@@megaplexXxHDWho are you entertaining when fishing though? It’s not the kind of sport that’s going to draw in a big crowd is it? And the fish certainly aren’t entertained!
But Postecoglou is not a "Ballerina Manager" like Ten Hang is, he knows you need technique, tactics, but you also need a certain level of determination and aggression to win individually (which is going to reflect in general).
Spurs have good players. A stable structure. They just didnt have the right mansgers. Ange came into a good situation gone bad. Man utd players on higher wages and not nearly as good as what spurs have. I think hojlund for richarlison is the only player manutd have thats get into spurs 11.
yeah as a Gunner have to say Big Ange turned it round at Spurs. Ownership is obvs important but that excuse only goes so far, and a good manager will find a way
People like Gary are part of rhe problem at UTD. Man City quietly gets on, no pundits, youtube influencers , media scruity, and / or player egos taking the scene and focus away
Neville is spot on when he says “great players and great managers come to Manchester United and die right in front of our eyes”. This is the problem and no one can figure it out. There has to be a background culture we are not privy too.
Easy everyone is expecting United to be this huge advanced club ,like Sanchez for example and when yhey get there ..well everything is old ,gym,kitchen, training facility United are stuck in the mud while yhe other teams progress forward
Yup. Players expect an amazing club and facilities. When they get here it’s a rotting club from top to bottom. Personally think players are becoming wiser about it now and avoiding or wanting get out asap Sancho most recent example of this. Players looking to save there careers before it’s too late in my opinion
Part of your problem - and there are many, many problems - is that your club now centres around one 'star' player, Rashford, whose prestige is maintained mainly via publicity and media presence and not on-the-pitch performance. He is an emblem of everything that is wrong at MUFC, and modern football in general.
Micha hit it bang on. United bought Houjlund who is a great talent, yet even if Haaland was upfront, he wouldn’t get the service because you have Rashford, Antony & Garnacho who all want to run at defenders and cut inside rather then do a Silva, Grealish where they put their head up and look for the pass in midfield or to haaland
Grealish (RF) and Foden (LF) are both players who cut inside. The difference is that they always have a Silva (leftfood left side) who runs behind Grealish for a possible cross and Walker (rightfood right side) who backs up Foden.
@@Wo_ist_Walternah, Grealish doesn’t always cut in. Foden tucks in to let Walker maraud forward and it transitions into a back three of gvardiol Dias Ake, whereas on the left flank the onus is on Grealish to provide width or cut in when necessary.
Micah is spot on really. You know that when Pep moves on from City the owners will do everything they can to ensure his replacement plays a similar style of football because the players have been moulded into that or they will support the new manager by bringing in players that suit his style. This is why under Ferguson United did not go out and buy loads of players because they didn't need to, just one or two that fit the style of play and ethic required. Same with City now. The players and manager can only take you so far, the structure of the football club is huge for success.
Man United bought loads of players under Ferguson and apart from when he stumbled on the bulk of his success when forced to bring in the English kids due to UEFA's no more than five foreigners rule where even Scottish and Welsh players were deemed to be "foreign". Yet once that rule was scrapped he barely brought any English kids through the youth system or any nationality for that matter, and splashed out hundreds of millions, including when only he had the budget to do so, pre-Abramovich and later.
City were planning for Pep's arrival for four years before he actually went to the club as well with the appointment of Txiki. Just appalling direction from the board and owners, and I doubt Ratcliffe is actually given the freedom to implement what he's trying to sell to the fans either.
Can’t believe Joel Glazer didn’t man mark Haaland for that second goal. Shocking stuff from the owners! Ten Hag deserves to be backed with another 400m!!
Funny you say that. It was Johnny evans and maguire that didn’t mark haaland for the header. One player that our board and owners wouldn’t sell cos they’re useless, and evans is a free agent they gave ten hag instead of kmj
This is one of the better on-air sport debates in recent memory. Passionate, articulate arguments. Heated but respectful. You might not agree with Carra or Gary, but whoever you disagreed with made good points. In the age of streaming, a US sport broadcasting service should adopt this model-give the pundits all the time they need to make their points. And make a funny joke.
The fact Joel Glazer didn't come on and score an overhead kick from the halfway line just shows everything you need to know about their ownership! Glazers out!
No the reason klopp rejected utd was because they talked about finance finance and finance when in the interview said to his wife didn’t like the feeling then went lfc and they talked football football and more football job sold 👍🏻 read his book
Complete rubbish he said it wasn't the right time as he had a 3 yr contract at Dortmund " . The person who said Klopp turned it down because they were to concerned on commercial things along with real Madrid who he turned down was Robbie bloody Fowler! A lot of nonsense!! "Read his book"😂😂 Klopp has never wrote a book! People just make up crap about Utd just wish they would stop obsessing about us or at least admit they support us
@@lukescrimshaw7678 But why is he good at only one thing? Have we ever asked that? United's training and player development is perhaps the worst in the league. They are using 1993 methods and 2003 equipment to play 2023 football.
This is the point i make about ddg. Sure, you can improve on him. But he's perfect for that style of football. Amazing shot-stopper, allowing attackers to win the game with a moment of brilliance. Its why they got CL and a trophy. Until the style of play was definitively changed, he shouldnt have been replaced, much less at a cost of £50m.
They were all right in their analysis about the club & ETH...but for Pep to effectively lay it all out in front of the media...is a new low for the club...Pep has essentially told everyone he doesnt recognise Utd...it is crazy to think we live in a time where City just do not see us as any type of threat...we're so weak & spineless our biggest rivals are being sympathetic!! 🤯
But neither the fans nor the club can accept it. I think that’s part of their problem. United is like a has-been that thinks he's still Mr.Hotshot, too prideful to admit that they have become the definition of average.
@@okkkkkk97 totally. which is why it's so boring seeing all these former united players turned pundits involved in incessant pearl-clutching moans about "what went wrong" and "sir alex", as if the club was still some dominant powerhouse that suddenly stopped being good overnight, and not an upper-mid-table (at best) dinosaur coasting on its reputation of 20 years ago
@@abrahamorozco582 I said Micha had the smartest summary, I didn't say he's the smartest, don't bother to comment if your're too lazy to read all my words.
He actually did read your comment correctly. You, yourself, proclaimed Micah the smartest. You literally just got mad because he gave you an example of micah's stupidity. You went from he's the smartest to, I never said that real quick. lol
I mean it was. It was a well ran club with a new state of the art stadium. Yea they didn’t win anything but there were no scandals or anything away from football with tottenham. & im not even a Tottenham fan
Well, yes. Great new stadium World class players that makes other london players pathethic, 1 wrong thing was managers, now they are great and they will win the league.
Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea all having a huge drop off in form massively helped with that. Now that Spurs and Liverpool have bounced back and are playing exciting attacking football, the competition for Top 4 is a lot harder than last season
@@MichaelChisholmChizzieRascal When Liverpool suffered numerous injuries in 20/21, our poor form wasn’t excused. Moreover, we were still able to make the top 4 that season. No excuses, it’s Manchester United, they’ve spent a ridiculous amount of money since Sir Alex retired, so they simply should do better.
To go to Micha's point. Not only do City sign players to fit their system, they also drill it into players in the academy. A style of football, an identity. City prepared the club for Pep's arrival for years with certain players, a certain philosophy and play style. This can also be said for Liverpool with Klopp. A similar club to United is PSG. No system, no particular style, just big names threw on a pitch together and expected to perform. Same can be said for Chelsea to a degree but they do manage to get some success from it from time to time. This is the reason City are here to stay and will dominate for decades. The club from top to bottom is built on a footballing identity and it shows.
(city fan) i’m with carra here. you can’t blame the owners every single time something doesn’t go united’s way, but give the players credit when they win. the glazers don’t kick the ball. we just dog walked them in their own park.
@@Harz604 gotta be honest, as a tottenham fan, the anti enic sentiment has always been present in good times also - just obviously not the main message pushed by the press so gets less coverage. match days this season there have always been enic out protests around the stadium before kickoff. tottenhams frustration with enic is the lack of investment in the squad despite the owners using the stadium and brand for massive flows of income into their own pockets. not praising the glazers but one thing they have always done is given the manager and club enough money to invest which is why I feel like blaming performances on them is pretty ridiculous
@@cadetlimbo the issue isnt the investment necessarily but where it has been going. The glazers appointed a lot of not football people in positions to deal with transfers and contracts, so while we've spent big amounts its been on players who havent performed and on massive contracts so they become unsellable. We couldnt sell Maguire and buy Todibo because Maguire wouldnt take the pay cut. And when we do get rid of players, its for pennies. Hell, we were still paying Alexi Sanchez' wages when he was at Inter. That and the owners kept signing Managers with opposing play styles. Van Gaal to Mourinho was a big shift, and Ole to Ten Hag shouldve been a big shift too, but Ten Hag has opted to attempt to play a transition game because the players cant keep possesion. The hope right now is that if and when Ratcliffe comes in, we'll start seeing United recruit with a strategy that goes beyond trying to sell shirts.
United fan here. In my honest opinion, united fans are too emotional over past. We have these agendas and love of history which truly ruins us. It's a whole shitsjow. The fans call glazers out yet buy the merchandise every season.. 😮
While I was watching the game I had the same thoughts as Roy about the United captaincy. And then I thought 'who would I give it to?' And I didn't find an answer. I don't think Bruno is a great captain, but if you take it off of him, who do you give it to? Out of the players who were on the pitch yesterday, I can't see a single candidate. Maybe Martinez or Casemiro when they're back fit. P. S. It's actually nice to see Micah being serious once in a while😅
@@aztecs8879 People don't seem to think that as owners, the club is there responsibility. We have changed players, managers, even Ed Woodward was chucked out. Clearly chaning any of them didn't fix a thing, so the blame rests at the owners.
