than Squirrelflight. I think it would be better for him to get some rest for once tbh, aka becoming an Elder. Or maybe he can do what Rowanstar/claw did, where he just steps down himself w/o that complex process.
@@blackprimrose7541 Yeah, the books even showed him staring off into space and dissociating. Like, legit forgetting where he is. Even though I don't like Bramble very much, I do feel bad for him a little. Idk why he's even still leader at this point, as he isn't fit for the job anymore. I think Twigbranch would be a good replacement, just don't let it be Lionblaze!
Rewording the 2 new rules-
The clan may remove a leader from power should they be deemed unfit to lead by a majority of cats in the clan.
A cat joining a new clan must first prove themselves by whatever means the clan deems fit. This goes for cats both switching clan and joining from outside of the clans.
Honestly, I’m ready for this series to get new authors and story team. Fan writing has been better than this series has had despite 20 years of content. I
I mean- I kinda like the new rule in the number 10 spot. Remember Brokenstar? He never lost his nine-lives after ShadowClan drove him out and that would’ve been useful when Rowanstar let down his clan. But that’s a completely different story because Rowanstar knew he was failing as a leader and gave up his leadership and nine-lives. So that rule is kinda well.
The rule where you can just change clans is a… sorta good addition.. as far as we remember, some cats, such as Graystripe, Sliverstream, Bluestar, Oakheart, Leafpool, Crowfreather, Tigerheart, Dovewing, they all wanted to fall in love with cats from other clans. That rule is kinda like a… “I don’t like this clan. I never liked it” or a “I want to live with a cat I love.” Sort of situation. I approve these new rules.
They are good rules but they are too complicated and go against the style the original warrior code was going for. If they were short and less complicated it would give us far more options for the cats to go for, and fit with the original styles of the code.
Imagine if clans had different ways of dealing with unjust leaders? especially based on their varied experiences with them. If they did go with that then I'd prefer for all the different ways not to be listed in the warrior code but SHOWN to us. Or if they don't plan on giving a specific clan any unjust leader in future because it goes against plot. They could show us in another way.
I just don't want the changes to show up in the warrior code because I honestly prefer how it was simple.
@@theaveragecomment1014 I do too…
agreed, i think the new rules are either good additions or inconsequential because the books have been doing it for ages anyway. the cats constantly go against the code to help other cats, even more traditional cats like jayfeather and crowfeather, so whats the point of it being ‘illegal’ if it happens constantly and aleays turns out well?
This is why I think Nightheart will move clans! Hopefully it isn't to Shadowclan bc that means Sunbeam romance. I want them to move to Windclan, where Nightcloud is. I remember in the book's him saying how pretty she is or something like that. Maybe he could think about how much he loves Windclan and how much he feels miserable in Thunderclan. But no, he's probably gonna move to Shadowclan and be mates with Sunbeam bc that's ALWAYS what happens when a molly and tom become friends in these books 🙂
@@falcon_arkaig Hhh that's true. I really do hope he moves to Windclan as well. I haven't read up to that point but I've heard about the plot point. I think I'd like to continue reading if something like that happens. It just sounds so interesting!
Personally, I think the original had many flaws and were dumb in many ways, but that’s what I liked about it! I loved the forbidden romances (Even though Everyone knows there are too many) I loved that It was dumb so it would cause conflict and anger among the clans, and the book would be interesting. That’s why I really hate the new ones, they are so complicated for no reason, they try to make them better, but just fail miserably, they now are going against fighting in a book called “Warriors” And they’ve been fighting since that last 7 arcs. I just don’t know what they were thinking. 😑
To me it feels like the last few arcs (AVoS, TBC, and probably ASC now) start out sort of strong, then just roll downhill at the end. Like they either reach the peak of the arc too early and give us a book or two of fluff before the end, or the peak it almost at the end of the arc. For example, the ending of TBC was so unsatisfying; the first book was great and really caught my interest, the next few books kept the mystery going great, in the middle of it I finally rolled my eyes especially when it got to the big reveal and had to trudge along fluff the next couple books and then the ending was too sudden without any explanations about very important things. I think AVoS did it better but I can't remember much about the pacing, I'm just worried the same thing will happen with ASC. I really don't want the next book to come out later and pick it up just for it to either immediately tell you what you "hey here's the murderer" or "oh here's new mystery", but also not just give us a book of fluff without meaning.
the nine lives thing of a disposed leader is a unique problem. I personally think it would be interesting if they couldn't remove the previous leader's lives. having rogue leaders with too many lives could make some unique villains (a coalition of superpowered evil cats? kinda cool) , and/or consider how brutal it would be for clan members to have to choose to defeat the old leader nine times a la tigerstar 1. I do think though that the "starclan can only give out nine lives per clan" thing was always bs, it seems like a plot device, they should have just given nightstar nine new lives back when brokenstar was still alive. I mean really, if starclan could have always just taken the lives away what was stopping them from de-living the kit-killing clan-betraying brokenstar??? A ceremony? For real???? Like I know we have the canon example of rowanstar giving his lives back but pinestar didnt when he chose to stop being leader. What makes the writers think a cat disposed will willingly attend a meeting to take their lives away???This makes me feel like taking lives away supernaturally shouldnt be possible, and that giving new lives always should have been.
