Something to note about Kelsey is that even if Bojack did call her, she wouldn't have appreciated that. When they first meet, she makes a point to tell him never to call because she'll call him if she wants to talk to him. His "sorry I didn't call you after" was projection after what happened with Herb.
I love the scene where Herb refuses to forgive Bo Jack. It's such a powerful revelation for someone who hadn't considered you dont have to forgive people. When you do unforgivable things or when you're the same person you were from when you did something that required an apology, you're not forgiven. You have to live with that. I'm going to move on with my life. Unfortunately, Herb's life was short afterward for his journey.
My mum always made me feel that I have to forgive her every time she apologises, no matter what, and it's affected a lot of my life. That scene was really inspiring for me. I knew that Herb was in the right and I still liked him, and it was the first time I'd seen someone refuse to be forgiving but still be portrayed in a positive light.
To me that's the moment this show got real. You know on most tv shows animated or not there's usually some kind of falling out but there's usually a closure eventually but the fact that Herb (fully justified) refuses forgive Bojack was a big WOW moment because it felt real Bojack did a shitty thing to his best friend and there is no closure he simply has to live with it.
I wish you mentioned the part where Kelsey told Bojack "you work with a director who sees you." That really resonated with me and then during the funeral episode he talks about how pivotal it was that his mom said "I see you", but was probably just reading the sign "ICU". Besides his issue with his ego, I think he just wanted someone to see and acknowledge him, not that I'm defending his actions, I think it's shitty he couldn't reciprocate them back and cost the other party things.
Good point. There was so much potential with the Kelsey relationship, I really loved it 😢 too bad Bojack wasn't ready yet, he wanted to be seen, but had still never stopped to consider if he was truly seeing others
The beautiful part about bojack is that he shows that there's a reason there is the way these horrible people are the way they are and they do do alot of good things and sometimes have good intentions. But that doesn't excuse the horrible things he does do. He's not just a bad person or just a good person he is just a person an unbelievably broken person.
That last sentence is what most human beings do. The more we heal and learn about mental health, the less we’ll feel the need to make unhealthy choices
Flip got his big break because Princess Carolyn just happened to come across his story in her pile and it just happened to resonate with her during the difficult time she was going through so she advocated for it. It was a lucky break. After that he didn't really do much to gain anyone's notice or do anything in particular to make them want to work with him again. He was too much of a creep and by the time the show had finished Princess Caroline was ready to move on with her life too so she didn't exactly feel like fighting for it even if she could. Opportunity squandered. I think you're right on the money that Flip never went anywhere else in his career.
I think exploring the relationship he had with PC and Wanda, plus other women, would be nice. I know it's been done before, but i like your perspective
Great video! As important as Bojack’s personal relationships are, his professional relationships are just as self-destructive on his part. Bojack really shows how people seek out the affection and appreciation they didn’t get later in life. Not just Bojack either. Diane is shown to have tried to be “fun” early in her relationship with PB for fear he won’t still like her. PC openly admits to fixing others’ lives to distract from her own, but it’s also because she grew up fixing her mom’s messes and that’s what she thinks give her value. PB and Todd don’t seem to have the same problem, mostly because PB just wants to be in a relationship and Todd suffers more from low self-esteem than a need for validation.
Hmm thats interesting. Its hard for me to imagine how to seperate low self esteem from a need for validation. As someone who like bojack desperately craves it, I feel like the two are inextricably linked. You're right Todd never really asks for validation. He doesn't think super highly of himself at times but never really asks anyone else to either. Wonder why that is?
@@KD-ou2np its a weird self confidence your born with you like yourself but after so many rejections from everybody romantically or with friendships you just stop caring about peoples opinions or if they even like you or not
Great video! I would love to hear your thoughts on BoJack’s desire to be a dad (specifically a girl dad) which is explored through his relationships with Hollyhock, Sarah Lynn, Penny, and in that daydream he has about being a dad to Harper.
