I feed Purina products for several decades with zero issues . That Facebook group was full of fanatics. I watched the extremisms in what they came out with . Those that sold their own products as in boutique foods otc vitamins etc through that group greatly increased their products . They had ulterior motives.
So if it's safe, why were truckloads of new food being thrown out by the manufacturers? Why did my own dog have seizures (which the vet believed was epilepsy, but now she's completely off the meds with no further seizures unless she gets the bag that caused it)? Why were hundreds of pets dead after a day or two of a new bag being opened? They took so goddamn long to start investigating that most of the evidence was gone. What if it was something that would have degraded by that time? Why was the FDA DENYING FOIA requests? It was suspected that the contaminant might be something most labs do not test for, potentially a pesticide based on symptoms. I smell a rat. Honestly I think the FDA is being paid to keep it quiet...
@@lisathewhitewolf I read somewhere the truckloads of food was a scam promoted by Dr Judy Morgan and it was one store discontinuing a brand to make room for another. Retailers cannot return food to manufactures. I really don’t know what’s true. Your other points are the points I expected people to say and are somewhat valid. Is there truth somewhere between total denial and exaggeration? Possibly. Thanks for your feedback!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuyI have to wonder, if some of the claims really were the food, and only 1% or so if adverse events get reported, and there really is nothing "abnormal" about the food...how many pets are actually dying on a daily basis from this stuff? It's scary. I really don't think it's a scam. She didn't have any money in it and on the contrary dumped thousands of her own into testing.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuyMy dog actually had issues from Wellness grain-free. It wasn't Purina. But I know for a fact it was that because every seizure was within a half hour after feeding her. When I stopped giving it to her, the seizures stopped. Couple months later I gave her the food again and bam, another seizure (and she didn't stop having twitches all day after that, poor girl. And this was while she was on her seizure meds.) She's been off those meds since February and there hasn't been a single seizure. Whatever it was, it affected multiple brands, but I'm thinking Wellness actually jumped on it right away instead of trying to claim it was safe. You know when the whole melamine thing happened, they waited THREE WEEKS after they knew what the issue was to report it? And there was no consequence for this?
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuyI agree that the truth may be somewhere in the middle. But even if it's completely incorrect and there was nothing actually wrong, It doesn't excuse the fact that the company took no steps to truly confirm their food was safe after receiving so many complaints. They gave us no test results, nothing.
@@lisathewhitewolf the containment has to be something g not detected in an ingredient sold to multiple companies. That’s of course possible. But why such isolated cases of symptoms spread over such a large area? Sure, but D excess can dramatically affect one dog and another won’t show any signs at all, even siblings. But there were enough cases to effectively track it pretty quickly. I think the melamine poisoning was unique. I really have no credible source telling me companies knew and withheld disclosing for 3 weeks. Too many companies involved and some do not have the capabilities of a Hills or a Royal Canin to track and test.
I found out why RUclips seems to delete comments. At the top of the Comments section, it says "Sort by." Top Comments is the default. This filters out comments somehow. You have to select "Newest First" to see all comments. Hallelujah!
I literally JUST submitted an FDA report a few hours ago for my cats. All three are sick. Just got back from the vet today with one of mine who was dehydrated. GI symptoms. They all were fed Purina tender selects salmon flavor. My vet thinks it was the food. They don’t eat any treats or anything else except the dry food. They’ve always eaten this specific brand and flavor. I opened the bag Friday and they all started getting sick. They all have loose stools. I had absolutely no idea of the issues until today.
@@neeko4676 like everyone else I hope your kitties get well quick. I know I watch my two pups every day, since they are older, watching for any change and dreading it. I really don’t know what to make of this issue and if there’s a way to figure it out. Tragically it will take a larger number of sick animals to help figure it out.
The fact that Purina didn’t investigate on their own is enough for me to never go back to their food. I have two dogs that were on Proplan 30/20 and then when a new bag was opened got sick. (Nov 23). Switched to Royal Canin and will not ever go back to Purina.
You gotta be careful. I just picked up some chicken fed. Stuff I've been buying for awhile. Guess who owns it? Pruina owns a bunch of different brands. They are part of Nestles. These big corp. are buying up all the food companies. This is to control everything we eat and our pets eat. In fact the WEF doesn't want us owning any pets. 😠
Thank s again for what you do! I feed my dog Purina Pro Plan Sensitive Skin and Stomach both kibble and canned. Minerals are in recommended levels, my one vet in the Vetrinary group feeds her GSD the same.
Those of us whose dogs were increasingly getting sicker eating various types of Purina foods know what misery our pets experienced. I had fed my dog Purina food all of her life (she was 13 yrs old in July) with no issues until a few yrs ago. My only regret is that I didn't suspect the food was the source of her problems initially. For more than a year, she has only eaten food that I prepare at home. No more bad breath, loose stools, vomiting, staring into space, middle-of-the-night excessive panting, or urinary accidents in the house. She's alert and active again, but she also will never eat even a morsel of any kibble, in particular, Purina, again for the rest of her life.
I switched my dog from some crap foid to purina one lamb and rice and he is doing spectacularly well. Hes put on weight, stools back to normal, shiny coat. I had not heard any of this info on food issues so i just bought decent food. Its been 6 weeks and all is very well with my dog. Hes a large breed and weighs 65 lbs.
I have a question, I've been watching your videos for awhile, finally get the point. Started looking into science diet and almost switched. I just wsnt a dependable food for my pets. Sense 2015 there have been multiple recalls with this brand with procedures in place to keep the food safe that didn't work. I'm still feeding fromm for this reason but can you suggest a food without recalls, or very few that give a good nutrition?
@@kilofireb8584 I’m going to assume the Classis is going to be better across the line. I see that with many brands , their older diets being better than new ones.
I read recently in April 2024 there was a voluntary saminela recall. I'm now struggling to find where I read about the older ones may have been misinformation. I asked fromm about the mature classic line and they said again all life stages, but less active dogs. Makes me feel I should leave our senior on the gold formulated for seniors, she's doing well on it, just hoping it's not over working her organs. I may try classic for my boxers and take them off large breed gold. For the better nutrition. It just gets me you think your buying them extra support with the "better lines"
@@kilofireb8584 well I’m still in touch with folks from Hills. I think they would have mentioned it. Plus the anti Hills folks on social media would be all over it. To ease your concern, get a basic senior panel done and include an SDMA test. If normal you’re fine. Both of my senior dogs had bloodwork this year, 10 and 15, and they’re good so that’s reassuring.
Hi glen, great video! This does make me disappointed with Purina that they don’t take the rumors to heart from consumers in a way just to inspect and be sure there were no issues with supply. Makes me question their business ethics. This is unrelated to your video but I have a hills question since you are our go to hills expert :) what is the difference between the commercial perfect weight and the prescription metabolic. The nutrients seem pretty similar and curious what about like the metabolic could make it prescription? Thanks in advance!! I asked hills and the response seemed canned and really didn’t shed light on my question lol
@@ChristineClark-ft8tq well, to be totally honest, even I never got a good answer from Hills! I saw the same great results with the Perfect Weight version and it’s a lot cheaper! I’m sure some dogs/ cats prefer the taste of one over the other.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy thanks for the reply!!! The only conclusion that I came too from the hills reply was that prescription can provide a faster result then the commercial. 21 days vs 10 weeks but they didn’t explain how or what was different in the diets lol. And you are so right about the cost! Perfect weight it is! I guess if my boy has joint or hip problems maybe the prescription offers more or something. But even that was similar in the diets :)
The FDA's criteria is the same for any investigation into dog food etc , we saw the same type of criteria when submitting complaints for the DCM investigation in dog food. The lack of numbers I put back onto the pet owners that are reporting/filing their complaints, its a lengthy process to do this, the expectation is that you provide the necessary documentation etc.
I just adopted a shelter dog 5 wks ago. He was fed Purina Pro plan twice a day. They told me they had to put some wet food on it or he would not eat it. (They put some Little Caesars on it). They gave me a few days supply of it. I never planned keep him on it. During the food transition, my floor was littered with the dry kibbles. I call it prison food. I make all of his food. I went to the butcher today to get some beef liver & chicken hearts to add to the main protein for this weeks batch. He loves his food and it is an investment in his health. And yes, it is supplemented. I did my research.