Honestly that would be really cool. It would give such a high risk to getting rid of evil leaders, and as such make for a more compelling story! Cats in rebellion plotting how to get rid of the remaining lives left, if they even know how many aRE left (previous leaders have lied about their remaining lives) sounds cool! And then cats of a clan who’s leader was exiled would be anxious heading out of the clan camp without a large patrol I imagine, especially if the former leader has threatened to kill those they can get their claws on. Plus, just the fact that leaders have many life’s mean that’ll they should be more likely to do risky things both for their clan’s benefit and for their own. This would make exiled leaders a far more major threat than the writing team probably thinks it would be.
I 100% agree, I do want to be that guy though and point out that I'm pretty sure Pinestar only had one life left and that was part of why he left, he wanted to spend that last life as a kittypet so he had nothing to give back without him just falling over dead
The 11th rule sounded nice at first, but then I realized that the Clan or the leader could use this to their advantage to be ableist by tasking someone like Cinderpelt, Jayfeather, Briarlignt, or Moth Flight with extremely difficult or near impossible challenges just to either make them feel terrible or to force them to stay in the clan. If your leader was a possessive friend, partner, mentor, parent, or someone who just needs a punching bag, this would be a terrible vague rule. Somehow they didn’t do anything about when a parent wants their kit to be in their clan, but the other parent opposes. And I STILL haven’t heard much about the med cat code if at all.
Why Moth Flight? I don't remember her having any disability
What I don’t like is that for the last few books, the threat to Clan life had always come from *outside* the Clans. After the death of Tigerstar I, no new power-hungry cats that had been born inside the Clans became leader (not counting Ashfur since he didn’t get nine lives). It just seems like all the possible tension from having a corrupt leader and the Clans trying to essentially destroy each other in arc 1 (e.g. WindClan being chased out and only ThunderClan going to help them; Bluestar being worried in the first book prologue that ThunderClan won’t survive) is gone now.
We have Splashtail now, fortunately.
I feel like they’re over-humanizing the cats at this point. To be fair, they were always anthropomorphic to an extent. But they had a lot more cat features in the first few arch’s. Cats are territorial and defend borders by nature🤷🏼
I wish instead of trying to continue the books by making changes to be looser with rules (like being able to change clans at will, essentially) they’d bring back traditions and rituals that they had in the first couple of series, pre-land change days. When was the last time we actually read about anyone keeping vigil after they became a warrior? Or traveling to the moonstone as an apprentice as a right of passage and to understand why starclan was important to them. Or grooming each other after meals in order to strengthen community and build bonds.
I think it would be a lot more interesting and heartfelt if they brought some of these traditions back, or made new ones. I don’t feel like the emotions of the characters are very relatable or palpable anymore. I’d like to go back to the descriptions of excitement and pride on a cats first night as a warrior while they kept vigil, and the trust their clan held in them to watch out for them that first time!
Yes! Bring back the traditions.. I miss those good old days. “Sharing tongues” was so sweet, and so was the clan entrusting new Warriors to guard for them. Literally the last time I remember the vigil actually being taken seriously was Into the Wild with Firestar and Graystripe, and I miss that so much :( Gonna go read the first series again.
Yeah, we need a cause for the Warrior Code to revert back to what it was with the exception of Bramblestar's addition to the Warrior Code. I missed the old days.
same here! i absolutely hate that erins still refuse that these cats are anthropomorphic, and because of that, all the she-cats lose their personality after giving birth, for instance. i absolutely hate that warriors are such smart creatures, but are still positioned as random stupid wild cats, which makes absolutely no sence.
@@spnch3955 at least the old OG series from the Original Series to the last series were still consistent. Ferncloud is one example of a she-cat queen that had remained consistently the same throughout the whole series, well during the three series after the Original series.
@@merafirewing6591 I'm very glad she's an exception, but.. Ivypool 🤧
I guess the clans are headed towards peace which is great for them but ultimately makes the story less exciting. In my opinion, the first series was the best, there was battle and emotion and it all seemed more likely for a wild group of cats. Second series was less exciting but *what happened* in the third and fourth!? First they gave cats superpowers then evil dead cats attacked ??? I wonder how many more series they’re going to try and make, surely this can’t go on much longer?
I agree, first arc was the best. I didn't even finish the broken code.
I stopped reading the books after Omen of the stars… I’m just so sick of TC hogging the spotlight constantly and like 50% of the clan being somehow related to firestar
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@@Jashinist-follower I stopped reading the books after Power of Three 🤣
I didn’t like that they gave the cats what are essentially super powers
Edit: I never actually read Omen of the Stars, but I do keep myself up to date with the events for the purpose of MAPs
THANK YOU. The first series really felt like...WARRIOR cats..plus, I met my favorite character there!
@@Jashinist-follower What?!? Why? ThunderClan is the best! Your tired of seeing OTHER Clans, you mean!