So this is some off the cuff freudian shit. But maybe its sort of like how many "boy moms" have issues where they want to raise their son to be the man they wanted, or raise the man who will finally love them and protect them, etc. And Bojack has major issues with his mother never loving him, so part of it is a fantasy about having women in his life who really love him. Plus raising a kid who is your same gender means you have to confront a lot of things you went through being raised as a girl/boy, you are more likely to see yourself in them physically, emotionally, etc... well maybe project yourself onto them is a more correct way to say it. Bojack feels so much shame about himself, his manhood, and his father, that its probably too painful to imagine having a son. It means confronting all the ways your father failed you, puts you in your fathers position relative to you as a kid, forces you to confront the ways you want your kid to be or not be like you. All very impossible things for bojack to deal with in his imagination. Even though in the reality of parenting you can't really predict the ways your kids will be similar to either parent necessarily. And you shouldn't project all your deepest fears, shame, and insecurity onto them, NOR should you have a fantasy about how they will fix you, heal you, and love you better than anyone.
11:13 This heartwarming line from Beatrice, about how her son will never fill the hole with meaning, is the last thing she says to him before she gets dementia.
Excellent video, it's very interesting how Bojack acts around authority figures because of how desperately he wanted his parent's approval when he was younger. I do think that Anna Spanakoptia is also worth bringing up in this conversation, because in both a professional and a romantic sense Bojack's relationship with her stems largely from his seeking her approval & attention because she is in charge of his Oscar campaign. She is an authority figure that Bojack wants to earn the attention of, and he even gets Anna to stop working for all her other clients because he wants to be her sole focus. It's the same pattern that we see with Herb, Kelsey, and Flip only it gets elevated into a romantic/sexual relationship in the process and shares some of the patterns seen in his purely romantic relationships as a result. Princess Carolyn says it perfectly in The Best Thing That Ever Happened "You say you want professionalism? Bullshit! You want a mommy you can slide your dick in and out of!"
The worst thing about Bojack as an actor is that he is the quitter. He never gets his projects complete because he has zero discipline, consistency and initiative. He is also very infantile despite his old age. I think people need to stop putting up with his bullshit and need to tell him that they don't care about his feelings and him being a celebrity, and he must do his job correctly.
One of my favorite details building the connection between Kelsie and Bojack’s mom is when Kelsie says she only fills out the crossword in sharpie, and then in the end of the episode Beatrice is filling out the crossword in sharpie.
The part of Bojack growing disinterested and everything is kinda Pseudo acknowledged when he talks to Hollyhock “You need to stop looking for enough, because it will never be enough” he says. I think that’s a reflection of this as well. Idk just some food for thought I guess
So the most prominent line fur me in Bojack was Diane having an existential crisis and talking about how if she isn't successful then all the abuse she dealt with was for nothing
Can you do a speculation video as to why Mr. Peanutbutter seeks Bojack approval/attention?? Since they are supposed to be two sides of the same coin or parallels
If there's a trauma it's probably that nobody around him was able to show any emotional range, always putting on a relentlessly positive facade regardless of the situation and giving each other constant validation. I think that some people have described growing up in mormonism as being like that, so no negative emotions could ever be expressed and they just repressed everything, but I don't think that Mr Peanutbutter is repressed emotionally, I feel like it's more likely that nobody he encountered until adulthood provided any criticism of his behaviour or set boundaries, so he has absolutely no anxiety around people and that makes him superficially charming and personable, but doesn't always make him a good friend or partner. He's basically like Tom Cruise, except not involved in a cult. If you were to take some of the stories that other actors tell about Tom Cruise (such as his compulsive habit of purchasing people a very specific cake from his favourite baker, which got to the point where the bakery he buys them from can no longer sell to the public due to how many of them he buys. Obviously, these are the stories that people who work with him in the biz are willing to share. ) and replace him with a Golden Retriever you'd basically have Mr Peanutbutter.
Herb taught me in my mature preadult life that adults do not have a right to closure. That seemed like a tough lesson but I'm glad that I got to learn that through Bojack and not through mistakes with other humans that I made over and over.
Excellent point! There is definitely evidence of Bojack becoming dissatisfied with an already great piece of media and then convincing Cuddlywhiskers to tinker with it until it was a mess, leaving it to get cancelled.
The realisation that his greatest moment in career, which is that scene in the president office is never seen by anyone. Even we, an audience, do not see his big moment of proving he is worth something as an actor
“you’re BoJack Horseman. there’s no cure for that” is STILL my favorite line in the whole series. it’s so haunting, nihilistic, simple and complicated all at once. obsessed.
