What Mike said: "We're not going to play the story for at least a week so people can play for themselves" What I heard: "I'm going to be playing Island Sanctuary for a week"
I think Mike could pretty safely do both the Islands and the Criterion/Variant Dungeons. While there's bound to be a little interesting lore in the latter, I don't think either will be major "spoiler" content, the "React harder, streamer! Are you crying yet?" content.
@@jaeusa160 I mean, the only downside is that Criterion/Variant dungeons aren't until 6.25, they aren't coming at 6.2 launch. So we got 'til...October? Until we get that.
one week later mike: so 1 week since patch. gonna start MSQ so you guys who done it will not get spoiled us: umm. we havent done the msq yet. there is this island...
Well before the release of Endwalker, Asmongold had his interview with Yoshi P. One of his first questions was "Is FF14 considering doing significantly harder small group content?" You should look up that interview. Yoshi P paused, sort of smiled, and said he couldn't really address that question in detail....but players should pay attention to future Live Letters, and that it was a concept that they were definitely exploring. It seems clear now, that they were already working on this new dungeon concept back then and it must have been pretty far along. I think he mentioned that they were playing around with much harder single player events as well (which might be in our future).
100%. Yoshi P is no stranger to market research and seeing what their competitor is doing at the time, and since the massive influx of western players in Shadowbringers, I have no doubt they've been trying to recreate M+ a la Final Fantasy in a way that will work for this playerbase. Excited to see them experiment, even if it doesn't work out.
Yeah the Squadrons still exist but they definitely evolved into smarter NPCs in the Nadaam for example and then into Trusts. Likewise with the Diadem which evolved into Eureka, with Bozja being tweaking on Eureka. These are "exploration" content. The Diadem zone itself, as to not waste a beautiful zone, got turned into a gathering zone for Ishgard Restoration... which is kind of like expanded Ocean Fishing to all 3 gatherers. Island Sanctuary is something new but with some similar vibes even. I am now once again mad that WoW's Warfronts and Islands were abandoned rather than iterated upon. Legitimately the most fun things to do during BFA. I quit before Choreghast but without the chore aspect, I'd imagine the content concept was actually pretty good and could've been very fun, if not abandoned...
Even i say squadron are superior , they have more dmg than trust system because the mastery system can give until 60% more dmg to each unit , and you can say when they engage a fight and when not , for me is very good for lvl dps , they are fast , the only issue you first need to lvl up this npc and training a lot until ghey reach max lvl and max mastery
What I really like about about it tho is that it's still intact in the game. So, early on you can level new classes with it (and see outdated abilities that your squadron members use that aren't available to you when you play the current version of those classes now), then move right on to Duty Support and then eventually Trusts... the way the Devs feed one system into an updated version of it without scrapping what was already there is really cool to me. I think the devs' ability to stitch together a bunch of systems and keep them working with the larger whole of the game shows they really learned a lot from their mistakes in 1.0
This is true in some aspects, but there is a level of customization that Squadrons have that duty support does not have (yet). So I'm almost hoping they integrate both systems. In Squadrons you can customize the NPCs glamour and specialty (the latter more of an illusion, everyone should be using Attack buff lol). I don't think they will integrate the systems anytime soon, and I don't want them to spend resources on it frankly, but I suspect in the far future - this topic will come up again. When they decide to make this game support single player completely, this will come up again.
Yup. They do that by showing off gearsets through printouts which the game director holds up to the camera. Funnily enough, there's a few that he didn't show off that were caught on camera when he was ruffling through the pages. It's such a dorky way to tease things and I love it.
@@ChrisMorray I see this as evidence of Yoshi P's adoration of mystery novels. The strategically-placed hints early in a story that tantalize or even get glossed over until they're revealed later in the tale to have a deeper meaning. He just seems to have so much fun leading everyone into our desire to analyze and pick apart everything. He KNOWS we'll do it and he plays us like a fiddle.
@@tngdragon Yup... Even with the in-game story you can see it. In Shadowbringers there was a sidequest (involving quite a lot of other sidequests) regarding the void, and it's left as a "We'll have to wait a while" ending. Now the MSQ is focussing on the void, which is a surprising twist considering that questline is quite pivotal for the lore.
@@tngdragon Also the shirts he wears during fanfests to tease new jobs. You have people out there predicting what new jobs will be release because he wore a shirt with Spiderman's face on it.
The people who are miffed, I can't feel bad for them. It went like this. Yoshi-P: "This is not meant to replace housing." (Some) Players: "THIS IS TOTALLY GOING TO REPLACE HOUSING YA'LL!" Yoshi-P: "I'm telling you: This. Is. Not. Replacing. Housing." (Some) Players: "HOUSING! WOO!" LL Releases (Some) Players: "WTF? THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO REPLACE HOUSING, BRO!" 😑
There is something to be said about squadrons though. While I would say it is abandoned, and rightfully so, it did set up a model for what eventually became duty support. Because you can do a select few dungeons with Squadrons and they are extremely powerful if you invest in them. Thats actually how I level my dps classes from 20-50. Is it a grind, hell yes, but it is fast and efficient way of leveling and a safe place to practice a class you are not comfortable with. I've ran over like 400 missions with them so I am a bit biased xD. I loved the idea of squadrons, just sad it never got improved upon.
I think the problem lies within that you need to invest in squadrons first before they become powerful enough to feel satisfactory. Most people just don't want to level up another thing for the sake of leveling up their character.
I also spent an absurd amount of time investing into my Squadrons. Had a fully maxed team of Roegadyns and had all the different attack and defense orders unlocked on every single character. Took me a very long time but it felt good to say I'd finished it and it made levelling lower level classes really easy. Kind of hope they do add to it in the future.
@@TheSattocs Yeah, I'm a huge squadron fan too. Once they're built they make the 1-60 levelling really efficient. Even with instant queues they're generally faster than random parties, and at least competitive with optimised ones (World Record synced Sohm Al as a solo player (Squadron or Automatchmaking) is a squadron run at 10:34, while the world record for a premade party of people all heavily optimising for the fastest time is only 30 seconds faster at 10:04).
I make (made) heavy use of my squad, too, especially when level dps jobs. There are parts of the system I prefer over Duty Support, such as being able to select their races, jobs, glams. But OMG are they dumb as dirt about aggro. I'm grateful they evolved into the trust. The jury is still out for me on Duty Support as I haven't made much use of it so far, but I'm assuming it's scripted similar to the trust.
@@mosselyn5081 I've tried them, they are better with mechanics for sure. I think they are a friendlier system for new players so I am happy for those guys at least. Like you, I also love the customization and feeling of...having command of something, so to speak. I see why they didn't improve upon it, but damn I can't shake the feeling that there's wasted potential. I don't think they will, but if they got rid of squadrons one day, I at least hope they add that level of customization to Duty Support. Like the ability to choose your roster and such and such, customize them.
You sound so happy lmao it's great to see. I'm really looking for the raid story and fights. Hope the music for the bosses is a little more hype than tier 1. Island too seems like a nice time sink.
As a WoW player of many years, I'm incredibly excited for you to get through the Savages and eventually Ultimates as I've just recently cleared the first three ultimates and enjoyed them an awful, awful lot. I'm sure you'll have a lot to say about the encounter designs compared to World of Warcraft's. Keep up the great work!
I think it's more that he pulled the wrong clip from the trailer, cause it sounded like he was talking about the crystal Lahabrea was holding. I certainly could be wrong. Just my impression.
A patch in a game i don't play sounds more interesting than the expansion for Wow. Blizzard really have dealt themselves the worst hand, and nerfing dragon flying in the old world for made up reasons, is enough for me not to pickup the expansion and go back to playing wow. FFXIV and its dev teams focus on making fun stuff and letting people play as they like without feeling like they have to guide everyone into the same hole is refreshing! Sadly nobody else seems to be paying attention.
@@AR15andGOD not to mention they "nerfed" soar and not dragon riding since you so far cant dragon ride in old world but hey who really cares just be mad.
@Senshi because they obviously didn't remove borrowed power and mandatory grinds like torghast and island expeditions in dragonflight to show a change in design philosophy?? Oh wait
Even with the smaller raid sizes in FF14, I still struggle to get a solid consistent raid group, because I have a core 3-5 people who are always around to play and then we have to fill in the gaps. So a savage dungeon for 4 people will be perfect, and I hope the community enjoys it so they put more dev time into this idea. I actually think that going the pure M+ route would be a mistake in FF14, and I think focusing on static savage level dungeons, and stuff like the deep dungeons is a better avenue for harder small scale content. And this is coming from someone who's favorite part of WoW by miles was M+.
If you don't like Island Sanctuary, that's okay. It goes without saying, there's a little bit for everyone and I think that's the best kind of patch to have.