They should've added one more:
If a medicine cat chooses to have a mate and/or kits, they must have at least one fully trained apprentice and will not be bias in favor of ther kin when trending to sick or injured cats in need
I was fine with the new rule of a cat can switch clans to be with their mate but the rest but the rest was uneeded but I agree they could have cut alot of the wording out on some of the rules
The problem with allowing this, Greystripe was a PERFECT example. He went to Riverclan for his kits, but was never loyal to Riverclan. But even after going back to Thunderclan, he still wanted to protect Riverclan bc his kits were there.
The cat would be torn
Still want the medicine cat code to be changed. The whole "no mates or kits thing" was so petty
Agreed! Most clans have 2 med cats so it's not a huge deal if one is in the nursery for a bit and if said med cat needs someone to watch them while they go heal someone there are plenty of ways to keep that covered. Elders, other queens, their mate!
@@catandrobbyflores yeah. And again, Moth Flight's reason for making that rule was super petty. Just because her mate died and nobody could help her with her kits.
@@MelonTartVA
FR! She had the most unfortunate situation and decided that would apply for all medicine cats in the future.
In my opinion, Warriors is really going downhill fast. Two many background characters, weird/uninteresting plots and names, plus many issues like age gaps. People’s own series and OCs are becoming more interesting by the minute. I’m worried that this series will be the nail in the coffin, and more or less ruin the series. It’s still kind of fun to read them, but they’re just not as good as the first 3 series. I think that the next arc should have some crazy extinction event and get rid of all of the awful, unused background characters, keep a few good cats and basically start over. Kitty pets, liners and more bloodlines, eliminating inbreeding. Please. We need a change, or we need this newest arc to be good
I feel like they need a fresh new start as well. Maybe new clans, new location, new rules, different ways of life, actually keeping track of the characters this time, etc.
They should do a huge skip forward in time where all the characters (background and main) are all new cats, with no specified relations to the cats we have now
I been thinking of making my own warrior cats series, should I?
I get what you mean, but saying Warriors is going downhill fast implies it wasn’t like this from the beginning. Weird age gaps? Dust/Fern, Spotted’s crush on Fire. Inbreeding? Well, we basically had to invent parents for most first-arc cats, and that got messy quickly. Adding new cats in to fix that necessitates increasingly weird names so we don’t have too many repeats.
We’ve gotten pretty egregious dumpster fires lately (Spottedleaf’s Heart and Onestar’s Confession come to mind), but it’s important to acknowledge the issues have been present from the first arc. This isn’t new.
@@emmettrose5960 Yes we have seen that and that needs to change. It's just all of this, combined with previous issues and the whole Onestar and his apprentice thing that just kind of really started to piss me off. Not to say I don't like the series, it just needs to change
it sounds like the writers are forgetting that these are cats fighting for survival and not people facing mild inconveniences.
a cat hunting on another clan's border is treated with the severity of "aw man, i don't get seconds!", when it should mean weaker warriors and potential starvation. cats leaving their clan is a loss of manpower and a food supplier, or possibly even the only doctor, not a friend moving to a different town.
Isn't the deputy appointed by the leader? What's the point of giving the lives to the deputy if the deputy is probably corrupt too?
And the medicine cat may be in cahoots too.
Tbh I don't mind that they're shifting away from inter-clan conflicts and battles. We've seen a lot of those, and I'm sure they'll still happen now and again, but at the level of cultural advancement the Clans have achieved at this point (mediator role, Clans support each other in times of crisis, etc) it feels odd for them to constantly be fighting over turf for no real reason other than to prove they're stronger than their neighbors. In the early books, it made more sense because the other Clans were treated as totally foreign entities (Clans didn't know where each other's camps were, cats generally didn't know the names of cats in other Clans save for a select few) and were in general more warlike. I mean, Firepaw had to fight Longtail day one to prove his strength to the Clan. If that happened now, it would be considered cruel and unusual. The changes to the code that ask for less fighting already reflect the direction the Clans were headed in anyways. The last pointless border skirmish we saw in the main series was way, way back in book 2 of OotS. Having the Clans behave as a more united collective of different groups opens the door for intra Clan conflicts, which seems to be what this next arc will handle, and major external threats.
The rules make sense as the clans aren't barbaric feral cats looking for fights anymore..they depend on other clans, care for others, and realize loosing cats to dumb petty fights isn't the way to go to keep the clans from dying off. They're more civilized.
ok I got into this video thinking "change bad" but your comment really did a good job explaining the other side. Ever since the clans moved from the old forest they've had to work together so it makes sense (I only read to like halfway through the power of three so I don't remember super well but yeah there's my opinion).
Honestly I have a feeling that the Warriors website is trying to tease us and is going to forget the new code right away.
But if that doesnt happen, I’d like to see something: Leaders/medicine cats are told the new code, and they’re against it, so they tell the leaders and other cats in the next Gathering, and the cats go savage with the new change of the Warrior Code, trying to make Starclan understand that it was a bad idea to change the warrior code so much. They lose their faith in Starclan but certain cats still have some faith.
I think this would make the arc name “A Starless Clan” even better with the clans losing faith in their ancestors.
