Belgian bishop defrocked: Last Week in the Church with John Allen Jr.
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- In this episode: 0:00 Introduction
5:10 Is the Pope okay?
11:21 Vatican challenges German bishops
15:41 ISIS attack in Russia a risk for Easter?
19:21 Belgian bishop defrocked
26:46 Remembering the Ardeatine massacres
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As a Presbyterian minister in Canada, I appreciate your informative and thoughtful review of the week within the global Roman Catholic Church.
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John, I hope you get some rest and enjoy the beauty of Holy Week. Take good care of yourself.
Love the Church's Social Teaching and Principles...❤❤❤
Hope you feel better soon, they say rest is critical for the immune system to do its thing 😮
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Happy Holy Week and Happy Easter.
Thank you to all journalists...!...globally....!!!
Oh and re: the Bishop Saunders prosecution for sexual abuse in Australia, he's also known to have " misused" > $100,000 given by parishioners (in a very poor area) for grooming of minors, soccer trips, and alcohol for underage boys. Did I say heinous, it's worse.
That has gone very quiet. Police investigation
I just found this channel. I have already "shared" with friends who look for honest and clear Vatican information. Your leaning seems traditional yet you present items as balanced as I had hoped. Well done. Please add a THANKS tab. This is well worth contributing to. Thank you.
This grieving situation in our Catholic Church regarding sexual abuse is an old Dinosaurs it started a longtime ago, it has been the most damaging issues in our Beloved Church and most humiliating. Grooming is not just a pathological behavior, it started often in Catholic Home with grand parents abusing their own grand children. Sexullay abusing children is a hideous crime and the abuser love to revenge and make the church pay a heavy price for the traumas they have themselves been subject to and hiding themselves under the mantle of holy orders. Father Marcel, Marcel of the Legionary of Christ was not just a phedilfile, he was a psychopath who was protected by many of his entourage.The Catholic Belgium community is upset and disgusted and they are traumatized and humiliated ounce again by the long silence of a pre-historic hierarchy...disgusting I would say
🙏🙏🙏 for the Holy Spirit of GOD to enlighten guide and sanctify the church
In ascribing the Belgium people as "jaded and cynical" you appear to denigrate them. Given the facts as you stated them, the Belgium people have every right to question the sincerity and effective address of the Vatican to its dealings with pedophilia. As an ardent supporter to Pope Francis and his vision for the Church, his refusal to deal quickly and effectively with this Belgium case leaves me with doubts about his ability to deal honestly with this heinous sin of the Church at large.
Absolutely! There is nothing ''cynical' about recognising the failings of the church for what they are.
Words like 'clear-sighted' and 'perceptive' might be more appropriate when talking about Belgian public reaction.
Belgian people
Comparing Francis to St. John Paul II, is like comparing apples and oranges. There is NO comparison of Francis to St. John Paul "the Great". ABSOLUTELY NONE!
In your humble opinion?
That is meant as a gentle reminder that we are to honor our father and mother, even if they disappoint us. I do not mean this as a "zinger", as I can well understand your feelings.
His Holiness must change the heads of the Secretariat for Communication & The Dicastery of the Faith, ... really. The fact that he isn't speaking "off the cuff" is a good thing. I wish him health & salvation.
[marna7325] You support a Pope who embraces "homosexuals and pedophiles"?? Really!!!!!!!!!!
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I’m pretty impressed with your knowledgeable reporting of the case of Vangheluwe, an old case in small country. You missed the recent developments:
1. The public broadcaster made a 4 hour documentary series with interviews of victims of pedophilia in the Catholic Church and family members of victims who committed suicide. The nephew of Vangheluwe who made the recording of his interview with cardinal Daneels featured prominently in the documentary. That was a first. The man never sought publicity. It was broadcasted last November and December and the impact on the public opinion was huge.
2. It is an election year in Belgian. Political parties wanted to capitalise on the public outrage. The federal parliament convened a public enquiry that is currently going on. One of the outcomes could be the recommendation of the abrogation of the concordat. Nader the concordat, the state pays the salaries of the Roman Catholic clergy. That would be a dramatic blow to the Belgian church.
3. Religion and churches resort under the Ministry of Justice in Belgium. The liberal party of the Justice minister and the prime minister is not popular. They try to energise their traditional voting base going after the church. Vangheluwe made it ease to attack the church and the pope directly.
4. The bishop of Antwerp, Johan Bonny is the referent in the bishops conference for all forms of abuse. Bonny did basically the same thing as the justice minister: make the pope and Vangheluwe the big problem. Bonny went to visit Vangheluwe and begged him to ask the pope for a laicisation. Bonny announced later Vangheluwe wrote a letter to the pope but couldn’t confirm he asked for laicisation.
