I thought the ICMB attack was pretty major thing and I was surprised how quickly the MSM got over it. I assume the reason was that they don't really want to talk about it, but also couldn't ignore it. So they sort of brushed it off as "nothing to see here folks, Oreshnik-missiles are too expensive, yada yada". Meanwhile, the US has been firing tomahawk missiles at goatherders for two decades. I think the attack caused a major stir among NATO strategists.
the problem is that the west can intercept ORESHNIK. That their impenetrable Patriot system is useless. Don't look good at all when they keep saying Ukraine is winning.
Not really. It’s just a modified ICBM missing one stage and adding some extra payload. The payload itself is dumb. What we saw was essentially man made meteorites. They are damaging, but not as big a deal as a several 1000Kg glide bomb which is also impossible to stop. It’s a bit of a flop. Putin hoped to make more of it, but clearly, even those who created it think it’s a bit of a joke.
The Kiel institute's analysis of the German economy was very interesting and shows that we are heading for a deeper crisis than we think. Wealth inequality is something that tends to reach a certain point and then "stuff happens".
"Seven Days to the River Rhine" wasn't a Soviet first-strike scenario, it was a retaliatory scenario, as explained on the very same Wikipedia page you scrolled over: _" The scenario for the war was NATO launching a nuclear attack on Polish and Czechoslovak cities in the Vistula river valley area in a first-strike scenario, which would prevent Warsaw Pact commanders from sending reinforcements to East Germany to forestall a possible NATO invasion of that country."_ _"A Soviet nuclear COUNTER-STRIKE would be launched against West Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and North-East Italy."_
@Millennium7HistoryTech all this is insanity, im American army veteran. Make me sick to see all the wasted lives over almost nothing. This whole thing could have been avoided 30 years ago had our American leadership embraced Russia after the fall of the Soviet union. Our two great countries worked together to stop facisim and won! Our two great nations competed to put men in space. Because of Russia we all have global satellite communications with one little sputnick. Men have been to the moon and currently live and work in space! Imagine what our two great nations could do if we actually combined our might and determination! Im an American but i consider the Russian people my brothers and sisters. We are not enemies.
@@paulcooverjr.6947 The Russian people and the Russian government used to be two different things, but due to the media being in the pocket of the politicians, they merged back into the same thing. I agree the US missed an opportunity during the brief "glasnost" era, but in their defense, they were conditioned to view the red threat as the chief evil of the late 20th century. By the time minds started to change, the Russians fell back into their old ways.
@@32chaco35 I'd like to understand how the average Russian justifies invading Ukraine in the first place. At the end of the day, it seems to me that Russia was the aggressor. Ukraine did not start this thing by driving tanks into Rostov-on-Don. It was Russia that first took Crimea, and then decided they wanted the rest. NONE of this would have happened if Putin was content with his own country. Russia is the largest country on earth. Why take more land?
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McGregor, Davis, Ritter, Nima all have had guests discussion this game changing weapon, the West now behind by 10 years with no defense. The day after.
@@charleswood2182 I wouldn't say that is true. The U.S. and Germany fielded the Pershing II ground launched MRBM in the 1980s. There is absolutely no reason a conventional warhead with MIRVs could not have been attached to it. There have also been variants of the Trident SLBM launched with conventional warheads. As we speak, the U.S. is getting ready to field its "Dark Eagle" hypersonic boost-glide vehicle which will serve the same purpose of Oreshnik, and it will also be able to be fired by Army artillery in a ground launched setting, as well as from Navy surface ships. Oreshnik doesn't necessarily represent new technology, but it does represent innovative technology and a great example of systems integration. Now that the cat is out of the bag, it's fairly easy to create a weapon that does the same thing with systems that already exist.
@@VisibilityFoggy With you not citing sources I won't bother researching your claims. I put names up above as sources; to which I add Lawrence Wilkerson. You? Don't even post with your own name. I do, so it's me walking my talk, not an avatar or such. But from your fantasy above (what else could it be without sources?), you sound like you just can't wait for all life on the planet to be wiped out by human beings. If you can't see the evil behind the American empire? You don't have any idea who you are. Hence, the blindness you allude to by choice of a stage name. Get real.
The problem with such a "decapitation strike" would be that it would be indistinguishable from a nuclear attack until the things landed by which time an all out nuclear war may have already started
Thats the point. Now nato has to guess. Remember nato throws away its conventional advantage if they kick start nuclear war. They dont want this to happen Russia can keep them guessing. Each oreshnik launch will be a gamble. Nuke or not? 😂
It'a not different from a similar strike that the NATO would do using their conventional means. Both sides would give a nuclear response if they think they have a good chance of losing.
@@alispeed5095 considering the way missile attack detection works and the nature of dead hand systems it's more of a gamble for an attacker then it is for a defender. When a missile is approaching your position and all alarms are buzzing you would rather fire everything you have than risk dying for nothing if you guessed wrong. That's why the whole idea of using Ukraine as a proxy for missile attacks on Russian defences is stupidly dangerous. There is very little difference between conventional missile from Ukraine sniping the nuclear missile silo or nuclear missile from the US doing it.
No so fast. Let me remember that the key to a nuclear response is not in Europe, but on the other side of the ocean, in the USA. It was already quite doubtful that a nuclear attack against strategic objectives in Germany, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, etc. would be immediately responded by a nuclear attack from Washington, assuming, without hesitation, the nuclear retaliation against the United States territory. Published doctrine is one thing and quite another to sacrifice millions of American citizens to defend distant countries that most of those Americans citizens are unable to locate on a map. Now with oreshnik the USA has an additional excuse to delay its response.
Bruh it’s underreported because Russia released no information whatsoever despite obviously having a proper 4K video. Nope get this cctv crap and imagine the might. And let us explain 15 hours later because you are not scared. LOL
I agree. The MAGNITUDE of this cannot be understated. Aegis CANNOT shoot these down. Patriots cannot shoot these down. Thaad is the ONLY thing that "might" (keyword might) intercept these as they arc back towards Earth. We have 9 carriers that we relied on for decades to coast up to nations and throw Tomahawks at them that are quite literally defenseless sitting ducks not JUST to Russia; China has the Wang 2, and "Sunburn" hypersonic missles as well. No one is considering that we are bringing a horse and buggy to a modern laser fight
Nah. I’m sick of this milking bullsht. He knows better than anyone that a launch of oreshnik without warning will be assumed a nuclear strike. US launch on warning policy gives 6 minutes to respond after SBIRS picks up the missile. It takes another 10minutes to infer the trajectory and target. It doesn’t matter where he’s living, his ass will be toast in a nuclear war along with 6-7billion of us. Oreshnik isn’t a game changer. It’s a suicide weapon. M7 will be toast along with 6-8 billion of the rest of us regardless of where he lives.
Tbh i'm skeptical of those interception rates. Hard to believe that every 4th Kinzhal has been intercepted and that Ukraine would be willing to expend so many high-end Patriot interceptors per missile. That's simply unsustainable considering production rates are quite low, around 650 per year.
The thing is, the Ukrainians make claims of pretty much anything they feel creative about on any given day. Then you see the destruction and impact that the strikes have and one has to wonder: "If you are so great at intercepting these, how come all your industry, power generation, military facilities are battered so badly?". Not talking about Kinzhals and Zirkons, but in general. I am pretty sure that 'some' of the slower missiles and drones get intercepted, but the Ukrainian AD cannot really boast any meaningful performance at this point in time. Of course, the MSM will spread any and all claims of miracles made by official Ukraine, hence the often ludicrous numbers (like 31K Ukrainian soldiers KIA that Zelensky reported a few months back and everyone ran with it).
That really depends how crucial whatever that AD is protecting, could be vital to the operation of your war or country. AD missiles will be depleted if so.
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I absolutely am charmed. I haven't been so enthralled with a country since I started learning about Ireland and her struggle for freedom. I'm ashamed to be an American when I learn about the underhanded things my government has done and continues to do. I don't blame Russia one bit for going into Ukraine and anyone who has done some fair minded research would not blame Russia either.
I honestly have far greater fear of China, yet Russia does remain a threat, geopolitically. It has never been a question of right or wrong, or of the decency contained within the bosoms of friend and foe. War is the process where we neglect ourselves to the depth of our souls. Sane people do not conflate a government with their people. The difference is a huge one.
@@Steven-p4j Уточните. А где прочитать текст с угрозами? Это США к концу 1945 года запланировали массовую ядерную брмбардировку России. Проект назывался - "дроп шот". При этом Россия даже планов уничтожения США ни разу не разрабатывала. Что не помешало США в 1999 году разбомбить Югославию. Вспоминать будем, куда США вторгались за последние 50 лет? Афганистан, Ирак, Сирия, Корея, Вьетнам...... Ну, и кто тут агрессор? Как правило, в слабых странах имеющихз нефть, США очень быстро находили нарушение прав человека и отсутствие демократии. В Сомали нефти нет, а значит отсутствие демократии и нарушение прав человека никому не интересно.
I say milk it hard! It is not every day when we witness something truly meaningful happening. This is a game-changer worthy of its name. All the HIMARS, Abrams and such that were claimed to be game-changers are a joke compared to this.
Putin addressed many key factors about hypersonic technology in his speech. No one listens. The sheer velocity atomizes the target area and doesn’t require a munition. A munition, nuclear or not, just makes it more devastating.
I think people getting obsessed with minutiae and not heeding the warning. In the same speech he said "More such products may show up shortly on our menu of the products of this class, if I may put it that way. As they say, customer satisfaction is guaranteed."
Correct but misleading. The media constantly gets this wrong. The innovative idea about hypersonic missiles isn't that they can hit a target really fast. Both east and west have had hypersonic missiles for many decades now. How do you think we sent men to the moon and put satellites in orbit? We've achieved hypersonic speeds a long, long time ago. The key difference is that the new "hypersonic" missiles don't follow the classic ballistic arc, rather, that they maneuver. This complicates the intercept considerably and makes "hypersonic" missiles a problem.
@@КонстантинБаранник-я6ы bwahahahaha, thats fucking rich thanks to him you live in a Stalinist time hope you get sent to the gulag for thinking the wrong thing you dictator lover
It's just lobbing things at your enemy with orbital capability. I don't mean it's something to ignore but every country with a space programme can put a KE mass anywhere.
It’s not new at all. What it is, is idiotic because it’s capable of inadvertently starting nuclear war. WW3 lasts about an hour. A year after it’s over less than 1B people will be alive still. The breakdown of global trade, inability to get fertilizer, food, energy or medication will kill just about everyone on the planet, assuming it’s RU vs USA. That’s why nobody else uses it. It’s not new. It’s completely outside of US force structure and composition. It’s suicidal.
"We give you light and warmth" is the slogan of Russia's strategic missile forces. There is also Gazprom. It also gives light and warmth. But here everyone in the West will choose for himself what is closer to him.
You should cover the atmospheric skimming ability of the missile, which means it has _plasma stealth_ at high mach, further hiding it from radar and extending the range by using the atmosphere like a surf board on water. All EM signals are blocked by plasma so no radar return on atmospheric transit or terminal descent, basically invisible to ground based radar (but not IR). Nevermind that anyway as you can't stop this with traditional missile defense system. Ted Postol (MIT prof) has some very detailed breakdowns of the mechanisms he believe are in play and theres a lot more to the Oreshnik coming out. If 1 warhead = 100kg then Kinetic Energy @ mach 10 (3.313km/s) = 548.8 MJ = 131 kg of TnT × 36 warheads = 4,716 kg of TnT So the impact energy alone is already equivilent to 4.7 tons of TnT, essentially a FAB 5000, but with no explosive core. Edit: It appears the kenetic energy of impact is greater than an equivilent mass of explosive, by approx 1.5x, so it's actually better to increase the mass using something like Tungsten or Depleted Uranium which is extremely dense as KE = 1/2 Mass × Velocity². TnT has far less density, less mass per volume than a metal, so it looks like they went with a full kinetic impactor approach replacing traditional explosives. They could greatly increase the KE of each warhead if they used just 6 sub munitions (instead of 36), increasing the mass of each impactor by at least 6 fold and reducing the bus complexity.
There is no documentation of the skimming that I know. I believe it is a low semi-ballistic trajectory. I may be wrong, but that is what I could understand.