I'm really looking forward to the new raid tier, between the last tier, the alliance raid and what's been shown in the trailer, it seems they've listened to all the complaints about all the square/circular arenas. Here's hoping they can put it to good use and make some fun mechanics out of it.
They not only didn't say Island is a housing replacement, they specifically said from day 1 that it absolutely will not be, yet people were still expecting it 🤡
Just like when Nintendo said: "This indieDirect will feature a suit of smaller and indie titles who deserve a stage without being overshadowed by the bigger condenders in our lineup" Nintendo Fans: "WhErE iS mAh MeTrOiD!??!11!!1!!!" Truly two things are infinite...
I am not going to lie. The Cafe at the End of the Universe had me floored with how much thought they put into this game, even just to make a pop culture reference. In the Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the Restaurant at the End of the Universe's actual title is "Milliway's, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe" Milliway's. The Lopporite naming mechanisim is a set up for a Douglas Adams joke that is now a canonical part of the 6.2 content. Brilliant.
It's a funny coincidence, but the Loporrits naming scheme predates FFXIV (it's a reference to Namingway and the Hummingways in FFIV). And the naming scheme is not just ~way, it's verb-ing + ~way, which Milliway doesn't properly match. Also, it's Milliways, not Milliway.
I would argue that Squadrons dont really fall into abandoned content. It is just content that is "finished." Abandoned content, at least to me, is content that is no longer supported by the devs, AND it no longer serves a purpose to the player. Squadrons are still useful to have if for no other reason that you are able to get grade 3 free company equivalent buffs.
yes, i also have that frame of mind, it is not abandoned, it is finished, you can still get plenty of milage out of the squadrons, i use them everyday and is super useful and functional
they will be varying styles of carrots cause they will be made on the moon by the lopporits. and they will be locked behind gathering quests. PepeLaugh
That contest did have cool serious winners in addition to the joke weapons. So you might be right and they evolve. Which direction they evolve in, joke it serious or vice versa, I dunno. It *is* Godbert designing them, after all.
I'm excited for everything. Also seing Mike going through savage raids will be a blast :D each blind extreme clear was a lot of fun and now we go to new heights :D
Really looking forward to Preach’s slow burn through the savages. At least only the second tier of Coils has a savage version so shouldn’t take forever. Nael Savage tho 👀
I only just started professions today really, after over a year of playing. This game has so much content that you could go years without even touching crafting and still not see everything!
I literally only started cooking in FF after realizing I needed a profession to get the moogle/dwarf rep mounts. It's really cool, but even now I've never found a reason to push it to level 90. Hopefully this patch gives me that push.
I’ve been saying it for a while, especially so after the trailer. Scarmiglione will be both the dungeon and trial boss. He’s always had two forms. You “kill” him in the dungeon, then he goes to his 2nd form for the trial. Granted this is Endwalker, and everything I’ve guessed for Endwalker has been completely wrong and I’m probably wrong on this too. If so, I’ll be just as hyped anyway
@@AlleluiaElizabeth yes which btw there are some minor lore reasons why that's considered a considerably high level of magic usage not many summoner can summon something and it can't wonder far from their person but also is on a limited timer the fact that tatarus carbuncle is still out there (possibly) suggest that she has a lot more power than she thinks she just doesn't know how to use it properly.
@@AlleluiaElizabeth Tataru's Carbuncle is roaming around Labyrinthos. And another thing is that Carbuncle got "unbound" from Tataru and became a wild being, like any animal. Sharlayan scholars suggest that a Carbuncle's persistence is tied to its owner's pool of aether and will not survive if left alone for too long, like a battery-powered toy. Somehow, Tataru was powerful enough to give so much to her Carby
This isn't a mad comment but I'm not sure extremes are somewhere between normal and heroic. Even with your own progression, you have spent multiple hours on the vast majority of extremes. When was the last time you spent multiple hours on a wow normal boss? The last raid tier in wow i cleared was Nathria and I don't remember spending any real time on any of the normal bosses, maybe 10 pulls max. I could see the argument for Savage being between heroic and mythic, but extremes are around a heroic level, maybe not a heroic end boss but certainly around your average heroic boss.
As someone with more raid experience in WoW than 14, when it comes to having a proper group with you, I'd definitely put Extremes up at AotC boss and low Mythic, maybe a few of the uncommonly overtuned Heroic fights. It does vary wildly from fight to fight in Extreme. Savage is Mythic level, even high Mythic. You can't just compare raw time because WoW has so much more downtime in between pulls. Ultimates taking 600-700 pulls is only matched by outright broken Mythic fights. Mythic Zovaal was like 300ish pulls. I think even Mythic KJ which had to be hotfix nerfed repeatedly, was like 500-600 pulls I think even including all the wasted pulls on an "impossible" version. All of this must assume a proper guild group with some effort. Because if it's pugs, Pug Normal is harder than half of Mythic. Week 1 LFR for fights like MOTHER in Uldir were harder my AotC Uldir reclears. And the same will be true for gambling in PF in 14.
@13:55 WoW doesn't offer challenging Party content either though. Arbitrary time trials are artificial difficulty. "Hey we bloat HP and Damage until Time becomes an issue and sometimes mechanics just break entirely!" Compared to a raid boss where sure enrages exist but strictly as a dps check, are you performing adequately... but the key thing is the boss will usually just flipping kill you as the primary check. The challenge is whether or not you do it right AT ALL, not how fast you do something that is elsewise 100% trivial. That's why I don't respect M+. It's trash. I respected MOP and WOD Challenge Modes, where racing for time was a secondary concern and the primary challenge was that the dungeon would murderize you outright. But even in WOD, they started trying to make it into a #ESports #BigPlay #PogChamp #Hashtag! Because that's how NA game devs are and the quality of their games suffers as a result. Because you know what's entertaining? Stupid crap and shenanigans. You know what's not entertaining? Measured skillful gameplay.
You're not wrong, but it seems you're speaking from ignorance. M+ difficulty comes from at the fact that at a certain point, not interrupting a spell cast will likely 1-shot a DPS or your healer, or aggroing a patrol and not controlling them properly does the same thing. Just because it looks like a steamroll when you watch the top teams does NOT mean that's what it actually is. You do mention challenge modes, so maybe you're not ignorant now that I think of it, but doing things right is harder when there's a timer. I hated the timer myself up until shadowlands, but once I got into it with 2 other people from IRL it became a fun challenge. I just think it's silly for you to say WoW doesn't offer challenging party content. Have you even seen the new M+ dungeon pool? Have you seen people run them, or run them your self? I'm 99% sure you have not. To be fair, I have not run them, but seeing others run them at the level they're accustom to looks quite difficult. Anything well-practiced can look easy, which is why I accused you of ignorance at the start of my post. Either way, if you want to actually measure difficulty, you need to know the particulars instead of putting it all into one box called "Mythic +." Why? Because otherwise you're breathing hot air and nothing else. You also need to compare them relativistically; FF14 light party content vs M+ is not even in the same ballpark. doesn't matter what they have done marketing-wise...it's about the effort required to succeed. "Because you know what's entertaining? Stupid crap and shenanigans. You know what's not entertaining? Measured skillful gameplay." Not to keep going on about it, but this in itself makes me realize again that you've never pushed WoW 5man content to any meaningful degree.
no knowledge of M+ but I HATE time as a factor of rating in games like valkyria chronicles. i want to explore and do strats. dont hurry me game just for that. in certain missions sure but ALL missions its a chore
@@3lit3gn0m3 For transparency I was a roughly top 5% Mythic raider, not quite enough for Cutting Edge usually, but typically every other boss downed. And M+ is garbage. You can rightly whine "Well it is harder on a timer than not on a timer" but a run timer is not mechanical difficulty. Yes, dps/gear checks are a thing to an extent and exist as time limits, but solely so that raids cannot stack 4 tanks and 12 healers to trivialize the encounter design. I don't care that M+ just "Make bigger number til number arbitrary one-shot" and "Make timer shorter til group fail". It's garbage artificial difficulty. I assume we both played Legion, so we both did Blackrook Hold(?) the undead elf dungeon with the dreadlord at the end. Take the first boss for example, Raven Marrowgar or whatever it was called. Later for my relic skin tone farming on some alt I went in there and unfortunately at 10+ or whatever, its roomwide AOE was an unavoidable one-shot due to the raw damage modifier and maybe Tyrannical. There was no skill, there was no counterplay, I had no invuln on the class. I think I was Shaman and just had to res through it. The mechanic isn't supposed to BE an undodgeable one-shot though. That's not how the fight is designed. If you handle the add phase properly, it's just supposed to hurt a lot. But because Activision is a bunch of LAZY garbage hacks who can't design real difficulty and can't even try to beat their own encounters, it was just yet another random broken piece of crap in a game full of random broken trash. Your rant tells me you're a M+ Hero who needs to stroke your own ego because you never progged real content, and you think checking raider.io to make your lazy meta team of AOE stun and AOE burst somehow makes good players. It doesn't. It's just lazy meta stacking, which is what almost all of M+ was. And, to be fair, it's what RWF level competitive raiding is too. Unfortunately, in my small guild, I was one of the few people who put effort into alts to flex for fights. I don't respect fake challenge. I don't respect just making numbers bigger or timers shorter until failure is assured. That doesn't challenge people to play better, it challenges people to CHEESE harder. And the meta becomes naught but AOE Stuns, Invuln and Invis cheesing. You do high M+ after all, are you gonna tell me the meta isn't maximizing cheese?