I hate the way that the various art “industries” select semi-random artists to aggressively push on audiences. Since they’re the only artists you actually get exposed to, it’s easy to convince you that they are the best. Then a million people tell an artist that they are a genius and shower them with millions of dollars and an army of sycophants, ready to give them everything they want. It’s the perfect way to disincentivize the famous artist from bothering to improve and makes all of the non-famous artists strive for an unattainable goal till they give up. All art ceases to be about honing your talents and becomes about attaining stardom. You have a FAR better chance of winning the lottery than becoming famous. No matter how hard you practice and how many exhibitions you perform, it all comes down to dumb luck and nepotism.
Bojack is self indulgent. His childhood doesn’t excuse his misdeeds. People survive literal genocides and go on to become productive citizens in other nations, raising families of their own. Bojack is a weak spineless cad who is really good at manipulating the audience to pity him.
I don't know if this breakdown is possible but could you break down how Bojack could have fixed these problems when he was young so it doesn't control his entire life.
being self aware is a good start. Questioning why things are important to him, again and again. He could then find distortions in his thinking and beliefs, challenge them, figure out his values, and then try live best in line with them
Bojack's betrayal of Herb was wrong. By any reason, however, why should the character risk his career for someone that damaged their's? Herb has some right to be upset but for him not being bigger than his character in contrast of Bojack's makes him look like an asshole when the horse comes knocking.
I find that the show has a real double standard, as in, everything bad is Bojack's fault, and his actions are the only ones given serious long term consequences For instance; Diane once posted a personal tweet on a company account, and had everything work out for her, and was even praised for it, Tood built and inadvertently let loose a sex robot that wrecked havoc for a major company, and got away with it completely. Meanwhile, Bojack gets the full blame for what happened to Hollyhock even though he warned her about his mother
He still gets to have a relationship with Hollyhock after that, the only consequences is her parents disapproving him. Diane worked to solve her mistake, taking responsibility for it = a big theme on the show. (Also she ends up losing that job anyway). The point of BoJack is not who is at fault but being responsible for the things you do and being better after. Also, making a mistake tweet and a teenager overdosing in your house are completely different things. It wasn't even the first teen that overdosed under his watch.
@@GiulianaBruna You're missing my point, even if Bojack had taken responsibility, he still would've gotten yelled at and likely taken off the account, Diane had everything work out for her And when Diane had to run away, he incident quickly blew over and was never brought up again, if it was Bojack, it would've been brought up time and time again throughout the rest of the show My point is, that even if Bojack did the same things as everyone else did in those situations, or did absuolutely nothing wrong, he still gets treated far more harshly than anyone else in-series It's like a reverse-"Kevin can F*ck himself"
@@logicmeister1821 Genuine question, when do you think Bojack has ever taken accountability in the show? Because I am fairly sure that he's never taken complete accountability for anything in the show, hence why people don't want to forgive him when compared to people like Diane who are mostly actively trying to become better people. Even in the Sarah Lynn interview, he wasn't completely honest about what happened, deliberately hid his sexual relationship and the fact that he contributed to her death, and still got defensive and aggressive when people called him out in things he genuinely did wrong. Everyone else in the show always either apologized and made an effort to change or... well, they just didn't do anything as harmful as Bojack in the first place. Also I'm not sure where you got that Diane never got any consequences for running away? It's literally the reason she and Mr. Peanutbutter had to get couple's counseling. Not only that, but she was constantly being criticized for having one foot out the door in their marriage, and that pattern continued well into her relationship with Guy. But again, hiding from Mr. Peanutbutter wasn't something she was refusing to take accountability for, and she eventually DID address her problem with running from her relationships when they became difficult. Diane made genuine efforts to work through her problems and change the traits that made her a worse person, while Bojack spent the show blaming other people for his own actions all the way up into the finale where he left a voicemail blaming Diane for not "caring enough" about him when he was about to try taking his own life.
