Is Eli Manning a Hall of Famer?
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Eli Manning's retirement closes the door on one of the most fascinating and confusing quarterback careers in recent memory. As with any player who found considerable success in their career, the conversation has now shifted to whether or not Eli Manning is deserving of a spot in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and argument that has nearly split NFL fans evenly down the middle and likely will continue to do so for years to come. Each side of the aisle has a legitimate case to be made, so in this video I attempt to unpack the Great Eli Debate into the simplest terms possible.
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I just realized that the Manning brothers are the only reason Tom Brady doesn’t have 11 rings... (Edit) Holy hell the likes are crazy and so are the replies. (Edit 2) I’m getting a lot of replies that seem to not understand that I was making a joke for COMEDY. I know Joe Flacco and Nick Foles did it as well.
Eli stopped 2 but how did Peyton do it
Yeah, I guess
Andrew Y thank you Andrew.
TheWateryMan stopping him in championships
@@Matt-ec1lw Peyton Bested him 3 times in the AFC Championship
When you realize that Eli Manning and Odell went to the same high school
What?
@@talonshirley83 yeah, Isidore Newman School (New Orleans, LA)
Makes sense honestly, Archie Manning III did play for the saints for some time raising Cooper, Peyton, and Eli.
All the mannings go to the same school
Yeah but they didn't ever see each other
Eli's throw down the sideline to Mario Manningham is one of the greatest throws of all time.
Literally had no space for his feet and the ball was put right in his hands
Throws like that is the reason why he was drafted #1 overall, and Eli basically carried the Giants in 2011, they were 32nd in the nfl in rushing that year.
You misspelled "luckiest".
@@tomknapp6194 Rent free
@@danmcintee9037 The only things living in my head are facts. Facts that prove Eli was below average. What you have in your head is a world of fantasy in which Eli was better than average QBs. Which he wasn't even that. I'll take facts over delusion any day.
Every Eli stat has an asterisk beside it that says "without the aid of an offensive line."
Clive Doe say it loud for the fuckers in the back
Stats are stats man, look at Andrew luck's career. No offensive line but still put up numbers and played like a HOF
@@karma3035 and also only lasted 7 seasons and never went to a Superbowl
Jackson Pierre and never had a good team around him🤦♂️
King Landomidas you can’t retire early and then say oh he would have done well in playoffs with a good team, that’s not how it works
“Every once in a while it never hurts to put down the pitch forks and appreciate why exactly we’re having this debt in the first place” As I’ve gotten older I’ve realized professional sports are just really good reality TV. I still love them but it’s really not that serious
Well said.
It's fun to argue these types of things sometimes. I get you though.
U misspelled debate
The thing that made Eli special was his ability to be awful for the first three quarters and be magic in the 4th
That is a serious misconception about Eli. He was SOMETIMES magic in the 4th. His career passer rating 84.1. His career 4th/quarter passer rating was actually, just below that at 83.8. To make up for those amazing comebacks, he had many more dismal failures that were just not as well publicized.
@@tomknapp6194 LOL RENTFUCKINGFREE
@@danmcintee9037 If you mean facts live rent free in my head, you are correct. Facts are everything and wishful thinking is just that. Wishful. And the facts show that Eli was below average. But, instead of trying to prove that you are right (Hint: You aren't), you come back with insults. Typical Giants fan. You all are so unoriginal that you all say almost exactly the same things. Mostly insults because you really have nothing. A dime a dozen. Literally.
@@tomknapp6194Bro, he's top 10 all time in both 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives. That doesn't sound average.
@@sastryvnk4402 Wow! Top 10 all time! I guess the fact that he had 8,119 attempts has nothing to do with that! lol
In 2018, I did a comparison between Eli, Ben Roethlisberger, and Philip Rivers since they were all drafted the same year. They were all 6th, 7th, and 8th all time in a pretty tight group.
Except BR needed 807 fewer attempts than Eli to have more yards and more TDs. That's literally two more years of attempts to not have what BR had. PR? 972 fewer attempts for slightly fewer yards and slightly more TDs.
The bottom line is that even if a below average QB throws enough, the totals will add up. Below average? Yes. Eli is 72nd all time for TD % (that's a far cry from top 10) and 92nd all time for yards/attempt. There is no magic in just throwing a lot for below average results.
Aaron Rodgers has 500 fewer attempts than Eli, but 2,000 more yards and 109 more TDs. Matt Ryan has 15 more TDs, almost 6,000 more yards, on only 300 more attempts.
Game winning drives? They were behind most of the time because in quarters 1-3 Eli was a ghost. In fact, in 4 of his first 5 "game winning drives", Eli had a 54 passer rating through the first 3 quarters. They were literally behind because of Eli.
The 5th? This is pure gold. Against the Eagles, with just over 3 minutes to go with the ball and the lead, Eli throws an interception. The Eagles tie the game. Eli, being Eli, throws another interception, but the Eagles run out of time. In overtime, Eli throws his THIRD interception in less than 12 minutes in a 3 point or less game. But, is bailed out when the Eagles are sacked and fumble on about the 30. Then without throwing a pass, the Giants kick a game winning field goal and Eli is award a game winning drive.
Headlines are very misleading sometimes, especially in Eli's case. His entire career is a smokescreen that when scrutinized, was below average and he was carried through two post seasons. Nothing special about that.
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You should be a hall of Famer for this
"E-Laisha Nelson Manning" - Set The Edge 2020
Ethan Schaner the fourth
I mean his name is Elisha not Elijah so...
Oh fuck it legit is Elisha...
E-laisha sounds like a ghetto girl
he has such a cool first name. ridiculous he doesnt isnt known by it.
No matter what, he will live on as the Legend who stopped Tom Brady twice in the SB.
Yes he did. Strahan had Braggy's number too. Lol.
Really? The Patriots were averaging 37 and 32 points per year in 2007 and 2011. What was it about Eli's 17 and 19 points that overcame just an average Patriots score?
Oh, wait. Eli had to rely on Brady to have one of his worst games of the season and still barely managed to win. Eli owes everything to a defense that shut down multiple pro bowl players those years.
Tom Brady had one of the best defenses in NFL history under bill belichick brady was always bailed out by belichick defense so quit saying eli was bailed out by the giants defense most successful QBs have great defenses helping them💯@@tomknapp6194
@@tomknapp6194cope harder Eli is Brady’s kryptonite
@@thet1tan97 Please answer what Eli did to overcome just the Patriots average those years.
If it was a 35-38 shootout, then you could claim it was Eli. But, when no offense in either SB scored the league average of 21 points, that makes it a defensive game.
And I don't remember seeing Eli playing defense at any point.
With what the Giants defense did in those playoffs, they could have literally won with almost any QB in the league.
Eli's got a special place in the heart of every Giants fan
im a cowboys fan and hes got a place in my heart
Base950 lol, not to sure if that’s a good thing a bad thing 😂😂
@@leeoswald6803 lol i mean good
Well duh
@@Base950Y that's dope man I also got a lot of respect for Tony Romo, I thought he was a great quaterback tbh
If you were to put NFL QBs on an alignment chart he'd be the definition of choatic good. A great guy beloved by fans with 2 superbowls by upsetting Tom Brady and the Pats, but also leading the lead in picks 3 times, missed the playoffs more than he's made them, and a .500 career record.
