Your animating skills are on point, Domo! Had us fooled and everything! How’d you get the cast to go along with the joke of actually making a tense scene?
Jaune being sane for twenty fucking years after assisting a friend's suicide, betrayed and left to die by Alyx, and then gets saved by a bunch of suicidal paper people is some Grade A suffering.
@iraqifoodcart8447 almost? He wanted to stay with Pyrah and be the best he could be for her. She died and he used that powerlessness and turned into strength by leaning his semblance. The act of her death is Gwen Stacy/Uncle Ben Energy. All he needs is the obligatory Emo/Venom phase which this could be.
Honestly, props to Ruby. Every time something gets fucked people keep going 'GOOD VIBES ONLY' so that "Shut. Up. Don't... do that." was a longggg time coming.
The only thing that Ruby did wrong was not address her feelings sooner before it led to her exploding like she did here. Before people can fix things, they have to know there's a problem.
I mean Ruby does have a point in that they can't keep going "GOOD VIBES ONLY". Jaune's gone a little crazy from isolation and festering in guilt. Ruby just crumbled under all the pressure of the shit they've been through. There is no brushing it under the carpet. They have to acknowledge how fucked the situation has become.
Can sympathize with that, honestly. The absolute worst thing I can hear when something bad happens, or I'm feeling awful for whatever reason, is how much better it might eventually be, could've been, or is somewhere else. Then just below that on the infuriating scale is the opposite, people who feel the need to say how much worse it could be, or how you shouldn't be feeling bad because someone else has it worse elsewhere. It's like most people have this gut reaction to immediately divert from something bad, in either direction. Just ignore it, don't think about it, don't try to solve it, dismiss it and move on as quickly as possible. It drives me insane, because they somehow think it helps.
When Ruby approached Yang and Blake you can tell she was mainly yelling at Yang. You can tell she felt abandoned, and the way Yang stepped in front of Blake as if to protect her from Ruby probably didn’t help.
I think there's a few things going on. One, anger at others (Blake and Yang being an example) that they're able to snatch a moment of happiness when things in Remnant are so dire (Ruby was having Salem hallucinations this ep, I believe?) and the fact she can't find that moment of happiness for herself; two, the fact she feels unneeded and unnecessary, likely a combination of seeing others like Blake take the lead this volume/it even says in her song something about not being needed anymore (so I feel her 'shut up' being levelled at Blake when she was about to give the Ruby Team Leader Speech was very appropriately chosen); and I think she has a lot of anger levelled towards Jaune as well. They finally found him and he's not well, as Weiss said. Ruby sees this whole world as being a highly unnecessary waste of time, in all likelihood, whereas Jaune has been there long enough that this form of coping (he even named all the villagers after his friends) was necessary for him, but Ruby didn't respect that at all. I'm not saying Ruby was right in all her lashings out here, there will likely be repercussions for it, but it was all highly understandable and made a lot of sense, motivated by emotions we can all understand. Why can others be happy, but not me? Why is he being so unreasonable/failing to see the bigger picture? Why do I feel like I'm being replaced? And yeah, that last one may be a bit of a threat with Blake being so close to Yang and Yang now having other high priorities to balance, but I feel her feelings towards Blake this season are also a response to her being so capable lately (which, credit to Blake, someone had to step up and do it and clearly Ruby and Jaune had various reasons for this not being possible for them).
Exactly. I'd SLAP Yang (I believe in TRUE gender equality so I don't mind hitting if it's justified)....then be like "Too busy chasing kitty pussy that you forgot your own fucking baby SISTER! Blake should've chosen Sun (thanks a lot dumbass fan demand destroying Season 4 chemistry)"
Now he needs to take that same passion and energy he had in voicing those lines, and put it into his writing for the show as well. Quality skyrocketing, I can see it now. God, I hope this Vol. doesn't flop. I've liked what I've seen so far, but at the same time I'm still stuck worrying the quality is gonna sink like volume 6 did in it's last stretch of episodes.
Ruby and Jaune both needed this. They're both dealing with a lot of pressure, guilt, and regret over their recent actions and their following consequences, and they really needed to air them out. What they've been through can't be resolved with simple coddling and acting like everything's fine. They need to seriously reflect on what's happened if they'll truly be able to move on.
Truth, Faith, Humility, Failure, Self-Reflection, Inspiration, Moving Forward, Acceptance, Trust and Determination. All of those are important factors needed for them to become the heroes they always wanted to be. A true hero wouldn't give a rat's ass about hopelessness. If there's no hope then inspire hope. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Some things in life are worth the pain fighting for. And a good leader knows when to back off and when to take charge.
True on that they just need some of that energy in order to keep moving forward just to win the day but...I don't see that happening anymore so maybe Hope is lost for good for these two? Is Remnant finally finished is this the end of the world?....😞
The worse part is that neither was supposed to be in Beacon. Ruby joined due to Ozpin letting her in early Ruby is still the youngest of everyone and should have enjoyed the life she should have and not worried about the thing that everyone else in Beacon had to deal with. Jaune snuck into Beacon with a fake transcript with barely any training. They both became leaders too early and saw more death than they should have if they only had more time training, but someone decided it was a good idea and the person was Ozpin. Even in supposed 'death' he manages to cause more harm than good.
@@epicmarioscatman Thing is both of them wanted to become Hunters like their respective families and heroes before them. But they never asked to be leaders of Huntsman Teams. They never asked to be involved in a centuries-long secret war between two immortals for the fate of humanity and the entire world. They never asked to bare the burdens and responsibilities that came with it. They just wanted to become heroes to help people and battle monsters. Not to be drafted as child warriors for a nearly-lost battle for survival, let alone not being able to graduate first. Why Ozpin choose one so young and one who had no experience and cheated is anyone's guess. Special powers or not. It's isn't that weren't supposed to be Huntsmen or leaders, it's just that they weren't ready. Take what happened to Hazel's sister for example.
There's a point where it tips There's a point where it breaks There's a point where it bends And a point we just can't take Anymore There's a line that we'll cross And there's no return There's a time and a place No bridges left to burn Anymore
Everyone in this scene forgets that Ruby is the youngest yet she bears the most burden with every action taken. Even though the age gap isn’t big, you gotta respect how much Ruby has to take dealing with everything up to this point. Good on her for finally letting it all out
Jeanne jaune yellow. Bears the same amount of burden. He may not be young but sneaked/ cheated his way into Beacon. He's from a family of heros yet he himself hasn't done anything heroic nor does he have the skills ir skillset. Ruby n Yellow mirror each other.
not to mention she basically only got involved in all this cause the guy calling the shots wanted her power that she didnt even know she had. It's the Harry Potter thing all over again: the guy calling the shots is playing the long game, but is keeping the Actual Rules to himself, and then it becomes too late, and the Secret Weapon has no idea they were supposed to BE the Secret Weapon (or a Weapon at all) and is making shit up as they go along, making bad calls left and right because they *were not made ready* and Real Shit has been happening to the people who were supposed to be their Advisors. Ruby wanted to be a "Normal" hero. standard huntress. nothing special. just off Grimm, help people out, take odd jobs, be like her Mother: kicking ass, and saving dames.
@@Xenmaru00 Also blame goes out to Tayiang Xiao Long, Raven and Crow Branwen for shittiest Parents ever. Raven just left everyone. Tay and Crow didn't even tell her about her special gift of insta killing Grimm with her eyes. They all are acountable for things going wrong with ruby. They just left her in this bubble that Summer was this perfect mom. And huntresses were heros. NO ONE gave her the reality check she needed before going of to beacon. She was too young and naive to be there in the first place!
@@ilovemetal1100 Taiyang and Qrow likely thought they had more time. Taking in how young Ruby is, they knew she had more years of training and schooling where they had plenty of time to ease her into the idea of what her hidden power could possibly be. And then Ozpin got involved, and suddenly they're scrambling because now Ruby is at *Beacon* when she wasnt supposed to be yet, but Ozpin is *too powerful* to actively go up against in any meaningful way, has the old sage method of placating you while making you sound like your concerns are silly, and *at this point trying to pull Ruby would mean either pissing off someone who can practically teleport and cover more distance in less time than it takes for you to take a piss, or needing to explain why its a bad idea for her to go in so early, to her.* neither thing being something either drunkard Qrow, or widower Tai would want to deal with. so while i *do* agree on your point of bringing up the blood-related adults (and your name being what it is, brings about the truest of irony in that), i can also see how Qrow and Tai initially thought they had far more time to ease Ruby into what her Mother *really* was capable of, and then just, *were too afraid* to say it *after*. Especially since the timeline for this is a very short period of time since joining Beacon and then suddenly everything going to shit around them. Raven though...she just a *bitch*. Gives Velvet Crowe (and dont she look JUST LIKE HER?!) fuckin Sweetest Girl Ever awards, and we ALL know what Velvet gets up to.
@@Xenmaru00 Fair Point. But having said that, the time between the fall of Beacon and her going with jean would have been the time to tell her about her powers no? Then again so much happened at that time... hhmm difficult indeed. All thats for certain is that Ozpin is a major dick in not confiding with team rwby his longplay and forcing Crow to keep rwby in the dark and not telling him everything either.
@@elpepo0 Ever heard of HBomberGuy? The video he made was kinda long, but it does encapsulate a lot of the problems old, new, and former fans have with the show as a whole. Including the "weird" way Roosterteeth addresses criticism for RWBY
And trying to prevent an entire village of living paper from killing themselves on a daily basis to overcompensate for Pyrrha and Penny's death in between.
I love how the theme of Ruby’s feelings being brushed over continues to happen right up till she goes off, like they’re just about to ask her what’s wrong then the dam breaks and everyone rushes to support him, and immediately expect Ruby to have the upbeat support, it’s just 👌👌👌
i have no context for anything leading up to this, and i'm not gonna lie, i totally thought that rock spire thing falling was actually going to be Ruby's inner thoughts screaming at everyone.
Including this, Ruby’s feelings have been brushed off at least 3 times throughout this volume. The first was in Episode 2 when she has Penny’s sword, the second was in Episode 4 when the cat mentioned Salem, the Relics, and Atlas being gone. And the third is now. Heck, each time Yang actually noticed and called out. But they were all distracted. The first by the rain, the second was due to Blake telling them not to worry and the cat going missing, and the third is shifting the concern over to Jaune.
@@Zack_Zander well the Blake thing was a distraction cuz Ruby was about to cry. Blake was trying to help calm ruby by offering her something else to think about.
Honestly Ruby was thrusted into leadership, Ozpin took a personal interest in her and enrolled her into his school 2 years early. Ozpin appointed her leader, and whenever Ruby would object or doubt herself she was often 'reassured' that she's in the right spot. Ruby just wanted to be a normal girl with normal knees, she didn't ask for THIS!
There's a LOT of things she didn't ask for. Like being involved in a centuries-long secret war between two immortals for the fate of humanity and the entire world for example. She wanted to be a hero like her mother before her but the problem was that she wasn't ready nor was she mature enough. She had a special gift and that got her drafted regardless of her age. Ozpin was just desperate to find something that will give him an edge to win the war at last.
I’m lowkey hoping when the gang gets back to Vale Ruby will get a chance to reconnect with the friends she had at Signal. She needs to be around people who don’t look to her for answers all the time
@@kidprime6863 oz met ruby and saw a summer and was so desperate to get a new team STRQ that he didnt consider if Ruby is ready, not to mention that they were faced with said secret war in their 2nd semeter or their 1st year, and was reeled in my oz in their essentially 3rd year. Team STRQ was likely told after their graduation, and was given better training. Team RWBYJNPR barely easmt ready, and ruby is even less
I absolutely love the sort of growl in Jaune's voice as he gets angry, followed by the shakiness as he acknowledges that he is not fine. Miles is an Amazing VA.
@@Bezaliel13Wow, so being in a relationship is more important than helping your sister who’s going through a lot of trauma? Way to prove what people say about Bumblebee shippers right, I guess🎉
Ruby's reaction was completely warranted, same as Jaune. They've both endured so much while Bumblebee is living a fairytale and Weiss is sort of just there..
They both inadvertently attacked the most sensitive parts of their respective broken psyches. Jaunes failure complex, and Ruby hero complex. Which I loves because Jaune at his best would’ve let Ruby lash out at him and he try to help her. Alla Ren in volume 8. But this isn’t Jaune at his best, this is him at his worst. As for Ruby she is pure empathy and kindness and would’ve been genuinely sad for all Jaunes been through had she not just broke herself
@@sECUREij the ones who lifted each other most were the ones to also break one another the most, its like when 2 people love another so much theyd go through impossible lengths to save the other only to end up becoming mortla enemies and i just accidentaly explained how Ozma and Salem are right now, that was not intended guys i swear
Ruby was the happiest one when the show started and once people see you as that they figure that you’re fine and can deal with everything life has to throw at you. The happiest people are usually the ones who are the most broken and Ruby finally reached her breaking point.
I know a lot of people think being angry is a bad thing, but letting it out once in a while like Juane and Ruby did can be a process to moving on, and the other RWBY members, I get they're trying to help the whole positivity thing but it doesn't always work when dealing with trauma
Letting it out is stress relieving, but sometimes the things one says can become the stress to others, ruby said some things that pretty much broke the other 3. Of course they'll get through it and ruby will find a way to be happy like she used to be. It's a long road ahead but ruby will do it, she'll come on top and when she will the world will probably be as good as saved
@@AdeptKing uhhhhh dude, jaune has been keeping it bottled up ever since Phyrra died, and he's been stuck in that places for well over a decade. I'm sure he had enough time to do that. Besides even ruby had plenty of shit happening to her so she also had enough reasons to burst. Not the time but the amount, I myself burst today at my dad for what he said to me, it wasn't much, and the stress I gobbled up was all done in one day, tired, sad, stressed cause of almost getting a ticket for bad parking position got enough stress in me, and my dad didn't help when he tolled me that I suck at during in a very hard tone. Yeah I definitely snapped at him and snapped hard. So you can imagine ruby had all the reasons to snap, I'm shocked she didn't go batshit crazy
@@nicolae-alexandruluca7853 Agreed, though Im kinda worried that the other three are going to give Ruby a lecture like Yang did with Ren and then somehow Ruby be in the wrong to be angry, I feel like all of them except Ruby and Jaune, haven't been facing the facts they've made mistakes and let out with their true feelings about the whole thing, which can definitely help with their group, for a group to be stronger, they have to fall apart to make a stronger team
What I'm most surprised about is how calm Weiss is being throughout Jaune and Ruby's mental breakdown. I'm hoping she becomes the voice of reason to help bridge their reunion as a team, alongside the efforts with Blake and Yang. This will show Weiss's maturity being the eldest of both RWBY & JNPR from the icy youth she once was to someone who longs for family (directly & indirectly).
It feels like Blake has been the voice of reason since this volume started. She’s been the one trying calm the group down. We even see her trying to do it this scene right before Ruby tells her to shut up
Indeed, Weiss had been jealous that Ruby was appointed leader and not her. But she grew out of it and accepted Ruby as a capable leader and friend. If it weren't for her new friends and teammates, she would've remained as the spoiled cold-hearted ice queen she once was.
I interpret it as Yang getting mad at her for getting mad at them like they're the bad guys. She has a right to be angry but taking it out on them doesn't help matters. Yang was standing ready in case Ruby's anger escalates.
I think as Ruby's older sister, she's just taking the brunt of her anger instead of Blake. I don't think she's protecting Blake but more so giving Ruby someone else to yell at instead.
Props to Lindsay and Miles for their voice acting here, since you can FEEL the pain Ruby is in and that everyone has ignored, as well as how Jaune is in just as much pain because of what he went through separated from the others, even if both NEEDED to get it out.
Ruby and Blake have somewhat swapped the positions they had at the start of the series. Ruby was once the optimistic one who gave reassuring speeches, whilst Blake was the one who was jaded, distrusting, and internalised her emotions. Blake once said that life was not like a fairy tale, only to find happiness within a world resembling one, whilst Ruby has only found misery and tragedy from her attempt to live up to the figures from stories.
yang has asked that a lot and got eighter "im fine" or Ruby running away from her....blake is not the only one that has been deflecting a lot for a long time -.-
I mean jaune used to like after the fall of beacon but uuuuh he isn’t exactly eager to do that when she just rolled her eyes and called the people he devoted years to “make believe friends”. He was like the one person who didn’t deserve her criticism
I don't blame Ruby bursting out like that. No one in her team noticed her depression and crisis of identity. No one kept her company in the cabin. Yang and Blake were too busy smiling in their own happy little world.
I do blame Ruby for taking that low blow against jaune, saying “mourning his make believe friends.” Like damn Ruby, that was going too far and is not excusable in the slightest.
@@yorgborg7899 It's excusable by Jaune literally caring more for his (and yes they are) Make-believe-friends instead of having ever (and I'm talking about Ruby still not being over Pyrrha as she stated in V5) cared about her inner World.
@@stoutheart.archer Oh. Okay. Well Ruby is such a child for crying over her dead make believe friend named Penny. I mean honestly, getting attached to a robot? This is how you sound.
@@stoutheart.archer also, keep in mind that those “make believe friends” were the only thing’s keeping him sane over the years. To literally roll her eyes at him is just cruel.
Jaune has gone through the wringer. Man is so torn up with loss and regret that he spent his time in the everafter atoning for his past by protecting the village. He needs to protect someone, something, it makes him not feel like a failure. Him talking that he couldn't even be a make believe hero in the last ep Man fakes his way into beacon, and even though he knew it was a lie, all he wanted to do was to be a hero. The first woman that ever believed in him was torn away from him in the fall of beacon, then he kills the most innocent person I could think of at her request just to keep the maiden power from falling in the wrong hands. "I'm not okay, but how can I" no truer words spoken.
He perfectly lives up to the Fabled Rusted Knight since his desire to prove himself comes at a cost of great responsibility. Perhaps enough tears will let him shed his armor and he will be true to himself.
At this point I just want the boy to rest. I'm going to bawl my fucking eyes out if they kill him off but that's looking like it's more likely by the episode.
@Scott Ren is definitely right. They weren’t ready to become hunters/huntresses and the fact they marched on virtue signaling and acting like they knew more than the experienced adults made it worse and honestly infuriating to watch
Both Ruby and Jaune losing it here was absolutely great for their character development. They've both slowly been changing as they've gone through hardship after hardship. But what really drives this home is that when Jaune snaps back at Ruby after she snapped at all of them is that she doesn't say anything back because she knows he's right.
