Several things that Dushyant Sridhar mentioned, I wholeheartedly agree with and in fact I had thought of the same myself and was glad that he also highlighted… First, one doesn’t need to denigrate a person or a group of people to highlight the positives of another. This is especially true if that person being denigrated is deceased, and not here to defend themselves. One cannot crap in a place where he or others eat - this is just a metaphor. In a place like the stage for Carnatic Music, songs about Periyar and Rama cannot coexist.
Dushyanthji anchor only wants you to sing praises of TMK. why waste time with her. she has not gone and spoken to the mridangam makers or other artists. She has only TMK on her mind and tongue....forget her.
As musician TMK, beyond doubt excellent trained classical musician, who had privilege to learn from great masters. The issue is that since last 10-15 years, he started believing that he has become composer and reached to the level beyond Music of Trinity Krithis. The notes written by Beethoven music is always called “ Beethoven Music” , western classical musicians spend their life to perform them. Individual performer don’t have freedom to change the emotion of original composer , just because it is old tradition and some social tradition of the time. Just to quote Dr. M Balamurali Krishna had written krithis in 72 mela kartha ragas and rendered in concerts. But while rendering Trinity krithis, he rendered them as per traditional books. Probably TMK should write few krithis and try out, instead doing tinkering work of automobile garage. He can popularize his style as “ TMK gharana” as in Hindustani Gharana style .
Happy that musicians are raising their voice Disrespect to this art form is to be condemned outright .Anchor has to have collected some data on our Barathiya shastriya sangeet.its a sadhana which connects atman to parmatma ,a very essence of sanatana value system..
It really is a great and courageous decision that the RaGa sisters and Trichur brothers have made. No doubt TM Krishna is one of the greatest musician of this era, but I also agree that he's a serious offender and has done a lot of damage to Carnatic music in the name of his bullshit idiology against Hindus, especially Brahmins. So it's time to publicly oppose his thoughts.
No person of any decency or hailing from a cultured family would criticise or malign any religion or people belonging to any particular community. If TMK is targeting any particular community or the most respected musicians or the trinity of Carnatic Music, he is only confirming that he did not hail from a decent cultured background.
Sudha, I used to sit next to Bismillah ji, and no one can question his reverence and bhakti for Lord Viswanatha. He has said this many many times, though he was converted, he kept his Hindu roots, hasn't he mentioned this many times in his own words In fact Bismillah ji used to say he prays to Ma Saraswathi and saw Ma Saraswathi in all Sur and Tal. What kind of poor anchoring you do ji. Please raise up in your thought process.
There are several Muslim musicians in the field of Hindustani Music. Are we to say that Muslims dominated and prevented people of other religions from entering Hindustani Music ?
Anchor Sudha is one sided, poorly informed, immature and confused , and sort of she tried to disrespect genuine views of Dushyantji. This was obvious. Better they engage well behaved anchors in future.
The anchor uses words like.hegemony very lightly. The fact that brahmins have dedicated themselves to the arts more than other communities does not make them hegemonic.
The anchor and the channel didi it for channel views. Rest is BS and blasphemy Dushyanth's pointed question on Ram and Periyar on the same stage was grossly bypassed by Sudha - unilateral
The lady who is anchoring exhibits her immaturity through her biased questions without understanding anything about the basic tenet of Bhakthi about Carnatic music
Why such a great personality Sri Dhusyant has to get snubbed many times by this news reader, who appeared confused so many times during this discussion
TM KRISHNA is undoubtedly an accomplished and erudite vocalist about whom none of his detractors have any thing adverse to say about his music credentials. His singing is devotional, soulful and mesmerising and he praises the Lord and his avatars with all reverence like any other musician. Awards are given on the basis of the merit of a Person's excellence in his field and not based on his personal views which may be anti traditional . Many of the music stalwarts had a nasty , tarnished and sullied personal morality in their lifetime and their personal integrity is debatable . Yet they were honoured ! The opposition is only to Krishna's modern views against conventional Carnatic heritage and customs, and its Brahminical mode of adherence to age old tradition.. Unlike the other musicians who have become famous because of their talents only , TMK stands as an intellectual colossus with an analytical mind to study the dynamics of Carnatics music. Hence he has been awarded the prestigious Magsaysay Award. His rational view about the Mridhangam having cow skin with leather straps, and his views about the legendary MS having been born in a Dasi family of non Brahmins are true and factual. These are irritating data to the Gomatha and Hindutva fanatics. However a large section of music lovers are behind TM KRISHNA . If Carnatic Music is so sacrosanct why are they bothered about criticism against it ?
It's wrong to expect communists to have civil behaviour and cultural knowledge. The anchor also seems to be deeply involved in the communist ideology of the superiority of the intellect over consciousness ie. "no atma".
Interviewer/Anchor should be knowledgeable about the subject or good looking, or preferably both. In this case she is neither. Does she own this channel or in some ways related to its owner?
@@vasukikrishn This fact comes from a research paper from "University of Texas Rio Grande Valley", which is much quoted by survey agencies. I don't know where you are from but that's generally true unless you are from North Korea or Iran.
Anchor talk to the Mridangam artists and the kind of relationship they have with their mridangam makers. They look after and help them monetarily and even emotionally. go find out rather than only taking TM Krishna's views....did any of you talk to mridangam artists on the point of mridangam makers. what a biased view as an anchor. Even talk to the mridangam makers of those artists. they have mutual respect.
