How to Write Realistic Mental Illness in Television.

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  • Опубликовано: 22 янв 2025

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  • @caitlinb1657
    @caitlinb1657 4 дня назад +221

    There were times when I was watching and would think to myself, "That's so terrible who would do that!" *I would* it was really a wake up call to actually do better, not just fantasize about it.

    • @intellectually_lazy
      @intellectually_lazy 4 дня назад +10

      feel that. every time i feel like doubling down on something stupid i think of the one guy, you know the one. he won't go away. we're all sick of his name but we can't stop saying it, bout to be in charge again, gonna burn down the whole world and bring back that thing he probably says didn't happen. well, that makes me a better person, not acting like that

    • @mosquitopyjamas9048
      @mosquitopyjamas9048 2 дня назад

      @@intellectually_lazy you mean Bojack?

    • @intellectually_lazy
      @intellectually_lazy День назад

      @ no

    • @intellectually_lazy
      @intellectually_lazy День назад

      @@mosquitopyjamas9048 you make me feel like kelsey janning telling justin money num num num that for his last 3 movies is not why roman pulanski should be in actual prison

    • @mosquitopyjamas9048
      @mosquitopyjamas9048 20 часов назад

      @@intellectually_lazy I'm so sorry, I'm not the brightest

  • @MylingCyrus
    @MylingCyrus 4 дня назад +64

    You can get addicted to your own depression.
    It's so messed and self sabotagey but if you feel like there's no other way it's hard to see yourself any other way

    • @philbattiste9649
      @philbattiste9649 4 дня назад +5

      It becomes an incredible toxic, self-validating cycle that I think Bojack fell into.
      1. I'm a piece of shit and life sucks. Anyone who knew me would leave after seeing the real me.
      2. I pushed people away by being a toxic asshole because I've come to expect that of myself.
      3. People left me for being a toxic asshole. I was right to think I was an unlovable piece of shit.
      4. Go back to step 1 and repeat.
      And this just spirals on and on. And either you wake up from it and work on self healing, or you keep using the pattern as a crutch.

  • @seanmcreary1874
    @seanmcreary1874 4 дня назад +142

    To think a sad horse who was unable to help himself has helped me so much

    • @mosquitopyjamas9048
      @mosquitopyjamas9048 2 дня назад +2

      Is still helping me to this day via videos like this and me changing leading to changing my interpretations and views on characters/myself reflected back at me. Crazy how much this show means to me.

  • @intellectually_lazy
    @intellectually_lazy 4 дня назад +91

    hollyhock has every right to place boundaries of any kind she has to to maintain here comfort and wellbeing. bojack is not her responsibility

    • @mosquitopyjamas9048
      @mosquitopyjamas9048 2 дня назад +3

      I fee this. Having tried to help (and people help me at some points) only to trauma bond at best rather than push through it all. I don't know. I do know I'd never give up on my family but me and my siblings are lucky that we have a tight relationship of support (them missing a lot of my downward spiral back in the day).
      Bojack always has me dive into stream of conscious rambly posts.

    • @mosquitopyjamas9048
      @mosquitopyjamas9048 2 дня назад +2

      Just got to point in video, you're 100% correct and the people who blame Hollyhock probably just haven't experienced this in their lives

  • @dude_thats_rowin
    @dude_thats_rowin 4 дня назад +53

    I think Diane gotta be one of my favorite characters, like, period, like I love her so much

  • @nellieharper2572
    @nellieharper2572 4 дня назад +81

    Ngl, I watched Bojack Horseman around the same time in my life when my mom died. Seeing him go through losing his mom, too, was very helpful. My mom had dementia at the end, too! My mom wasn't the best person either. I struggle some days to do good. Be just a bit better than yesterday. Etc.
    So the ending, where he doesn't die, is super important to me! I've always been depressed and I still think I'll off myself one day... But that doesn't have to be my ending. Life keeps going.

    • @seeleunit2000
      @seeleunit2000 4 дня назад +6

      My condolences to you.
      I can relate to having a complicated relationship to a mom who wasn't always great.
      And you're right about Bojack ending living. It is important because it helped you and I bet it helped others as well

    • @MissAmy929728
      @MissAmy929728 2 дня назад +1

      I wish you the best 😊

  • @russelltietjen4407
    @russelltietjen4407 4 дня назад +97

    One thing I really appreciate in the final season is Diane's journey from wanting to help Bojack more effectively after so many years while also having to make the decision to set some boundaries. It really made me think about a relationship with one of my friends who has always struggled with their mental health. I had been working on myself and realised that while I was busy helping them, it was causing me to look after myself less, so like Diane I decided to get them some help because neither of us can risk a situation like Diane receiving the phone call in View from Halfway down. I've not rested on my laurels about it, I still check in but I'm happy to say that both of us seeking therapy has worked fantastic for us - even if we're not "fixed", we're both doing better and there isn't a constant worry that something could go horribly wrong like there was before. I'm so glad that this show opened up my eyes that I could be doing a lot more for both of us.