@@Navi_xoo "Having to focus interrupt something is more of something people learn that you have to use addons / keybinds to reliably do. After wiping the dungeon once or twice you kind of just know what to interrupt, wow so crazy! Like yeah it one shots you if you don't kill them fast enough / interrupt... I wouldn't really say that's a high skill thing just something you have to die to see." You just explained any mechanic ever. The difficult arises when things don't go as planned during pulling. "Healing and Routing are challenging in M+ but again you're talking about pushing pointlessly past 20's unless you plan to go into the MDI. " I agree here, actually. "If your idea of interesting content is repeating the same dungeon for 2 years with bloated hp / one shot mechanics then good for you. " Nope. Running the same dungeons for 2 years is boring as hell...which is why they've changed it. The new M+ pool is almost completely different. You say "one shot mechanics" so vaguely, yet pretty much every game has them. If they exist and are preventable, that's the definition of 'difficult' in my books. Calling it 'bloated' doesn't change that, because as you've said, not everyone needs to do 20s+ "The affixes are also dogshit i mean they like practically removed 2 of them in shadowlands alone. Nobody enjoys the affixes besides the seasonal one if it isn't also shit." Affixes are good and bad. I enjoyed them for S1 of SL, but I barely did S2 and beyond so clearly it wasn't good enough to stick around. I personally would prefer more affixes with randomization between each key, similar to PoE maps; the seasonal affix being the only mainstay. Anyways, I don't agree with you on the big picture, but definitely think M+ has squandered potential.
@@jaeusa160 I was writing a proper response, but then I read: "Your rant tells me you're a M+ Hero who needs to stroke your own ego because you never progged real content," And realized you're a jaded asshole. My favorite time in WoW was clearing sunwell in TBC. I am not a M+ hero and only seriously got into it in Shadowlands. Maybe if you read my post you'd have a clearer picture. You know, where I said: "I hated the timer myself up until shadowlands, but once I got into it with 2 other people from IRL it became a fun challenge. " I don't do high M+. +15 was my endgame, because I wasn't competing. Legion M+ did have bullshit, and there's definitely poorly tuned encounters. That said, your one example isn't something I experienced in Shadowlands. I've watched top end players do +30s and it looks intense (at least for the healer, which I am as well.) Yes, the meta is cheese, but EVERY game has a cheese meta...even mythic raiding; it may simply seem less apparent since you have more factors and players to work with. "And the meta becomes naught but AOE Stuns, Invuln and Invis cheesing." Shadowlands S1 meta was kiting. I haven't kept up with it switched to FF14 after S1, but from what I've observed it's not what you're describing; teams are actually using pull and boss strategies rather than finding ways to be invincible. I haven't seen a night elf shadowmeld M+ run since Legion. Looks like my post was longer than I intended.
FFVIX does have small group high difficulty dungeon content even before the criterion dungeons, it's Palace of the dead and Heaven on high, the deep dungeons.
On the Sephirot trial: I ran it with some friends at min ilvl/no echo in preparation for the Unreal, most of us being Savage raiders and several of us having cleared ultimates. It took us almost 2 hours to do it without a guide. Most of us had farmed it unsynched, some had done it min ilvl before, but it's certainly a tough one. Bring good healers and tanks because there's a lot of damage to heal and the tanks can get killed even if the tanks are doing everything right, and a mobile DPS to adjust for others because there's some randomness to it.
12:00 made me realize right now I'm the person Blizz wanted LFR made for. The only problem is literally every single choice they made. In FF14, I have every job maxed- but I don't touch end game content. I'll see it, eventually, significantly later, when I can roflstomp it, just so I can see the story. The "challenge" content everyone else enjoys? I don't want to dilute that, but I do want to see the story. Me personally I don't get gud because I don't care enough to get gud. The fact I can get side content like the islands? It's why I keep giving them my money.
I can definitely see why people would be a bit miffed about Island Sanctuaries not being player housing (I'm not for the record, I just wanna jump in and have fun), because when I look at what this could have been with player housing, it would've probably been the best individual housing implementation that we could get, assuming what you want isn't a neighborhood, but just a house. Everyone would get a house if they wanted one, without having to win a lottery against who knows how many other players and then regular housing districts would be an FC exclusive thing. But I'm just ready to jump in and see what this island is all about, definitely one of the most interesting features imo, alongside the criterion dungeon. Also, regarding the Adventure Squadrons, seeing as they allowed you to do dungeons with them in patch 4.1, it's my belief that it served as a testing ground for implementing the Trust system. I definitely would like to see what else they could do with them tho.
I think it would be cool if Mike tried this raid tier from the start so he can get a good idea of what the difference between savage and extreme and the demand that players are required to tackle rather than doing it later when over geared or when they have are old content.
I think he's just simply working his way up there. I'm sure by the time 6.3 comes out he will have gotten to do most if not all of what he's wanted (unless he goes and plays a lot of other games in the meantime). Plus now he's max level this tier so he probably will try to tackle savage this tier, maybe just not on week 1.
preacherman im sure your fc has already said a million times but for gathering just go to diadem until you can start the collecting chains - there's a site gillionairgirls they have really good guides for gathering but more importantly crafting - then they'll go over melds and the gear/tools you should get along the way - you can cheese the guides a little and just make HQ gear instead of socketing lowe materia which me personally i never had to do your mileage may vary
Ok, this might be silly, but I am super excited that healing ticks won’t cause enmity. So as a White Mage, I can throw up a regen at the START of a wall to wall pull and the mobs won’t attack me for that. I’ve had tanks ask me to NOT try to heal them until the end of the pull. I’ve gotten used to it, but dang, they just make wall to wall tank pulls so much easier to heal.
i allways liked how the devs of ff14 are like the stark opposite of wow where ff14 devs are open and sincire and very respecting of players the wow devs seem more stuck thinking they know best and soo unable to admit mistakes of things they fucked up its honestly mind boggling but i guess thats eastern mindset vs western mindset
Just think of how many hundreds of Garrisons you can fit on the Island Santuary because it's so damn huge, puts that Garrison feature in that game to shame.
I look forward to almost all of it. Variant and Criterion dungeons are amazing as we have small teams in my FC so far, can't make a static full party but light party is ez pz. Island sanctuary I'm curious how that'll work as the planting and buildings and such seem limited.
Island Sanctuary seems like Endwalker’s version of Doman Enclave, honestly. With a bit of Ishgardian Restoration thrown in with the gathering and crafting concepts. I mean, the Firmament is still useful to people, even though it’s rebuilt now. I imagine they’ll also likely have island specific quests that unlock as you build it up.
Criterion Dungeon top of my list for sure! I recall vividly *bitching* during Heavensward to my friends on Discord how much it bothered me to do dungeons in XIV. Having to do them for tomes and stuff but them being the most braindead of the braindead content. It was cool a few times but it got old SUPER quick for me to do them. I feel nowdays we have SOOOO many ways to get tomes I don't even need a dungeon if I am not feeling like it (bless you Papa Yoshi) but knowing we're getting a little extra spice brings back those memories and makes me HYPE!
Technically this is an announcement of expansion features. These were things mentioned to be released after the initial expansion launch finally coming out.
You gotta remember, Mike comes from WoW. Where traditionally 'patches' were mini expansions that not only made the expansion launch content obsolete, but often came with a brand new system unique to the patch. He's not used to thinking of it as a whole package XD
It would be nice if they updated squadrons to use in lieu of the new Duty Support system, as they're your hand-picked NPCs and there would be investment in carrying them forward through to stormblood. Much like how from Shadowbringers you can level up the main cast via the Trust system.
even squads, sure are a bit abandoned due to trust system, are still great, that weekly mission to get XP scrolls is a must do while you level alt jobs xD
I foresee Island Sanctuary eating years of my life eventually, especially my current character who has grown war weary and just wants a place to take a much needed relief. Kind of like how Kratos in GoW4 is, tired of endless war, the valor of youth lost in memory to a life surrounded by death and just wants to eventually retire to someplace calm, soothing and quiet BUT will answer a summons if the threat is dire enough.