@@madisoncook1750 Okay, fine, you want a more clear cut case of the show's hypocrisy? Imagine this scenario Bojack meets a guy who's looking to break into the Industry, Bojack gives this guy advice and even some opportunities and they start working on a show together, however as years pass, they become distant. Then Bojack is caught having public sex with a much younger woman and it causes a huge scandal that threatens his job, so Bojack goes to the guy he mentored and asks him to threaten to quit his job lest Bojack get to keep his, but the guy ultimately doesn't go through with it So we agree that Bojack is an asshole refusing to take accountability, and the guy was right to cut Bojack out of his life? Fair to say that's how the show would present it? Problem is, that's Herb's story, and Bojack is the guy. Thus Bojack is presented as been in the wrong for not threatening to quit his job, and Herb is presented as a nice guy who got screwed over despite never taking responsibility for what he did The show may try to say that it's about personal responsibility, but in reality, it's about shitting on Bojack and making him everyone else's scapegoat Another good example of this been Todd and his Space Opera, sure Bojack put a video game he was addicted to in-front of him, but as a screenwriter, I can most assuredly say, if THAT is all it takes to permanently sabotage Tood's Space Opera, he never deserved to have it made in the first place
I could not relate to this show. The characters were just vapid and superficial, their concerns were trivial, and I did not care about a damn thing that was happening the entire time. Nor did i find it especially thought provoking or deep. It was a self-indulgent, and juvenile exercise in navel gazing. Embarassing to watch.
Something to note about Kelsey is that even if Bojack did call her, she wouldn't have appreciated that. When they first meet, she makes a point to tell him never to call because she'll call him if she wants to talk to him. His "sorry I didn't call you after" was projection after what happened with Herb.
that's a good point I hadn't considered that!
Oh my god I didn't think of that
I agree. If he did try apologizing again, I don't think it would've been met with receptiveness from Kelsey.
I love the scene where Herb refuses to forgive Bo Jack. It's such a powerful revelation for someone who hadn't considered you dont have to forgive people. When you do unforgivable things or when you're the same person you were from when you did something that required an apology, you're not forgiven. You have to live with that. I'm going to move on with my life. Unfortunately, Herb's life was short afterward for his journey.
For those who didn't get the same experience of forgiveness as their peers it was a very comforting scene.
My mum always made me feel that I have to forgive her every time she apologises, no matter what, and it's affected a lot of my life. That scene was really inspiring for me. I knew that Herb was in the right and I still liked him, and it was the first time I'd seen someone refuse to be forgiving but still be portrayed in a positive light.
To me that's the moment this show got real. You know on most tv shows animated or not there's usually some kind of falling out but there's usually a closure eventually but the fact that Herb (fully justified) refuses forgive Bojack was a big WOW moment because it felt real Bojack did a shitty thing to his best friend and there is no closure he simply has to live with it.
I wish you mentioned the part where Kelsey told Bojack "you work with a director who sees you." That really resonated with me and then during the funeral episode he talks about how pivotal it was that his mom said "I see you", but was probably just reading the sign "ICU". Besides his issue with his ego, I think he just wanted someone to see and acknowledge him, not that I'm defending his actions, I think it's shitty he couldn't reciprocate them back and cost the other party things.
Good point. There was so much potential with the Kelsey relationship, I really loved it 😢 too bad Bojack wasn't ready yet, he wanted to be seen, but had still never stopped to consider if he was truly seeing others
The beautiful part about bojack is that he shows that there's a reason there is the way these horrible people are the way they are and they do do alot of good things and sometimes have good intentions. But that doesn't excuse the horrible things he does do. He's not just a bad person or just a good person he is just a person an unbelievably broken person.
That last sentence is what most human beings do. The more we heal and learn about mental health, the less we’ll feel the need to make unhealthy choices
Flip got his big break because Princess Carolyn just happened to come across his story in her pile and it just happened to resonate with her during the difficult time she was going through so she advocated for it. It was a lucky break.
After that he didn't really do much to gain anyone's notice or do anything in particular to make them want to work with him again. He was too much of a creep and by the time the show had finished Princess Caroline was ready to move on with her life too so she didn't exactly feel like fighting for it even if she could. Opportunity squandered. I think you're right on the money that Flip never went anywhere else in his career.