I like Neville but Carragher is spot on here. You can’t keep blaming the owners, the players aren’t thinking “I’m not going to have a job if the club gets bought out”
@@ECGJoeAF So? Like Carra said, other managers have come into clubs with form and squad composition problems and imposed a style of play. Ten Hag and his staff did not do so even though he had plenty of time before Radcliffe came in.
@@paulie-g We do have a style of play. We're one of the best pressing teams statistically in the league this season. We win the ball back quicker than any other team. We just struggle to create chances. You don't win a trophy and come 3rd with no style of play.
@@ECGJoeAF Not with a PPDA of >13 you aren't. ManU have a lot of attacking 3rd regains, but one of the lowest rates of converting them to shots and 0 goals resulting from it. I haven't seen too much ManU this season (last season you struck me as a counter-attacking side if anything), but when I did I never thought to myself "they're pressing well". I'm sorry, but I just don't see what ETH is trying to do, and if he's trying to manufacture chances from pressing and regaining possession high up, the players aren't. In any case, that's not a plan that wins you a league as early Klopp Liverpool have demonstrated, although it's a building block and entertaining to watch, which ManU aren't. So what do we have? According to you, ETH is in his second+ season of trying to create a pressing side that makes chances regaining the ball high up. Something Klopp and Postecoglou managed to put in within weeks of coming in with worse sides. The team still doesn't look like that's what it's trying to do - numbers say the press is lethargic, direct vs build-up attacks are about 50/50, speed of attack is mid, and the eye test says 'huh?'. If that's what ETH is trying to do, it is also not working as it's neither creating chances nor resulting in goals. Logically, one would expect that going from whatever they were doing last season, they'd try to develop by adding possession. But they're no longer even doing what they did last season, possession/build-up isn't working out both in statistical terms *and* the eye test in that I can't see patterns of play, this putative early Klopp strategy isn't matched with the intensity required for it to be successful, and the whole thing looks like a muddled mess where nothing pops out as 'this is what we're trying to do' and very little seems to be working. And he's got players he presumably bought to play whatever it is he wants to play.
@@ECGJoeAF I accept that ManU have had/have injuries to players they don't have decent replacements for (and absences for strange reasons). I would understand if they were therefore worse at carrying out their game plan and their patterns of play weren't clicking. But I'm not seeing a plan or patterns of play that make sense. Hojlund is a 9, he needs service, but he's being played with forwards who want to come in and shoot instead of servicing a no 9, and these forwards aren't scoring either because you'd need a false 9 to drop and pull the defense out with him or overlapping fullbacks to overload and give the forwards the space to run into. Maybe I'm just a simpleton and ETH's genius is lost on me, but it seems to be lost on GNev and Carra as well, so..
The biggest issue United has had is their injury issue and lack of quality to replace them. Onana is a great keeper, but how many games has he had with United's starting defensive line up? Utd's best defence Shaw, Martinez, Varane, Wan-Bissaka (Dalot), easily the most conducive to a ball playing defence yet hasn't happened all season. Like a spinal column, without an important part of it, the whole system fails, and with that starting back 5, along with Casemiro, Amrabat, Fernandes, Rashford, Garnacho and Hojlund, this side would be performing far better than they are. The singular biggest issue is the distinct lack of quality in all positions to replace any of these. United's defensive replacements are shambolic, as are their defensive midfield and striker replacements. Fair enough, the midfield from my starting 11 has Eriksen, Mount, Pellistri and Antony, but a massive lack in two key areas of the squad (no good CBs and the only replacement for Hojlund is Martial) is not the fault of the manager.
@@nervesconcordbut you can’t always go back to the squad not being good enough. How much money has he spent since he came? Isn’t it his fault then that he spends money on players he doesn’t need? The problem is that you can’t see how he actually wants them to play, like Carra said. Klopp took Liverpool to CL finals and fighting for titles with Divock Origi as a first sub, with Oxlade-Chamberlain in midfield and Gomez as a cb. You’re acting as if Martial is a Championship player.
@@kingflockthewarrior202 and I never said he was good lol? But there’s not a lot of teams that have a good striker on the bench? You can’t blame everything on not having good enough players when they spend money like crazy.
@@cormac7884Casemiro wasn't a good signing after all. Insane cost, ridiculous salary, Injury-prone and only did well when the team did well when we had the new manager effect. He hasn't defended the £70 mill. price tag. Look at the rest he's bought. Crap for way too much money. Casemiro came for a cash-out to retire, and Real Madrid were smart to offer him to us. United falls for everyting.
Ten Hag is kinda the problem. Authoritarian management only works at certain clubs with certain personnel. Usually youngsters you can mould. He came in and made a beeline for ronaldo, openly calls out sancho, clearly he favourites and doesn’t defend the players. Compare this to Ange who came in losing the worlds best striker, he is their mate/manager who encourages them to enjoy their football again. Once they respect you, you get the discipline automatically because they don’t wanna let you down. Basic psychology
how come every manger hired after sir Alex was a failure at some point in time the people in charge of the club will need to held accountable for the failures of the club since 2013
@@darthvaderskywalker7657 ownership also take a factor, sure man united have money spent on transfer but decision making is horrible compared to liverpool director owner
@@INTJ791 they bought world class players how can it be they're fault? Owners arent managers. Owners job is just to keep the club having money other than that, the staffs has their own role to perform for. It's a company
What micah said at the end is so true. The wingers are very agressive attacking, they have to realise that now they have a good striker. When i watch united is like, they don't have a playing style.
Rashford can't play with any striker like Diaz, Son, Salah or anyone. So Erik is basically screwed there in big games. Against Copenhagen you manage just ok. Next bigger problem buy Mount, Antony and don't play them. Sancho has low confidence so is gone. More wreckage. Absolutely the midfield is average. Defense was good with DeGea.
Im old enough to remember when united fans downplayed liverpool players (in a 90+ point team) as "not good, they're just 'system players.'" Yes, thats the point, you play a system and recruit players with potential for that system. Players that work together in a defined system are better than hotch potch prima donnas and old superstars all day long.
@samwize28 people talk about them because they're an embarrassment and failure draws attention. If they were dominating like city they wouldnt be talked about as often. Over a decade without a title
@@commonsensemustprevail first the owners should accept the situation that nothing is good. bring a manager who is good at introducing and working with young players and build the team from zero. then we can see a change for the good in a few years
This is why I'm a big fan of FSG, they have a paradigmatic way of working irrespective of management - essentially buy young and relatively cheap with a vision to retention for purposes of success or selling on at a profit. The appointments are usually dictated by this strategy. The appointments of Rodgers (vast experience with youngsters at Chelsea and Reading) and Klopp (created saleable assets at Dortmund) are testament to that. It's all due respect to them they don't accede to the dramatic compulsion to buy expensive players who have built a reputation on the opinions of a few failed managers. Man United do this because their demise has been so acute it's anxiety inducing and that's led to the likes of players like Antony (woeful) and Martinez coming in. Seems odd by Neville to basically say that the owners are at fault; for what? Giving Ten Haag the money and the autonomy to manage. Seems like he's just projecting again and if the owners reigned it in he'd have the opposite opinion
Liverpool have spent just under a billion since klopp arrived, the net spend alone is nearly half a billion. They have bought well but they spend plenty
Carragher is right on this. You can't keep blaming the Glazers. There are 11 players selected and trained by the manager. They are responsible. Neville keeps going on about the lack of stability with the ownership issue and compares it to regular everyday companies. These players and coach are not on minimum wage, they are multimillionaire players...they are not going to be that concerned about if it's glazers or someone else
Right I think he was giving an explanation for why time after time after time proven managers and players coming to United end up becoming terrible. While the manager has a significant portion of blame it seems abit unlikely that all those managers and all those players were crap and it's just a coincidence that the ownership structure being terrible while all that goes on. Villa fan BTW.
You expect ten hag to beat Man city using guys like Evans, Lindelof, Maguire, Mctominy? This team will struggle even against chelsea who cant find the net nowdays. Maybe just maybe if guys like varane, shaw, martinez were fit they had a slight chance.
Oh God another man who thinks he knows more about than United fans. Yes when 100% of the fanbase have been calling out the bad owners since 2005, of course other people know better than us. Everything has changed in the 10 years and there have been 3-4 iterations of completely different managers and players. Completely Gary is right that how come all top talents come to the club and fall flat. Ronaldo called them out publicly. When something at the top is so wrong, it's hardly going to improve at the bottom. Any man with even the most basic understanding of how things work in any company will understand this and yes at the end of the day even football clubs are companies that need a strong leadership at the top to make it successful. This is absolutely basic
I think props goe to carragher here. He just goes in on the 2 any time Man U don’t show up.. and Keane and Neville always will bite if it’s Man U. But carragher is spot on, great watch, all in all with pundits idea aside and more of an analysis perspective Man city run the midfield because they have extra numbers come in and around to connect. Man city is far more fluid throughout all facets of the game hole Man U have a counter attack threat and that’s it.
The way Carragher gives his assessment about United he sounds more about trying to help United than Gary Neville. A lot of United legends of the past do not actually know what’s happening.
I like what Gary is saying " Why is it that great managers with great reputation and great players with great reputation come to Man United and die in front of our eyes"
I agree somewhat about the managers but what "great players" have Man United signed? I'm all ears to that one. Mount isn't a great player, same with Maguire. You could say Casimero but his past his best and not a top player anymore. Anthony, Onana, Eriksen .. these are far from great players. I think Hoijlund has the potential to be great but he isn't a top player right now.