The Anchor has missed the point entirely that Sri Dushyant has raised & is focused on being a woke pseudoliberal over the hypocrisy & insensitiveness displayed by TMK.
Views of Dr Subramaniam were contradictory. On one side say Brahmin hegemony on the other side say there were lots of non Brahmins who shined in Carnatic music
Would N Murali have used the same language if this was first done by a make musician...I am adding one more divisive element in to the debate..but the language used by him reeks of his dare you challenge us kind of an attitude..
Let TM Krishna sing a eulogy on Hitler - after you say music is just an art Carnatic classical music it’s basis itself is on Vedas and so calling it just a music is grossly wrong
The tone and tenor of Mr Murali's letter indicate a veiled threat to the renowned musicians Ranjani and Gayathri for their decision to withdraw from the proceedings of the award function of Madras Music Academy. I want to ask one thing to Mr Murali....Is Madras Music Academy owned by him, just because he is holding the post of president of the academy? What is the criteria for choosing the recepient of the Sangeeta Kalanidhi Award? If music is the only criterion, are they choosing exponents of other types of music, like Western Classical, Arabic, etc.,? If they are awarding only to Carnatic Musicians, what is the guideline they follow? Will they choose a Brahmin, Hindu Basher like the one they have chosen this time, who is for substituting the words Rama with Jesus in the Kruthis of Thyagaraja, thereby destroying the basic tenet of Karnataka Sangeetam, which is Bhakthi?Are they approving that? Really Shameful and Disgusting to have such persons who don't give any value to our culture ? It's high time they are replaced by some other eminent persons who value the highly respected traditions instead of the persons from the left-oriented Hindu Ram family
Sudha mam got dushyant wrong. Chinnamoulana was asthana vidwan of Srirangam. He did not speak of the religion of the singer but just that our compositions are based on bhakthi and not just music
Sudha Ji, do you like your own sound: Very Nice Reel Viduthal, let me explain sir, I used to enjoy your program from time to time, but you have no idea of why this person TMK is facing such stiff opposition, what to know the reason 1. He was anti national in all aspects 2. He was anti only against certain community, if I am against say one particular community I will be taken for a task, even legally I cannot do that, but this fellow was doing it brahmins forgave him for all his misdeamenaours. 3. He was joining hands with all anti national forces and expressing it under the garb of musicians 4. In carnatic music there is only room for Hinduism related compositions and its Raga's also based on holistic ideas. There is no room for any other. Period , even if you try you will fail. 5. some compare this TMK to Ilayaraja. Ilayaraj is like Mount Everest and he was never anti national, anti against any particular community. Infact all his guru's were Brahmins, who embraced him and taught him at 4 am every day. He has mentioned it in his own words many times. No brahmin ever asked what community he belongs to. But all Hindus embraced him with love. 6. K J Yesudos GUru also was a Brahmin and he tel KJY stay in his own house and learn, 7. This fellow who took all from his own community and started bitting the hands that fed him not only that he joined hands with anti national forces to test the water and music was his tool. I used to like your program but you lost your wicked in this subject for a zero, I don't care what some bjp leaders say or whether they have knowledge on music, they come and go, but Carnatic Music and all the compositions are based on Hinduism, and in fact tell your Friend TMK to stop singing Carnatic Music and sing only Raga Based music on Abrahimic faith, even I will buy the ticket and listen to him. He is a good musician, without the SOUL of the music. He is having certain type of Paranoia disease. Please help him. Let me ask him if you dont believe in God, why the Hell you sing Songs on God and make money to feed your family, as your not ashamed. Discuss this with TMK please. By the way do you know about carnatic Music, it is 100% based on Santana Dharma, then you will ask me what is Sanatana Dharma, check for yourself or check with good people not like the one who howled on the stage to destroy Santana dharma. Even Bharathiyar compositions are based on Sanatana dharma, he even said , we have many castes in Bharatha, there is not room for outsiders to interfere ( meaning Christianity and Islam), check this song of Bharathiyar, Ayiram Oondu ingu Jathi. Thank you, pls check facts before your speak. Brahmins hold and held Devadasis on highest pedastals, in fact the last surviving devadasri living in Vayalur said this, if you want proof, check with her. SUDHA you will should be given Shouting Kalanidhi award from the same academy
Once award is given MA has become a great institution for him and accepts all Drama . He was invited by all of a sudden this year to give a concert at MA, The deal. Was sealed ..filthy politics
Dushyanth Sridhar should stop going on air to answer amateurish questions!! Most of them vomit what is given to them ask. And above all its a waste of energy and time. Its a waste of everyone's time to discuss about TMK and potraying him as a great man. By having discussions like this and more and more people conducting interviews only increases TMK's Ego!! Just because he thanked Mudic Academy doesnt make him a hero ...he's a Zero in behaviour who has no regard to senior musicians.
