Diane turning into an akira monster feels like some part of Bojack’s subconscious screaming at him that his attraction to her is not worth holding onto.
To be fair his attraction to her basically did turn her into a monster. Diane was never of the mind that she had anything all that impactful to do or say until Bojack put her on the pedestal that he did. Hence her job of writing other people's stories. She had her opinions but never expected anyone to take them seriously because she had never been taken seriously until she met Bojack. The whole arc where she insists that she has to be the inciter to change and be the voice of reason for the world in order to be valuable was a good portion his fault. Everything from Cordovia, to Hank, to the series of actions she takes with Guy near the end of the show happened because he put the idea in her head that helping people was what made her notable at all.
As a horse person, Butterscotch’s face always brings me great sadness. Butterscotch is constantly holding a “pain face”. His ears are pinned flat, his eyes are intense, his mouth is clenched shut. Butterscotch is in constant pain.
I also like how Dr hu tells bojack to not touch water or go into direct sunlight, and the second bojack washes his face the trip gets crazy. nice little detail
@@kiauna9858 Beatrice needed a loving father, who played with her and accepted who she was. Beatrice needed a mother who didn't push unrealistic standards on her and who was fully present. Beatrice needed a family that was functional and healthy. She got very unlucky.
4:06 Even though I watched this series way more often than a normal person should, I just realized that cabin vaguely resembles the Old Sugarman Place. Even though there are key visual differences, and the setting is different (Maine vs. Michigan) it's a lone cabin in the woods by a lake. It's also shown later BJ went there in the summers of his youth. This whole episode basically has him relive key moments of his past while he's tripping. Not sure if that was done on purpose, but it seems really interesting to have such dark foreshadowing this early in the show.
When I see the hallucination with Charlotte, I always think that even though it's just a hallucination it's still a pretty good scenario of the kind of life that Bojack could and/or could've had both if he never became a celebrity and if he ever decided to settle down. Because a scenario like that still could've been possible for Bojack, but Charlotte being in it would definitely be out of the question, and for obvious reasons.
I guess I was never sure it could be. I mean, maybe? But being a celebrity wouldn't have made it impossible by itself. I guess I just don't think Bojack would be much happier either way
@@rosesweetcharlotteI think that’s what they were showing with the old sugarman place. The girls at the hardware shop didn’t recognize him as “the horse” they recognized him as a person by the end. He could have had all of it just by staying there.
@TheCommenterDragon why is charlotte out of the question in the best case scenario? Best case scenario is that he’s nota coward and is honest with charlotte about his feelings after she breaks off with herb, and choses a life with her over a life of fame. best case ofc*
@michikoiwabuchi6418 Because the life that Bojack had with Charlotte*in the hallucination* may have been wholesome and happy. But since Bojack blew his shot with the real Charlotte 30 years ago, having that kind of life with her in reality is out of the question, and not just because of the fact that Charlotte is married and what not but Also because Charlotte and Bojack never really knew each other. For Bojack Charlotte will always be the one that got away.
Omg this is one of my favorite Bojack episodes! I’ve seen it more than any other haha Also I always took charlotte saying “I’m 80% sure it’s yours” as her joking around, more showing that kind of cheeky humor in their relationship
That, and it's also demonstrates the view he has of Charlotte. She's this funny, cynical match to him. She gives him that cookie cutter life but also matches his comedy and doesn't have the "boring" personality he associates with undamaged people. She hasn't changed, just grown, and that's his goal- to be better without actually changing anything about himself. It contrasts with real Charlotte, who thinks her cynicism was naive, and the young fun was irresponsible, demonstrating that you CANT grow without also changing. He also can't fathom what a secure, familial relationship is like. It also shows the way he's "always on". They're making TV jokes in the privacy of their home, because in his mind there's ALWAYS an audience
This is the episode that starts to convince me that Bojack really is not a good person; since he’s not nice to people he will not consider the consequences of his actions. Not to mention that He does not communicate and he is not willing to do anything to fix this.
The point of the show is there are no good or bad people, we are all just people who do good and bad things. Because if he labeled himself as “bad” like he did for much of his life until season 6- he would just continue harming others in a never ending cycle. When he ultimately decides to implement real change he caused positive impacts around him.