Mike, if you want to level a Gathering profession, do Fisher and do Ocean Fishing. Super EXP farm that will get you to 90 faster than anything, AND you can have Nobbel drag you into doing it too.
Seconding this. I have a joke alt who's a mid 30s warrior/level 80 fisher. It took longer to get to the mid 30s through normal content than it did to get to 80 doing ocean fishing. The only problem is, that character has no money to buy level appropriate fishing gear! 🤣
I'm not going to unlock Island Sanctuaries until I've done everything else from the patch because I KNOW that will be the only thing I do as soon as I've unlocked it.
Data mining use to be common, but yeah the past year or so it's become rarer to come across without really having to find it, it seems. You best bet the first step or two of the manderville weapons are going to be everywhere though!
Maybe its Hopium, and just incase I am trying to keep it contained - but someone pointed out how the island sancuaties occupies the same feature slot as Ishgarian Restoration. And I CLEARLY recall Yoshi P being impishly tight-lipped about whether or not IR indicated Ishgardian housing, and people arguing over it in forums and reddit (and clearly, we now have Ishgaridan housing). So I am hoping they will eventually add individual housing-like system! But it looks like fun regardless
most players would refuse to watch/read datamines if theyre exist because we fkn love the live letters! its like christmas, birthday and hanukka together
@@Sewersyrup yeah that might be and counts for the hardcore raiders, but i am quite sure most of the players dont want to get their story spoiled and love to explore new stuff by themseves. back in the wow days everything felt like work and so it was more than welcome to know whats to grind next and where it is. the story is dead since mop anyways.
What I am interested in this time was what was in patch notes (preliminary), and not the Live Letter, which is what the video was not obviously based on: How far are they going to revamp the old content again. I already knew the new stuff is coming from the last live letter so I only glossed over them this time as well. It's pretty dank though, how they are keeping on the track record of redoing old stuff to make it a modern era content: Solo duty Steps of faith with big set pieces and kino moments, 4 man king mog cuz it's such a stupid fight with 8 people, trusts for HW dungeons up until the Vault with actual 'scions' this time just like the first time Trust showed up in 14 ( SHB ) also therefore reworking some parts of the dungeons and the bosses. Looking forward to going back and facing despair once more when we couldn't save the boy
Just to clarify, King Mog will still be an 8-man, but they completely rebuilt the normal version so it's a good introduction to 8-man content, since for new players using only Duty Support, Mog is now the first content you need other players to do, and the first ever 8-man content. EX will not be changed though, so it will remain the beautiful mess that it is now XD
The way they handle patches is so good. The communication, the pacing of content, the trailers, it's one of the best things about the game that I think even non-players can understand.
I’ve managed to gear samurai, ninja, reaper, healers, and tanks and as I was starting to feel like “egh I guess I’ll level something?” The patch trailer dropped. Perfect pacing indeed
I'm looking forward to all of it, I am not much of a savage raider because I don't like raiding on a schedule but I have 3 close friends that are often on and we are willing to take a stab at the new 4man dungeons.
variant/criterion dungeon isn't until 6.2.5 so it'll be at least a month or two for that most likely. Trial series is probably going to be the 4 fiends as they seem to be leaning into FFIV stuff and historically we don't get the next MSQ-related trial until the .3 patch of the expac. Which could still be Azdaja but that's gonna be a while lol.
I can't pick a specific thing to be excited about in this patch, but I'm definitely excited for the MSQ, the story for the new raids, and I guess in that case, the new criterion/variant dungeons!
I was asked if I was going to cancel Mount Farms this week with the new patch drop. I said "No, unless not enough people show". We'll see. I plan on hitting MSQ first, then Hildy, Tataru, Variant Dungeons etc
I own FF14 since its release, but never came around playing it. And now I feel more entertained by it then I did with WoW. Yes WoW has more combat then FF14... but for some reason FF14 has so much stuff to do... from every expansion, which unlike in WoW is not just the gimmick of the XP and dropped in the next to never be done ever again. In FF14 the Roulettes,mm the story or the fact that stuff is just plain fun makes you do the older stuff. IK am pumped for the patch!
I am really interested to check out island sanctuaries bc god knows how much time I've sunk into Stardew valley... But what I'm really hype about is seeing the new trial and savage raids!
I've always loved you geeking out on this. I've wanted to get into it but there's so much to it I find it overwhelming. Also the daunting task of finding a comunity and all the resources gathering that I'm years behind on makes it hard to want to switch from WoW. Though I an looking forward to Wrath.
Yoshi P > Ion Hazzikostas. Can't stand how smug that little man Ion is. His ego makes it impossible for him to follow up on player feedback. He thinks he's better than all the WoW players and their opinions are irrelevant. So glad I didn't buy shadowlands! 🤣
said exactly what the issue with Mythic+ in WoW and why I get upset when people use it as an example. it _is_ a glorified speed run, its lazy design and removes all the flavor from the dungeons which completely ruins the experience. I didnt want that in XIV, though since their version of harder dungeons is its own separate thing is fine, they can continue making the regular dungeons and make new criterion dungeons for those who enjoy that sort of thing.
What Mike said: "We're not going to play the story for at least a week so people can play for themselves"
What I heard: "I'm going to be playing Island Sanctuary for a week"
I think Mike could pretty safely do both the Islands and the Criterion/Variant Dungeons. While there's bound to be a little interesting lore in the latter, I don't think either will be major "spoiler" content, the "React harder, streamer! Are you crying yet?" content.
@@jaeusa160 I mean, the only downside is that Criterion/Variant dungeons aren't until 6.25, they aren't coming at 6.2 launch. So we got 'til...October? Until we get that.
You know it. I know it. Everybody knows it.
@@Dotoku14 ok asmon. 😂
one week later
mike: so 1 week since patch. gonna start MSQ so you guys who done it will not get spoiled
us: umm. we havent done the msq yet. there is this island...
“Do you think I’ll like Island Sanctuary?” Says the hardcore WoW raider turned RP and story enthusiast. 😂
Well before the release of Endwalker, Asmongold had his interview with Yoshi P. One of his first questions was "Is FF14 considering doing significantly harder small group content?" You should look up that interview. Yoshi P paused, sort of smiled, and said he couldn't really address that question in detail....but players should pay attention to future Live Letters, and that it was a concept that they were definitely exploring. It seems clear now, that they were already working on this new dungeon concept back then and it must have been pretty far along. I think he mentioned that they were playing around with much harder single player events as well (which might be in our future).
Mike did a reaction on that interview I think
100%. Yoshi P is no stranger to market research and seeing what their competitor is doing at the time, and since the massive influx of western players in Shadowbringers, I have no doubt they've been trying to recreate M+ a la Final Fantasy in a way that will work for this playerbase. Excited to see them experiment, even if it doesn't work out.
@@MinhNguyen-vq9ry he did. He even compared yoship's smile when asked that question to Steve Job and Bill Gates iirc
5:58 Squadrons was the baseline for Trusts, technically “abandoned” but truthfully it just evolved.
I agree. Plus, I think they're still relevant if you want to grind your way to 50 or so on a DPS class in dungeons.
I mostly use them for tikets to get gold saucer buff on mgp earnings
Oh, never thought of it that way 🤔.
Yeah the Squadrons still exist but they definitely evolved into smarter NPCs in the Nadaam for example and then into Trusts.
Likewise with the Diadem which evolved into Eureka, with Bozja being tweaking on Eureka. These are "exploration" content.
The Diadem zone itself, as to not waste a beautiful zone, got turned into a gathering zone for Ishgard Restoration... which is kind of like expanded Ocean Fishing to all 3 gatherers. Island Sanctuary is something new but with some similar vibes even.
I am now once again mad that WoW's Warfronts and Islands were abandoned rather than iterated upon. Legitimately the most fun things to do during BFA.
I quit before Choreghast but without the chore aspect, I'd imagine the content concept was actually pretty good and could've been very fun, if not abandoned...
Even i say squadron are superior , they have more dmg than trust system because the mastery system can give until 60% more dmg to each unit , and you can say when they engage a fight and when not , for me is very good for lvl dps , they are fast , the only issue you first need to lvl up this npc and training a lot until ghey reach max lvl and max mastery
I'd argue that squadrons laid the foundation for the more popular trust and duty support system. So not "entirely" abandoned.
Now I'd want that Command Squadron's be refurbished, like them having jobs instead of base classes.