    • @ChrisSummers-AlienFaeRE
      @ChrisSummers-AlienFaeRE 4 дня назад

      I find this hilarious that part of the female fantasies always comes around to leaving a "toxic" man behind 😂
      It's not profound it's just giving up on someone with bells on.

    • @Celeste-jh2lj
      @Celeste-jh2lj 4 дня назад +3

      I had a friend just like that but for a while she refused to get help bc it "wasn't in her cards". Two attempts and a massive breakdown on my front porch which caused my mom to step in led to a fallout where we didn't speak for three years. We ended up reconnecting and she's in a much better place after finally getting the help she really needed

    • @russelltietjen4407
      @russelltietjen4407 4 дня назад +1

      @Celeste-jh2lj I'm sorry you and your friend had to fall out like that. But I'm glad you're both in a better place now

    • @Celeste-jh2lj
      @Celeste-jh2lj 3 дня назад +2

      @russelltietjen4407 me too. It's not the same but it doesn't need to be. We set boundaries and talk all the time again. Im glad you and your friend were able to get help. It's not easy but it's better in the end

    • @myam4364
      @myam4364 3 дня назад +3

      have a friend like this to, he was suicidal and we both hated ourselves, we were toxic and we had to separate, fast forward to college and we reconnect, both in better places. i can set boundaries and people please less, he learned to slow down and consider people's feelings. bojack helped me realize my own toxic traits and i learned to improve myself.

  • @aubreyhart-b6t
    @aubreyhart-b6t 4 дня назад +42

    Thanks, dude. You know, watching essay after essay on this show has made me realize that I'm still worthy of changing, even though it's difficult for me. I thank you and other creators for that and I'm happy to find out that it's not over, and I still got this.

  • @codycat6
    @codycat6 4 дня назад +14

    25:39 some insight as someone in recovery for bpd & ocd, both of these disorders & similar ones have a very large element of shame & fear. out of fear that nothing will get better, we can take on ALL the blame for everything wrong and decide that we are terrible people. it's a coping mechanism in a way, believing that the one thing we can control (ourselves) is the thing that's wrong and that we have can fix it & make everything right again. but you can't grow if you fail to properly acknowledge the circumstances you're in, which was the key for bojack's growth as well.

  • @blkgirlcommentary9140
    @blkgirlcommentary9140 4 дня назад +20

    Before I even start watching the video, I just wanna say that Bojack Horseman is a show that I can always rewatch even the dark and ugly moments. And that’s because of the way it helped me realize how I was abusing alcohol and how I was allowing my depression to overtake my entire life. I can’t wait to get through this video and see how you guys feel about it as well.

  • @inastudious
    @inastudious 2 дня назад +3

    you're honestly my favorite video essay channel on bojack horseman and mostly it's bc of the way you speak. you sound so chill and fun and laid back yet excited and engaged at the same time! it's never boring listening to you drone on about this show for hours and hours. i'm just so glad to have stumbled upon your channel once upon a time. i'm ALWAYS excited whenever you post new videos on bojack horseman! thank you!

  • @MiriamOlsen1-z5c
    @MiriamOlsen1-z5c 4 дня назад +13

    I think you should check out Crazy Ex Girlfriend. It has a lot in common with Bojack; positive depictions of mental illness, satire, brutal genre deconstruction of a "feel good" genre hidden by a colorful veneer, characters that seem like typical archetypes but are gradually revealed to have hidden depths. I think you should check it out.

    • @umiy4955
      @umiy4955 3 дня назад +2

      Seconding this! I watched CXG and Bojack during roughly the same time period and it really struck me how much they have in common. For me they're practically companion pieces.