This is a fantastic episode that foreshadows so much that was to come within the show’s story and characters. But is also foreshadowing meta-contextually, how the show would work rhythmically from the writers to the audience. As each progressive “downer ending” episode we’d see BoJack sink to harsher and progressively more disturbing lows… Phenomenal writing and storytelling that really hits you on so many levels!! Also speaking from my own experiences with psychedelic trips on various hallucinogens :: this is pretty accurate with how a bad trip can play out… your mind can put you into scenarios that feel terrifyingly real. Hence why it’s best to make sure you’re mentally prepared and feeling comfortable enough to venture into certain experiences. Randomly jumping into a heavy trip on a whim CAN have disastrous results… being prepared often helps immensely and allows you to have a more pleasant experience
I love the idea that at 1:50, Bojack’s own self-deprecation stems from his dad. It’s one of those one-off comments that he would absolutely say to himself but here it’s coming from Butterscotch.
It’s interesting bc he often worries about whether or not he has any impact on his victims (Penny for example. He wants to know if he ruined her or not and seems disappointed when he mistakenly thinks she turned out fine) and when you couple this with his greatest fear of being forgotten, it paints a really sad picture. He doesn’t want to be forgotten so his way to remedy that is to wreak havoc on people’s lives
I have watched this episode more than any other episode. It's the one that turned me into an actual hardcore fan. It nearly gave me a panic attack the first time I watched it because I was smoking pot shortly before the "I'm still tripping moment" and it made me feel like i was having an acid flashback. One of the most intense moments ive had watching a show.
One of the little details I love is how fast "tell me it's not too late" morphs into "tell me that I'm good". Those aren't the same thing. You can not be a good person at present, but still have time left to atone and become a better person. But Bojack doesn't fully believe that. The fake Diane in the Peanuts part of his fantasy tells him it's never too late, but that's outweighed by the desire to be seen as good already. Hell, part of the on-set nightmare is the "this is all I am, and all I'll ever be." Bojack wasn't actually trying to be better. Not yet, at least. He wanted to be seen as good deep down, not to have work to do
"The Firm" by John Grisham came out in 1991, and ended up being popular enough that he wrote sequels and it was made into a movie. Diane is basically implying that he hasn't read anything since that book came out. Also, being Diane, she may also be saying that because she tends to look down on mainstream media
I really love this episode , so I was happy to see you do a video on it. The ending of this episode always gets to me. The way Bojack just needs Diane to tell him he's a good person. That he needs someone to believe it's true, because he can not do it for himself.
this is one of my fav episodes and most rewatched. all of the segments with diane really hit home with the conflicting feelings of new infatuation and needing that person in ur life combined with the subsequent self sabotage and hatred, i don’t watch s1 often but downer ending holds a special place in my heart
The diner scene with Mr. Peanutbutters is also a great reference to "Being John Malkovich", and the flashback where Bojack is getting laughed at might also be a reference to that movie, where people were kind of running around in Malkovich's subconscious mind.
Hey man I’ve noticed that you have made dedicated videos for bojack horseman episodes. I’m quite new to the channel so correct me if I’m wrong but could you please make a specific one for “ the view from half way down”. I really enjoyed your “free churro” episode so I think one for “ the view from half way down” would also be really good.
6:45 I wonder if this is also where the line from Time’s Arrow comes from where Butterscotch says “Idiot son thinks dad’s book is great, comma, son is idiot!” The format of the line seems just similar enough that it could be intentional.
while watching this, I noticed something I never noticed before: During the hallucination, before Diane turns into the monster, she doesn't have her wedding ring on. It could a small detail further hinting to Bojack still tripping
It’s weird, I always forget about this episode too, maybe because Season 1 isn’t as consistent? I always love it when I rewatch it though. It’s like a less depressing, but still depressing version of That’s Too Much, Man.
Immediately knew it would be this episode. When I first saw this episode I was deep in a depression and high and it scared the shit out of me and I vomited
"Stupid Bojack writes a stupid book about his stupid life, nobody cares" how Bojack feels the need to point out "comma" is similar to how in Time's Arrow, Butterscotch points out the "comma" in the sentence "Idiot son thinks dad's book is great, son is idiot". It shows where Bojack got it from and also that Beatrice's memories weren't completely wrong.
No. I am absolutely pissed. He had the PERFECT. Opportunity to put the reasons to love counter at 17 when the that’s to much man clip plays, would’ve been fucking perfect. Where do I file formal complaints.
"The Firm" is like a basic high schoo curricular l literature right? I read it when I was studying english for high school and it felt like it, not bad, but like something you would read if they told you to.
Could you PLEASE let the captions last for more than half a second?! It's really frustrating having to pause the video at just the right time to be able to read them!!