Ehhh. Neo hates Ruby cause she needs someone to blame Roman's death on aside from...well Roman and him being a criminal in the first place, even though I'm pretty sure Cinder or a Grimm did him in iirc. The only thing they really have to blame Ruby for is their plan in Atlas, but i don't recall anyone offering up any better alternatives, and so much shit went wrong there that was outside of any of their control. That, and aside from Ruby being the main character, very little is actually about her in her own team. He's right so far as like....JNPR tagging along with them in their endeavors...of their own choice, cause it's not their thing to lead. Even then, everyone but Ruby has been processing and getting over shit from like Volume 1 & 2 for this entire series though so I don't exactly know how everything is about her. If anything everything is about them and she constantly picks them up because she's the young hopeful one. If she had a cooler head and knew what the audience knows, 90% of Jaune's snap goes out the window.
@@mylittleyuriclan4621 She doesn't? She obviously wasn't here, and stuffing her problems down doesn't exactly make her the mature one. She was just the person trying to keep any kind of hope going in her and Jaune's team when everyone was hitting rock bottom over and over again.
Honestly, Ruby putting Yang and Blake on blast for picking now of all times to get together while she and Jaune are at their lowest points was cathartic.
That world litteraly forced them to do that back then. Not that they didn't want that to happen but what choice did they get there? Ruby just needed someone to blame for all the loss she had felt and well...there was no other target for her. Jaune was going insane trying to delay the inevitable and slowly torture himself for what he had to do to Penny
@@TiltedPotatohead Steping in front of someone who is clearly having a mental break is...wrong in your world? Yang did nothing wrong and neigher did Blake (and no neigher did Ruby tbh). Ruby rejected help every step of the way, no matter how many times Yang tried to talk to her about it because she wanted to be the kind of Person that never needed help (examples: When Ruby runs away in v8 and yang follows her or when she passes out after learning what happend to Penny....both times "Are you okay?" ignored) Ruby wanted to be the Leader and earned the hard way that she had to get used to failure
@@TiltedPotatohead Duh, because he was right? Phrased it to harsh but not wrong in any way. Ruby was so happy to be the Leader until she actualy had to take responsibillity for her plans and when they didn't work she lost it. Ruby was far to young and inexperienced to be thrown into the Leader role and that was the moment she figured that out...to be honest, Weiss would have been a better Leader since Day 1 as she is the only one of the 4 that didn't break once even with all the shit they went trough. Not that i blame Ruby for that but Ozpin realy didn't think this trough....as he has proven time and time again Could team RBWY have noticed and handeled it better? Of course they could have but thats not what the writers were going for and Rubys breakdown was set up since V6 at least but thanks to that timing we now have half of the fans hating Yang for reacting completely normal and the other half screaming "Homophobe" at Ruby and both camps are idiots imo Thought experiment: You Brother is screaming at your Girlfriend after he got fired from his job. She had no fault in it, she can't change what happend and yet gets all the blame...whos side are you on? Family or loved one? One wants to vent and chooses the first happy target and the other simply trying to defuse the situation.... The choice should be obvoius and in the moment, Yang did nothing wrong here but i guess if you want to hate something, you go off on anythng that can give your hate boner any kind of validation -.-
@@WalterWhite-jz7ctYang hasn’t been a sister to ruby in a long time she has been so hyperfocus on Blake who is clearly okay now to the point she ignored her sister entirely!! The only person who has religiously checked up on or even cared for ruby was Weiss and in a sisterly way at that!
When Jaune shouted “What about you?! ITS ALL ABOUT YOU!” Is what really drove Ruby to her breaking point. Her face says it all it’s not that she’s mad at him for saying it, she’s mad because he’s absolutely right. It’s all about her, she doesn’t understand why, and she hates that.
Its all about her when desicions are needed to make or world is needed to save or friends are needed to pick up but its never about her when she feels shitty like this. 😔
@@mizel.i I mean Jaune has helped her before like back at the village (volume 4 I think?) so I think it’s far worse for her that her first friend is the one to say this. I mean back then he went out of his way to reassure her and lighten the burden she felt, so for him to be the one to say this has got to hurt.
Jaune was not right about what he said. He was being a major hypocrite in blaming everything on Ruby. Jaune accuses Ruby of making thing about her, when he is the one doing that, as his treatment of the Paper Pleasers proves.
Ruby made choices but at least they were her own choices and yeah people died, people die everyday family friends loved ones. Ya still need to go on just like how summer rose did. Ruby had to let herself feel the pain let it out to move on and going forward. If there is a 10 because highly doubtful. She’ll need to accept that people are gonna go rather she makes a choice or not, gotta keep going
ngl i think she was hurt because it was jaune sayin it he’s always been there for her he helped her after she literally exploded in volume 1 he was there when she was alone at the dance he talked to her at the village it prolly hurt her more that the one who was always there for her for everything was the one yelling at her
Ruby sounds like Raven and Jaune sounds like Ironwood. Jaune's fear of failure, agitation towards deception, and resolved grief have festered into bitter resentment. Ruby's unresolved grief of Penny, the weight of her failures, how the enemy gets the better of her, the growing uncertainty of heroism, her uncertainty of her mother's fate, and seeing the Abyss have caused her to buckle. But from what I've seen in RWBY, the real cause of their failures is repressing their emotions and being open about the truth.
I'd like to point out that Weiss is Ruby's true friend here actively making sure she's okay and asking is everything alright, she even reaches a handout when RUby leaves xD
I still believe Weiss is the only good person in the team. And one of the three (the others being Jaune and Ren, they screwed up Nora) good people among Ozpin's current faction, no matter how much they butchered her in recent seasons. Well, at least she wasn't obliterated as much as Bumblebee (Despite how terrible the individual members were since the beginning. Also, I hate that insipid ship, but can't avoid calling them that any more. There is no Yang, there is no Blake, there is no individual person, there is only this abhorrent creature called Bumblebee) or Nora. Or the abject failure of an entity that is Ozpin. OR the very world of Remnant now it's been revealed the tree created the brother gods. And I still can't tell who Ruby is as a person. What does she want out of life other than killing monsters and eating sugar? Why did she want to become a Huntress? Is 'to make the world a better place' really it? Why do all her plans involve placing herself in the spotlight? Who IS Ruby Rose? I could not tell you. Especially since they decided the best way to deal with her trauma is to have her kill herself and reset to default.
Honestly speaking this is something that NEEDED to happen. Both Ruby and Jaune have been through so much as had been repressing it for so long at this point it was either supposed to come out like this or in a way that both of them would’ve really regretted
Yeah, I mean what we’re the others expecting Jaune and Ruby were the leaders and swim through seas of mistakes, suffering, and death, and what do they to show for it besides failure, lost friends, fallen kingdoms, lost relics, and being trapped in a different world. How do they expect the, to be at this point
I knew this was gonna be Ruby's arc ever since the dream sequence with the herbalist. Unlike Weiss, Blake, and Yang, who found empowerment through their struggles, all Ruby has done so far is lose things and she's reaching her breaking point. This is further exemplified by the setting being a literal fairytale, like the ones that inspired her to become a huntress, only to find that things are not that simple.
@Daan Duijkers not to mention Ruby, said she's always been the one to pull everyone together. She comforted Weiss about going to Atlas. She held them together when they found out about Salem. She had to lead against Ironwood's madness. I hate to say it but her team took her for granted. None of them have really given her the chance to grieve or even support her through things. And even Jaune wants ro blame her for Neo ruining his fantasy when he was the one who brought them and couldn't move on or accept the Truth being told to him.
@@2495781 like Maria said her giving herself no credit wasn't a compliment, now she's in a place where people just expect her to be ok like all the time. It was definitely going to happen sooner or later.
@@davidssubwaycookies190 yep just like Sindri in GOW Ragnarok. Everyone just took and took from Ruby until she had nothing left to give. Even Jaune took her fir granted a bit as she often took more of the load of being a leader then him.
damn, no wonder so much happiness in the previous episode, it had to come with a price, but at last we see the true feelings of ruby and jaune, everything they have suffered and carried since the atlas disaster.
I think with Ruby she's been dealing with this since before Atlas, remember Ruby was first a little girl who believed the good in everyone, but as time goes on she's seeing the world for what it truly has always been.. Cruel, and I get where jaunes coming from but at the end of the day Ruby is literally just 15 16 while him and the others are 17 18 and the fact that they NEED Ruby bc of her silver eyes in order to defeat Salem adds a little too much pressure on a literal child, I think jaune is the main person who understands Ruby since he's also a leader and has too much pressure on him, but last I checked he wasn't making any real decisions on the safety of everyone, he followed Ruby despite being a leader himself.
@@MrLightningbob How it's this disappoiting? Ruby is full of traumas, Salem is wining, one of her best friends die, maybe her mother became something like the Hound of Volume 8, it´s trapped with her group in a weird place, Neo is hunting them, and etc. She is so broke inside, just like Jaune. This is true character development.
I really like how despite having similar trauma, Rwby and Jaune still have completely different responses to it. Jaune completely doubles down on his wish to be a hero, as he just can't bear to not be capable of saving someone he cares about, as what happened with Pyhrra and Penny. Rwby, on the other hand, basically gives up, as she's afraid of her plans failing as with what happened in Atlas, and possibly sharing the same fate as her mother. He wants to be relied on, while she wants nobody to rely on her.
They’ve been thematic foils to one another since the very beginning. Ruby the naturally gifted literal warrior of legend, and Jaune the boy who grew up hearing hero stories of his family before him. It’s sad but really good writing that Ruby attacked Jaunes weakest point his failure complex, and Jaune in turn out everything on Ruby’s shoulders something she’s been weighing herself down with since the beginning the volume.
Reminder that when Blake was sad in season two, team RWBY did everything to try to make her feel better and open up. Guess that courtesy doesn’t extend to Ruby
To be fair they probably didn't know what to say to her honestly given they've never had to comfort Ruby because it's always been the other way around. She's always had to be the one to be strong and pick everyone else up so it's honestly not that surprising that when the roles are reversed the girls can't handle it.
@@nappyk96 your defending blakes actions as she dosent know what todo for ruby when Blake never tried and ignored her I didn't think that was hard to understand
@Living Glowstick when did I mention Blake specifically? I referred to them as "they" (as in all the girls Weiss, Blake and Yang) cause none of them knew what to do for or say to her. It wasn't just Blake the whole team was just as responsible for Ruby's breakdown.
Those tears rolling down her face after telling Blake to "Shut Up" I know those tears so well. When you know you've just done something terrible to someone you normally care about but you're already pushed so far that you feel like you can't take it back.
I swear everything about this scene was perfect, it felt realistic and on character at the same time, even though ruby never was the kind of girl to act like that
Super glad for Ruby and Jaune here. They've both been going through some things: leadership struggles, self-doubt, dead friends, and feeling so alone. Throughout the last few episodes I didn't feel like Team RWBY was reacting to Jaune fairly, sometimes commenting or staring at him in judgement for his weird (completely understandable) behavior. Weiss, Yang and Blake also refused to acknowledge or notice Ruby's own clear issues. These two were bound to snap (Jaune especially) and I'm glad they did.
It’s very poetic in a sense that both of them are Leaders of their respective teams, and have two distinct problems to deal with. Ruby and her depressive nihilistic view of what she’s facing and Jaunes isolation, his distrust towards the world, and his unresolved trauma and rage. You can tell Jaune was holding those emotions for possibly years
People who have a problem with them snapping at the others confuse me. This has been warranted. Neither of them asked to be leader, they were assigned to be. They may not have made the best decisions but they're doing the best with what they had. Jaunes team seemed to be more caring of him and his issues, but WBY didn't really seem to ever acknowledge Ruby as she constantly pushed forward and worked to help them. Everyone's had their moments of lashing out and acknowledgement is part of the process of healing. Being positive all the time is actually a problem, which is what Ruby had been trying to do. It's actually healthy for her to be negative like this, it's just so contrary to her normal personality that it's jarring, but her criticisms we're mostly valid.
@@setsunastarlight To be fair to the girls, Ruby’s always been the strongest of them. She’s always pushed forward with optimism and determination to do the best she could. Between their own issues, and the fact that they never considered the possibility that she could be struggling, let alone would be, they couldn’t have seen the problem. They took for granted that Ruby would never falter and never break. And they never even realized it.
Honestly, Blake sort of deserved the shut up, as harsh as that sounds. Like yeah Blake clearly didn’t do anything wrong, and it’s really just ruby lashing out. But Blake…kind of needs to learn to read the room. Ruby has been building and keeping this up for years, it is not the time to cheer her up, she needs to vent. She doesn’t need a pep talk especially not from Blake. Because Blake honestly is probably one of the people she’s actually angry at the most during her rant. In her mind…Blake and yang while a happy moment, feels like they’re rubbing it in her face. That they get to be happy, while ruby can’t even touch her weapon and no one cares. And to hear that source of agony tell her to look on the bright side, it causes her to snap.
I could see ruby kinda resenting yang for that. Anything small happens and she'd be there for blake, but it takes her sister hitting a breaking point to get the same emotional support.
I think the sad part is Blake had told Ruby only days ago that she found her positive outlook so inspiring, and the one time she tried to help everyone feel better Ruby told her to shut up 😭
Ruby and Jaune directly parallel each other your honour. If people turn this into another "who was right/who was wrong" situation like the Ren and Yang scene I swear to god. Edit: they're already in my comments
1:58 You can definitely tell by that look Ruby has hearing all that being told her by the person who has also been for her and supported her really hurt like hell.
Jaune man that hurts specially off of V8 when we saw Jaune at his best deal with a similar attack from Reb. His emotional strength and fortitude before the weight of what he did to penny broke him down
God fucking damn, I didn't think either Jaune's VA or Ruby's VA had it in either of 'em, to deliver such chilling performances They both sound like they've completely lost it, and there's something oddly satisfying about hearing Jaune REALLY tear into Ruby like that
True, they both make good points, and I don't think Jaune's necessarily "more right", but it was satisfying in some weird way to see Jaune go off. Ruby's plan would've probably worked if (1) Cinder wasn't clued in by Jinn or (2) Weiss didn't throw by saying "one-way ticket", but it was still a very naive, optimistic plan with no contingencies for enemy action. I think that, for a long time, Ruby had at least a minor belief, deep down, that she was the storybook hero just like her mom, that she could succeed where everyone else had failed. She obviously doesn't have that any more, but it definitely feels right in some way for Jaune to call her out, that "it's all about you." Ruby doesn't consciously think that, but that's just how things have ended up, and it's right for Jaune to feel sidelined, isolated, ignored, etc. Honestly, I was kinda hoping that Ruby would just deck him after all that, but there's definitely time for an escalation over the next 3 weeks...
@@protector_of_rwby Tbh, I kinda wanted her to punch him too, wouldve loved that. Because although I get how Jaune feels its not really all Ruby's fault. The final results were something that Team RWBY came up with, and that they all had a hand in. The writers attempted to have a group falling out but they didnt dive deep enough, so it comes off as most of them kinda going along with it. Even if you can say Ruby's the biggest "culprit", theyre all at fault. Also Neo hates her for something thats not even her fault so its just insult to injury. Team Rwby hasn't really been a proper team. From a writing standpoint some could argue they havent been since volume like what 2 or 3. Having Ruby finally be fed up of it all and punching Jaune after he tries to pass the buck wouldve been crazy.
@@tigerfalco Punch would have been too extra i think. Disagreements and all they're on the same side ultimately and they both understand that, hence why Jaune is so quick to apologize
It’s probably satisfying because no one has torn into her yet for what went down in Atlas. Up till now her team danced around the consequences of their actions and didn’t try to hold Ruby accountable. But Juane’s criticism finally gave voice to any frustration the audience may have.
I don't blame ruby for getting carried away like that. after everything she's been through and what happened in atlas, she really needed to do that. to get it off her chest and make herself understood. 😭😭
I think that ruby and jaun both had a reason to lash out and that none of them where in the wrong after both of them had built up how they felt for so long it was only a matter of time before they snapped.
@@jtrip4204 Diffrence is, Jaune's already snapped multiple times while ruby's snapping after nine seasons with no one one her side since she's the positive leader. Ozpin was in too much of a hurry to get her into his school.
@@jtrip4204 I feel theres more to it the fact that what if theres a place to go back to and I seen all them faces in that monster there is something clicking in side her but I feel Jaune was feeling guilt them stars die but they made a oath to save lifes to become a hunter or huntress 2 episodes in a role she didnt wont her weapon something eatting at her and I feel its that world just figure the last part out
Its sad how the two cheefull person in team, became the most broken, its miserable seeing it, but i like ruby and jaune got the reality check, and got this development, i love they admit their feeling and let it out. it means they're mature and hope they got a good result as a leader... sooner..
it is usually the most cheerful people who hold the deepest pains, because they are constantly trying to make everyone around them happy, so they don't have to suffer the same hells they do.
The most fucked up thing is that they were never meant to be in Beacon in the first place. Fucked up that the two least experienced members of the group has had to deal with the baggages of others for a majority of the series.
Of course she's like this. She's still 17, and went through horrible events and heard heartbroken news. Is normal she can't take it anymore. Anyone in her situation would be in the same state she is, feeling like sh*t and trying to go through it but not being able to
@@FabschOblivion669 from what I've read on the RWBY wiki (the only source I found), Ruby was 15 from volume 1 to 2. Then from 3 to 6, 16. And then, from 7 to currently 9, 17
the stunned look on their faces when ruby leaves. At first they acted like she was just throwing a tantrum, but when she tells them to shut up, thats the moment they truly realized shes hurt
Ruby clearly is in pain and Yang's decision is to shield Blake like Ruby is the enemy rather than focus on the fact her sister is suffering from anguish and despair. That is the most fucked up thing about this, she basically villianizing her sister for venting.
the realest thing that has come out of this show ever, honestly. Yang has, since the beginning, *never* really taken into account Ruby's thoughts or feelings unless they were useful, or aligned with what she wanted. And not even in a malicious way, but in a very common, insensitive, elder-dealing-with-younger, way. The way parents do with their children, that sparks lasting resentment and not just the "oh they'll get over it" tantrum. the way Adults do, and then react negatively when anyone "beneath" them does the same to them. Yang has been, *real* with Ruby, *and that's the problem.* Not to say Yang is a *bad* person. Only that she is displaying very common interactions: what Yang wants, comes first, and if along the way Ruby is helped or gets something out of it, sweet. if not, welp, that's the way the cookie crumbles, right? Oh wait, Ruby is displaying uncharacteristic *tranquil fury?* she's going on a small rant, venting feelings that nobody noticed even though they *should* have? oh wait no she's mad at Yang's new girlfriend nope now you've stepped over the line Ruby, even though everything you say is valid, because you've *dared* to call out *my* girlfriend, you're a problem. Like i said: very commonplace. And the exact reaction that happens to people who try to "stay positive" and then finally have *enough* and cut loose with how they *really* feel: vilified for *daring* to express that anger.