5. After some months passed, the apostolic nuncio gave an interview to Belgian press and declared he was sure Vangheluwe didn’t ask for laicisation and that the pope couldn’t intervene without new elements that warranted a reopening of the case.
6. This is unbelievable but it happened: the justice minister gave a live interview where he said Vangheluwe watched porn and announced this was a new element.
7. The prime minister asked the nuncio again rather publicly to ask the pope for the laicisation of Vangheluwe.
8. The pope laicised Vangheluwe.
In short: the documentary whipped up the Belgians, the politicians want to get votes out of this, the Belgian church uses an Vangheluwe and the pope as a deflection and the Vatican is probably afraid what the abrogation of the concordat in Belgium could mean for the Belgian church and probably more importantly for the financial powerhouse of the German Catholic Church. Breaking the concordat in one EU country will be like opening a can of worms and other EU countries will no doubt be influenced.
Greetings from Belgium.
Francis does bow to secular political/media pressure.
He's both a political and media animal.
My prayers are with you John hope your cold goes away soon - Blessings
“Defrocked”? Why is Anglican terminology being used here? The Catholic word is “laicised”.
The word "defrocked" is an English word meaning the same thing as laicized, except that laicization is requested by the priest, while one is defrocked as a punishment, since it evokes the medieval ceremony of removing all ecclesial apparel. Wikipedia has a moving account by John Foxe of the defrocking of Thomas Cranmer in 1556 under Queen Mary I of England and Ireland, (and of Spain and the Hapsburg dominions as the wife of King Philip II of Spain).
The word “defrocked” has no meaning in the canon law of the Latin church.
An appeal to a 16th century usage is hardly relevant and Wikipedia is not exactly a scholarly source.
The word “defrock” should not be used in a Catholic context.
Dear@@martincunningham5815, point is, it is not an "Anglican" word, and it was used quite properly in this context. But why is it so important to you to argue over this one word?
I mean, I'm an English major, and a bit of a nerd about words. And I KNOW that I am being silly to respond to your objection. But I can't help wondering, what is your excuse? Have I met a soul-mate?
The failure to deal with homosexual sex abuse and the priestly abuse of nuns by liberal priests and bishops is just one malignant cancer of this papacy.
I loved John's sign off on Fr Pappagallo
I thought it was reactionary priests?
Like Father Marcel... etc etc etc
@@fiachramaccana280 Marko Rupnik. Francis' bestie.
Why will German bishops obey Pope if our Pope Bergolio himself is not faithful to Christ?
There are many Protestant churches that would gladly welcome you into their organizations.
@@Criticalthink21st They're even more confused and divided that Pope Francis
Synods are, and always have been assemblies of Bishops. There no reason other decision making bodies of the church, from parish councils to diocesan or nation representational bodies could involve lay people or lower clergy in decisions about financial or organizational affairs, (economia), but these are not synods... synodality" aside. In the tradition of the church, the pre-schismatic universal church, only bishops can decide matters of faith and order. Anyone interested in this should refer back to the presentation of the orthodox representative at the "Synod on Synodality". Debate on anything is one thing, and theologians, and famously merchants in the marketplace in Constantinople, are entitled to express their opinions, but only bishops in synod or council can make decisions on major issues.
These synods are not that type of synod. These synods are advisory bodies created as “Synod of Bishops” in the ‘1960s. You are thinking of the council synods like the 393 Synod if Hippo. These are two different things. Maybe one day they will rename this advisory body to avoid confusion.
Wow, this reminds me of BISHOP SAUNDERS in Australia, currently preparing for trial, involving the sexual abuse of 30-60 aboriginal male youth FOR OVER 50 YEARS. Just more heinous sin. Incomprehensible. Shouldn't the millstone be put on the Catholic church?
The Catholic Church is not to blame for those who defy her teachings and reject her authority. Just as the law is not to blame for those who choose to break the law.
This sounds ridiculous. Go to confession for arrogance. Exorcist Fr. Amorth advised Humility, humility, humility!"
RUclips management don't even warrant a derisory comment, for their pathetic "observation" of the real world today, they are beyond Woke.
Yeah, they delete my comments and slap 24 hour bans on me
Non.
Daneels. Shiver.
Bergoglio's whip in the Conclave
FYI -- There is no country Belgian, it is BELGIUM .
Drain the swamp .🙈🙊🙉
John, you are struggling. Is that the cold or the content?