There seems to be widespread misunderstanding that this was an atmosphere-skimmimg "hypersonic" missile. This was stimulated by misleading videos circulating at the time which claimed to show its launch... which actually showed a space rocket into orbit. But look at the near vertical trajectory of the projectiles. This was a conventional ballistic missile, fired at short range so very high trajectory. If course the reentry vehicles are hypersonic but that doesn't mean they had any aerodynamic guidance.Totally consistent with a modified SLBM as Millennium 7 surmised.
If you stop first, then you can shift into reverse. Start by just tapping the brakes. If that doesn't work, maybe someone can shoot out a tire or two. This May have been what happened, IDK. Who are our leaders ------------------------------------------- I'm curious. Have a good one :D
Our leaders know full well what they are doing. The Top 1% worship Lucifer with all their heart and soul. They genuinely believe that a mass death event from war will finally bring about the Messiah they've been waiting for aka the First Coming. Unfortunately, the churches who believe that it will be a Second Coming of Jeebus are backing them 100% and for the same reason. If you're in a church, get out yesterday and don't look back.
The Oreshnick is an important development because it has the decapitation capabilities of a nuclear weapon. The Russians may well demonstrate this capability before the end of the year.
And yet you don't even know with anything like certainty the results the Oreshnik produces. So far there are only competing claims and suggestive evidence.
This guy is amateur, just another seeker for the hype. Im probably know much more about the rockets simply watching at them in my window. This shit isnt a weapon of future. Some balistick warhead was burned in atmosphere, other get so far from target that it hited private houses on the otskirt of the town, second rocket doesnt even get to our territory, it just blows after the start and that strike was not even strong. Its basically 50kg in trotile equivalent. Its enough to kill some pedestrians on the street or to blow few old houses but cant damage production builduings. Shahed are much more dangerous because there are hundreds of them with the same power. And kyndzal is much more powerful, you can feel it hits the ground in many miles. Russia has many other old rockets that are worse.
@ there is a name for people like you. But, if I call you that here, my comment will be removed. So, instead I will ask a question. Just how retarded are you?
No. Please don’t. He’s already said nothing new. Nothing someone hasn’t already said before him. In fact he glosses over shit and only gets views because he takes a pro-axis position on things to milk the ragefest. I’m unsubscribing now.
@@brown_cow_123 Hahahaha! No, my dear, I'm not. Ah, but I DID elaborate -- in a separate comment. Basically, this is an experimental piece, which means that it's been laboratory-produced in 10-12 units -- no more. The Ru army does not have it, and it's not part of their nuclear triad. As a conventional weapon carrier, it's quite worthless -- it's extremely imprecise (~100m accuracy), which isn't a problem for a nuke, but is a huge problem for conventional. Look at the satellite photos of the intended target -- the level of destruction is way, way smaller than from a Kh-59, or any other conventional missile. Certainly, it does not warrant this fear that the author of this video is trying to stoke. This is mostly psyops. A new level of nuclear sabre-rattling. Also, if you watch the video, pay attention -- the author does not give you any new info, any new analyses, or anything new! Nothing! Just "be afraid"! So, you go ahead and "be afraid"! I'll just lean back and wait for the Ukrainians to finish the last of the old-style empires still in existence.
I served in the Swiss armed forces during the Cold War. We prepared for nuclear attack by either side NATO and /or Warschau Pact to prevent a potential outflanking of the line of contact through Switzerland. This resulted in thousands of underground nuclear bomb shelters and a program that ensured each citizen had a place underground with food water and filtered air for at least 2 Months.
Very informative and good analysis. Keep the videos coming. Don't worry about revisiting a topic. If there is more information to be shared then we prefer it to be coming from you. Thanks
Well it's is good that the West is aware, and needs to research an answer, if were not defending Ukraine we be taken by surprise he has let the cat out of the bag by using these weapons, must believe there no answer, one answer make our own
We won’t be taken by surprise because they have to announce usage of the weapon lest it’s mistaken for a nuclear weapon. We can’t even get good trajectory information until it’s 5 minutes out.
If intercepting objects moving that fast was an effective option, we wouldn't be sending missions in space to see if could nuke them before they hit Earth. It doesn't help that those "warheads" (I'd call them war nails) use pure kinetic force and even if you hit them, you'd probably achieve no or very limited results, akin to pedestrian jumping in front of car moving 200km/h to stop it. That's a bad example, make that car go 10000km/h.
There's only 7 Thaad batteries, in like over 20 years of existence, there's an 8th one projected to be aquired but that's insanely low, that make the weapon a strategic target.
THAAD may not be the ideal system to counter an intermediate missile like this because it is designed to intercept in the terminal phase of flight. Ie, after the warheads may or may not have dispersed their MIRVs. AEGIS is likely a better system to counter Oreshnik because SM-6 is designed to counter a missile like this in the intermediate phase of flight while it is in one piece at hypersonic speed and still exo-atmospheric. I find it very interesting that the Russians didn't deploy Oreshnik until weeks after the Patriot battery in Dnipro had been run out of interceptors, and after they deployed it, the US trippled its annual order of Pac-3 Patriot interceptors. But do with that info what you will.
Well if they were waiting for the interceptors to run out they would have dropped Oreshnik days after not weeks imo, seeing how Israel has literally every kind of interceptor system installed and those can't stop a lot of much slower missile I really don't think Russia thought that the Patriot could have stopped Oreshnik@@thunderxgod01
@@aenodarr Research the October 10th and Oct 26th attacks on Dnipro. They hit a Patriot launcher there which means the battery was out of interceptors and three weeks later Oreshnik. YT won't let me say more than that on the topic without deleting my comment unfortunately.
@@thunderxgod01 That's a bold assumption you made there. I remember one particular video showing Kiev Patriot battery being hit by Kinzhal or Iskander seconds after it launched all of its rockets into the abyss.
Not milking it. This is an incredibly significant moment. It needs to be thoroughly analysed. Expect to revise whatever analysis is made... we have less information on this system than we do other items of military equipment. Which means any analysis will change as more information becomes available
Regarding the pointlessness of equipping these warheads with nuclear charges, I think you may be mistaken. Back in Soviet times, for the ACS 2C3, on which I served, there were 152 mm shells weighing 48 kilograms with a nuclear charge of 1.5 - 3 kilotons in TNT equivalent. If you imagine a swarm of warheads with similar charges, sinking to a certain depth, then synchronizing with each other and exploding simultaneously, you can get a guaranteed defeat of the object without using false targets.
Kinetic weapons make the need for explosives redundant. They also leave the highly polluting nuclear option a poor second choice. Creating an unusable wasteland is futile an endeavour.
Has someone already mentioned how the line patterns of the impacts almost perfectly align with the plant's buildings? The accuracy and precision of that thing might actually be quite impressive.
Even before the war it was said (data more reliable from then), that they produce 6-8 Kinzhals per month. Even if they did not ramp up production they should have hundrets of them available.
Defense contractors are working 24x7 now, salaries up by 500%. There are some regions where welding a fence, fitting new windows or installing AC implies paying +200% and waiting for 3 weeks because all the qualified workers are working you know where.
Cz_Podle mých odhadů měla střela Orešnik výbušnou sílu 4.7 kilotuny TNT a Japonská Hirošima měla 20 kilotun TNT, rozbitá okna v okruhu tří kilometrů a popraskané zdi v okruhu jednoho kilometru je zemětřesení přes 5 stupňů.Což napovídá že můj odhad je správný a sekundární detonace vypařené hmoty musela udělat velkou díru ale to co na satelitních snímcích vidíme je buď snímek staršího data nebo fotomontáž.
You made a mistake in your calculations.Remember the law of conservation of energy. The power of a rocket cannot exceed the calorific energy of its fuel.
I ran the calculations for mach 11, and 36 100 kg warheads of tungsten would deliver 700 more kgs of tnt worth of energy that the same volume of tnt, if we include the velocity of the tnt as energy.
Except that energy would be sent deep into the ground rather than outwards. Good for bunkers and single hardened targets, but worthless for widespread damage.
You need to allow some weight for the guidance and bus systems though, don't think you'll get an actual payload of 36 off 100kgs warheads. I calculated that 100 kgs ot tungsten moving at Mach 10 would have the same energy as 138 kgs of TNT, but the energy would act in a very different way, the tungsten warhead will penetrate what it hits and keep moving until all energy is expended, conventional explosives will produce a circular shock wave and fragment dispersal if using proximity fusing.
@@killsode4760 also ships, suppose that could be single harden targets, the cost of the missle limits it to ships, bunkers and air defence systems anyway.
Do the Russians know of some important military/governmental underground facilities in Europe we have no knowledge of? Could certainly look like that, right?
@@adrien5834 SO what you are saying is that hypersonic (in the Athmosphere) missiles are here since the 70's? Oh wait... you slept through physics again?
@@WanderfalkeAT This doesn't mean anything. All ICBMs travel much faster than this missile and have existed since the 1950s. MIRVs have existed since the 1970s. These are ancient technologies.
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.... said by the retard who cannot even write a gramatically correct sentence. Noted ! Your total lack of respect is reflective of your intellectual level and therefore taken with a the disdain it deserves.
💡 *_Why can't Oreshnik concept be combined with Falcon-9 reusability concept? Critics of Oreshnik say it's not cost-effective. But Falcon-9 reusability is supposed to help make things cost-effective. So why not combine both ideas together? Have reusable booster launch the warhead payload, and then after booster separates it can land back on ground (or on barge, or on TEL vehicle) Booster can thus be recovered and prepped for re-use. This can help lower the costs of WW3. (We won't worry about how to make WW4 cheaper, since that will be fought with sticks and stones anyway.)_*
My god sir, its the third video, this week, on the same topic i guess theres always a new information everyday and really explain how much we don't know about this weapon
The problem with a conventional decapitation strike is that it is completely indistinguishable from a nuclear strike and would automatically warrant a full nuclear counterstrike on detection. And detection would inevitably be seen during boost phase of the launch vehicles. So you’re still at the same place you started when you had the nuclear decap option.
On ICBM's flying from one continent to the other - You would be right! But this is more like a Kinshal or SCUD! NATO can very well see that the Missile is not Intercontinental! And decapitation here is used to decapitate NATO forces in and around Ukraine. Destroying Railway Hub's, Airbases, Warehouses, Bunkers, Air Defenses, Energy Production and Delivery inside and close to Ukraine. It is more like NATO is a Soldier entering a Room and the lights go out.
They can't know ... And I guess this demonstration was meant to illustrate just how fast everything is actually approaching critical. A point meant for the western brass to consider seriously. I mean, generals have children too, right?
we all know right that this Oreshnik going to get more upgrade and continue to improve it. It nature of arms race. Remember how FAB-series suddenly get huge roll out as the army saw how it effective work.
Honestly this is one of the very few topics that should be "milked" as there's so much to uncover as we're treading new waters in the realm of warfare. Keep up the good work!
3:17 - I do not agree with this one assessment: 1) based on the warhead weight limitations, I am not sure if a decapitation strike as described is actually possible, if it were to be made with a conventional warhead 2) based on the Cuba Crisis scenario we know that the Sowjet (now Russian) nuclear doctrine was always "responsive / second strike" while it was the NATO doctrine that was always "aggressive / first strike" and the US was always afraid of Russia changing this doctrine, which was what actually triggered the crisis. 3) Even the current changes are not indicative of a real "first-strike" scenario from the side of Russia (always ignoring the comments and grandstanding calls from overzealous NPCs on both sides). We should remember that, when the US flew its planes over the discovered launch sites over Cuba and the military brass was salivating for a "preemptive strike" on this site, the Russian commanders did NOT launch the nukes, as the Generals totally forgot the possibility that the first site they had discovered was not the first site ready to launch. So the standing orders have been reactive and this has not (yet) changed. Therefore, the fact that Russia has developed the capability of a decapitation strike should not be intermixed with the implication that such a strike would be an indication of a doctrine change towards a first-strike scenario. The warhead capabilities of such a "limited range" rocket rather point to a continuation of the second strike doctrine, but with sharper teeth. If Russia and its to-be-defended territories of the nuclear umbrella (e.g. Belarus) are attacked, either by massive assault or by "slowly cooking the frog", then the answer will be in accordance with the capabilities laid out: nuclear, not conventional. (oops, you actually explained that part about reactive nuclear doctrine just a few sentences later, my bad. I am still very sceptical about the non-nuclear warhead on the Oreshnik to take out mostly hardened military structures.)