I could respect it if she stepped forward towards ruby and took charge as her older sister and the one who knows her the best. But Blake cowering in fear??? Straight up goofy
@@BonnieAngel141 I like to think it's because Blake put it all together pretty quickly when Ruby snaps. She's been in the wrong, and she knows it. Also, I don't think Blake has ever seen Ruby actually snap at someone, and that alone is probably shocking alone. This is the cheery, bubbly little sister friend that has all of a sudden started ripping everyone a new one, and with entirely valid points. Yang, on the other hand, is doing what most of us big sibs do, and completely going after the wrong issue, which is protecting Blake from Ruby, instead of doing the other much better option of trying to reason with her to get all of those feelings out without letting it sting too much. I've made both decisions, to protect someone other than my little sis, and later, realizing my mistakes in the past, siding with her and working out the issue. I think this is honestly the first time Yang has had that conflict of interest, and she's doing what most do and protecting the wrong person, and not comforting her sister.
Honestly, not to me. Mostly because it felt contrived in a particular way, and the person who deserved the most scorn didn't get anything. It's saddening to think Ruby didn't lash out at Yang the most because of some lingering one-sided love for her.
It 100% was for me, Jaune screaming at Ruby about the plan failing felt cathartic as hell. Team RWBY was on something during volume 8. Even though it was a little hypocritical since he took part in the plan it just felt so good 😭😭
Why is everyone shocked Ruby is acting this way? Have they been blind this entire season?! Don't get me wrong, this is good development for Ruby. She was never a good leader. Shocker putting the youngest member as the leader wasn't a good idea in the long run. That and Ruby's only mentor was her drunk uncle and unresolved trauma from losing her mum. Jaune was right to call her out on that. Their plan was awful and lead to another kingdom being destroyed which caused Penny's death and Weiss to lose her home. Edit: Yes, Ruby was best suited to be the leader in volume 1. Yang was too hot-headed, Blake was a loner and Weiss was too busy being the posh mean stereotype. But, Weiss was right in debating if Ruby should be the leader and Ruby herself didn't want it. No one gave her training either. Not a single teacher or older student pulled Ruby to the side to give her individual training, instead she was just thrown into the deep end. Plus she was only 14 through volume 1 to 3 and by now in volume 9 she's only 16, and her leadership skills are still poor.
They've been too caught up with their own thoughts. Unfortunately, that's been a running theme for years, which is why Ruby finally popped off. It was going to happen sooner or later and I think her trauma flashbacks accompanied with the fact that she's being blamed for the village's destruction just pushed her over the edge.
@@venomm4563 They should have trusted Ironwood over Emerald, even if she found a redemption. Its long to explain but there's plenty of good videos that go into detail in why the team distrusting Ironwood was on them. I know the crew were probably told by Monty before he passed that Ironwood would betray them but not told how. Their how was stupid...
I saw the depression and pain she was going through since the start and I knew it was only a matter of time until she snapped. The moment in the intro when team RWBY was walking and running faster while Ruby was walking slower seemed like a dead giveaway, let's not forget that she was the only one who gave in to the Herbalist's visions.
After re-watching scenes from this and other episodes and a youtuber's topic on her breakdown, that "shut up, don't do that" has more meaning. Blake has been unintentionally brushing off Ruby's feelings and changing the topic. When Ruby was upset and was trying to speak up when Yang asked what's wrong after cat brought up Atlas, Blake said they have other things to worry and shouldn't talk about home. But when Jaune was showing signs of issues, she was ok with putting their problems aside to help Jaune and Ruby looked pissed the whole time at the table. (This isn't to down play Jaune's trauma because it's a serious problem as well). She told Blake to shut up because she was going to do it again or try to make things positive. It didn't help that when they were in the ponderstorm, the important thing that was bothering Yang and Blake was getting THEIR feelings out and when they comfort Jaune after the village flooded, which is why she said all that stuff to her friends. Ruby saw that their feelings were more important and when she wants to say something, looks obvious depressed, or Yang barely trys to talk to her, getting home is more important. She's been holding her feelings since the 2nd episode. No one was noticing nor reading her behavior and wasn't comforting her. Yang was trying but keeps getting interrupted then forgets about Ruby. Ruby comforts Weiss after the attack at the market and Weiss expected Ruby to cheer up Jaune. She was sick of that and is why she said "why do I have to be the one to pick people up. What about me." When Jaune blamed her for everything, that hurt her but she also hurt Jaune. The youtuber said she was hurt because it was Jaune of all people to say it and I believe that plus her believing that was true. She break down before in volume 8 when her plan failed. People may call her selfish but her mindset isn't in the right place. In her mind she thinks no one cares and she isn't getting any emotional support.
I agree to all(what a read😉👍), Ruby said shut up to Blake cuz she was really done with empty optimism that get them to this point inculuding herself. She does need to vent and get things out of her chest than given hope. Ruby saw everytime things were more important than herself such as Blake saying they should focus on getting them taller or getting home(cant remember her exact words), then at pappervillage she saying Jaune needs their help more than getting home plus he is best one to lead at hand rn him being there long(that brings us also Ruby thinking her emotions doesnt matter as much as his and she isnt needed anymore even though its not really the case), also we have ponderstorm which thought BB issue was more important (not saying to belittle ship, storm could make Ruby face her own issues rather than theirs) etc. Maybe I said same things as yours but I trully think they should have talk things or let her (and themselves) grieve for Penny when she woke up after passing out instead of trying to get on the road immediately. Not to mention they were awake most of time if not none at all since end of v7. Maybe her lashing out wouldnt be as destructive as much, its just mine wishful thinking tho.
yup. people who get mad at Ruby for it have the emotional understanding of a used tampon. they obviously have never struggled with depression on the level Ruby is currently. also something that is scaring me: recall the poem from which Ruby's mom gets her name ? ‘Tis the last rose of Summer, Left blooming alone; All her lovely companions Are faded and gone; No flower of her kindred, No rose-bud is nigh, To reflect back her blushes Or give sigh for sigh! I’ll not leave thee, thou lone one, To pine on the stem; Since the lovely are sleeping, Go sleep thou with them. Thus kindly I scatter Thy leaves o’er the bed Where thy mates of the garden Lie scentless and dead. So soon may I follow, When friendships decay, And from Love’s shining circle The gems drop away! When true hearts lie withered, And fond ones are flown, Oh! who would inhabit This bleak world alone? now there are some disturbing parallels that work just as well for Ruby as her mother in the last part. "so soon my I follow WITH FRIENDSHIPS DECAY and from Loves shining circle THE GEM Falls away" when TRUE HEARTS LIE WITHERED and fond ones are flown oh who would in habit this BLEAK World ALONE? THE POEM ISN'T JUST ABOUT SUMMER BUT ALSO HER DAUGHTER THE LITERAL LAST ROSE OF SUMMER! RUBY IS IN DANGER DAMMIT! THE EVER AFTER IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST PLACE TO LOSE SENSE OF SELF AND THA'TS WHAT SHE IS STRUGGLING WITH SHE QUESTIONS HER VERY EXISTENCE SHE DEFINED HERSELF BY STORIES OF HER MOTHER OF BEING A HUNTRESS NOW SHE CAN'T EVEN TOUCH HER BELOVED CRESCENT ROSE. AND NOBODY FUCKING NOTICES!!! ANSD SHE RUBY(a gem) JUST SURE AS HELL FLEW (fell) AWAY!
Volume 1 Weiss would have probably laughed at Ruby and tell her she knew she wasn’t fit to be a leader. I guess it’s time for Weiss to see if she can be the best partner she could be for her friend.
The way Weiss act around Ruby is really hollow in this volume i hope they have a talk, just them both, because right now, their partnership is really bad. I don't want Ruby to talk to everyone and be happy again, i really want them to put some light on these two
Weiss has a lot to deal with. Then again with no Grimm the people can finally air things out and not bottle it in. Seriously, the Grimm are messed up. The Brothers of Light and Shadow plus Salem have ensured emotional repression for generations and it's high time Rooster Teeth addressed that
I actually can't believe that Ruby had the balls to call out Bumblebee, that freaking cracked me up. I thought they would just skip over that with Ruby's outburst but man I was pleasantly surprised
Ruby spitting facts on bumblebee on this episode my reaction was like how the ending showing red from final fantasy saying holy $#*% being honest yang has not been a good sister to ruby since coming back
@@pablovalle2393 say 👏🏼it 👏🏼again 👏🏼 finally someone understands, I’m glad she called them out like bitch be for real! And the part that pissed me off the most Yang protecting Blake like bro she not throwing hands she’s having a mental breakdown, yang hasn’t been there for ruby and it shows and she didn’t even go after her, none of her friends went to go after her wtf! I like how jaun is the only one that actually feels what she feels and yell back but wby is just in lala land like omg did she just say that! Next episode is going to be interesting
@@olserknam yeah she did but she was already at a different level from Jaune when they first met. She was gifted. She had silver eyes, a semblance, and was already skilled at fighting (due to training with Qrow and Yang). So she was already experienced by the time she met Jaune. Jaune wasn't really experienced back then, but he did come from a long line of heroes, so that's something. I guess you can say Ruby was already combat ready? I'll stop
I like that throughout this scene Weiss seems to be the best at paying attention to Ruby's emotional cues. Although she may not know what to say, she seems to have a closer emotional connection.
I'm glad that Ruby's doing a Ned Flanders and going off on everyone. She needs to vent out all the stress happening ever since BEACON, not Atlas. Same goes for Jaune. I imagined being alone with all the trauma and with no one to talk about it drove him over the edge a few times. Also, Yang, I know you love Blake and all, but for crying out loud, don't be confrontational when your SISTER is having an honest-to-god mental breakdown.
@@Bakuganluver23 THIS! Exacly like everyones bitching about Yangs reaction....what would have been better there? You can't comfort or calm down someone who just need to vent so all Yang could do was damage control
Y’know, this scene kinda highlighted the problem I’ve had with Blake and Yang for a long time. All of their character writing has been about each other for ages. Yang is hardly a sister to Ruby at all. Jaune has grown on me over time and Weiss is honestly the only person on team RWBY who’s still actually a friend to Ruby, but Blake and Yang just suck now. Ruby, however, has become a genuinely great protagonist this volume
*"You protect them, but who will protect you?'* - Pitch Black *"The people on this City. But the one thing they love more than a Hero is to see a hero fail, fall die trying. Insight of everything you have done for them, eventually they will hate you"* - Green Goblin *"Wake up to reality, nothing ever goes as planned"* - Madara
Ruby wasn't wrong either. She's had to step up the most when she's just a kid (I mean, the other girls are kids too, but she's still the youngest). Meanwhile, nobody has bothered to even try and give a shit about how SHE'S doing for a couple volumes now. They're both right.
Mantle was going to die if they hadn’t done what they did, more lives were going to be taken if they hadn’t taken the relic. Salem wasn’t going to stop until she got what she wanted. At least this way they saved both cities, as for Neo hating ruby, what happened to Roman was an accident and it wasn’t rubys fault but Neo wanted someone to blame.
@@venomm4563 The lie only made things worse though. Like, it was the final catalyst for Ironwood doing what he did. Granted, we have no way of knowing the other "what if" scenario, but still, the lie did contribute on the plan failing. Hard.
Honestly for rwby standards this scene is really good jaune telling ruby her plan was stupid was peak you could tell she couldn't disagree but was still angry ruby getting on yang and Blake makes sense they're trapped in a fake world and in war rn with Salem not the time to be macing up with your crush and the scene at end where ruby said shut up is beautiful ruby can't be hopeful then she the main one barring all the weight of team and world with her team being mostly unhelpful
Her plan wasn't stupid though, the only thing that made it fail was mostly that the portals were one way so no one could come back to help them. And what I'm seeing everyone fail to point out is that NO ONE ELSE HAD ANY BETTER PLAN OR ANOTHER PLAN AT ALL. Ruby had all this pressure on her, and no one gave a shit about her. Especially for Ruby just being 17 years old and the second youngest in the whole group, I think her plan was genius. She didn't prevent the cities from being destroyed, but she saved the very large majority of the population who would've otherwise died.
In defense of Ruby's plan: It was actually a good plan. The only reason it fell apart, was because Cinder learned of it via Jinn. And honestly? Given the situation that was occurring in Volume 8, they were frankly out of options. Mantle was about to be bombed, Atlas' defenses were stretched to their breaking point and it was a matter of time before Salem would reform and take direct action to retrieve the Staff of Creation. In the end, while the staff and lamp were lost, the plan still fulfilled it's main objective: Saving the people of Atlas and Mantle. Even though we don't know the situation in Remnant right now, we do know this: Winter is protecting the refugees and now the entire world knows Salem exists.
@@pie5885 they dumbed ironwood down horrendously. He was the adult with experience, the military and the resolve to do what needed to be done. Had the girls been honest and not gone behind his back leaking his plans, they probably would have had a better chance at surviving Salem's attack.
The irony of Jaune’s words is he’s exactly like Ironwood (fabulous beard and all) and that he was trying to control everything in the Paper People’s village even against their personal desires AND it still didn’t save them from destruction. Ruby was not the catalyst, she was the gasoline that fueled Neo… which with her power now becoming a mirror of Salem’s Grimm. It’s only a matter of time we see what the endgame of RWBY looks like by the end of this arc.
It's been building for 6 whole volumes, she was always the reliable and optimistic leader but she has held her feelings in for so long that it has broken her
Make that SEASONS. Poor girl got "Harry being groomed like a meatsack to die by Dumbledore"d so hard that she felt like she CANT ever be the unhappy, unhopeful one, otherwise she'd be letting down EVERYONE, and that includes good ol' Ozpin who got her enrolled in Beacon to begin with + was a really dear mentor figure to her. The girl deserve to finally be *human* for once. I argue that the reason people say she's bland and uninteresting is because a) The story switches character focus a lot, so not that much time developing her specifically and b) The poor girl's development is slow and steady as hell, and its all centered around her stress, build up and then explosion. I'd say its a subversion of the Chosen One idea. Like, with the silver eyes and leader role and whatnot, she was clearly being pushed as a quasi-chosen one, despite mentally not being ready for it yet, and people kept trying to push her to be one so fast so soon and expecting her to BE a perfect protagonist with all these traits just left her a confused, scared, angry and quite honestly, *directionless* girl who tries her best to not fuck up in the situation Fun fact: people under stress and massive expectations can fuck up ROYALLY if nobody else lend a shoulder to share the burden. Or like, try and offer any new ideas. Or *go behind everybody's back and told state secrets before it was cleared*
@@namkha209 Add in that Ruby might feel subconsciously betrayed by Weiss, for her "Greatest Teammate" promise, but this entire volume it is like there was not even a second glance at her partner. (Something that might hit Weiss next ep, I hope.)
Glad Jaune is finally standing up to the rest of the team and expressing himself instead of being pushed to the sidelines. But damn was not expecting a mental breakdown from being alone for years to be the cause of it.
Personally, I'm at the point where I actually FORGOT that Ruby and Yang were sisters. That's because Ruby and Yang haven't had much interaction in ages. No, i don't count the moment they spent talking about The Hound.
They've been together since Vol 6 and yet it takes two more volumes for the two to interact in a sisterly way and in the following volume she doesn't even try and console her sister despite all thats happened Lots of people seem to forget ruby is only like 16 and less put together as many teens are. She still needs her sister but clearly Yang isn't seemingly interested in being that anymore. Its heartbreaking tbh
Not puberty. She's 16. At best it's just teen angst, but after all the shit she's been through, it was all a matter of time her can-do attitude would snap.
I wanted Jaune to go more hard at the end of the episode. He has spent decades trapped in the Ever After away from his home and everyone he knows and loves. Jaune’s situation is so painful so him exploding and expressing his pain and anguish of being stranded all alone would have been impactful. I was thinking of Jaune maybe saying something like: _“I waited so many years for you! Do you understand how lonely and how painful it is to be trapped here for so long? Ren, Nora, Oscar, my family! Do you understand how many years I spent missing them? Missing you! Do you know how many nights I spent crying myself to sleep because of how much I wanted to see them? I’m sorry I couldn’t find a way back home after all this time! I really am! But did you not consider that, if I did find a way back home, I would have chosen to stay here waiting for you just to tell you and help all of you get back with me? That I had no choice but to stay here for you!”_
He was 19 at the end of volume 8, when Alyx lands on the ever after he had already a bard and long hair he should have been waited at least 2 years, plus since “the girls who felt through the world” (Alyx’s fairy tale) is everyone’s child story it should be older than the protagonist, at least 17 years. With all that Jaune must have been trapped there around 19 years which would make him a 38 year old grown man Just speculating
Ruby's dream was to be a huntress, somebody that can protect the innocent, someone that can bad people from causing, it's not only her choices that effect everyone, everybody played a part, Juaune also, they both became leaders at such crucial moments, only for there hopes to get crush, while Ruby was trying to keep gang together from falling apart, lionheart's betrayal, ozpins dirty secret, Ironwood and there new friends choices, Penny and pyhra death, learning about the world they live, I don't blame her for snapping, Jaune too, they've been through a lot, and now it's time for her to figure out what she has to do and if she's ready to face what comes next all of them
@@AdmiralRamirez7 all true but remember they were all kids before the fall of beacon, Ruby is like every child, they want to trust that there's no bad people take emerald, once enemies now allies, aside from that she's also a silver eye, the only way to activate that power is by experience love and lost, remember how she panic when Salem mention her mother, overwhelmed, it's hard to grow up, let alone experience such things as a child no less, that the only way to grow is by experiencing it
After all this time she snapped and traumatized, can't even pick up crescent rose without thinking of Penny, cinder, especially Salem and her involvement, like with the Grimm, created by a silver eye man body, I thought she succeeded in making Grimm intelligent but all was just experiment
Too bad while her snapping is understandable, she only comes up as a hypocrite Remember what she said to Jaune in vol 1? "You're not allowed to be a failure" "Because It's not about you anymore", "If we fail, then we'll be bringing them down with us" Yang made it clear in Atlas that they ALL will rely on Rubys decisions...They made her their leader
I hate how every time Yang notices Ruby's upset and she tries to ask her about it, SOMETHING always happens and she never gets to finish her damn question😭
Because normally at that point it’s too late. Like “dude, your sister has been going through some shit”, but NOW is the only time you notice? It’s definitely frustrating
@@JickAudioYou have to remember that Yang has been dealing with her own depression and PTSD for most of the series, so of course she isn't going to be as perceptive of those things. Especially since Ruby doesn't let anyone help, Yang tried several times and got completely ignored
@@pokeyscorpion8224 but it’s been since S1. Pulling off the cool sister trope, kinda like the Carmen/Juni relationship in Spy Kids. She doesn’t bully Ruby though, just kinda leaves her hanging most of the time. Which is why she still feels guilty about that one time during their childhood. It’s a continuous issue. Ruby is just used to Yang kinda not “being there”.