What I really like about about it tho is that it's still intact in the game. So, early on you can level new classes with it (and see outdated abilities that your squadron members use that aren't available to you when you play the current version of those classes now), then move right on to Duty Support and then eventually Trusts... the way the Devs feed one system into an updated version of it without scrapping what was already there is really cool to me. I think the devs' ability to stitch together a bunch of systems and keep them working with the larger whole of the game shows they really learned a lot from their mistakes in 1.0
Squadron led the way to Trust and eventually Duty Support system, basically
This is true in some aspects, but there is a level of customization that Squadrons have that duty support does not have (yet). So I'm almost hoping they integrate both systems. In Squadrons you can customize the NPCs glamour and specialty (the latter more of an illusion, everyone should be using Attack buff lol).
I don't think they will integrate the systems anytime soon, and I don't want them to spend resources on it frankly, but I suspect in the far future - this topic will come up again. When they decide to make this game support single player completely, this will come up again.
This is how a market leader plans, develops, and pushes out consistent quality content.
Yes, I completely agree. But this YoshiP dude is pretty okay at it too, I guess
Yup. They do that by showing off gearsets through printouts which the game director holds up to the camera. Funnily enough, there's a few that he didn't show off that were caught on camera when he was ruffling through the pages. It's such a dorky way to tease things and I love it.
@@ChrisMorray I see this as evidence of Yoshi P's adoration of mystery novels. The strategically-placed hints early in a story that tantalize or even get glossed over until they're revealed later in the tale to have a deeper meaning. He just seems to have so much fun leading everyone into our desire to analyze and pick apart everything. He KNOWS we'll do it and he plays us like a fiddle.
@@tngdragon Yup... Even with the in-game story you can see it. In Shadowbringers there was a sidequest (involving quite a lot of other sidequests) regarding the void, and it's left as a "We'll have to wait a while" ending. Now the MSQ is focussing on the void, which is a surprising twist considering that questline is quite pivotal for the lore.
@@tngdragon Also the shirts he wears during fanfests to tease new jobs. You have people out there predicting what new jobs will be release because he wore a shirt with Spiderman's face on it.
The people who are miffed, I can't feel bad for them. It went like this.
Yoshi-P: "This is not meant to replace housing."
(Some) Players: "THIS IS TOTALLY GOING TO REPLACE HOUSING YA'LL!"
Yoshi-P: "I'm telling you: This. Is. Not. Replacing. Housing."
(Some) Players: "HOUSING! WOO!"
LL Releases
(Some) Players: "WTF? THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO REPLACE HOUSING, BRO!"
😑
Like, even during the LL, people were correcting those but nope. Either those people couldn't see the messages or they just can't read.
I don’t play this game but I have already seen several messages about it not a replacement 🤣
It's actually so nice to see Mike hyped as fuck about a game, after I watched him be beaten down and angry/despressed over wow for so long.
There is something to be said about squadrons though. While I would say it is abandoned, and rightfully so, it did set up a model for what eventually became duty support. Because you can do a select few dungeons with Squadrons and they are extremely powerful if you invest in them. Thats actually how I level my dps classes from 20-50. Is it a grind, hell yes, but it is fast and efficient way of leveling and a safe place to practice a class you are not comfortable with.
I've ran over like 400 missions with them so I am a bit biased xD. I loved the idea of squadrons, just sad it never got improved upon.
I think the problem lies within that you need to invest in squadrons first before they become powerful enough to feel satisfactory. Most people just don't want to level up another thing for the sake of leveling up their character.
I also spent an absurd amount of time investing into my Squadrons. Had a fully maxed team of Roegadyns and had all the different attack and defense orders unlocked on every single character. Took me a very long time but it felt good to say I'd finished it and it made levelling lower level classes really easy. Kind of hope they do add to it in the future.
@@TheSattocs Yeah, I'm a huge squadron fan too. Once they're built they make the 1-60 levelling really efficient. Even with instant queues they're generally faster than random parties, and at least competitive with optimised ones (World Record synced Sohm Al as a solo player (Squadron or Automatchmaking) is a squadron run at 10:34, while the world record for a premade party of people all heavily optimising for the fastest time is only 30 seconds faster at 10:04).
I make (made) heavy use of my squad, too, especially when level dps jobs. There are parts of the system I prefer over Duty Support, such as being able to select their races, jobs, glams. But OMG are they dumb as dirt about aggro. I'm grateful they evolved into the trust. The jury is still out for me on Duty Support as I haven't made much use of it so far, but I'm assuming it's scripted similar to the trust.
@@mosselyn5081 I've tried them, they are better with mechanics for sure. I think they are a friendlier system for new players so I am happy for those guys at least. Like you, I also love the customization and feeling of...having command of something, so to speak. I see why they didn't improve upon it, but damn I can't shake the feeling that there's wasted potential.
I don't think they will, but if they got rid of squadrons one day, I at least hope they add that level of customization to Duty Support. Like the ability to choose your roster and such and such, customize them.
You sound so happy lmao it's great to see. I'm really looking for the raid story and fights. Hope the music for the bosses is a little more hype than tier 1. Island too seems like a nice time sink.
As a WoW player of many years, I'm incredibly excited for you to get through the Savages and eventually Ultimates as I've just recently cleared the first three ultimates and enjoyed them an awful, awful lot. I'm sure you'll have a lot to say about the encounter designs compared to World of Warcraft's. Keep up the great work!
The crystal that Y'shtola holds is the crystal that held the map to Meteion, the one that Hydaelyn gave you. She even says so in the trailer
I think it's more that he pulled the wrong clip from the trailer, cause it sounded like he was talking about the crystal Lahabrea was holding. I certainly could be wrong. Just my impression.
yea, I think he was referring to the clip of the guy from the raid who was holding an actual memory crystal, the yshtola clip seemed to just line up
A patch in a game i don't play sounds more interesting than the expansion for Wow.
Blizzard really have dealt themselves the worst hand, and nerfing dragon flying in the old world for made up reasons, is enough for me not to pickup the expansion and go back to playing wow.
FFXIV and its dev teams focus on making fun stuff and letting people play as they like without feeling like they have to guide everyone into the same hole is refreshing!
Sadly nobody else seems to be paying attention.
I’m sorry but that sounds like bullshit
@@AR15andGOD I feel the same as OP, tbh. But it's more about the "There goes ANOTHER thing" instead of a singular reason.
@@AR15andGOD not to mention they "nerfed" soar and not dragon riding since you so far cant dragon ride in old world but hey who really cares just be mad.
@@AR15andGOD Or it's yet another indication that Blizzard really hasn't changed their game design philosophy all that much...
@Senshi because they obviously didn't remove borrowed power and mandatory grinds like torghast and island expeditions in dragonflight to show a change in design philosophy?? Oh wait
Thank you Preach for this update, your energy and hype throught this video was so insanely high that i could not look away even for a second!
Even with the smaller raid sizes in FF14, I still struggle to get a solid consistent raid group, because I have a core 3-5 people who are always around to play and then we have to fill in the gaps. So a savage dungeon for 4 people will be perfect, and I hope the community enjoys it so they put more dev time into this idea. I actually think that going the pure M+ route would be a mistake in FF14, and I think focusing on static savage level dungeons, and stuff like the deep dungeons is a better avenue for harder small scale content. And this is coming from someone who's favorite part of WoW by miles was M+.
If you don't like Island Sanctuary, that's okay. It goes without saying, there's a little bit for everyone and I think that's the best kind of patch to have.
people say they dont like eureka. went to anemos and i liked it.
eureka people saying i wont like pagos. but im here now and enjoying it so far
I'm really looking forward to the new raid tier, between the last tier, the alliance raid and what's been shown in the trailer, it seems they've listened to all the complaints about all the square/circular arenas. Here's hoping they can put it to good use and make some fun mechanics out of it.
that 1 alliance raid boss arena was great!
I'm ready to forget what year it is when Island Sanctuaries drop
It seems pretty lame honestly
@@omensoffate reminder that bozja 2.0 died for a scuffed animal crossing
@@ich3730 if island sanctuaries replace anything it's Ishgard Restoration. Bozja 2.0 probably died for the graphics and old content overhaul
I don't like it cause it reeks of squeenix intervention and reminds me of garrisons but I hope people like it. Not for me but that's ok
@Elemental Physique I’m not talking about catering content. The content itself just looks underwhelming
They not only didn't say Island is a housing replacement, they specifically said from day 1 that it absolutely will not be, yet people were still expecting it 🤡
Just like when Nintendo said: "This indieDirect will feature a suit of smaller and indie titles who deserve a stage without being overshadowed by the bigger condenders in our lineup"
Nintendo Fans: "WhErE iS mAh MeTrOiD!??!11!!1!!!"
Truly two things are infinite...
if i make it my house, it will be an housing system, i don't have a house, i don't care about it, but i'm very excited about island santuary...
I am not going to lie. The Cafe at the End of the Universe had me floored with how much thought they put into this game, even just to make a pop culture reference.
In the Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the Restaurant at the End of the Universe's actual title is "Milliway's, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe"
Milliway's.