I can believe it man as a Utd fan some of the performance from out players like Jadon Sancho, Cristiano Ronaldo, David de Gea, Joel and Avram glazer were all shocking on the pitch nothing to do with ETH at all.
Ronaldo was not shocking at all ETH is a joke and will be forgotten next year. Ronaldo is 1 of the goats, he got rid of him and still has no clear style of play.
@alanchamberlain9902 Why do people still say ETH got rid of ronaldo he didn’t, ronaldo wanted to leave and went on Morgan’s show to make sure that happened
You know, I actually agree with Gary. Once Josh Kroneke took the reins from Stan, it gave Arsenal such immense stability. Top down there’s a plan and I think that element has been huge to Arsenal’s recent success
@@Ronniepickering345 and he accepted he was wrong about him.... and the guy got injured half way through the season last time and this season as welll... and he's been struggling since the start of this season
8:20 Micah summed it up: Utd have bought few players that fit a certain style or ideology. The only player that they've bought over the past 10 years who has been ideal for their chemistry is Bruno Fernandes. The rest seem somewhat aimless.
We don't have a director of football, the manager never gets his first choice targets, the manager is never allowed to sell players. Ten Hag uses Morinho, Van Gaal and Ole players. Players are powerful they are overpaid and overpriced in the market. It's just a mess at the club and the one get out of jail card was full sale and a restart we missed that train sadly.
The irony is that Fernandes doesn't fit into Ten Haag's ideal formation. He'd rather have 8s that press and fast inverted wingers like City and Arsenal.
When Liverpool began their drought in 1990, on the 11th year in 2001, they won... FA cup, Carling Cup, Eufa cup, Super cup. Charity Shield. This is Uniteds 11th year 😂
I've never listened to Neville and outright think he's ignoring a question and spinning it the way a politician will do. I think he's just got a lot to say and trying to be fair while still offering some passion as ultimately a United supporter. I think he is honest, and tries to play devil's advocate to offer some food for thought while being hypothetical, but as I say I think it could be argued he loses his train of thought because he'll go on tangents, but it's all still relevant and the only reason it would annoy you is if you're a fan of another club and just don't like him and his opinions or because you just want to hear someone else on the panel's alternative and he just seems to be talking to much about it without being challenged, but he does get challenged and that's what it's about.
Been a Utd fan for almost 60 years. Broke my heart when we were relegated to the old second division. But watching my club for the past fifteen years has been more painful. There is so much wrong with the club, it starts with the Glazers but its not only them. Its the Board, its the club executives, its the coaches, its the staff and its the players. Us fans don’t help either, we’re too fond of harping back to the Sit Matt and Ferguson years. That’s ancient history! Having a managerial revolving door is as stupid as having people with limited or zero football knowledge running the football side. If Utd beat Fulham then EtH will be the fastest Utd manager to fifty wins. Ferguson was in dire trouble before he turned it around. Growth requires pain and this will be a very painful season. EtH must be given at least three years and be able to sign his first choices not third or forth. He must also be allowed to get rid of those he really doesn’t want. I think many of his decisions today were baffling. And in reality did anyone really believe that a team with McT, Maguire, Evans, an invisible but untouchable Rashford was going to trouble one of the best club sides in world football today. Add in an out of position Bruno, Lindeloff at left back and Eriksen who cannot play against top six teams: today’s debacle was a self fulfilling prophecy!
8:40 Micah is actually on the spot. Rasmus Hojljund is isolated because both Marcus Rashford and Antony wants to cut inside and shoot rather than looking for the striker.
@oladayoogunniyi8870 This is true. We haven't seen this at utd yet, but I don't know why Sky always gives this kinda of pressure to any utd manger and look for any negative. and i never saw this with any other club manager. Just look at how bad chealse are doing. If this is utd, we will see the "heated argument" every week, same with liverpool kloop only being successful with liverpool 3 years from his 9 years at the club if this is utd they will question the manger.
I’m a Blackburn fan, and we have horrific owners that have never communicated once with fans, and while we won’t pull up trees with them in charge, we play fantastic football and have an identity under our coach. He’s done that with youth team players and free transfers. Bad owners don’t help, but ETH have been given more than enough tools to get better out of what he’s getting and that’s a fact.
Can't stand Carragher but he's 100% right here. United fans are saying the same thing, whats our style of play ? The substitutions since day 1 under ETH have been baffling and some of his transfers have been awful.
Hes not. Like you rival fans are telling us not to back our manager. Its so weird. We just want to give something a chance instead of going thru the same cycle. We want ten hag to have a chance under a well run club. Otherwise it was all a waste of time.
@@mefninjaYou are just hoping Ten Hag is going to be successful.18 months on the job and no one knows what Utd is doing on the training pitch.That is not the mark of a successful manager.
@@mmw4990 hes a scouser telling manutd fans they shouldnt blame the owners and onstead should demand they sack another manager. Everything is wrong. Carra wasnt so vocal when his buddy stevie g was stinking up at villa
@@anandchaudhary1675ya but Newcastle were not spending 100 millions every season utd spend more than anyone and the glazers give the money 😂😂😂its embarrassing seriously stop blaming the owners
@@ac-tl3xi I am not blaming owners about spending or etc. i am blaming culture of the club set by owners. They spend money when the chips are down. How can you justify that Manager wanted 2 CB and sell Harry Maguire and get another striker which has not been provided. they spend the money but not at right time. Last year manager wanted CDM, didn't get him as soon as lost 2 game, panicked and got Casemiro. This season with Amrabat and Evans. Bro you won't understand until you are United fan about how ignorant the owners are. If spending could win Chelsea should win league this season. It's about setting right culture.
Ideally your captain is a player who wins the ball back when your team is under pressure. Can be a striker if they lead the press and are good at it. But definitely not someone who can be bypassed and just complains at their team mates.
Fernades is ALWAYS whinging at the ref, trying to make out that it is the refs fault for them playing so badly, he moans, he`s lazy, he thinks he can score from anywhere, even after the final whistle he`s till moaning, if i were the ref i would yellow card him before the game to savetime later. And Anthony...??? What ababy, sat there sulkin on the bench and when he comes on he boots Docku...!! This performance and attitude and lack of any desire was the same as when they lost at home to Liverpool 0-5, they are truly awful
Rashford is just current era Andros Townsend / Aaron Lennon / Theo Walcott. Except he's on 375k because his PR company did some tweets about hungry kids a few years ago.
"Great managers with great reputations and great players with great reputations comes here and just die in front of our eyes" Spot on, since 11 years now. I wish I wasn't so young in 99 to enjoy fully the football until 2012
@samwize28You’ve made yourself look a right Wally here: “A and an are different forms of the same word, the indefinite article that often precedes a noun. A is used before a noun that starts with a consonant sound (e.g., 's', 't', and 'v'). An is used before a noun that starts with a vowel sound (e.g., 'a', 'o', ‘u’ and 'i').
Pep said it all by saying "we're so stable as a club because myself, the owners, the director , players and the fans are in the same direction " I can't say the same about our neighbors
Spot on from Micah. After all the money MUFC spent in the off season it is an absolute farce that we play with Harry and Jonny Evans as starting CB's vs City...
Jamie Carragher is right. What is Ten Hags philosophy? We've been asking this for months. They are a mixture of 5 different things but they cannot execute any of them consistently. That comes down to the manager. Not the owners. The owners don't coach on the training ground.
Jose Mourinho won them the ONLY trophy since the early 2000's asked for money to buy players he thought the team needed and was RIDICULED! Ten Hag comes in and is given unlimited funds to spend and they've won absolutely NUTN 😂
When Arsenal lost Saliba and Tomiyasu, they made Rob Holding play from the back. When Arsenal lost Partey, they made Elneny play Lone 6. The system is all that matters, you cannot create a new system for every team you face. Creating injury excuses, like this issue isn’t also there Vs Sheffield or Luton, is a joke
@@Feisar777 They did, but they did better doing that to Homding/Elneny than forcing the entire XI to change. 1 change is easier to deal with than 11. Look at Liverpool, did they stop living and dying by the counter pressing when Hendo/Fabinho were playing at Centre Half? NO! The system stands above everything, because the system persists beyond just the next 90, the next season. United sometimes try and play possession ball, and some times look like Dyche’s Burnley. That’s not a sustainable way to react to injuries. Every player in that club, including Maguire, McTom, Evans, they need to be playing Ajax ball. That includes players like Bruno/Rashford, who don’t seem to be able to play ETH’s system, which means they either learn, or go.
I was creasing after Gary said "Yeah" under his breath after Jamie told him to be quiet and let him speak 😂😂 He literally told Jamie to stop cutting him off 15 seconds ago ahahaha
Not so sure Villa or Spurs are manager friendly clubs but their managers have done well. It’s an excuse at United which I’m sure Ten Hag is happy to hide behind for as long as Gary gives it
They mistreated Ronaldo, a club legend who would have given them a guaranteed 20 goals a season for 3 years atleast. This is what they deserve. I'm not even a Ronaldo fan but look at the respect Zlatan got from Milan during his retirement run and what Ronaldo got when he wasn't even past it.
The nerve Neville has to give managerial advice after having become the worst coach in Valencias/La Ligas history, being battered 7-1 by a Barcelona without Messi and sacked within 6 months of taking the job is actually BAFFLING… to say the very least.
That's not really how it works at all though? You can review someone's actions and give an opinion on it. In your world who is allowed to be a pundit? A handful of elite managers who never had a bad stint at a club.
Micah makes a great point. United sign people then figure out where to put them afterwards. Whereas someone like Pep or Ange sign the right players for their system.