1.Lamar Jackson 2. Russell Wilson 3.Patrick mahomes 4. Deshaun Watson 5.Aaron Rodgers 6.drew brees 7.dak presscott 8.kirk cousins 9.josh Allen 10.Matt Ryan 11.carson wentz 13.kyler Murray 14.jared Goff 15.tom Brady 16.Eli Manning-
He’s trash
Brennan H where’s Ryan tannehill/mariota because I know wentz isn’t as good as one of them lmao
Anthony Spadafora the point was Eli is trash
Brennan H ok
@@wattsonsplug but he still won some super bowl and beat brady twice. he is the greatest trash pf all time lol
You can’t tell the history of the NFL without Eli Manning. This reason alone makes him a Hall of Famer.
You can't tell the story of the NYG or NE Pats. either w/o Eli.
Name a QB whose stats are below average for 234 games, but won 2 SBs (actually the defense won those). That's Eli's story right there. NOT HoF worthy.
Tom Brady in his first 3 Super Bowls
@@tomknapp6194 I didn't realize that the Patriots had no defense. The more you know .
@@tomknapp6194 Eli has some of the most clutch playoff runs of all time and still to this day has some of the best postseason stats of any QB. Get outta here with the slander. If Prime says Eli is the real deal then we shouldn't be having this conversation
“To be the best, you have to beat the best.”
I mean, Eli did beat the best. . . TWICE.
So did Foles
@@NoFedRevolution Eli did it twice and both of those runs he beat the best those seasons. It wasn't just 1 lucky play, but a combination of solid play. To diminish that is taking a dump on football, don't be so dismissive
@b man, so did Joe Flacco.
Foles was a backup and didn't go through the grind to get into the playoffs. Wentz did that for Foles. Horrible comparison bringing up Foles against Eli. Eli also did it TWICE.
Hats off to the giants for those 2 Super Bowls but Eli didn’t win those games, the defense did. They held a 18-0 team to 14 points. Eli threw a terrible throw that was caught in probably what is one of the luckiest catches in super bowl history. He doesn’t belong in the HoF but will prob get it
I think Eli Manning is going to have the same thing happen to him as Ben Roethlisberger. It doesn't matter if their skill says they should or shouldn't be in the HOF, they're going to be added because of superbowl wins and popularity alone
No, he’s going to be added because of his stats
@@quinn9570 most years his stats were average. He threw a lot of picks and led the league in INTs 3 years. His legacy is those SB wins.
Big Ben is first ballot, he’s automatic to the hall
Ben Roethlisberger is going to the Hall of Fame.
I'm not 100% saying big ben doesn't deserve to be in the HOF but it does need consideration that for most of his career hes had a top 10 defense, a top 5 receiver and a top 5 running back to help him out
If Joe Namath is in the HOF then Eli Manning deserves it as well, PERIOD.
I hate that argument. What you're saying is, I don't believe Joe Namath is a hall of famer but he is so Eli should be to. Just because the hall of fame voters might have made a mistake in the past doesn't mean they should repeat them.
InsidiousSwede difference eras can’t compare
Might as well put Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson in as well.
Lol learn football you Dumbass. Eli was WAY better than those two😂😂😂
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
A minute old set the edge? Wowza I'm early.
And I wanted to sleep at 6:21 am.. why must you tempt me you devil??
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Ur a strange guy man
Nate Irving fr fr😂
one of my favorite SNL skits is eli manning’s courtroom sext defense lmao. KEWL.
Cara Eskins ;-P
you up?
The other Cavs with Donald Glover is my fave sports one lol
@@brandonw6139 that’s a good one
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Eli Manning: 2-0 against Tom Brady in Super Bowls.
Patrick Mahomes: 0-2 against Brady in the playoffs.
I'll let you decide.
Decided what lol
Nothing to decide Eli is The Best
No need to decide. Like he said, when the lights shine the brightest, Eli will usually show out.
Mahomes is light years better than Eli !!!
@Ian he’s on his 6th year💀 bra what. Yk what’s a better argument? MVPS and all pros. How many eli have again? Oh
I personally believe Eli Manning should definitely be inducted into the hall of fame, even though I’m a pats fan. His stats are among top 15-10 in quarterbacks of all time, and he has been able to prove time and time again that he can lead a team even when there is so much lacking talent around him. What really ended his career for him was the giants offensive line in my opinion.
Couldn't agree more and people always want to avoid the issue of offensive line and how much that can impact a QB's play.
His stats are all longevity based lol. If you looked at how his stats are pace wise. It shows how shit he is
Eli only has top 10 stats from 16 years of throwing. If a QB could be 12 straight years of being all pro, Eli would still have more stats, but that doesn't mean Eli was better. Stafford is going to pass Eli's yards and TDs on about 500 fewer attempts. Rogers did it on more than 1,000 fewer attempts.
His stats per attempt are literally average at best. Might even be below average. But, play 16 years and even those will eventually add up to something. His TDs/100 attempts is not in the top 70 all time. His yards/attempt are not in the top 90
Never a league MVP
Never even in the running
Never an all pro, or even second string
4 pro bowls in 16 years is not good
top 10 passer rating once in 16 years
His average passer rating ranking was 18th, that not even in the top half of 32 teams
Never led in any QB stats, except
3 times most interceptions
His 27 in 2013 has only been bested once
Never beat a single playoff team that scored more than 20 points
This is a much more accurate description of his career and I fail to see where any of that puts him in the HoF.
I believe he will get into the hall, the rings, the stats, the starting streak, and I believe there were a lot of awards off the field that he got, he is also just very classy and respectable.
also his stats were on average to terrible teams most of the time. Just look at how bad they are without him.
@abebuenodemesquita8111 thankfully they tossed the upper management out of new york and a new coach and it's night and day.
It pisses me off that eli spent his last few seasons with a sorry managed team that had no business running a nfl program.
Probably would have won a title with Odell in 16 or 17 with what we have now.
But oh well
When is the earliest he will be eligible to be inducted ?
He only has high totals because even below average attempts will add up over 16 years. That doesn't mean he was good. He just lasted more than most.
Yes, as a Packers fan I KNOW how good he can be come playoff time.
Nah bro, it's not that all these QBS are elite throwing machines, its that the packers defense for the most part since 2008 has been complete dogshit apart from 2010
im not sure packers fans can tell what good is during the playoffs given that they always think they have a Superbowl shot and then aaron rodgers is like hello fuck that ima only throw to one receiver even if he's triple covered and I have a wide open receiver.
and yes I am a bears fan
He was good even with some horrible teams around him
He lead the league in interceptions 3 separate seasons and was never even in the top 5 quarterbacks in the league. Manning should not be in the hall of fame
so was arron rodgers
SunamiKilla if your referring to guys like Dan Fouts and Warren Moon, they were WAY better than Manning. True, they never have substantial playoff success but they were among the greatest of their eras
SunamiKilla so Nick Foles should be a lock for the NFL Hall of fame
@@maliksalem1207 eli was the best qb in 2011 and thats just facts
I’m a Giants fan through and through, personally I believe Eli will be in the HOF, however I don’t think he is first ballot depending on who else is on the ticket at the time of his ELIgibility. (Yeah, bad joke). truly it was amazing to watch the Giants for the last 13 years and strive with that garbage excuse of an o-line.
Craft D. Pham same xd
thanks for your honesty dude!! I wish more of our fans can be open minded about things....
Agreed, the franchise gave up half way through this guy's career. As a giant fan it's fucking frustrating that they didn't give him the O- line he, or any other qb, needed to be successful
The o line was pretty good early in his career tho
@@DaDualityofMan after 2011 it has probably been the worst in the league, and for him to still go on to start 210 games shows you how tough he is. taking hit after hit
"Manning is a great guy on and off the field."
*The Chargers would like to have a word with you.*
He dodged a bullet bruh and you know it.
Its kind of funny actually, I feel like they would've possibly been better off with Phillip Rivers or Big Ben, or at the very least, equal.