What’s your opinion on blue buffalo kibble? I’d like to do raw food but I don’t have enough money to do that. Just trying to find the best brand of kibble
@@Badassangel1776 I have a few reviews of Blue Buffalo. I’m not a fan. There nutrient levels, especially in the Wilderness line, definitely aren’t worth the money.
The problem is that ingredients could have been contaminated in the food processing supply. By the time it was found it was already off store shelves and in peoples homes. It gets fed to pets, things happen, but when the investigation is open it's too late because that food is already gone from the supply available for testing. This is why it's imperative to use a high quality pet food from a trust worthy brand that has been shown over time to take the steps necessary for safety. I won't get into what brand our family uses but we have had 0 issues with our pets over the decades and we notice that they are quite healthy and live a long time without issue. You get what you pay for!
I agree . I’m a proud supporter of Purina . I’ve been feeding their product line for decades . Not once have I ever had an issue . You’d think in 50 years I’d have seen a bad bag but nope and I have healthy dogs .
Cats have evolved over time to eat corpses sitting out in the hot sun for untold amounts of time. They will gladly scavenge off corpses that are days old, filled to the brim with disease, and come out fine. Same with dogs. This many animals should not be having significant issues because of minor contamination. Now other things like excess vitamin D, mycotoxins, or something similar, that is a different story.
@@AshleyKarys hey Ashley, I’m assuming you’re meaning Omega 3s? The amount of 3s and 6s varies depending on what they are trying to achieve with the diet. What is it you’re looking for as far as the benefit?
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Hello Glenn! I hope you’re doing well. ☺️ I have a kitty with allergies so I’m trying to increase his Omegas (3&6) as it’s good for the skin and coat. Right now he’s on HSD Oral Care and NOW Fresh Turkey, Salmon & Duck Adult. NOW is a Canadian pet food brand and I mix the two foods together. For wet food I mix it up, but he typically eats HSD sensitive skin and stomach. They have a new duck recipe that I tried and a salmon one that he likes too. I’m willing to try other HSD recipes. But my cats really do like the Oral Care. It’s been a staple in their diet for a while now.
@@AshleyKarys Ashley, I’m trying to keep all that straight! So how many cats are we talking about? lol! So on the Oral Care the cat is scratching? So mixing the two were offering chicken, salmon and duck protein. Protein is usually the allergens having three could be a problem. Yes, omega 3s and 6s are great, 6s for skin and 3s for inflammation. Plus if environmental, build up the skin barrier. But eliminating the source of the allergen is preferred. Have you considered a hydrolyzed or novel ingredient diet? Btw, I know I did a review of Now and Gi and one of them was good. Just can’t remember which one! Having those senior moments more these days!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Hello Glenn. It’s so nice to hear from you. I am happy to try a novel protein diet. Does Hills have one in dry food? I’ve only ever noticed chicken and rice recipes in the pet store.
As someone whose dog got sick during this time period (vomiting a pool of blood with bloody diarrhea at 1 a.m. is NOT normal) I no longer feed any kibble I just don't understand how anyone can think that eating a highly processed dry food for life is good for any living being. Just look at the increased illnesses in our animals. Real food for true health is the ONLY way to go. Even my pigs, rabbits and livestock birds get whole foods. Make your own informed decisions.
@@LynnerdSkinnerd97 well, science has proven we can make a very healthy kibble, to even manage disease, and if the purpose of the process is to deliver specific levels of nutrients, then that processing is good.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Whose science? It is only as good as who is paying for the testing and reporting just like everything else. I'm sorry but there is no substitute for the real thing. Real food from nature whether raw form or lightly cooked to destroy bad bacteria. You may be able to manage disease with garbage, but it is still garbage. People with cancer are told to eat highly processed foods like Ensure to give them nutrients, and that very product is nothing but chemical garbage that feeds the cancer. Kibble is promoted because it is easy to throw into a bowl and to keep on a shelf for a long time. It is a science experiment not food. Our animals can survive on it, but it isn't ideal. It's the same thing going on with the standard American diet. Just full of highly processed products that don't support good health.
On the topic of recalls, I’ve been wanting to switch my cat to Hills because I love the mineral dry matter %s are on point with phosphorus, calcium etc . And I know that will do her better as far as her long term health goes BUT I’m afraid of Hills recall history and afraid of it happening to me when I switch. I would feel so guilty if I switched her food and then got her sick or worse because of a recall . And her long term health doesn’t matter if she don’t even make it to old age. If anyone can put my mind at ease on this or give any advice or thoughts I would much appreciate it . Thank you !
@@brittany3462 well, hills has been making food for over 75 years now and the vitamin D issue in 2019 was their first major screw up. And it affected just canine and just select cans, less than 5% of their inventory. The reason and cause was identified, Hills owned it, and like most companies would, I’m sure they are extra. Are full to not repeat that mistake. I’d say those are pretty good odds to let your cat have the proven excellent nutrient profiles for your cat. Btw, any good involved in the melamine poisoning in 2007 shouldn’t be judged as a normal recall. No one was testing their food to see if it had been poisoned.
There is a Purina dog food plant in my town. It emits the worst smell within a two-mile radius. I'm so glad I didn't drive within that zone when I was pregnant especially because I was driving a new luxury car back then. I would get away from any and all "kibble". Dogs and cats are obligate carnivores. The industry does not allow the process lines to be cleaned with hot soapy water but rather they are cleaned with deadly carcinogenic solvents.
@@featheramericangoodeagle I have heard from others about the smell. I would disagree that all kibble is bad because there is such a wide variety in quality. Also I must disagree with you on dogs being obligate carnivores. Cats are but dogs are not. People who tell you otherwise are selling you something.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy The domesticated dog and horse has had no choice but to adopt to being fed from human hands. Gastrointestinal problems are the result. Dogs are like pigs, they will eat what you give them, but they all come from the wolf, who, supplements his diet with plants, but I would still consider them obligate carnivores because even the big cats eat grass from time to time. In any case, we can agree to disagree on those points, as long as we both agree that Purina should not be fed to chickens, horses, cats, or dogs. I question their integrity with good reason. You cannot take rancid rotting flesh and bake it into something wholesome and beneficial when consumed. Period.
@@Daygomadebrian ProPlan has quite a variety of diets, broader than Euk. I consider the quality pretty similar as far as nutrient profiles but there might be a specific need.
@@natlinhurst687 I can tell you the Large Breed Puppy foods from Hills and Purina are safe. The idea is to control fat and calcium to reduce rapid growth rate in large breed pups. I did a video on large breed puppy food.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy have you looked at Diamond large Breed Adult chicken and rice? When we got our Dane puppy that's what she was being fed. really like your videos and they have been so helpful
Problem was, some were LOOKING to blame Purina for ANYTHING. What started the whole thing was a bag supposedly third party tested to have toxic levels of heavy metals. Even the retest by that SAME LAB showed the bag was actually safe. Then the fb groups were encouraging people to file complaints, even if they weren't feeding it, just to send an overwhelming number of complaints. Some were telling people to NOT test the food. (That's a red flag that they KNEW it wasn't a feed issue and didn't want evidence against it being the food.) And even a confirmed PARVO case was blamed on the food. 🙄 It was a witch hunt by Purina (and kibble in general) haters.
Because Purina dog food is junk its mostly just corn and dead dying and disease animals meats I feed ziwi dog food for past 14 years and my dog had not even went to vet for so sickness just yearly shots I get yearly blood work and it always come back great what it all comes down to is that people wants Starbucks coffee rather than buying better dog food for there dog and cats
Hi Glenn, thank you for sharing this information with us. After following your channel for a year now, I’ve come to realize that the subject of pet food is just as delicate a subject as the subject of religion and politics!!! 🙀🤯- - - On another subject, I want to let you know that I read “A River Passing” in the last few weeks and, just like “A Place in Time”, I really enjoyed it! Both books are beautifully written and a gem to read! They are a wonderful legacy to your children, and grandchildren… I hope to be able to read another book from you in the future…You have a gift…🐶😍🦮
In the EU, Hill's makes a "hypoallergenic" cat formula that is made of egg and insect as animal protein sources and is also grain free. My cat''s digestive issues didn't improve on Hill's Sensitive Stomach & Skin nor Perfect Digestion. Do you think I should try the hypoallergenic formula and sacrifice the most novel protein i.e. insect? I have switched him off Hill's for the moment and have seen some improvement already, but I am waiting for even better improvement. If I am to go back to Hill's, the Hypoallergenic formula would be of my choice, but I'm iffy about using insect protein when he is only 1 year old and could develop food allergies/intolerance in the future.