There is no war head. It's a kinetic energy weapon hitting you at Mach 11. The energy is the result of the mass of the penetrator and the speed. Like long dart penetrator used on the ground.
You say its the NPCs in comment sections celebrating the idea of nuclear anihilation, but its russias propaganda TV itself aswell as Putin himself that keeps threatening it, It makes no sense. Russia is just evil.
I was hesitant to sub as your channel was general info about planes etc , now it is about geopolitics i have subbed. This is the reason a huge percentage were watching without subbing when you covered hazel - they were checking out your previous videos and were not interested.
Температура стержней, падающих с неба на скорости 10 махов превышает несколько тысяч градусов по Цельсию. Энергия, выделяемая такой "болванкой" сравнима с авиационной бомбой.
It would be extremely hard and most likely impossible to hit a carrier, remember this is meant for stationary targets not moving targets... You use completely different weapons to take out carriers.
@@marcbjorg4823 In short, when diving, the projectile accelerates to mach 10 and the collision will be comparable to the explosion of a large aircraft bomb.
I heard the other day (might have been on the new atlas channel) that those Oreshnik warheads because of the speeds they travel at, hit the target at around 4000 degrees celsius.
@@jeremyr7147 Hi. Where did you get those figures from? In another comment I was making the point that everybody just assumes the warheads hit the ground at mach 11. My point, also based on the available videos, is that it hits at most at mach 4.4 or ~3400 mph.
@washussan convert the public & Russian figures of mach & temprature. it comes to like 7650 mph & 7680° farenheit. The warheads hit at faster than mach 4 imo. Fastest I've ever seen. Like a lightning bolt.
@washussan typical cloud ceiling in temperate region is 5- 12,000 meters, mach 10 is 3500 m/s. I assume the ukrianians estimated the speed based on knowing the meteorological data on cloud base height and the time from cloud to ground. Also the cheap camera can only record so many frames/ second so we see a streak.
@@jeremyr7147 Well, the ceiling can vary wildly! I'd really like to get my hands on a METAR for the region at the time of the strike. I found one, but it is behind a paywall. I really doubt the ceiling could be anywhere that high at the time, judging by the video, especially the ground light reflection. Your point about the FPS of the camera is taken. But if the playback speed is close to normal speed, the time estimate shouldn't be too far. Granted that we may not have a frame rate high enough to precisely pinpoint the times. But this is much less critical than the playback speed. It's a ballpark estimate.... like spherical cows in a vacuum :-)
regarding the solid kinetic warheads, I have two thoughts: 1) they're most likely almost indestructible because they're solid metal with no explosive core and little to no cavity inside, so exploding ratherthan direct-hitting interceptors would barely even be able to cause them to tumble 2) if they are fired at airfield runways, they will bury themselves so deep in the grouns thatthey are extremely cumbersome to remove, and filling in and pavi g overthe holes would be a very uninviting prospect due to the possibility that the warhwads actually turn out to contain explosive charges on multi-day delays. so in practice, these could make an airfield take exceptionally long to repair or dangerous to use. I suppose one could load every buried warhead with a shaped demotilion charge and bl°w them up to ensure that any explosives inside are taken care of, but then you would be left with pretty massive deep holes to fill, which still would take a while.
Since NATO countries would not know for sure if a large scale attack with oreshnik missiles is conventional or nuclear, it would just most likely react as if it was under nuclear attack and hence Armageddon. Not sure Russians would risk this
@@olexp9017 Hmmmm...Baltics vs. Humanity. Um, yeah: F em. Harsh, but this points to the utter stupidity of MAKING them NATO in the first place and forcing such a choice. They freaking BORDER Russia! Would WE have "let" Mexico (or even little Belize) into the Warsaw Pact. Putin is not one of my favorite people, but I have no problem with him/Russia being adamant about no NATO-fied Ukraine.
Походу вы не поняли, если будет произведён удар по НАТО, он будет произведён с максимальной производительностью для нашей страны, война - это война. А СВО - это сво
Complimenti per i contenuti che porti! Un saluto dall'Italia e speriamo che ci sia una svolta PACIFICA a tutta questa storia bruttissima...i Russi sono nostri fratelli come tutti i popoli!
Thank you for your continued updates on this issue. However, there was no mention of the current Russian nuclear doctrine in the sense that the need to compare the revised nuclear doctrine is not necessary since Oreshnik is not a strategic weapon but possesses strategic capabilities. By current standings, Russia has not planned for first strikes as it goes without saying that the message is: “USA & Western Forces, our conventional forces are more than you can handle, so we will even warn you giving you ample time, as we can overwhelm your defences and then you will be powerless. So STOP NOW. Don’t go there” From Russia with love!
Agree. Russia's pre-warning on their recent use of the Hazel missile and their promise to continue warning to give time for evacuation is the key to this missile's lethality and to there being no defense against it. Their purpose is not mass slaughter; their purpose is to prevent aggression - and they now have the non-nuclear weapon for that purpose.
@@maryhuckaby2239 They send hundreds of drones with the same power to slaughter people basically evry night. In my neighberhodd in few hundreds meter from me they blowed the whole house with people with kyndzal rocket. Nothing kills my faith in humankind like random person from internet who dumb enough to think thay something understand about the war. You people are really crazy.
I am no expert but I don't think any number of Patriot missiles can reach the altitude that the hypersonic module is released from. After the hypersonic module is released there is zero chance of intercepting something traveling at Mach 10 or 11. The scary part is that I am sure NATO would reply with nuclear weapons even if Russia only used conventional warheads in a successful decapitation strike. Russia would need to strike NATO assets in Eastern Europe countries that the US doesn't feel are worth a nuclear holocaust to defend.
And that's why Russia is the one playing a very dangerous and stupid game (and has been since quite some time with Kinzhals and such) : don't use nuclear capable missiles with conventional warheads.
@hongry-life ok then why didn't the missile cause any damage? where is the t-14? s-57? why did wagner go to moscow? the ruble exchange rate is falling, and the second army in the world has been using prisoners as soldiers for 3 years? in the russian federation there is a law literally allowing you to avoid criminal punishment simply by signing a contract, that is, if a person abused your wife, raped your mother, raped your father in the mouth - he can go to the front and avoid punishment. cool?
Objective and engaging presentation. The imp in me smiled at your visual for "Milking the Oreshnik Story" ... Top Tier to convince your audience to 'come hither.' LOL
Russia is currently outmanufacturing NATO (including the US) at a rate of 3 to 1. Once China gets involved which it must as they know they are next up in the crosshairs should Russia fall then this manufacturing disparity increases massively.
Russia isn't going to fall, nobody is looking to counter-invade with any long-term goal in mind. China's also a grey area, we're not yet sure if they'll go in to help Russia or allow it to crumble a bit that they get to reclaim the resource rich parts of Siberia.
The thing is, I did notice it and long before that attack happened. The defensive capabilities are weak to stop a saturation attack using hypersonic and mixed load.
So? Do you think Nato couldnt also start a nuclear war if it wanted? this isnt impressive or novel, this has been the state we were in for many decades now.
the west didn't want Tchaikovsky's masterpiece, the Nutcracker ballet, so it got The Nutflower. Everyone according to their preferences and possibilities😁😁😁
Do you think that by "all 32 launchers" they mean "32 launch canisters"? Because a PAC-2 launcher truck has 4 canisters and a PAC-3 one has 16. So for a PAC-2, 32 launch canisters implies 8 launch trucks. Although i've seen pictures from the German military of trucks carrying only 2 PAC-2 canisters or even just a single one.
i wouldn't believe a single word coming out of ukraine about shooting down hypersonics. they lied so much about it and never presented any proof beyond obvious fakes.
Germany has 72 launchers total. So they probably mean 32 launchers each firing one or two missile in a large volley since the time to react agains a hypersonic missile is too short for all 16 to be fired in rapid succession. Considering each missile costs 1 to 6 milion the implications are disturbing.
I think he just means that a couple hypersonics can deplete an entire Patriot battery, give or take. Which has indeed been observed happening in Ukraine.
@@SlayerBG93 what do YOU mean by launchers? Trucks carrying launch canisters ready to launch or individual launch canisters each containing a single missile? Because a single canister can't shoot more than a single missile per volley as it would need at least a few minutes to reload (the reloading truck needs to approach and transfer the missile to the launcher truck). And are all of Germany's launchers PAC-3 ones or do they still have some PAC-2?
@@IblameBlame According to wikipedia Germany has 72 launch trucks. Althou I am not sure if they are all mobile and mounted on trucks. So the article is indeed talking about the launchers and not individual launch canisters.
USA got no common sense bro. What they think is good, the whole world know its bad. What they think is bad, the world know its good. Their "football" played with their hands, that tells everything.
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Bonjour , merci . Vos vidéos sur l'aviation et la technologie sont géniales . Et aussi ce sujet du oreshnik , m'intéresse et vous êtes pertinent la dessus . Monsieur Alexander Mercouris ne s'y est pas trompé . Bonne journée .
No one sane starts a nuclear war? The capability to decapitate a threat without nuclear weapons is an obvious game changer. It isn't such a good idea to surround a country with military bases, thinking about a first strike, is it? Dismantling the treaties limiting some strategic weapons might have been premature. Maybe trying to recover them would be a really good idea.
This thing would be thought of as a nuclear weapon if the US wasn’t informed directly before usage. It’s not a decap strike if you tell your enemies about it first
They are still in the “test” phase of Oreshnik. Their own admission, not speculation by the West/NATO. (Trust that as you will….) The Oreshnik is a mod of the RS26 missile system, iirc. A Very recent addition to the arsenal. To call it “produceable at scale” would be a stretch at this time. Also… It was designed to carry nuclear warheads. Not conventional. Therefore it took them a while to replace the nuclear element with the simple kinetic penatrators that we saw being used. On that point… (Going back to the test phase statement…) One might ask, “why not conventional explosives in the strike, instead of simple kinetic units?” Simple answer. If you’re in the test phase of a missile program and you are at “test launch” status, you aren’t going to have explosive re-entry units on board said missile. You’ll have simple kinetic penatrators that won’t contribute to an explosion should the test launch go badly. (As we witnessed a month or so ago with the failed test launch of the Satan II ICBM. You know? The one that destroyed the entire launch complex and left a 2-300m crater in its place? Yeah, that one.) Sure, they could do it again. No question. However, it’s going to be a while and the costs related to use such as this are Astronomical! ICBM’s, MRBM’s and IRBM’s are several orders of magnitude more expensive to design and build than any other missile system in Any nations aresenal. This strike was a statement. One that Putin hoped would scare the West/NATO in to recinding permissions for ATACMS/Storm Shadow/Scalp use on Russian territory. The statement failed. Thanks for the vid.
In this case why doesn’t NATO wear its balls to come and fight on the battlefield? We talk about an alliance of more than 30 countries with 3 nuclear powers in the group
@@valeriegillet473 Because its would means NATO countries would be forced to start full scale mobilization and i bet - no matter how people supporting war, they dont want to participate themselfs, regardless what happening in ukraine.
In case of a decapitation strike, they might as well use nukes as Oreshnik will be treated as if it is a nuke delivery system... I mean what, are the Russians going to approach NATO and say 'Hey guys, we're gonna try to annihilate all the governments of all the major players in Europe tomorrow, but we're not gonna use nukes, so please don't nuke us'? Or are they going to launch a surprise attack that looks exactly like a preemptive nuclear strike and everyone will treat it as such whether it is or not, because there's no time to wait and find out.
So does this imply that NATO should adapt dispersed operations for air-forces in particular? Another question, If the warheads are kinetic, are they really possible to neutralize? They will still have the same speed and mass, after being hit.
That's my feeling, it would scythe through any explosion, surely.. if it's tough enough to heat up to 4000c and hold together at mach 11 you'd have to absolutely bullseye it to even knock it off course..
I suspect NATO has long operated dispersed operations, that would be sound doctrine for nuclear attacks, don't leave your assets where they can get hit, that's been known about since at least WW2. You may not be able to neutralize a kinetic warhead, but you can aim to knock it off target, and if you hit it with enough mass, even moving relatively slowly in the opposite direction, the energy release will be substantial, some material will end up vapourised.