Who knows though.
Both those guys had so many injuries with a good OL, imagine either of them in NY? Big Ben would be partying all the time while he was injured!
F**k the Chargers! Andy NOT Annmarie!
Is Eli Manning a hall of famer?
Is the sky blue?
Federal Bureau Of Investigation its blue somewhere.
Troy Aikmen is in the hall of fame for handing the ball off to emmit smith
Well tbf, Aikmen is also a 6× pro bowler and a 3× SB champ. It'd be dumb for a legacy like that to not make the HOF
Lol
How many 1 yard touchdown runs did Emmitt Smith have after Aikman passed the ball down the field? Quite a few. His stats won’t blow anyone’s mind but during his era, he was second to none in the only stat that mattered, which was winning
No cap, overrated
@@imthegoat3195 Manning is a 4 time pro bowler and 2 time sb champion
You QB 2 teams that beat the Brady/Belichick Patriots in 2 Super Bowls, including preventing 1 of those Patriots teams from going undefeated....Hall of Fame access: Granted
4 names are the reason they won the 1st one
Jay Alford, Osi Umenyiora, Michael Strahan, Justin Tuck.
In the second super bowl, same thing, a giants defense that played phenomenally and was the bigger reason the Giants won.
@@kitkat6782 You can say that about Brady in TB.
They only won the SB due to the defense.
Not sure many would want to go down that road.
@@ViolentMLG I don’t think Brady is the GOAT, I think he is a fraud system QB who gets carried by his defenses
@@kitkat6782 And controversial interference calls. Braggy mostly threw the ball 12 yards or less. He was Goodell's puppet.
The Patriots went 16-0 because they were averaging 37 points per game. Eli scores 17 in the SB and he's the hero? Please explain. Same thing in 2011. They were averaging 32 points per game and Eli's 19 points won.
It was the defense both times. Eli was only in the game because of them.
The giants failed him :( but he’ll always be my goat 🤝
A-fucking - greed!!!!!!! Even in the last superbowl run they had a 32nd ranked running game and 25th total defense, both lowest to win a superbowl. Eli manning was the reason they even had 9 winn that year and they would of had more if the team arrives him was as good as he was that year. To me that year he was a top 5 qb and should of been considered for mvp that year..the giants even failed him that year and the rest of the ladder half of his career. It's a fucking joke
He led the league in interceptions 3 seasons that is no hall of famer
@@DannyG21 so did Joe Namath and Terry Bradshaw.. There's a compilation video of all the interceptions in 2013,half of those passes were tipped&/or dropped by his receivers. Stats don't tell the whole story somr the time
His fault he was with the Giants as he cried not to go to San Diego. I count this as a point against him that his picked franchise wasn't good enough
Shane Wilson I go for the giants, but I believe after the 2013 season not taking account the one 11-5 season, the giants tried their hardest to halfass what a quarterback needed to succeed. He could’ve easily led them to the playoffs and I believe at least a little success but either drafting sucked, the free agents sucked their money with no contribution, no line to help him which shows his release time in 2018 ( his best statistical season because of ONLY Odell and saquon making them have a running game ) but just feel really bad especially because he never complained :(
Me, literallywearing an Eli Manning jersey as I watch this: Well, I certainly think so.
Same
7th NFL ALL TIME TD
7th NFL ALL TIME COMPLETIONS
8th NFL ALL TIME YARDS
2x Super Bowl Champion
2x Super Bowl MVP
Walter Peyton Man of the Year
Is Eli a hall of famer? Yes.
117-117. The epitome of average. Three division titles in 16 years, the epitome of bad. He only won playoff games in two of his 16 seasons. The passing stats are inflated because of the era he played in. Even Jameis Winston threw for 5000 yards last season. He never won a passing title and never came close to an MVP. His achievements are team ones and his failures are individual ones. He didn't win two superbowls, his defence did. Just 38 points in two superbowl wins, 10 teams have won the Superbowl with the same number of, or more points than he put up in two games. Those games were down to his defence, one great throw and one lucky catch. You want to put him in the HoF on the back of one good throw. If he is a hall of fame player then they better open the door and let about a 1000 other players in with him.
@pearboii II an answer that shows that you literally don't know anything about football. Personally, I am shocked that you even know who Drew Brees is. I can only assume that you ended up here by mistake from watching the weather channel, Brees and Breeze are two totally different things. Chelsea Manning is more deserving than Eli Manning.
calibrazxr750 I love how you preach that his success are team based and failures are individual, yet immediately start your bullshit argument by saying his record is 117-117. Isn’t that a team based? By your logic, it’s impressive Eli single handily pulled off 117 wins in his career. And this whole argument of “it was because of defense that they win” is just misleading. Both defenses he had were among the lowest ranked in their individual seasons. And while they showed up for those two SB, so did Eli, yes they absolutely kept the Patriots from scoring (Like a defense is suppose to do), But not once did either defense score those points. And I see people keep whining of his success being because of “lucky catches”, yet you never talk about what followed them. The Helmet Catch didn’t happen and then the Giants immediately won the game, no, they went down the field afterward and he threw what would be the game sealing touchdown. And what does the amount of points scored mattered? The whole point of football and any sport is to have the most points by the end of the game. If you just won the SB, would you be walking back to the locker room saying “Man, we just upsetted the 18-0 Patriots, but only scored 17 point, we’re failures.”. No, you wouldn’t.
@calibrazxr750 "117 - 117... Three division titles in 16 years"- The epitome of a weak, lazy critique. All passing stats are inflated for the era. "...never won a passing title" - yet, he finished in the Top 5 in TDs or Yards 7 times. " ...one great throw and one lucky catch" -
2 SB MVPs
15 TDs to 2 Ints
Playoff records for Completions, Yards, GWDs
Led a SB (42) record 10 min drive (completed 5 of 7 passes)
SB (46) record 9 strt completions to start the game
Only QB to complete multiple Conf Championships w/o a turnover
That D that "carried" Eli score 0 points (the 2 point safety in SB 46 was gifted by Brady throwing out of the endzone) and "gave" the NYG an average field position on their own 31.
11th in INTs thrown, and that was before getting benched.
Two rings. Against the Patriots in 2007 and 2011. Definitely a HOFer.
10:01 Wooooooooooooooooo I would fumble that ball too if that's what I look like after the hit
that's eli for ya
Man I feel like Eli’s final like 7 years were wasted because of coaching or talent, with exception of that time they made the wildcard
Giants failed to give him a solid o line and the coaching was pathetic
Not just his final years. In 07-08 there was only one probowler on that superbowl roster that beat the perfect patriots. The ravens had 12 last year and didnt even make the conference championship
@Ean Killer exactly, the Eli hate is unreal.
Nah they wasted that shit after the 07 run. 08. Plax shoots himself. Took 2 years to replace him with Nicks, Cruz and Manningham (which was a great pick) then they had the 09 running game that did not a damn thing but remind us of the band Earth Wind and Fire ( which is more legendary then that piss poor year) then we had to replace Starhan and luckily got JPP based on a video of him doing 23 back flips. It paid off. But all that and he goes back to the Super Bowl. In 2011. Then they just flat out screened him.
Do you realize that if you split his career 2004-2011 and 2012-19, you'll see that despite his best year was in the first half and his worst year was in the second half, his second half is still overall statistically better? How do you explain this?
He wins a 3rd ring if his best player doesn't shoot himself.
They'd go 15-1, Eli gets MVP, and they get a third ring. Debate over.
He used up all his good luck "winning" the first two. Anyone with an ounce of common sense (or football knowledge) knows that the defense won those games and not Eli.