@@JickAudio It's kinda the exact opposite. Yang had been very overprotective of Ruby, so Ruby doesn't know how to respond when Yang starts stepping back. Also that's not why Yang feels guilty about that one time in their childhood, she feels guilty because she almost got Ruby killed, which in turn led to Yang being rather overprotective
Why does it feel sad that when Ruby was having a mental breakdown, you clearly see Yang was just focusing on protecting Blake. You can see it she goes in front with her arm out like some guard? My guy, that’s your sister, that’s your little sister who is having a crisis. Why are you focusing on your girlfriend that you JUST started the relationship with???
Quite. Even after they landed in the Ever After and the rest of the team started reflecting on their failures, all Yang has done is get defensive, deflect blame and shirk off their part in the damage, instead of take a look at herself. At this point, Watts would probably have as much of a field day tearing her apart as he did with Cinder on the rooftop.
That's because people forces the authors to make bumblebee canon. Volumes 1-3 Yang was a protective big sister for the rest of the group, after that she slowly became the lesbian tomboy who only care about her crush fans wanted her to be.
@@GloomyMime i dont think it has to specifically do with that ship. Yang could still be protective and with blake. I think the writers just have some difficulty with writing siblings at this point.
@@kroket_101 after the Atlas arc, I think the authors have difficulty with writhing IN GENERAL, I don't know how they can made such a good scene like the one in this episode.
Damn. The voice actor for Jaune? Killing it. Jaune has been one of my favorite characters since the beginning. This just solidified him as my favourite.
Let's take a moment to appreciate that Ruby's meltdown has been building not just since Atlas...but since the Vytal Festival in Volume 3. This was a long time coming.
Can you really blame her? Ruby wasn’t there for Yang when her arm was chopped off, she watched Pyrrha die before her very eyes and she failed to save Penny twice.
@@tedgruver7618 Not at all. Personally, I think it's excellent storytelling. PTSD doesn't need to show up immediately...it can take time to build, and Ruby's been through more than enough for it to develop.
this actually was insane. this episode was literally that an entire species creates a suicide cult, then ruby and jaune basically both have mental breakdowns. it was so well done as well. but holy fuck this was insane.
After all Ruby has been through, it’s understandable why she had to let out her anger; none of her buddies know she’s going through depression, she’s losing her heroic spark, she’s lost half of her friends, and she's now scared of her enemies. And as for Jaune’s reasons for letting out his anger, is even worse; he killed Penny (even though he didn’t want to), he’s had no one to talk to in years, and now he’s lost his favorite village of paper. I hope everything turns out good in the end😢
Well at least Ruby's can be fixed. Jaune... the bigger concern is how long the problem lasted for him, 2 years? Manageable, gives a trauma for life but theres a lot of good things in life to help recover, decades? Yea its going to be harder
People get really hurtful and out of line when they're lashing out, whether or not they mean it. She wasn't right to say it, but she can apologize for it later when she's in a more stable state of mind. Same with how she acted toward Blake and Yang- she probably is genuinely happy for them deep down, but GOD is it a bad time when she's going through so much.
@@neonal18 oh I know and agree, cause I’ve done it and have been hit by it too, my thing is she said it pretty much right after he lost them.. (also doesn’t help he named them after all his friends), I do hope they apologize to each other and hug it out.
@@NK-ew9ym Oh yeah, she did really go off at a bad time, as she sarcastically commented about. Only problem is she’s had no other time to really let it all out. Even in this episode, when she’s about to go off about their situation, that one Paper Pleaser comes up and infodumps about how they want to ascend but Jaune won’t let them. She wasn’t wrong in her assessment. “No time, right? Gotta get home! Gotta help Jaune!” It’s just unfortunate that it boiled over like this. I really want them to work it all out too, and maybe even call back and add to Monty’s words: we all need to keep moving forward, but it’s okay to stop and get our emotions straight.
Bro, I’m literally on neither sides. All I see is two teenagers who needs therapy and are shouting out hurtful but also true things because they can’t take it anymore. Who cares who’s right and who’s wrong? Pointing fingers only add fuel to people’s suffering. You can be Team Ruby or Team Jaune but I’m Team Give Them Therapy
When you think about it Jaune has been in this world for like 20-30 years which means that he's known these "Make believe friends" longer than the friends he's known before ever after. But these were still living creatures so that's pretty messed up for Ruby to say that. Although I'm still glad they touched these problems with all the drama that's been going on. Being optimistic can only go so far.
That's true, Ruby's words are harsh. Tho let's not forget that Jaune literally stated the paper pleaser are 'too stupid' and that 'they need him'-- establishing he kept them for his own sanity and selfishness to be a 'make believe hero' and cope with loneliness. He decided himself what paper pleasers should do, when the creatures themselves are symbolic of acceptance and moving forward for him-- Hence, their long for 'ascension' to the Tree. I think Ruby meant is to stop mourning the creatures as props for Jaune to make himself feel better. Though I just wished she addressed it properly, but of course, with her mental state, she couldn't.
Team RWBY always has this mentality that "All's Well That Ends Well". This is a dangerous way of thinking, because they will convince themselves that the destination matters more than the journey. The consequences don't matter. The Heroes save the day. Anyone who disagrees is a jerk or worse a villain (Ironwood). Any criticism will be brushed aside. "What good is saving anybody if Salem just destroys the world anyway?" Ruby thinking about their failure and the lives ruined. "That's how Ironwood thought, you don't mean that." Yang brushing away any introspective thoughts. It is like a Hive Mentality, they reinforce each others beliefs while getting rid of anything they don't like.
My thoughts exactly, they got away with this way of thinking way too many time. It's only matter of time untill they have to face the consequences of the time they actually in the wrong. Never thought I will see this scene from RWBY, but the welcome surprise one nonetheless.
I know I'm gonna get a lot of flack for this, but... Yang's relationship with Blake has made her a worse person. Her first Instinct was to protect Blake and not her own God damn little sister, who has been desperately needing her support. Not only is she choosing to protect Blake, but to also glare down Ruby. And this while Jaune is also dealing with his own anguish as well, and she still chooses being in La La Land where she can pretend that everything is all warm and cozy. I will not respond to any comments.
@@UnlimitedIvory why share an opinion if you aren’t open to discussing it? How self important does one have to be to think they are gracing others with their thoughts Either you are open to discussion or you just love the idea of others seeing your opinion that’s it
@oneone99able meh I can't really answer that since I never had an issue with it myself, but some people just like putting their thoughts out there without having to talk to people.
I think Weiss is going to be the one that rebuilds the bridge to both of them. Blake look terrified of Ruby during her breakdown and in that same breakdown tried to sweep it under the rug by saying “I know everything seems bad now…” (I don’t begrudge her for this though. They’re in a bad situation that they DO need to focus on getting out of). And Yang looked like she was about ready to throw down with Ruby. Weiss got to be on the receiving end of Ruby’s outburst as well. And watched Jaune verbally rip into HER teammate. And yet she showed both of them patience, compassion, and understanding. Even when she called out Jaune, there was no anger in her voice. Simply concern and worry. Did Weiss fuck up in the market by giving Ruby grief for looking out of sorts? She did. But I think, with this scene, it’s clear she’s going to be the one that’ll bring both of them back from the brink. Well, Ruby at least. I can’t tell if Jaune’s too far gone.
@@jamman9569 His ''fuckups'' are minimal considering dude was just trying to save his people, only to end up losing the whole fucking kingdom alongside with the already fucked up Mantle down there.
Just thinking about my boy Jaune Volume 2 he’s constantly rejected Volume 3 the girl who love him is killed Volume 4 he was clearly depressed Volume 5 he was ready to die Volume 6 he was ready to kill Volume 7 finally having fun again Volume 8 his best friend hit him below the belt and then he’s forced to do an unspeakable act. And then at this point of volume 9 he had been waiting for his friends for years by hisself. Now the one place where he was actually able to be the hero he always dreamed of he’s failed again. This was gonna happen eventually.
"I don't know if you've ever let someone down, got your ass kicked or straight up failed, but those are the moments that define us. They push you further than you've ever thought possible, and force you to make choices... no matter what the cost." - Cole MacGrath, inFAMOUS 2
lets be honest here, it was practically a given that jaune and ruby were gonna have a mental breakdown, both are leaders who have so far watched most of their plans either fall apart, or watched others die because they couldnt save them
Blake means well but she doesn’t know that every single time Ruby’s had a problem Blake’s unconsciously brushed it off to the side. It’s a symptom of Blake’s chronic avoid-confrontation-itis that still persists even after she came back to the group. Ruby telling her to shut up was so satisfying.
This was so good but so sad. All Volume the other characters had been ignoring Ruby's obvious depression and it finally hit a boiling point. That venting was a long time coming, and Jaune himself has probably had that in his gut for years now. Poor Ruby and Jaune.
Umm... April Fools?
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What website are you getting this from?
Dont just put ff7 abridged there
Your animating skills are on point, Domo! Had us fooled and everything! How’d you get the cast to go along with the joke of actually making a tense scene?
Ruby Are You Ok?
couldn't agree more blas
You know it’s serious when Ruby flat out tells Blake to “shut up” the moment she tried to give a speech.
It's actually a very realistic reaction too in her situation.
I’m tired of the speeches as well. Ruby had every right to be angry.
Finally someone told Blake to stfu😂
I been tired of speeches since south Park
@@elpepo0 I’ve been wanting to tell that to half the cast since volume 4
Jaune being sane for twenty fucking years after assisting a friend's suicide, betrayed and left to die by Alyx, and then gets saved by a bunch of suicidal paper people is some Grade A suffering.
It's almost Peter Parker levels of suffering
@iraqifoodcart8447 almost? He wanted to stay with Pyrah and be the best he could be for her. She died and he used that powerlessness and turned into strength by leaning his semblance. The act of her death is Gwen Stacy/Uncle Ben Energy.
All he needs is the obligatory Emo/Venom phase which this could be.
@@Mr.Inktail
Where's the symbiote when you need him.
Writers: you are my special..
@@Mr.Inktail if he's referring to comic peter than your both wrong because
Honestly, props to Ruby. Every time something gets fucked people keep going 'GOOD VIBES ONLY' so that "Shut. Up. Don't... do that." was a longggg time coming.
Damn.... Maybe Ironwood was right.
The only thing that Ruby did wrong was not address her feelings sooner before it led to her exploding like she did here. Before people can fix things, they have to know there's a problem.
@@sifuhotman1300 relationship-like things aren't that important right now.
I mean Ruby does have a point in that they can't keep going "GOOD VIBES ONLY". Jaune's gone a little crazy from isolation and festering in guilt. Ruby just crumbled under all the pressure of the shit they've been through.
There is no brushing it under the carpet. They have to acknowledge how fucked the situation has become.
Can sympathize with that, honestly. The absolute worst thing I can hear when something bad happens, or I'm feeling awful for whatever reason, is how much better it might eventually be, could've been, or is somewhere else.
Then just below that on the infuriating scale is the opposite, people who feel the need to say how much worse it could be, or how you shouldn't be feeling bad because someone else has it worse elsewhere.
It's like most people have this gut reaction to immediately divert from something bad, in either direction. Just ignore it, don't think about it, don't try to solve it, dismiss it and move on as quickly as possible. It drives me insane, because they somehow think it helps.
When Ruby approached Yang and Blake you can tell she was mainly yelling at Yang. You can tell she felt abandoned, and the way Yang stepped in front of Blake as if to protect her from Ruby probably didn’t help.
I think there's a few things going on. One, anger at others (Blake and Yang being an example) that they're able to snatch a moment of happiness when things in Remnant are so dire (Ruby was having Salem hallucinations this ep, I believe?) and the fact she can't find that moment of happiness for herself; two, the fact she feels unneeded and unnecessary, likely a combination of seeing others like Blake take the lead this volume/it even says in her song something about not being needed anymore (so I feel her 'shut up' being levelled at Blake when she was about to give the Ruby Team Leader Speech was very appropriately chosen); and I think she has a lot of anger levelled towards Jaune as well. They finally found him and he's not well, as Weiss said. Ruby sees this whole world as being a highly unnecessary waste of time, in all likelihood, whereas Jaune has been there long enough that this form of coping (he even named all the villagers after his friends) was necessary for him, but Ruby didn't respect that at all.
I'm not saying Ruby was right in all her lashings out here, there will likely be repercussions for it, but it was all highly understandable and made a lot of sense, motivated by emotions we can all understand. Why can others be happy, but not me? Why is he being so unreasonable/failing to see the bigger picture? Why do I feel like I'm being replaced? And yeah, that last one may be a bit of a threat with Blake being so close to Yang and Yang now having other high priorities to balance, but I feel her feelings towards Blake this season are also a response to her being so capable lately (which, credit to Blake, someone had to step up and do it and clearly Ruby and Jaune had various reasons for this not being possible for them).
@@veronicaproctor184 She was 100 % in the right lmao
@@oreo-postraphe We disagree
@@veronicaproctor184 Clearly
Exactly. I'd SLAP Yang (I believe in TRUE gender equality so I don't mind hitting if it's justified)....then be like "Too busy chasing kitty pussy that you forgot your own fucking baby SISTER! Blake should've chosen Sun (thanks a lot dumbass fan demand destroying Season 4 chemistry)"
You know... Gotta give Jaune's voice actor credit, dude nailed those lines. As for Ruby, same... NOW DO IT AGAIN!
Miles Luna man. Dude killed it as Felix for RVB. Doesn’t surprise me he got some good chops for Jaune here.
Yeah agree Mr Luna should give him an award🏆
:Slap!: AGAIN!
He did a good job in previous episode but here he did even better
Now he needs to take that same passion and energy he had in voicing those lines, and put it into his writing for the show as well. Quality skyrocketing, I can see it now.
God, I hope this Vol. doesn't flop. I've liked what I've seen so far, but at the same time I'm still stuck worrying the quality is gonna sink like volume 6 did in it's last stretch of episodes.
Ruby and Jaune both needed this.
They're both dealing with a lot of pressure, guilt, and regret over their recent actions and their following consequences, and they really needed to air them out. What they've been through can't be resolved with simple coddling and acting like everything's fine. They need to seriously reflect on what's happened if they'll truly be able to move on.
Truth, Faith, Humility, Failure, Self-Reflection, Inspiration, Moving Forward, Acceptance, Trust and Determination.
All of those are important factors needed for them to become the heroes they always wanted to be. A true hero wouldn't give a rat's ass about hopelessness. If there's no hope then inspire hope. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Some things in life are worth the pain fighting for. And a good leader knows when to back off and when to take charge.
True on that they just need some of that energy in order to keep moving forward just to win the day but...I don't see that happening anymore so maybe Hope is lost for good for these two? Is Remnant finally finished is this the end of the world?....😞
Kinda tragic that the most trauma has affected them the most being leaders and all considering how goofy and happy they were before 😢
The worse part is that neither was supposed to be in Beacon. Ruby joined due to Ozpin letting her in early Ruby is still the youngest of everyone and should have enjoyed the life she should have and not worried about the thing that everyone else in Beacon had to deal with. Jaune snuck into Beacon with a fake transcript with barely any training. They both became leaders too early and saw more death than they should have if they only had more time training, but someone decided it was a good idea and the person was Ozpin. Even in supposed 'death' he manages to cause more harm than good.
@@epicmarioscatman Thing is both of them wanted to become Hunters like their respective families and heroes before them. But they never asked to be leaders of Huntsman Teams. They never asked to be involved in a centuries-long secret war between two immortals for the fate of humanity and the entire world. They never asked to bare the burdens and responsibilities that came with it. They just wanted to become heroes to help people and battle monsters. Not to be drafted as child warriors for a nearly-lost battle for survival, let alone not being able to graduate first.
Why Ozpin choose one so young and one who had no experience and cheated is anyone's guess. Special powers or not. It's isn't that weren't supposed to be Huntsmen or leaders, it's just that they weren't ready. Take what happened to Hazel's sister for example.
There's a point where it tips
There's a point where it breaks
There's a point where it bends
And a point we just can't take
Anymore
There's a line that we'll cross
And there's no return
There's a time and a place
No bridges left to burn
Anymore
Oh damn
Dang this fits so well
Comes full circle now.
Yep the bridge has been metaphorically burned
But once we accept our mistake and failure we can rebuild the bridge into a better understanding
Everyone in this scene forgets that Ruby is the youngest yet she bears the most burden with every action taken. Even though the age gap isn’t big, you gotta respect how much Ruby has to take dealing with everything up to this point. Good on her for finally letting it all out
Jeanne jaune yellow. Bears the same amount of burden. He may not be young but sneaked/ cheated his way into Beacon.
He's from a family of heros yet he himself hasn't done anything heroic nor does he have the skills ir skillset.
Ruby n Yellow mirror each other.
not to mention she basically only got involved in all this cause the guy calling the shots wanted her power that she didnt even know she had.
It's the Harry Potter thing all over again: the guy calling the shots is playing the long game, but is keeping the Actual Rules to himself, and then it becomes too late, and the Secret Weapon has no idea they were supposed to BE the Secret Weapon (or a Weapon at all) and is making shit up as they go along, making bad calls left and right because they *were not made ready* and Real Shit has been happening to the people who were supposed to be their Advisors.