Interesting given the recently reported multiple drone infringements at the US air bases in eastern England. Either actual target reconnaissance or just making a point.
Amateur drone flyers are always pushing the envelope looking for pics to sell to the news or the tv. Raised tensions accelerate this and make the bases more twitchy about it. The UK government “discovers” this when it wants news stories to beef up flagging popular support for military spending.
Това е абсурдна лъжа! Дронове над военни бази 😅 дори и гражданските летища имат анти дрон системи и са защитени, какво мислите защитава военни бази, кучета и плашила ли ?
I don't know if you've mentioned this or not, but my main concern is that now ballistic missle strikes become a shell game of sorts where it is also impossible to determine whether or not an incoming ballistic missile is a nuclear one or a conventional one, and thus leaving the question to be answered only when it might already be too late. And then there's the question rising immediately on detection of a launch, on if you have to launch nuclear missiles yourself or not. The employment of ballistic missiles in conventional warfare during the nuclear weapons era, is an audacious and an astoundingly dangerous gamble, like a box of chocolates, you never know what you might get, destroyed infrastructure or nuclear annihilation. With these kind of stakes on the table, someone, somewhere is way more likely to jump the gun and basically doom us all.
Just googled: -cost to produce Kinzhal missile is estimated to be around 10mil$ - cost to produce 1 Patriot missile costs between 1-6mil$ By acknowledging that to shoot down one Kinzhal NATO needs 32 AA missiles that means it looses between 3,2-19,2 TIMES more finance/resources on every ssuccessful shot down than Russia. -You can read different assumptions of how much the cost of one Oreshnik production and launch would cost. The highest numbers I found were at the 80mil$ mark. Given that one missile delivers 36 smaller ones that makes it 2,2mil$ per one "small" charge, which is capable of delivering an explosion capable of a FAB-1500 if loaded with HE or a "bigger badaboom" than Nagasaki if loaded with a nuke. For just 2,2xmore the cost of the CHEAPEST NATO AA missile... -And now you have 36 of those to deal with... Only in ONE missile... 2 Questions: ->Shouldn't AA systems actually punish the attacker, rendering his capabilities, making him suffer on every level, especially economic damage? -> What if Russia decides to launch 10 of those?
@@gaborszabo9683 AutoCAD drawer in US -wages ~ $60K per year - in Russia $6K...Compare the prices of housing - 20 times more in US)) GDP in the west must be divided minimum by 10.........
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Without updated target information, hitting small moving targets is very difficult, the Chinese carrier killer DF21 seems to have final guidance but a single large warhead. Something like a US carrier is probably too small a target moving too fast to be easy for this missile to hit.
@@koskok2965 - Yes and being able to remotely service and re-arm airplanes from the highway at various locations. A distributed air force is much harder to knock out when it is distributed across a wide area.
The Oreshnik chave the same effect on 49 square meter like the fireball of a nuclear bomb ( Fat Man) See calculation : Fat Man has a fierball raddi of 100 m , energy of the weapon is 18 000 000 kg of tnt multiplied by 4 Mj/kg, , equal of 72 000 000 Mj of energy on the surface of fireball. fireball surface is 502 640 square meter . 72 000 000 / 502640 is 143.2 Mj/sqm Energy of a projectile if the summ of mass on impact is 1000 kg, speed is 3743 m/sec ,means the energy of the warhead is 7005 Mj. Means if a mechanism could spread the mass of the warhead effectivly then energy on the surface of the cross section of the dispersion cone will be eqivalent of the surface energy of th Fat Man nuclear explosion fireball on the 48.9 square meter cross section. Means if the impact speed 3743 m/sec, mass 1000 kg, and the dispersion mechanism is very good then it could make the same effect on 48.9 square meter like a nuclear bomb. Magnitude looks ok for first reading. Opinions?
so 4 meter radius of destruction if projectile shatters on the impact, if it goes into the ground than there will be hole in the ground ----- as i said under last video, 30 meter from this impact will be very loud but not lethal
Do the Russians know of some important military/governmental/big-tech underground facilities in Europe the rest of us have no knowledge of? Could certainly look that way, right?
@@iagokhvipsen8487 You do not take into account the fact that when a body flying at such a speed meets a body 10,000 times denser than air, then the body at this speed passes from one to another aggregate state, a good example is a cumulative jet, that is, once a metal, turns into essentially burning hundreds of millimeters of a red-hot drop. therefore, depending on the material used, the warhead can be soft, in order to turn into a kinetic cloud upon contact with the surface.
@@REDHUNTER22rus Or it can be dispersed by a charge. Say it is a 1:40 W:L heavy head, thin wall tungsten rod, filled up with tungstend dust, and a thin HE charge in the middle. 50 meters above the ground it trigered, and disparsing the dust in the rod sideways by 3 km/sec. Means the full energy of the rod will dispersed over a 100 meter diameter circle. Like creating a 100 kg heavy thin blanket of tnt, appart from that it is twice as much efficient - it will give all energy to the target, and the TNT blanket will discharge half of its energy to the atmosphere .
I thought the ICMB attack was pretty major thing and I was surprised how quickly the MSM got over it. I assume the reason was that they don't really want to talk about it, but also couldn't ignore it. So they sort of brushed it off as "nothing to see here folks, Oreshnik-missiles are too expensive, yada yada". Meanwhile, the US has been firing tomahawk missiles at goatherders for two decades. I think the attack caused a major stir among NATO strategists.
the problem is that the west can intercept ORESHNIK. That their impenetrable Patriot system is useless. Don't look good at all when they keep saying Ukraine is winning.
That is why they had an emergency meeting
MSM report what it's owners tell it.
Bl # ack # Ro # ck.
Not really. It’s just a modified ICBM missing one stage and adding some extra payload. The payload itself is dumb. What we saw was essentially man made meteorites. They are damaging, but not as big a deal as a several 1000Kg glide bomb which is also impossible to stop. It’s a bit of a flop. Putin hoped to make more of it, but clearly, even those who created it think it’s a bit of a joke.
@@nockianlifter661Cope
The Kiel institute's analysis of the German economy was very interesting and shows that we are heading for a deeper crisis than we think. Wealth inequality is something that tends to reach a certain point and then "stuff happens".
Especially in Russia, >20% OCR and inflation likely higher, that risk is more on Russian side than German.
@@AndreTheBataShoeSalesman other way around dude. Germany is collapsing.
Russia has a export surplus, which is going to affect interest and exchange rates. But the ones in trouble are clearly Europe.
@@AndreTheBataShoeSalesman Was much worse during Perestroika. This inflation is nothing to them, considering wage growth is outpacing inflation.
Russia is part of europe, europe is a continent. Man o man people are not that smart these days
"Seven Days to the River Rhine" wasn't a Soviet first-strike scenario, it was a retaliatory scenario, as explained on the very same Wikipedia page you scrolled over:
_" The scenario for the war was NATO launching a nuclear attack on Polish and Czechoslovak cities in the Vistula river valley area in a first-strike scenario, which would prevent Warsaw Pact commanders from sending reinforcements to East Germany to forestall a possible NATO invasion of that country."_
_"A Soviet nuclear COUNTER-STRIKE would be launched against West Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and North-East Italy."_
Correct, but the retaliation opened with a decapitation strike
@Millennium7HistoryTech all this is insanity, im American army veteran. Make me sick to see all the wasted lives over almost nothing. This whole thing could have been avoided 30 years ago had our American leadership embraced Russia after the fall of the Soviet union. Our two great countries worked together to stop facisim and won! Our two great nations competed to put men in space. Because of Russia we all have global satellite communications with one little sputnick. Men have been to the moon and currently live and work in space! Imagine what our two great nations could do if we actually combined our might and determination! Im an American but i consider the Russian people my brothers and sisters. We are not enemies.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech а с чего еще надо начинать возмездие? Само слово "возмездие" говорит о том, что это ответ на атаку НАТО.
@@paulcooverjr.6947 The Russian people and the Russian government used to be two different things, but due to the media being in the pocket of the politicians, they merged back into the same thing. I agree the US missed an opportunity during the brief "glasnost" era, but in their defense, they were conditioned to view the red threat as the chief evil of the late 20th century. By the time minds started to change, the Russians fell back into their old ways.
@@32chaco35 I'd like to understand how the average Russian justifies invading Ukraine in the first place. At the end of the day, it seems to me that Russia was the aggressor. Ukraine did not start this thing by driving tanks into Rostov-on-Don. It was Russia that first took Crimea, and then decided they wanted the rest. NONE of this would have happened if Putin was content with his own country. Russia is the largest country on earth. Why take more land?
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McGregor, Davis, Ritter, Nima all have had guests discussion this game changing weapon, the West now behind by 10 years with no defense. The day after.
There are plenty of places if you research it.
@@charleswood2182 I wouldn't say that is true. The U.S. and Germany fielded the Pershing II ground launched MRBM in the 1980s. There is absolutely no reason a conventional warhead with MIRVs could not have been attached to it. There have also been variants of the Trident SLBM launched with conventional warheads. As we speak, the U.S. is getting ready to field its "Dark Eagle" hypersonic boost-glide vehicle which will serve the same purpose of Oreshnik, and it will also be able to be fired by Army artillery in a ground launched setting, as well as from Navy surface ships. Oreshnik doesn't necessarily represent new technology, but it does represent innovative technology and a great example of systems integration. Now that the cat is out of the bag, it's fairly easy to create a weapon that does the same thing with systems that already exist.
@@VisibilityFoggy With you not citing sources I won't bother researching your claims. I put names up above as sources; to which I add Lawrence Wilkerson. You? Don't even post with your own name. I do, so it's me walking my talk, not an avatar or such. But from your fantasy above (what else could it be without sources?), you sound like you just can't wait for all life on the planet to be wiped out by human beings. If you can't see the evil behind the American empire? You don't have any idea who you are. Hence, the blindness you allude to by choice of a stage name. Get real.
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The problem with such a "decapitation strike" would be that it would be indistinguishable from a nuclear attack until the things landed by which time an all out nuclear war may have already started
Thats the point. Now nato has to guess. Remember nato throws away its conventional advantage if they kick start nuclear war. They dont want this to happen
Russia can keep them guessing. Each oreshnik launch will be a gamble. Nuke or not? 😂
It'a not different from a similar strike that the NATO would do using their conventional means. Both sides would give a nuclear response if they think they have a good chance of losing.
@@alispeed5095 considering the way missile attack detection works and the nature of dead hand systems it's more of a gamble for an attacker then it is for a defender.
When a missile is approaching your position and all alarms are buzzing you would rather fire everything you have than risk dying for nothing if you guessed wrong.
That's why the whole idea of using Ukraine as a proxy for missile attacks on Russian defences is stupidly dangerous. There is very little difference between conventional missile from Ukraine sniping the nuclear missile silo or nuclear missile from the US doing it.
@@alispeed5095 NATO doesnt have to guess, US has a launch on warning policy, that is they launch no matter what
No so fast. Let me remember that the key to a nuclear response is not in Europe, but on the other side of the ocean, in the USA.
It was already quite doubtful that a nuclear attack against strategic objectives in Germany, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, etc. would be immediately responded by a nuclear attack from Washington, assuming, without hesitation, the nuclear retaliation against the United States territory.
Published doctrine is one thing and quite another to sacrifice millions of American citizens to defend distant countries that most of those Americans citizens are unable to locate on a map.
Now with oreshnik the USA has an additional excuse to delay its response.
I think the significance of the ORESHNIK strike is being underreported. The average Westerner is unaware of what happened.
Dead wrong.
We all know.
We just don’t care because we’ve heard this same thing reported already, except in a less “RUSSIA STRONK” kind of spin.
Bruh it’s underreported because Russia released no information whatsoever despite obviously having a proper 4K video. Nope get this cctv crap and imagine the might. And let us explain 15 hours later because you are not scared. LOL
people are twisting the reality, they dont see a massive explosion and say that its a weak rocket that dose damage compared to a hand granade
The significance is nil, this is a nothing burger.
Western news under reporting is a propaganda tool used not against the Russians , but used against democracy in the West.
Milk it, you are forgiven because you are inquisitive, thorough, interesting, etc.
I agree. The MAGNITUDE of this cannot be understated.
Aegis CANNOT shoot these down.
Patriots cannot shoot these down.
Thaad is the ONLY thing that "might" (keyword might) intercept these as they arc back towards Earth.