To be fair on Ten Hag, Man Utd's owners should have just paid Maguire that £6 million to complete his move to West Ham and buy another centre-back like Kim Min Jae. I find it hard to believe that Ten Hag needed Jonny Evans even if on a free for one year. For Manchester United's amnitions, the owners shouldn't be content with having these kind of players even on their bench.
Last season, Kim Min-jae was mentioned as one of the three best central defenders in the world, the best defender in the Italian Serie A and a Ballon d'Or candidate. With his move to Munich this season, he is considered a player competing with Manchester City's Dias for the world's best CB. How could Manchester United bring him in? There was a buyout in the transfer from Naples, so Manchester United could not bring him in with money anyway. Kim Min-jae could only come if he wants to, so why would he come to Manchester United?
Neville has used whats going on in the boardroom as an excuses since Fergie left. The players need to shoulder the blame. Once you get on that pitch its down to the lads on the field to get results They simply dont care. No heart or desire. Pick up the wages and thats that.
Yes but who has chosen these players? Everyone at the club is at fault, owners, management and players. Not fit to wear the jersey apart from a few players.
Well that goes into what Neville was saying, if we have players that don't care and just collect their big wage packets then there's something wrong with the environment at the club. The extreme wages and transfer fees are all down to terrible management which leads into players who are just their for the money and stupidity high expectations that they can't fulfil.
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I know deep down Micah just wants to burst out laughing 😂
True,He loves laughing just to mock people 😂😂
Like he burst onto the scene...
Just like we do when we look at his football career 😀
Burst on the scene my ass 🤣
laugh at UNITED ? Bwahahgaha why wouldnt you .
Roy doesn’t even get angry anymore. He’s over it
5 stages of grief.
@@vinaybabla6000 Indeed, and he's finally gotten to acceptance. Gary still in the bargaining stage so has a way to go.
@@vinaybabla6000 5th stage acceptance.....
Because the club treated h badly when he left
He will soon and I can’t wait to tune in when he does 🤣🤣
The rants from Roy and Gary are always more entertaining than the actual game 😂
😂😂😂
Just like your grammar 😂
@@DanFernandesBenficaSaintHe missed one word and you think that's hugely entertaining? Really fishing there, aren't you
@@John_Kennedy27fishing = entertaining. So yeah 😂🤷🏽♂️ you outplayed yourself
@@megaplexXxHDWho are you entertaining when fishing though? It’s not the kind of sport that’s going to draw in a big crowd is it? And the fish certainly aren’t entertained!
Postecoglou came in to a stable club? What? They had 3-4 managers and 2 interim managers right before he came. They lost there best player..
Was upset when he left Celtic but great manger 👍
*their and it's ok 👍
But Postecoglou is not a "Ballerina Manager" like Ten Hang is, he knows you need technique, tactics, but you also need a certain level of determination and aggression to win individually (which is going to reflect in general).
Spurs have good players. A stable structure. They just didnt have the right mansgers. Ange came into a good situation gone bad.
Man utd players on higher wages and not nearly as good as what spurs have. I think hojlund for richarlison is the only player manutd have thats get into spurs 11.
yeah as a Gunner have to say Big Ange turned it round at Spurs. Ownership is obvs important but that excuse only goes so far, and a good manager will find a way
The way Gary slowly turns at the start, Roy not even moving, Micah leaning in and Jamie barely moving his head, we all knew this was gonna be good
People like Gary are part of rhe problem at UTD. Man City quietly gets on, no pundits, youtube influencers , media scruity, and / or player egos taking the scene and focus away
@@mrb2643pass me whatever you're toking please sir.
@@mrb2643spot on
@@mrb2643 No pundits? Who is Micha Richards?
@@tomdivasion7724😂
Neville is spot on when he says “great players and great managers come to Manchester United and die right in front of our eyes”. This is the problem and no one can figure it out. There has to be a background culture we are not privy too.
maybe they only go to united for the bigger wages
Easy everyone is expecting United to be this huge advanced club ,like Sanchez for example and when yhey get there ..well everything is old ,gym,kitchen, training facility United are stuck in the mud while yhe other teams progress forward
Yup. Players expect an amazing club and facilities. When they get here it’s a rotting club from top to bottom.
Personally think players are becoming wiser about it now and avoiding or wanting get out asap Sancho most recent example of this.
Players looking to save there careers before it’s too late in my opinion
Part of your problem - and there are many, many problems - is that your club now centres around one 'star' player, Rashford, whose prestige is maintained mainly via publicity and media presence and not on-the-pitch performance. He is an emblem of everything that is wrong at MUFC, and modern football in general.
only in this era ...
Micha hit it bang on. United bought Houjlund who is a great talent, yet even if Haaland was upfront, he wouldn’t get the service because you have Rashford, Antony & Garnacho who all want to run at defenders and cut inside rather then do a Silva, Grealish where they put their head up and look for the pass in midfield or to haaland
Garnacho frequently tries to beat the full back down the line so that’s not strictly accurate
Grealish (RF) and Foden (LF) are both players who cut inside. The difference is that they always have a Silva (leftfood left side) who runs behind Grealish for a possible cross and Walker (rightfood right side) who backs up Foden.
@@Wo_ist_Walternah, Grealish doesn’t always cut in. Foden tucks in to let Walker maraud forward and it transitions into a back three of gvardiol Dias Ake, whereas on the left flank the onus is on Grealish to provide width or cut in when necessary.
Where was garnacho, pellistri
And you wonder why ronaldo struggled with this group.
It’s absolutely shocking, Man City had a ball, why didn’t United have one?!
Must be the Glazers fault. Glazers out!!!
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@@hellothere4045 The Glazer's MUsT stay lol.
Micah is spot on really. You know that when Pep moves on from City the owners will do everything they can to ensure his replacement plays a similar style of football because the players have been moulded into that or they will support the new manager by bringing in players that suit his style. This is why under Ferguson United did not go out and buy loads of players because they didn't need to, just one or two that fit the style of play and ethic required. Same with City now. The players and manager can only take you so far, the structure of the football club is huge for success.
Now all that talk on structure is what brings us back to Garry’s conversation on ownership and environment
What does it say about the recruitment department when a manager has to go out and convince his “second option signings” to come play for the club.
Its called a director of football
Man United bought loads of players under Ferguson and apart from when he stumbled on the bulk of his success when forced to bring in the English kids due to UEFA's no more than five foreigners rule where even Scottish and Welsh players were deemed to be "foreign".
Yet once that rule was scrapped he barely brought any English kids through the youth system or any nationality for that matter, and splashed out hundreds of millions, including when only he had the budget to do so, pre-Abramovich and later.
City were planning for Pep's arrival for four years before he actually went to the club as well with the appointment of Txiki. Just appalling direction from the board and owners, and I doubt Ratcliffe is actually given the freedom to implement what he's trying to sell to the fans either.
Can’t believe Joel Glazer didn’t man mark Haaland for that second goal. Shocking stuff from the owners! Ten Hag deserves to be backed with another 400m!!
Ten hag needs to get another 18 players from Ajax
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Just saying, you'd vne saying they same about Ferguson when he had them finishing thirteenth in year three.
We started with Evan and Maguire… would that work if they played for city?
Funny you say that. It was Johnny evans and maguire that didn’t mark haaland for the header. One player that our board and owners wouldn’t sell cos they’re useless, and evans is a free agent they gave ten hag instead of kmj
The split screen is cracking me up, like it's a presidential debate 🤣
At the kids table 😂
They’re borrowing from American sports shows as it’s very common there
lmao hadn't acknowledged that till now it's hillarious
:D
This is one of the better on-air sport debates in recent memory. Passionate, articulate arguments. Heated but respectful. You might not agree with Carra or Gary, but whoever you disagreed with made good points.
In the age of streaming, a US sport broadcasting service should adopt this model-give the pundits all the time they need to make their points. And make a funny joke.
That's what podcasts are for.
Chill
Gary didn't disagree with Carra, but he just argued anyway.
Kinda weird.
Was u paid to write this ?
CBS Sports Golazo does this.
The fact Joel Glazer didn't come on and score an overhead kick from the halfway line just shows everything you need to know about their ownership! Glazers out!
Really...hahaa
When United went after Klopp. He said no thanks because he thought it was a circus. Nothings changed.
When did he say that?
@@infallibl2015 🙌
Said it felt like Disney, like a franchise
No the reason klopp rejected utd was because they talked about finance finance and finance when in the interview said to his wife didn’t like the feeling then went lfc and they talked football football and more football job sold 👍🏻 read his book
Complete rubbish he said it wasn't the right time as he had a 3 yr contract at Dortmund " . The person who said Klopp turned it down because they were to concerned on commercial things along with real Madrid who he turned down was Robbie bloody Fowler! A lot of nonsense!! "Read his book"😂😂 Klopp has never wrote a book! People just make up crap about Utd just wish they would stop obsessing about us or at least admit they support us
Roy agreeing with Carra was boiling Gary’s blood lol
Gary didn't disagree, but somehow still argued anyway.
It's a gift.
@@yt.personal.identification😂
@@yt.personal.identificationcould get into an argument with his mirror at home😂
"Underdog football" is a great description of the United style of attack over the last few years. Relying far too much on the counter.
Standard you play with someone like rashford , only thing he’s good at. Definitely not a Man Utd player
exactly, i couldnt believe my eyes when they got outplayed by sheffield. most of their wins this season has been purely out of luck
@@lukescrimshaw7678 But why is he good at only one thing? Have we ever asked that? United's training and player development is perhaps the worst in the league. They are using 1993 methods and 2003 equipment to play 2023 football.