@@tomknapp6194 Anyone with an ounce of common sense (or football knowledge) knows that your comment is one of a hater not knowing what he is talking about just trying to discredit Eli for whatever reason. Defense came up big throughout those playoffs as did the offense.
@@Josh-ur6dx Hater? Nope. Just better informed than Eli fans who just read headlines. Against the Cowboys, outside of about 50 seconds he had a total of roughly 50 yards in 21:20 of possession. Against the Patriots, with 1:30 to go in the game he had a passer rating of 72 against a guy that just averaged 117 over 16 games. Was that Eli? Nope. In fact, against the three teams that destroyed the Giants defense in 4 games (Cowboys x2), Eli only had a chance because each of those QBs were having one of their worst games of the year and Eli STILL needed a lucky play to pull out a victory. That should tell you something right there. And the FACTS support it.
@@tomknapp6194Fact Eli threw for 854 yards and 6 TD's in the 2007 playoffs. Facts Eli threw for 1,219 yards (the most all time for a post season run) and 9 TD's in the 2011 playoffs. Facts both games needed the Giants to score on their final offensive TD's to win. Fact the defense didn't get those TD's the offense did, both over 80 yard drives with about 3 minutes left for both. Fact the defense came up big when they needed to AND the offense came up big when they needed to. Facts the offense is led by the QB who in these cases was Eli Manning. Facts anyone claiming luck and only the defense won them those games can't give credit where credit is due. It is no secret that football teams often need both the defense and offense to show up to win big games.
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Yeeeeeeesssss
All joking aside, Eli is a Hall of Famer. You bring up the interceptions, but he's 12th on the all-time list with a 1.5/1 TD/INT ratio. The top 10 on that list (in order) are Brett Favre (with a whopping 336), George Blanda, John Hadl, Vinny Testaverde, Fran Tarkenton, Norm Snead, Johnny Unitas, Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, and Y. A. Tittle. 7 of those players are in the Hall of Fame or are going to be in the Hall of Fame. He also only has one more than Bobby Layne, two more than Dan Fouts, and only 10 more than Warren Moon, all three of whom are in Canton.
Not to mention, the talent around him in recent years has degraded, due to shit coaching and even shit GMing and ownership. At least half of those interceptions the years he led the league were balls that were tipped by his receivers or were just dropped. Also, there's the fact that he spent the better part of the last 7 years with an offensive line that seemed to be made out of rice paper, and took an absolute beating behind the line, over his career, so it's only natural he's lost more than a few fumbles (47 Sacks allowed in 2018 w/ 7 FL, 39 in 2013 which was when he threw 27 INTs w/ 7 FL, 31 in 2017 (when the Giants had the worst defense in the league and went 3-13) w/11 FL). It's also worth noting that Eli's weapons outside and in the backfield have had ridiculous amounts of injuries, in addition to a number of them sucking at their job.
He's also the *only* QB to ever throw for over 4500 yards and win the SB in the same season (2011). He's the only QB to win only 9 games and win the Super Bowl in the same season. He was one of the two Walter Payton men of the year in 2016, sharing it with Larry Fitz. He still holds the NFL record for most 4th quarter TD passes in a single season, with 15 (2011). He also holds the NFL record for most passing yards in a single postseason, with 1219 (2011). He also has the most consecutive completions to start a SB with 9 (SB XLVI). As you mentioned, he's 3rd All-time in consecutive starts by an NFL QB. He also holds 27 Giants records.
In short, Eli's in Canton.
Couldn't have said it even better
Beating the BB Patriots twice in the Super Bowl helps too.
@@jasondyrkacz8270 Don't Forget the Niners on January 22, 2012 NFC Championship Game. That was the best game I've ever seen of Eli
Manning
Let's see...... 8 games vs 16 years of basically average/backup stats. Draw your own conclusion there.
BTW, Eli has 366 TDs and 244 ints for a 3:2 TD/int ratio, not 2:1. And he's 47th all time, mostly tied with people who didn't play in the same pass friendly league that he did. Where are you getting these incorrect facts? BTW, only 19 QBs have ever had 2:1, and while Eli is not even close to being one, Tony Romo (248:117 or 2.12:1) is.
You say that he didn't have a good line for the second half of his career. If you break his career in half from 04-11 and 12-19, he has more TDs, fewer interceptions, higher completion percentage, and more yards per attempt. So he actually did BETTER in the second half of his career, despite have 2 SBs in the first half and his worst year in the second half.
Now, let's look at what he did or did not do in his 16 years. Did not have a winning record. Was never an MVP candidate. Never lead the league in any stat except interceptions (x3). Never an all pro. 4x pro bowler, which is actually not good for 16 years. 4x player of the week. 1x player of the month. Those seems very low for a 2x SB MVP. In the 6 years of the NFL top 100, he was only in it 3 times. In 16 years, he had a top 10 passer rating ONCE! JUST ONCE! And this is barely warming up.
Most of those stats you gave are from 8 games which makes up less than 4% of his career. The other 96% plus is barely above backup stats. In fact, QBs with Eli's lifetime passer rating are being benched. That should tell you something right there. And that's just his average rating, not his worst.
Eli is a legend, man! 4th Quarter assassin, 2x Super Bowl MVP (defeated a dynasty twice), the iron man streak... First ballot, man. No question!!!
The drive with the Tyree helmet catch was the greatest game winning drive I've ever seen!
Your 4th quarter assassin has a low career passer rating of 84.1 and even lower 4th quarter rating of 83.8. Carried by the defense in both postseason runs. Those are the facts.
@@tomknapp6194 look at it this way, if they didnt have a qb who could throw, then they dont even make the playoffs
@@LogBitzWasntTaken A QB that could throw? I thought we were talking about Eli. A below average QB that was carried by the defense through 2 postseasons.
You don't think he was below average? His passer rating through 16 years was below the NFL average 9 times. In 5 of the other 7 times, it was 3.8 (on a scale of 0-158.3) or less over the average, or just average. So, in 14 of his 16 years, he was below average a majority of the time and in a majority of the remaining years, he was just average.
What would you call that?
@@tomknapp6194 maybe if he had an offensive line and receivers that wouldn’t get injured for the rest of the season we would have a different story
@@LogBitzWasntTaken And maybe if he was a QB with skill he could elevate his teammates and force the defense to take pass coverage more seriously. But, no one was afraid of Eli.
I wish the NFL HOF was as selective as the Baseball HOF
Way more players are in the nfl compared to mlb
Maybe a little less selective there's still lots of people who many people feel are deserving of baseball Hof spots. But I get where you're coming from.
Cooperstown is harder to get into.
Well to be fair possesion by possesion there are 22 players vs 18 in baseball and the span of an NFL career is much shorter than baseball typically for the best players the sport has to offer so ... there is a case there. And baseball does have players that should not be in. Mazeroski is only in the Baseball hof because he hit a game 7 walk of world series home run against the Yankees. Outside of that he was less than average in my opinion. Offensively anyway. Baseball has its issues because it is a longevity sport and the hall of fame for baseball historically is based on counting stats so if you played 20 + season and 5 of those seasons you were elite you have a good chance of getting in you will be able to get the 500 home runs or the 3000 hits. I mean look at Derek Jeter I am a Yankee fan, die hard but Derek Jeter at no point was the best SS in the MLB never won an MVP, never lead the league in anything although he came close a few time at an MVP and batting titles, and his GG are arguably the worst awards granted to a player. But he has rings and 3000 + hits most of which where singles and boom first ballot hall of famer almost unanimously inducted.
