Quick question, are you running out of the TonexOne into an audio interface for this video? I just got the pedal and my tones are not nearly as good as the ones I'm hearing on yours and other RUclipsr's videos.
When you say that you leave the input trim alone when it's set appropriately, do you mean that's irrespective of the tone models you're using, but assuming that your input signal chain remains fairly constant, i.e. same guitar, same real pedals prior to hitting the front end of the tone model?
Is the input trim response the same as the Tonex and the Tonex one? Could you replicate the test you did with the Tonex one and see if the headroom response is the same? (-3db) EDIT: So, I did a similar test to what you did, and it seems that there indeed a 3db difference between the Tonex One and the Tonex Software. However, the difference seems to be coming from not the input trim, but the gain/volume knob. Dropping the input gain like you said created a different sound, (I tested with 440 hz). Rather dropping the big gain knob (on the fader) seemed to produce identical results. Now..I haven't checked if it was the master volume or gain..I'll need to recheck.
thanks for the vid. I was going to use a boost pedal before the tonex one when it arrives but this probabaly would be a no no? As it would just clip the input of the tonex one. I was hoping i could just use it like i use the boost on the front end of a traditional tube amp for solos.
correct - you can boost, but only to a point. I think there is merit to creating captures with enough headroom to allow for appropriate boosting to slam the front end of an amp model like in the analog domain.
@@ProGoTones It is in the analog domain. The input on the Tonex is analog. The signal then gets converted to digital going into the DSP, but the connection itself is analog.
Jason, quick question. I hope it doesn’t sound confusing. If I set the input trim in ToneX software, and then upload that to the ToneX One, does it save that setting? Additionally, if I were to adjust the input trim on the pedal, would it increase the place where it was set in the software, or would it override the input amount according to where the knob is set on the pedal? In other words, if I set it at 7.5 on the software, upload to pedal, and then turn it up all the way on the pedal, is it now 15 plus 7.5, or does it just automatically adjust to where the knob is set?
There is no real way to set "Input Trim" in the software. We can adjust our audio interface instrument in level or adjust the input slider in the software but non of those will be transferred to the pedal. If you were to adjust the Gain control of the tone model and save that to a preset that would be equivalent to changing the Input Trim on a per preset basis. Hope that helps :-)
@@JasonSadites it does. Thanks for that. I think that’s part of what makes ToneX adjustment so confusing. If the gain and input trim are in essence the same thing, it seems redundant. For that matter, multiple redundancies as far as gain staging and output. Input trim, gain, channel volume and master output.
@@jasonthompson5140 Do you know what the difference is between gain and volume? If not, look into it and you'll understand why its done this way. But whatever you do, don't ask anyone to explain it. Almost no one has a complete understanding of gain and volume, so you'll get a partially correct explanation, at best.
THATS SO FUNNY! You started playing guitar with your Gibson Les Paul I laughed bc i was playing the exact same guitar as you do in the same moment as i was watching this video 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
I’m excited to try this! Is there still a way to adjust the depth? I find that makes quite a difference on the original Tonex. I love to keep my trim around 6.5 to give it some weight and punch 😊
Hey Kristen, you can't adjust the Depth on the Tonex One Pedal but you can make the adjustment on the software, save it as a preset and then load it onto the pedal with the appropriate Depth setting. Hope that helps :-)
@@JasonSadites Oh that works! Honestly I would love to just copy the settings I have my Tonex over to this if that’s possible. I’ll use the big ones for studio stuff and throw the little ones on my live rig if I need to go ampless sometimes.
I still set my input trim and leave it alone and then add whatever you want before. That is also why I don't crank my input trim to super high levels like some like to do.
Great explanations for a sim/model newbie like me, but ... Any tips for using this live? I carry a SansAmp/Cab M in case of amp failure, and am thinking of replacing with the Tonex ONE to save room in the gig bag, but whenever I stack gain pedals in front of the Tonex ONE I have to adjust the input to avoid horrible digital clipping. This will not work live. Any suggestions?