Two years ago everyone's chickens stopped laying. After a year, most of us found out it was TSC (Dumor?) scratch grains. Two wks after we switched they started laying again. We feed our cats like 3 different Purina brand catfoods & let them choose. A few of our older cats died in the last year, just started losing weight. Vets said can't find anything wrong. Another developed diabetes during same period. Three dogs only like one Purina dogfood, but they changed that about a year ago. I'd give them regular food, but they're picky & can't depend on them eating. Smh. Too many cats to feed by myself, so bowls of dry are left out. They're poisoning our food too, just a slower death. :/
I work at a supermarket and tell customers about Katherine Heigl's new food "BAD LAND RANCH"....my dog is thriving...have been on it over a month and I'm absolutely seeing a healthier little guy.
@@carikshawn4201 I need to research that food. I can tell you 99% of what she says, which I’m sure is a canned pitch, is all misinformation. So I don’t like the fear mongerjng to sell food. But if the food is healthy, your pet doesn’t care about the marketing. The fact your pup does well on it is great but every food has examples of folks saying the same thing so personal recommendations don’t carry much weight. But thanks for the reminder I need to work on that one!
On Monday, we had 4.4 earthquake. No damage, but it put having an earthquake preparedness kit in the spotlight. We are supposed to have enough food and water for each person and pet to last at least 72 hours. Which means, wait for it, kibble. Thanks to Animal Doc Rea, I have chosen Simply Nourish Urinary & Hairball Control cat food. Calcium 0.7%, Phosphorus 0.5%. I hope this didn’t shock you! LOL
Farmina was in the list, I switched my pup from puppy to adult and he started throwing up blood n then at the er he had bloody diarrhea. Switched back to puppy farmina
Here's the thing. I don't feed my dog brands that have had a recall. I feed all from companies that have been in business for a long time, have a great track record, and no recalls. Recalls are a red flag. I did a deep dive on Farmina, and they really check all the boxes. If someone really wants to feed kibble instead of a fresher option, that is my go-to suggestion. They have been in business for over 40 years, their ingredients are human grade, it's formulated by board certified nutritionists (Or better), some of their options are cheap, the synthetics are human-grade, and as naturally derived as possible, they have an amazing method of cold-infusing the kibbles with the fresh vitamins. I could go on, but suffice it to say, I am impressed. Unfortunately it didn't work for my dog, it gave him hives. But I encourage everyone to do a deep dive on a company before feeding your beloved pet. The company should have been in business for over a decade, impeccable track record, no recalls, human-grade ingredients, human-grade synthetics, or even better with no synthetics.
I switched my dog to Farina lamb just a couple weeks ago Since diet 7+ gave him hives, runny eyes and ear infections. He's doing fantastic on it. I like the company, like their standards
I am a proud supporter of Purina . I’ve been feeding their product line for several decades and not once had an issue . I also have healthy dogs . I never stopped feeding their products due to Purina bashing .
I have fed all my dogs Purina one for years and years with absolutely no issues! Someone says something and then other people join in and all of a sudden everyone starts believing it. Its sad. Theres a saying "Oh you saw it on the internet? Then it Must be true!" Lololo
My daughter's two pit bull mix rescues are on a veterinarian recommended diet of dry food mixed with frozen raw. Both dogs recently had a bout of diarrhea. We think it had something to do with the raw food. The vet couldn't say for sure. Just like people, they can get sick or eat something that is bad. Who knows what goes on inside our pets? They can't tell us.
@@edschulhof6303 hey! At my age my GI tract will pull a fast one on me with no apparent reason. Thankfully always temporary. Same with my pups. Bella got stress diarrhea while we were away but stool was perfect ax soon as we got back.
I am also doubtful of government these days as well especially, when it comes to the interests of big business. I think people should continue to report if they have pets where it seems like a clear cut cause and effect. There may be reason for a revisit of this issue by the FDA at some point. The problem I have with the stats collected of dead pets by manufacturer and the fact that almost ALL were reported is that, compared to Purina, the other brands were minuscule. I think there could have been multiple possibilities other than the food. For example. Many manufacturers had a recent formula change (probably cost saving for them as I’ve noticed the addition of even more inferior ingredients in my Friskies). I just don’t think a handful (or less) of animals sick or dead out of that 1300 represented on the chart circulating is enough for the group to tell us to NOT feed any commercial brands. There was a post today of “approved” foods and not only am I doubtful I can find them, I’m sure I can’t afford them. It is good to urge caution and always monitor your fur baby but it’s not fair to scare people into giving up buying food for themselves so they can feed their pets! If you remember me, though, Glen, you know I still consider all of the food on shelves “processed” and still believe deep down that a homemade diet done well with a recipe developed by a reputable nutritionist is the absolute best (wouldnt it be great if there was some money in THAT for companies). But even then it would exceed my budget of cash and energy.
@@Wendy-ce5gd of course I remember you. I totally agree with everything you said. And it’s hard to argue that a completely balanced home cooked diet isn’t the best. Most families just can’t/ won’t do that, for lots of reasons.
I haven't used Purina products in decades. I have dogs, cats, chickens, and horses. None of them gets purina.Not since pets were dying from it yrs. ago and their ingredients were awful for pet health
@@cindyshirah1976 hey Cindy! I think you’re talking about AGE’s. It’s very interesting but quite a new debate. It appears the only people discussing it are those with an agenda against kibble. I know they are wrong when they say high heat kills nutrients so I don’t trust their endorsement of this new question of AFE’s. How real is it? How harmful is it? Way too many questions unanswered for me to have an opinion.
Why would the FDA fo to the expense of a review if they were going to do a cover up? Why 25:34 woujd they cover up for Purina? Ifvthey wanted to cover the issue up, surely they would just ignore the claims. It's not as if they'd been promoting Purina.
Really? You trust the government regulatory agencies? Not implying it would be intentional but something like this is difficult to trace when it comes to pets unless it’s a multi dog/cat family with all healthy pets who all ate the same food of a new batch who also kept the bag info, went t9 the vet who suspected food related, AND reported. Most people would not meet all those requirements. Plus some animals may have felt ill and hid it, or simply refused the food. It’s not like people and the listeria outbreak
Because it’s all big money related. Please look at how much money purina makes!!! They don’t care about your pets! And I’m sure they have persuasion powers over the FDA findings.
More than 40 years ago I stopped feeding Purina because my basset hound had horrible skin issues. Long story short, after the vet suggested we put her down (she was truly miserable) I said no and looked for another solution. Found a book about homecooked pet food and within 3 weeks had her on home cooked. The skin issue cleared up very quickly and never returned. I never stopped learning. I never fed dry food again without careful analyisis of the contents and I will not feed grain-based anything. I feed ground meat and bones today (Billinghurst) and the 7 dogs that followed never ate grain based dry food again. I do see dogs that do well on Purina and dogs that don't do well on it.
I’ll never trust Purina. They’ve got so much money they can just pay their way out of recalls. A lot of dog show handlers swear by Purina , but most I’m guessing aren’t feeding the formulas that are mostly corn, wheat, soy and “meat and bone meal” which is basically any kind of animal meat . Also Purina sponsors a lot of handlers and dog shows. Whatever I’ll never feed that crap, I like my dogs healthy and alive.
@@julie37029 well I can’t agree that the whole Purina product line is crappy. Some diets they make, across their many lines, actually deliver some excellent nutrient levels, others do not.
'everything negative'... sorry to say but its literally impossible to not find pesticides or heavy metals in most any food today. they did not do a thorough or sensitive enough test.
@@fubar4fpv well not my first choice but millions do and their pets do really well. Many of their diets I’ve looked at have excellent nutrient levels. But many agree with you, that’s for sure.