@@josephcox3091 well there is only 32 players all time to get to 3000 hits. So dont know how common it is. And the 500 homerun club has even less. Mazeroski was definitely not below average because by that same belief david freese would be in for his iconic homerun
ELI MANNING IS NOT A HALL OF FAMER MY CAPS LOCK KEY IS BROKEN
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Eli Manning is not a Hall of Famer
Yes he is he won 2 Super Bowls and played well in them he is a hall of famer if he isnt then Roethlisberger isn’t
@@Yep529 Roethlisberger's odds are definitely better. Look up Jim Plunkett.
Theroux still he is a hall of famer
Though eli doesn't have the stats, he brought a presence to the field that only Tom Brady and Joe Montana brought, confidence. They believed they could win every snap every drive and every game. That presence alone is way more than enough to get into the hall of fame
he doens't have the stats because he didn't have the receivers. brady and Montana have played with some of the best receivers of all time. the best manning has is OBJ
@@abebuenodemesquita8111 I know you aren’t forgetting he had Cruz and burress, but every great receiver he had was only with Eli for a short time
@@Adoringcargo oh shit I did forget Burress. Never heard of Cruz but I a) am not a fan of the giants and b) wasn't a big fab of football during the mid 2000s to early 2010s
@@abebuenodemesquita8111 Cruz was hurt a lot when Odell showed up, and I also remembered Hakeem knicks
I think longevity is something that can be measured to tell how good a player is. It’s literally how they measure most Offesnive linemen
And Troy Aikman
If Eli manning had the patriot’s offense line, he would still be playing and dominating, but instead he had trash cans and busts trying to block
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It’s laughable to say he doesn’t belong, he’s got the accolades and the all time numbers to be in the hof
While his .500 career might look bad, you can’t put that all on a player, manning and Brady have always had amazing teams, then you look at the giants, they’ve not been on the level of those other 2. All I’m gonna say is that those losses aren’t always going to just be on Eli
He may not have been elite his entire career, every game, all 4 quarters, but he truly is a tough son of a bitch, the amount of injuries he sustained were ones he could've made a case just to hang up the Jersey and retire but he kept trying and not to mentioned he dethroned 2 legendary patriots teams that I'm a fan of which hurt because I had to watch this fucker as a little kid demolish the Pats twice in the big game until I saw Brady hold up the lombardi again. Eli might have been kryptonite to the pats dynasty and I respect the hell out of him
Not to mention that Eli wasnt in the top 5 QBs the years he dethroned the Pats, not even the elite ones could outgun Brady at the time, I would be fine if eli had 2 rings but I just wish Moss got his :/
Not only that, but hes debatably the most clutch qb ever
I will say this: looking at wins and losses for a QB is barely better than looking at wins and losses for a pitcher. Neither one has control over the entire game and a bad team can sink a really good player. Marino never won a Super Bowl, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a great QB.
Thank you. Imagine if Brady & Manning had Reese & Gettleman picking the talent? Colts GM Bill Polian is in the HOF for building great teams. Should Reese or Gettlemen go to the HOF? Belichick is going to the HOF. Tony Dungy is also in the HOF for great coaching & winning consistency. Should Coughling McAdoo, Gilbride or Shurmur make the HOF? What about Mike Sullivan? That is some devastating mediocrity. People wrongly expected the NYG to be a dominant team when it clearly lacked the overachieving front office to be such a team.
Idk what y'all think Eli Manning had a couple more good years left in him.
I agree
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No he didn't bro not as a starter
So are we just gonna overlook the fact that Eli carried a 27th ranked defense and worst run offense to a super bowl?
Are you going to overlook the fact that the 27th ranked defense gave up an average of 14 points/game, none over 20 points, and an opposing passer rating of only 74? And Eli still barely managed to win 2 of those games.
Stop acting like it was all Eli. Without the defense doing what they did both times, Eli didn't have a chance and his 17 and 19 points would have been blowouts.
If Terrell Davis is in the NFL Hall of Fame, ELI Manning definitely deserves to be in there.
Never been a Giants fan, but Eli deserves to be in the HOF 100%
Chris Farley no.
Not crying at all. Not sure how you came to that brilliant conclusion. Eli isn’t a HOFer for many reasons. Two lucky passes in the two luckiest SB wins of all time when your teams defense actually won both games does not get you a HOF spot imho.
@Brian Jungen Eli's "luck":
2 SB MVPs
15 TDs to 2 Ints
PO records for Yards, Completions and GWDs
SB record opening 9 straight completions
Led a SB 42 record opening 10 minute drive
Only QB to complete multiple Conf. Championships w/o a turnover
75 % completion percentage - 4th highest in SB history
Out played a HOF QB 4 times (Brady twice, Favre and Rogers)
@@brianjungen4059 How was that luck during the 2012 superbowl that was a dot.
Simeon no it wasn’t. He heaved it up and Manningham caught it. Most people think he was throwing it away.
He is a hof he stopped Brady for getting 2sb rings
Eli is 1 of 12 quarterbacks to win multiple Super Bowls 2. Number 5 in multiple Super Bowls MVP’s 2. Top ten yardages and touchdowns at the time of his retirement.
Something that Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers Brett Favre couldn’t do.
Yes Eli is a resounding hall of famer and was elite at the position.
Eli was literally carried through 2 postseasons by a defense that gave up an average of 15.1 points/game, none over 20, and an opposing passer rating of only 74. And Eli still barely managed to win 5/8 games. And 2 of them went to overtime in which Eli was a combined 3/7 for 17 yards, literally did nothing on the game winning drives and was given credit for the win. Eli had to rely on multipe pro bowl QBs to have one of their worst games of the season and still needed lucky last second plays for a narrow win.
He has top 10 stats from 16 years of passing. Rogers passed Eli's career yards and TDs on over 1,000 fewer attempts. That's almost 2 more years worth of attempts for Eli to still have less. In fact, Eli isn't even in the top 70 all time for TD % or yards/attempt. But, even below average will add up if given enough time.
How many Hall of Famer‘s has Eli ever played with though
Like 4, but there are other players he played with who couldve been HOF if they either stopped getting injured or weren't idiots, JPP(blew up his hand) Plaxico Burress(literally shot himself in the foot) Victor Cruz had hamstrings made of silly string, theres alot of others but Eli wasn't always surrounded by bums
@@JoelCastro5206 In defense of JPP, he was trying to get rid of a hangnail.
@@JoelCastro5206 Shockey couldn't keep his trap shut and got shipped off to New Orleans, though he started raking up injuries anyways. I'm sure Tiki felt pressured to retire early due to his comments as well.
The only reliable receiver he had for three years was Amani Toomer, who as a Giants fan I love but let's be real, he's a career #2 at best. Meanwhile his brother had two HoF receivers in Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne for, what was it, ten years? Ten years of two of the best options in the league for Peyton, each of them drawing heat away from each other. I mean I understand that Peyton's skill is part of why they're HoFers but at the same time they're both also first round draft picks. The Giants only once tried to arm Eli with weapons like the Colts did for Peyton - signing that idiot who literally shot himself in the foot - and after that the GM always prioritized drafting and signing defensive players over offensive players, including the O-line.
exactly, eli played with some awful rosters, odell dropped two touchdown passes in the 2016 playoffs first round
4??? Um...no. Its only one and Thats Strahan. He won another without Strahan as well.
Eli Will make it 10 years from now 110th NFL Season calling it
0:33 when I poop my self in class
Manning had superbowl runs that looked like some Madden shit.