I think exploring the relationship he had with PC and Wanda, plus other women, would be nice. I know it's been done before, but i like your perspective
Great video! As important as Bojack’s personal relationships are, his professional relationships are just as self-destructive on his part. Bojack really shows how people seek out the affection and appreciation they didn’t get later in life. Not just Bojack either. Diane is shown to have tried to be “fun” early in her relationship with PB for fear he won’t still like her. PC openly admits to fixing others’ lives to distract from her own, but it’s also because she grew up fixing her mom’s messes and that’s what she thinks give her value. PB and Todd don’t seem to have the same problem, mostly because PB just wants to be in a relationship and Todd suffers more from low self-esteem than a need for validation.
Hmm thats interesting. Its hard for me to imagine how to seperate low self esteem from a need for validation. As someone who like bojack desperately craves it, I feel like the two are inextricably linked.
You're right Todd never really asks for validation. He doesn't think super highly of himself at times but never really asks anyone else to either. Wonder why that is?
@@KD-ou2np its a weird self confidence your born with you like yourself but after so many rejections from everybody romantically or with friendships you just stop caring about peoples opinions or if they even like you or not
Great video! I would love to hear your thoughts on BoJack’s desire to be a dad (specifically a girl dad) which is explored through his relationships with Hollyhock, Sarah Lynn, Penny, and in that daydream he has about being a dad to Harper.
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So this is some off the cuff freudian shit. But maybe its sort of like how many "boy moms" have issues where they want to raise their son to be the man they wanted, or raise the man who will finally love them and protect them, etc. And Bojack has major issues with his mother never loving him, so part of it is a fantasy about having women in his life who really love him.
Plus raising a kid who is your same gender means you have to confront a lot of things you went through being raised as a girl/boy, you are more likely to see yourself in them physically, emotionally, etc... well maybe project yourself onto them is a more correct way to say it.
Bojack feels so much shame about himself, his manhood, and his father, that its probably too painful to imagine having a son. It means confronting all the ways your father failed you, puts you in your fathers position relative to you as a kid, forces you to confront the ways you want your kid to be or not be like you. All very impossible things for bojack to deal with in his imagination.
Even though in the reality of parenting you can't really predict the ways your kids will be similar to either parent necessarily. And you shouldn't project all your deepest fears, shame, and insecurity onto them, NOR should you have a fantasy about how they will fix you, heal you, and love you better than anyone.
🥹🥹 my first yt shoutout ever!! I'm so glad you ended up making this video, thank you!!!
11:13 This heartwarming line from Beatrice, about how her son will never fill the hole with meaning, is the last thing she says to him before she gets dementia.
Bojack videos are like fent
I know it’s fentanyl, but it’s pronounced fet. You don’t need the N, we’ll know.
@@Someguyonline7732depends on who you’re talking to: the culture
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Excellent video, it's very interesting how Bojack acts around authority figures because of how desperately he wanted his parent's approval when he was younger.
I do think that Anna Spanakoptia is also worth bringing up in this conversation, because in both a professional and a romantic sense Bojack's relationship with her stems largely from his seeking her approval & attention because she is in charge of his Oscar campaign. She is an authority figure that Bojack wants to earn the attention of, and he even gets Anna to stop working for all her other clients because he wants to be her sole focus. It's the same pattern that we see with Herb, Kelsey, and Flip only it gets elevated into a romantic/sexual relationship in the process and shares some of the patterns seen in his purely romantic relationships as a result.
Princess Carolyn says it perfectly in The Best Thing That Ever Happened
"You say you want professionalism? Bullshit! You want a mommy you can slide your dick in and out of!"
The worst thing about Bojack as an actor is that he is the quitter. He never gets his projects complete because he has zero discipline, consistency and initiative. He is also very infantile despite his old age.
I think people need to stop putting up with his bullshit and need to tell him that they don't care about his feelings and him being a celebrity, and he must do his job correctly.
One of my favorite details building the connection between Kelsie and Bojack’s mom is when Kelsie says she only fills out the crossword in sharpie, and then in the end of the episode Beatrice is filling out the crossword in sharpie.
The part of Bojack growing disinterested and everything is kinda Pseudo acknowledged when he talks to Hollyhock
“You need to stop looking for enough, because it will never be enough” he says. I think that’s a reflection of this as well. Idk just some food for thought I guess
So the most prominent line fur me in Bojack was Diane having an existential crisis and talking about how if she isn't successful then all the abuse she dealt with was for nothing
Can you do a speculation video as to why Mr. Peanutbutter seeks Bojack approval/attention?? Since they are supposed to be two sides of the same coin or parallels
If there's a trauma it's probably that nobody around him was able to show any emotional range, always putting on a relentlessly positive facade regardless of the situation and giving each other constant validation.