We have 9 carriers that we relied on for decades to coast up to nations and throw Tomahawks at them that are quite literally defenseless sitting ducks not JUST to Russia;
China has the Wang 2, and "Sunburn" hypersonic missles as well.
No one is considering that we are bringing a horse and buggy to a modern laser fight
And he gets straight to the good stuff, then explains why it's important
And then tops up his bank account from the propaganda budget in Moscow 😂
Nah. I’m sick of this milking bullsht.
He knows better than anyone that a launch of oreshnik without warning will be assumed a nuclear strike.
US launch on warning policy gives 6 minutes to respond after SBIRS picks up the missile. It takes another 10minutes to infer the trajectory and target.
It doesn’t matter where he’s living, his ass will be toast in a nuclear war along with 6-7billion of us.
Oreshnik isn’t a game changer. It’s a suicide weapon.
M7 will be toast along with 6-8 billion of the rest of us regardless of where he lives.
no sane person said its game changer, but its not suicide weapon either. its about sending a message 🤡🔥💵
Tbh i'm skeptical of those interception rates. Hard to believe that every 4th Kinzhal has been intercepted and that Ukraine would be willing to expend so many high-end Patriot interceptors per missile. That's simply unsustainable considering production rates are quite low, around 650 per year.
There is one video, before that content was locked down, that may support this point.
The thing is, the Ukrainians make claims of pretty much anything they feel creative about on any given day. Then you see the destruction and impact that the strikes have and one has to wonder: "If you are so great at intercepting these, how come all your industry, power generation, military facilities are battered so badly?". Not talking about Kinzhals and Zirkons, but in general. I am pretty sure that 'some' of the slower missiles and drones get intercepted, but the Ukrainian AD cannot really boast any meaningful performance at this point in time. Of course, the MSM will spread any and all claims of miracles made by official Ukraine, hence the often ludicrous numbers (like 31K Ukrainian soldiers KIA that Zelensky reported a few months back and everyone ran with it).
Ukraine uses the same propaganda department as Israel - 'lie, lie and lie again'
That really depends how crucial whatever that AD is protecting, could be vital to the operation of your war or country. AD missiles will be depleted if so.
The one where the Patriot battery is mag dumping near Kiev only to get Kinzhaled moments later?
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I absolutely am charmed. I haven't been so enthralled with a country since I started learning about Ireland and her struggle for freedom. I'm ashamed to be an American when I learn about the underhanded things my government has done and continues to do. I don't blame Russia one bit for going into Ukraine and anyone who has done some fair minded research would not blame Russia either.
I honestly have far greater fear of China, yet Russia does remain a threat, geopolitically. It has never been a question of right or wrong, or of the decency contained within the bosoms of friend and foe. War is the process where we neglect ourselves to the depth of our souls.
Sane people do not conflate a government with their people. The difference is a huge one.
@@Steven-p4j Уточните. А где прочитать текст с угрозами?
Это США к концу 1945 года запланировали массовую ядерную брмбардировку России. Проект назывался - "дроп шот".
При этом Россия даже планов уничтожения США ни разу не разрабатывала. Что не помешало США в 1999 году разбомбить Югославию. Вспоминать будем, куда США вторгались за последние 50 лет?
Афганистан, Ирак, Сирия, Корея, Вьетнам...... Ну, и кто тут агрессор?
Как правило, в слабых странах имеющихз нефть, США очень быстро находили нарушение прав человека и отсутствие демократии.
В Сомали нефти нет, а значит отсутствие демократии и нарушение прав человека никому не интересно.
Russia is NOT My enemy, love from England.
No , I love your honest insights , not at all milking it 😊
Keep up the good work 😊
The Orešnik subject is fine 🙂. Keep going.
I say milk it hard! It is not every day when we witness something truly meaningful happening. This is a game-changer worthy of its name. All the HIMARS, Abrams and such that were claimed to be game-changers are a joke compared to this.
@libertarianbydefault Not really considering the destruction caused by them , unless you are in Russia and truly believe they are all intercepted 🤣😂
The moment our narrator stops liking the anti-NATO posts, he is no longer useful to the Kremlin
Yeah we are totally ok with you milking this topic.
So nice to finally have someone out here that thinks on their own and confirms some of my thoughts, with other sources.
He’s literally said the exact same thing as everyone else.
@@xanovaria Cite one of the everyone else's.
Putin addressed many key factors about hypersonic technology in his speech. No one listens. The sheer velocity atomizes the target area and doesn’t require a munition. A munition, nuclear or not, just makes it more devastating.
I think people getting obsessed with minutiae and not heeding the warning. In the same speech he said "More such products may show up shortly on our menu of the products of this class, if I may put it that way. As they say, customer satisfaction is guaranteed."
No one listens bullshit about Putin's magical weapons.
shame that accuracy's shit lol.
Correct but misleading. The media constantly gets this wrong. The innovative idea about hypersonic missiles isn't that they can hit a target really fast. Both east and west have had hypersonic missiles for many decades now. How do you think we sent men to the moon and put satellites in orbit? We've achieved hypersonic speeds a long, long time ago. The key difference is that the new "hypersonic" missiles don't follow the classic ballistic arc, rather, that they maneuver. This complicates the intercept considerably and makes "hypersonic" missiles a problem.
CORRECT.
amazing channel! the deep dive on data without bloat or frills, is almost unique compared to other youtube channels. Once again, thx sir!
There are currently over 114 million RUclips channels. You have obviously never seen them😂
This new weapon system is so important that we definitely need more analysis on the subject!
Вам не анализ нужен этой ракеты, а в церковь сходить и помолиться за здоровье В. В. Путина. Благодаря ему, мы все ещё живы!!!
@@КонстантинБаранник-я6ы uraaa, uraaaaa, uraaaaaaaaaa
@@КонстантинБаранник-я6ы bwahahahaha, thats fucking rich thanks to him you live in a Stalinist time hope you get sent to the gulag for thinking the wrong thing you dictator lover
It's just lobbing things at your enemy with orbital capability. I don't mean it's something to ignore but every country with a space programme can put a KE mass anywhere.
It’s not new at all. What it is, is idiotic because it’s capable of inadvertently starting nuclear war.
WW3 lasts about an hour. A year after it’s over less than 1B people will be alive still. The breakdown of global trade, inability to get fertilizer, food, energy or medication will kill just about everyone on the planet, assuming it’s RU vs USA.
That’s why nobody else uses it.
It’s not new. It’s completely outside of US force structure and composition. It’s suicidal.
"We give you light and warmth" is the slogan of Russia's strategic missile forces.
There is also Gazprom. It also gives light and warmth. But here everyone in the West will choose for himself what is closer to him.
You should cover the atmospheric skimming ability of the missile, which means it has _plasma stealth_ at high mach, further hiding it from radar and extending the range by using the atmosphere like a surf board on water.
All EM signals are blocked by plasma so no radar return on atmospheric transit or terminal descent, basically invisible to ground based radar (but not IR). Nevermind that anyway as you can't stop this with traditional missile defense system.
Ted Postol (MIT prof) has some very detailed breakdowns of the mechanisms he believe are in play and theres a lot more to the Oreshnik coming out.
If 1 warhead = 100kg then
Kinetic Energy @ mach 10 (3.313km/s)
= 548.8 MJ
= 131 kg of TnT
× 36 warheads = 4,716 kg of TnT
So the impact energy alone is already equivilent to 4.7 tons of TnT, essentially a FAB 5000, but with no explosive core.
Edit: It appears the kenetic energy of impact is greater than an equivilent mass of explosive, by approx 1.5x, so it's actually better to increase the mass using something like Tungsten or Depleted Uranium which is extremely dense as KE = 1/2 Mass × Velocity².
TnT has far less density, less mass per volume than a metal, so it looks like they went with a full kinetic impactor approach replacing traditional explosives.
They could greatly increase the KE of each warhead if they used just 6 sub munitions (instead of 36), increasing the mass of each impactor by at least 6 fold and reducing the bus complexity.
There is no documentation of the skimming that I know. I believe it is a low semi-ballistic trajectory. I may be wrong, but that is what I could understand.
This isn't the skimming kind of missile the new russian ICBM's have! It's more a short to medium range ballistic missile.
Postal posits this technology falls under "boost-glide"
There seems to be widespread misunderstanding that this was an atmosphere-skimmimg "hypersonic" missile. This was stimulated by misleading videos circulating at the time which claimed to show its launch... which actually showed a space rocket into orbit. But look at the near vertical trajectory of the projectiles. This was a conventional ballistic missile, fired at short range so very high trajectory. If course the reentry vehicles are hypersonic but that doesn't mean they had any aerodynamic guidance.Totally consistent with a modified SLBM as Millennium 7 surmised.
Ted Postal Rocks!
It's like a thunder lightning, extremely fast at a blink of an eye.
The Russian Lightning
@@heimomoilanen9654... Russian "Mighty Thor"!
What Thor. It was Zeus himself riding on Pegasus.
Thor or Zeus... No one of them strikes six times by six. Its something cabbalistic, or apocalyptic: 6-6-6, 6-6-6.
Not really. It was caught on surveillance camera that has 15fps or so
We're headed on that direction, and there's no turning back. The stupidity of our leaders is bewildering.
You called them leaders but I call them rulers. There's not a single leader in Europe or in the USA.
If you stop first, then you can shift into reverse. Start by just tapping the brakes. If that doesn't work, maybe someone can shoot out a tire or two. This May have been what happened, IDK. Who are our leaders ------------------------------------------- I'm curious. Have a good one :D
You are talking about the person that is actively invading a country right?
Because thats the only thing that makes sense.
Our leaders know full well what they are doing. The Top 1% worship Lucifer with all their heart and soul. They genuinely believe that a mass death event from war will finally bring about the Messiah they've been waiting for aka the First Coming. Unfortunately, the churches who believe that it will be a Second Coming of Jeebus are backing them 100% and for the same reason. If you're in a church, get out yesterday and don't look back.
WW3 Rubicon towards Armageddon,
now you "see" how mankind gets there...
Edit for spelling only
Finally, someone who thinks! Beyond bombastic pro or counter general narative.
He doesn’t think.
A real thinker would know that an unannounced ballistic strike will be assumed to be a nuclear weapon.
@@xanovariayou are asking too much of the ruzzian bots
@@xanovaria ATACMS is ballistic missile.
@@xanovaria it doesn't have to be unannounced.
The Oreshnick is an important development because it has the decapitation capabilities of a nuclear weapon.
The Russians may well demonstrate this capability before the end of the year.
Yet another delusion. No, it does not have the destructive power of a nuclear weapon
And yet you don't even know with anything like certainty the results the Oreshnik produces. So far there are only competing claims and suggestive evidence.
"Не буди Лихо, пока оно тихо!" Русская народная мудрость.
Молись что бы эта демонстрация была на Украине а не в твоём милом, спокойном городе!!!
Meanwhile the U.S. are trying to round up the remaining NAZI scientists to get a jump on the game.
The biggest problem in a nuclear war is the submarine. These assets are silently waiting and the opponents cannot be certain where they are
The Russian nukes on these subs: 30 separate bays equals 30 nuclear warheads containing 30 separate missles.
@@rogerbrown3520 you need to locate them first.
I have a different opinion.
I am more concerned about the resulting effects of MAD than the means of implementation.
Dead is dead on both sides.
Another excellent video. So many people underestimate what this weapon system means for Russia. No wonder NATO is in a tizz.
oyvey
Its essentially identical to other ICBMs they have, right?
Why is this so special?
@@carlpanzram7081how is your comprehension so low?
This guy is amateur, just another seeker for the hype. Im probably know much more about the rockets simply watching at them in my window. This shit isnt a weapon of future. Some balistick warhead was burned in atmosphere, other get so far from target that it hited private houses on the otskirt of the town, second rocket doesnt even get to our territory, it just blows after the start and that strike was not even strong. Its basically 50kg in trotile equivalent. Its enough to kill some pedestrians on the street or to blow few old houses but cant damage production builduings. Shahed are much more dangerous because there are hundreds of them with the same power. And kyndzal is much more powerful, you can feel it hits the ground in many miles. Russia has many other old rockets that are worse.
@ there is a name for people like you. But, if I call you that here, my comment will be removed. So, instead I will ask a question. Just how retarded are you?