Before anything I would like to request the Academy to release all the names applied to get this award this year. Are both Sow. Ranjani and Sow. Gayathri also two candidates applied this to the academy. Just because they did not get this year they can always get it later. Both sisters (or my daughters) to express their ways in way that the society will accept and as educated people both must honor the process and the candidacy. Mr. TMK even performed in a jewish temple. Have anybody seen the Nathaswaram by Sheik Kaleeshabi Mahaboob Subhano with TMK. Are they look like Hindus! Just because Amma was in a silk sari my son Dushyanji (I am then kalai) do not push that button. Even Madurai Somu is given that award?? Why just because he is..... If we want Religion indifference and unification please do not push these bull ... buttons. How many non-brahmins were given these awards and we do not neither any one has any authority to question the Academy 's decision. Both try to accept, honor the decision so that you will get it later. Genetically Brahmin brains are highly evolved due to scores of years of training and abyasams and it primarily due to encephalization of human cortex simply an elephants brain is small compared to iys body size but human brain is much bigger compared to his body size for which me and Dr. Casanova formulated that mathematics decades ago. So as a humble Tamilian and Adyen Dasanu Dasan emphasize that Dravida model is crushing on Brahminism not the Brahmins. So we have to be careful and wake up unless we as Indians accept dharma which accepting religious tolerance we cannot survive any more. Rest of the world clearly see us as highly Secular so change it otherwise our children will only pay the price in 2030 and 2040. Kanmanigala Ranjani and Gayathri tolerate and be humble you will get your recognition or else your own students are going to write in their diary what you guys led a light on for them. Just I accept braminical attitude and how many nathaswaram muciians are Brahmins and I request musicians' should not sing non-brahmin songs including Peria Samy Duran!!! or Thirupanalwar Professor Ranganathan Parthasarathy, Psychiatry, University of Louisville, Louisville, Kentucky, USA Please pour more honey in our ears not some molten Lead, R and G.....
dont think the award is not the crux of the controvery....his vilification and criticism and slander on other musicians is deplorable. does TMK pay the violinists and mridangam artists the same amount he demands for his concerts? then glorify him.
Best anchor so far on Music Academy'a award issue. Wonderful anchor. The two participants were unable to answer many of your questions. Thanks lot Sudha ji.
Hindustani totally traditional classical music was,& is being practiced with devotion and strictly traditional and spiritually Hindustani in Al these time by the great Muslim musicians and their students.
Music is an Art form devoid of Religious affiliation. Brahmin’s indeed monopolized all forms of Art in India. Modern day India with RUclips etc. and IIT like institutions suddenly want to only promote Brahmins, just because they had privileged education before ignoring all other talent is regressive. Same goes for Carnatic music. Krishna like Ranjani and the rest of those have narrow conception of music. They should have no voice in deciding what is a good practice or progress for Indian music. Let the audience decide, not the musicians.
Religion doesn't matter..yes..hence TMK shouldn't have brought caste in to the public discourse...he could have kept it aside...and done something to uplift the so called marginalized people...what has he done for music to be taught to kids of downtrodden..
What I see on display (sadly) is Brahmin self doubt and defensiveness. The community has been so culturally battered and diminished from the time of the country's colonisation that they have come to believe that they are now responsible for uplifting all of humanity because of the ( imagined) sins of their forefathers !! And we have early Christian missionaries to thank (er blame) for this .. The irony is that TM Krishna would not be the great singer he is today were he not born into a Brahmin family. He is the beneficiary of a lineage that transmits it's acquired learning to those with the requisite abilities. Such intellectual and artistic treasures gained over time through discipline and dedication (of the mind and spirit) are not for everyone. And why should they be ?? But thanks to modern secular ideas we have come to believe that the playing field should be levelled regardless of desire, ability or even need. The case of TM Krishna trying to teach carnatic music to children of the fishing community is one of both misplaced enthusiasm and cultural ignorance. And if it is possible for Hindus in general and Brahmins in particular to level criticism at their own people and traditions it is only because they are flowing streams in the ocean of sanatana dharma that allows for pluralistic thinking and dissent within its multiple folds. Can you say this for any other religion or faith system? Would TM Krishna be as vocal and vitriolic about social shortcomings if he was a member of the Muslim or Christian communities ? Little to his realisation he is throwing the baby out with the bathwater !! Brahmins of Bharath and the world please own your game. Your contribution to this land and its culture is invaluable and perennial 🙌 ❤
It could have been much better with greater preparation by the host who seemed to think she is Arnab Goswami. No respect and a lot of bias. Hasn't done any research on Music Academy. Her knowledge of the 3 saints is zero. On the whole it was a very hollow debate, and inconclusive
One begins to hate this anchor presiding over this conversation as a judge giving her verdict on a case, with her brash attitude. Seems she is a biased ev supporting anchor, and she easily gives up her role as an anchor and sits on this as a counterpart for the scoundrel TM Krishna.
RESPECT UR GURUS first,,what ever he achieved as a performer,will cease to exist,if he spat on thygaraja and MS ...interviewer have no idea about what happend...
All Brahmins, are not gifted singers or musicians.. And we do have child, prodigies lije, MS, amma and the recent Rahul Vellal. Of course even our late President Shri Abdul Kalam was, great instrument player(veena) who was from a different religion altogether.. So music is inborn mostly and passion and dedication towards music makes artists.. Thats, all...! Here we can take it as family gifts family and forget, about it. Else.. We Sanatanis have to have to understand that whatever caste or creed you may belong the idea is to create a divide amongst all of us just before elections..Divide and rule policy that's ALL. Stay strong friends.. Don't fall into this trap/crap..Jai Bharat. 🇮🇳🙏
It is fashion for all these people to say brahmincal hegemony. If someone abuses me, can I still say smilingly attend his performance and wish him. Nonsense advise. If it happens to adviser then it is interesting to his/her behaviour. It is easy to preach.