Diane turning into an akira monster feels like some part of Bojack’s subconscious screaming at him that his attraction to her is not worth holding onto.
or a warning about enmeshment
To be fair his attraction to her basically did turn her into a monster. Diane was never of the mind that she had anything all that impactful to do or say until Bojack put her on the pedestal that he did. Hence her job of writing other people's stories. She had her opinions but never expected anyone to take them seriously because she had never been taken seriously until she met Bojack. The whole arc where she insists that she has to be the inciter to change and be the voice of reason for the world in order to be valuable was a good portion his fault. Everything from Cordovia, to Hank, to the series of actions she takes with Guy near the end of the show happened because he put the idea in her head that helping people was what made her notable at all.
As a horse person, Butterscotch’s face always brings me great sadness. Butterscotch is constantly holding a “pain face”. His ears are pinned flat, his eyes are intense, his mouth is clenched shut. Butterscotch is in constant pain.
I also like how Dr hu tells bojack to not touch water or go into direct sunlight, and the second bojack washes his face the trip gets crazy. nice little detail
That Harper looks like Beatrice is heartbreaking.
In a weird way, BoJack wanted to give his mother the life she always needed.
@@moonlightrobbery oh what the fuck
@@kiauna9858 Beatrice needed a loving father, who played with her and accepted who she was. Beatrice needed a mother who didn't push unrealistic standards on her and who was fully present. Beatrice needed a family that was functional and healthy. She got very unlucky.
@moonlightrobbery what a good catch. For the longest time, I just assumed it was because of genetics 💀
4:06 Even though I watched this series way more often than a normal person should, I just realized that cabin vaguely resembles the Old Sugarman Place. Even though there are key visual differences, and the setting is different (Maine vs. Michigan) it's a lone cabin in the woods by a lake.
It's also shown later BJ went there in the summers of his youth. This whole episode basically has him relive key moments of his past while he's tripping.
Not sure if that was done on purpose, but it seems really interesting to have such dark foreshadowing this early in the show.
When I see the hallucination with Charlotte, I always think that even though it's just a hallucination it's still a pretty good scenario of the kind of life that Bojack could and/or could've had both if he never became a celebrity and if he ever decided to settle down.
Because a scenario like that still could've been possible for Bojack, but Charlotte being in it would definitely be out of the question, and for obvious reasons.
I guess I was never sure it could be. I mean, maybe? But being a celebrity wouldn't have made it impossible by itself. I guess I just don't think Bojack would be much happier either way
@@rosesweetcharlotteI think that’s what they were showing with the old sugarman place. The girls at the hardware shop didn’t recognize him as “the horse” they recognized him as a person by the end. He could have had all of it just by staying there.
@TheCommenterDragon why is charlotte out of the question in the best case scenario? Best case scenario is that he’s nota coward and is honest with charlotte about his feelings after she breaks off with herb, and choses a life with her over a life of fame. best case ofc*
@@treyeschbaugh5908dude i’d never considered that, that’s actually so cool to think about! GAhhHhH, makes me wanna rewatch it (again) haha
@michikoiwabuchi6418 Because the life that Bojack had with Charlotte*in the hallucination* may have been wholesome and happy.
But since Bojack blew his shot with the real Charlotte 30 years ago, having that kind of life with her in reality is out of the question, and not just because of the fact that Charlotte is married and what not but Also because Charlotte and Bojack never really knew each other.
For Bojack Charlotte will always be the one that got away.
Omg this is one of my favorite Bojack episodes! I’ve seen it more than any other haha
Also I always took charlotte saying “I’m 80% sure it’s yours” as her joking around, more showing that kind of cheeky humor in their relationship
I took it as a joke too, they always joked around with each other so it makes sense for her character
This was the first episode that made me REALLY understand how special this show was, I was HOOKED.
I got crossfaded by accident in the bathtub and this episode came on, absolute nightmare to see it while high out of your mind in a tub full of water.
I really like how the animators played around with different art styles and references in this episode.
Another bonus Dr. Hu is voiced by Ken Jeong
Aka Chang
Aka an actual doctor as well as actor
9:05 The 84% sure the baby is Bojack's is a joke about infidelity, something you might heard on a sitcom.
That, and it's also demonstrates the view he has of Charlotte. She's this funny, cynical match to him. She gives him that cookie cutter life but also matches his comedy and doesn't have the "boring" personality he associates with undamaged people. She hasn't changed, just grown, and that's his goal- to be better without actually changing anything about himself. It contrasts with real Charlotte, who thinks her cynicism was naive, and the young fun was irresponsible, demonstrating that you CANT grow without also changing. He also can't fathom what a secure, familial relationship is like. It also shows the way he's "always on". They're making TV jokes in the privacy of their home, because in his mind there's ALWAYS an audience
4:45 Notice how Sarah Lynn is on the floor resembling a chalk outline? Foreshadowing?