This is the point i make about ddg. Sure, you can improve on him. But he's perfect for that style of football. Amazing shot-stopper, allowing attackers to win the game with a moment of brilliance. Its why they got CL and a trophy. Until the style of play was definitively changed, he shouldnt have been replaced, much less at a cost of £50m.
United is number one in the EPL at forcing turnovers up the pitch.
Number one.
The players on the wings are awful. Could be coaching....
I have never seen Roy so calm... this concerns me
He's had enough
😂😂😂 guy is tired 😩
@@ru3nekayda I was like this with spurs last few seasons, people kept asking if I was ok, I went from crazy to dead quiet and relaxed
Was thinking the same exact thing 😂
@@josiahflame7477 this is where we need the “this is fine” fire meme hahaha
They were all right in their analysis about the club & ETH...but for Pep to effectively lay it all out in front of the media...is a new low for the club...Pep has essentially told everyone he doesnt recognise Utd...it is crazy to think we live in a time where City just do not see us as any type of threat...we're so weak & spineless our biggest rivals are being sympathetic!! 🤯
It's not just City that don't see you as any type of threat, it's half the league
But neither the fans nor the club can accept it. I think that’s part of their problem. United is like a has-been that thinks he's still Mr.Hotshot, too prideful to admit that they have become the definition of average.
Yh it’s sad really
@@okkkkkk97 totally. which is why it's so boring seeing all these former united players turned pundits involved in incessant pearl-clutching moans about "what went wrong" and "sir alex", as if the club was still some dominant powerhouse that suddenly stopped being good overnight, and not an upper-mid-table (at best) dinosaur coasting on its reputation of 20 years ago
Dosnt get more factual than this comment right here
Deep down i'm thanking God this wasn't a 5-0 or 6-0.
It really could have been like that if it wasn't for Onana.
with man city 3 goals and onana 7 saves match could've been 10-0
@justinsimba6357 it shouldve been 10 it should've been 10
If haaland’s headers went in. Definitely
god will be pleased
It’s ok pal. Wait untill 7hag comes to anfield
Another United defeat, another Glazers rant by Gary Neville 😂
Another "...at this moment in time..." Quote lol
To be fair.
His point is that no manager can come in and take control. No matter what, the Glazers will not allow a manager to have full control
"We are Manchester United" 😂
Carragher's response was that of a person who's heard this story a hundred times. 😆
Micha was on point, he might usually be the one with jokes and giggles but his summary was the smartest one from all this guys
Man thinks harry kane is better than benzema 😂😂
“Smartest”
@@abrahamorozco582 I said Micha had the smartest summary, I didn't say he's the smartest, don't bother to comment if your're too lazy to read all my words.
@@radup.888 lmfao I triggered you so hard by insulting your bf
@@radup.888 you literally said he’s the smartest you fool lol
Read your own words better next time.
Bye.
He actually did read your comment correctly. You, yourself, proclaimed Micah the smartest. You literally just got mad because he gave you an example of micah's stupidity. You went from he's the smartest to, I never said that real quick. lol
Did Neville really just call Tottenham before Postecoglu arrived "a stable environment"? 😂
He bends over backwards to make ManU, who spend half a billion a year, seem like some hellish environment for anyone to go to
I mean it was. It was a well ran club with a new state of the art stadium. Yea they didn’t win anything but there were no scandals or anything away from football with tottenham. & im not even a Tottenham fan
Well, yes. Great new stadium World class players that makes other london players pathethic, 1 wrong thing was managers, now they are great and they will win the league.
Neville 😂 get back in yer kennel. Mad dog. I love it. 😂
@@projectJUNODoF under a worldwide ban from football though. Structure and recruitment was awful
Manchester United massively overachieved last season. This is the level they are at.
United are missing the whole of their defense and have been all season, what team copes with that and plays well.
Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea all having a huge drop off in form massively helped with that. Now that Spurs and Liverpool have bounced back and are playing exciting attacking football, the competition for Top 4 is a lot harder than last season
Exactly and even then they only finished a few points ahead of Liverpool. Was a complete false position
@@MichaelChisholmChizzieRascal When Liverpool suffered numerous injuries in 20/21, our poor form wasn’t excused. Moreover, we were still able to make the top 4 that season. No excuses, it’s Manchester United, they’ve spent a ridiculous amount of money since Sir Alex retired, so they simply should do better.
I said this at the end of last season. Expect a big drop off next season and don’t bloody over react for once
Carra "they play underdog footbal" really make my morning 🤣
He ain't wrong
To go to Micha's point. Not only do City sign players to fit their system, they also drill it into players in the academy. A style of football, an identity. City prepared the club for Pep's arrival for years with certain players, a certain philosophy and play style. This can also be said for Liverpool with Klopp. A similar club to United is PSG. No system, no particular style, just big names threw on a pitch together and expected to perform. Same can be said for Chelsea to a degree but they do manage to get some success from it from time to time. This is the reason City are here to stay and will dominate for decades. The club from top to bottom is built on a footballing identity and it shows.
Couldn't have said it better
Bang on
Perfect description
It came from Ajax to Barcelona and now it's at City. Saying that Ajax is kinda shite these days. So is ten Hag
But real talk, some of our youth look more promising than our current setup, they just don't have the durability yet
(city fan) i’m with carra here. you can’t blame the owners every single time something doesn’t go united’s way, but give the players credit when they win. the glazers don’t kick the ball. we just dog walked them in their own park.
It’s the same as spurs fans. When times r good it’s the players n the coach, when they start losing (and they will) it’s Daniel levy
😂 you just what 😮
@@Harz604 gotta be honest, as a tottenham fan, the anti enic sentiment has always been present in good times also - just obviously not the main message pushed by the press so gets less coverage. match days this season there have always been enic out protests around the stadium before kickoff. tottenhams frustration with enic is the lack of investment in the squad despite the owners using the stadium and brand for massive flows of income into their own pockets. not praising the glazers but one thing they have always done is given the manager and club enough money to invest which is why I feel like blaming performances on them is pretty ridiculous
@@cadetlimbo the issue isnt the investment necessarily but where it has been going. The glazers appointed a lot of not football people in positions to deal with transfers and contracts, so while we've spent big amounts its been on players who havent performed and on massive contracts so they become unsellable. We couldnt sell Maguire and buy Todibo because Maguire wouldnt take the pay cut. And when we do get rid of players, its for pennies. Hell, we were still paying Alexi Sanchez' wages when he was at Inter.
That and the owners kept signing Managers with opposing play styles. Van Gaal to Mourinho was a big shift, and Ole to Ten Hag shouldve been a big shift too, but Ten Hag has opted to attempt to play a transition game because the players cant keep possesion.
The hope right now is that if and when Ratcliffe comes in, we'll start seeing United recruit with a strategy that goes beyond trying to sell shirts.
United fan here.
In my honest opinion, united fans are too emotional over past. We have these agendas and love of history which truly ruins us.
It's a whole shitsjow. The fans call glazers out yet buy the merchandise every season.. 😮
While I was watching the game I had the same thoughts as Roy about the United captaincy. And then I thought 'who would I give it to?' And I didn't find an answer. I don't think Bruno is a great captain, but if you take it off of him, who do you give it to? Out of the players who were on the pitch yesterday, I can't see a single candidate. Maybe Martinez or Casemiro when they're back fit.
P. S. It's actually nice to see Micah being serious once in a while😅
Varane for me if he stayed fully fit, otherwise Martinez or Casemiro like you said.
Maguire ?
@@bunnien5859 Might as well have Mr Bean.
"Gary let me finish"
Carra and Neville sounding like an old married couple 😂
I let you speak now you let me speak 😂😂
im amazed that gary managed to talk about the game for 2 whole minutes without blaming the glazers.
Does he need windows then?
But it is the Glazers ownership that has caused all the current problems, you've been blindsided if you can't see this.
@@aztecs8879 People don't seem to think that as owners, the club is there responsibility. We have changed players, managers, even Ed Woodward was chucked out. Clearly chaning any of them didn't fix a thing, so the blame rests at the owners.
@@aztecs8879 How? Was it giving Ten Hag £410m to spend, is that how they caused all the problems?
@@aztecs8879are the glazers the ones running about for 90mins
I like Neville but Carragher is spot on here. You can’t keep blaming the owners, the players aren’t thinking “I’m not going to have a job if the club gets bought out”
The staff are
@@ECGJoeAF So? Like Carra said, other managers have come into clubs with form and squad composition problems and imposed a style of play. Ten Hag and his staff did not do so even though he had plenty of time before Radcliffe came in.
@@paulie-g We do have a style of play. We're one of the best pressing teams statistically in the league this season. We win the ball back quicker than any other team. We just struggle to create chances. You don't win a trophy and come 3rd with no style of play.
@@ECGJoeAF Not with a PPDA of >13 you aren't. ManU have a lot of attacking 3rd regains, but one of the lowest rates of converting them to shots and 0 goals resulting from it. I haven't seen too much ManU this season (last season you struck me as a counter-attacking side if anything), but when I did I never thought to myself "they're pressing well". I'm sorry, but I just don't see what ETH is trying to do, and if he's trying to manufacture chances from pressing and regaining possession high up, the players aren't. In any case, that's not a plan that wins you a league as early Klopp Liverpool have demonstrated, although it's a building block and entertaining to watch, which ManU aren't.
So what do we have? According to you, ETH is in his second+ season of trying to create a pressing side that makes chances regaining the ball high up. Something Klopp and Postecoglou managed to put in within weeks of coming in with worse sides. The team still doesn't look like that's what it's trying to do - numbers say the press is lethargic, direct vs build-up attacks are about 50/50, speed of attack is mid, and the eye test says 'huh?'. If that's what ETH is trying to do, it is also not working as it's neither creating chances nor resulting in goals.