A very articulate Lady.. but dominant and lacks ability to listen..listen to understand and slams her views ..stiil, a good discussion and soon enough sinks into a time pass…
Moderator is uninformed and brings her personal biases into the debate. She is brash and doesn't allow the debator ( the one whose point of view she doesn't agree with) enough air time
The musician TMKrishna is acting as directed by some one may be for some petty benefit. Better ignore this misfit and don't make him great by talking about him. He is not worthy of consideration as an artist of repute. Honouring such an unworthy person the Music Academy has degraded their stature may also be as a favour to somebody. Boycotting such institutions by those who really respect the great art is the fitting concern that can be expressed. Carnatic music lovers should boycott TMKrishnas concerts as well as a protest against his unworthy behaviour. Jai Sri ram
Interviewer Sudha is clueless or acting like one. She has no idea what Dushyant is trying to say about TMK singing Thangarajah Kristi and in the same breath sing about EVR. She is completely writing off and changes subject due to ignorance or her boss telling her on her ear phone. She also throws around “cancel” culture as a fancy thing. DMK is doing cancel culture. How many Brahmins r there in DMK is there a Dravidian hegemony they talk about?
It seems these days tm krishna is not keeping well so he is going berserk aganst music legends and divine karnataka music allways some mediyokers some how come to li me light light mediyokers used make lot of noise with out knoing their limitations😢
worst anchoring ; she should know the basic manners & how to respect the person she's interviewing & not question them like s judge ; Dushyanthji was too humble & was answering her very patiently !! she was repeatedly saying that T N Krishna's a great artist ' ; the topic is not about whether he's a great artist or not ; even if he's a great Artist , he has to follow certain code of conduct & he can't disrespect anybody , that too great legends like M.S S , etc ; the anchor justified that by saying that even lata Mangeshkarji was into many controversies ; what kind of comparison is this ?? this anchor needs to do her homework properly before interviewing anyone ; she can't be so biased 😮
The persons on the Award-giving Committee responsible for awarding Sangeeta Kalanidhi title to T M Krishna should be sacked pronto, irrespective of their individual stature or financial contribution. This is a sly attempt at political control over Hinduism. Reeks of Wokeism.
Social reform? This is absolute nonsense.....TM Krishna is one among the many in joining the bandwagon in the name of social reform like the rogue EVR....
This anchor also speaks like a woke. Dushyanth wastes his time and energy in explaining her. Why this announcement h😊as come so early this year? Is the announcement connected with elections?
Not only karnatic mucisians , but also karnatic music lovers in general should raise objections to this very wrong action taken by the music academy. He doesn't deserve any award as a great musician ..he is just a singer & not a perfect scholar..he is & looks very highly proud & is having top heavy bottom lose personality... Times are not for the right people...kaalathin kolam....such awards have lost their sheen.. the award will feel ashamed for conferring it it on most undeserving people 😢
Several things that Dushyant Sridhar mentioned, I wholeheartedly agree with and in fact I had thought of the same myself and was glad that he also highlighted…
First, one doesn’t need to denigrate a person or a group of people to highlight the positives of another. This is especially true if that person being denigrated is deceased, and not here to defend themselves.
One cannot crap in a place where he or others eat - this is just a metaphor. In a place like the stage for Carnatic Music, songs about Periyar and Rama cannot coexist.
Ms.Anchor Sudha ji., as an interviewer dont bring your personal bias into an interview. First rule of interviewing!
She’s part of the media that dmk and left wing have captured
The interviewer is clueless and brazenly shut Dushyant down when he was making important points
Exactly she is a woke dmk bootlicker. Watched her on channel called India Ahead (maybe defunct now) where she constantly attacked bjp.
Carnatic sangeetham is there only because of Rama , Krishna , Radha & Sita. Sashthriya sangeetham is born out the love for God.
True love to God only is emerged in the form of music. Music is expression of love and devotion towards God.. Path for moksham....
Dushyanthji anchor only wants you to sing praises of TMK. why waste time with her. she has not gone and spoken to the mridangam makers or other artists. She has only TMK on her mind and tongue....forget her.
This woman is probably in the payroll of Dmk. Very loyal to Periyar ideologies. She wants to eradicate Hinduism. A anti social and media moron.
N Murali should be more a bridge rather than a divisive force adding to TMKs vilification.
Most of the contemporary Carnatic musicians are very educated and fluent in English as well
As musician TMK, beyond doubt excellent trained classical musician, who had privilege to learn from great masters. The issue is that since last 10-15 years, he started believing that he has become composer and reached to the level beyond Music of Trinity Krithis.
The notes written by Beethoven music is always called “ Beethoven Music” , western classical musicians spend their life to perform them.
Individual performer don’t have freedom to change the emotion of original composer , just because it is old tradition and some social tradition of the time.
Just to quote Dr. M Balamurali Krishna had written krithis in 72 mela kartha ragas and rendered in concerts. But while rendering Trinity krithis, he rendered them as per traditional books.
Probably TMK should write few krithis and try out, instead doing tinkering work of automobile garage. He can popularize his style as “ TMK gharana” as in Hindustani Gharana style .
Anchor is not having the requisite ability to debate on this subject.She is biased
Happy that musicians are raising their voice Disrespect to this art form is to be condemned outright .Anchor has to have collected some data on our Barathiya shastriya sangeet.its a sadhana which connects atman to parmatma ,a very essence of sanatana value system..