This is the episode that starts to convince me that Bojack really is not a good person; since he’s not nice to people he will not consider the consequences of his actions. Not to mention that He does not communicate and he is not willing to do anything to fix this.
The point of the show is there are no good or bad people, we are all just people who do good and bad things. Because if he labeled himself as “bad” like he did for much of his life until season 6- he would just continue harming others in a never ending cycle. When he ultimately decides to implement real change he caused positive impacts around him.
I always love the bird visual gags.
This is a fantastic episode that foreshadows so much that was to come within the show’s story and characters.
But is also foreshadowing meta-contextually, how the show would work rhythmically from the writers to the audience. As each progressive “downer ending” episode we’d see BoJack sink to harsher and progressively more disturbing lows…
Phenomenal writing and storytelling that really hits you on so many levels!!
Also speaking from my own experiences with psychedelic trips on various hallucinogens :: this is pretty accurate with how a bad trip can play out… your mind can put you into scenarios that feel terrifyingly real. Hence why it’s best to make sure you’re mentally prepared and feeling comfortable enough to venture into certain experiences.
Randomly jumping into a heavy trip on a whim CAN have disastrous results… being prepared often helps immensely and allows you to have a more pleasant experience
I remember binging season one in high school and it left such a huge impact on me like no other show had
I absolutely LOVE these detailed descriptions about the Bojack Episodes. Please make one of EVERY episode I love this so much 😭
I love the idea that at 1:50, Bojack’s own self-deprecation stems from his dad. It’s one of those one-off comments that he would absolutely say to himself but here it’s coming from Butterscotch.
The Peanuts reference in the episode was amazing, lol
really small thing but the "gun shaped lighter" is a reference to an earlier episode when BJ was going through airport security and brought a gun
It’s interesting bc he often worries about whether or not he has any impact on his victims (Penny for example. He wants to know if he ruined her or not and seems disappointed when he mistakenly thinks she turned out fine) and when you couple this with his greatest fear of being forgotten, it paints a really sad picture. He doesn’t want to be forgotten so his way to remedy that is to wreak havoc on people’s lives
I have watched this episode more than any other episode. It's the one that turned me into an actual hardcore fan. It nearly gave me a panic attack the first time I watched it because I was smoking pot shortly before the "I'm still tripping moment" and it made me feel like i was having an acid flashback. One of the most intense moments ive had watching a show.
One of the little details I love is how fast "tell me it's not too late" morphs into "tell me that I'm good". Those aren't the same thing. You can not be a good person at present, but still have time left to atone and become a better person. But Bojack doesn't fully believe that. The fake Diane in the Peanuts part of his fantasy tells him it's never too late, but that's outweighed by the desire to be seen as good already. Hell, part of the on-set nightmare is the "this is all I am, and all I'll ever be."
Bojack wasn't actually trying to be better. Not yet, at least. He wanted to be seen as good deep down, not to have work to do
I laughed a lot with that episode, especially the part where BoJack and Todd think they are pointing guns at each other.
"The Firm" by John Grisham came out in 1991, and ended up being popular enough that he wrote sequels and it was made into a movie. Diane is basically implying that he hasn't read anything since that book came out. Also, being Diane, she may also be saying that because she tends to look down on mainstream media
i love this episode!! season 1 starts out a little shaky, but you can really tell when it gets into its rhythm. great stuff!
I really love this episode , so I was happy to see you do a video on it. The ending of this episode always gets to me. The way Bojack just needs Diane to tell him he's a good person. That he needs someone to believe it's true, because he can not do it for himself.
4:31 "this electronic song" IT'S CALLED NO LOVE BY DEATH GRIPS ‼️
HOW THE TRIP NEVER STOPS
9:13 Bojack's made-up world also named her Harper cause the Sugarman house was in Harper's Landing, Michigan :D great video
I didn't know it was often forgotten. It is EASILY my favorite episode, even more so after this deep analysis!
What a good episode. Thank you for covering it! I've never been so early.
The electronic song is no love by death grips 😭😭😭
the way i gasped when he said electronic music 😭 i don’t even listen to death grips
Honestly, there are a few gems in this first season that don't get enough love. Live Fast, Diane Nguyen is one of my favourites
9:06 Dream-Charlotte wasn’t being literal it was just a joke.
you're right- i DO always forget about this episode. excited to hear it be highlighted
this is one of my fav episodes and most rewatched. all of the segments with diane really hit home with the conflicting feelings of new infatuation and needing that person in ur life combined with the subsequent self sabotage and hatred, i don’t watch s1 often but downer ending holds a special place in my heart
The diner scene with Mr. Peanutbutters is also a great reference to "Being John Malkovich", and the flashback where Bojack is getting laughed at might also be a reference to that movie, where people were kind of running around in Malkovich's subconscious mind.