Ruby wanted to be a "Normal" hero. standard huntress. nothing special. just off Grimm, help people out, take odd jobs, be like her Mother: kicking ass, and saving dames.
@@Xenmaru00 Also blame goes out to Tayiang Xiao Long, Raven and Crow Branwen for shittiest Parents ever. Raven just left everyone. Tay and Crow didn't even tell her about her special gift of insta killing Grimm with her eyes.
They all are acountable for things going wrong with ruby. They just left her in this bubble that Summer was this perfect mom. And huntresses were heros. NO ONE gave her the reality check she needed before going of to beacon. She was too young and naive to be there in the first place!
@@ilovemetal1100 Taiyang and Qrow likely thought they had more time. Taking in how young Ruby is, they knew she had more years of training and schooling where they had plenty of time to ease her into the idea of what her hidden power could possibly be.
And then Ozpin got involved, and suddenly they're scrambling because now Ruby is at *Beacon* when she wasnt supposed to be yet, but Ozpin is *too powerful* to actively go up against in any meaningful way, has the old sage method of placating you while making you sound like your concerns are silly, and *at this point trying to pull Ruby would mean either pissing off someone who can practically teleport and cover more distance in less time than it takes for you to take a piss, or needing to explain why its a bad idea for her to go in so early, to her.* neither thing being something either drunkard Qrow, or widower Tai would want to deal with.
so while i *do* agree on your point of bringing up the blood-related adults (and your name being what it is, brings about the truest of irony in that), i can also see how Qrow and Tai initially thought they had far more time to ease Ruby into what her Mother *really* was capable of, and then just, *were too afraid* to say it *after*.
Especially since the timeline for this is a very short period of time since joining Beacon and then suddenly everything going to shit around them.
Raven though...she just a *bitch*. Gives Velvet Crowe (and dont she look JUST LIKE HER?!) fuckin Sweetest Girl Ever awards, and we ALL know what Velvet gets up to.
@@Xenmaru00 Fair Point. But having said that, the time between the fall of Beacon and her going with jean would have been the time to tell her about her powers no? Then again so much happened at that time... hhmm difficult indeed.
All thats for certain is that Ozpin is a major dick in not confiding with team rwby his longplay and forcing Crow to keep rwby in the dark and not telling him everything either.
SO GLAD THIS HAPPENED.
It's something I thought would happen since the Volume started, since literally EVERYONE brushed Ruby's obvious troubles off
Yeah, it still feels like they are using our criticisms instead of making it feel natural.
And it’s too little too late…
@@MisteRRYouTuby For once i have to defend this show, what's wrong with listening to the fans?
Honestly I’m glad to see this, I wanted to see more, I really want to see Ruby going up against Neo.
@@elpepo0 Ever heard of HBomberGuy? The video he made was kinda long, but it does encapsulate a lot of the problems old, new, and former fans have with the show as a whole. Including the "weird" way Roosterteeth addresses criticism for RWBY
@@MisteRRYouTuby Bullshit
It's been confirmed that Jaune's been alone for 10-20 years. That's... rough.
You forgot the buddy part
@@kunstlerprime2081 Damn it, Zuko...
That’s a good way to make someone go insane!
And trying to prevent an entire village of living paper from killing themselves on a daily basis to overcompensate for Pyrrha and Penny's death in between.
And he has so much gray hair, even though at the oldest estimate he'd be around 40. Damn, thats rough
I love how the theme of Ruby’s feelings being brushed over continues to happen right up till she goes off, like they’re just about to ask her what’s wrong then the dam breaks and everyone rushes to support him, and immediately expect Ruby to have the upbeat support, it’s just 👌👌👌
i have no context for anything leading up to this, and i'm not gonna lie, i totally thought that rock spire thing falling was actually going to be Ruby's inner thoughts screaming at everyone.
Including this, Ruby’s feelings have been brushed off at least 3 times throughout this volume.
The first was in Episode 2 when she has Penny’s sword, the second was in Episode 4 when the cat mentioned Salem, the Relics, and Atlas being gone.
And the third is now.
Heck, each time Yang actually noticed and called out. But they were all distracted.
The first by the rain, the second was due to Blake telling them not to worry and the cat going missing, and the third is shifting the concern over to Jaune.
Jaun has been dealing with the exact same feeling ruby has been dealing with since volume 2
@@Zack_Zander well the Blake thing was a distraction cuz Ruby was about to cry. Blake was trying to help calm ruby by offering her something else to think about.
@@Gioppdumister
Yeah, but to Ruby it feels like they are pushing her feeling aside until they need her only because she’s the leader
I love how the paper pleasers are shouting "Whooo!" like a rollercoaster ride as they are killed by the rushing water
Considering they wanted to die. Fair enough
they can finally ascend and become soemthing not made of paper
Jaune: *Screeching sounds*
They wanted to ascend to get new bodies and a new purpose. They naively believe the only way to do that is by destroying themselves.
Honestly Ruby was thrusted into leadership, Ozpin took a personal interest in her and enrolled her into his school 2 years early. Ozpin appointed her leader, and whenever Ruby would object or doubt herself she was often 'reassured' that she's in the right spot. Ruby just wanted to be a normal girl with normal knees, she didn't ask for THIS!
There's a LOT of things she didn't ask for. Like being involved in a centuries-long secret war between two immortals for the fate of humanity and the entire world for example.
She wanted to be a hero like her mother before her but the problem was that she wasn't ready nor was she mature enough. She had a special gift and that got her drafted regardless of her age.
Ozpin was just desperate to find something that will give him an edge to win the war at last.
Nice callback
I’m lowkey hoping when the gang gets back to Vale Ruby will get a chance to reconnect with the friends she had at Signal. She needs to be around people who don’t look to her for answers all the time
@@kidprime6863 oz met ruby and saw a summer and was so desperate to get a new team STRQ that he didnt consider if Ruby is ready, not to mention that they were faced with said secret war in their 2nd semeter or their 1st year, and was reeled in my oz in their essentially 3rd year. Team STRQ was likely told after their graduation, and was given better training. Team RWBYJNPR barely easmt ready, and ruby is even less
@@kidprime6863 he gave up on trying to win. He was content with playing an eternal game of keep away.
I absolutely love the sort of growl in Jaune's voice as he gets angry, followed by the shakiness as he acknowledges that he is not fine. Miles is an Amazing VA.
i'm just happy he lost that shitty hairstyle.
Terrible writer, but gotta hand it to him, he can act.
@@Krukmeister He's not a good writer, but I would give him props for how portrays the emotions of Jaune.
He's a great va, but not a good storyteller.
Honestly, Miles was a better writer during the early seasons of Red vs. Blue and Church's whole character arc and narrative with Tex.
@Hope Ocean I'm not a writing connoisseur at all, but in my opinion I think Miles and Kerry work better as comedy writers than as drama/plot writers,
Damn ruby being sarcastic to blake and yang was just gold
Caught me by surprise.
Yeah, but we have been waiting sooooo long for that, so... shut up, Ruby.
@@Bezaliel13Wow, so being in a relationship is more important than helping your sister who’s going through a lot of trauma? Way to prove what people say about Bumblebee shippers right, I guess🎉
@@Bezaliel13 no, you shut up she deserves this
@@Bezaliel13 you waited years for a shitty, forced, romance where they never even hinted that they were attracted to women let alone each other?
Ruby's reaction was completely warranted, same as Jaune. They've both endured so much while Bumblebee is living a fairytale and Weiss is sort of just there..
They both inadvertently attacked the most sensitive parts of their respective broken psyches. Jaunes failure complex, and Ruby hero complex. Which I loves because Jaune at his best would’ve let Ruby lash out at him and he try to help her. Alla Ren in volume 8. But this isn’t Jaune at his best, this is him at his worst. As for Ruby she is pure empathy and kindness and would’ve been genuinely sad for all Jaunes been through had she not just broke herself
@@sECUREij the ones who lifted each other most were the ones to also break one another the most, its like when 2 people love another so much theyd go through impossible lengths to save the other only to end up becoming mortla enemies and i just accidentaly explained how Ozma and Salem are right now, that was not intended guys i swear
@@nicolae-alexandruluca7853 You know too much, prepare to be disconnected from simulation in
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Weiss would probably be most of us in this situation.
weiss was also losing her shi*
"we are not in a fairy tale!"
Ruby was the happiest one when the show started and once people see you as that they figure that you’re fine and can deal with everything life has to throw at you. The happiest people are usually the ones who are the most broken and Ruby finally reached her breaking point.
Honestly that shows how completely shallow people are because no one is happy all the time and when they are unhappy no one dares to dig deeper.
@@EmptyMan000The people who are happy all the time are not typically genuine people.
That's exactly why Curious Cat needed Ruby as host.
I know a lot of people think being angry is a bad thing, but letting it out once in a while like Juane and Ruby did can be a process to moving on, and the other RWBY members, I get they're trying to help the whole positivity thing but it doesn't always work when dealing with trauma
Jaune and Ruby didn’t really have a whole lot of times to let their anger out either. At least not when it was healthy if there ever is such a time.
Letting it out is stress relieving, but sometimes the things one says can become the stress to others, ruby said some things that pretty much broke the other 3. Of course they'll get through it and ruby will find a way to be happy like she used to be. It's a long road ahead but ruby will do it, she'll come on top and when she will the world will probably be as good as saved
@@AdeptKing uhhhhh dude, jaune has been keeping it bottled up ever since Phyrra died, and he's been stuck in that places for well over a decade. I'm sure he had enough time to do that. Besides even ruby had plenty of shit happening to her so she also had enough reasons to burst. Not the time but the amount, I myself burst today at my dad for what he said to me, it wasn't much, and the stress I gobbled up was all done in one day, tired, sad, stressed cause of almost getting a ticket for bad parking position got enough stress in me, and my dad didn't help when he tolled me that I suck at during in a very hard tone. Yeah I definitely snapped at him and snapped hard. So you can imagine ruby had all the reasons to snap, I'm shocked she didn't go batshit crazy
@@nicolae-alexandruluca7853 Bottling up all that anger is unhealthy
@@nicolae-alexandruluca7853 Agreed, though Im kinda worried that the other three are going to give Ruby a lecture like Yang did with Ren and then somehow Ruby be in the wrong to be angry, I feel like all of them except Ruby and Jaune, haven't been facing the facts they've made mistakes and let out with their true feelings about the whole thing, which can definitely help with their group, for a group to be stronger, they have to fall apart to make a stronger team
What I'm most surprised about is how calm Weiss is being throughout Jaune and Ruby's mental breakdown. I'm hoping she becomes the voice of reason to help bridge their reunion as a team, alongside the efforts with Blake and Yang. This will show Weiss's maturity being the eldest of both RWBY & JNPR from the icy youth she once was to someone who longs for family (directly & indirectly).
It feels like Blake has been the voice of reason since this volume started. She’s been the one trying calm the group down. We even see her trying to do it this scene right before Ruby tells her to shut up
@Blitzus There's truth to that. I feel Blake has more knowledge of Ever After since she's the "reader" (and has passion of books) to give perspective.
Indeed, Weiss had been jealous that Ruby was appointed leader and not her. But she grew out of it and accepted Ruby as a capable leader and friend. If it weren't for her new friends and teammates, she would've remained as the spoiled cold-hearted ice queen she once was.
She did at one time want to be the leader. Nows the time to show she's worthy of the position.
I think the calm Weiss had came from practice watching her parents 😞
Yang's first instinct being to protect Blake and scowl at Ruby instead of comforting or calming down her sister is INSANE to me
I interpret it as Yang getting mad at her for getting mad at them like they're the bad guys. She has a right to be angry but taking it out on them doesn't help matters. Yang was standing ready in case Ruby's anger escalates.
I think as Ruby's older sister, she's just taking the brunt of her anger instead of Blake. I don't think she's protecting Blake but more so giving Ruby someone else to yell at instead.
@@mimiiq3855 That too
Solid agreement. I can not figure out how they didn't grieve in stereo - and be miserable they didn't catch this earlier from her.
She cares more for her girlfriend than her sister
Props to Lindsay and Miles for their voice acting here, since you can FEEL the pain Ruby is in and that everyone has ignored, as well as how Jaune is in just as much pain because of what he went through separated from the others, even if both NEEDED to get it out.
No props should go to Lindsay, her performance is fucking painful. Most of the voice acting is painful on this show.
That cry when Jaune witnessed the town underwater was one of the most devastating "No!"s of all time.
Honestly. Both Jean's and Ruby's VA killed this peformance. That was soooo good.
Pray that Lindsay Jones and Miles Luna get awards for acting out one of the most realistic and heart wrenching Rage-Breaking Points in media history!
@Julian “Jules” R I mean “one of”.
come to your senses Ruby😊
nah, kinda mid, really mid like.. forreal, you can add a lot of emotion but it just feels... mid
Ruby and Blake have somewhat swapped the positions they had at the start of the series. Ruby was once the optimistic one who gave reassuring speeches, whilst Blake was the one who was jaded, distrusting, and internalised her emotions. Blake once said that life was not like a fairy tale, only to find happiness within a world resembling one, whilst Ruby has only found misery and tragedy from her attempt to live up to the figures from stories.
Everyone in the show is like “What do we do Ruby?” But no one ask “How are you Ruby?” Not even her sis smh.
yang has asked that a lot and got eighter "im fine" or Ruby running away from her....blake is not the only one that has been deflecting a lot for a long time -.-
I mean jaune used to like after the fall of beacon but uuuuh he isn’t exactly eager to do that when she just rolled her eyes and called the people he devoted years to “make believe friends”. He was like the one person who didn’t deserve her criticism
Except they tried that earlier this volume and got completely ignored
I don't blame Ruby bursting out like that. No one in her team noticed her depression and crisis of identity. No one kept her company in the cabin. Yang and Blake were too busy smiling in their own happy little world.
I do blame Ruby for taking that low blow against jaune, saying “mourning his make believe friends.” Like damn Ruby, that was going too far and is not excusable in the slightest.
Actually, Yang noticed three times, but before Ruby can start talking, they were interrupted by something else.
@@yorgborg7899 It's excusable by Jaune literally caring more for his (and yes they are) Make-believe-friends instead of having ever (and I'm talking about Ruby still not being over Pyrrha as she stated in V5) cared about her inner World.
@@stoutheart.archer Oh. Okay. Well Ruby is such a child for crying over her dead make believe friend named Penny.
I mean honestly, getting attached to a robot?
This is how you sound.
@@stoutheart.archer also, keep in mind that those “make believe friends” were the only thing’s keeping him sane over the years. To literally roll her eyes at him is just cruel.
Jaune has gone through the wringer. Man is so torn up with loss and regret that he spent his time in the everafter atoning for his past by protecting the village. He needs to protect someone, something, it makes him not feel like a failure.
Him talking that he couldn't even be a make believe hero in the last ep
Man fakes his way into beacon, and even though he knew it was a lie, all he wanted to do was to be a hero. The first woman that ever believed in him was torn away from him in the fall of beacon, then he kills the most innocent person I could think of at her request just to keep the maiden power from falling in the wrong hands.
"I'm not okay, but how can I" no truer words spoken.
He perfectly lives up to the Fabled Rusted Knight since his desire to prove himself comes at a cost of great responsibility.
Perhaps enough tears will let him shed his armor and he will be true to himself.
Ren was right. He predicted everything
If he decides to not be a hero I can get that. Nobody suffered more than he did
At this point I just want the boy to rest. I'm going to bawl my fucking eyes out if they kill him off but that's looking like it's more likely by the episode.
@Scott Ren is definitely right. They weren’t ready to become hunters/huntresses and the fact they marched on virtue signaling and acting like they knew more than the experienced adults made it worse and honestly infuriating to watch
Both Ruby and Jaune losing it here was absolutely great for their character development. They've both slowly been changing as they've gone through hardship after hardship. But what really drives this home is that when Jaune snaps back at Ruby after she snapped at all of them is that she doesn't say anything back because she knows he's right.
So if I point out the age thing and Ozpin's rushing is that going to be met with criticism?
Ehhh. Neo hates Ruby cause she needs someone to blame Roman's death on aside from...well Roman and him being a criminal in the first place, even though I'm pretty sure Cinder or a Grimm did him in iirc. The only thing they really have to blame Ruby for is their plan in Atlas, but i don't recall anyone offering up any better alternatives, and so much shit went wrong there that was outside of any of their control.
That, and aside from Ruby being the main character, very little is actually about her in her own team. He's right so far as like....JNPR tagging along with them in their endeavors...of their own choice, cause it's not their thing to lead. Even then, everyone but Ruby has been processing and getting over shit from like Volume 1 & 2 for this entire series though so I don't exactly know how everything is about her. If anything everything is about them and she constantly picks them up because she's the young hopeful one.
If she had a cooler head and knew what the audience knows, 90% of Jaune's snap goes out the window.
@@Gration_ Question. Why does Ruby have to be the mature one again though?
this is the most wrong statement ive read all day. way to victim blame a broken girl
@@mylittleyuriclan4621 She doesn't? She obviously wasn't here, and stuffing her problems down doesn't exactly make her the mature one. She was just the person trying to keep any kind of hope going in her and Jaune's team when everyone was hitting rock bottom over and over again.
Honestly, Ruby putting Yang and Blake on blast for picking now of all times to get together while she and Jaune are at their lowest points was cathartic.