Not funny
When you're lifting and hear a fart, but don't know if anyone else heard it
Imagine not being able to chuckle at this. Cmon now. This was funny
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Imagine if Eli and Payton were a combined player. The regular season stats of Payton and the clutch/playoff stats pf Eli. Would be Tom Brady on steriods
No it wouldn't. Eli only won 8 postseason games in his entire career. He lost every postseason game where his defense gave up more then 20 points (0/4). Brady has almost 4x as many postseason wins as Eli with 30.
@@coldwinter5428 brady was also on the pats
If Troy Aikman is a hall of famer with those stats and the supporting cast that he had over the years, then Eli is a shoe in.
You mean the guy that won more games in the 1990's than any other QB? That guy? Eli did that, right? Oh, that's right... Eli didn't even have a winning regular season.
I think he is a HoF no doubt, I'm not going to judge his entire career off his last 2-3 seasons.
Then you're choosing to judge it off of 2 games instead, he's not even close to a hall of famer without those super bowls. He was mediocre for almost his whole career, he was just mediocre for a pretty long time, I don't think that's enough to qualify as a hall of famer.
Actually, if you split his career in half between 2004-11 and 2012-19, despite his "best" years being in the first half and his worst year being in the second half, he was statistically better in the second half. How would you explain that?
2X Superbowl MVP, 2x Superbowl Winner, nearly 60000 yards, led a dysfunctional franchise to the playoffs for the last half of his career, threw for over 4000 yards 7 years, statistically was punished year after year by having head coaches who loved to run the ball in the red zone or himself would audible to a run, 2nd coach on the field, had a gunslinger mentality who had to carry his team for years hence the Ints... I mean come on the fuck on.
Some people care about video game like Statistics, go stick with Matt Stafford le garbage time king. I'll stick with Eli and get some rings.
No need for the hit on Stafford. Actually, they both had terrible teams around them and share others traits (gunslingers)
My case for Eli: Brett Favre is in the hall of fame. He threw a ton of interceptions. Eli may have thrown a bunch of interceptions but stats aren’t everything. His legacy will live on forever, not only because of the manning name but also because he has 2 rings by beating Tom Brady as an underdog twice. Eli manning IS a hall-of-fame QB.
Manning needs to go in to fairly represent the best Giants QB of all time.
Damn bro, I guess we gotta put Mark Brunell in the HOF too, he's the best Jags QB ever!
Troispoint the jags are 20 years old the Giants are damn near 100
@@905kar5 Eli was never elite and it's stupid to argue otherwise. You want dilute the HOF because you're irrational about 2 super bowl wins. He's Jim Plunkett propped up by the New York market.
@Troispoint Oh, yes he sure is another Jim Plunkett: SB MVPs Eli 2 JP 1; Pro Bowls Eli 4 JP 0; Top 5 in TDs or Yards Eli 7 JP 3; Game Starts Eli 234 JP 144; Top 10 Fantasy Finishes Eli 6 JP 3; Playoff Road wins Eli 5 JP 2. Lmao.
@@dddd-xg7yo Pro bowls are fan voted. Andy Dalton went to a pro bowl. They're garbage. He was never elite. He has the same QB rating for his career as Mark Brunell. He was good, not great.
"Is Eli Manning a Hall of Famer?" Bruh is that even a question. Cmon we all know what the answer is.
Its no
Keep dreaming. Eli is obviously getting into the HoF.
@@willsmooth1355 ya that's what I was gonna say. These other guys saying no are clearly Patriot fans.
Giants fan, but I say no
But he will because of his last name, first family in football
He's like tim Duncan, barely shows emotions.
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@Shark Gaming The only basketball player that got ejected for laughing.
He has also had horrifically bad offensive lines in his career and a very poor front office
But the thing is, Eli still has top 10 stats in every category, and if you look at the other Qb's in the top 10 stats, you will see that they're all in the hall of fame/going to be. So as it to say, Eli is a future Hall of famer. Also, Joe Namath had way worst stats than Eli and still made it, so did unitas
Something to think about. Rogers passed Eli's career TDs and yards on 1,000 fewer attempts. Rivers and Roethlisberger both passed Eli on 800+ fewer attempts. That's almost 2 more seasons worth of attempts for Eli to still be behind their totals.
Imagine a QB that is an all pro for 12 years. 16 years would probably still have more yards and TDs even if they are below average attempts. Eli's TDs per 100 attempts isn't in the top 70 all time. His yards/attempt are not in the top 90. He's mostly tied with or behind average QBs from today's league or good players from well over 20 years ago that played in a much less pass friendly league.
2 Time Superbowl MVP, beat the greatest Quarterback of all time twice in the biggest game in the sport. Has the record for the most playoff passing yards in 2011. Yeah he deserves it 100%. Maybe not first ballot but no way he stays out. Not a great record for interceptions, but American Football is a game of moments and he has had some HOF moments.
Now this was a good ass video. I'm team for but this helped me see the team against much better. I also agree that he will be in the hof at some point, pretty much guaranteed (not first ballot probably). I need more of these videos in my life. Every week, not every month. I'll go through football withdrawls without set the edge educating me on things I didn't even know I agree with. Keep it up so I can keep coming back.
Without Eli, Brady would have 8 sb wins and an undefeated season.
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I've never understood the argument of "He was never a top 5 QB in all his time in the league." Even if you don't think he ever was, why the hell does that matter? Patrick Mahomes has been the best QB in the world for the past 2 seasons, so does that make him a HOFer? Absolutely not. So why should it matter if Eli never was? He's got literally every other box checked, all time great stats, quite possibly the most clutch QB in SB history, longevity, AND 2 rings. The only argument against this is "He fell off when he got older." Which literally happens to every single QB. Unless we're forgetting 9 TDs to 17 Ints by his brother. Or the fact that Dan Marino's last game, which was a playoff game, involved him having a statline of 11/25, 95 yards, 1 garbage time TD, 2 Ints and 2 lost fumbles. These guys had higher regular season peaks sure, but neither of these guys really ever got it done in the playoffs when it mattered. Eli Manning never threw a pick 6 during a potentially game tying drive of a SB. Eli Manning always got it done, when the team needed it most, and was pretty damn good outside of those situations too. EASILY a HOFer. The only argument is if it should be first ballot or not
The arguments against him are...interceptions, completion percentage, overall record. He had two really good playoff runs and a long career. Longevity is not enough. Longevity of excellence is the mark of the HoF, and Eli does not have it. As long as he misses on the first few ballots, then I won't think it is a terrible thing if he gets in. First ballots are for the true game changers, like Brady, and Eli's brother.
Remember, if you think Eli is a sure fire HoFer, then you should be on the Jim Plunkett bandwagon, because if you remove the consistent starting position (which should not count for a lot, count yes, but not for a lot) then Jim Plunkett has nearly identical stats. Mediocre, with 2 Super Bowl rings.
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Eli had a bad record because look at how shit the Giants have been for the past decade after the SB. His interceptions were because the Giants were awful, and because he started to decline due to age, like literally every QB. Wins are not a QB stat, they are a team stat, and ever since the last SB, the team has been letting Eli down for 8/9 years
jim plunkett didnt do shit during those playoff runs, Eli literally put the team on his back those entire playoff runs. That is the key difference that just looking at the stats doesnt tell you. I doubt 1/5 of the QBs in the HOF in their prime, could make the throw to Manningham Eli did in 2011, excluding the pressure of it being during a SB game winning drive
@@mayitakeyourhatsir8632 jIm pLuMmEt dIdNt dO sHiT iN tHoSe pLaYoFf rUns
@Aude Khatru You "critics" keep on making the Jim Plunkett comparisons. Aside from the fact that they played in different eras there's all this: SB MVPs Eli 2 Plunkett 1; Pro Bowls Eli 4 JP 0; Top 5 in TDs or Yards Eli 7 JP 3; Top 10 Fantasy finishes Eli 6 JP 3.; HOFers Played with Eli 1 (Strahan) Plunkett 5 (Allen, Long, Guy, Hedricks and Casper); SB run road wins Eli 5 Plunkett 2.