  • @ilikeyoutube7224
    @ilikeyoutube7224 4 дня назад +22

    People wil leave during & after recovery. It will happen.
    Birds of a feather stick together.
    I know people who have gone sober. They lost a lot of family & friends. Because those people wanted whats best for this person but they did not know their own issues or were not ready to face their addictions.
    People will get left behind. Its needed. Sad but, needed.
    Its okay

  • @fishtastic
    @fishtastic 4 дня назад +21

    love this video and absolutely gets the point of why i hate when people say bojack cant change. cuz like he can. and he did!! at the core the whole “you can’t change” idea is an excuse. everyone can, basically what ur video said! i ranted about this in my notes app once lmao

    • @philbattiste9649
      @philbattiste9649 4 дня назад +4

      One of Bojack's biggest flaws is his inability to admit he has power over himself and his choices. It's easier for him to label himself as an out of control villain in a death spiral, because it makes it easier for him to justify his shitty choices to himself. But that's not true. As Todd points out, he may have a fucked up childhood, or issues with drugs and alcohol, but ultimately it is Bojack who makes choices for himself in the present. For Bojack, it's hard to acknowledge his own agency and his own role in his maladaptive coping, because that means admitting to his faults and shortcomings as a person.

    • @fishtastic
      @fishtastic 4 дня назад +3

      @ yes exactly!!! and then you see viewers outside of the show take his mindset as the truth and its like no?? ? the fact he could’ve tried to put the effort in earlier should be a huge sting that he should definitely feel and that goes for not just him but everyone struggling with this type of stuff. u always gotta look at the past right in its face to see how u can do better from it instead of ignoring it bc its gonna come back 😔 and it very much so did for him haha

    • @andyblanton6570
      @andyblanton6570 2 дня назад

      The show makes it clear that he hasn't. None of the main characters do. They're pulling the same shit in season 6 that they were in season 1

    • @fishtastic
      @fishtastic 2 дня назад +3

      @@andyblanton6570 what a boring show that would be 😭

    • @andyblanton6570
      @andyblanton6570 День назад

      @@fishtastic it's exactly what happens

  • @nostalgiamostalgia0319
    @nostalgiamostalgia0319 4 дня назад +24

    My advice to everyone who has any mental or emotional problems: Please seek help and be honest about your feelings and issues because you shall be able to overcome them.

  • @deandredukes95
    @deandredukes95 4 дня назад +12

    Healing is a matter of time, but it is sometimes also a matter of opportunity.

  • @sarahirisfox
    @sarahirisfox 3 дня назад +1

    Great video! I fell in love with the show's depiction of mental health and recovery. It does not demonize the characters for relapsing and it also holds them (especially BoJack) accountable for their actions and being honest with themselves about their problems. I also love that the series finale shows us that healing comes in ebbs and flows and that we can grow and change despite constant setbacks. I love the BoJack Horseman series and this was a great analysis. Thanks!

  • @Moon525
    @Moon525 День назад

    Even though I never watched the Bojack series, I love the introspective thinking this channels videos have.

  • @lern2reed
    @lern2reed 4 дня назад +5

    This video came at the exact right time for me

  • @Crashoutming
    @Crashoutming 4 дня назад +2

    This show got and still gets me through.
    I thank God I started watching it exactly when I needed it.
    I want to get sober for the first time in my life, It’s so hard but I cut off any relationships that didn’t show me any consideration
    I’m starting my life over again with the mindset that I can only control how I react.

  • @Fnafboi78
    @Fnafboi78 4 дня назад +8

    This boutta be a good one for sure

  • @greekgeek8284
    @greekgeek8284 4 дня назад +3

    When I needed to change my meds and didn't know it yet, there was a day I was deeply upset and frustrated with myself, and then my internal monologue started to remind me of Stupid Piece Of Shit. Felt like I had been in a speeding car and somebody slammed on the brakes, completely killed the momentum of the spiral I was in as I realized that I knew where that mindset led, and I didn't want to go there. Didn't fix everything, I've still had plenty of other spirals since then, but they're getting easier and easier to pull out of and recover from all the time, and that realization was definitely a big help with that

  • @Potentialtoothbrush
    @Potentialtoothbrush 4 дня назад +4

    I’m just glad my family is still alive

  • @jaymightplay482
    @jaymightplay482 4 дня назад +10

    12:49 You don’t think prisoners can manage to get alcohol in prison? Oh you sweet summer child

    • @Celeste-jh2lj
      @Celeste-jh2lj 4 дня назад +1

      Must not have heard of toilet wine

    • @burnedbread4691
      @burnedbread4691 3 дня назад +2

      It's more like we assume Bojack is committed to trying to get better. Prison provides structure and routine, and if you are willing, you can use that to help you recover. Season 4 Bojack would have definitely got drugs & alcohol in prison.