That world litteraly forced them to do that back then. Not that they didn't want that to happen but what choice did they get there? Ruby just needed someone to blame for all the loss she had felt and well...there was no other target for her. Jaune was going insane trying to delay the inevitable and slowly torture himself for what he had to do to Penny
@@TiltedPotatohead Steping in front of someone who is clearly having a mental break is...wrong in your world? Yang did nothing wrong and neigher did Blake (and no neigher did Ruby tbh). Ruby rejected help every step of the way, no matter how many times Yang tried to talk to her about it because she wanted to be the kind of Person that never needed help (examples: When Ruby runs away in v8 and yang follows her or when she passes out after learning what happend to Penny....both times "Are you okay?" ignored)
Ruby wanted to be the Leader and earned the hard way that she had to get used to failure
@@TiltedPotatohead Duh, because he was right? Phrased it to harsh but not wrong in any way. Ruby was so happy to be the Leader until she actualy had to take responsibillity for her plans and when they didn't work she lost it. Ruby was far to young and inexperienced to be thrown into the Leader role and that was the moment she figured that out...to be honest, Weiss would have been a better Leader since Day 1 as she is the only one of the 4 that didn't break once even with all the shit they went trough. Not that i blame Ruby for that but Ozpin realy didn't think this trough....as he has proven time and time again
Could team RBWY have noticed and handeled it better? Of course they could have but thats not what the writers were going for and Rubys breakdown was set up since V6 at least but thanks to that timing we now have half of the fans hating Yang for reacting completely normal and the other half screaming "Homophobe" at Ruby and both camps are idiots imo
Thought experiment: You Brother is screaming at your Girlfriend after he got fired from his job. She had no fault in it, she can't change what happend and yet gets all the blame...whos side are you on? Family or loved one? One wants to vent and chooses the first happy target and the other simply trying to defuse the situation.... The choice should be obvoius and in the moment, Yang did nothing wrong here but i guess if you want to hate something, you go off on anythng that can give your hate boner any kind of validation -.-
I will say this over and over again this BLAKE AND YANG WAS SELFISH THIS WHOLE TIME!
@@WalterWhite-jz7ctYang hasn’t been a sister to ruby in a long time she has been so hyperfocus on Blake who is clearly okay now to the point she ignored her sister entirely!! The only person who has religiously checked up on or even cared for ruby was Weiss and in a sisterly way at that!
This was probably the most serious and dramatic thing to come from an April Fools day.
I forgot what today was
We were the fools ……… for thinking things would get better after last episode
Indeed
RT doesn't do April Fools, since it's the company's anniversary and they're comedians year-round.
@Pedro Ortega I have to check back on it later, but jeez, that's messed up
When Jaune shouted “What about you?! ITS ALL ABOUT YOU!” Is what really drove Ruby to her breaking point. Her face says it all it’s not that she’s mad at him for saying it, she’s mad because he’s absolutely right. It’s all about her, she doesn’t understand why, and she hates that.
Its all about her when desicions are needed to make or world is needed to save or friends are needed to pick up but its never about her when she feels shitty like this. 😔
@@mizel.i I mean Jaune has helped her before like back at the village (volume 4 I think?) so I think it’s far worse for her that her first friend is the one to say this. I mean back then he went out of his way to reassure her and lighten the burden she felt, so for him to be the one to say this has got to hurt.
Jaune was not right about what he said. He was being a major hypocrite in blaming everything on Ruby. Jaune accuses Ruby of making thing about her, when he is the one doing that, as his treatment of the Paper Pleasers proves.
Ruby made choices but at least they were her own choices and yeah people died, people die everyday family friends loved ones. Ya still need to go on just like how summer rose did. Ruby had to let herself feel the pain let it out to move on and going forward. If there is a 10 because highly doubtful. She’ll need to accept that people are gonna go rather she makes a choice or not, gotta keep going
ngl i think she was hurt because it was jaune sayin it he’s always been there for her he helped her after she literally exploded in volume 1 he was there when she was alone at the dance he talked to her at the village it prolly hurt her more that the one who was always there for her for everything was the one yelling at her
Ruby sounds like Raven and Jaune sounds like Ironwood. Jaune's fear of failure, agitation towards deception, and resolved grief have festered into bitter resentment. Ruby's unresolved grief of Penny, the weight of her failures, how the enemy gets the better of her, the growing uncertainty of heroism, her uncertainty of her mother's fate, and seeing the Abyss have caused her to buckle.
But from what I've seen in RWBY, the real cause of their failures is repressing their emotions and being open about the truth.
Imagine if Ruby and Jaune both realize that during a rather savage battle and they sit down and talk things through.
@@calvinfujii5921 I could see the old Jaune doing that, but this bitter fossil is too wrapped up in his negativity to do it.
Hell, Jaune's beard bear similarity to Ironwood's beard from V7-V8.
@@calvinfujii5921 well the rest of Ruby's team ain't doing shit, might as well be Jaune.
Shit, it's a good thing the Grimm aren't present right now lol.
I'd like to point out that Weiss is Ruby's true friend here actively making sure she's okay and asking is everything alright, she even reaches a handout when RUby leaves xD
I still believe Weiss is the only good person in the team. And one of the three (the others being Jaune and Ren, they screwed up Nora) good people among Ozpin's current faction, no matter how much they butchered her in recent seasons.
Well, at least she wasn't obliterated as much as Bumblebee (Despite how terrible the individual members were since the beginning. Also, I hate that insipid ship, but can't avoid calling them that any more. There is no Yang, there is no Blake, there is no individual person, there is only this abhorrent creature called Bumblebee) or Nora. Or the abject failure of an entity that is Ozpin. OR the very world of Remnant now it's been revealed the tree created the brother gods.
And I still can't tell who Ruby is as a person. What does she want out of life other than killing monsters and eating sugar? Why did she want to become a Huntress? Is 'to make the world a better place' really it? Why do all her plans involve placing herself in the spotlight? Who IS Ruby Rose? I could not tell you. Especially since they decided the best way to deal with her trauma is to have her kill herself and reset to default.
Honestly speaking this is something that NEEDED to happen. Both Ruby and Jaune have been through so much as had been repressing it for so long at this point it was either supposed to come out like this or in a way that both of them would’ve really regretted
Yeah, I mean what we’re the others expecting Jaune and Ruby were the leaders and swim through seas of mistakes, suffering, and death, and what do they to show for it besides failure, lost friends, fallen kingdoms, lost relics, and being trapped in a different world. How do they expect the, to be at this point
I knew this was gonna be Ruby's arc ever since the dream sequence with the herbalist.
Unlike Weiss, Blake, and Yang, who found empowerment through their struggles, all Ruby has done so far is lose things and she's reaching her breaking point.
This is further exemplified by the setting being a literal fairytale, like the ones that inspired her to become a huntress, only to find that things are not that simple.
@Daan Duijkers not to mention Ruby, said she's always been the one to pull everyone together. She comforted Weiss about going to Atlas. She held them together when they found out about Salem. She had to lead against Ironwood's madness. I hate to say it but her team took her for granted. None of them have really given her the chance to grieve or even support her through things. And even Jaune wants ro blame her for Neo ruining his fantasy when he was the one who brought them and couldn't move on or accept the Truth being told to him.
@@2495781 like Maria said her giving herself no credit wasn't a compliment, now she's in a place where people just expect her to be ok like all the time. It was definitely going to happen sooner or later.
@@davidssubwaycookies190 yep just like Sindri in GOW Ragnarok. Everyone just took and took from Ruby until she had nothing left to give. Even Jaune took her fir granted a bit as she often took more of the load of being a leader then him.
damn, no wonder so much happiness in the previous episode, it had to come with a price, but at last we see the true feelings of ruby and jaune, everything they have suffered and carried since the atlas disaster.
Meh, I found it more disappointing than anything
I think with Ruby she's been dealing with this since before Atlas, remember Ruby was first a little girl who believed the good in everyone, but as time goes on she's seeing the world for what it truly has always been.. Cruel, and I get where jaunes coming from but at the end of the day Ruby is literally just 15 16 while him and the others are 17 18 and the fact that they NEED Ruby bc of her silver eyes in order to defeat Salem adds a little too much pressure on a literal child, I think jaune is the main person who understands Ruby since he's also a leader and has too much pressure on him, but last I checked he wasn't making any real decisions on the safety of everyone, he followed Ruby despite being a leader himself.
Beacon, Remanant, Atlas... they can't take it anymore. They wanted to be heroes, and now they are, but it came with a price
@@MrLightningbob How it's this disappoiting? Ruby is full of traumas, Salem is wining, one of her best friends die, maybe her mother became something like the Hound of Volume 8, it´s trapped with her group in a weird place, Neo is hunting them, and etc. She is so broke inside, just like Jaune. This is true character development.
@@matiasaleo5498 yup. Almost 80% L taken.
I have a feeling summer is that dragon or the jabllewonker
I really like how despite having similar trauma, Rwby and Jaune still have completely different responses to it. Jaune completely doubles down on his wish to be a hero, as he just can't bear to not be capable of saving someone he cares about, as what happened with Pyhrra and Penny. Rwby, on the other hand, basically gives up, as she's afraid of her plans failing as with what happened in Atlas, and possibly sharing the same fate as her mother. He wants to be relied on, while she wants nobody to rely on her.
They’ve been thematic foils to one another since the very beginning. Ruby the naturally gifted literal warrior of legend, and Jaune the boy who grew up hearing hero stories of his family before him. It’s sad but really good writing that Ruby attacked Jaunes weakest point his failure complex, and Jaune in turn out everything on Ruby’s shoulders something she’s been weighing herself down with since the beginning the volume.
Reminder that when Blake was sad in season two, team RWBY did everything to try to make her feel better and open up. Guess that courtesy doesn’t extend to Ruby
To be fair they probably didn't know what to say to her honestly given they've never had to comfort Ruby because it's always been the other way around.
She's always had to be the one to be strong and pick everyone else up so it's honestly not that surprising that when the roles are reversed the girls can't handle it.
@@nappyk96 so instead she hooks up with her sister and ignores her what a great person
@Living Glowstick what the hell are you talking about, mate? I don't understand my comment illicited that response from you.
@@nappyk96 your defending blakes actions as she dosent know what todo for ruby when Blake never tried and ignored her I didn't think that was hard to understand
@Living Glowstick when did I mention Blake specifically? I referred to them as "they" (as in all the girls Weiss, Blake and Yang) cause none of them knew what to do for or say to her. It wasn't just Blake the whole team was just as responsible for Ruby's breakdown.
Ruby: Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope.
I understood that reference.
@@djglitch2.031 very good 👍🏽
Hawkeye.
When people are tired of false hope.
@@SonicXD001 exactly
Those tears rolling down her face after telling Blake to "Shut Up" I know those tears so well. When you know you've just done something terrible to someone you normally care about but you're already pushed so far that you feel like you can't take it back.
Like you don't deserve forgiveness no matter if meant the things you said or not. Nor if the person understands your anger or not.
I swear everything about this scene was perfect, it felt realistic and on character at the same time, even though ruby never was the kind of girl to act like that
@@kidprime6863 What?
@@ventustbb3229 I was interpreting how Ruby felt
@@kidprime6863 Oh okay, I thought you were just saying she doesn’t deserve forgiveness.
Super glad for Ruby and Jaune here. They've both been going through some things: leadership struggles, self-doubt, dead friends, and feeling so alone. Throughout the last few episodes I didn't feel like Team RWBY was reacting to Jaune fairly, sometimes commenting or staring at him in judgement for his weird (completely understandable) behavior. Weiss, Yang and Blake also refused to acknowledge or notice Ruby's own clear issues. These two were bound to snap (Jaune especially) and I'm glad they did.
It’s very poetic in a sense that both of them are Leaders of their respective teams, and have two distinct problems to deal with. Ruby and her depressive nihilistic view of what she’s facing and Jaunes isolation, his distrust towards the world, and his unresolved trauma and rage. You can tell Jaune was holding those emotions for possibly years
People who have a problem with them snapping at the others confuse me. This has been warranted. Neither of them asked to be leader, they were assigned to be. They may not have made the best decisions but they're doing the best with what they had. Jaunes team seemed to be more caring of him and his issues, but WBY didn't really seem to ever acknowledge Ruby as she constantly pushed forward and worked to help them. Everyone's had their moments of lashing out and acknowledgement is part of the process of healing. Being positive all the time is actually a problem, which is what Ruby had been trying to do. It's actually healthy for her to be negative like this, it's just so contrary to her normal personality that it's jarring, but her criticisms we're mostly valid.
@@setsunastarlight To be fair to the girls, Ruby’s always been the strongest of them. She’s always pushed forward with optimism and determination to do the best she could. Between their own issues, and the fact that they never considered the possibility that she could be struggling, let alone would be, they couldn’t have seen the problem. They took for granted that Ruby would never falter and never break. And they never even realized it.
Honestly, Blake sort of deserved the shut up, as harsh as that sounds. Like yeah Blake clearly didn’t do anything wrong, and it’s really just ruby lashing out. But Blake…kind of needs to learn to read the room. Ruby has been building and keeping this up for years, it is not the time to cheer her up, she needs to vent. She doesn’t need a pep talk especially not from Blake. Because Blake honestly is probably one of the people she’s actually angry at the most during her rant. In her mind…Blake and yang while a happy moment, feels like they’re rubbing it in her face. That they get to be happy, while ruby can’t even touch her weapon and no one cares. And to hear that source of agony tell her to look on the bright side, it causes her to snap.
I could see ruby kinda resenting yang for that. Anything small happens and she'd be there for blake, but it takes her sister hitting a breaking point to get the same emotional support.
I think the sad part is Blake had told Ruby only days ago that she found her positive outlook so inspiring, and the one time she tried to help everyone feel better Ruby told her to shut up 😭
Nobody "needs" to vent.
@@redpack7694 It's always neccessary
@@sharifbrown3567 Nah. It really isnt.
Ruby and Jaune directly parallel each other your honour. If people turn this into another "who was right/who was wrong" situation like the Ren and Yang scene I swear to god.
Edit: they're already in my comments
The final judgment? Both times, both sides were right AND wrong.
@@calvinfujii5921 facts.
This comment section must piss you off so much then LMAO THEY'RE DOING THE SAME THING AGAIN
@@Dave-cw2mj I'm begging people to gain some sense of media literacy for real.
I sided with ren in that argument
1:58 You can definitely tell by that look Ruby has hearing all that being told her by the person who has also been for her and supported her really hurt like hell.
Jaune man that hurts specially off of V8 when we saw Jaune at his best deal with a similar attack from Reb. His emotional strength and fortitude before the weight of what he did to penny broke him down
God fucking damn, I didn't think either Jaune's VA or Ruby's VA had it in either of 'em, to deliver such chilling performances
They both sound like they've completely lost it, and there's something oddly satisfying about hearing Jaune REALLY tear into Ruby like that
True, they both make good points, and I don't think Jaune's necessarily "more right", but it was satisfying in some weird way to see Jaune go off.
Ruby's plan would've probably worked if (1) Cinder wasn't clued in by Jinn or (2) Weiss didn't throw by saying "one-way ticket", but it was still a very naive, optimistic plan with no contingencies for enemy action. I think that, for a long time, Ruby had at least a minor belief, deep down, that she was the storybook hero just like her mom, that she could succeed where everyone else had failed. She obviously doesn't have that any more, but it definitely feels right in some way for Jaune to call her out, that "it's all about you." Ruby doesn't consciously think that, but that's just how things have ended up, and it's right for Jaune to feel sidelined, isolated, ignored, etc.
Honestly, I was kinda hoping that Ruby would just deck him after all that, but there's definitely time for an escalation over the next 3 weeks...
Well the VA for Jaune is the VA for Felix from RvB
@@protector_of_rwby Tbh, I kinda wanted her to punch him too, wouldve loved that. Because although I get how Jaune feels its not really all Ruby's fault. The final results were something that Team RWBY came up with, and that they all had a hand in.
The writers attempted to have a group falling out but they didnt dive deep enough, so it comes off as most of them kinda going along with it. Even if you can say Ruby's the biggest "culprit", theyre all at fault. Also Neo hates her for something thats not even her fault so its just insult to injury.
Team Rwby hasn't really been a proper team. From a writing standpoint some could argue they havent been since volume like what 2 or 3. Having Ruby finally be fed up of it all and punching Jaune after he tries to pass the buck wouldve been crazy.
@@tigerfalco Punch would have been too extra i think. Disagreements and all they're on the same side ultimately and they both understand that, hence why Jaune is so quick to apologize
It’s probably satisfying because no one has torn into her yet for what went down in Atlas. Up till now her team danced around the consequences of their actions and didn’t try to hold Ruby accountable. But Juane’s criticism finally gave voice to any frustration the audience may have.
I don't blame ruby for getting carried away like that. after everything she's been through and what happened in atlas, she really needed to do that.
to get it off her chest and make herself understood. 😭😭
She also needs someone to tell her to not gaslight anyone ever again
I think that ruby and jaun both had a reason to lash out and that none of them where in the wrong after both of them had built up how they felt for so long it was only a matter of time before they snapped.
@@glitchedknights323 ye
@@jtrip4204 Diffrence is, Jaune's already snapped multiple times while ruby's snapping after nine seasons with no one one her side since she's the positive leader. Ozpin was in too much of a hurry to get her into his school.
@@jtrip4204 I feel theres more to it the fact that what if theres a place to go back to and I seen all them faces in that monster there is something clicking in side her but I feel Jaune was feeling guilt them stars die but they made a oath to save lifes to become a hunter or huntress 2 episodes in a role she didnt wont her weapon something eatting at her and I feel its that world just figure the last part out
Its sad how the two cheefull person in team, became the most broken, its miserable seeing it, but i like ruby and jaune got the reality check, and got this development, i love they admit their feeling and let it out. it means they're mature and hope they got a good result as a leader... sooner..
it is usually the most cheerful people who hold the deepest pains, because they are constantly trying to make everyone around them happy, so they don't have to suffer the same hells they do.
They are both leaders of their team too
The most fucked up thing is that they were never meant to be in Beacon in the first place. Fucked up that the two least experienced members of the group has had to deal with the baggages of others for a majority of the series.
@@kimoota-kun they worth in beacon, but not as a leader maybe...especially jaune
Of course she's like this. She's still 17, and went through horrible events and heard heartbroken news. Is normal she can't take it anymore. Anyone in her situation would be in the same state she is, feeling like sh*t and trying to go through it but not being able to
Ruby is like 16 actually. She's a solid 3 years younger than the rest of her team.
@@FabschOblivion669 oh. Okay, need to re-check the age period of the characters. Thanks for the clarification
@@FabschOblivion669 oh, it's actually 17, not 16
@@blaze_taiyou Really? I see. Because if I remember correctly Ruby got into Beacon when she was 15 and the rest of her team was 18.
@@FabschOblivion669 from what I've read on the RWBY wiki (the only source I found), Ruby was 15 from volume 1 to 2. Then from 3 to 6, 16. And then, from 7 to currently 9, 17
the stunned look on their faces when ruby leaves. At first they acted like she was just throwing a tantrum, but when she tells them to shut up, thats the moment they truly realized shes hurt
Ruby clearly is in pain and Yang's decision is to shield Blake like Ruby is the enemy rather than focus on the fact her sister is suffering from anguish and despair. That is the most fucked up thing about this, she basically villianizing her sister for venting.
the realest thing that has come out of this show ever, honestly. Yang has, since the beginning, *never* really taken into account Ruby's thoughts or feelings unless they were useful, or aligned with what she wanted. And not even in a malicious way, but in a very common, insensitive, elder-dealing-with-younger, way.