If you have your input trim set like I do you should be leaving enough headroom for most situations and shouldn't run into that problem. On Tonex One, I run my Input trim just a below the "noon" position, say maybe around 11 o'clock. Set that and leave it. And simply use the Gain knob to tweak if you need more or less Input gain after the fact. I hope that helps :-)
@@JasonSadites Thsnks! Great channel, btw, the most useful guitar channel i've found! Real advice instead of endlessly hawking $99 guitars from Temu that "sound better than Fender"
Locate every gain and volume control in your signal chain. If you're not sure, don't guess. Its important. Once you have that, this is what you need to know. Gain controls are always placed on the input of a component and volume controls are always on the output. Only gain can alter the signal. Too much and it will overdrive and distort. (The exception, of course, is the overdrive/distortion you want for your guitar tone. You want to prevent the same thing from happening in anywhere else in your signal chain.) A volume control can't harm or alter the signal in any way. What you need to do is set all of your gain adjustments as low as possible. Set them where they need to be, but no more. Once your gain is set, just use volume controls to adjust how loud you need to be. It may take some trial and error, but keep in mind that you can only fix a gain issue with gain. Adjusting volume, or using something like a noise gate can't fix it. Also, once you have gain set correctly, and you start to red line when adjusting volume, its OK. You can have solid red bars and its perfectly fine so long as volume is causing it. You don't want too compromise your gain structure to fix volume red lining. You may have another issue as well. This only applies if you plug into something that's not yours, like a house PA system. You can have a balanced/ single ended conflict. The 2 modes of operation are not compatible. Your guitar setup is probably not balanced, but most pro level mixers are. This is a huge topic, and I would have to write a book to cover all the details. I'm just giving you the basics to illustrate the problem. A single ended signal requires a 2 conductor cable for signal transfer, and balanced signal requires 3. SE is + and -, balanced is +, + and -, or 2 hots and a ground. In order to connect these 2 components, steps need to be taken to deal with the extra signal. Quite often, when mixing components, one of the 2 signal (+) conductors on the balanced side gets shunted to ground. When that happens, you create a short circuit, and it sounds awful. In order to deal with this problem, you need to convert the SE signal from your guitar setup to balanced. You do this with a DI box. It takes your signal and balances it. You can plug a XLR, TRS cable to the output of the DI box. Now you have a balanced connection on both ends, and no more short circuit.
It is a Global setting so it is for all presets. If you want to change what would be equivalent to Input Trim on a per preset basis you would simply adjust the Gain control for the particular preset.
You could start by watching the in depth video I did on this rather than the obviously titled "Quick Tip" video: ruclips.net/video/AAL9AEWkoDM/видео.htmlsi=0l-4YhQmn8ut9whh
Baby, I came for the instructions but your playing laid me out! Tell Mr. TONEX, you made me buy one.
Thank you so much for the kind words and glad you enjoyed :-)
it solved my tone problem! Thank you!
My pleasure :-)
Thank you! Played a full gig clipping so I needed this lol
Lol 😅
Quick question, are you running out of the TonexOne into an audio interface for this video? I just got the pedal and my tones are not nearly as good as the ones I'm hearing on yours and other RUclipsr's videos.
I have the same problem
Just what I needed. Thanks!
When you say that you leave the input trim alone when it's set appropriately, do you mean that's irrespective of the tone models you're using, but assuming that your input signal chain remains fairly constant, i.e. same guitar, same real pedals prior to hitting the front end of the tone model?
Is the input trim response the same as the Tonex and the Tonex one? Could you replicate the test you did with the Tonex one and see if the headroom response is the same? (-3db)
EDIT: So, I did a similar test to what you did, and it seems that there indeed a 3db difference between the Tonex One and the Tonex Software. However, the difference seems to be coming from not the input trim, but the gain/volume knob. Dropping the input gain like you said created a different sound, (I tested with 440 hz). Rather dropping the big gain knob (on the fader) seemed to produce identical results. Now..I haven't checked if it was the master volume or gain..I'll need to recheck.
thanks for the vid. I was going to use a boost pedal before the tonex one when it arrives but this probabaly would be a no no? As it would just clip the input of the tonex one. I was hoping i could just use it like i use the boost on the front end of a traditional tube amp for solos.
correct - you can boost, but only to a point. I think there is merit to creating captures with enough headroom to allow for appropriate boosting to slam the front end of an amp model like in the analog domain.
@@ProGoTones thanks ::)
@@ProGoTones It is in the analog domain. The input on the Tonex is analog. The signal then gets converted to digital going into the DSP, but the connection itself is analog.
You can create 2 presets on the Tonex and switch between them with the foot pedal.
Jason, quick question. I hope it doesn’t sound confusing. If I set the input trim in ToneX software, and then upload that to the ToneX One, does it save that setting?
Additionally, if I were to adjust the input trim on the pedal, would it increase the place where it was set in the software, or would it override the input amount according to where the knob is set on the pedal?
In other words, if I set it at 7.5 on the software, upload to pedal, and then turn it up all the way on the pedal, is it now 15 plus 7.5, or does it just automatically adjust to where the knob is set?
There is no real way to set "Input Trim" in the software. We can adjust our audio interface instrument in level or adjust the input slider in the software but non of those will be transferred to the pedal. If you were to adjust the Gain control of the tone model and save that to a preset that would be equivalent to changing the Input Trim on a per preset basis. Hope that helps :-)
@@JasonSadites it does. Thanks for that.
I think that’s part of what makes ToneX adjustment so confusing. If the gain and input trim are in essence the same thing, it seems redundant.
For that matter, multiple redundancies as far as gain staging and output. Input trim, gain, channel volume and master output.
@@jasonthompson5140 Do you know what the difference is between gain and volume? If not, look into it and you'll understand why its done this way. But whatever you do, don't ask anyone to explain it. Almost no one has a complete understanding of gain and volume, so you'll get a partially correct explanation, at best.
@@052RCI can easily explain the difference. Volume boosts the final tone. Gain shapes the initial tone.
THATS SO FUNNY!