Welcome Back Glenn! This whole Purina thing just got blown way out of proportion. that group (yes we all know which one) who let's face it is incredibly bias and they have a hatred of ALL kibble, is where the big majority (if not all) the complaints come from. It started out with just Purina then all of a sudden there was a black list with numerous brands listed that were associated with sick or deceased pets. things just did not make sense! Then you had Judy Morgan continually fear mongering and spreading misinformation urging people to stop feeding anything Purina. The whole thing did not make ANY sense. Then she spread a rumour that Purina was being pulled from the shelves and all the food was being put on to trucks and being dumped at landfill?? Yet again more misinformation. She then proceeded to show a picture of a empty petfood shelve as proof. The problem here is i'm Australian and i knew where that picture had come from! It come from a petfood store called "petstock" who were no longer selling pro plan simply because it did not sell and they wanted to make room for their own brand of food. (this was long before the Purina scare) But Judy had people believe this was from the US and was proof that Purina was being recalled. Outright deceiving people to push her own narrative. They had vets come on and say they had never had any issues with clients feeding Purina and never had any sick pets come in from eating Purina, But again these vets were shot down and called liars. At the end of the day those who choose to believe Judy will take this report with a grain of salt. To me this is and always was nothing more then a conspiracy to bring down Purina and other brands of kibble. I feel for the people who have lost pets, And maybe in their desperate attempt to "blame" someone the food was a easy target and that group just sealed the deal. It's devastating to loose a pet after all they become such large parts of our lives, But sometimes we need to look beyond social media for answers and look towards the experts which are qualified to give those answers.. VETS.
My exact thoughts. Plus she and the other moderators in that group were telling people NOT to send Purina the food, vet reports… etc. That is why they only had 100+ reports with the criteria they needed. I was in that group for a short while just to find out what was going on. It was scary. Moderators telling scared pet parents to stop feeding their pets the prescription food the vet recommended, to ignore their vets advice and find a holistic vet. I knew in my heart from the beginning this was all exaggerated by this Facebook group. A large pet food producer like Purina would readily recall a food if the found a problem. They would not jeopardize their business.
@@StephanieStoudt-uv8nv It’s outrageous dangerous! They use scare tactics on these poor pet parents and make them believe they have harmed their pet. It’s disgusting! Some dogs on prescription diets can get extremely sick with a diet change and especially one that’s stopped cold turkey. But not to worry because “Dr” Morgan will save the day with her website bursting with remedies, supplements and recipes 😒 I’ve always said “feed the dog in front of you” it’s honestly that simple. I understand others may have different ideas on what’s good and what’s not but shaming someone for what they feed then using fear to make them believe it’s that food that’s killing them is shockingly irresponsible and hateful and nobody should ever have to deal with that.
@@Dannielle_Lola your comments are always so spot on! Thank you! American thrives on misinformation and exaggerating everything to suit our agenda. We are in the process of destroying our country with it, but I’ll stick to pet nutrition! lol! I appreciate you always adding to the discussion!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuyhehe I follow a lot of what goes on in the US (my brother in law is originally from Georgia) So I understand your frustration and concerns.
On another note, I am disappointed in Dr. Morgan's support of Viva Raw after they caused the death of at least one dog, and lots of reports of sick pets. A company who is unethical is simply unethical no matter what form of food they sell. Viva Raw is just as much of a greedy bastard as Hills, Purina, and royal canin etc.
@@S070-g8q I did a review of Viva, not very impressive nutrient profiles. I heard of their recall but I don’t know what happened. I’m fine with extremely rare recalls. Tell me how it happened and what they’re doing to prevent it from happening again. Old Roy has never had a recall! Doesn’t mean it’s a good food! Those greedy bastards like Hills, who just built a 22 million dollars facility to study small breed canine nutrition. Why don’t other food companies do that? And for decades those bastards have been paying for every stone sample sent into the MN Utility Center by practicing vets, so research can be done with more data… why don’t other companies do that? Those greedy bastards work with humane societies across the country and feed over 100, 000 shelter pets a year. What other companies do that? I would love for food companies to pay for all that and valuable research too! Don’t you?
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy About the nutrient profiles, I am not too worried about it for fresh food, as long as it at least meets AAFCO minimums. They had 2 recalls. One in January, and one in July. As of November, 2023 they knew about their food being tested positive for salmonella, and that it caused the death of a dog. the owner of the dog paid a ton of money to have it tested, and it came back positive. The FDA took all of her sealed, frozen Viva packs and tested those as well. Those came back positive and caused the recall. Viva refused to take responsibility for the death of her dog, swept it under the rug, and sent out messages to many social media influencers on what to say and what not to say. They also had many cases of sick dogs, but no one else had the resources to test the product. They tried to play it off that no one else complained about it. They tried to pay the owner to be silent, and instead of admitting their mistake and doing a recall in a timely manner, they consulted with a few lawyers and refused to reimburse the dog owner for her lost pet, and vet, and testing bills, which amounted to many thousands of dollars. They refused to reimburse her unless she signed a document that she could not say anything publicly, or sue them. You can check out the full story on insta @Hera_her_story. Extremely rare recalls are also acceptable, but of course that is NOT the only criteria I have obviously. Hills makes BILLIONS of dollars each year. They can afford to scatter some crumbs for the poor dogs here and there to keep up their PR.
Why not feed your dog potato chips just as good for the dog as kibble. I feed my dog raw food no kibble watch "pet fooled" video on you tube. Dog are carnivores can not digest carbs.
@@RandyIngram-ej9fd actually, if you looked at the nutrients delivered in a potato chip vs the nutrients delivered in a quality kibble, you would not make such a statement. If you’re judging all foods and companies by pet fooled, you’re the one being fooled. Dogs can indeed absorb protein, fatty acids, fiber and certain minerals in carbs, nevermind energy. Those are nutritional facts board certified vet nutritionists would tell you. RUclips celebrities will tell you what you’re believing. Keep researching!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy I work for a nutritional supplement company that makes dog chews, I do may research do dogs have amylase enzymes or any to breakdown vegetables. The vets promotion comes from whoever pays them. Carbs are bad for humans let alone for dogs. My dog and I are both carnivores, no carbs in the diet, best shape I have been in my life.
@@RandyIngram-ej9fd Randy, you’ve already established you get your info from documentaries like Petfooled and consider kibble if any company to be the equivalent of potato chips. You need to expand your research. How ironic you work for a Treat company. Do you consider your treats healthy? Great you like the carnivore diet! For me life is too short to not enjoy carbs!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy I get my information from Dr. Becker (vet) ,Dr Shawn Baker, and Travis Einertson another vet. If you enjoy diabetes, skin issues and many other issues that come from a high carb diet both in dogs and humans enjoy. I am 61 years young never felt better in my life physical and mental f them carbs.
I feed Purina products for several decades with zero issues . That Facebook group was full of fanatics. I watched the extremisms in what they came out with . Those that sold their own products as in boutique foods otc vitamins etc through that group greatly increased their products . They had ulterior motives.
So if it's safe, why were truckloads of new food being thrown out by the manufacturers? Why did my own dog have seizures (which the vet believed was epilepsy, but now she's completely off the meds with no further seizures unless she gets the bag that caused it)? Why were hundreds of pets dead after a day or two of a new bag being opened?
They took so goddamn long to start investigating that most of the evidence was gone. What if it was something that would have degraded by that time?
Why was the FDA DENYING FOIA requests?
It was suspected that the contaminant might be something most labs do not test for, potentially a pesticide based on symptoms.
I smell a rat. Honestly I think the FDA is being paid to keep it quiet...
@@lisathewhitewolf I read somewhere the truckloads of food was a scam promoted by Dr Judy Morgan and it was one store discontinuing a brand to make room for another. Retailers cannot return food to manufactures. I really don’t know what’s true. Your other points are the points I expected people to say and are somewhat valid. Is there truth somewhere between total denial and exaggeration? Possibly. Thanks for your feedback!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuyI have to wonder, if some of the claims really were the food, and only 1% or so if adverse events get reported, and there really is nothing "abnormal" about the food...how many pets are actually dying on a daily basis from this stuff? It's scary.
I really don't think it's a scam. She didn't have any money in it and on the contrary dumped thousands of her own into testing.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuyMy dog actually had issues from Wellness grain-free. It wasn't Purina. But I know for a fact it was that because every seizure was within a half hour after feeding her. When I stopped giving it to her, the seizures stopped. Couple months later I gave her the food again and bam, another seizure (and she didn't stop having twitches all day after that, poor girl. And this was while she was on her seizure meds.) She's been off those meds since February and there hasn't been a single seizure. Whatever it was, it affected multiple brands, but I'm thinking Wellness actually jumped on it right away instead of trying to claim it was safe.