Logically, one would expect that going from whatever they were doing last season, they'd try to develop by adding possession. But they're no longer even doing what they did last season, possession/build-up isn't working out both in statistical terms *and* the eye test in that I can't see patterns of play, this putative early Klopp strategy isn't matched with the intensity required for it to be successful, and the whole thing looks like a muddled mess where nothing pops out as 'this is what we're trying to do' and very little seems to be working. And he's got players he presumably bought to play whatever it is he wants to play.
@@ECGJoeAF I accept that ManU have had/have injuries to players they don't have decent replacements for (and absences for strange reasons). I would understand if they were therefore worse at carrying out their game plan and their patterns of play weren't clicking. But I'm not seeing a plan or patterns of play that make sense. Hojlund is a 9, he needs service, but he's being played with forwards who want to come in and shoot instead of servicing a no 9, and these forwards aren't scoring either because you'd need a false 9 to drop and pull the defense out with him or overlapping fullbacks to overload and give the forwards the space to run into. Maybe I'm just a simpleton and ETH's genius is lost on me, but it seems to be lost on GNev and Carra as well, so..
100% agree with Carra. Need to stop making excuses for the manager now
The biggest issue United has had is their injury issue and lack of quality to replace them. Onana is a great keeper, but how many games has he had with United's starting defensive line up? Utd's best defence Shaw, Martinez, Varane, Wan-Bissaka (Dalot), easily the most conducive to a ball playing defence yet hasn't happened all season. Like a spinal column, without an important part of it, the whole system fails, and with that starting back 5, along with Casemiro, Amrabat, Fernandes, Rashford, Garnacho and Hojlund, this side would be performing far better than they are. The singular biggest issue is the distinct lack of quality in all positions to replace any of these. United's defensive replacements are shambolic, as are their defensive midfield and striker replacements. Fair enough, the midfield from my starting 11 has Eriksen, Mount, Pellistri and Antony, but a massive lack in two key areas of the squad (no good CBs and the only replacement for Hojlund is Martial) is not the fault of the manager.
@@nervesconcordbut you can’t always go back to the squad not being good enough. How much money has he spent since he came? Isn’t it his fault then that he spends money on players he doesn’t need? The problem is that you can’t see how he actually wants them to play, like Carra said.
Klopp took Liverpool to CL finals and fighting for titles with Divock Origi as a first sub, with Oxlade-Chamberlain in midfield and Gomez as a cb. You’re acting as if Martial is a Championship player.
@@Nhleko9303 brah.
Martial is done.
@@kingflockthewarrior202 and I never said he was good lol? But there’s not a lot of teams that have a good striker on the bench? You can’t blame everything on not having good enough players when they spend money like crazy.
The glazers had a shocking game today
Who’re these glazers on the field of play 😂?
Ronaldo and pogba had a howler today on the pitch
Joel Glazer 0 assists or goals all seasons, disgraceful
@@sahabufonyuy3649what you didn't see them😂😂😂
you forgot ronaldo and pogba not pressing and beign lazy around the pitch
Carra is easily one of the best football analysts. His ability to excel in multiple environments is also impressive.
Just said casemiro was a bad signing are u slow
@@cormac7884casemiro is a fantastic player but paying 70 millions for a 30 year old and give him a 5 year contract idk if that is good
@@cormac7884Casemiro wasn't a good signing after all. Insane cost, ridiculous salary, Injury-prone and only did well when the team did well when we had the new manager effect. He hasn't defended the £70 mill. price tag. Look at the rest he's bought. Crap for way too much money. Casemiro came for a cash-out to retire, and Real Madrid were smart to offer him to us. United falls for everyting.
Carra more honest about United than ex players
Did you watch?? They both said they weren't good enough!
being “honest” about United now is about all he could have done up until now in his life and career.
Ten Hag is not good enough.
@@martinsinye2710Tell us then who is good enough just curious for united
It doesn't matter whether we get rid of the manager or not the club has been in this mess repeatedly with every other manager
Gary's right - if Joel Glazer scores a hat-trick, this would've been a different game.
Ten Hag is kinda the problem. Authoritarian management only works at certain clubs with certain personnel. Usually youngsters you can mould. He came in and made a beeline for ronaldo, openly calls out sancho, clearly he favourites and doesn’t defend the players. Compare this to Ange who came in losing the worlds best striker, he is their mate/manager who encourages them to enjoy their football again. Once they respect you, you get the discipline automatically because they don’t wanna let you down. Basic psychology
The team was failing, so Ronaldo demanded an out, but it's Ten Hag's fault? Whatever you're on mate, I want some
@@varisrevolver4061no Ten scapegoated him and started dropping him unnecessarily
@@varisrevolver4061 What planet are you from?
If only Ronaldo pressed, United wouldn't have lost like this.
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U missed de gea and sancho
😂 facts
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Gary refuses to admit Ten Hag is an awful manager. Jamie is totally right here.
But are LvG and Mourinho terrible managers?
@joshua3630
Where is ur champions league
@@joshua3630 They both done better than ETH, Mourinho won a few trophies and had a set style of play like it or not, ETH has no style or tactics.
Come on he's not a terrible manager is he?
how come every manger hired after sir Alex was a failure at some point in time the people in charge of the club will need to held accountable for the failures of the club since 2013
Problem here is that both Gary and Jamie’s points are spot on, but they just want to argue. They never find common ground 😂
Gary's points doesnt make sense
They both low-key don't really like each other. 😂
@@darthvaderskywalker7657what doesn’t make sense about his point tho
@@darthvaderskywalker7657 ownership also take a factor, sure man united have money spent on transfer but decision making is horrible compared to liverpool director owner
@@INTJ791 they bought world class players how can it be they're fault? Owners arent managers. Owners job is just to keep the club having money other than that, the staffs has their own role to perform for. It's a company
What micah said at the end is so true. The wingers are very agressive attacking, they have to realise that now they have a good striker. When i watch united is like, they don't have a playing style.
Rashford can't play with any striker like Diaz, Son, Salah or anyone. So Erik is basically screwed there in big games.
Against Copenhagen you manage just ok.
Next bigger problem buy Mount, Antony and don't play them.
Sancho has low confidence so is gone. More wreckage.
Absolutely the midfield is average.
Defense was good with DeGea.
People were really comparing rashy to mbappe 😂
Only kids adults with a brain know football
both look like ninja turtles
Nah don’t get me wrong, nobody is like Mbappe but when Rashford is on form, he is on his level.
Sky:
Man Utd win, let's talk about Man Utd.
Man Utd lose, let's talk about Man Utd.
Everyone bangs on about missing Fergie, but we have never replaced Gill. Gill is a huge miss and the recruitment has been shocking.
Shubman gill?
Jonny Evans was a good signing.
and both in the same year as well.
10+ years ago might as well ask for Eric Cantona to come back
@@AtulPandey-fv7nkbhai 😅
Im old enough to remember when united fans downplayed liverpool players (in a 90+ point team) as "not good, they're just 'system players.'" Yes, thats the point, you play a system and recruit players with potential for that system. Players that work together in a defined system are better than hotch potch prima donnas and old superstars all day long.
Old enough to remember it was only a few years ago your talking like it’s the 80s 🤣🤣
@@antmanandthecod6073Jesus, are you stupid. It's a turn of phrase 🥴 and it's you're
Micah trying not to laugh and Keane gripping chair so hard he want to break it and Gary looking like Harry Hill 😂
The never ending debate on Man Utd
I don't know why they don't accept what is
@samwize28 people talk about them because they're an embarrassment and failure draws attention. If they were dominating like city they wouldnt be talked about as often. Over a decade without a title
@@commonsensemustprevail first the owners should accept the situation that nothing is good. bring a manager who is good at introducing and working with young players and build the team from zero. then we can see a change for the good in a few years
@samwize28that best club in the world died in 2013 . What you have is bunch of clown 🤡🤡 from the board to manager to the player
@@IT-li3ul exactly. They never give credit to the team who beats them either.
£85.4M for Antony is crazy 😂.
They threw $$$ and flushed down the toilet
Thanks richard arnold
Antony is shocking😂😂
Real paid the same for Bellingham. Guess which team drew the short straw? 🤣
@@MrPicklerwoofthey didn't though did they..
This is why I'm a big fan of FSG, they have a paradigmatic way of working irrespective of management - essentially buy young and relatively cheap with a vision to retention for purposes of success or selling on at a profit. The appointments are usually dictated by this strategy. The appointments of Rodgers (vast experience with youngsters at Chelsea and Reading) and Klopp (created saleable assets at Dortmund) are testament to that. It's all due respect to them they don't accede to the dramatic compulsion to buy expensive players who have built a reputation on the opinions of a few failed managers. Man United do this because their demise has been so acute it's anxiety inducing and that's led to the likes of players like Antony (woeful) and Martinez coming in. Seems odd by Neville to basically say that the owners are at fault; for what? Giving Ten Haag the money and the autonomy to manage. Seems like he's just projecting again and if the owners reigned it in he'd have the opposite opinion
paradigmatic??? 🤣🤣
Liverpool have spent just under a billion since klopp arrived, the net spend alone is nearly half a billion. They have bought well but they spend plenty
Carragher is right on this. You can't keep blaming the Glazers. There are 11 players selected and trained by the manager. They are responsible. Neville keeps going on about the lack of stability with the ownership issue and compares it to regular everyday companies. These players and coach are not on minimum wage, they are multimillionaire players...they are not going to be that concerned about if it's glazers or someone else
Right I think he was giving an explanation for why time after time after time proven managers and players coming to United end up becoming terrible.