What I enjoy about reading the books is all the the battles and limitations within the clans. Having cats go against the code and face the consequences in actuality instead of being forgiven, (like Mapleshade being exiled from Thunderclan) Is what I enjoy. Watching this just makes me feel like the clans have gone soft. There is a warrior code for a reason, for both limitations and basic morality, of course murder has to be illegal but now my precious forbidden romances are allowed in a way. There's no way to make good drama now if there cant be border fights or everyone has gone softer than a kittypet so they wont anyway. Anyway, just my opinion, it seems ruined and I just like alot of drama. At least I have OC clans for this crisis.
Honestly there was rarely boundary fights anymore to begin with, but seeing fighting and drama is the bread and butter of this series I believe the code may be up for change or be ignored more often. I still think having crossclan relationships stricyky forbidden is stupid, I get the drama, but it feels like an easy cop out. Eitherway, I don't feel like there is much to worry about.
Don't worry Akira after the rebel cat murder plot is wrapped up the next series will have like 8 random fox attacks and maybe if we're lucky like 5 or 6 badger attacks to keep the plot spicy....Maybe even beavers again? Or worse...kittypets?!
I love the idea of a giant group of kittypets attacking one of the clans.
@@redthefoxisWritingUpAStorm I mean they did it for Skyclan and I think it Dawn of the Clans if memory serves. I would find it funny for big tough shadow or thunder to be destroyed by kittypets. Not the other clans tho they're always getting the short end
I may be only on the second arc right now, but from the videos I have watched, I think what is happening is, as the clans realize each year that they can't fight (or just don't need to) they will become one clan again, yet this leaves me to my theory, I call it "the loop" the warriors will live as one until something happens thus the story will repeat itself, a new firestar, a new bluestar, doing the same thing till we are back here, think of it as the alcatraz map on CoD zombies, where the same thing will continue to happen untill something changes, like one new firestar killing tigerstar, not scorge.
Thanks for the 11 likes, this is more attention I get on RUclips now then back when it was just the film maker thanking me for something!
I don’t know, I’m not completely opposed to the new code just yet because I’m curious to see how the authors will introduce new conflicts now with these rules in mind. We already see cats disagreeing with the new code in River and it’s clear that’s going to be a main focus of conflict, and I’m curious to see how cats who are loyal to this new code, versus cats who are against it are going to try and fight for what they believe. Knowing the Erins, this might be wishful thinking, but I’m hesitant to completely discredit it just yet. As for all of the weirdly specific vs non-specific rules, I honestly think that fits considering the Clans’ current dysfunction with trying to get these rules to stick. I feel like the criticism readers have towards this new code is exactly what’s going to happen in the actual books and that the code is meant to be a mess.
As for the weird involvement of StarClan, I think at this point we can just accept no one is actually setting boundaries for how much StarClan can intervene. It completely throws out old plot points, but I don’t think anyone in Erin Hunter gives a damn about it anymore. It’s annoying, but unfortunately now it’s the reality of the series -_-
It's more easy to break a rule than to follow one.
might be just be me misreading the tone of voice but- I mildly disagree on some rules being unreasonable. (i get the joke of "oh the cats can't fight anymore or else it's against the warrior code!!!" but it's not to my taste.) Here's my take on it. (skipping 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15 as they're mostly the same.)
1. _Defend all the Clans, even with your life. Your first loyalty is to your Clan, but all cats who follow the warrior code are your allies. Each Clan must ensure that no other Clan falls._
Possibly referring to what happened with Skyclan and Windclan or the great battle against the Dark Forest. "Your first loyalty is to your Clan" probably means that border disputes are still pretty common and you can't just stop fighting other clans because "ey we're friends now cuz new warrior code." It doesn't apply to simple border scuffles and more-so just refers to dangers that are a threat to the clans, be it natural disasters, the dark forest, etc. Essentially: *"You can't leave other clans for dead when it's a danger to everyone that isn't evil."*
2. _Nevertheless, each Clan is proud and independent, with traditions that must always be respected._
I do agree that it's really really vague, don't have much of a rebuttal on this one beyond maybe misreading it? The whole conflict between code 3 and 2 could just be awful circumstance [or just taking the worst example out of it but not sure]. The tradition part could be referring to each Clan's unique traditions (i.e Windclan Warriors sleeping outside instead of dens to be closer to Starclan [unsure if this is canon]. Since Leader's word is no longer law, Tradition, I presume, can't be changed so easily.)
4. _Elders, queens, sick or injured cats and kits must be fed before apprentices and warriors. Unless they have permission, apprentices may not eat until they have hunted to feed the elders._
Not sure about this one either. Could possibly be when an apprentice hasn't eaten in like- days? and is starving??? i very much agree it's odd.