You know when the whole melamine thing happened, they waited THREE WEEKS after they knew what the issue was to report it? And there was no consequence for this?
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuyI agree that the truth may be somewhere in the middle. But even if it's completely incorrect and there was nothing actually wrong, It doesn't excuse the fact that the company took no steps to truly confirm their food was safe after receiving so many complaints. They gave us no test results, nothing.
@@lisathewhitewolf the containment has to be something g not detected in an ingredient sold to multiple companies. That’s of course possible. But why such isolated cases of symptoms spread over such a large area? Sure, but D excess can dramatically affect one dog and another won’t show any signs at all, even siblings. But there were enough cases to effectively track it pretty quickly. I think the melamine poisoning was unique. I really have no credible source telling me companies knew and withheld disclosing for 3 weeks. Too many companies involved and some do not have the capabilities of a Hills or a Royal Canin to track and test.
I found out why RUclips seems to delete comments. At the top of the Comments section, it says "Sort by." Top Comments is the default. This filters out comments somehow. You have to select "Newest First" to see all comments. Hallelujah!
I literally JUST submitted an FDA report a few hours ago for my cats. All three are sick. Just got back from the vet today with one of mine who was dehydrated. GI symptoms. They all were fed Purina tender selects salmon flavor. My vet thinks it was the food. They don’t eat any treats or anything else except the dry food. They’ve always eaten this specific brand and flavor. I opened the bag Friday and they all started getting sick. They all have loose stools. I had absolutely no idea of the issues until today.
I hope your kitties are feeling better soon
@@TJ-kz1ulI do too! I had no idea about the Purina complaints until today after needing to take one into the vet 😢
O.m. gosh I hope your fur babies are OK im crying reading this. Some babies are sensitive to food mine are no good with royal canin
All fish has mercury in it. Neither you nor your cats should be eating a lot of fish!
@@neeko4676 like everyone else I hope your kitties get well quick. I know I watch my two pups every day, since they are older, watching for any change and dreading it. I really don’t know what to make of this issue and if there’s a way to figure it out. Tragically it will take a larger number of sick animals to help figure it out.
The fact that Purina didn’t investigate on their own is enough for me to never go back to their food. I have two dogs that were on Proplan 30/20 and then when a new bag was opened got sick. (Nov 23). Switched to Royal Canin and will not ever go back to Purina.
@@wendyscott3250 we all have to make those decisions. It’s getting so hard to make informed decisions.
You gotta be careful. I just picked up some chicken fed. Stuff I've been buying for awhile. Guess who owns it? Pruina owns a bunch of different brands. They are part of Nestles. These big corp. are buying up all the food companies. This is to control everything we eat and our pets eat. In fact the WEF doesn't want us owning any pets. 😠
Thank s again for what you do! I feed my dog Purina Pro Plan Sensitive Skin and Stomach both kibble and canned. Minerals are in recommended levels, my one vet in the Vetrinary group feeds her GSD the same.
Those of us whose dogs were increasingly getting sicker eating various types of Purina foods know what misery our pets experienced. I had fed my dog Purina food all of her life (she was 13 yrs old in July) with no issues until a few yrs ago. My only regret is that I didn't suspect the food was the source of her problems initially. For more than a year, she has only eaten food that I prepare at home. No more bad breath, loose stools, vomiting, staring into space, middle-of-the-night excessive panting, or urinary accidents in the house. She's alert and active again, but she also will never eat even a morsel of any kibble, in particular, Purina, again for the rest of her life.
@@Saoirse-xt7mi your pup is blessed to have you!
I switched my dog from some crap foid to purina one lamb and rice and he is doing spectacularly well. Hes put on weight, stools back to normal, shiny coat. I had not heard any of this info on food issues so i just bought decent food. Its been 6 weeks and all is very well with my dog. Hes a large breed and weighs 65 lbs.
@@catincanada6289 there are millions of pet on Purina doing very well.
I have a question, I've been watching your videos for awhile, finally get the point. Started looking into science diet and almost switched. I just wsnt a dependable food for my pets. Sense 2015 there have been multiple recalls with this brand with procedures in place to keep the food safe that didn't work. I'm still feeding fromm for this reason but can you suggest a food without recalls, or very few that give a good nutrition?
I actually just watched your fromm video. Can you compare fromm mature classic vs fromm gold senior? Which is better for a senior dog? Please!
@@kilofireb8584 I’m going to assume the Classis is going to be better across the line. I see that with many brands , their older diets being better than new ones.
@@kilofireb8584 I was a rep with Hills till 2022. We had our terrible vit D recall in 2019. What others from 2015 on?
I read recently in April 2024 there was a voluntary saminela recall. I'm now struggling to find where I read about the older ones may have been misinformation.
I asked fromm about the mature classic line and they said again all life stages, but less active dogs. Makes me feel I should leave our senior on the gold formulated for seniors, she's doing well on it, just hoping it's not over working her organs.
I may try classic for my boxers and take them off large breed gold. For the better nutrition.
It just gets me you think your buying them extra support with the "better lines"
@@kilofireb8584 well I’m still in touch with folks from Hills. I think they would have mentioned it. Plus the anti Hills folks on social media would be all over it.
To ease your concern, get a basic senior panel done and include an SDMA test. If normal you’re fine. Both of my senior dogs had bloodwork this year, 10 and 15, and they’re good so that’s reassuring.
Hi glen, great video! This does make me disappointed with Purina that they don’t take the rumors to heart from consumers in a way just to inspect and be sure there were no issues with supply. Makes me question their business ethics. This is unrelated to your video but I have a hills question since you are our go to hills expert :) what is the difference between the commercial perfect weight and the prescription metabolic. The nutrients seem pretty similar and curious what about like the metabolic could make it prescription? Thanks in advance!! I asked hills and the response seemed canned and really didn’t shed light on my question lol
@@ChristineClark-ft8tq well, to be totally honest, even I never got a good answer from Hills! I saw the same great results with the Perfect Weight version and it’s a lot cheaper! I’m sure some dogs/ cats prefer the taste of one over the other.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy thanks for the reply!!! The only conclusion that I came too from the hills reply was that prescription can provide a faster result then the commercial. 21 days vs 10 weeks but they didn’t explain how or what was different in the diets lol. And you are so right about the cost! Perfect weight it is! I guess if my boy has joint or hip problems maybe the prescription offers more or something. But even that was similar in the diets :)
Looking g forward to Dr. Judy’s response to the study release!
@@Wendy-ce5gd oh she’ll tear it apart and say Purina paid off the FDA vets.
Yes I was sure she would have done so by now
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy I’ll bet money on it 🤣
she’ll 💯 say that lol
All the food that she sent to be tested at independent labs came back as nothing found
The FDA's criteria is the same for any investigation into dog food etc , we saw the same type of criteria when submitting complaints for the DCM investigation in dog food. The lack of numbers I put back onto the pet owners that are reporting/filing their complaints, its a lengthy process to do this, the expectation is that you provide the necessary documentation etc.
I just adopted a shelter dog 5 wks ago. He was fed Purina Pro plan twice a day. They told me they had to put some wet food on it or he would not eat it. (They put some Little Caesars on it). They gave me a few days supply of it. I never planned keep him on it. During the food transition, my floor was littered with the dry kibbles. I call it prison food. I make all of his food. I went to the butcher today to get some beef liver & chicken hearts to add to the main protein for this weeks batch. He loves his food and it is an investment in his health. And yes, it is supplemented. I did my research.
@@delaville680 it’s all in the balance of nutrients. Get that right and you’re doing it perfectly.
What’s your opinion on blue buffalo kibble? I’d like to do raw food but I don’t have enough money to do that. Just trying to find the best brand of kibble
@@Badassangel1776 I have a few reviews of Blue Buffalo. I’m not a fan. There nutrient levels, especially in the Wilderness line, definitely aren’t worth the money.
The problem is that ingredients could have been contaminated in the food processing supply. By the time it was found it was already off store shelves and in peoples homes. It gets fed to pets, things happen, but when the investigation is open it's too late because that food is already gone from the supply available for testing. This is why it's imperative to use a high quality pet food from a trust worthy brand that has been shown over time to take the steps necessary for safety. I won't get into what brand our family uses but we have had 0 issues with our pets over the decades and we notice that they are quite healthy and live a long time without issue. You get what you pay for!