Dude please milk the shit out of this. This is unprecedented and every bit of info is appreciated.
No. Please don’t.
He’s already said nothing new. Nothing someone hasn’t already said before him.
In fact he glosses over shit and only gets views because he takes a pro-axis position on things to milk the ragefest.
I’m unsubscribing now.
@@xanovariaexactly
The hazel is a game changer. Surprising how many people do not understand what a big deal it is.
It's not. On both counts. It's mice into elephants situation.
@@lechatquilit You’re wrong and I will also not elaborate!
@@brown_cow_123 Hahahaha! No, my dear, I'm not.
Ah, but I DID elaborate -- in a separate comment. Basically, this is an experimental piece, which means that it's been laboratory-produced in 10-12 units -- no more. The Ru army does not have it, and it's not part of their nuclear triad. As a conventional weapon carrier, it's quite worthless -- it's extremely imprecise (~100m accuracy), which isn't a problem for a nuke, but is a huge problem for conventional. Look at the satellite photos of the intended target -- the level of destruction is way, way smaller than from a Kh-59, or any other conventional missile. Certainly, it does not warrant this fear that the author of this video is trying to stoke.
This is mostly psyops. A new level of nuclear sabre-rattling.
Also, if you watch the video, pay attention -- the author does not give you any new info, any new analyses, or anything new! Nothing! Just "be afraid"! So, you go ahead and "be afraid"! I'll just lean back and wait for the Ukrainians to finish the last of the old-style empires still in existence.
@@lechatquilit Not worth responding to.
@@lechatquilitgood cope, didn't read but good cope
I served in the Swiss armed forces during the Cold War. We prepared for nuclear attack by either side NATO and /or Warschau Pact to prevent a potential outflanking of the line of contact through Switzerland.
This resulted in thousands of underground nuclear bomb shelters and a program that ensured each citizen had a place underground with food water and filtered air for at least 2 Months.
2 months, then what?
@@nauy then cannibalism
@@nauy Then the fun begins.
Bunkers are never enough for all.
two months is enough for Zivilschutz to organize and distribute supplies etc.
Nah Man - The significance of this weapon system is worthy of the attention you’re giving it. Unlike almost everyone else!
Very informative and good analysis. Keep the videos coming. Don't worry about revisiting a topic. If there is more information to be shared then we prefer it to be coming from you.
Thanks
Definitely! One can always skip or go to the next video if it's not helpful in terms of providing additional information.
Why no mention of the failed 2nd launch? 😂
Well it's is good that the West is aware, and needs to research an answer, if were not defending Ukraine we be taken by surprise he has let the cat out of the bag by using these weapons, must believe there no answer, one answer make our own
We won’t be taken by surprise because they have to announce usage of the weapon lest it’s mistaken for a nuclear weapon.
We can’t even get good trajectory information until it’s 5 minutes out.
If intercepting objects moving that fast was an effective option, we wouldn't be sending missions in space to see if could nuke them before they hit Earth. It doesn't help that those "warheads" (I'd call them war nails) use pure kinetic force and even if you hit them, you'd probably achieve no or very limited results, akin to pedestrian jumping in front of car moving 200km/h to stop it. That's a bad example, make that car go 10000km/h.
There's only 7 Thaad batteries, in like over 20 years of existence, there's an 8th one projected to be aquired but that's insanely low, that make the weapon a strategic target.
THAAD may not be the ideal system to counter an intermediate missile like this because it is designed to intercept in the terminal phase of flight. Ie, after the warheads may or may not have dispersed their MIRVs.
AEGIS is likely a better system to counter Oreshnik because SM-6 is designed to counter a missile like this in the intermediate phase of flight while it is in one piece at hypersonic speed and still exo-atmospheric.
I find it very interesting that the Russians didn't deploy Oreshnik until weeks after the Patriot battery in Dnipro had been run out of interceptors, and after they deployed it, the US trippled its annual order of Pac-3 Patriot interceptors. But do with that info what you will.
Well if they were waiting for the interceptors to run out they would have dropped Oreshnik days after not weeks imo, seeing how Israel has literally every kind of interceptor system installed and those can't stop a lot of much slower missile I really don't think Russia thought that the Patriot could have stopped Oreshnik@@thunderxgod01
@@thunderxgod01 Where's the source that patriots were out of missiles?
@@aenodarr Research the October 10th and Oct 26th attacks on Dnipro. They hit a Patriot launcher there which means the battery was out of interceptors and three weeks later Oreshnik. YT won't let me say more than that on the topic without deleting my comment unfortunately.
@@thunderxgod01 That's a bold assumption you made there. I remember one particular video showing Kiev Patriot battery being hit by Kinzhal or Iskander seconds after it launched all of its rockets into the abyss.
Not milking it.
This is an incredibly significant moment. It needs to be thoroughly analysed.
Expect to revise whatever analysis is made... we have less information on this system than we do other items of military equipment.
Which means any analysis will change as more information becomes available
That needed saying and bears repeating.
Regarding the pointlessness of equipping these warheads with nuclear charges, I think you may be mistaken. Back in Soviet times, for the ACS 2C3, on which I served, there were 152 mm shells weighing 48 kilograms with a nuclear charge of 1.5 - 3 kilotons in TNT equivalent. If you imagine a swarm of warheads with similar charges, sinking to a certain depth, then synchronizing with each other and exploding simultaneously, you can get a guaranteed defeat of the object without using false targets.
Kinetic weapons make the need for explosives redundant. They also leave the highly polluting nuclear option a poor second choice. Creating an unusable wasteland is futile an endeavour.
For me keep these videos coming. Thank you.
Nah, I’m good.
Something new please.
Has someone already mentioned how the line patterns of the impacts almost perfectly align with the plant's buildings? The accuracy and precision of that thing might actually be quite impressive.
I think M7* mentioned in the previous video that one missile may even have followed the previous one into the same building.
@@seltsamerzeitgenosse9797 Is it? It looks like the MIRV malfunction as they partially disintegrated passing the atmosphere.
As long as you ignore the impacts ~600m away sure, super accurate...
Hollywood make movie Russia turn it into reality
@@andriianashovam7070 each missile had 6 sub-missiles, that is not a disintegration. What ever it hits at that speed it turns material into atoms.
Glad to see this channel getting the subs and traffic it deserves. Keep it up 💪
Don’t worry about the content. Your analysis is fascinating. 😎👍
Even before the war it was said (data more reliable from then), that they produce 6-8 Kinzhals per month. Even if they did not ramp up production they should have hundrets of them available.
but they did. Military production works around the clock now. Basically, that means 3-4 times more production.
Defense contractors are working 24x7 now, salaries up by 500%. There are some regions where welding a fence, fitting new windows or installing AC implies paying +200% and waiting for 3 weeks because all the qualified workers are working you know where.
Yup. And they are crushing the Russian economy in the process.
@@maximvfsource: it came to me in a fentanyl induced dream
More information and thoughts are always welcome. I like how unbiased and clearheaded you are.
Washing machines live longer with calgon...
I couldn't resist any longer 🤣🤣
😂😂😂
Oreshnik is everyone's favourite new toy, can't wait to see some more! :D
Maybe new years eve fireworks. As fireworks was never to chase away evil spirits.
Be careful with your wishes, they might came true in unexpected way.
In USA😂🎉
Somewhere where there are TV crews, to finally put the speculation of the amount of damage to bed once and forall.
@@Aqhat1his dreams ! they can't come true, as the west is scared to death now and don't have a solution 😉
Cz_Podle mých odhadů měla střela Orešnik výbušnou sílu 4.7 kilotuny TNT a Japonská Hirošima měla 20 kilotun TNT, rozbitá okna v okruhu tří kilometrů a popraskané zdi v okruhu jednoho kilometru je zemětřesení přes 5 stupňů.Což napovídá že můj odhad je správný a sekundární detonace vypařené hmoty musela udělat velkou díru ale to co na satelitních snímcích vidíme je buď snímek staršího data nebo fotomontáž.
You made a mistake in your calculations.Remember the law of conservation of energy. The power of a rocket cannot exceed the calorific energy of its fuel.
@@Hudozhnik66 in speed! but the added momentum to the eq??
@@Hudozhnik66 Cz_nepočítal jsem to byl to jen odhad z interpolace informací, které byly nedostatečné.
@@Hudozhnik66 K EULERU musíte přidat gravitaci, hmotnost s kvadrátem rychlosti a teplotu tření o atmosféru.
Thanks!
Thank you!
I ran the calculations for mach 11, and 36 100 kg warheads of tungsten would deliver 700 more kgs of tnt worth of energy that the same volume of tnt, if we include the velocity of the tnt as energy.
Except that energy would be sent deep into the ground rather than outwards. Good for bunkers and single hardened targets, but worthless for widespread damage.
You need to allow some weight for the guidance and bus systems though, don't think you'll get an actual payload of 36 off 100kgs warheads. I calculated that 100 kgs ot tungsten moving at Mach 10 would have the same energy as 138 kgs of TNT, but the energy would act in a very different way, the tungsten warhead will penetrate what it hits and keep moving until all energy is expended, conventional explosives will produce a circular shock wave and fragment dispersal if using proximity fusing.
@@killsode4760 also ships, suppose that could be single harden targets, the cost of the missle limits it to ships, bunkers and air defence systems anyway.
@@shugieshugied2269 How deep would that be?
Do the Russians know of some important military/governmental underground facilities in Europe we have no knowledge of?
Could certainly look like that, right?
Oreshinik attack was the first use of MIRV in a conflict that I know of.
And it shows that Russia has pretty much figured it out to perfection.
@@WanderfalkeAT Yeah, it's not like it's 1970s technology, or anything...Oh wait.
@@adrien5834 SO what you are saying is that hypersonic (in the Athmosphere) missiles are here since the 70's? Oh wait... you slept through physics again?
@@WanderfalkeAT This doesn't mean anything. All ICBMs travel much faster than this missile and have existed since the 1950s. MIRVs have existed since the 1970s. These are ancient technologies.
precision MIRV attack 😂😂
Please feel free to continue talking about such subjects. This is why I have watched your channel for many years. I get the latest,"UNBIASED" and best information in the one place. Please keep up the great work you do.
Ukros claiming they shot down some hypersonic missiles is the funniest sht ever. They obviously never did and never will.
.... said by the retard who cannot even write a gramatically correct sentence. Noted ! Your total lack of respect is reflective of your intellectual level and therefore taken with a the disdain it deserves.
How’s the three-day operation going?
@@ANelsonViolinкто тебе обещал 3 дня??? Ссылки в студию!!!
@@ANelsonViolinHows the 48 hours counter insurgency operation going?
@@ANelsonViolinon schedule. I have no idea how USA led NATO thought they'd be in Moscow in three days. This is it...
_Exactly._ Wide area destruction using conventional warheads, similar to a nuke without going nuclear.
It's not similar destruction to a nuke
But it is not a wide-area destruction weapon. It is actually a pinpoint weapon
I'm going to wait on that until we obtain determinative evidence of what the Oreshnik actually does.
More like an equivalent of Rods from God orbital kinetic strikes.
It looked surgical not wide scale.
💡 *_Why can't Oreshnik concept be combined with Falcon-9 reusability concept? Critics of Oreshnik say it's not cost-effective. But Falcon-9 reusability is supposed to help make things cost-effective. So why not combine both ideas together? Have reusable booster launch the warhead payload, and then after booster separates it can land back on ground (or on barge, or on TEL vehicle) Booster can thus be recovered and prepped for re-use. This can help lower the costs of WW3. (We won't worry about how to make WW4 cheaper, since that will be fought with sticks and stones anyway.)_*
okay...
Спасибо за идею, передадим разработчикам.
Get Elon on it. lol.
My god sir, its the third video, this week, on the same topic
i guess theres always a new information everyday and really explain how much we don't know about this weapon
The problem with a conventional decapitation strike is that it is completely indistinguishable from a nuclear strike and would automatically warrant a full nuclear counterstrike on detection. And detection would inevitably be seen during boost phase of the launch vehicles.
So you’re still at the same place you started when you had the nuclear decap option.
On ICBM's flying from one continent to the other - You would be right! But this is more like a Kinshal or SCUD! NATO can very well see that the Missile is not Intercontinental! And decapitation here is used to decapitate NATO forces in and around Ukraine. Destroying Railway Hub's, Airbases, Warehouses, Bunkers, Air Defenses, Energy Production and Delivery inside and close to Ukraine. It is more like NATO is a Soldier entering a Room and the lights go out.