  • @bruhhacks3004
    @bruhhacks3004 4 дня назад +8

    "Back, in the 90's, I was in a very famous TV show. I'm Bo-Jack The Horse"

    • @prodlexii4945
      @prodlexii4945 4 дня назад +1

      She jacked my bo until I horsemanned

  • @ashleysank8386
    @ashleysank8386 4 дня назад +1

    This video speaks to me on so many levels. I like the idea of there not being good or bad people and as humans we should just try doing better each day! Bojack Horseman is such an important show.

  • @intellectually_lazy
    @intellectually_lazy 4 дня назад +5

    ja, i never caught that before about chugging his daily ration the moment the clock hits midnight. rough. that's gotta feel like you're almost starving, or that you can barely breathe

    • @burnedbread4691
      @burnedbread4691 3 дня назад +2

      Yeah, i've done something similar. It is a wash of massive emotions all at once. A little relief hits with a TON of guilt. "Why am I like this, why do I need this, why can't I live without it, why am I a failure again..." And then regret, immediately. "There goes the next day's portion already." "Why couldn't I wait a little more?" "Why can't I do this, I have a system afterall". And then MORE guilt. "Why do I keep lying to myself? I've already messed up the system"
      And mixed in is the urge to surrender, to just let it be and get blackout drunk every day. Shit, man, the stars in the bottle always make me cry

    • @intellectually_lazy
      @intellectually_lazy День назад

      @@burnedbread4691 thanks for sharing that. i hope you are well. alcoholism is for real!

  • @Neku628
    @Neku628 4 дня назад +4

    Beatrice has also been a bad influence for Bojack not being able to express his feelings. Joseph said that, "Crying is stupid!" and pretty much made Beatrice just as misogynistic as her husband.

  • @ge0rgialiv
    @ge0rgialiv 4 дня назад +1

    I love this show I have no friends n makes me feel I have a group that understands my mental health the nsin5. When Vanessa said ‘ you do the best you can do n know that’s enough’ helps me know at work years now after the show is over lets me know I’ve done my best

  • @intellectually_lazy
    @intellectually_lazy 4 дня назад +2

    go hollyhock! you just go rock your life out there and shine!

  • @h.r.thompson8525
    @h.r.thompson8525 2 дня назад

    To all the people who relate to Bojack or Diane, look up the symptoms of BPD. Lots of therapists who are certified for depression/anxiety have no clue what to do with personality disorders

  • @Ронан-25
    @Ронан-25 3 дня назад +1

    HOLY FLIP HOW DO YOU MAKE THOSE BIG VIDEOS SO FAST?!?😄

  • @lasseehrenreich5502
    @lasseehrenreich5502 4 дня назад +2

    It is very important to be represent well and correct Thanks for the video about this very important subject it well be good for min Mental Health Please take care of yourself everyone

  • @DomyTheMad420
    @DomyTheMad420 4 дня назад +3

    I've always been upset by the notion that "1 in 5 suffer from [this]".
    I'd say: 1/5 'knows'.
    I would be absolutely shocked if more then 1/1000 could not do with a few months of therapy.
    the louder someone yells they are that one in a thousand, the more damn obvious it is they are not :|

  • @delfinal7560
    @delfinal7560 4 дня назад

    Great video!

  • @_foxpuppet
    @_foxpuppet 4 дня назад

    I saw a reddit post about Bojock Horseman (the show, not the character per se), saying that they were upset about how it repeated itself, and that they wanted the characters to move on from the issues of the early seasons. Which like, I get. But also, I wanted to respond essentially the message of this video; that recovery is not a liner path, and presenting it as such all the time is just upsetting to people who have overwhelming issues to deal with and dishonest to everyone else. But that comment was like, from when season two came out and I saw it recently, so I sure as shit wasn't responding to it now. So I'm saying it here, for a sense of closure, lol.
    But genuinely, I need more analysis of mental illness as a funky process of continual fvck up and revocery, as covered in this video pls. (which is to say, thanks for this video)

  • @sabinatheanomaly
    @sabinatheanomaly 4 дня назад +5

    Can u do a deep dive on Arcane? I'd love to see ur analysis. I miss the old TVWins channel, but this channel is awesome too.