You started playing guitar with your Gibson Les Paul I laughed bc i was playing the exact same guitar as you do in the same moment as i was watching this video 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
@@leotiger8922 haha, nice! LOVE that guitar!
I’m excited to try this! Is there still a way to adjust the depth? I find that makes quite a difference on the original Tonex. I love to keep my trim around 6.5 to give it some weight and punch 😊
Hey Kristen, you can't adjust the Depth on the Tonex One Pedal but you can make the adjustment on the software, save it as a preset and then load it onto the pedal with the appropriate Depth setting. Hope that helps :-)
@@JasonSadites Oh that works! Honestly I would love to just copy the settings I have my Tonex over to this if that’s possible. I’ll use the big ones for studio stuff and throw the little ones on my live rig if I need to go ampless sometimes.
What if you want to use à booster or od pedal before ?
I still set my input trim and leave it alone and then add whatever you want before. That is also why I don't crank my input trim to super high levels like some like to do.
@@JasonSadites thanks for the tip
@nbimont my pleasure and hope it is helpful 🙂
I use a Radial JDI after the Tonex One and I think it reduces the output. Any knowledge on this?
Yeah that’s DI boxes are made for but the input trim doesn’t have any impact on that
Great explanations for a sim/model newbie like me, but ... Any tips for using this live? I carry a SansAmp/Cab M in case of amp failure, and am thinking of replacing with the Tonex ONE to save room in the gig bag, but whenever I stack gain pedals in front of the Tonex ONE I have to adjust the input to avoid horrible digital clipping. This will not work live. Any suggestions?
If you have your input trim set like I do you should be leaving enough headroom for most situations and shouldn't run into that problem. On Tonex One, I run my Input trim just a below the "noon" position, say maybe around 11 o'clock. Set that and leave it. And simply use the Gain knob to tweak if you need more or less Input gain after the fact. I hope that helps :-)
@@JasonSadites Thsnks! Great channel, btw, the most useful guitar channel i've found! Real advice instead of endlessly hawking $99 guitars from Temu that "sound better than Fender"
Locate every gain and volume control in your signal chain. If you're not sure, don't guess. Its important. Once you have that, this is what you need to know. Gain controls are always placed on the input of a component and volume controls are always on the output. Only gain can alter the signal. Too much and it will overdrive and distort. (The exception, of course, is the overdrive/distortion you want for your guitar tone. You want to prevent the same thing from happening in anywhere else in your signal chain.) A volume control can't harm or alter the signal in any way. What you need to do is set all of your gain adjustments as low as possible. Set them where they need to be, but no more. Once your gain is set, just use volume controls to adjust how loud you need to be. It may take some trial and error, but keep in mind that you can only fix a gain issue with gain. Adjusting volume, or using something like a noise gate can't fix it. Also, once you have gain set correctly, and you start to red line when adjusting volume, its OK. You can have solid red bars and its perfectly fine so long as volume is causing it. You don't want too compromise your gain structure to fix volume red lining.
You may have another issue as well. This only applies if you plug into something that's not yours, like a house PA system. You can have a balanced/ single ended conflict. The 2 modes of operation are not compatible. Your guitar setup is probably not balanced, but most pro level mixers are. This is a huge topic, and I would have to write a book to cover all the details. I'm just giving you the basics to illustrate the problem. A single ended signal requires a 2 conductor cable for signal transfer, and balanced signal requires 3. SE is + and -, balanced is +, + and -, or 2 hots and a ground. In order to connect these 2 components, steps need to be taken to deal with the extra signal. Quite often, when mixing components, one of the 2 signal (+) conductors on the balanced side gets shunted to ground. When that happens, you create a short circuit, and it sounds awful. In order to deal with this problem, you need to convert the SE signal from your guitar setup to balanced. You do this with a DI box. It takes your signal and balances it. You can plug a XLR, TRS cable to the output of the DI box. Now you have a balanced connection on both ends, and no more short circuit.
@@052RC Thanks! appreciate the input, lots to play with!
how do i stop the annoying DI sound when using the pedal and the app to create tones (it is fine in player mode)
You need to set your computer as output signal in tonex instead your tonex one
@@leandrocassese3915 Thanks brother it has been driving me nuts
will the changes happen universally or just on one particular preset?
It is a Global setting so it is for all presets. If you want to change what would be equivalent to Input Trim on a per preset basis you would simply adjust the Gain control for the particular preset.
Wait so does it stay at the trim input level you set when you change presets?
Yes, the Input Trim is a Global Setting.
So what did we learn? To set it to 12 and back it of to - 3 because that's where you like to have it? Why?
You could start by watching the in depth video I did on this rather than the obviously titled "Quick Tip" video: ruclips.net/video/AAL9AEWkoDM/видео.htmlsi=0l-4YhQmn8ut9whh
Maybe watch the video and quit whining
I want to hear something about Tonex for acoustic guitar. I don't like the sound of a solid body electric guitar.
You have much bigger issues.
Buy a condenser mic? This is an electric guitar amp modeller/profiler