It really is a great and courageous decision that the RaGa sisters and Trichur brothers have made. No doubt TM Krishna is one of the greatest musician of this era, but I also agree that he's a serious offender and has done a lot of damage to Carnatic music in the name of his bullshit idiology against Hindus, especially Brahmins. So it's time to publicly oppose his thoughts.
Music Academy largely sponsored by a large corporate to which family TM Krishna belongs.....go find out anchor...instead of beating around the bush.
Just because he is a good singer., he cannot one denigrate other community. The interview seems to be irritated because she is a family of tmt.
anchor is immature and doesnt understand the context and subject . moreover she is brash in her attitude & . quite loud..
Yes agree totally
But Dr. Vijayalakshmi gave a fitting reply
No person of any decency or hailing from a cultured family would criticise or malign any religion or people belonging to any particular community. If TMK is targeting any particular community or the most respected musicians or the trinity of Carnatic Music, he is only confirming that he did not hail from a decent cultured background.
Well said
12:23 Anchor, probably, was not listening to Dushyant -- jumping to a biased conclusion and cutting him off
TM Krishna do not deserve this award.
It is shame to award itself
Sudha, I used to sit next to Bismillah ji, and no one can question his reverence and bhakti for Lord Viswanatha. He has said this many many times, though he was converted, he kept his Hindu roots, hasn't he mentioned this many times in his own words In fact Bismillah ji used to say he prays to Ma Saraswathi and saw Ma Saraswathi in all Sur and Tal. What kind of poor anchoring you do ji. Please raise up in your thought process.
Host maam! You are something! Completely disconnected with the issue. Should you be hosting it?
Anchor is more like as if she is interviewed . Should allow the person to complete their sentence. Change her.
Sudhaji,u dont seem to understand what Dushyantji is trying to say.I think u should listen carefully and not be a woke.
Anchor Sudha is behaving like ------------...
where are the old traditions.....which world are you in anchor lady? Which was the last concert y ou attended or a music class you attended...
There are several Muslim musicians in the field of Hindustani Music. Are we to say that Muslims dominated and prevented people of other religions from entering Hindustani Music ?
These anchors without basic knowledge of issue will try to push their narrative in the interview.
Anchor Sudha is one sided, poorly informed, immature and confused , and sort of she tried to disrespect genuine views of Dushyantji. This was obvious. Better they engage well behaved anchors in future.
Anchor your points are disconnected.
Kudos to Dr Vijayalakshmi Subramaniam and Sri Dushyanth Sridhar for their measured and balanced answers.
Nobody is objecting for the award but musician's are boycotting the function presided by him.
I remember Mind your Language series when Sudha talks in English.
The anchor uses words like.hegemony very lightly. The fact that brahmins have dedicated themselves to the arts more than other communities does not make them hegemonic.
The anchor and the channel didi it for channel views. Rest is BS and blasphemy
Dushyanth's pointed question on Ram and Periyar on the same stage was grossly bypassed by Sudha - unilateral
Anchor you are so disconnected....you just change your sentence when you are pushed against the wall....very badly anchored.
The lady who is anchoring exhibits her immaturity through her biased questions without understanding anything about the basic tenet of Bhakthi about Carnatic music
The anchor appears to have made up her mind even before her monologue aping a foreign accent! Shame!
The anchor does not have any idea. Let her first know the history before taking the interview.
Why such a great personality Sri Dhusyant has to get snubbed many times by this news reader, who appeared confused so many times during this discussion
TM KRISHNA is undoubtedly an accomplished and erudite vocalist about whom none of his detractors have any thing adverse to say about his music credentials. His singing is devotional, soulful and mesmerising and he praises the Lord and his avatars with all reverence like any other musician.
Awards are given on the basis of the merit of a Person's excellence in his field and not based on his personal views which may be anti traditional . Many of the music stalwarts had a nasty , tarnished and sullied personal morality in their lifetime and their personal integrity is debatable . Yet they were honoured !
The opposition is only to Krishna's modern views against conventional Carnatic heritage and customs, and its Brahminical mode of adherence to age old tradition.. Unlike the other musicians who have become famous because of their talents only , TMK stands as an intellectual colossus with an analytical mind to study the dynamics of Carnatics music. Hence he has been awarded the prestigious Magsaysay Award.
His rational view about the Mridhangam having cow skin with leather straps, and his views about the legendary MS having been born in a Dasi family of non Brahmins are true and factual. These are irritating data to the Gomatha and Hindutva fanatics. However a large section of music lovers are behind TM KRISHNA .
If Carnatic Music is so sacrosanct why are they bothered about criticism against it ?
It's wrong to expect communists to have civil behaviour and cultural knowledge. The anchor also seems to be deeply involved in the communist ideology of the superiority of the intellect over consciousness ie. "no atma".
This is the WORST INTERVIEWER - she’s the one talking , talking nonsense and jump in topic when she hears what she doesn’t want to hear
Amateurish anchor. Needs training...
She is just imitating some journalists and styles from bygone eras i n the US.
@@Prasannakumar-yk7bfshe sounds so phoney...
They read a question submitted by left wing that’s why
@@nielniel3384 haha but she poses to be a far right winger 🙂
TMK has become a nuisance.
Maam, you don't listen! You cut Dushyant off and made an irrelevant point of your own.
Interviewer/Anchor should be knowledgeable about the subject or good looking, or preferably both. In this case she is neither. Does she own this channel or in some ways related to its owner?
Good looks? Really? You watch news for looks of the presenter?