The Lopporite naming mechanisim is a set up for a Douglas Adams joke that is now a canonical part of the 6.2 content. Brilliant.
It's a funny coincidence, but the Loporrits naming scheme predates FFXIV (it's a reference to Namingway and the Hummingways in FFIV). And the naming scheme is not just ~way, it's verb-ing + ~way, which Milliway doesn't properly match.
Also, it's Milliways, not Milliway.
@@delroth This is why you don't get invited to parties, bob.
I would argue that Squadrons dont really fall into abandoned content. It is just content that is "finished." Abandoned content, at least to me, is content that is no longer supported by the devs, AND it no longer serves a purpose to the player. Squadrons are still useful to have if for no other reason that you are able to get grade 3 free company equivalent buffs.
yes, i also have that frame of mind, it is not abandoned, it is finished, you can still get plenty of milage out of the squadrons, i use them everyday and is super useful and functional
I think the new armor sets coming in 6.2 are amazing looking, and I can't wait for 6.2.5 to see what EW's relic weapons are gonna be
I can picture them starting out as the joke weapons from the contest and then morphing into some really cool looking weapons at the end.
they will be varying styles of carrots cause they will be made on the moon by the lopporits. and they will be locked behind gathering quests. PepeLaugh
That contest did have cool serious winners in addition to the joke weapons. So you might be right and they evolve. Which direction they evolve in, joke it serious or vice versa, I dunno. It *is* Godbert designing them, after all.
I'm excited for everything. Also seing Mike going through savage raids will be a blast :D each blind extreme clear was a lot of fun and now we go to new heights :D
Mike: 6.2 is amazing and jam packed...
Me: The Tonberry has a Floor Inspector outfit!!!!!!!!
Really looking forward to Preach’s slow burn through the savages. At least only the second tier of Coils has a savage version so shouldn’t take forever. Nael Savage tho 👀
Coil itself is savage level. Coil savage is actually a harder difficulty than savage.
Bruh it's gonna burn his asa
I only just started professions today really, after over a year of playing. This game has so much content that you could go years without even touching crafting and still not see everything!
do you see how many FISH are in the game?! its NUTS!
I literally only started cooking in FF after realizing I needed a profession to get the moogle/dwarf rep mounts. It's really cool, but even now I've never found a reason to push it to level 90. Hopefully this patch gives me that push.
I’ve been saying it for a while, especially so after the trailer. Scarmiglione will be both the dungeon and trial boss. He’s always had two forms. You “kill” him in the dungeon, then he goes to his 2nd form for the trial.
Granted this is Endwalker, and everything I’ve guessed for Endwalker has been completely wrong and I’m probably wrong on this too. If so, I’ll be just as hyped anyway
I'm calling it tataru is going to try to summon another carbuncle and she is going to be able to summon and control a proto-carbuncle
We have already established as fanon that this IS Tataru's Carbuncle. It somehow got to Elpis and, well, look at it now. Now it returns for blood.
While her original carbuncle is still out of course. Likely touring the moon while she’s busy not even thinking about it anymore.
@@AlleluiaElizabeth yes which btw there are some minor lore reasons why that's considered a considerably high level of magic usage not many summoner can summon something and it can't wonder far from their person but also is on a limited timer the fact that tatarus carbuncle is still out there (possibly) suggest that she has a lot more power than she thinks she just doesn't know how to use it properly.
@@AlleluiaElizabeth Tataru's Carbuncle is roaming around Labyrinthos. And another thing is that Carbuncle got "unbound" from Tataru and became a wild being, like any animal.
Sharlayan scholars suggest that a Carbuncle's persistence is tied to its owner's pool of aether and will not survive if left alone for too long, like a battery-powered toy. Somehow, Tataru was powerful enough to give so much to her Carby
Look at this champ making videos on his own. "If you've not played FFIV"... This guy. Look at him now.
Makes me feel very happy that more people are opening their eyes to the power of FFXIV and the Live Letters
This isn't a mad comment but I'm not sure extremes are somewhere between normal and heroic. Even with your own progression, you have spent multiple hours on the vast majority of extremes. When was the last time you spent multiple hours on a wow normal boss? The last raid tier in wow i cleared was Nathria and I don't remember spending any real time on any of the normal bosses, maybe 10 pulls max. I could see the argument for Savage being between heroic and mythic, but extremes are around a heroic level, maybe not a heroic end boss but certainly around your average heroic boss.
As someone with more raid experience in WoW than 14, when it comes to having a proper group with you, I'd definitely put Extremes up at AotC boss and low Mythic, maybe a few of the uncommonly overtuned Heroic fights. It does vary wildly from fight to fight in Extreme.
Savage is Mythic level, even high Mythic. You can't just compare raw time because WoW has so much more downtime in between pulls. Ultimates taking 600-700 pulls is only matched by outright broken Mythic fights. Mythic Zovaal was like 300ish pulls. I think even Mythic KJ which had to be hotfix nerfed repeatedly, was like 500-600 pulls I think even including all the wasted pulls on an "impossible" version.
All of this must assume a proper guild group with some effort. Because if it's pugs, Pug Normal is harder than half of Mythic. Week 1 LFR for fights like MOTHER in Uldir were harder my AotC Uldir reclears. And the same will be true for gambling in PF in 14.
@13:55 WoW doesn't offer challenging Party content either though. Arbitrary time trials are artificial difficulty. "Hey we bloat HP and Damage until Time becomes an issue and sometimes mechanics just break entirely!"
Compared to a raid boss where sure enrages exist but strictly as a dps check, are you performing adequately... but the key thing is the boss will usually just flipping kill you as the primary check. The challenge is whether or not you do it right AT ALL, not how fast you do something that is elsewise 100% trivial.
That's why I don't respect M+. It's trash. I respected MOP and WOD Challenge Modes, where racing for time was a secondary concern and the primary challenge was that the dungeon would murderize you outright. But even in WOD, they started trying to make it into a #ESports #BigPlay #PogChamp #Hashtag! Because that's how NA game devs are and the quality of their games suffers as a result.
Because you know what's entertaining? Stupid crap and shenanigans.
You know what's not entertaining? Measured skillful gameplay.
You're not wrong, but it seems you're speaking from ignorance.
M+ difficulty comes from at the fact that at a certain point, not interrupting a spell cast will likely 1-shot a DPS or your healer, or aggroing a patrol and not controlling them properly does the same thing. Just because it looks like a steamroll when you watch the top teams does NOT mean that's what it actually is.
You do mention challenge modes, so maybe you're not ignorant now that I think of it, but doing things right is harder when there's a timer. I hated the timer myself up until shadowlands, but once I got into it with 2 other people from IRL it became a fun challenge.
I just think it's silly for you to say WoW doesn't offer challenging party content. Have you even seen the new M+ dungeon pool? Have you seen people run them, or run them your self? I'm 99% sure you have not. To be fair, I have not run them, but seeing others run them at the level they're accustom to looks quite difficult. Anything well-practiced can look easy, which is why I accused you of ignorance at the start of my post.
Either way, if you want to actually measure difficulty, you need to know the particulars instead of putting it all into one box called "Mythic +." Why? Because otherwise you're breathing hot air and nothing else. You also need to compare them relativistically; FF14 light party content vs M+ is not even in the same ballpark. doesn't matter what they have done marketing-wise...it's about the effort required to succeed.
"Because you know what's entertaining? Stupid crap and shenanigans.
You know what's not entertaining? Measured skillful gameplay."
Not to keep going on about it, but this in itself makes me realize again that you've never pushed WoW 5man content to any meaningful degree.
no knowledge of M+ but I HATE time as a factor of rating in games like valkyria chronicles. i want to explore and do strats. dont hurry me game just for that.
in certain missions sure but ALL missions its a chore
@@3lit3gn0m3 For transparency I was a roughly top 5% Mythic raider, not quite enough for Cutting Edge usually, but typically every other boss downed.
And M+ is garbage. You can rightly whine "Well it is harder on a timer than not on a timer" but a run timer is not mechanical difficulty. Yes, dps/gear checks are a thing to an extent and exist as time limits, but solely so that raids cannot stack 4 tanks and 12 healers to trivialize the encounter design.
I don't care that M+ just "Make bigger number til number arbitrary one-shot" and "Make timer shorter til group fail". It's garbage artificial difficulty. I assume we both played Legion, so we both did Blackrook Hold(?) the undead elf dungeon with the dreadlord at the end.
Take the first boss for example, Raven Marrowgar or whatever it was called. Later for my relic skin tone farming on some alt I went in there and unfortunately at 10+ or whatever, its roomwide AOE was an unavoidable one-shot due to the raw damage modifier and maybe Tyrannical.