While the manager has a significant portion of blame it seems abit unlikely that all those managers and all those players were crap and it's just a coincidence that the ownership structure being terrible while all that goes on.
Villa fan BTW.
Keep on blaming the managers then?
like how many managers do we need to hire and fire to prove a point lol @@cotully2772
You expect ten hag to beat Man city using guys like Evans, Lindelof, Maguire, Mctominy? This team will struggle even against chelsea who cant find the net nowdays. Maybe just maybe if guys like varane, shaw, martinez were fit they had a slight chance.
Oh God another man who thinks he knows more about than United fans. Yes when 100% of the fanbase have been calling out the bad owners since 2005, of course other people know better than us. Everything has changed in the 10 years and there have been 3-4 iterations of completely different managers and players. Completely Gary is right that how come all top talents come to the club and fall flat. Ronaldo called them out publicly.
When something at the top is so wrong, it's hardly going to improve at the bottom.
Any man with even the most basic understanding of how things work in any company will understand this and yes at the end of the day even football clubs are companies that need a strong leadership at the top to make it successful. This is absolutely basic
Love the introduction of the side-by-side two-shot of the pundits when they're debating together. Hats off to the gallery director! 👌
Hardly groundbreaking if you watch any tv last 30 years
Quite
I think props goe to carragher here. He just goes in on the 2 any time Man U don’t show up.. and Keane and Neville always will bite if it’s Man U. But carragher is spot on, great watch, all in all with pundits idea aside and more of an analysis perspective Man city run the midfield because they have extra numbers come in and around to connect. Man city is far more fluid throughout all facets of the game hole Man U have a counter attack threat and that’s it.
You're absolutely right, not groundbreaking from an industry standpoint. I meant from the perspective of this particular show. @@chrisclarke8451
The way Carragher gives his assessment about United he sounds more about trying to help United than Gary Neville. A lot of United legends of the past do not actually know what’s happening.
For once someone who has a voice is telling the truth, JAMIE IS DEAD ON!!!
I wonder if the glazers sit down after every loss going “it was all Gary Neville’s fault”
I like what Gary is saying " Why is it that great managers with great reputation and great players with great reputation come to Man United and die in front of our eyes"
I agree somewhat about the managers but what "great players" have Man United signed?
I'm all ears to that one.
Mount isn't a great player, same with Maguire. You could say Casimero but his past his best and not a top player anymore. Anthony, Onana, Eriksen .. these are far from great players. I think Hoijlund has the potential to be great but he isn't a top player right now.
I can believe it man as a Utd fan some of the performance from out players like Jadon Sancho, Cristiano Ronaldo, David de Gea, Joel and Avram glazer were all shocking on the pitch nothing to do with ETH at all.
Ronaldo was not shocking at all ETH is a joke and will be forgotten next year. Ronaldo is 1 of the goats, he got rid of him and still has no clear style of play.
What ronaldo did at 36/37 with United was remarkable. That hat trick against Tottenham. Remarkable. Legend
@alanchamberlain9902 Why do people still say ETH got rid of ronaldo he didn’t, ronaldo wanted to leave and went on Morgan’s show to make sure that happened
@@tevildo45 ETH treated him like rubbish and wanted him out
@@tevildo45 He wanted to leave because of ETH
Scott McTominay, Johnny evans etc don’t get on City’s reserve team yet we start players like this time and time again
NO Uniterd player would get in City's ladies team
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You know, I actually agree with Gary. Once Josh Kroneke took the reins from Stan, it gave Arsenal such immense stability. Top down there’s a plan and I think that element has been huge to Arsenal’s recent success
Carragher is always on point when he talks about Manchester United😂
When he said licha was to small for a cb in the premier league
@@Ronniepickering345 and he accepted he was wrong about him.... and the guy got injured half way through the season last time and this season as welll... and he's been struggling since the start of this season
No he isn't
Yh sure, you do know cas was our player of season last year..
@@sayednazir5127 Rashford
8:20 Micah summed it up: Utd have bought few players that fit a certain style or ideology. The only player that they've bought over the past 10 years who has been ideal for their chemistry is Bruno Fernandes. The rest seem somewhat aimless.
Because there's no football infrastructure in place
Their transfer philosophy for the past 10 years has been "sign whoever is good on Fifa at the moment".
We don't have a director of football, the manager never gets his first choice targets, the manager is never allowed to sell players. Ten Hag uses Morinho, Van Gaal and Ole players. Players are powerful they are overpaid and overpriced in the market. It's just a mess at the club and the one get out of jail card was full sale and a restart we missed that train sadly.
The irony is that Fernandes doesn't fit into Ten Haag's ideal formation. He'd rather have 8s that press and fast inverted wingers like City and Arsenal.
bruno fernandes fits into what chemistry mate ? be wasteful on the ball and then moan to the refrees. come on mate stop player favouritism.
When Liverpool began their drought in 1990, on the 11th year in 2001,
they won...
FA cup,
Carling Cup,
Eufa cup,
Super cup.
Charity Shield.
This is Uniteds 11th year 😂
Gary is such a football politician, asking questions and deflecting rather than just answering them and being honest.
He is answering them though. The only he doesn't is when carragher interrupts him
I've never listened to Neville and outright think he's ignoring a question and spinning it the way a politician will do. I think he's just got a lot to say and trying to be fair while still offering some passion as ultimately a United supporter. I think he is honest, and tries to play devil's advocate to offer some food for thought while being hypothetical, but as I say I think it could be argued he loses his train of thought because he'll go on tangents, but it's all still relevant and the only reason it would annoy you is if you're a fan of another club and just don't like him and his opinions or because you just want to hear someone else on the panel's alternative and he just seems to be talking to much about it without being challenged, but he does get challenged and that's what it's about.
Been a Utd fan for almost 60 years. Broke my heart when we were relegated to the old second division. But watching my club for the past fifteen years has been more painful. There is so much wrong with the club, it starts with the Glazers but its not only them. Its the Board, its the club executives, its the coaches, its the staff and its the players. Us fans don’t help either, we’re too fond of harping back to the Sit Matt and Ferguson years. That’s ancient history! Having a managerial revolving door is as stupid as having people with limited or zero football knowledge running the football side. If Utd beat Fulham then EtH will be the fastest Utd manager to fifty wins. Ferguson was in dire trouble before he turned it around. Growth requires pain and this will be a very painful season. EtH must be given at least three years and be able to sign his first choices not third or forth. He must also be allowed to get rid of those he really doesn’t want. I think many of his decisions today were baffling. And in reality did anyone really believe that a team with McT, Maguire, Evans, an invisible but untouchable Rashford was going to trouble one of the best club sides in world football today. Add in an out of position Bruno, Lindeloff at left back and Eriksen who cannot play against top six teams: today’s debacle was a self fulfilling prophecy!
Excellent analysis sir!
Yeah, not reading all that.
@@mattyk1887he's about the only person in the comments who knows what he's on about.
Nice to see a proper fan who knows what's what. I'm of the exact same view.
Most sane United fan. Great analysis
8:40 Micah is actually on the spot. Rasmus Hojljund is isolated because both Marcus Rashford and Antony wants to cut inside and shoot rather than looking for the striker.
What ronaldo did at 36/37 with United was remarkable. That hat trick against Tottenham. Remarkable. Legend!
He was a bum , rashford got more goals the season after
37 yrs kiddo u understand that?
@@tevildo45
@@kb4903- and Messi is in rubbish MLS at an age Ronaldo was in Italy
@@tevildo45 where is Rashford now? 😂
@@tevildo45just because ronaldo sit on the bench 😂😂😂
Love how Carra brought up Ange & Emery at Villa & Spurs.
Maybe he forgot about Michael arteta and kloop and how it took them 3 years after bad results to make a good team.
@@qutuzm7753bro they still had an immediate style of play, its not a question of success its about a lack of identify
@@qutuzm7753Klopp didnt spend half a billion in 1 year 💀
@oladayoogunniyi8870 This is true. We haven't seen this at utd yet, but I don't know why Sky always gives this kinda of pressure to any utd manger and look for any negative. and i never saw this with any other club manager. Just look at how bad chealse are doing. If this is utd, we will see the "heated argument" every week, same with liverpool kloop only being successful with liverpool 3 years from his 9 years at the club if this is utd they will question the manger.
@@qutuzm7753Klopp got Liverpool to 2 finals within 6 months and also got fourth in his first full season if I'm not mistaken.
I’m a Blackburn fan, and we have horrific owners that have never communicated once with fans, and while we won’t pull up trees with them in charge, we play fantastic football and have an identity under our coach. He’s done that with youth team players and free transfers. Bad owners don’t help, but ETH have been given more than enough tools to get better out of what he’s getting and that’s a fact.
If Neville found out his wife was cheating on him, he'd blame it on the Glazers
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Can't stand Carragher but he's 100% right here. United fans are saying the same thing, whats our style of play ? The substitutions since day 1 under ETH have been baffling and some of his transfers have been awful.
Hes not. Like you rival fans are telling us not to back our manager. Its so weird. We just want to give something a chance instead of going thru the same cycle. We want ten hag to have a chance under a well run club. Otherwise it was all a waste of time.
@@mefninjaYou are just hoping Ten Hag is going to be successful.18 months on the job and no one knows what Utd is doing on the training pitch.That is not the mark of a successful manager.
@@mefninjawhat part of that isn't right?
@@mmw4990 hes a scouser telling manutd fans they shouldnt blame the owners and onstead should demand they sack another manager.
Everything is wrong. Carra wasnt so vocal when his buddy stevie g was stinking up at villa
His subs last season 9 times out of 10 were spot on. The transfers however have been woeful, especially Antony
I would honestly love just an hour of this. I'm a united fan and i want this group to sit down and hash it out more
I'm a Man United fan and Carragher is spot on here. A change of ownership won't solve the footballing problems any time soon.