@@vasukikrishn This fact comes from a research paper from "University of Texas Rio Grande Valley", which is much quoted by survey agencies. I don't know where you are from but that's generally true unless you are from North Korea or Iran.
He is trying to become Kejriwal of Carnatic music
Please include Kamal Hassn in that list too
You nailed it
Anchor talk to the Mridangam artists and the kind of relationship they have with their mridangam makers. They look after and help them monetarily and even emotionally. go find out rather than only taking TM Krishna's views....did any of you talk to mridangam artists on the point of mridangam makers. what a biased view as an anchor. Even talk to the mridangam makers of those artists. they have mutual respect.
The Anchor has missed the point entirely that Sri Dushyant has raised & is focused on being a woke pseudoliberal over the hypocrisy & insensitiveness displayed by TMK.
T. M. Krishna belong to which cast Bramhanas, ksatriyas Or sudras, which?to know curiosity.
Why is the anchor doing bharatnatyam with her eyes and voice??
She's a pretender and have a. Very poor body language 😊
Sir, it is not bharathanatyam, it may be kadakkali or mohini aattam.😂 Waste of time to watch this interview.
Views of Dr Subramaniam were contradictory. On one side say Brahmin hegemony on the other side say there were lots of non Brahmins who shined in Carnatic music
He has bribed and bought the award.
what's with the modulation and hint of mockery by the anchor? Seems unprofessional.
Would N Murali have used the same language if this was first done by a make musician...I am adding one more divisive element in to the debate..but the language used by him reeks of his dare you challenge us kind of an attitude..
It's good for music fraternity to boycott Music Academy
Let TM Krishna sing a eulogy on Hitler - after you say music is just an art
Carnatic classical music it’s basis itself is on Vedas and so calling it just a music is grossly wrong
The tone and tenor of Mr Murali's letter indicate a veiled threat to the renowned musicians Ranjani and Gayathri for their decision to withdraw from the proceedings of the award function of Madras Music Academy. I want to ask one thing to Mr Murali....Is Madras Music Academy owned by him, just because he is holding the post of president of the academy? What is the criteria for choosing the recepient of the Sangeeta Kalanidhi Award? If music is the only criterion, are they choosing exponents of other types of music, like Western Classical, Arabic, etc.,? If they are awarding only to Carnatic Musicians, what is the guideline they follow? Will they choose a Brahmin, Hindu Basher like the one they have chosen this time, who is for substituting the words Rama with Jesus in the Kruthis of Thyagaraja, thereby destroying the basic tenet of Karnataka Sangeetam, which is Bhakthi?Are they approving that? Really Shameful and Disgusting to have such persons who don't give any value to our culture ? It's high time they are replaced by some other eminent persons who value the highly respected traditions instead of the persons from the left-oriented Hindu Ram family
Bharathiyar was also criticized by his own community for being broad minded and revolutionary. Now they own him after he became National icon. 🤔
Just like Ambedkar is owned and disowned as per convenience ?
@@nielniel3384 Who disowned Ambedkar?
Sudha mam got dushyant wrong. Chinnamoulana was asthana vidwan of Srirangam. He did not speak of the religion of the singer but just that our compositions are based on bhakthi and not just music
Most undeserving person for such a respected award.
Who is the Saguni in the whole drama??? Murali or Krishna or.. ....????
Sudha Ji, do you like your own sound:
Very Nice Reel Viduthal,
let me explain sir, I used to enjoy your program from time to time, but you have no idea of why this person TMK is facing such stiff opposition, what to know the reason
1. He was anti national in all aspects
2. He was anti only against certain community, if I am against say one particular community
I will be taken for a task, even legally I cannot do that, but this fellow was doing it
brahmins forgave him for all his misdeamenaours.
3. He was joining hands with all anti national forces and expressing it under the garb of
musicians
4. In carnatic music there is only room for Hinduism related compositions and its Raga's also based on holistic ideas. There is no room for any other. Period , even if you try you will fail.
5. some compare this TMK to Ilayaraja. Ilayaraj is like Mount Everest and he was never anti national, anti against any particular community. Infact all his guru's were Brahmins, who embraced him and taught him at 4 am every day. He has mentioned it in his own words many times. No brahmin ever asked what community he belongs to. But all Hindus embraced him with love.
6. K J Yesudos GUru also was a Brahmin and he tel KJY stay in his own house and learn,
7. This fellow who took all from his own community and started bitting the hands that fed him not only that he joined hands with anti national forces to test the water and music was his tool.
I used to like your program but you lost your wicked in this subject for a zero, I don't care what some bjp leaders say or whether they have knowledge on music, they come and go, but Carnatic Music and all the compositions are based on Hinduism, and in fact tell your Friend TMK to stop singing Carnatic Music and sing only Raga Based music on Abrahimic faith, even I will buy the ticket and listen to him. He is a good musician, without the SOUL of the music. He is having certain type of Paranoia disease. Please help him. Let me ask him if you dont believe in God, why the Hell you sing Songs on God and make money to feed your family, as your not ashamed. Discuss this with TMK please.
By the way do you know about carnatic Music, it is 100% based on Santana Dharma, then you will ask me what is Sanatana Dharma, check for yourself or check with good people not like the one who howled on the stage to destroy Santana dharma. Even Bharathiyar compositions are based on Sanatana dharma, he even said , we have many castes in Bharatha, there is not room for outsiders to interfere ( meaning Christianity and Islam), check this song of Bharathiyar, Ayiram Oondu ingu Jathi. Thank you, pls check facts before your speak. Brahmins hold and held Devadasis on highest pedastals, in fact the last surviving devadasri living in Vayalur said this, if you want proof, check with her.