I agree . I’m a proud supporter of Purina . I’ve been feeding their product line for decades . Not once have I ever had an issue . You’d think in 50 years I’d have seen a bad bag but nope and I have healthy dogs .
Cats have evolved over time to eat corpses sitting out in the hot sun for untold amounts of time. They will gladly scavenge off corpses that are days old, filled to the brim with disease, and come out fine. Same with dogs. This many animals should not be having significant issues because of minor contamination. Now other things like excess vitamin D, mycotoxins, or something similar, that is a different story.
Hello Glenn,
I have a question for you if I may. Which Hills Science Diet cat food has the highest amount of Omegas?
@@AshleyKarys hey Ashley, I’m assuming you’re meaning Omega 3s? The amount of 3s and 6s varies depending on what they are trying to achieve with the diet. What is it you’re looking for as far as the benefit?
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Hello Glenn! I hope you’re doing well. ☺️ I have a kitty with allergies so I’m trying to increase his Omegas (3&6) as it’s good for the skin and coat. Right now he’s on HSD Oral Care and NOW Fresh Turkey, Salmon & Duck Adult. NOW is a Canadian pet food brand and I mix the two foods together. For wet food I mix it up, but he typically eats HSD sensitive skin and stomach. They have a new duck recipe that I tried and a salmon one that he likes too. I’m willing to try other HSD recipes. But my cats really do like the Oral Care. It’s been a staple in their diet for a while now.
@@AshleyKarys Ashley, I’m trying to keep all that straight! So how many cats are we talking about? lol! So on the Oral Care the cat is scratching? So mixing the two were offering chicken, salmon and duck protein. Protein is usually the allergens having three could be a problem. Yes, omega 3s and 6s are great, 6s for skin and 3s for inflammation. Plus if environmental, build up the skin barrier. But eliminating the source of the allergen is preferred. Have you considered a hydrolyzed or novel ingredient diet? Btw, I know I did a review of Now and Gi and one of them was good. Just can’t remember which one! Having those senior moments more these days!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Hello Glenn. It’s so nice to hear from you. I am happy to try a novel protein diet. Does Hills have one in dry food? I’ve only ever noticed chicken and rice recipes in the pet store.
@@AshleyKarys the only true novel ingredient diets Hills makes are Prescription. I think I’d try a hydrolyzed diet first.
As someone whose dog got sick during this time period (vomiting a pool of blood with bloody diarrhea at 1 a.m. is NOT normal) I no longer feed any kibble I just don't understand how anyone can think that eating a highly processed dry food for life is good for any living being. Just look at the increased illnesses in our animals. Real food for true health is the ONLY way to go. Even my pigs, rabbits and livestock birds get whole foods. Make your own informed decisions.
@@LynnerdSkinnerd97 well, science has proven we can make a very healthy kibble, to even manage disease, and if the purpose of the process is to deliver specific levels of nutrients, then that processing is good.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Whose science? It is only as good as who is paying for the testing and reporting just like everything else. I'm sorry but there is no substitute for the real thing. Real food from nature whether raw form or lightly cooked to destroy bad bacteria. You may be able to manage disease with garbage, but it is still garbage. People with cancer are told to eat highly processed foods like Ensure to give them nutrients, and that very product is nothing but chemical garbage that feeds the cancer. Kibble is promoted because it is easy to throw into a bowl and to keep on a shelf for a long time. It is a science experiment not food. Our animals can survive on it, but it isn't ideal. It's the same thing going on with the standard American diet. Just full of highly processed products that don't support good health.
On the topic of recalls, I’ve been wanting to switch my cat to Hills because I love the mineral dry matter %s are on point with phosphorus, calcium etc . And I know that will do her better as far as her long term health goes BUT I’m afraid of Hills recall history and afraid of it happening to me when I switch. I would feel so guilty if I switched her food and then got her sick or worse because of a recall . And her long term health doesn’t matter if she don’t even make it to old age. If anyone can put my mind at ease on this or give any advice or thoughts I would much appreciate it . Thank you !
@@brittany3462 well, hills has been making food for over 75 years now and the vitamin D issue in 2019 was their first major screw up. And it affected just canine and just select cans, less than 5% of their inventory. The reason and cause was identified, Hills owned it, and like most companies would, I’m sure they are extra. Are full to not repeat that mistake. I’d say those are pretty good odds to let your cat have the proven excellent nutrient profiles for your cat. Btw, any good involved in the melamine poisoning in 2007 shouldn’t be judged as a normal recall. No one was testing their food to see if it had been poisoned.
There is a Purina dog food plant in my town. It emits the worst smell within a two-mile radius. I'm so glad I didn't drive within that zone when I was pregnant especially because I was driving a new luxury car back then. I would get away from any and all "kibble". Dogs and cats are obligate carnivores. The industry does not allow the process lines to be cleaned with hot soapy water but rather they are cleaned with deadly carcinogenic solvents.
@@featheramericangoodeagle I have heard from others about the smell. I would disagree that all kibble is bad because there is such a wide variety in quality. Also I must disagree with you on dogs being obligate carnivores. Cats are but dogs are not. People who tell you otherwise are selling you something.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy The domesticated dog and horse has had no choice but to adopt to being fed from human hands. Gastrointestinal problems are the result. Dogs are like pigs, they will eat what you give them, but they all come from the wolf, who, supplements his diet with plants, but I would still consider them obligate carnivores because even the big cats eat grass from time to time. In any case, we can agree to disagree on those points, as long as we both agree that Purina should not be fed to chickens, horses, cats, or dogs. I question their integrity with good reason. You cannot take rancid rotting flesh and bake it into something wholesome and beneficial when consumed. Period.
Is eukanuba better then pro plan ?
@@Daygomadebrian ProPlan has quite a variety of diets, broader than Euk. I consider the quality pretty similar as far as nutrient profiles but there might be a specific need.
Any reviews for great dane puppy food?
@@natlinhurst687 I can tell you the Large Breed Puppy foods from Hills and Purina are safe. The idea is to control fat and calcium to reduce rapid growth rate in large breed pups. I did a video on large breed puppy food.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy have you looked at Diamond large Breed Adult chicken and rice? When we got our Dane puppy that's what she was being fed. really like your videos and they have been so helpful
Problem was, some were LOOKING to blame Purina for ANYTHING. What started the whole thing was a bag supposedly third party tested to have toxic levels of heavy metals. Even the retest by that SAME LAB showed the bag was actually safe. Then the fb groups were encouraging people to file complaints, even if they weren't feeding it, just to send an overwhelming number of complaints. Some were telling people to NOT test the food. (That's a red flag that they KNEW it wasn't a feed issue and didn't want evidence against it being the food.) And even a confirmed PARVO case was blamed on the food. 🙄 It was a witch hunt by Purina (and kibble in general) haters.
Because Purina dog food is junk its mostly just corn and dead dying and disease animals meats
I feed ziwi dog food for past 14 years and my dog had not even went to vet for so sickness just yearly shots I get yearly blood work and it always come back great what it all comes down to is that people wants Starbucks coffee rather than buying better dog food for there dog and cats
100% agree.
I said from the start this would turn out to be B.S spearheaded by fear mongers.
Purina is based in Missouri. As a Kansas Jayhawk, I would NEVER buy from those copperheads! LOL
I was in that crazy group full of nut bar fanatics. They booted anyone that didn’t blindly agree . If you dared asked for proof you were banned
Hi Glenn, thank you for sharing this information with us. After following your channel for a year now, I’ve come to realize that the subject of pet food is just as delicate a subject as the subject of religion and politics!!! 🙀🤯- - - On another subject, I want to let you know that I read “A River Passing” in the last few weeks and, just like “A Place in Time”, I really enjoyed it! Both books are beautifully written and a gem to read! They are a wonderful legacy to your children, and grandchildren… I hope to be able to read another book from you in the future…You have a gift…🐶😍🦮
@@ChristineB9046 thank you so much for the encouraging words. You’re so sweet. Oh I so want to comment on politics but need to stay on mission!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy 🐶🥰🐕🦺
In the EU, Hill's makes a "hypoallergenic" cat formula that is made of egg and insect as animal protein sources and is also grain free. My cat''s digestive issues didn't improve on Hill's Sensitive Stomach & Skin nor Perfect Digestion. Do you think I should try the hypoallergenic formula and sacrifice the most novel protein i.e. insect? I have switched him off Hill's for the moment and have seen some improvement already, but I am waiting for even better improvement. If I am to go back to Hill's, the Hypoallergenic formula would be of my choice, but I'm iffy about using insect protein when he is only 1 year old and could develop food allergies/intolerance in the future.