I am very happy for your oreshnik videos. This is the sort of thinking exclusively from you and shows your value.
How would NATO know that 200 incoming missies weren’t nuclear?
They'd have to assume they are.
They can't know ... And I guess this demonstration was meant to illustrate just how fast everything is actually approaching critical. A point meant for the western brass to consider seriously.
I mean, generals have children too, right?
@@ZappyOh You think those psycopaths can think straight anymore?
How russia knows that storm Shadow or atacms are Not nuclear ?? ... No one asks this question ... But this is the vital question ....
@@adrien5834 30 mins before launch Russia notified Nato about the launch.
we all know right that this Oreshnik going to get more upgrade and continue to improve it. It nature of arms race. Remember how FAB-series suddenly get huge roll out as the army saw how it effective work.
Honestly this is one of the very few topics that should be "milked" as there's so much to uncover as we're treading new waters in the realm of warfare. Keep up the good work!
Russian oreshnik hypersonic missile is a game-changer. Dnipro attack proves this fact.
3:17 - I do not agree with this one assessment:
1) based on the warhead weight limitations, I am not sure if a decapitation strike as described is actually possible, if it were to be made with a conventional warhead
2) based on the Cuba Crisis scenario we know that the Sowjet (now Russian) nuclear doctrine was always "responsive / second strike" while it was the NATO doctrine that was always "aggressive / first strike" and the US was always afraid of Russia changing this doctrine, which was what actually triggered the crisis.
3) Even the current changes are not indicative of a real "first-strike" scenario from the side of Russia (always ignoring the comments and grandstanding calls from overzealous NPCs on both sides). We should remember that, when the US flew its planes over the discovered launch sites over Cuba and the military brass was salivating for a "preemptive strike" on this site, the Russian commanders did NOT launch the nukes, as the Generals totally forgot the possibility that the first site they had discovered was not the first site ready to launch. So the standing orders have been reactive and this has not (yet) changed. Therefore, the fact that Russia has developed the capability of a decapitation strike should not be intermixed with the implication that such a strike would be an indication of a doctrine change towards a first-strike scenario. The warhead capabilities of such a "limited range" rocket rather point to a continuation of the second strike doctrine, but with sharper teeth. If Russia and its to-be-defended territories of the nuclear umbrella (e.g. Belarus) are attacked, either by massive assault or by "slowly cooking the frog", then the answer will be in accordance with the capabilities laid out: nuclear, not conventional.
(oops, you actually explained that part about reactive nuclear doctrine just a few sentences later, my bad. I am still very sceptical about the non-nuclear warhead on the Oreshnik to take out mostly hardened military structures.)
There is no war head. It's a kinetic energy weapon hitting you at Mach 11. The energy is the result of the mass of the penetrator and the speed. Like long dart penetrator used on the ground.
You say its the NPCs in comment sections celebrating the idea of nuclear anihilation, but its russias propaganda TV itself aswell as Putin himself that keeps threatening it,
It makes no sense.
Russia is just evil.
I was hesitant to sub as your channel was general info about planes etc , now it is about geopolitics i have subbed. This is the reason a huge percentage were watching without subbing when you covered hazel - they were checking out your previous videos and were not interested.
Imagine what happens to a aircraft carrier when it gets hits by Tungsten penetrators moving in at 3,000m/s. Especially if the reactor gets hit.
Температура стержней, падающих с неба на скорости 10 махов превышает несколько тысяч градусов по Цельсию. Энергия, выделяемая такой "болванкой" сравнима с авиационной бомбой.
@ , ?? You wouldn't mind re-posting this in English?
It would be extremely hard and most likely impossible to hit a carrier, remember this is meant for stationary targets not moving targets... You use completely different weapons to take out carriers.
@@marcbjorg4823 In short, when diving, the projectile accelerates to mach 10 and the collision will be comparable to the explosion of a large aircraft bomb.
But the aircraft carrier will not wait patiently in one place waiting for oshreshnik to hit its reactor.
I heard the other day (might have been on the new atlas channel) that those Oreshnik warheads because of the speeds they travel at, hit the target at around 4000 degrees celsius.
Yep, about 8,000 mph & 8,000 degrees
@@jeremyr7147 Hi. Where did you get those figures from? In another comment I was making the point that everybody just assumes the warheads hit the ground at mach 11. My point, also based on the available videos, is that it hits at most at mach 4.4 or ~3400 mph.
@washussan convert the public & Russian figures of mach & temprature. it comes to like 7650 mph & 7680° farenheit. The warheads hit at faster than mach 4 imo. Fastest I've ever seen. Like a lightning bolt.
@washussan typical cloud ceiling in temperate region is 5- 12,000 meters, mach 10 is 3500 m/s. I assume the ukrianians estimated the speed based on knowing the meteorological data on cloud base height and the time from cloud to ground. Also the cheap camera can only record so many frames/ second so we see a streak.
@@jeremyr7147 Well, the ceiling can vary wildly! I'd really like to get my hands on a METAR for the region at the time of the strike. I found one, but it is behind a paywall. I really doubt the ceiling could be anywhere that high at the time, judging by the video, especially the ground light reflection. Your point about the FPS of the camera is taken. But if the playback speed is close to normal speed, the time estimate shouldn't be too far. Granted that we may not have a frame rate high enough to precisely pinpoint the times. But this is much less critical than the playback speed. It's a ballpark estimate.... like spherical cows in a vacuum :-)
regarding the solid kinetic warheads, I have two thoughts:
1) they're most likely almost indestructible because they're solid metal with no explosive core and little to no cavity inside, so exploding ratherthan direct-hitting interceptors would barely even be able to cause them to tumble
2) if they are fired at airfield runways, they will bury themselves so deep in the grouns thatthey are extremely cumbersome to remove, and filling in and pavi g overthe holes would be a very uninviting prospect due to the possibility that the warhwads actually turn out to contain explosive charges on multi-day delays. so in practice, these could make an airfield take exceptionally long to repair or dangerous to use. I suppose one could load every buried warhead with a shaped demotilion charge and bl°w them up to ensure that any explosives inside are taken care of, but then you would be left with pretty massive deep holes to fill, which still would take a while.
Yes, you are milking but we don't mind because you my friend are producing top content!
Next video: "I lied! It is still about Oreshnik! Have you noticed that..."
😂 Good video. Like!
You're not milking it. I wish more media sources did this kind of reporting/ follow-up.
Since NATO countries would not know for sure if a large scale attack with oreshnik missiles is conventional or nuclear, it would just most likely react as if it was under nuclear attack and hence Armageddon. Not sure Russians would risk this
What if it is all about the Baltic countries? Would West risk? Or just say "okay, it is acceptable".
@@olexp9017 Hmmmm...Baltics vs. Humanity. Um, yeah: F em. Harsh, but this points to the utter stupidity of MAKING them NATO in the first place and forcing such a choice. They freaking BORDER Russia! Would WE have "let" Mexico (or even little Belize) into the Warsaw Pact. Putin is not one of my favorite people, but I have no problem with him/Russia being adamant about no NATO-fied Ukraine.
@@olexp9017 The baltic states are full of fear and demons
@@olexp9017 what do you think would come after the baltics?
Походу вы не поняли, если будет произведён удар по НАТО, он будет произведён с максимальной производительностью для нашей страны, война - это война.
А СВО - это сво
Complimenti per i contenuti che porti! Un saluto dall'Italia e speriamo che ci sia una svolta PACIFICA a tutta questa storia bruttissima...i Russi sono nostri fratelli come tutti i popoli!
From Vermont, I concur, beautiful
Have a nice sunday, let's keep our heads cool and greetings from Germany. :p
“Keep heads cool” says ze German 😜 believe me, nobody wants a fight with you!
Thank you for your continued updates on this issue. However, there was no mention of the current Russian nuclear doctrine in the sense that the need to compare the revised nuclear doctrine is not necessary since Oreshnik is not a strategic weapon but possesses strategic capabilities. By current standings, Russia has not planned for first strikes as it goes without saying that the message is: “USA & Western Forces, our conventional forces are more than you can handle, so we will even warn you giving you ample time, as we can overwhelm your defences and then you will be powerless. So STOP NOW. Don’t go there” From Russia with love!
Всё верно.
❤Russia❤
Agree. Russia's pre-warning on their recent use of the Hazel missile and their promise to continue warning to give time for evacuation is the key to this missile's lethality and to there being no defense against it. Their purpose is not mass slaughter; their purpose is to prevent aggression - and they now have the non-nuclear weapon for that purpose.
@@maryhuckaby2239 The attacking nation invading a country wants to prevent agression.
You people here are genuinly insane.
@@maryhuckaby2239 They send hundreds of drones with the same power to slaughter people basically evry night. In my neighberhodd in few hundreds meter from me they blowed the whole house with people with kyndzal rocket. Nothing kills my faith in humankind like random person from internet who dumb enough to think thay something understand about the war. You people are really crazy.
Sei una persona onesta e competente
I am no expert but I don't think any number of Patriot missiles can reach the altitude that the hypersonic module is released from. After the hypersonic module is released there is zero chance of intercepting something traveling at Mach 10 or 11. The scary part is that I am sure NATO would reply with nuclear weapons even if Russia only used conventional warheads in a successful decapitation strike. Russia would need to strike NATO assets in Eastern Europe countries that the US doesn't feel are worth a nuclear holocaust to defend.
It seems to me that NATO is more intent on provoking rather than defending nuclear holocaust
A nuclair strike is no option. It is not aloud by the overseers.
@@Triggernlfrl No one cares I believe. Was the war against Yugoslavia any good for the overseers?
And that's why Russia is the one playing a very dangerous and stupid game (and has been since quite some time with Kinzhals and such) : don't use nuclear capable missiles with conventional warheads.
@@takix2007naaaahhhhh. NATO is the instigator of stupidity
Having options is Having power, and oreshnik is basically 36 additional options per missile.
Bro, I hope your channel grows to reach as many people ad Scott Ritter. You are just as informative. Thank you for your hard work.
Scott Ritter is a z propagandist
Note that all the paid front men look like characters from 80s action movies
@@Александртень-ф4т ignorant much
@@Александртень-ф4т Name calling or labeling people is really no argument.
@hongry-life ok then why didn't the missile cause any damage? where is the t-14? s-57? why did wagner go to moscow? the ruble exchange rate is falling, and the second army in the world has been using prisoners as soldiers for 3 years? in the russian federation there is a law literally allowing you to avoid criminal punishment simply by signing a contract, that is, if a person abused your wife, raped your mother, raped your father in the mouth - he can go to the front and avoid punishment. cool?
I, for one, am here for the Oreshnik milkshake
I wonder if there's any satellite image of the factory post strike?!
Total black out
@@Millennium7HistoryTech The Russians don't have satellites?
@@Millennium7HistoryTechthere is though…
Objective and engaging presentation. The imp in me smiled at your visual for "Milking the Oreshnik Story" ... Top Tier to convince your audience to 'come hither.' LOL
Russia is currently outmanufacturing NATO (including the US) at a rate of 3 to 1. Once China gets involved which it must as they know they are next up in the crosshairs should Russia fall then this manufacturing disparity increases massively.
Russia isn't going to fall, nobody is looking to counter-invade with any long-term goal in mind. China's also a grey area, we're not yet sure if they'll go in to help Russia or allow it to crumble a bit that they get to reclaim the resource rich parts of Siberia.
@@smithynoir9980or making a deal with the Americans over taiwan
@@user-qh7rj9wj4pMake a deal with the americans over taiwan? They might make a deal but wont honour any with their foes.
China likely wants a diplomatic solution even more than the USA does
Outmanufacturing what? Shells?
The thing is, I did notice it and long before that attack happened. The defensive capabilities are weak to stop a saturation attack using hypersonic and mixed load.
So?
Do you think Nato couldnt also start a nuclear war if it wanted?
this isnt impressive or novel, this has been the state we were in for many decades now.