16. _Boundaries must be checked and marked daily. Challenge all trespassing cats - but a Warrior must always remember that all cats follow the warrior code._
i'm surprised this rule wasn't mentioned in the video because it sorta supports my point with code 1. or maybe i just missed it. The point with _all cats follow the warrior code_ is pretty stupid because obviously not all cats do that- or maybe it's just bad wording and they meant *"Don't forget that when you're fighting a trespassing cat, you have to follow the warrior code."*
I agree completely with code 10 and 11, they're way too long and have too complex of a system. It could be shortened and the whole process could be handled similarly to the renaming ceremony.
anyway that's just my opinion and you're free to have yours.
edit: forgot 10 and 11
I think the new code is still an improvement, though it's not perfect and definitely overly complicated in some areas. Changing Clans was implied to be against the code, and Dovewing, Graystripe, and Yellowfang got a lot of trouble they shouldn't have because of it. This new code makes things more peaceful and allows horrible leaders to be deposed, which is still much better than the old code. I don't even think it will necessarily lead to crappier writing, because all you need to do is make a cat that doesn't obey the code or have a corrupt medicine cat who won't depose a leader, or have other creative ways to make interesting stories/romances/battles
I totally agree. I understand the hestitance to accept these changes to the Warrior Code given that for the longest time these were the ones that provided us with so many memorable scenes in the series but I believe this change will prove to be for the best in the long run if handled right. It gives way for so many new conflicts and memorable scenes we never could have seen if we followed the same formula we have used for almost two decades.
@@thatoneweirdgal8469 Thanks for your reply! Exactly, that's what I was thinking. Also, it just makes narrative sense that they would change the code in these ways, due to the problems the old code caused.
The fact that they changed and deleted so much but they couldnt think of a single rule that went "also hey its probably not so bad to have kids with cats from other clans so theyre not horribly inbred"
Even the Erins know that the "dont mate outside your clan" rule is the only thing keeping these books alive
I'm still pissed about the arc where the code is changed being called "a starless clan" while the arc where starclan has vanished is called "the broken code" SWAP THEM FFS
why doesn't this have more likes????
That 10th new one feels like it only exists for two reasons
1: when another power hungry ambition filled leader appears like tigerstar or brokenstar
And 2: so the main characters have an easier way to overthrow a corrupted leader without it seeming like they are relying to much on the plot armor crutch
I don’t think I’m right, but A Starless Clan gives me the hint that some clan or group will be formed who doesn’t follow the code or worship StarClan, I wouldn’t blame them a lot of the code sucks. Either way A Starless Clan about to be chaotic as hell 💀
exactlyyyy
Still waiting to see the Warrior Code revert back to it's original code, it's more easy to remember than trying to remember the whole category. If I was a warrior of the equivalent to the old guard, I'm definitely sticking to the code as I remember it.
The sunning rock thing made me laugh
Aw, I really wanted the medicine cat rule Mothflight made up to change around a bit. Disappointed. Hopefully this arc takes an interesting curve!
StarClan: “We have no impact on the living Clans whatsoever.”
Also StarClan: “Here is a specific set of rules you need to live by and if you don’t you’ll be outcast from society or go to Hell!”
This is why I hate God /j
but it was the living cats who made the rules and introduced new rules. Not the dead ones.
Stop being a hypocrite and dont drag God in this book series. It has nothing to do with it
@@lumeanoastra1252 omg 💀
I think many of these could easily be rewritten to be smoother/shorter. I do agree that the vibe of the warrior code is more simple guide vs written laws, but if they wanted to go in the direction of laws as culture in the clans changed, that could be interesting if it was fully committed to
I dunno I’m kind of expecting that in the future it’s going to go full circle again. The clans will unite into one, they will stop allying with others and live off on their own either alone or in family/friend units and basically become rogues and loners, a small group will stay together as the remnants of the clans, they will eventually lose tradition and become a much smaller group, make their own traditions with names that are somewhat similar to what they once were in clans, with young cats and older cats having different places in hierarchy and all, one unlucky cat will get killed in grown cat initiation, and the twolegs will begin building a new building or renovating the old barn area, the group of cats will get scared of being driven out and will leave to go live in the mountains. The tribe cats will have already died off or moved out. They will form a new group of cats in the mountains, and will send a group of cats off to find better hunting grounds, and they come across the forest, a different section of it but still near the Twolegplace, branch off into several separate groups separated by their hunting and living preferences, fight terribly, get told by recently dead cats to make new rules and become official groups who have religion with dead cats, and the clans will be reborn again as if they were brand new, and it will end with Rock and Midnight watching them, as they have watched them for several cycles before since the beginning and will continue to watch them cycle until the very end.
Honestly I'd read that
While the new rules will undoubetdly lead to less interesting storeis (unless they fundamentally change somthing about the theme of the series), I can't help but think : "Yup, makes sense for the cats to come to those conclusions. They're really evolving as a society."
Oh boy😅 I guess they always had some inconsistencies 😶 I didn’t realise it was now effy😅
How sol makes a comeback XD
Ngl, upon seeing the thumbnail, I was like "Wait! Warriors aren't allowed to fight now?! What's the point of calling them warriors then?!" Also, 3:48 it bugs me that they added the word 'five' when they really didn't need to.
I honestly appreciate the change to the 8th and 9th rule. It reminds me of the Brokenstar incident, where Nightstar couldnt even get nine lives to lead his clan JUST because Brokenstar was still alive (even though Brokenstar had clearly been exiled from Shadowclan).
So imo, thats a good change.
Super off topic but I feel like at the end of the Warriors franchise everyone is going to die in some way, wether it’s a battle or a sickness. Either Warriors will never end, or it will have a sad ending.