The way parents do with their children, that sparks lasting resentment and not just the "oh they'll get over it" tantrum. the way Adults do, and then react negatively when anyone "beneath" them does the same to them. Yang has been, *real* with Ruby, *and that's the problem.*
Not to say Yang is a *bad* person. Only that she is displaying very common interactions: what Yang wants, comes first, and if along the way Ruby is helped or gets something out of it, sweet. if not, welp, that's the way the cookie crumbles, right? Oh wait, Ruby is displaying uncharacteristic *tranquil fury?* she's going on a small rant, venting feelings that nobody noticed even though they *should* have? oh wait no she's mad at Yang's new girlfriend nope now you've stepped over the line Ruby, even though everything you say is valid, because you've *dared* to call out *my* girlfriend, you're a problem.
Like i said: very commonplace. And the exact reaction that happens to people who try to "stay positive" and then finally have *enough* and cut loose with how they *really* feel: vilified for *daring* to express that anger.
Yang has basically turned into Raven now.
@@PrincessLockette except that Raven left.
I could respect it if she stepped forward towards ruby and took charge as her older sister and the one who knows her the best. But Blake cowering in fear??? Straight up goofy
@@BonnieAngel141 I like to think it's because Blake put it all together pretty quickly when Ruby snaps. She's been in the wrong, and she knows it. Also, I don't think Blake has ever seen Ruby actually snap at someone, and that alone is probably shocking alone. This is the cheery, bubbly little sister friend that has all of a sudden started ripping everyone a new one, and with entirely valid points.
Yang, on the other hand, is doing what most of us big sibs do, and completely going after the wrong issue, which is protecting Blake from Ruby, instead of doing the other much better option of trying to reason with her to get all of those feelings out without letting it sting too much. I've made both decisions, to protect someone other than my little sis, and later, realizing my mistakes in the past, siding with her and working out the issue. I think this is honestly the first time Yang has had that conflict of interest, and she's doing what most do and protecting the wrong person, and not comforting her sister.
Guys let's not lie, this whole scene was satisfying af
Honestly, not to me. Mostly because it felt contrived in a particular way, and the person who deserved the most scorn didn't get anything. It's saddening to think Ruby didn't lash out at Yang the most because of some lingering one-sided love for her.
@@GSballreborn how does Yang deserve the most scrutiny?
@@GSballreborn I mean, Yang is the only one who tried to talk with her during volume 8, you know the "risk" speech.
@@GSballreborn I dunno, I think that "I'm so happy for you" was mostly directed at Yang. She did deserve more though.
It 100% was for me, Jaune screaming at Ruby about the plan failing felt cathartic as hell. Team RWBY was on something during volume 8. Even though it was a little hypocritical since he took part in the plan it just felt so good 😭😭
Why is everyone shocked Ruby is acting this way? Have they been blind this entire season?! Don't get me wrong, this is good development for Ruby. She was never a good leader. Shocker putting the youngest member as the leader wasn't a good idea in the long run. That and Ruby's only mentor was her drunk uncle and unresolved trauma from losing her mum. Jaune was right to call her out on that. Their plan was awful and lead to another kingdom being destroyed which caused Penny's death and Weiss to lose her home.
Edit: Yes, Ruby was best suited to be the leader in volume 1. Yang was too hot-headed, Blake was a loner and Weiss was too busy being the posh mean stereotype. But, Weiss was right in debating if Ruby should be the leader and Ruby herself didn't want it. No one gave her training either. Not a single teacher or older student pulled Ruby to the side to give her individual training, instead she was just thrown into the deep end. Plus she was only 14 through volume 1 to 3 and by now in volume 9 she's only 16, and her leadership skills are still poor.
They've been too caught up with their own thoughts. Unfortunately, that's been a running theme for years, which is why Ruby finally popped off. It was going to happen sooner or later and I think her trauma flashbacks accompanied with the fact that she's being blamed for the village's destruction just pushed her over the edge.
Tbf the plan wasn't bad. It was the best take they had. If ti wasn't for Cinder and Ironwood they would succeed.
@@venomm4563 They should have trusted Ironwood over Emerald, even if she found a redemption. Its long to explain but there's plenty of good videos that go into detail in why the team distrusting Ironwood was on them. I know the crew were probably told by Monty before he passed that Ironwood would betray them but not told how. Their how was stupid...
The reason we don’t see this as an issue is simple:
“…Teammates first, and ourselves second.” ~Ruby Rose, Volume 1.
I saw the depression and pain she was going through since the start and I knew it was only a matter of time until she snapped. The moment in the intro when team RWBY was walking and running faster while Ruby was walking slower seemed like a dead giveaway, let's not forget that she was the only one who gave in to the Herbalist's visions.
After re-watching scenes from this and other episodes and a youtuber's topic on her breakdown, that "shut up, don't do that" has more meaning. Blake has been unintentionally brushing off Ruby's feelings and changing the topic. When Ruby was upset and was trying to speak up when Yang asked what's wrong after cat brought up Atlas, Blake said they have other things to worry and shouldn't talk about home. But when Jaune was showing signs of issues, she was ok with putting their problems aside to help Jaune and Ruby looked pissed the whole time at the table. (This isn't to down play Jaune's trauma because it's a serious problem as well). She told Blake to shut up because she was going to do it again or try to make things positive. It didn't help that when they were in the ponderstorm, the important thing that was bothering Yang and Blake was getting THEIR feelings out and when they comfort Jaune after the village flooded, which is why she said all that stuff to her friends. Ruby saw that their feelings were more important and when she wants to say something, looks obvious depressed, or Yang barely trys to talk to her, getting home is more important. She's been holding her feelings since the 2nd episode. No one was noticing nor reading her behavior and wasn't comforting her. Yang was trying but keeps getting interrupted then forgets about Ruby. Ruby comforts Weiss after the attack at the market and Weiss expected Ruby to cheer up Jaune. She was sick of that and is why she said "why do I have to be the one to pick people up. What about me." When Jaune blamed her for everything, that hurt her but she also hurt Jaune. The youtuber said she was hurt because it was Jaune of all people to say it and I believe that plus her believing that was true. She break down before in volume 8 when her plan failed. People may call her selfish but her mindset isn't in the right place. In her mind she thinks no one cares and she isn't getting any emotional support.
I agree to all(what a read😉👍), Ruby said shut up to Blake cuz she was really done with empty optimism that get them to this point inculuding herself. She does need to vent and get things out of her chest than given hope. Ruby saw everytime things were more important than herself such as Blake saying they should focus on getting them taller or getting home(cant remember her exact words), then at pappervillage she saying Jaune needs their help more than getting home plus he is best one to lead at hand rn him being there long(that brings us also Ruby thinking her emotions doesnt matter as much as his and she isnt needed anymore even though its not really the case), also we have ponderstorm which thought BB issue was more important (not saying to belittle ship, storm could make Ruby face her own issues rather than theirs) etc.
Maybe I said same things as yours but I trully think they should have talk things or let her (and themselves) grieve for Penny when she woke up after passing out instead of trying to get on the road immediately. Not to mention they were awake most of time if not none at all since end of v7. Maybe her lashing out wouldnt be as destructive as much, its just mine wishful thinking tho.
yup. people who get mad at Ruby for it have the emotional understanding of a used tampon. they obviously have never struggled with depression on the level Ruby is currently. also something that is scaring me: recall the poem from which Ruby's mom gets her name ?
‘Tis the last rose of Summer,
Left blooming alone;
All her lovely companions
Are faded and gone;
No flower of her kindred,
No rose-bud is nigh,
To reflect back her blushes
Or give sigh for sigh!
I’ll not leave thee, thou lone one,
To pine on the stem;
Since the lovely are sleeping,
Go sleep thou with them.
Thus kindly I scatter
Thy leaves o’er the bed
Where thy mates of the garden
Lie scentless and dead.
So soon may I follow,
When friendships decay,
And from Love’s shining circle
The gems drop away!
When true hearts lie withered,
And fond ones are flown,
Oh! who would inhabit
This bleak world alone?
now there are some disturbing parallels that work just as well for Ruby as her mother in the last part.
"so soon my I follow WITH FRIENDSHIPS DECAY and from Loves shining circle THE GEM Falls away"
when TRUE HEARTS LIE WITHERED and fond ones are flown oh who would in habit this BLEAK World ALONE?
THE POEM ISN'T JUST ABOUT SUMMER BUT ALSO HER DAUGHTER THE LITERAL LAST ROSE OF SUMMER!
RUBY IS IN DANGER DAMMIT! THE EVER AFTER IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST PLACE TO LOSE SENSE OF SELF AND THA'TS WHAT SHE IS STRUGGLING WITH SHE QUESTIONS HER VERY EXISTENCE SHE DEFINED HERSELF BY STORIES OF HER MOTHER OF BEING A HUNTRESS NOW SHE CAN'T EVEN TOUCH HER BELOVED CRESCENT ROSE. AND NOBODY FUCKING NOTICES!!!
ANSD SHE RUBY(a gem) JUST SURE AS HELL FLEW (fell) AWAY!
@@mizel.i You worded that better than I did.
@@ranjira7893 I forgot about that poem
@@ranjira7893 ohh I didnt know about this poem at all and not to mention crwby saying its *start* of her breakdown OH GURL🥺🫠
Volume 1 Weiss would have probably laughed at Ruby and tell her she knew she wasn’t fit to be a leader. I guess it’s time for Weiss to see if she can be the best partner she could be for her friend.
I don’t think V1 Weiss was that horrible of a person
The way Weiss act around Ruby is really hollow in this volume i hope they have a talk, just them both, because right now, their partnership is really bad. I don't want Ruby to talk to everyone and be happy again, i really want them to put some light on these two
@@sumanaiii4552 Nooooo she was. Like she was a " c u n t " with a capital C
Weiss has a lot to deal with. Then again with no Grimm the people can finally air things out and not bottle it in.
Seriously, the Grimm are messed up. The Brothers of Light and Shadow plus Salem have ensured emotional repression for generations and it's high time Rooster Teeth addressed that
I actually can't believe that Ruby had the balls to call out Bumblebee, that freaking cracked me up. I thought they would just skip over that with Ruby's outburst but man I was pleasantly surprised
Very cathartic... they were too busy in lala land. Yang barely interacts with her sister anymore
Ruby spitting facts on bumblebee on this episode my reaction was like how the ending showing red from final fantasy saying holy $#*% being honest yang has not been a good sister to ruby since coming back
Your all heartless
@@pablovalle2393 say 👏🏼it 👏🏼again 👏🏼 finally someone understands, I’m glad she called them out like bitch be for real! And the part that pissed me off the most Yang protecting Blake like bro she not throwing hands she’s having a mental breakdown, yang hasn’t been there for ruby and it shows and she didn’t even go after her, none of her friends went to go after her wtf! I like how jaun is the only one that actually feels what she feels and yell back but wby is just in lala land like omg did she just say that! Next episode is going to be interesting
Yang hasn’t been a sister throughout the past seasons. Idk why she was protecting Blake when she could’ve been helping her sister
The tale of two leaders. One runs away from responsibility and the other takes in all the responsibility
Didn't Pyrah say something like that in Volume 3?
One breaks under responsibility thrust upon them, the other takes responsibility for everything onto themselves and breaks.
One who was gifted and one who had to work hard to get where he is
@@jcoolguy1548 Ruby didn't have to work hard?
@@olserknam yeah she did but she was already at a different level from Jaune when they first met. She was gifted. She had silver eyes, a semblance, and was already skilled at fighting (due to training with Qrow and Yang). So she was already experienced by the time she met Jaune. Jaune wasn't really experienced back then, but he did come from a long line of heroes, so that's something. I guess you can say Ruby was already combat ready? I'll stop
I like that throughout this scene Weiss seems to be the best at paying attention to Ruby's emotional cues. Although she may not know what to say, she seems to have a closer emotional connection.
Because Weiss has been on the receiving end of a similar meltdown before so she knows what to look for, whereas the others don't
I'm glad that Ruby's doing a Ned Flanders and going off on everyone. She needs to vent out all the stress happening ever since BEACON, not Atlas. Same goes for Jaune. I imagined being alone with all the trauma and with no one to talk about it drove him over the edge a few times.
Also, Yang, I know you love Blake and all, but for crying out loud, don't be confrontational when your SISTER is having an honest-to-god mental breakdown.
To be fair, Yang's trying to keep Ruby from getting MORE violent and confrontational by putting herself betwen Blake and Ruby.
@@Bakuganluver23 THIS! Exacly like everyones bitching about Yangs reaction....what would have been better there? You can't comfort or calm down someone who just need to vent so all Yang could do was damage control
Ruby calling out Bumbleby and Jaune calling out Ruby was so satisfying and well-deserved. Don't @ me.
Nah, I don't think anyone needs to
Literally Ruby and Jaune are my only favorite characters now, FUCK the rest 😂😂🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@dankbudew4830 whatever dude.
yea,calling out crappy bumbble bee got me too lol
Did you noticed yang defended Blake? I am sick of this relationship already after 1 chapter of being official
Y’know, this scene kinda highlighted the problem I’ve had with Blake and Yang for a long time. All of their character writing has been about each other for ages. Yang is hardly a sister to Ruby at all. Jaune has grown on me over time and Weiss is honestly the only person on team RWBY who’s still actually a friend to Ruby, but Blake and Yang just suck now. Ruby, however, has become a genuinely great protagonist this volume
*"You protect them, but who will protect you?'* - Pitch Black
*"The people on this City. But the one thing they love more than a Hero is to see a hero fail, fall die trying. Insight of everything you have done for them, eventually they will hate you"* - Green Goblin
*"Wake up to reality, nothing ever goes as planned"* - Madara
Yep
My man 🔥
Pitch ain't THAT good of a memorable villain to be there. His story's hero was Jack Fangirlssimpfor Frost.
The green goblin quote really doesn't apply here.
That last one hit hard
Jaune was speaking the most facts tbh.
Edit: it was ONE SENTENCE, how did 171 comments come from ONE SENTENCE TF-
Ruby wasn't wrong either. She's had to step up the most when she's just a kid (I mean, the other girls are kids too, but she's still the youngest). Meanwhile, nobody has bothered to even try and give a shit about how SHE'S doing for a couple volumes now. They're both right.
@Julian “Jules” R It was for the best anyway. Ironwood was already losing his mind.
Mantle was going to die if they hadn’t done what they did, more lives were going to be taken if they hadn’t taken the relic. Salem wasn’t going to stop until she got what she wanted. At least this way they saved both cities, as for Neo hating ruby, what happened to Roman was an accident and it wasn’t rubys fault but Neo wanted someone to blame.
@@venomm4563 The lie only made things worse though. Like, it was the final catalyst for Ironwood doing what he did.
Granted, we have no way of knowing the other "what if" scenario, but still, the lie did contribute on the plan failing. Hard.
@@bluestorm5720didn't save both cities both are destroyed many people died they taken the relic's is only going to make Salem come after them harder
Honestly for rwby standards this scene is really good jaune telling ruby her plan was stupid was peak you could tell she couldn't disagree but was still angry ruby getting on yang and Blake makes sense they're trapped in a fake world and in war rn with Salem not the time to be macing up with your crush and the scene at end where ruby said shut up is beautiful ruby can't be hopeful then she the main one barring all the weight of team and world with her team being mostly unhelpful
Her plan wasn't stupid though, the only thing that made it fail was mostly that the portals were one way so no one could come back to help them. And what I'm seeing everyone fail to point out is that NO ONE ELSE HAD ANY BETTER PLAN OR ANOTHER PLAN AT ALL. Ruby had all this pressure on her, and no one gave a shit about her. Especially for Ruby just being 17 years old and the second youngest in the whole group, I think her plan was genius. She didn't prevent the cities from being destroyed, but she saved the very large majority of the population who would've otherwise died.
Plan seemingly worked it just had unknown factors that were unpredictable.
In defense of Ruby's plan: It was actually a good plan.
The only reason it fell apart, was because Cinder learned of it via Jinn.
And honestly? Given the situation that was occurring in Volume 8, they were frankly out of options. Mantle was about to be bombed, Atlas' defenses were stretched to their breaking point and it was a matter of time before Salem would reform and take direct action to retrieve the Staff of Creation.
In the end, while the staff and lamp were lost, the plan still fulfilled it's main objective: Saving the people of Atlas and Mantle. Even though we don't know the situation in Remnant right now, we do know this: Winter is protecting the refugees and now the entire world knows Salem exists.
@@pie5885 they dumbed ironwood down horrendously. He was the adult with experience, the military and the resolve to do what needed to be done. Had the girls been honest and not gone behind his back leaking his plans, they probably would have had a better chance at surviving Salem's attack.
The irony of Jaune’s words is he’s exactly like Ironwood (fabulous beard and all) and that he was trying to control everything in the Paper People’s village even against their personal desires AND it still didn’t save them from destruction. Ruby was not the catalyst, she was the gasoline that fueled Neo… which with her power now becoming a mirror of Salem’s Grimm. It’s only a matter of time we see what the endgame of RWBY looks like by the end of this arc.
I like the symbolism at 2:33, how it's supposed to show that everything that's happened to Jaune can't just be "water under the bridge".
wdym
Ruby's meltdown has been building up for many episodes now.
So has Jaune’s.
@@calvinfujii5921 They are both suffering so much.
It's been building for 6 whole volumes, she was always the reliable and optimistic leader but she has held her feelings in for so long that it has broken her
Make that SEASONS. Poor girl got "Harry being groomed like a meatsack to die by Dumbledore"d so hard that she felt like she CANT ever be the unhappy, unhopeful one, otherwise she'd be letting down EVERYONE, and that includes good ol' Ozpin who got her enrolled in Beacon to begin with + was a really dear mentor figure to her.