SUDHA you will should be given Shouting Kalanidhi award from the same academy
Once award is given MA has become a great institution for him and accepts all Drama . He was invited by all of a sudden this year to give a concert at MA, The deal. Was sealed ..filthy politics
Dushyanth Sridhar should stop going on air to answer amateurish questions!! Most of them vomit what is given to them ask. And above all its a waste of energy and time.
Its a waste of everyone's time to discuss about TMK and potraying him as a great man. By having discussions like this and more and more people conducting interviews only increases TMK's Ego!! Just because he thanked Mudic Academy doesnt make him a hero ...he's a Zero in behaviour who has no regard to senior musicians.
Interviewer is ignorant
Before anything I would like to request the Academy to release all the names applied to get this award this year. Are both Sow. Ranjani and Sow. Gayathri also two candidates applied this to the academy. Just because they did not get this year they can always get it later. Both sisters (or my daughters) to express their ways in way that the society will accept and as educated people both must honor the process and the candidacy. Mr. TMK even performed in a jewish temple. Have anybody seen the Nathaswaram by Sheik Kaleeshabi Mahaboob Subhano with TMK. Are they look like Hindus! Just because Amma was in a silk sari my son Dushyanji (I am then kalai) do not push that button. Even Madurai Somu is given that award?? Why just because he is.....
If we want Religion indifference and unification please do not push these bull ... buttons. How many non-brahmins were given these awards and we do not neither any one has any authority to question the Academy 's decision. Both try to accept, honor the decision so that you will get it later. Genetically Brahmin brains are highly evolved due to scores of years of training and abyasams
and it primarily due to encephalization of human cortex simply an elephants brain is small compared to iys body size but human brain is much bigger compared to his body size for which me and Dr. Casanova formulated that mathematics decades ago. So as a humble Tamilian and Adyen Dasanu Dasan emphasize that Dravida model is crushing on Brahminism not the Brahmins.
So we have to be careful and wake up unless we as Indians accept dharma which accepting religious tolerance we cannot survive any more. Rest of the world clearly see us as highly Secular so change it otherwise our children will only pay the price in 2030 and 2040. Kanmanigala Ranjani and Gayathri tolerate and be humble you will get your recognition or else your own students are going to write in their diary what you guys led a light on for them.
Just I accept braminical attitude and how many nathaswaram muciians are Brahmins and I request musicians' should not sing non-brahmin songs including Peria Samy Duran!!! or Thirupanalwar
Professor Ranganathan Parthasarathy, Psychiatry, University of Louisville, Louisville, Kentucky, USA
Please pour more honey in our ears not some molten Lead, R and G.....
dont think the award is not the crux of the controvery....his vilification and criticism and slander on other musicians is deplorable. does TMK pay the violinists and mridangam artists the same amount he demands for his concerts? then glorify him.
TMK is an awesome, talented singer and rightfully conferred this award. Let’s not waste time listening to Dushyanth S and other small time musicians
Nonsense......
Completely disrespectful anchor who is definitely one-sided! Anchors should learn to treat guests with respect.
Best anchor so far on Music Academy'a award issue.
Wonderful anchor. The two participants were unable to answer many of your questions. Thanks lot Sudha ji.
Hindustani totally traditional classical music was,& is being practiced with devotion and strictly traditional and spiritually Hindustani in Al these time by the great Muslim musicians and their students.
Music is an Art form devoid of Religious affiliation. Brahmin’s indeed monopolized all forms of Art in India. Modern day India with RUclips etc. and IIT like institutions suddenly want to only promote Brahmins, just because they had privileged education before ignoring all other talent is regressive. Same goes for Carnatic music. Krishna like Ranjani and the rest of those have narrow conception of music. They should have no voice in deciding what is a good practice or progress for Indian music. Let the audience decide, not the musicians.
anchor sucks!
TM Krishan in Ravana path in some aspects
Ravana has vidvath but don’t accept/love Rama
So in way TMK is ravana
Religion doesn't matter..yes..hence TMK shouldn't have brought caste in to the public discourse...he could have kept it aside...and done something to uplift the so called marginalized people...what has he done for music to be taught to kids of downtrodden..
What I see on display (sadly) is Brahmin self doubt and defensiveness.
The community has been so culturally battered and diminished from the time of the country's colonisation that they have come to believe that they are now responsible for uplifting all of humanity because of the ( imagined) sins of their forefathers !! And we have early Christian missionaries to thank (er blame) for this ..
The irony is that TM Krishna would not be the great singer he is today were he not born into a Brahmin family. He is the beneficiary of a lineage that transmits it's acquired learning to those with the requisite abilities. Such intellectual and artistic treasures gained over time through discipline and dedication (of the mind and spirit) are not for everyone. And why should they be ??
But thanks to modern secular ideas we have come to believe that the playing field should be levelled regardless of desire, ability or even need. The case of TM Krishna trying to teach carnatic music to children of the fishing community is one of both misplaced enthusiasm and cultural ignorance.
And if it is possible for Hindus in general and Brahmins in particular to level criticism at their own people and traditions it is only because they are flowing streams in the ocean of sanatana dharma that allows for pluralistic thinking and dissent within its multiple folds. Can you say this for any other religion or faith system? Would TM Krishna be as vocal and vitriolic about social shortcomings if he was a member of the Muslim or Christian communities ?