I Wholeheartedly hope that the change in the warrior code is intended for the book, and like some people have suggested, causes many clan members to leave. I am literally praying that this isn't the final version of the code. I think that the clans should realize that the code wasn't the problem, it was them. They loosen up some rules, and then the series can get a fresh restart. I hope we can also get a change of scenery, perhaps they travel again. I would be willing to endure that tediousness for a simple change of scenery. Settling into the lake was one of my favourite parts about the second arc.
Oh gosh what’s happened to the code now
I honestly dislike the new code, it just- Doesn't click in and fit. But we have to accept it now, though any roleplayer can just say they stick to the first clan code, it's a change and not for the worse, yet not for the best.
It’s kindve annoying how the Clans are always talking about upholding the Warrior Code and how it’s bad if they break it but then whenever someone actually does break the code they either get a minor punishment or they get off scot-free (cough cough Breezepelt cough cough) I also with the Clans could just come up with a basic set of like two to five rules not SIXTEEN and these rules could basically just be the rules they already but better, like throwing out the whole tradition thing cuz that’s stupid, and just saying “hey respect each other and don’t murder each other” and I feel like if the Clans did this that would solve a lot of their problems.
To be honest yeah, unless you're Mapleshade😂
@@galaxydeathskrill5607 yeah lol
you know what, I'm just gonna write my own warrior code with elements of the old one and the new one. the new code is complete sh*t
Basically the new Warrior Code erodes the Sovereignty of each individual clan. Effectively this makes each clan more like the States of the USA (Like Texas, Florida, and California) instead of a sovereign nation (Like Europe France, Germany, and Spain; The EU: is trying to erode the sovereignty of Europe)
I think I like the old code better but the new one should be flushed out more.
A better rule to end the series (IN MY OPINION) would be: no more clans (to assimilate all four Clans into one) (they have the same beliefs and traditions), create a new home stay together, no fighting each other, protect each other,medicine cats can have mate and kits if they want. And any cat could have a mate and kits without worrying about being from another clan. Leaders must lead without abuse their power, ex: Tigerstar, Brokenstar,Clearsky,etc.
Simple as that. 😄
The last two rules reading like laws could possibly be foreshadowing for more cat court scenes
If they specify that the clans need to respect traditions, they need to ADD traditions! What point is there of respecting traditions if there are no traditions to respect in the first place? They all do the same thing every day!
I feel like the new rules are terrible, not only since all these cats died for their clan and now they died in vain and worst is the cats can now have mates across the clans, do they know how MUCH bloodshed it took for that rule to be peace and now it’s like “oh hi Bluestar, Mapleshade and all of ya, guess what? We made it so Mosskit and your 3 kist death was in vain”
How does getting rid of it make the deaths in vain?
@@dragonstouch1042 Mosskit, Patchkit, Petalkit, Larchkit and many more deaths
@@2simpleofamango281 I asked how it makes their deaths in vain. It only proves it should’ve been done long before this.
@@dragonstouch1042 it’s like saying ok so you all die but now we will Allie with them like what?
@@2simpleofamango281 so it’s okay to let future generations suffer needlessly for a stupid rule?
I’ve always had the firm belief that anything not in the books _is not_ canon. Even Field Guides and Manga should be taken with a grain of salt. Also any retcons in later books take precedence over older ones, e.g. not every she-cat is a queen or Dovewing has green eyes.
nooo the word of the leader is the code was my favorite rule!! it was so dumb but it gave excuses to leaders who didn't want to follow the code - which made for fun villains that were still respected for long enough to do some damage - and added more to uprisings, cause they weren't just fighting against their leader and the loyalists, but the very code they live by
Now if a leader's breaking a code, a cat can just say nope without any inner turmoil that they themselves are breaking the code by going against their leader. wheres the drama? the suspense??
the two new rules are horrible oh my god why are they so wordy? these are rules that are passed down orally, to children, how on earth are they supposed to be this detailed? not to mention they also remove so much conflict :/
I didn't get the notification for your video for some reason, I would have been here yesterday but I only found out today that you posted, but I liked the video either way!
They still didn't make a part of the code specifying not to murder your Clanmates?????? But oh no, you better not poke that WindClan warrior because he is trespassing and making death threats! That's illegal!
Warrior cats coming closer to developing an elaborate law and trial system does have one positive though...
...Cat Saul Goodman.
Sage Gorsecat
Great video! Everything you pointed out was exactly what I had been thinking when I first read the new code! Recently it has felt like warriors is changing so much and not always in a good way. I
have a suggestion: create a more positive video reviewing the best parts of the new warrior cat series, or have a poll asking people of which new character is the favourite, or review popular fan theories about the new series, or list upcoming MAPS you're excited for, or something similar. There's so many questionable things and rapid changes happening in warriors at the moment that it would be nice to be reminded of why we all love and cherish the series so much and keep the warriors spirit alive. Anyway, that was just an idea. Im a big fan of your videos! Hope you are doing well. 😊
something i think could be a cool turn for the series is to just... move along. I'm talking MAJOR time skip. New characters, none of this weird baggage from the older books. Cool references to old characters like elder stories. Just seeing how a future Clan is impacted by the changes in the most recent books, and the problems they face. With all this turbulence of the new rules, all these old characters bogging down the story (all this bellyaching about kin and mixed bloodlines) and everything, I just think a cool reset for the series is necessary, set a few generations in the future to avoid the repetition of the story. (Enough about Firestar and Tigerstar's descendants!! I'm tired of hearing about Squirrelflight and Ashfur when that arc was like 20 books ago!) Even if we have characters who are implied to be related to old ones, but that's not their whole character (cough cough Nightheart), I think that'd be enough to liven up the series.
apprentices basically asking others to eat and then actually getting denied to eat, their just gonna starve to death.