@@mayitakeyourhatsir8632 A QB's record is what it is, and claiming it is just a bad team is about like saying that Tom Brady wouldn't have been all that good if he hadn't played for the Patriots. HoFers are chosen on what they do, not on what they might have done with a better team. It is nearly impossible to compare QBs from different eras. Johnny Unitas joined the league when there were only 12 games and never played more than 14 games in a season. Even if his per game average was as high as the modern generation, he would not be in the discussion of Career Yards. And, I am actually betting that it is more like 4/5 HoF QBs that could make that throw, but I would have to go through thousands of hours of game footage to see the throws they made. I would lay money on both Joe Montana and Steve Young being able to make each and every throw that Eli made in his whole career. But, that is based on personal bias and having watched a lot of 49er games. To me, Eli was overrated from the day he was drafted. Eli was a good, but not great QB, except for two playoff runs that ended in Rings. Without those two playoff runs, I do not think this discussion even occurs.
Are we really still talking about this?
There’s other qbs in the hof with .500 records. Eli’s going to the hof
Alex Rivas 2011, the year he won his 2nd SB he was for sure
@Alex Rivas your smoking some good shit .
I don’t think u understand the giants had in of the worst offensive lines. If you really want to look at stats look at their o line in the years that he threw the most ints. Check ur facts
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You make good videos. Thanks for that!
Finally he's back I've been waiting for so long!
I feel like an unused argument is that Eli didn't win a superbowl against a weaker foe. He didn't get bailed out by the Pats losing early on to a weaker team. Eli didn't play the Chargers, or other fluke teams. He beat two really good Pats teams one of which that featured several first ballot hall of famers in Brady, Moss, Vollmer, Ninkovich, Wilfork, Chung, Bruschi, Seymour, and Vrabel.
2 Pats teams with double digit regular season wins, one of which they were undefeated until the SB. Eli didn't fluke two Super Bowl wins against two record setting teams.
Not to mention, during those SB runs, they had to face the #1 seed in the second round both times (Dallas in 2007, GB in 2011). Also, the only home playoff game they had over the course of those two playoff runs was the 24-2 beatdown of the Falcons in the 2011 WC at MetLife.
@@crewkid52 Not to mention the NYG were a combined 40 point underdogs in those runs while playing teams with a combined 108-26 record (including the playoffs).
Two words, one name ... *Joe Namath.* And there you have ‘my’ response to that very question.
One side: *He broke the AFL/NFL barrier in SB III*
Other side: *He sucked & had no work ethic*
Story of life
Just because one questionable player gets in, shouldn't mean that every questionable one following him should therefore also get in.
Michael McDermott Actually it does. Since no definitive guide exists as to what a HOFer is, selections are based on interpretation.
@@dddd-xg7yo There is a definitive guide. Watch it on RUclips. Anyway if Eli gets in Plunkett and Rivers might as well get access granted too.
@@kitkat6782 Well, actually there is no definitive guide. The HOF only states that the committee should select the "very finest" players. That's a broad definition. I agree about Rivers and Eli - both should get in. The Plunkett comparison is a bit of a stretch. First of all, he has zero Pro Bowls to his name compared to Eli's 4. He has 1 SB MVP to Eli's 2. Not to mention the fact that Eli's runs were more difficult and historic. Also, he started 90 fewer games than Eli (the iron man streak of 210 starts) and never carried a team the way Eli did in 2011.
Eli is a HOFer yes he never dominated the game but he was a top 5-10 QB in his prime
I really don’t know why this is an argument…Yes
About the facial expressions. It was the funniest thing to watch him watching Peyton win Superbowl #2
Yes he is. Next
If Eli Manning goes to the Hall of Fame then Jim Plunkett must go in. If Eli Manning goes to the HOF than Joe Flacco goes. This is your worst video ever it was not Objective. You must be related to Eli Manning? You did a great job with your Jameis Winston video and Marcus Mariotta. This one was a Eli Puppet video. I can give you 10 reason why he should not be in the Hall of Fame.
This guy is so one sided in his narrative.
Yes he’s a HoFer. Change my mind
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Another fantastic video! Keep it up my guy!
Tom Brady's congratulatory tweet to Eli when the latter retired was hilarious....you knew Tom was being sincere but you can still sense the bitterness.
It’s a really simple (YES) to me
People keep forgetting how bad the Giants offense AND defense were in his last bunch of years. Also, how many games did the Giants lose on last minute, final drives of the opponent, and how many games did they lose on last second game losing field goals? Those losses ALL go on Eli Manning's W-L record. It was astounding how many games they were winning when the defense crumbled. It happened so often, we as fans, expected it to happen EVERY week. "Lets watch to see how the D falls apart and they lose." I think he should be in, but I'm not saying he's the best ever. He does deserve the recognition, however.
Eli fans tend to think that he was a Superman. His passer rating was literally 84.1 for his career, which was very low. His 4th quarter passer rating was 83.8, which was below his already below average passer rating.
But, give him a few headlines of when he does succeed and all his mistakes seem to disappear.
longevity, four pro bowls, 2x Superbowl MVP, Beat the most dominate team in NFL history TWICE in the Superbowl, Beat Arguably the GOAT TWICE in the Superbowl, Beat Arguably Greatest coach of all time. One of two players on those SB teams that's going to the hall so they weren't loaded with HOF'ers. One of 5 QBs in the HOF with 2 Super Bowl MVPs.He is the only QB in NFL history to beat 2 teams with 15 or more wins in the playoffs. Had to beat the top QB's of his era to win those super bowls: Ryan, Favre, Rogers both at Lambo and Brady twice. The record for most passing yards in a single playoff run. He played his whole career without a #1 WR, TE or a Dominate RB yet he's 7th all time in stats.
4 pro bowls in 16 years? Given the MVP when the defense did all the heavy lifting? When compared to other QBs that have 2 SB MVPs, he's left way in the dust? Had to rely on multiple pro bowl QBs to have one of their worst games of the season and then still barely manage to win on lucky last second plays? Top 10 stats? His yards/attempt and TD % are horrible, but even 16 years of those add up. If he were actually a decent QB, he would have had a lot more. Aaron Rodgers had more than 100+ TDs than Eli on more than 1,000 fewer attempts. That is just the beginning on how bad Eli truly was.
I think you forgot a few things there. And while you have basically blown your entire load, I haven't even warmed up yet.
I think Eli was a good quarterback with 2 great moments. His stats say he was good, not great, the eye test says he was good, not great
His decades-long dogshit O-Line disagrees.
He's the Frank Gore of quarterbacks
DanielSong39 That’s kinda pretty accurate. But I don’t think Frank was “average” compare to other backs, Eli was pretty average compared to other QB’s like Drew, Tom, Peyton.
Gore was never great, you're right.
Nicholas Alexander Compared to Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Peyton Manning? Those are the three best QBs in NFL history (although I could see Johnny Unitas and Fran Tarkenton competing at a high lvl in today’s game).
@@jgcurran Those three are among the best of the era, surely Rodgers belongs in that group too
DanielSong39 I’ll say Rodgers is better than Eli, who I’m biased towards speaking I’m a Giants fan, but he’s in a tier below those 3 guys. P. Manning, Brees, and Brady are the three best in NFL history.
I’m still baffled that Namath is in but not Plunkett or Morrall...Eli should get in too!