Thank you for your videos, its a pleasure to watch. Much love to you
the west didn't want Tchaikovsky's masterpiece, the Nutcracker ballet, so it got The Nutflower. Everyone according to their preferences and possibilities😁😁😁
Do you think that by "all 32 launchers" they mean "32 launch canisters"? Because a PAC-2 launcher truck has 4 canisters and a PAC-3 one has 16. So for a PAC-2, 32 launch canisters implies 8 launch trucks. Although i've seen pictures from the German military of trucks carrying only 2 PAC-2 canisters or even just a single one.
i wouldn't believe a single word coming out of ukraine about shooting down hypersonics. they lied so much about it and never presented any proof beyond obvious fakes.
Germany has 72 launchers total. So they probably mean 32 launchers each firing one or two missile in a large volley since the time to react agains a hypersonic missile is too short for all 16 to be fired in rapid succession. Considering each missile costs 1 to 6 milion the implications are disturbing.
I think he just means that a couple hypersonics can deplete an entire Patriot battery, give or take. Which has indeed been observed happening in Ukraine.
@@SlayerBG93 what do YOU mean by launchers? Trucks carrying launch canisters ready to launch or individual launch canisters each containing a single missile? Because a single canister can't shoot more than a single missile per volley as it would need at least a few minutes to reload (the reloading truck needs to approach and transfer the missile to the launcher truck).
And are all of Germany's launchers PAC-3 ones or do they still have some PAC-2?
@@IblameBlame According to wikipedia Germany has 72 launch trucks. Althou I am not sure if they are all mobile and mounted on trucks. So the article is indeed talking about the launchers and not individual launch canisters.
No need to apologize for this content. It certainly warrants the focus being provided.
May common sense win out and PEACE be negotiated 🙏🙏👏🏻👏🏻
unfortunately this is dependent on the sanity of the US government, who keeps trying to bully the rest of the world
I agree with you but, you cannot make an omelet without braking eggs………
you cant negotiate with someone who never upholds any agreements ...
USA got no common sense bro. What they think is good, the whole world know its bad. What they think is bad, the world know its good. Their "football" played with their hands, that tells everything.
@@Asghaad Also with someone who is on the other side of the pond and who wants to own your backyard.
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ The insight given in this podcast is without bias, and probably more informative than others on You-Tube, providing the viewer with the facts and diagrams we are all searching for.
Thank you.
Fully agree! Gus does a fantastic job! Even I (and I am about as technically minded as my dog is!😂) can learn with some ease thanks to Gus' style and language...😊
The green t shirt man can't hide in a bunker
Bonjour , merci . Vos vidéos sur l'aviation et la technologie sont géniales . Et aussi ce sujet du oreshnik , m'intéresse et vous êtes pertinent la dessus . Monsieur Alexander Mercouris ne s'y est pas trompé .
Bonne journée .
No one sane starts a nuclear war?
The capability to decapitate a threat without nuclear weapons is an obvious game changer.
It isn't such a good idea to surround a country with military bases, thinking about a first strike, is it?
Dismantling the treaties limiting some strategic weapons might have been premature. Maybe trying to recover them would be a really good idea.
This thing would be thought of as a nuclear weapon if the US wasn’t informed directly before usage.
It’s not a decap strike if you tell your enemies about it first
NATO/Ukraine violating Minsk they didn't care about, but they didn't realize it was there to protect them from themselves xD
Love to see an accuracy and damaage assessment.
They are still in the “test” phase of Oreshnik. Their own admission, not speculation by the West/NATO.
(Trust that as you will….)
The Oreshnik is a mod of the RS26 missile system, iirc. A Very recent addition to the arsenal. To call it “produceable at scale” would be a stretch at this time.
Also…
It was designed to carry nuclear warheads. Not conventional. Therefore it took them a while to replace the nuclear element with the simple kinetic penatrators that we saw being used.
On that point…
(Going back to the test phase statement…)
One might ask, “why not conventional explosives in the strike, instead of simple kinetic units?”
Simple answer.
If you’re in the test phase of a missile program and you are at “test launch” status, you aren’t going to have explosive re-entry units on board said missile. You’ll have simple kinetic penatrators that won’t contribute to an explosion should the test launch go badly.
(As we witnessed a month or so ago with the failed test launch of the Satan II ICBM. You know? The one that destroyed the entire launch complex and left a 2-300m crater in its place? Yeah, that one.)
Sure, they could do it again. No question. However, it’s going to be a while and the costs related to use such as this are Astronomical! ICBM’s, MRBM’s and IRBM’s are several orders of magnitude more expensive to design and build than any other missile system in Any nations aresenal.
This strike was a statement.
One that Putin hoped would scare the West/NATO in to recinding permissions for ATACMS/Storm Shadow/Scalp use on Russian territory.
The statement failed.
Thanks for the vid.
You really need to cope harder. Serial production has started. 8 a month. There are several already in launchers.
@@Marine0317 lol
This first statement failed. 3.5 to 4 years from now, they will not. Mr. Putin/ Russia WILL launch nuclear missles. It will happen.
In this case why doesn’t NATO wear its balls to come and fight on the battlefield? We talk about an alliance of more than 30 countries with 3 nuclear powers in the group
@@valeriegillet473 Because its would means NATO countries would be forced to start full scale mobilization and i bet - no matter how people supporting war, they dont want to participate themselfs, regardless what happening in ukraine.
In case of a decapitation strike, they might as well use nukes as Oreshnik will be treated as if it is a nuke delivery system...
I mean what, are the Russians going to approach NATO and say 'Hey guys, we're gonna try to annihilate all the governments of all the major players in Europe tomorrow, but we're not gonna use nukes, so please don't nuke us'?
Or are they going to launch a surprise attack that looks exactly like a preemptive nuclear strike and everyone will treat it as such whether it is or not, because there's no time to wait and find out.
Love this channel, just subscribed after looking for Oreshenk video
So does this imply that NATO should adapt dispersed operations for air-forces in particular? Another question, If the warheads are kinetic, are they really possible to neutralize? They will still have the same speed and mass, after being hit.
If hit with enough energy it can be diverted from target, that's it.
That's my feeling, it would scythe through any explosion, surely.. if it's tough enough to heat up to 4000c and hold together at mach 11 you'd have to absolutely bullseye it to even knock it off course..
I suspect NATO has long operated dispersed operations, that would be sound doctrine for nuclear attacks, don't leave your assets where they can get hit, that's been known about since at least WW2. You may not be able to neutralize a kinetic warhead, but you can aim to knock it off target, and if you hit it with enough mass, even moving relatively slowly in the opposite direction, the energy release will be substantial, some material will end up vapourised.
Interesting given the recently reported multiple drone infringements at the US air bases in eastern England. Either actual target reconnaissance or just making a point.
Amateur drone flyers are always pushing the envelope looking for pics to sell to the news or the tv. Raised tensions accelerate this and make the bases more twitchy about it. The UK government “discovers” this when it wants news stories to beef up flagging popular support for military spending.
Това е абсурдна лъжа! Дронове над военни бази 😅 дори и гражданските летища имат анти дрон системи и са защитени, какво мислите защитава военни бази, кучета и плашила ли ?
@@emilivanov709 😂
I don't know if you've mentioned this or not, but my main concern is that now ballistic missle strikes become a shell game of sorts where it is also impossible to determine whether or not an incoming ballistic missile is a nuclear one or a conventional one, and thus leaving the question to be answered only when it might already be too late.
And then there's the question rising immediately on detection of a launch, on if you have to launch nuclear missiles yourself or not.
The employment of ballistic missiles in conventional warfare during the nuclear weapons era, is an audacious and an astoundingly dangerous gamble, like a box of chocolates, you never know what you might get, destroyed infrastructure or nuclear annihilation.
With these kind of stakes on the table, someone, somewhere is way more likely to jump the gun and basically doom us all.
Just googled:
-cost to produce Kinzhal missile is estimated to be around 10mil$
- cost to produce 1 Patriot missile costs between 1-6mil$
By acknowledging that to shoot down one Kinzhal NATO needs 32 AA missiles that means it looses between 3,2-19,2 TIMES more finance/resources on every ssuccessful shot down than Russia.
-You can read different assumptions of how much the cost of one Oreshnik production and launch would cost. The highest numbers I found were at the 80mil$ mark. Given that one missile delivers 36 smaller ones that makes it 2,2mil$ per one "small" charge, which is capable of delivering an explosion capable of a FAB-1500 if loaded with HE or a "bigger badaboom" than Nagasaki if loaded with a nuke. For just 2,2xmore the cost of the CHEAPEST NATO AA missile...
-And now you have 36 of those to deal with...
Only in ONE missile...
2 Questions:
->Shouldn't AA systems actually punish the attacker, rendering his capabilities, making him suffer on every level, especially economic damage?
-> What if Russia decides to launch 10 of those?
Вот и задумайтесь над этим! Зачем нато вписалось за укронацистов? Зачем нато поддерживает бандеровцев? Зачем нато расширяется на восток?
Cost to produce is different than cost to acquire from the producer
now google the GDP of the EU vs Russia and US vs Russia
@@gaborszabo9683 AutoCAD drawer in US -wages ~ $60K per year - in Russia $6K...Compare the prices of housing - 20 times more in US))
GDP in the west must be divided minimum by 10.........
@gaborszabo9683 Google military expenditure of combined EU+USA+Canada with russia
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With high regards from 🇨🇦
Could this thing take out US aircraft carriers, entire carrier battle groups?
Yes.
Without a doubt.
🤦🏻♂️
Without updated target information, hitting small moving targets is very difficult, the Chinese carrier killer DF21 seems to have final guidance but a single large warhead. Something like a US carrier is probably too small a target moving too fast to be easy for this missile to hit.
a single zirkon or kinzhal would take out a carrier
❤❤ very good job on this project..
This is why Sweden is so keen on their JAS 39 Gripens service doctrine.
Sweden.!
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Are you referring to the Swedes' focus on accommodating for the need for austere operating conditions wrt their air force?
@@koskok2965 - Yes and being able to remotely service and re-arm airplanes from the highway at various locations. A distributed air force is much harder to knock out when it is distributed across a wide area.
@@koskok2965 I mean "Bas 90". Google it
Great analysis - drilling deeper and deeper and finally it becomes clear: Shock & Awe for the NATO („Partners …..“)
Your views are skyrocketing lately! Congratulations gus
The Oreshnik chave the same effect on 49 square meter like the fireball of a nuclear bomb ( Fat Man)
See calculation :
Fat Man has a fierball raddi of 100 m , energy of the weapon is 18 000 000 kg of tnt multiplied by 4 Mj/kg, , equal of 72 000 000 Mj of energy on the surface of fireball.
fireball surface is 502 640 square meter .
72 000 000 / 502640 is 143.2 Mj/sqm
Energy of a projectile if the summ of mass on impact is 1000 kg, speed is 3743 m/sec ,means the energy of the warhead is 7005 Mj.
Means if a mechanism could spread the mass of the warhead effectivly then energy on the surface of the cross section of the dispersion cone will be eqivalent of the surface energy of th Fat Man nuclear explosion fireball on the 48.9 square meter cross section.
Means if the impact speed 3743 m/sec, mass 1000 kg, and the dispersion mechanism is very good then it could make the same effect on 48.9 square meter like a nuclear bomb.
Magnitude looks ok for first reading.
Opinions?
so 4 meter radius of destruction if projectile shatters on the impact, if it goes into the ground than there will be hole in the ground ----- as i said under last video, 30 meter from this impact will be very loud but not lethal
Do the Russians know of some important military/governmental/big-tech underground facilities in Europe the rest of us have no knowledge of?
Could certainly look that way, right?
@@iagokhvipsen8487 You do not take into account the fact that when a body flying at such a speed meets a body 10,000 times denser than air, then the body at this speed passes from one to another aggregate state, a good example is a cumulative jet, that is, once a metal, turns into essentially burning hundreds of millimeters of a red-hot drop. therefore, depending on the material used, the warhead can be soft, in order to turn into a kinetic cloud upon contact with the surface.
@@REDHUNTER22rus Or it can be dispersed by a charge.
Say it is a 1:40 W:L heavy head, thin wall tungsten rod, filled up with tungstend dust, and a thin HE charge in the middle.
50 meters above the ground it trigered, and disparsing the dust in the rod sideways by 3 km/sec.
Means the full energy of the rod will dispersed over a 100 meter diameter circle.
Like creating a 100 kg heavy thin blanket of tnt, appart from that it is twice as much efficient - it will give all energy to the target, and the TNT blanket will discharge half of its energy to the atmosphere .