It will soon. See what happened with New castle. It gives positivity and the results changes.
Because changing the manager every other year has worked out well hasn't it. Give your head a wobble - it absolutely needs a change of ownership.
@@LITTLEbigREGThe players are the problem
@@anandchaudhary1675ya but Newcastle were not spending 100 millions every season utd spend more than anyone and the glazers give the money 😂😂😂its embarrassing seriously stop blaming the owners
@@ac-tl3xi I am not blaming owners about spending or etc. i am blaming culture of the club set by owners. They spend money when the chips are down. How can you justify that Manager wanted 2 CB and sell Harry Maguire and get another striker which has not been provided. they spend the money but not at right time. Last year manager wanted CDM, didn't get him as soon as lost 2 game, panicked and got Casemiro. This season with Amrabat and Evans. Bro you won't understand until you are United fan about how ignorant the owners are. If spending could win Chelsea should win league this season. It's about setting right culture.
Ideally your captain is a player who wins the ball back when your team is under pressure. Can be a striker if they lead the press and are good at it. But definitely not someone who can be bypassed and just complains at their team mates.
but who do you give the captaincy to? i agree bruno is not a good captain but the other options are not there
Slabhead the man 🐐
Fernades is ALWAYS whinging at the ref, trying to make out that it is the refs fault for them playing so badly, he moans, he`s lazy, he thinks he can score from anywhere, even after the final whistle he`s till moaning, if i were the ref i would yellow card him before the game to savetime later. And Anthony...??? What ababy, sat there sulkin on the bench and when he comes on he boots Docku...!! This performance and attitude and lack of any desire was the same as when they lost at home to Liverpool 0-5, they are truly awful
Finally someone said it!! 18 months in and we have no style of play
I can feel Gary's face😭😭😭😂😂
what??
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looking like somens just been killed in front of him
Thank you Roy Keane . Hitting the nail on the head!
That's his job...
@@shogun0810 a lot of pundits don’t do their jobs tbh.
Gary was so quick to blame Ronaldo and now on defensive about facts. Cara is right. Mourinoh will forever haunt this team
Rashford is just current era Andros Townsend / Aaron Lennon / Theo Walcott. Except he's on 375k because his PR company did some tweets about hungry kids a few years ago.
Dinner lady
@@mattr543😂😂😂
Yep. He has already peaked. Garnacho must start.
Walcott doesn't deserve that slander
@@Dee_Hopeyou know what that's a very fair point. Hold my hands up on that one
"Great managers with great reputations and great players with great reputations comes here and just die in front of our eyes" Spot on, since 11 years now. I wish I wasn't so young in 99 to enjoy fully the football until 2012
Carragher to Gary - "Let's get lunch, Gary.."
Gary - "Listen, Manchester United ownership is in shambles ..."
Never thought I'd see the day Jamie would be schooling Gary on football punditry.
Gary copes hard
Carragher is a pretty decent pundit tbf.
Carragher has always been the better pundit.
I dunno, Carragher strikes me as a lot more insightful than Neville on more or less every level
Eh? He’s always been a far better pundit than Neville
Carragher spoke more like an United legend than Gary here😂
@samwize28You’ve made yourself look a right Wally here:
“A and an are different forms of the same word, the indefinite article that often precedes a noun. A is used before a noun that starts with a consonant sound (e.g., 's', 't', and 'v'). An is used before a noun that starts with a vowel sound (e.g., 'a', 'o', ‘u’ and 'i').
@@tomben6180 It’s not that deep Mr Ben, sir. Can I go to lunch now?
@@tomben6180actually ben, youre wrong. If the u is phoenetically sounded as a y, its a. Thats the ONLY exception though
@@tomben6180waffling icl
@@devinhines1318 similar scenario when using "an" with "honest", it's about pronunciation.
Pep said it all by saying "we're so stable as a club because myself, the owners, the director , players and the fans are in the same direction "
I can't say the same about our neighbors
Easy for city when they’ve got unlimited petrol money behind them
@@spinningrim Wow so PSG got money but fail to win a UCL. Stupid logic my guy
Spot on from Micah. After all the money MUFC spent in the off season it is an absolute farce that we play with Harry and Jonny Evans as starting CB's vs City...
Jamie Carragher is right. What is Ten Hags philosophy? We've been asking this for months. They are a mixture of 5 different things but they cannot execute any of them consistently. That comes down to the manager. Not the owners. The owners don't coach on the training ground.
Jose Mourinho won them the ONLY trophy since the early 2000's asked for money to buy players he thought the team needed and was RIDICULED!
Ten Hag comes in and is given unlimited funds to spend and they've won absolutely NUTN 😂
We seem to get these conversations 3-4 times a year every year with United 🤣
Wait till they play Liverpool lol .
Trust me, it's probably more like twice a month.
6:30 carra stating the facts
You know its kicking off when the split screen appears
When Arsenal lost Saliba and Tomiyasu, they made Rob Holding play from the back.
When Arsenal lost Partey, they made Elneny play Lone 6.
The system is all that matters, you cannot create a new system for every team you face.
Creating injury excuses, like this issue isn’t also there Vs Sheffield or Luton, is a joke
What the hell are you on about, Arsenal literally lost the title thanks to playing Holding at the back in Salibas absence
@@Feisar777 They did, but they did better doing that to Homding/Elneny than forcing the entire XI to change. 1 change is easier to deal with than 11.
Look at Liverpool, did they stop living and dying by the counter pressing when Hendo/Fabinho were playing at Centre Half? NO! The system stands above everything, because the system persists beyond just the next 90, the next season.
United sometimes try and play possession ball, and some times look like Dyche’s Burnley. That’s not a sustainable way to react to injuries. Every player in that club, including Maguire, McTom, Evans, they need to be playing Ajax ball. That includes players like Bruno/Rashford, who don’t seem to be able to play ETH’s system, which means they either learn, or go.
I was creasing after Gary said "Yeah" under his breath after Jamie told him to be quiet and let him speak 😂😂 He literally told Jamie to stop cutting him off 15 seconds ago ahahaha
I've been asking the same question as Carra... What type of ball are they trying to achieve?
Not so sure Villa or Spurs are manager friendly clubs but their managers have done well. It’s an excuse at United which I’m sure Ten Hag is happy to hide behind for as long as Gary gives it
Spurs managers done well in the first season and drop off. Same with united.
How can Gary say all this and not blame Ten Hag
Tell me evans can play againt city for anyother pl said and actually win.
They mistreated Ronaldo, a club legend who would have given them a guaranteed 20 goals a season for 3 years atleast. This is what they deserve.
I'm not even a Ronaldo fan but look at the respect Zlatan got from Milan during his retirement run and what Ronaldo got when he wasn't even past it.
look at keane, the guy is so used to these man utd defeat that he don't get frustrated anymore 😂
The nerve Neville has to give managerial advice after having become the worst coach in Valencias/La Ligas history, being battered 7-1 by a Barcelona without Messi and sacked within 6 months of taking the job is actually BAFFLING… to say the very least.
That's not really how it works at all though?
You can review someone's actions and give an opinion on it.
In your world who is allowed to be a pundit? A handful of elite managers who never had a bad stint at a club.
Pretty sure it was 7-0 at home.
It's not "managerial advice" it's this thing called "punditry". If Gary decided to call up ETH and give him advice, that would be baffling.
Micah makes a great point. United sign people then figure out where to put them afterwards. Whereas someone like Pep or Ange sign the right players for their system.
To be fair on Ten Hag, Man Utd's owners should have just paid Maguire that £6 million to complete his move to West Ham and buy another centre-back like Kim Min Jae.
I find it hard to believe that Ten Hag needed Jonny Evans even if on a free for one year.
For Manchester United's amnitions, the owners shouldn't be content with having these kind of players even on their bench.
Last season, Kim Min-jae was mentioned as one of the three best central defenders in the world, the best defender in the Italian Serie A and a Ballon d'Or candidate.
With his move to Munich this season, he is considered a player competing with Manchester City's Dias for the world's best CB.
How could Manchester United bring him in?
There was a buyout in the transfer from Naples, so Manchester United could not bring him in with money anyway. Kim Min-jae could only come if he wants to, so why would he come to Manchester United?
Arsenal showed that only way you beat city is that you defend resolutely. Erik Ten Hag bought rubbish players, that is the bottom line.
As a City fan, we were woeful vs Arsenal, we rely on Rodri too much to be honest.
That City team today beats Arsenal, as we did twice last season.
@@tomben6180cry
@@TheChampIsHere_ Calling yourself “the Champ is here” are you talking about Pep? 😂
Rubbish players? Year after year Man Utd get some of best up and coming players around the world
@@Jordandacosta25 name one Man United player that gets into the City, Arsenal or Liverpool team. for how long will those players be "up and coming" ?
I will never forget what United did to Pogba and then Ronaldo. It’s shameful.
Neville has used whats going on in the boardroom as an excuses since Fergie left. The players need to shoulder the blame. Once you get on that pitch its down to the lads on the field to get results
They simply dont care. No heart or desire. Pick up the wages and thats that.
Yes but who has chosen these players? Everyone at the club is at fault, owners, management and players. Not fit to wear the jersey apart from a few players.
Well that goes into what Neville was saying, if we have players that don't care and just collect their big wage packets then there's something wrong with the environment at the club. The extreme wages and transfer fees are all down to terrible management which leads into players who are just their for the money and stupidity high expectations that they can't fulfil.
The mistake the Glazers made was giving this manager any money 😂😂😂