Having the warrior code function as a law rather than a set of traditions would work, *but* there are a few things that would need to be done:
-show a change in attitude towards the warrior code
-some sort of legal precedent should be established in-universe
-keep traditions in existence but have them be their own thing, although they would probably influence the code
-the books should be more open to changes in the code, laws change all the time
-Adding kitty-lawyers. Someone would need to memorize the code, also we need more jobs in warrior cats. Plus, the idea of kitty ace attorney is both hilarious and fascinating to me, which is why I'm adding a rank that basically functions as lawyers/librarians to my semi-crack fanfic and entirely rewriting the code. If anyone wants to know more just ask.
-Don't make fighting illegal
-Actually consider the wording
I mean… the whole point of the code is that NOT every cat follows the code. It’s what set the clans apart in the first place. Are the writers even trying anymore?
A lot of cats don't follow the code because it has flaws and needs to be changed
The thing that sucks most about the code changing is the only book I own, rather than having borrowed from the library, is outdated. 😂 Enter the Clans, which contains the Warriors Field Guide: Secrets of the Clans and Warriors: Code of the Clans. I'd like to own more, but people talking about how the quality's gone downhill scares me away. I fell off of reading in the middle of the fourth arc with Dovewing. No particular reason, just stopped keeping up with the series.
I think the only super editions I read were Yellowfang's, Bluestar's (both of which I loved), and the Skyclan one. Getting an older super edition I haven't read might be a good way of getting more out of the series from back when people considered it "good". Any recommendations?
Omg. It’s gonna keep just getting worse now hm?
Defend all the clans? Wha- that literally makes no since. There is going to be a lot more forbidden love now lol
And the truce is gone?! THERE CAN LITERARY BE A WAR NOW!! ITS LIKE A TEENAGE PARTY!
Also I was first to comment so no saying first >:P
The truce is still there. The part about no fighting is gone because it already says that. That's what a truce is. They can't fight during gatherings.
Well there won't be more forbidden love now, cause it's not forbidden anymore. Also, the truce is not gone, they just phrased it differently
Actually courtroom drama with cats is gonna be kinda fun ngl
Yes.
“Breezepaw stole the berries!“
“What? No I didn’t, Willowtail did.”
“Who’s Willowtail?”
“How do you not know who Willowtail is!?”
“I’m not very social, okay?”
“Wait, no, I think Sparrowpaw did it.”
“What’s your evidence?”
“What’s YOUR evidence?”
“I saw it with my own two eyes!”
“Well, I saw it with my own two eyes, and I didn’t see your own two eyes!”
“I thought you were at the ceremony!”
“No, that was Breezepaw!”
“So it wasn’t Breezepaw?”
“Yes!”
“Fine!”
“Also, I think Willowtail was on medicine cat duty.”
“Wasn’t she on nursery duty?”
“How do you know?”
“This morning, I heard her talk about it!”
“Directly to you?”
“Yes!”
“Well, I don’t understand how someone on nursery duty could go to your home, and steal berries, those kits are restless!”
“I didn’t know that!”
“You have a kit, how do you not know that?”
“My kit’s chill!”
“Whatever!”
“Calm down. I declare…”
“Sparrowtail as Guilty!”
Is it just me at this point, that half of code is changed so StarClan would come back permanently so the cats have to make and change the code to do that?
Maybe because everyone was pissed off about Leafpool's and Squirrelflight's trials and having to get cats approve of Tigerheartstar and Dovewing since they did break the code but made it right in the end, Leaf breaking it off with Crow, Squirrel protecting her sister, then we all know about Tiger and Dove at this point.
I haven't read the newer books but StarClan is still gone right? Or am I missing something?
I only knew Bristlefrost killed Ashfur by drowning him in the Dark Forest pond. I don't know if everything went back to "normal."
Why couldn't they have made a rule saying medicine cats are allowed to have mates?!
I hope the apprentices can just call the new big leader code just being called "leader code." That would suck having to list all the steps each and every time their teacher asked for the whole code.
Akira can we have an updated version of the “what order to read warrior cats in” since there are more books now ?
2:08 as a very longtime fan of this series the sass here got a laugh out of me
11 should be worded something like: Cats can change Clans with good reason as long as they pass an assessment given by their new leader
I think the new rule 2 isn't an equivalent of the old one. I think it's like "respect culture" sort of? Like how you shouldn't shame riverclan for fishing or windclan for their structure of digging people and those who run through the grasslands. How each clan does things individually should be respected. This rule may cause clans to start being a bit more different from each other! They all share common things like believing in the code and starclan but may start to develop differing traditions.