I think that some people have described growing up in mormonism as being like that, so no negative emotions could ever be expressed and they just repressed everything, but I don't think that Mr Peanutbutter is repressed emotionally, I feel like it's more likely that nobody he encountered until adulthood provided any criticism of his behaviour or set boundaries, so he has absolutely no anxiety around people and that makes him superficially charming and personable, but doesn't always make him a good friend or partner.
He's basically like Tom Cruise, except not involved in a cult. If you were to take some of the stories that other actors tell about Tom Cruise (such as his compulsive habit of purchasing people a very specific cake from his favourite baker, which got to the point where the bakery he buys them from can no longer sell to the public due to how many of them he buys. Obviously, these are the stories that people who work with him in the biz are willing to share. ) and replace him with a Golden Retriever you'd basically have Mr Peanutbutter.
Herb taught me in my mature preadult life that adults do not have a right to closure. That seemed like a tough lesson but I'm glad that I got to learn that through Bojack and not through mistakes with other humans that I made over and over.
Never thought abut it! Thanks. SUCH an Underrated comment
I didn’t even pick up on the same pattern emerging with Flip. Great analysis.
What about cuddly whiskers? When they work on The Bojack Horseman Show. We don’t see much of their interactions but I think it it’s also very telling.
Excellent point! There is definitely evidence of Bojack becoming dissatisfied with an already great piece of media and then convincing Cuddlywhiskers to tinker with it until it was a mess, leaving it to get cancelled.
Doctor champ is another example of that same pattern id say..
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Your Bojack videos are causing more breakthroughs than my weekly therapy sessions
Kelsey’s firing was an absolute gut punch
The realisation that his greatest moment in career, which is that scene in the president office is never seen by anyone. Even we, an audience, do not see his big moment of proving he is worth something as an actor
“you’re BoJack Horseman. there’s no cure for that” is STILL my favorite line in the whole series. it’s so haunting, nihilistic, simple and complicated all at once. obsessed.
If you hadn't included the shot of bojacks reflection after his audition tape, I would have been very disappointed. But you, as usual, delivered
Please make a vid about Mr. PB and his type of narcissism.
Flip is the worst
I hate the way that the various art “industries” select semi-random artists to aggressively push on audiences. Since they’re the only artists you actually get exposed to, it’s easy to convince you that they are the best. Then a million people tell an artist that they are a genius and shower them with millions of dollars and an army of sycophants, ready to give them everything they want. It’s the perfect way to disincentivize the famous artist from bothering to improve and makes all of the non-famous artists strive for an unattainable goal till they give up. All art ceases to be about honing your talents and becomes about attaining stardom. You have a FAR better chance of winning the lottery than becoming famous. No matter how hard you practice and how many exhibitions you perform, it all comes down to dumb luck and nepotism.
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It’s funny how bo-jack so badly wants to be liked but he goes to almost every length tk make himself unlikeable.
Intro: just say the thing!!!!!
Really good vid!
Bojack is self indulgent. His childhood doesn’t excuse his misdeeds. People survive literal genocides and go on to become productive citizens in other nations, raising families of their own. Bojack is a weak spineless cad who is really good at manipulating the audience to pity him.
I won't generalized too quickly though, those people who died in genocide are as innocent as those who experienced traumas outside of war crimes.
But so does Bojack he is a more moral person at the end of the show than the start
@@Lovesalads06He’s not talking about people who died, he’s talking about the people who survived.
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They all have similar hair color:3
I don't know if this breakdown is possible but could you break down how Bojack could have fixed these problems when he was young so it doesn't control his entire life.
being self aware is a good start. Questioning why things are important to him, again and again. He could then find distortions in his thinking and beliefs, challenge them, figure out his values, and then try live best in line with them
Bojack's betrayal of Herb was wrong. By any reason, however, why should the character risk his career for someone that damaged their's? Herb has some right to be upset but for him not being bigger than his character in contrast of Bojack's makes him look like an asshole when the horse comes knocking.