Two years ago everyone's chickens stopped laying. After a year, most of us found out it was TSC (Dumor?) scratch grains. Two wks after we switched they started laying again. We feed our cats like 3 different Purina brand catfoods & let them choose. A few of our older cats died in the last year, just started losing weight. Vets said can't find anything wrong. Another developed diabetes during same period. Three dogs only like one Purina dogfood, but they changed that about a year ago. I'd give them regular food, but they're picky & can't depend on them eating. Smh. Too many cats to feed by myself, so bowls of dry are left out. They're poisoning our food too, just a slower death. :/
@@theresam567 so sorry about your losses. I actually do believe the foods we are eating are often worse than pet foods.
This has spurred us to switch to raw for ours.
@@susancoyotesfan raw is fine but it needs to be balanced by a real board certified nutritionist, not a RUclips celebrity.
We did too.
I work at a supermarket and tell customers about Katherine Heigl's new food "BAD LAND RANCH"....my dog is thriving...have been on it over a month and I'm absolutely seeing a healthier little guy.
@@carikshawn4201 I need to research that food. I can tell you 99% of what she says, which I’m sure is a canned pitch, is all misinformation. So I don’t like the fear mongerjng to sell food. But if the food is healthy, your pet doesn’t care about the marketing. The fact your pup does well on it is great but every food has examples of folks saying the same thing so personal recommendations don’t carry much weight. But thanks for the reminder I need to work on that one!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Her food is very expensive. But she's super good looking, so who cares, right? LOL
On Monday, we had 4.4 earthquake. No damage, but it put having an earthquake preparedness kit in the spotlight. We are supposed to have enough food and water for each person and pet to last at least 72 hours. Which means, wait for it, kibble. Thanks to Animal Doc Rea, I have chosen Simply Nourish Urinary & Hairball Control cat food. Calcium 0.7%, Phosphorus 0.5%. I hope this didn’t shock you! LOL
@@edschulhof6303 that’s gonna cause another earthquake!!!!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy That might aftershock you! LOL
Farmina was in the list, I switched my pup from puppy to adult and he started throwing up blood n then at the er he had bloody diarrhea. Switched back to puppy farmina
@@hazehaze0 those kind of events are so scary and I can’t explain them. Way above my pay grade!
Here's the thing. I don't feed my dog brands that have had a recall. I feed all from companies that have been in business for a long time, have a great track record, and no recalls. Recalls are a red flag. I did a deep dive on Farmina, and they really check all the boxes. If someone really wants to feed kibble instead of a fresher option, that is my go-to suggestion. They have been in business for over 40 years, their ingredients are human grade, it's formulated by board certified nutritionists (Or better), some of their options are cheap, the synthetics are human-grade, and as naturally derived as possible, they have an amazing method of cold-infusing the kibbles with the fresh vitamins. I could go on, but suffice it to say, I am impressed. Unfortunately it didn't work for my dog, it gave him hives. But I encourage everyone to do a deep dive on a company before feeding your beloved pet. The company should have been in business for over a decade, impeccable track record, no recalls, human-grade ingredients, human-grade synthetics, or even better with no synthetics.
I switched my dog to Farina lamb just a couple weeks ago Since diet 7+ gave him hives, runny eyes and ear infections. He's doing fantastic on it. I like the company, like their standards
I am a proud supporter of Purina . I’ve been feeding their product line for several decades and not once had an issue . I also have healthy dogs . I never stopped feeding their products due to Purina bashing .
@@janetjohnson6897 there’s millions of folks who agree with you.
I have fed all my dogs Purina one for years and years with absolutely no issues! Someone says something and then other people join in and all of a sudden everyone starts believing it. Its sad. Theres a saying "Oh you saw it on the internet? Then it Must be true!" Lololo
@@anitahardesty2163 that’s about right!
My daughter's two pit bull mix rescues are on a veterinarian recommended diet of dry food mixed with frozen raw. Both dogs recently had a bout of diarrhea. We think it had something to do with the raw food. The vet couldn't say for sure. Just like people, they can get sick or eat something that is bad. Who knows what goes on inside our pets? They can't tell us.
@@edschulhof6303 hey! At my age my GI tract will pull a fast one on me with no apparent reason. Thankfully always temporary. Same with my pups. Bella got stress diarrhea while we were away but stool was perfect ax soon as we got back.
I am also doubtful of government these days as well especially, when it comes to the interests of big business. I think people should continue to report if they have pets where it seems like a clear cut cause and effect. There may be reason for a revisit of this issue by the FDA at some point.
The problem I have with the stats collected of dead pets by manufacturer and the fact that almost ALL were reported is that, compared to Purina, the other brands were minuscule. I think there could have been multiple possibilities other than the food. For example. Many manufacturers had a recent formula change (probably cost saving for them as I’ve noticed the addition of even more inferior ingredients in my Friskies). I just don’t think a handful (or less) of animals sick or dead out of that 1300 represented on the chart circulating is enough for the group to tell us to NOT feed any commercial brands. There was a post today of “approved” foods and not only am I doubtful I can find them, I’m sure I can’t afford them.
It is good to urge caution and always monitor your fur baby but it’s not fair to scare people into giving up buying food for themselves so they can feed their pets!
If you remember me, though, Glen, you know I still consider all of the food on shelves “processed” and still believe deep down that a homemade diet done well with a recipe developed by a reputable nutritionist is the absolute best (wouldnt it be great if there was some money in THAT for companies). But even then it would exceed my budget of cash and energy.
@@Wendy-ce5gd of course I remember you. I totally agree with everything you said. And it’s hard to argue that a completely balanced home cooked diet isn’t the best. Most families just can’t/ won’t do that, for lots of reasons.
I haven't used Purina products in decades. I have dogs, cats, chickens, and horses. None of them gets purina.Not since pets were dying from it yrs. ago and their ingredients were awful for pet health
Hello, does the pet food puzzle?Guy have information and education about the high high heat.Chemical change that supposed to be bad for dogs?
@@cindyshirah1976 hey Cindy! I think you’re talking about AGE’s. It’s very interesting but quite a new debate. It appears the only people discussing it are those with an agenda against kibble. I know they are wrong when they say high heat kills nutrients so I don’t trust their endorsement of this new question of AFE’s. How real is it? How harmful is it? Way too many questions unanswered for me to have an opinion.
Why would the FDA fo to the expense of a review if they were going to do a cover up? Why 25:34 woujd they cover up for Purina? Ifvthey wanted to cover the issue up, surely they would just ignore the claims. It's not as if they'd been promoting Purina.
Really? You trust the government regulatory agencies? Not implying it would be intentional but something like this is difficult to trace when it comes to pets unless it’s a multi dog/cat family with all healthy pets who all ate the same food of a new batch who also kept the bag info, went t9 the vet who suspected food related, AND reported. Most people would not meet all those requirements. Plus some animals may have felt ill and hid it, or simply refused the food. It’s not like people and the listeria outbreak
Because it’s all big money related. Please look at how much money purina makes!!! They don’t care about your pets! And I’m sure they have persuasion powers over the FDA findings.
Isn’t theirs a science diet to? I really hope Hills doesn’t have this as that’s what I feed!
@@Montessori_Motherhood not sure what you’re talking about.
Good video, Thank you.
More than 40 years ago I stopped feeding Purina because my basset hound had horrible skin issues. Long story short, after the vet suggested we put her down (she was truly miserable) I said no and looked for another solution. Found a book about homecooked pet food and within 3 weeks had her on home cooked. The skin issue cleared up very quickly and never returned. I never stopped learning. I never fed dry food again without careful analyisis of the contents and I will not feed grain-based anything. I feed ground meat and bones today (Billinghurst) and the 7 dogs that followed never ate grain based dry food again. I do see dogs that do well on Purina and dogs that don't do well on it.
@@lightseeker2242 glad you found what works for you. As you said, there are dogs that do really well on certain diets and others that do horribly.