Also I agree on what you thought about the 2 new rules..they are unnecessarily complicated! And starclan is thrown in them for seemingly no reason. I guess I can understand starclan now having the abilities to revoke lives? Like it messes up the canon yea, but the books have been going on for a long time..by now they may of decided they didn't like how old things were and are choosing to fix some problems they didn't address earlier such as "oh no a leader is evil..welp gotta wait till they kick the bucket I guess to pick a new leader with 9 lives"; if they can reborn cats (sort of) and gift lives it makes sense they could simply revoke lives if the ones who gave said lives agree to take back their blessing.
It also looks like to get rid of a leader is way too hard, harder than it needs to be; like why the hell do the other leaders have to consent to it? It's not their leader and clan so they shouldn't get a say! 3/4th makes sense as 50/50 is a stand-still but the medicine cat being required to vote the leader out or the leader stays is silly
WAIT A MINUTE. In the original 15 rules, it says nothing about med cats not being allowed to have kits, yet they just follow a nonexistent rule that wasn’t in the original code anyway? WHAT THE HELL-
Edit: IT DOESN’T EVEN SAY THIS IN THE NEW CODE BUT PEOPLE STILL SAY “oh med cats can’t have children or a mate because of the code” EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN’T FREAKING MENTION THAT IN THE CODE AT ALL. ISNFRBHSDWFHIBDKSNWH
This new code is giving me the Clans from Mo Dao Zu Shi vibes, which is funny because right now I'm writing a warrior cat story just for my own mental health (meaning i wont be posting it anywhere) that's HEAVILY based on that donghua lol
Since there are clans in both pieces of media, I thought I might as well mix them together. These clans have a different way of electing leaders though, as it's based on bloodline rather than who's the most capable. Which can lead to some pretty interesting things lmfao. I call these 5 special families of cats the "Blessed Bloodlines," since the whole story revolves around them being blessed by (I haven't come up with a name for their version of StarClan so) StarClan. If you're a direct descendant of either the leader of deputy (deputies being the heirs to the leadership position, whether that be a sibling, a child, or a neice or nephew), then you're born with a special physical attribute of your clan. That could be anything from patterns, colors, or even manes. The point of that is so you know from physical features who is who.
Exciting stuff though I can't wait till I actually START writing lmao. Right now, I'm putting together a slideshow of character info, plot stuff, etc. I like to sort things lol. I'd give a list of the clans and the quotes they live by but I feel like I'm oversharing already so I won't
Whats the point in clans being clans if all clans are a priority. I feel like if Skyclan hadn't come to the lake we would have the same rules.
10; Here's the thing, if the leader was really leading that terribly, the medicine cats would've noticed and there would be no need for another cat to challenge the leader's title.
11; So if the cat seems worthy enough they can just change clans as they please. At least we'll get some forbidden ships, we have 'none' of those. And medicine cats, what if there was only one medicine cat and they decided that they were bored of their claN?
I like how we all wanted medicine cats to be able to have relationships and the Erins were most likely aware of this, so they changed the code but it had nothing to do with medicine cats.
whenever I need to check something from the warrior code (for, say OC's and their backstories, or for RP) I'm going to stick to the old code!
Why's in gonna be called 'Warriors' if they're aren't gonna fight anymore?
if this is what the new books are gonna be like, I'm super disappointed.
NOOOO THERE ARE MORE BOOKS
NOW IM CURSED TO READ THEM ALLLLLLL
I'm upset that they still haven't made the rule to help Medicine cats solve the solutions of having mates and kits.
They could have other cats, no matter if they know herbs or not, warriors or not, they can be kit sitters to look after the kits once the medicine cats are healed from birth. Heck! They have an Apprentice to help them out when they're ill! That's what upsets me. Medicine Cats can go ask for someone to look after the kits while recovering, same with the female leaders.
But that leads to, who will be the kit sitters or permanent queens to look after the kits that are not their own.
I believe the rule the first medicine cat made that it's for the best to protect the new ones, doesn't help anyone at all! It's a pointless rule that can get anyone hurt. I love Leafpool and how her rebellion against this rule doesn't help anyone, even her how she wanted to have a family to carry on her kin. That's why she asks her sister cause she can trust her to look after them while she's working. There's a thing called, Help!! Get help from the warriors or Permanent Queens to kits it the kits!
I hope one day the writers make a novel to end the Medicine Cat rule cause this is out of hands/paws when one wants a family and doesn't feel alone when they die with no family.
Omg I'm a big fan and love ur content but I tried to find ur discord server and idk where to find it
I really miss the old rule…😢
I hope the code changes again after this arc but I doubt it will…
This isn’t a surprise to me, at the start I kinda felt like it would get worse and worse
hey people i would like to object to bramblebuttstar being leader of thunderclan following rule 10 of the warrior code who will stand with me to take down the Walmart tigerstar clone 😁
I dunno
I feel like the DF battle should've been in PoT and then that should've been the end
Holly'Leaf should've changed the warrior and medicine cat codes to be more just
And Starclan should've STAYED a distant being that delivers prophecies rather than a massive group of dictators that control every move of the cats that exist now