The girl deserve to finally be *human* for once. I argue that the reason people say she's bland and uninteresting is because a) The story switches character focus a lot, so not that much time developing her specifically
and b) The poor girl's development is slow and steady as hell, and its all centered around her stress, build up and then explosion. I'd say its a subversion of the Chosen One idea. Like, with the silver eyes and leader role and whatnot, she was clearly being pushed as a quasi-chosen one, despite mentally not being ready for it yet, and people kept trying to push her to be one so fast so soon and expecting her to BE a perfect protagonist with all these traits just left her a confused, scared, angry and quite honestly, *directionless* girl who tries her best to not fuck up in the situation
Fun fact: people under stress and massive expectations can fuck up ROYALLY if nobody else lend a shoulder to share the burden. Or like, try and offer any new ideas. Or *go behind everybody's back and told state secrets before it was cleared*
@@namkha209 Add in that Ruby might feel subconsciously betrayed by Weiss, for her "Greatest Teammate" promise, but this entire volume it is like there was not even a second glance at her partner. (Something that might hit Weiss next ep, I hope.)
I...did not expect that ending 😂
my thoughts exactly
Same
Holy shit indeed talking dog
uh... final fantasy victory theme????😅
Me too😂
Glad Jaune is finally standing up to the rest of the team and expressing himself instead of being pushed to the sidelines.
But damn was not expecting a mental breakdown from being alone for years to be the cause of it.
It'd be no surprise if he somehow got a volleyball and named it Pyrrha...oh wait...o.o
@@GhostChild808 One of the Paper Pleasers was named Pyrrha according to his schedule
@@GhostChild808 WILSOOON
Alone for years after killling Penny, being betrayed and thinking he let a kid die.
@@unlimitedquickworks7387 the name's boit, dumbass! XD (family guy reference)
Personally, I'm at the point where I actually FORGOT that Ruby and Yang were sisters. That's because Ruby and Yang haven't had much interaction in ages. No, i don't count the moment they spent talking about The Hound.
They've been together since Vol 6 and yet it takes two more volumes for the two to interact in a sisterly way and in the following volume she doesn't even try and console her sister despite all thats happened
Lots of people seem to forget ruby is only like 16 and less put together as many teens are. She still needs her sister but clearly Yang isn't seemingly interested in being that anymore.
Its heartbreaking tbh
@@kai_824Yang had also been forced to raise Ruby effectively by herself, so you can't blame her for wanting to step away from that
Jaune's VA killed it in the scene
He's better as a voice actor than a writer.
Ruby hits puberty and all the trauma finally kicking innnnn wow
Not puberty. She's 16. At best it's just teen angst, but after all the shit she's been through, it was all a matter of time her can-do attitude would snap.
Aren't they all in the middle of puberty right now? Aside from Jaune anyway.
@@FabschOblivion669 she is seventeen,
@@FabschOblivion669 She is 17. Everyone else is 19 except for Jaune.
I thought ruby was over 20 by now. Wasn’t there a 5 year gap between volume 3 and 4
I wanted Jaune to go more hard at the end of the episode. He has spent decades trapped in the Ever After away from his home and everyone he knows and loves. Jaune’s situation is so painful so him exploding and expressing his pain and anguish of being stranded all alone would have been impactful. I was thinking of Jaune maybe saying something like:
_“I waited so many years for you! Do you understand how lonely and how painful it is to be trapped here for so long? Ren, Nora, Oscar, my family! Do you understand how many years I spent missing them? Missing you! Do you know how many nights I spent crying myself to sleep because of how much I wanted to see them? I’m sorry I couldn’t find a way back home after all this time! I really am! But did you not consider that, if I did find a way back home, I would have chosen to stay here waiting for you just to tell you and help all of you get back with me? That I had no choice but to stay here for you!”_
He was 19 at the end of volume 8, when Alyx lands on the ever after he had already a bard and long hair he should have been waited at least 2 years, plus since “the girls who felt through the world” (Alyx’s fairy tale) is everyone’s child story it should be older than the protagonist, at least 17 years.
With all that Jaune must have been trapped there around 19 years which would make him a 38 year old grown man
Just speculating
@@victordominguez3363 He's more than 38 he has white hairs.
He also names the paper ppl after his irl friends.
His statement about he being able to protect them this time. Yet never heard one of them named Pyra
@@lilbladeknight On the To do list once says "help Pyrrha with her homework."
@@Tindog42656 People start to get white/grey hair at around 30.
I swear. Miles did an amazing job with Jaune's delivery here.
The best job he's done with anything since the Chorus Trilogy
Ruby's dream was to be a huntress, somebody that can protect the innocent, someone that can bad people from causing, it's not only her choices that effect everyone, everybody played a part, Juaune also, they both became leaders at such crucial moments, only for there hopes to get crush, while Ruby was trying to keep gang together from falling apart, lionheart's betrayal, ozpins dirty secret, Ironwood and there new friends choices, Penny and pyhra death, learning about the world they live, I don't blame her for snapping, Jaune too, they've been through a lot, and now it's time for her to figure out what she has to do and if she's ready to face what comes next all of them
Blake told her I volume 1 it's not like a fairytale in the books she was right.
@@AdmiralRamirez7 all true but remember they were all kids before the fall of beacon, Ruby is like every child, they want to trust that there's no bad people take emerald, once enemies now allies, aside from that she's also a silver eye, the only way to activate that power is by experience love and lost, remember how she panic when Salem mention her mother, overwhelmed, it's hard to grow up, let alone experience such things as a child no less, that the only way to grow is by experiencing it
After all this time she snapped and traumatized, can't even pick up crescent rose without thinking of Penny, cinder, especially Salem and her involvement, like with the Grimm, created by a silver eye man body, I thought she succeeded in making Grimm intelligent but all was just experiment
Too bad while her snapping is understandable, she only comes up as a hypocrite
Remember what she said to Jaune in vol 1?
"You're not allowed to be a failure" "Because It's not about you anymore", "If we fail, then we'll be bringing them down with us"
Yang made it clear in Atlas that they ALL will rely on Rubys decisions...They made her their leader
I hate how every time Yang notices Ruby's upset and she tries to ask her about it, SOMETHING always happens and she never gets to finish her damn question😭
Because normally at that point it’s too late. Like “dude, your sister has been going through some shit”, but NOW is the only time you notice?
It’s definitely frustrating
@@JickAudioYou have to remember that Yang has been dealing with her own depression and PTSD for most of the series, so of course she isn't going to be as perceptive of those things. Especially since Ruby doesn't let anyone help, Yang tried several times and got completely ignored
@@pokeyscorpion8224 but it’s been since S1. Pulling off the cool sister trope, kinda like the Carmen/Juni relationship in Spy Kids. She doesn’t bully Ruby though, just kinda leaves her hanging most of the time. Which is why she still feels guilty about that one time during their childhood. It’s a continuous issue. Ruby is just used to Yang kinda not “being there”.
@@JickAudio It's kinda the exact opposite. Yang had been very overprotective of Ruby, so Ruby doesn't know how to respond when Yang starts stepping back.
Also that's not why Yang feels guilty about that one time in their childhood, she feels guilty because she almost got Ruby killed, which in turn led to Yang being rather overprotective
Why does it feel sad that when Ruby was having a mental breakdown, you clearly see Yang was just focusing on protecting Blake. You can see it she goes in front with her arm out like some guard?
My guy, that’s your sister, that’s your little sister who is having a crisis. Why are you focusing on your girlfriend that you JUST started the relationship with???
Quite. Even after they landed in the Ever After and the rest of the team started reflecting on their failures, all Yang has done is get defensive, deflect blame and shirk off their part in the damage, instead of take a look at herself. At this point, Watts would probably have as much of a field day tearing her apart as he did with Cinder on the rooftop.
It just slowly looks like there just not sisters anymore.
That's because people forces the authors to make bumblebee canon.
Volumes 1-3 Yang was a protective big sister for the rest of the group, after that she slowly became the lesbian tomboy who only care about her crush fans wanted her to be.
@@GloomyMime i dont think it has to specifically do with that ship. Yang could still be protective and with blake. I think the writers just have some difficulty with writing siblings at this point.
@@kroket_101 after the Atlas arc, I think the authors have difficulty with writhing IN GENERAL, I don't know how they can made such a good scene like the one in this episode.
"Oh good for you carpet eater" jeez Ruby I don't think you'd have to go that far
"Enjoy your 44% domestic violence rate!"
The sad thing is, that meme is the best thing to come out of the show in years
It was a different time
Where is that from?
Damn. The voice actor for Jaune? Killing it. Jaune has been one of my favorite characters since the beginning. This just solidified him as my favourite.
Miles Luna really deserved an award for his voice acting in this whole scene
Definitely brought his A game this Volume. Not that he's bad in the previous volumes, he does good. But especially this Volume with his older voice.
this was the 1st conflict between team members that actually felt real. All the previous ones felt forced
Let's take a moment to appreciate that Ruby's meltdown has been building not just since Atlas...but since the Vytal Festival in Volume 3. This was a long time coming.
the payoff is satisfying ngl
Can you really blame her? Ruby wasn’t there for Yang when her arm was chopped off, she watched Pyrrha die before her very eyes and she failed to save Penny twice.
@@tedgruver7618 Not at all. Personally, I think it's excellent storytelling. PTSD doesn't need to show up immediately...it can take time to build, and Ruby's been through more than enough for it to develop.
The way Lindsay delivered "I'm sorry, IS THIS A BAD TIME?" Is the reason she is and always will be Mother❤
this actually was insane. this episode was literally that an entire species creates a suicide cult, then ruby and jaune basically both have mental breakdowns. it was so well done as well. but holy fuck this was insane.
After all Ruby has been through, it’s understandable why she had to let out her anger; none of her buddies know she’s going through depression, she’s losing her heroic spark, she’s lost half of her friends, and she's now scared of her enemies. And as for Jaune’s reasons for letting out his anger, is even worse; he killed Penny (even though he didn’t want to), he’s had no one to talk to in years, and now he’s lost his favorite village of paper. I hope everything turns out good in the end😢
If anyone said that Ruby’s and Jaune’s trauma are “easy-to-fix/get-over with”, buddy you’re getting a hard slap on the head.
Well at least Ruby's can be fixed.
Jaune... the bigger concern is how long the problem lasted for him, 2 years? Manageable, gives a trauma for life but theres a lot of good things in life to help recover, decades? Yea its going to be harder
@@Freedmoon44Both Ruby snd Jaune have dealt with their respective trauma for the same amount of time
1:36 that was such a low blow especially right after losing all of them.
People get really hurtful and out of line when they're lashing out, whether or not they mean it. She wasn't right to say it, but she can apologize for it later when she's in a more stable state of mind. Same with how she acted toward Blake and Yang- she probably is genuinely happy for them deep down, but GOD is it a bad time when she's going through so much.
@@neonal18 oh I know and agree, cause I’ve done it and have been hit by it too, my thing is she said it pretty much right after he lost them.. (also doesn’t help he named them after all his friends), I do hope they apologize to each other and hug it out.
@@NK-ew9ym Oh yeah, she did really go off at a bad time, as she sarcastically commented about. Only problem is she’s had no other time to really let it all out. Even in this episode, when she’s about to go off about their situation, that one Paper Pleaser comes up and infodumps about how they want to ascend but Jaune won’t let them. She wasn’t wrong in her assessment. “No time, right? Gotta get home! Gotta help Jaune!” It’s just unfortunate that it boiled over like this. I really want them to work it all out too, and maybe even call back and add to Monty’s words: we all need to keep moving forward, but it’s okay to stop and get our emotions straight.
@@neonal18 agreed, they’ve got me intrigued on how things will go now.
Tbf Jaune clapped back hard af, he’s a chad
If you think about it, both Jaun and Ruby made valid points. On one hand you want to side with Ruby but on the other hand you want to side with Jaun.
Why not both?
@@GamerXZ0u can't tie a knot on both ends of a rope if it isn't long enough
Bro, I’m literally on neither sides. All I see is two teenagers who needs therapy and are shouting out hurtful but also true things because they can’t take it anymore. Who cares who’s right and who’s wrong? Pointing fingers only add fuel to people’s suffering.
You can be Team Ruby or Team Jaune but I’m Team Give Them Therapy
@@crimsonline3440 jaunes not a teenager he’s a broken man with out an identity
@@ethansolorzano5989 Doesn’t change the fact he needs therapy
When you think about it Jaune has been in this world for like 20-30 years which means that he's known these "Make believe friends" longer than the friends he's known before ever after. But these were still living creatures so that's pretty messed up for Ruby to say that.
Although I'm still glad they touched these problems with all the drama that's been going on. Being optimistic can only go so far.
That's true, Ruby's words are harsh. Tho let's not forget that Jaune literally stated the paper pleaser are 'too stupid' and that 'they need him'-- establishing he kept them for his own sanity and selfishness to be a 'make believe hero' and cope with loneliness. He decided himself what paper pleasers should do, when the creatures themselves are symbolic of acceptance and moving forward for him-- Hence, their long for 'ascension' to the Tree.
I think Ruby meant is to stop mourning the creatures as props for Jaune to make himself feel better. Though I just wished she addressed it properly, but of course, with her mental state, she couldn't.
Team RWBY always has this mentality that "All's Well That Ends Well".
This is a dangerous way of thinking, because they will convince themselves that the destination matters more than the journey.
The consequences don't matter. The Heroes save the day.
Anyone who disagrees is a jerk or worse a villain (Ironwood).
Any criticism will be brushed aside.
"What good is saving anybody if Salem just destroys the world anyway?" Ruby thinking about their failure and the lives ruined.
"That's how Ironwood thought, you don't mean that." Yang brushing away any introspective thoughts.
It is like a Hive Mentality, they reinforce each others beliefs while getting rid of anything they don't like.
My thoughts exactly, they got away with this way of thinking way too many time. It's only matter of time untill they have to face the consequences of the time they actually in the wrong.
Never thought I will see this scene from RWBY, but the welcome surprise one nonetheless.
Quite. It is SO good to see that the writers have learned their lesson from Volumes 4-8 and are now implementing it effectively here! :)
I know I'm gonna get a lot of flack for this, but...
Yang's relationship with Blake has made her a worse person. Her first Instinct was to protect Blake and not her own God damn little sister, who has been desperately needing her support. Not only is she choosing to protect Blake, but to also glare down Ruby. And this while Jaune is also dealing with his own anguish as well, and she still chooses being in La La Land where she can pretend that everything is all warm and cozy.
I will not respond to any comments.
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The “ i will not respond…” just makes you look pathetic chief, first bit of scrutiny and you fall to pieces
@oneone99able nah people in the Fandom are just rude most of the time for opinions but it is what it is I guess
@@UnlimitedIvory why share an opinion if you aren’t open to discussing it?
How self important does one have to be to think they are gracing others with their thoughts
Either you are open to discussion or you just love the idea of others seeing your opinion that’s it
@oneone99able meh I can't really answer that since I never had an issue with it myself, but some people just like putting their thoughts out there without having to talk to people.
I think Weiss is going to be the one that rebuilds the bridge to both of them. Blake look terrified of Ruby during her breakdown and in that same breakdown tried to sweep it under the rug by saying “I know everything seems bad now…” (I don’t begrudge her for this though. They’re in a bad situation that they DO need to focus on getting out of). And Yang looked like she was about ready to throw down with Ruby.
Weiss got to be on the receiving end of Ruby’s outburst as well. And watched Jaune verbally rip into HER teammate. And yet she showed both of them patience, compassion, and understanding. Even when she called out Jaune, there was no anger in her voice. Simply concern and worry.
Did Weiss fuck up in the market by giving Ruby grief for looking out of sorts? She did. But I think, with this scene, it’s clear she’s going to be the one that’ll bring both of them back from the brink.
Well, Ruby at least. I can’t tell if Jaune’s too far gone.
As someone who's pissed off at Ruby's multiple fckups during the Atlas arc, this scene is cathartic in a way.
Judgmental Critter would have a field day with this.
Do you have the same attitude for Ironwood's fuckups considering he shat the bed sooooo many times.
@@jamman9569 His ''fuckups'' are minimal considering dude was just trying to save his people, only to end up losing the whole fucking kingdom alongside with the already fucked up Mantle down there.
Yeah
@@jamman9569 silence comment troller
Damn, usually when Jaune gets angry everyone starts yelling at him
Just thinking about my boy Jaune
Volume 2 he’s constantly rejected
Volume 3 the girl who love him is killed
Volume 4 he was clearly depressed
Volume 5 he was ready to die
Volume 6 he was ready to kill
Volume 7 finally having fun again
Volume 8 his best friend hit him below the belt and then he’s forced to do an unspeakable act.
And then at this point of volume 9 he had been waiting for his friends for years by hisself. Now the one place where he was actually able to be the hero he always dreamed of he’s failed again. This was gonna happen eventually.
wdym
People can only take so much before breaking, and Ruby and Jaune exemplify this perfectly
When Ruby told Blake to shut up my jaw genuinely hit the floor
The best episode in years. Tell me I'm wrong.
its funni AI person omg
Agreed
It's good for character development, but not exactly the "best" episode.
@@gokuandmario4ever True. But if you analyze the entire series, you shall find that its written like true poetry
You aren't wrong, I haven't been this satisfied since volume 3.
"I don't know if you've ever let someone down, got your ass kicked or straight up failed, but those are the moments that define us. They push you further than you've ever thought possible, and force you to make choices... no matter what the cost."
- Cole MacGrath, inFAMOUS 2
Ruby finally get to say her true feeling, one she's been holding on too.
It's like Steven Universe Future. The optimistic protagonist shows their vulnerable side.😢
I’m sorry but hearing Jaune give the same scream he gave after killing Penny to these little paper things is just stupidly heartbreaking.
lets be honest here, it was practically a given that jaune and ruby were gonna have a mental breakdown, both are leaders who have so far watched most of their plans either fall apart, or watched others die because they couldnt save them
With jaune having blood on his hands as well.
@@nobody-xh6ii he’s the only one with innocent blood on his hands, sad.
Blake means well but she doesn’t know that every single time Ruby’s had a problem Blake’s unconsciously brushed it off to the side. It’s a symptom of Blake’s chronic avoid-confrontation-itis that still persists even after she came back to the group.
Ruby telling her to shut up was so satisfying.
Blake hasn't brushed Ruby off at all, Ruby has brushed herself off
This was so good but so sad. All Volume the other characters had been ignoring Ruby's obvious depression and it finally hit a boiling point. That venting was a long time coming, and Jaune himself has probably had that in his gut for years now.
Poor Ruby and Jaune.