There was no skill, there was no counterplay, I had no invuln on the class. I think I was Shaman and just had to res through it.
The mechanic isn't supposed to BE an undodgeable one-shot though. That's not how the fight is designed. If you handle the add phase properly, it's just supposed to hurt a lot.
But because Activision is a bunch of LAZY garbage hacks who can't design real difficulty and can't even try to beat their own encounters, it was just yet another random broken piece of crap in a game full of random broken trash.
Your rant tells me you're a M+ Hero who needs to stroke your own ego because you never progged real content, and you think checking raider.io to make your lazy meta team of AOE stun and AOE burst somehow makes good players. It doesn't. It's just lazy meta stacking, which is what almost all of M+ was.
And, to be fair, it's what RWF level competitive raiding is too. Unfortunately, in my small guild, I was one of the few people who put effort into alts to flex for fights.
I don't respect fake challenge. I don't respect just making numbers bigger or timers shorter until failure is assured. That doesn't challenge people to play better, it challenges people to CHEESE harder.
And the meta becomes naught but AOE Stuns, Invuln and Invis cheesing.
You do high M+ after all, are you gonna tell me the meta isn't maximizing cheese?
@@Navi_xoo "Having to focus interrupt something is more of something people learn that you have to use addons / keybinds to reliably do. After wiping the dungeon once or twice you kind of just know what to interrupt, wow so crazy! Like yeah it one shots you if you don't kill them fast enough / interrupt... I wouldn't really say that's a high skill thing just something you have to die to see."
You just explained any mechanic ever. The difficult arises when things don't go as planned during pulling.
"Healing and Routing are challenging in M+ but again you're talking about pushing pointlessly past 20's unless you plan to go into the MDI. "
I agree here, actually.
"If your idea of interesting content is repeating the same dungeon for 2 years with bloated hp / one shot mechanics then good for you. "
Nope. Running the same dungeons for 2 years is boring as hell...which is why they've changed it. The new M+ pool is almost completely different. You say "one shot mechanics" so vaguely, yet pretty much every game has them. If they exist and are preventable, that's the definition of 'difficult' in my books. Calling it 'bloated' doesn't change that, because as you've said, not everyone needs to do 20s+
"The affixes are also dogshit i mean they like practically removed 2 of them in shadowlands alone. Nobody enjoys the affixes besides the seasonal one if it isn't also shit."
Affixes are good and bad. I enjoyed them for S1 of SL, but I barely did S2 and beyond so clearly it wasn't good enough to stick around. I personally would prefer more affixes with randomization between each key, similar to PoE maps; the seasonal affix being the only mainstay.
Anyways, I don't agree with you on the big picture, but definitely think M+ has squandered potential.
@@jaeusa160 I was writing a proper response, but then I read: "Your rant tells me you're a M+ Hero who needs to stroke your own ego because you never progged real content,"
And realized you're a jaded asshole.
My favorite time in WoW was clearing sunwell in TBC. I am not a M+ hero and only seriously got into it in Shadowlands. Maybe if you read my post you'd have a clearer picture. You know, where I said: "I hated the timer myself up until shadowlands, but once I got into it with 2 other people from IRL it became a fun challenge. "
I don't do high M+. +15 was my endgame, because I wasn't competing. Legion M+ did have bullshit, and there's definitely poorly tuned encounters. That said, your one example isn't something I experienced in Shadowlands. I've watched top end players do +30s and it looks intense (at least for the healer, which I am as well.)
Yes, the meta is cheese, but EVERY game has a cheese meta...even mythic raiding; it may simply seem less apparent since you have more factors and players to work with.
"And the meta becomes naught but AOE Stuns, Invuln and Invis cheesing."
Shadowlands S1 meta was kiting. I haven't kept up with it switched to FF14 after S1, but from what I've observed it's not what you're describing; teams are actually using pull and boss strategies rather than finding ways to be invincible. I haven't seen a night elf shadowmeld M+ run since Legion.
Looks like my post was longer than I intended.
FFVIX does have small group high difficulty dungeon content even before the criterion dungeons, it's Palace of the dead and Heaven on high, the deep dungeons.
I'm not always subbed to FF14 cause I don't always have time to play but I always enjoy live letters and just listening to the team
Squadrons isn't forgotten - I'm thinking of it in the likes of it has served it's purpose mainly for setting the ground work with the TRUST system
On the Sephirot trial: I ran it with some friends at min ilvl/no echo in preparation for the Unreal, most of us being Savage raiders and several of us having cleared ultimates. It took us almost 2 hours to do it without a guide. Most of us had farmed it unsynched, some had done it min ilvl before, but it's certainly a tough one. Bring good healers and tanks because there's a lot of damage to heal and the tanks can get killed even if the tanks are doing everything right, and a mobile DPS to adjust for others because there's some randomness to it.
12:00 made me realize right now I'm the person Blizz wanted LFR made for. The only problem is literally every single choice they made.
In FF14, I have every job maxed- but I don't touch end game content. I'll see it, eventually, significantly later, when I can roflstomp it, just so I can see the story.
The "challenge" content everyone else enjoys? I don't want to dilute that, but I do want to see the story. Me personally I don't get gud because I don't care enough to get gud.
The fact I can get side content like the islands? It's why I keep giving them my money.
I can definitely see why people would be a bit miffed about Island Sanctuaries not being player housing (I'm not for the record, I just wanna jump in and have fun), because when I look at what this could have been with player housing, it would've probably been the best individual housing implementation that we could get, assuming what you want isn't a neighborhood, but just a house. Everyone would get a house if they wanted one, without having to win a lottery against who knows how many other players and then regular housing districts would be an FC exclusive thing. But I'm just ready to jump in and see what this island is all about, definitely one of the most interesting features imo, alongside the criterion dungeon.
Also, regarding the Adventure Squadrons, seeing as they allowed you to do dungeons with them in patch 4.1, it's my belief that it served as a testing ground for implementing the Trust system. I definitely would like to see what else they could do with them tho.
I think it would be cool if Mike tried this raid tier from the start so he can get a good idea of what the difference between savage and extreme and the demand that players are required to tackle rather than doing it later when over geared or when they have are old content.
I think he's just simply working his way up there. I'm sure by the time 6.3 comes out he will have gotten to do most if not all of what he's wanted (unless he goes and plays a lot of other games in the meantime). Plus now he's max level this tier so he probably will try to tackle savage this tier, maybe just not on week 1.
With how substantial the patches are becoming, I'm honestly expecting 7.0 to be unbelievable
and its topped with the graphics update! gonna be insane.
The man's playing Eve Online music in the background. Toying with my heart.
Content every 14 weeks btw.
preacherman im sure your fc has already said a million times but for gathering just go to diadem until you can start the collecting chains - there's a site gillionairgirls they have really good guides for gathering but more importantly crafting - then they'll go over melds and the gear/tools you should get along the way - you can cheese the guides a little and just make HQ gear instead of socketing lowe materia which me personally i never had to do your mileage may vary
I don't play final fantasy, so I saw the title and thought I traveled back in time to WoD lol
I took tuesday to thursday off work for the patch hehe i nvr did that for WOW :) im all in on exploration gonna be awesome.
Ok, this might be silly, but I am super excited that healing ticks won’t cause enmity. So as a White Mage, I can throw up a regen at the START of a wall to wall pull and the mobs won’t attack me for that. I’ve had tanks ask me to NOT try to heal them until the end of the pull. I’ve gotten used to it, but dang, they just make wall to wall tank pulls so much easier to heal.
New msq and new raid are on the top of my priority list! Though I am excited for literally everything else coming in this patch.
i allways liked how the devs of ff14 are like the stark opposite of wow where ff14 devs are open and sincire and very respecting of players the wow devs seem more stuck thinking they know best and soo unable to admit mistakes of things they fucked up its honestly mind boggling but i guess thats eastern mindset vs western mindset
Just think of how many hundreds of Garrisons you can fit on the Island Santuary because it's so damn huge, puts that Garrison feature in that game to shame.
Just reminder, new PVP series will also start with new CC level track and reward. Old track and reward will keep until Series 3, so dont worry though.
I look forward to almost all of it. Variant and Criterion dungeons are amazing as we have small teams in my FC so far, can't make a static full party but light party is ez pz. Island sanctuary I'm curious how that'll work as the planting and buildings and such seem limited.
Island Sanctuary seems like Endwalker’s version of Doman Enclave, honestly. With a bit of Ishgardian Restoration thrown in with the gathering and crafting concepts. I mean, the Firmament is still useful to people, even though it’s rebuilt now. I imagine they’ll also likely have island specific quests that unlock as you build it up.
I can't wait for the full song xD this year will be good for mmos players FF14 patches are looking good WoW DF is locking good GW2 to steam perfect
Criterion Dungeon top of my list for sure!