Little to his realisation he is throwing the baby out with the bathwater !!
Brahmins of Bharath and the world please own your game. Your contribution to this land and its culture is invaluable and perennial 🙌 ❤
It could have been much better with greater preparation by the host who seemed to think she is Arnab Goswami. No respect and a lot of bias. Hasn't done any research on Music Academy. Her knowledge of the 3 saints is zero.
On the whole it was a very hollow debate, and inconclusive
One begins to hate this anchor presiding over this conversation as a judge giving her verdict on a case, with her brash attitude. Seems she is a biased ev supporting anchor, and she easily gives up her role as an anchor and sits on this as a counterpart for the scoundrel TM Krishna.
Anchor is biased
Not logical
So devoted to TMK as if Carnatic music will die in absence of him
Unpleasant debate
N murali, N. Ram i wonder any relation between these two.
Brothers
Brothers
RESPECT UR GURUS first,,what ever he achieved as a performer,will cease to exist,if he spat on thygaraja and MS ...interviewer have no idea about what happend...
All Brahmins, are not gifted singers or musicians.. And we do have child, prodigies lije, MS, amma and the recent Rahul Vellal. Of course even our late President Shri Abdul Kalam was, great instrument player(veena) who was from a different religion altogether.. So music is inborn mostly and passion and dedication towards music makes artists.. Thats, all...!
Here we can take it as family gifts family and forget, about it. Else..
We Sanatanis have to have to understand that whatever caste or creed you may belong the idea is to create a divide amongst all of us just before elections..Divide and rule policy that's ALL. Stay strong friends.. Don't fall into this trap/crap..Jai Bharat. 🇮🇳🙏
It is fashion for all these people to say brahmincal hegemony. If someone abuses me, can I still say smilingly attend his performance and wish him. Nonsense advise. If it happens to adviser then it is interesting to his/her behaviour. It is easy to preach.
A very articulate Lady.. but dominant and lacks ability to listen..listen to understand and slams her views ..stiil, a good discussion and soon enough sinks into a time pass…
Sudha is very irritating
If he had boycott MMA for 10 yeaes, Award is purchased by TMK😂
नमस्ते.
Yes.need such protest
Hey you guys cut out the negativity! I think she s doing a great job!
Apswara Sangeetha by sangita kalanidhi😮
Moderator is uninformed and brings her personal biases into the debate. She is brash and doesn't allow the debator ( the one whose point of view she doesn't agree with) enough air time
The musician TMKrishna is acting as directed by some one may be for some petty benefit. Better ignore this misfit and don't make him great by talking about him. He is not worthy of consideration as an artist of repute. Honouring such an unworthy person the Music Academy has degraded their stature may also be as a favour to somebody. Boycotting such institutions by those who really respect the great art is the fitting concern that can be expressed. Carnatic music lovers should boycott TMKrishnas concerts as well as a protest against his unworthy behaviour. Jai Sri ram
Interviewer Sudha is clueless or acting like one. She has no idea what Dushyant is trying to say about TMK singing Thangarajah Kristi and in the same breath sing about EVR. She is completely writing off and changes subject due to ignorance or her boss telling her on her ear phone.
She also throws around “cancel” culture as a fancy thing. DMK is doing cancel culture. How many Brahmins r there in DMK is there a Dravidian hegemony they talk about?
Vidya dadati vinayam
But here he is alpa Vidya maha garvi. So no vinayam
It seems these days tm krishna is not keeping well so he is going berserk aganst music legends and divine karnataka music allways some mediyokers some how come to li me light light mediyokers used make lot of noise with out knoing their limitations😢
worst anchoring ; she should know the basic manners & how to respect the person she's interviewing & not question them like s judge ; Dushyanthji was too humble & was answering her very patiently !! she was repeatedly saying that T N Krishna's a great artist ' ; the topic is not about whether he's a great artist or not ; even if he's a great Artist , he has to follow certain code of conduct & he can't disrespect anybody , that too great legends like M.S S , etc ; the anchor justified that by saying that even lata Mangeshkarji was into many controversies ; what kind of comparison is this ?? this anchor needs to do her homework properly before interviewing anyone ; she can't be so biased 😮
The persons on the Award-giving Committee responsible for awarding Sangeeta Kalanidhi title to T M Krishna should be sacked pronto, irrespective of their individual stature or financial contribution.
This is a sly attempt at political control over Hinduism.
Reeks of Wokeism.
This anchor is backing TM Krishna like his husband😂😂😂
Social reform? This is absolute nonsense.....TM Krishna is one among the many in joining the bandwagon in the name of social reform like the rogue EVR....
12:20 not a valid / relevant point at all from anchor.
What a lousy anchor ./Shame
This anchor also speaks like a woke. Dushyanth wastes his time and energy in explaining her. Why this announcement h😊as come so early this year? Is the announcement connected with elections?
Worst anchor ever!! Not sure who hired her
Too long question ❓
Most of it are biased questions.
Not only karnatic mucisians , but also karnatic music lovers in general should raise objections to this very wrong action taken by the music academy.
He doesn't deserve any award as a great musician ..he is just a singer & not a perfect scholar..he is & looks very highly proud & is having top heavy bottom lose personality...
Times are not for the right people...kaalathin kolam....such awards have lost their sheen.. the award will feel ashamed for conferring it it on most undeserving people 😢
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