Eli Manning has a mediocre career other then winning two Super Bowls
Will Rode of corse the pats fan says it lmao
I don’t think Eli should be put in the hall of fame
Silly Goose 2 Super Bowl rings mean nothing?
Joe M 2 Super Bowl rings are impressive but he had a mediocre career at best no quarterback that has a even 500 career record should be put in the hall of fame. He also lead the League in interceptions multiple times. He did shine in big moments but that is not a hall of fame career
Silly Goose what about players like Andrew Luck? He had a horrible team but still played good. Also Aaron Rodgers hates his coach and still played good. He had his peak a long time ago and he just didn’t age well like Brady or brees. He should have retired a while ago and he would be considered a good qb.
He is HOF worthy , Top 5 playoff/clutch Qb of all time.
You can't mention the 100 years of the NFL with mentioning Eli Manning
NFL DNA yeah you can lol
Really than can we mention the 100 years with mentioning Super bowl 42 when Manning knocked off the Undeafeated Patriots?
I was strongly leaning yes, but you've convinced me that if he does get in, it shouldn't be for like a decade after he becomes eligible. He had a very Jack Morris-type career, and he should have a similarly long wait.
It ain't about no Jack Morris. Jack Morris didn't stop an invincible dynasty. Jack Morris didn't best the greatest QB. the best team & goat defensive coach of all time. Jack Morris never faced the whole country writing him off while overcoming an undefeated team. Jack Morris never dealt with that kind of pressure. So get the heck out of here talking about an old timer like Jack Morris. What's baseball got to do with it? Its not as physical pitchers don't take the beating QBs take.
I believe that he did great 👍. Believe me he helped N.Y. in many ways..King of New York really..my humble opinion food for thought..yes 1st ballots 🗳...not because of the last name because of the love ❤ of the game...really
real question. Was Eli Manning ever a top 10 qb of any year he played?
joe franks using what metric? There’s no doubt that, without even checking, he’s been top ten in an important QB statistic more than once in his career.
Edit: just a quick check to find at least one and he was top ten in yards throws in 2009. But I’m sure there are more. Not to mention he’s been tied for number one in GS every year between 2005-2016 (would’ve been 2017 too if we didn’t have a cuck of a coach)
I never remember a season where it was like "Eli is the guy this year"
Perhaps you were asleep during 2011
He had a season with 4900 tards which would have been good enough to lead the nfl 12 of the last 20 years
@@theboss6484 Yes, that was 2011. He finished 4th in yards, 6th in TDs, led the league in GWDs and set the record for 4th Q TDs. He led this team to the playoffs: 25th in Defense, 31st ranked O-line, 32nd in rushing with zero Pro Bowlers on offense. That is unprecedented.
The HOF is reserved for the best players from each generation. Dont think you could find a single season where he was the best qb in the league or near the top 3. If he is going in then julian edelman should be a frickin first ballot hofer. 2011 was this magical season sure, but jameis winston threw for more yards and TDs and no one is arguing he should go in some day
@@sugaquaks jameis winstion had 30 interceptions and had a top 5 receiver in the league in mike evans the best receiver eli ever had was victor cruz and he only had 3 good years. 15 years in a row with 3000+ yards which tom brady, joe montana, big ben, aaron rodgers, john elway, dan marino, jim kelly, troy aikmen, abd russell wilson have not done yet. check the stats before you spread fake information. Your probably 15 years old and have never seen a prime eli play and this bias video swayed your entire opinion. Elis a top 20 quarterback of all time and any nfl fan that has been watching for 15+ years would know that
You got to keep in mind, that Eli has been on such a bad team for like 12/16 years. And he is still in the top 10 for passing yards and tds. For what he’s done I think he should.
They don't understand just how really bad guys like Will Tye, Mario Mannigham, Ruben Randall, Larry Donnell and some of those others were. The RBs Jacob & Bradshaw were good but didn't see enough action.
@@ctruth6185 Not to mention the number of WRs and TEs that did their best work with Eli - Nicks, Harris, Carter, Hixon, Ballard, Boss, and even Shockey and OBJ.
There are people who don’t deserve to be in the hall of game but are, and there are people who deserve to be there that aren’t.
All I know is Eli is part of one of my core early NFL memories. That moment where he somehow escaped a crowd and tossed up a hope and a prayer to David Tyree is an immortal memory for me. I was a pretty new NFL fan at the time and I just couldn’t believe it.
That's great! Tell me more about his memorable career over 233 other games!
@@tomknapp6194 well, for most of his career he was a top 10 QB and he has several memorable moments like the one I mentioned above. He is like the yang to Phillip Rivers’ yin. Rivers has all the stats and physical traits you want with the attitude of a movie version of high school football player rather than a real person…but he is real.
But Eli has the rings, and I find it hard to say he didn’t live up to the hype of his draft class.
All of that in New York City, where many players have gotten distracted by the large media market.
Also, he beat the patriots. Twice.. He is a hero in the Classical Greek sense.
I’m just saying, if your definition of “hall of fame” is “exemplary examples of NFL play” then he is in. If your definition is “the person with the best stats” then I guess other people are ahead of him, but even then, this video lays out pretty clearly that he wasn’t a bad player even by that standard….and there aren’t a limited number of spots. We could put every players in if we wanted to, and there isn’t a reason to not have Eli there. Personally, I think the Hall of Fame should serve as a story of the league.
@@dstinnettmusic When you say “top 10 QB”, I have to wonder what you mean. In his 16 years, he has only two stats that consistently ranked in the top 10: Attempts and interceptions. Not completions (despite A LOT of attempts), completion percentage, TD percentage (TDs per 100 attempts), yards/attempt, or the passer rating. In fact, for the passer rating, he was top 10 once. Once in SIXTEEN years. In addition, his average passer rating ranked him at 18th. That’s not even in the top half. And once he was 35th in a league with only 32 teams.
Eli has two rings. Even two SB MVPs! That’s amazing! He must have been great in 2007 and 2011. Um, no. In 2007, he was carried by a defense that suddenly woke up and held QBs who scored an average of 35 points against them in the regular season to 17, 20, and 14 points. With 1:30 to go in the 2007 season SB, Eli had a 14 points and 74 passer rating against a guy that just averaged 117 and 35 points over 16 games and was still in it. Was that really because of Eli? I’ve been waiting over a decade for someone to come up with at least a semi plausible explanation for that. Very similar situation in the 2011 season SB also. If he had won in a 35-38 shootout with Brady, THEN he beat Brady. Not when he (as well as Romo and Favre) were having one of their worst games of the season and Eli is gifted a last second win with a lucky play.
I’ve seen many people say something to the effect like, “The story of the NFL cannot be told without Eli!” I’ve been watching football for about 40 years now. I have never heard this argument used for any other player for qualification for the HoF. It is like Eli fans are desperate to make an otherwise average/below average QB seem good when he really just won the lottery twice.
One last thing. Instead of calling me names or insinuating that my points are inaccurate, please point out specifically where I am wrong. Just a word of warning, I’ve told this to many, many Eli fans and I never receive a response.
I’d have to say yes solely on the fact that he’s most likely the best NY Giants QB in history.
That's not a good reason.
If it's about best QBs by teams then Mark Brunell, Ken Anderson, and Joe Flacco need to be considered for induction. Trust me, that kind of argument doesn't work for the HOF.
Oooh winston in thr HoF
hey just put everyone in the hall who started x amount of games
let's say 200 for qbs no matter stats or accolades
@@SomeGuyo 2 SB
Hell yeah, I mean he's 2-0 against Brady in the Super Bowl. 🤷🏽
yes!