  • @ge0rgialiv
    @ge0rgialiv 4 дня назад +2

    Bojack hurt so many people, hog holly cutting him off was her choice and she was a kid. And got drugged in his care not his fault but a lot of his actions r so you can’t say he shouldn’t get help bc of one horse even if nobody forgives him he should want to be better for bojack

    • @seeleunit2000
      @seeleunit2000 4 дня назад

      You mean Hollyhock. But he does show the capacity for positive changes. It's just frustrating when it doesn't stick

    • @ge0rgialiv
      @ge0rgialiv 4 дня назад

      @ what do you mean? When didn’t it stick? And damn I put holly hock autocorrect is so annoying

  • @intellectually_lazy
    @intellectually_lazy 4 дня назад +1

    yeah, butterscotch is terrible, but as a frustrated writer myself, he cracks me tf up, and his monologues are hilarious... don't go singing my mommy was my daddy at your night club act while gazing longingly at a string of pearls... like, omg! is that bunny? from breakfast of champions? that kills me... and he wanted to be one of the beats... omg! he wouldn't even like those guys, so funny!

  • @aSUGAaddiction
    @aSUGAaddiction 6 часов назад

    For ppl who said Bojack should have died, missed the point. Death is easy. The easier option. Living is hard and hard work. Bojack dying would have taught the lesson that death is an easy escape from your problems and thats a lie.

  • @TheAllSeeingEye2468
    @TheAllSeeingEye2468 4 дня назад +1

    How do you know if your nuts?

  • @hannelorepureline7599
    @hannelorepureline7599 4 дня назад

    I am viewing this show over and over again. Not because i can Identity myself with any of this characters. More because I see my ex, the one I am not really over, in Bojack. I love Bojack maybe the same as i love(d) him. But i don‘t understand how a person can be this reckless and selfish and immoral. I really can not see his point of view. You can feel miserable but also not being an asshole. I still can’t relate, because I could not treat other people like that, even if I am struggling. So I keep watching it over and over…

  • @intellectually_lazy
    @intellectually_lazy 4 дня назад

    omg! is this a closed meeting? i must've blacked out. i don't even remember coming to the rooms!

  • @intellectually_lazy
    @intellectually_lazy 4 дня назад

    todd is so fn deep sometimes

  • @cookiestrong8757
    @cookiestrong8757 4 дня назад

    I’d love to see a deep dive on the show Succession.
    It kind of reminds me of Bojack

  • @Doggybudder
    @Doggybudder 4 дня назад

    liking this video before i even start because i know its gonna slap

  • @Jai137
    @Jai137 4 дня назад

    Its a good essay
    Having said that, what is your opinion when the only therapists shown in the show are bad at their jobs?

  • @triforcewielder8500
    @triforcewielder8500 4 дня назад +1

    Hola from Colorado

  • @julesrules7297
    @julesrules7297 4 дня назад

    S tier video.

  • @saksxmusic
    @saksxmusic 4 дня назад

  • @amy9048
    @amy9048 4 дня назад +1

    commenting on every bojack horseman video #586

  • @andyblanton6570
    @andyblanton6570 2 дня назад

    I feel like the show makes it abundantly clear that most people cannot change.

  • @DomyTheMad420
    @DomyTheMad420 4 дня назад

    11:20 (i may have the patience of Jezus (who i don't believe in) but..)
    NO. you are a 'bad' person.
    Nobody is perfect, everyone messes up.
    Some of us even mess up so horribly it's understandable to take some distance for a bit.
    Been there, done that! But then I went back, talked to them and forgave.
    Because while we can dislike the horrible acts they did;
    they did feel remorse, told you and are trying to change.
    If you cannot see how that is just another person TRYING...
    Then YOU are the one not worthy of my love. :(
    that said i also recognize that the people who make these (dumb)ass choices to break away tend to not be in the healthiest points themselves.
    Not being able to forgive others, a lack of empathy...
    I can only guess at what horrors they lived through to get this jaded and hateful.
    Forgiveness.
    Love.
    Patience.
    I hope you'll understand this one day. :)

  • @azariyahabib
    @azariyahabib 2 дня назад

    I don’t agree with what diane said about there not being “good” or “bad” people out there. yes there are people who are capable of both good and evil, but there are also people out there who have no moral compass, and who don’t care about any of the bad things they’ve done. I would say that’s fundamentally evil, and I’m not talking about people who are capable of change, I’m talking about people who don’t see anything wrong with their actions and don’t want to change. I understand that calling yourself a “bad person” might be an excuse to some people but in some cases I do believe it applies.

    • @Star_dust_c
      @Star_dust_c 8 часов назад

      So, out of curiosity, do you not consider Bojack to be a bad person?

  • @jaymightplay482
    @jaymightplay482 4 дня назад +3

    First

  • @giornogiovannax4124
    @giornogiovannax4124 4 дня назад

    this video has a lot of yapping