I’ll never trust Purina. They’ve got so much money they can just pay their way out of recalls. A lot of dog show handlers swear by Purina , but most I’m guessing aren’t feeding the formulas that are mostly corn, wheat, soy and “meat and bone meal” which is basically any kind of animal meat . Also Purina sponsors a lot of handlers and dog shows. Whatever I’ll never feed that crap, I like my dogs healthy and alive.
Amen to that!
Its just a crappy processed food in general. Who knows what might be in it that was not tested for?
@@julie37029 well I can’t agree that the whole Purina product line is crappy. Some diets they make, across their many lines, actually deliver some excellent nutrient levels, others do not.
'everything negative'... sorry to say but its literally impossible to not find pesticides or heavy metals in most any food today. they did not do a thorough or sensitive enough test.
who the hell would feed their loved one Purina to begin with
@@fubar4fpv well not my first choice but millions do and their pets do really well. Many of their diets I’ve looked at have excellent nutrient levels. But many agree with you, that’s for sure.
I switched from kirkland to purina pro plan. Dogs are still alive😂
@@lawncaremadeeasy3183 lol! And the fact is if you switched your dog from ProPlan to Kirkland… they’d still be alive!
Welcome Back Glenn!
This whole Purina thing just got blown way out of proportion.
that group (yes we all know which one) who let's face it is incredibly bias and they have a hatred of ALL kibble, is where the big majority (if not all) the complaints come from. It started out with just Purina then all of a sudden there was a black list with numerous brands listed that were associated with sick or deceased pets. things just did not make sense! Then you had Judy Morgan continually fear mongering and spreading misinformation urging people to stop feeding anything Purina. The whole thing did not make ANY sense.
Then she spread a rumour that Purina was being pulled from the shelves and all the food was being put on to trucks and being dumped at landfill?? Yet again more misinformation. She then proceeded to show a picture of a empty petfood shelve as proof.
The problem here is i'm Australian and i knew where that picture had come from! It come from a petfood store called "petstock" who were no longer selling pro plan simply because it did not sell and they wanted to make room for their own brand of food. (this was long before the Purina scare) But Judy had people believe this was from the US and was proof that Purina was being recalled. Outright deceiving people to push her own narrative.
They had vets come on and say they had never had any issues with clients feeding Purina and never had any sick pets come in from eating Purina, But again these vets were shot down and called liars.
At the end of the day those who choose to believe Judy will take this report with a grain of salt.
To me this is and always was nothing more then a conspiracy to bring down Purina and other brands of kibble.
I feel for the people who have lost pets, And maybe in their desperate attempt to "blame" someone the food was a easy target and that group just sealed the deal.
It's devastating to loose a pet after all they become such large parts of our lives, But sometimes we need to look beyond social media for answers and look towards the experts which are qualified to give those answers.. VETS.
I watched one of her videos that said to feed our cats oysters and, salmon and asparagus 😂
My exact thoughts.
Plus she and the other moderators in that group were telling people NOT to send Purina the food, vet reports… etc. That is why they only had 100+ reports with the criteria they needed. I was in that group for a short while just to find out what was going on. It was scary. Moderators telling scared pet parents to stop feeding their pets the prescription food the vet recommended, to ignore their vets advice and find a holistic vet. I knew in my heart from the beginning this was all exaggerated by this Facebook group. A large pet food producer like Purina would readily recall a food if the found a problem. They would not jeopardize their business.
@@StephanieStoudt-uv8nv
It’s outrageous dangerous!
They use scare tactics on these poor pet parents and make them believe they have harmed their pet. It’s disgusting!
Some dogs on prescription diets can get extremely sick with a diet change and especially one that’s stopped cold turkey. But not to worry because
“Dr” Morgan will save the day with her website bursting with remedies, supplements and recipes 😒
I’ve always said “feed the dog in front of you” it’s honestly that simple.
I understand others may have different ideas on what’s good and what’s not but shaming someone for what they feed then using fear to make them believe it’s that food that’s killing them is shockingly irresponsible and hateful and nobody should ever have to deal with that.
@@Dannielle_Lola your comments are always so spot on! Thank you! American thrives on misinformation and exaggerating everything to suit our agenda. We are in the process of destroying our country with it, but I’ll stick to pet nutrition! lol! I appreciate you always adding to the discussion!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuyhehe I follow a lot of what goes on in the US (my brother in law is originally from Georgia)
So I understand your frustration and concerns.
On another note, I am disappointed in Dr. Morgan's support of Viva Raw after they caused the death of at least one dog, and lots of reports of sick pets. A company who is unethical is simply unethical no matter what form of food they sell. Viva Raw is just as much of a greedy bastard as Hills, Purina, and royal canin etc.
@@S070-g8q I did a review of Viva, not very impressive nutrient profiles. I heard of their recall but I don’t know what happened. I’m fine with extremely rare recalls. Tell me how it happened and what they’re doing to prevent it from happening again. Old Roy has never had a recall! Doesn’t mean it’s a good food! Those greedy bastards like Hills, who just built a 22 million dollars facility to study small breed canine nutrition. Why don’t other food companies do that? And for decades those bastards have been paying for every stone sample sent into the MN Utility Center by practicing vets, so research can be done with more data… why don’t other companies do that? Those greedy bastards work with humane societies across the country and feed over 100, 000 shelter pets a year. What other companies do that? I would love for food companies to pay for all that and valuable research too! Don’t you?
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy About the nutrient profiles, I am not too worried about it for fresh food, as long as it at least meets AAFCO minimums. They had 2 recalls. One in January, and one in July. As of November, 2023 they knew about their food being tested positive for salmonella, and that it caused the death of a dog. the owner of the dog paid a ton of money to have it tested, and it came back positive. The FDA took all of her sealed, frozen Viva packs and tested those as well. Those came back positive and caused the recall. Viva refused to take responsibility for the death of her dog, swept it under the rug, and sent out messages to many social media influencers on what to say and what not to say. They also had many cases of sick dogs, but no one else had the resources to test the product. They tried to play it off that no one else complained about it. They tried to pay the owner to be silent, and instead of admitting their mistake and doing a recall in a timely manner, they consulted with a few lawyers and refused to reimburse the dog owner for her lost pet, and vet, and testing bills, which amounted to many thousands of dollars. They refused to reimburse her unless she signed a document that she could not say anything publicly, or sue them. You can check out the full story on insta @Hera_her_story. Extremely rare recalls are also acceptable, but of course that is NOT the only criteria I have obviously. Hills makes BILLIONS of dollars each year. They can afford to scatter some crumbs for the poor dogs here and there to keep up their PR.
This video is way toooooo long.
@@hyanotha well I’m sure there’s a lot of folks who agree with you. Maybe I’m just thorough?
Turned a five minute discussion into 25 minutes of mostly nonsense.
@@heronimushertz9256 lol! Well I try to be thorough!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy What? Oh, sorry. I fell asleep while watching this! LOL
Molybdenum. Mole-lib’-Dan-um
Why not feed your dog potato chips just as good for the dog as kibble. I feed my dog raw food no kibble watch "pet fooled" video on you tube. Dog are carnivores can not digest carbs.
@@RandyIngram-ej9fd actually, if you looked at the nutrients delivered in a potato chip vs the nutrients delivered in a quality kibble, you would not make such a statement. If you’re judging all foods and companies by pet fooled, you’re the one being fooled. Dogs can indeed absorb protein, fatty acids, fiber and certain minerals in carbs, nevermind energy. Those are nutritional facts board certified vet nutritionists would tell you. RUclips celebrities will tell you what you’re believing. Keep researching!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy I work for a nutritional supplement company that makes dog chews, I do may research do dogs have amylase enzymes or any to breakdown vegetables. The vets promotion comes from whoever pays them. Carbs are bad for humans let alone for dogs. My dog and I are both carnivores, no carbs in the diet, best shape I have been in my life.
@@RandyIngram-ej9fd Randy, you’ve already established you get your info from documentaries like Petfooled and consider kibble if any company to be the equivalent of potato chips. You need to expand your research. How ironic you work for a Treat company. Do you consider your treats healthy? Great you like the carnivore diet! For me life is too short to not enjoy carbs!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy I get my information from Dr. Becker (vet) ,Dr Shawn Baker, and Travis Einertson another vet. If you enjoy diabetes, skin issues and many other issues that come from a high carb diet both in dogs and humans enjoy. I am 61 years young never felt better in my life physical and mental f them carbs.