Bro has never heard of friendship or being a virtuous person
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I find that the show has a real double standard, as in, everything bad is Bojack's fault, and his actions are the only ones given serious long term consequences
For instance; Diane once posted a personal tweet on a company account, and had everything work out for her, and was even praised for it, Tood built and inadvertently let loose a sex robot that wrecked havoc for a major company, and got away with it completely.
Meanwhile, Bojack gets the full blame for what happened to Hollyhock even though he warned her about his mother
He still gets to have a relationship with Hollyhock after that, the only consequences is her parents disapproving him. Diane worked to solve her mistake, taking responsibility for it = a big theme on the show. (Also she ends up losing that job anyway). The point of BoJack is not who is at fault but being responsible for the things you do and being better after. Also, making a mistake tweet and a teenager overdosing in your house are completely different things. It wasn't even the first teen that overdosed under his watch.
Diane literally received death treats and had to run to Cordovia at one point of the show.
@@GiulianaBruna You're missing my point, even if Bojack had taken responsibility, he still would've gotten yelled at and likely taken off the account, Diane had everything work out for her
And when Diane had to run away, he incident quickly blew over and was never brought up again, if it was Bojack, it would've been brought up time and time again throughout the rest of the show
My point is, that even if Bojack did the same things as everyone else did in those situations, or did absuolutely nothing wrong, he still gets treated far more harshly than anyone else in-series
It's like a reverse-"Kevin can F*ck himself"
@@logicmeister1821 Genuine question, when do you think Bojack has ever taken accountability in the show? Because I am fairly sure that he's never taken complete accountability for anything in the show, hence why people don't want to forgive him when compared to people like Diane who are mostly actively trying to become better people. Even in the Sarah Lynn interview, he wasn't completely honest about what happened, deliberately hid his sexual relationship and the fact that he contributed to her death, and still got defensive and aggressive when people called him out in things he genuinely did wrong. Everyone else in the show always either apologized and made an effort to change or... well, they just didn't do anything as harmful as Bojack in the first place.
Also I'm not sure where you got that Diane never got any consequences for running away? It's literally the reason she and Mr. Peanutbutter had to get couple's counseling. Not only that, but she was constantly being criticized for having one foot out the door in their marriage, and that pattern continued well into her relationship with Guy. But again, hiding from Mr. Peanutbutter wasn't something she was refusing to take accountability for, and she eventually DID address her problem with running from her relationships when they became difficult. Diane made genuine efforts to work through her problems and change the traits that made her a worse person, while Bojack spent the show blaming other people for his own actions all the way up into the finale where he left a voicemail blaming Diane for not "caring enough" about him when he was about to try taking his own life.
@@madisoncook1750 Okay, fine, you want a more clear cut case of the show's hypocrisy?
Imagine this scenario
Bojack meets a guy who's looking to break into the Industry, Bojack gives this guy advice and even some opportunities and they start working on a show together, however as years pass, they become distant. Then Bojack is caught having public sex with a much younger woman and it causes a huge scandal that threatens his job, so Bojack goes to the guy he mentored and asks him to threaten to quit his job lest Bojack get to keep his, but the guy ultimately doesn't go through with it
So we agree that Bojack is an asshole refusing to take accountability, and the guy was right to cut Bojack out of his life? Fair to say that's how the show would present it?
Problem is, that's Herb's story, and Bojack is the guy. Thus Bojack is presented as been in the wrong for not threatening to quit his job, and Herb is presented as a nice guy who got screwed over despite never taking responsibility for what he did
The show may try to say that it's about personal responsibility, but in reality, it's about shitting on Bojack and making him everyone else's scapegoat
Another good example of this been Todd and his Space Opera, sure Bojack put a video game he was addicted to in-front of him, but as a screenwriter, I can most assuredly say, if THAT is all it takes to permanently sabotage Tood's Space Opera, he never deserved to have it made in the first place
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Bojack was a great cartoon except for the fact that it's a Redditor's wet dream about taking down a celebrity.
I could not relate to this show. The characters were just vapid and superficial, their concerns were trivial, and I did not care about a damn thing that was happening the entire time. Nor did i find it especially thought provoking or deep. It was a self-indulgent, and juvenile exercise in navel gazing. Embarassing to watch.
Just in time to continue my bojack marathon 😄🐴🤎