I LOVE THIS EPISODE. To me one of the most enjoyable since we got many styles of animstion and the creators got to display their creativity
1:42 immaterial issues? You can see all the material lying on the ground right there
The Diner full of Mr. Peanutbutter could also be a reference to Being John Malkovich
You can’t just jump scare me with that Sarah Lynn scene dude…
Hey man I’ve noticed that you have made dedicated videos for bojack horseman episodes. I’m quite new to the channel so correct me if I’m wrong but could you please make a specific one for “ the view from half way down”. I really enjoyed your “free churro” episode so I think one for “ the view from half way down” would also be really good.
I have on my previous channel (that got hacked), but I think it is about time I did it over again :)
@ thank you !
i really love your videos i watch them everyday and rewatch every single one like 5 times
6:45 I wonder if this is also where the line from Time’s Arrow comes from where Butterscotch says “Idiot son thinks dad’s book is great, comma, son is idiot!” The format of the line seems just similar enough that it could be intentional.
the "third base" had me burst out laughing on my most recent rewatch. its such an under rated joke
This is my favourite episode of the whole series I love all of his vacuums
Pinky is BoJack's version of Meg Griffin 😂
while watching this, I noticed something I never noticed before: During the hallucination, before Diane turns into the monster, she doesn't have her wedding ring on. It could a small detail further hinting to Bojack still tripping
Bro I was just scanning your channel for a Bojack video I haven’t watch when you uploaded
THIS IS MY FAVORITE BOJACK EPISODE it hits me so hard every time
This is the episode that got me to watch Bojack truly is one of the best episodes
I always thought that 8:19 was a reference to that scene where bojack tells sarah lynn to always give the crowd what they want on set.
I didnt forget this one! This has always been one of my absolute favorite episodes.
Love how Diane turns into Akira's final form.
Will always be my favorite episode
6:27 i think its more like how important other peoples opinions of him are to him
I feel so strange being this early
How did people forget this episode it was the first one that showed what BoJack truly is as a show.
It’s weird, I always forget about this episode too, maybe because Season 1 isn’t as consistent? I always love it when I rewatch it though. It’s like a less depressing, but still depressing version of That’s Too Much, Man.
Immediately knew it would be this episode. When I first saw this episode I was deep in a depression and high and it scared the shit out of me and I vomited
Yeah i think the "80% sure it's yours" joke is just to characterise charlotte as someone with a good sense of humour
"Aaron Paul is dead"--oh my LORD, that made my night
Is no one gonna talk about how bojacks fake daughter looks like Beatrice, his mom! 💯
"Stupid Bojack writes a stupid book about his stupid life, nobody cares" how Bojack feels the need to point out "comma" is similar to how in Time's Arrow, Butterscotch points out the "comma" in the sentence "Idiot son thinks dad's book is great, son is idiot". It shows where Bojack got it from and also that Beatrice's memories weren't completely wrong.
the experimental song is No Love by Death Grips. Highly worth checking out
My favorite part was not saying what episode is being reviewed anywhere in the description after that essay. 👹👋
Solid point- added it in the description. Good catch!
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO REACT TO DOWNER ENDING LET’S GOOOO
9:04 I felt like this was meant to be her joking around, not genuine infidelity
I will never forget Downer Ending! It’s one of my favorite episodes 😄
Isn't in this episode that that BJ tells he needs the right music... to do drugs DROP IT
I love glazing this show so much
No. I am absolutely pissed. He had the PERFECT. Opportunity to put the reasons to love counter at 17 when the that’s to much man clip plays, would’ve been fucking perfect. Where do I file formal complaints.
"The Firm" is like a basic high schoo curricular l literature right? I read it when I was studying english for high school and it felt like it, not bad, but like something you would read if they told you to.
So it is to late?
I really think that the 80% thing is just a joke, just to show that Charlotte is a funny woman
Could you PLEASE let the captions last for more than half a second?! It's really frustrating having to pause the video at just the right time to be able to read them!!
Will do for next time! Thanks for the note- really helps!
I like this style of video
❤ this episode.
I would like a video about Bojack Horseman's dub
9:13 ? it’s just a joke ¿ what do you mean lol
4:00 Beatles reference!
commenting on every bojack horseman video #527
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Americans: GUNS SHOULD BE MANDATORY!!!!