I recall vividly *bitching* during Heavensward to my friends on Discord how much it bothered me to do dungeons in XIV. Having to do them for tomes and stuff but them being the most braindead of the braindead content. It was cool a few times but it got old SUPER quick for me to do them.
I feel nowdays we have SOOOO many ways to get tomes I don't even need a dungeon if I am not feeling like it (bless you Papa Yoshi) but knowing we're getting a little extra spice brings back those memories and makes me HYPE!
Technically this is an announcement of expansion features. These were things mentioned to be released after the initial expansion launch finally coming out.
You gotta remember, Mike comes from WoW. Where traditionally 'patches' were mini expansions that not only made the expansion launch content obsolete, but often came with a brand new system unique to the patch. He's not used to thinking of it as a whole package XD
Great summary! So much fun stuff to look forward to. A little bit of something for everyone! Can't wait to continue the story!
It would be nice if they updated squadrons to use in lieu of the new Duty Support system, as they're your hand-picked NPCs and there would be investment in carrying them forward through to stormblood.
Much like how from Shadowbringers you can level up the main cast via the Trust system.
even squads, sure are a bit abandoned due to trust system, are still great, that weekly mission to get XP scrolls is a must do while you level alt jobs xD
It's finally happened. The Fat Cat ate Mike.
I foresee Island Sanctuary eating years of my life eventually, especially my current character who has grown war weary and just wants a place to take a much needed relief. Kind of like how Kratos in GoW4 is, tired of endless war, the valor of youth lost in memory to a life surrounded by death and just wants to eventually retire to someplace calm, soothing and quiet BUT will answer a summons if the threat is dire enough.
Great video and discussion as always Mike. Good job! 👍😎
@PreachZodiac .. is the thing above a bot scammer? or something?
he IS simping for Live fucking Letters, holy crap FFXIV is here to stay letsgoooo
Mike, if you want to level a Gathering profession, do Fisher and do Ocean Fishing. Super EXP farm that will get you to 90 faster than anything, AND you can have Nobbel drag you into doing it too.
Seconding this. I have a joke alt who's a mid 30s warrior/level 80 fisher. It took longer to get to the mid 30s through normal content than it did to get to 80 doing ocean fishing. The only problem is, that character has no money to buy level appropriate fishing gear! 🤣
and bonus points he can have a large group of viewers join him on the fishing voyage
I'm not going to unlock Island Sanctuaries until I've done everything else from the patch because I KNOW that will be the only thing I do as soon as I've unlocked it.
Data mining use to be common, but yeah the past year or so it's become rarer to come across without really having to find it, it seems. You best bet the first step or two of the manderville weapons are going to be everywhere though!
Maybe its Hopium, and just incase I am trying to keep it contained - but someone pointed out how the island sancuaties occupies the same feature slot as Ishgarian Restoration. And I CLEARLY recall Yoshi P being impishly tight-lipped about whether or not IR indicated Ishgardian housing, and people arguing over it in forums and reddit (and clearly, we now have Ishgaridan housing). So I am hoping they will eventually add individual housing-like system! But it looks like fun regardless
Looking forward to the Crawlers spamming "JELLYLESS POOR" at Mike
the taunting of the elephant THEN the tank was so funny
Most excited for story. Always for the story. But island sanctuaries is second
most players would refuse to watch/read datamines if theyre exist because we fkn love the live letters! its like christmas, birthday and hanukka together
@@Sewersyrup yeah that might be and counts for the hardcore raiders, but i am quite sure most of the players dont want to get their story spoiled and love to explore new stuff by themseves. back in the wow days everything felt like work and so it was more than welcome to know whats to grind next and where it is. the story is dead since mop anyways.
I still send my Squadron every week coz no guild, no house. and it is the only way to get those sweet scrolls.
WoW = maintenance
Ff14 = active development
Remember people, log out in Old Sharlyn on Monday night, so you don't waste precious Island Sanctury time with your teleport.
I hope the trend of adding VFX to raid gear continues!
What I am interested in this time was what was in patch notes (preliminary), and not the Live Letter, which is what the video was not obviously based on: How far are they going to revamp the old content again. I already knew the new stuff is coming from the last live letter so I only glossed over them this time as well. It's pretty dank though, how they are keeping on the track record of redoing old stuff to make it a modern era content: Solo duty Steps of faith with big set pieces and kino moments, 4 man king mog cuz it's such a stupid fight with 8 people, trusts for HW dungeons up until the Vault with actual 'scions' this time just like the first time Trust showed up in 14 ( SHB ) also therefore reworking some parts of the dungeons and the bosses. Looking forward to going back and facing despair once more when we couldn't save the boy
Just to clarify, King Mog will still be an 8-man, but they completely rebuilt the normal version so it's a good introduction to 8-man content, since for new players using only Duty Support, Mog is now the first content you need other players to do, and the first ever 8-man content.
EX will not be changed though, so it will remain the beautiful mess that it is now XD
Poor preach gonna be jellyless 🙌
The way they handle patches is so good. The communication, the pacing of content, the trailers, it's one of the best things about the game that I think even non-players can understand.
I’ve managed to gear samurai, ninja, reaper, healers, and tanks and as I was starting to feel like “egh I guess I’ll level something?” The patch trailer dropped. Perfect pacing indeed
I'm looking forward to all of it, I am not much of a savage raider because I don't like raiding on a schedule but I have 3 close friends that are often on and we are willing to take a stab at the new 4man dungeons.
One day chocobo racing expansion! One day...
or at very least new courses.
12 route story dungeon, msq, or Island… I can’t pick. T.T
Really hoping the new trial isn’t Azdaja, tho. For Vrtra’s sake.
Don't worry, you have a few months to clear msq before variant dungeon gets released.
variant/criterion dungeon isn't until 6.2.5 so it'll be at least a month or two for that most likely. Trial series is probably going to be the 4 fiends as they seem to be leaning into FFIV stuff and historically we don't get the next MSQ-related trial until the .3 patch of the expac. Which could still be Azdaja but that's gonna be a while lol.
There's plenty of datamining going on, it's just not on a public website, but in private discord servers.
I can't pick a specific thing to be excited about in this patch, but I'm definitely excited for the MSQ, the story for the new raids, and I guess in that case, the new criterion/variant dungeons!
I was asked if I was going to cancel Mount Farms this week with the new patch drop. I said "No, unless not enough people show". We'll see. I plan on hitting MSQ first, then Hildy, Tataru, Variant Dungeons etc
When a patch has more exciting content than an entire scaly expansion
Bye bye Preach! The Island Sanctuaries are calling me home and I must answer!
I own FF14 since its release, but never came around playing it. And now I feel more entertained by it then I did with WoW. Yes WoW has more combat then FF14... but for some reason FF14 has so much stuff to do... from every expansion, which unlike in WoW is not just the gimmick of the XP and dropped in the next to never be done ever again. In FF14 the Roulettes,mm the story or the fact that stuff is just plain fun makes you do the older stuff. IK am pumped for the patch!
go fishing or use the Diadem for gathering. the mats still sell on the MB
I am really interested to check out island sanctuaries bc god knows how much time I've sunk into Stardew valley... But what I'm really hype about is seeing the new trial and savage raids!
EvE Online music in FF14 sounds kinda good :)
I've always loved you geeking out on this. I've wanted to get into it but there's so much to it I find it overwhelming. Also the daunting task of finding a comunity and all the resources gathering that I'm years behind on makes it hard to want to switch from WoW. Though I an looking forward to Wrath.
I love that there’s no data mining
hair looking better and better!
Yoshi P > Ion Hazzikostas. Can't stand how smug that little man Ion is. His ego makes it impossible for him to follow up on player feedback. He thinks he's better than all the WoW players and their opinions are irrelevant. So glad I didn't buy shadowlands! 🤣
THE FORGIVEN GENTLEMAN IS BACK \O/
My favorite part was where they saw an increase in subscribers and clearly put a lot of that money back into the game.
The new budget will not be tangible until 7.0 and beyond.
Thanks for the video Mike, just a question, there is no more Drama time videos coming?
I'm most excited for the story. MSQ story first, raid story a close second, and all the other stories third.
said exactly what the issue with Mythic+ in WoW and why I get upset when people use it as an example. it _is_ a glorified speed run, its lazy design and removes all the flavor from the dungeons which completely ruins the experience. I didnt want that in XIV, though since their version of harder dungeons is its own separate thing is fine, they can continue making the regular dungeons and make new criterion dungeons for those who enjoy that sort of thing.
i really like it so far nice place to unwind after a long day of raiding or whatever.
This island is gonna consume me and im here for it
For me it's criterion dungeons as well. Islands are nice but dungeon will engage me harder I think. Cant wait for Tuesday!
Yes and i can't fucking wait man!