A homily is an actual liturgical act therefore the Vatican is right in saying that a homily by the pope on palm Sunday this year doesn't exist... What you have is simply a reflection for palm Sunday 2024 not a homily
I wish Pope Francis a speedy recovery, and I don't want to insinuate anything, but nevertheless, I would be interested to know who are currently the most serious papabili contenders in the next conclave.
I think the puppeteers decided that the homily was TOO POLITICAL and not for palm sunday.
Can't find that Magisterium AI App!
Ex bishop from Belgium: an absolute disgrace it took so long....
Joshua was here
I like perspicacity
It is a shame that the Belgian population is allowing itself to be led as a herd into anger and public vindictiveness, encouraged by the enemies of religion or of the Catholic Church. Pedophilia is a mental illness against which the pedophile can hardly defend himself, especially since he is most often in denial. The fault is therefore not the illness itself but the inability of the people around the pedophile to detect this pathological behavior, to protect the children and treat the damages without public drama.
I feel like this is just victim blaming
Such a statement, AN ILLNESS, sick and vile 🤮😡🇮🇪
You've got hype and hope backwards. Pope Francis has the mind of a 16 year old hippie in the body of an 87 year old.
Thanks again John. Have a blessed Holy Week. Hey, what do the Ukranians think of Francis describing the Moscow terrorism as "vile and inhuman" when he does not speak that way about ongoing attacks on civilian targets in Ukraine?
There will NEVER be a "synodal" church, deaconesses, priestesses, or monkesses. Forget it!
In I.
I thought cloistered contemplative nuns were 'monkesses'
That is not a church.
He did the silent homily last year!
why did the nephew accept grooming by a priest uncle ?
Regarding grooming of young relatives of Roger Vangheluwe Find the Flemish reports and google translate if needed. These very young children apparently were sent to Roger’s room by the unsuspecting parents who were hosting him. One nephew in particular has been so brave and so articulate. - he deserves our thanks and our prayers. BEDANKT MARK, JE BENT EEN HELD.
The Germans have had these issues since Humanae Vitae. Pope after pope has allowed them a long leash for 60 years. Pope Francis didn’t begin this issue, he inherited it.
No they didn't. They were liberal but leashed.
Francis gave them lots of hope that they could try it on.
They were right.
The Sos had exactly the same issues as the German 'Synodal way'.
The Sos was a huge disappointment to Francis; hence Fiducia supplicans.
I just wonder who made such
a notorious man as Pope
What a shame to have him as a Head of
Catholic churches ! ?
You don't believe the Holy Spirit guides the Cardinals? That's a shame.
@blindknitter yeah like trying to ban all Lati. Mass against the Quo Primum and traditional Catholics Bishops and priests being hounded?
@@blindknitter We have had dreadful popes in the past. We have a dreadful pope now. The St Gallen mafia (self-titled) aren't the Holy Spirit and they directly contradicted Pope JohnPaul ll's 'Universi Dominici Gregis' rules for conclave and no electioneering before.
Most of our woeful cardinals are not holy men.
You sound like a child.
There are many Protestant churches you could join! Free yourself from self imposed restrictions on Christian milieus. Catholics theology requires freedom from prejudicial, convenient lazy reasoning. That doesn’t mean you can’t find peace in a more insulated environment. I hope you find peace.
@@Criticalthink21st Because of Scripture which you of the bizzare warring multiplicities are schizo about.
And the Catholic
You wonder why Martin Luther happened? Look at Germany. Action needs to be taken. Enough of the pillow fights.
As hard as you try otherwise the fruits coming out of the Catholic Church of ''Francis'', that not of Jesus though , ARE rotten, indeed... for hype or no hype, ''something is rotten in the state of DAMNmark'', quasi quoting the bard.
''Let Francisco (and su compania) know...''.
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JA on top form except the cold which sounded more like the throes thereof rather than the tail end! A trouper!😆
While I enjoy the farcical, the lewd, the embarassing, the awkward stories as much as anyone, and the Belgian bishop fiddling with his own nephew - both of them, in fact, as it turns out - is as gross and cringeworthy as it's possible to imagine (compounded, if that's possible to imagine, by the repulsive old perv gaily continuing to dig his own reputational grave apparently TOTALLY unawares of the effects he was having, never mind on the victims and their parents, but on his own colleagues on whom he seemed PERFECTLY happy to continue to bury in tonnes of ordure, presumably the spoil he was generating not merely from his own - but from THEIR reputations too.
The Catholic Church CLEARLY is so laissez faire even about so ghastly a sequence of events, that it doesn't evidently give two figs - about ANYTHING apparently. That it could leave the matter pending for so long that even the other bishops of that country are begging the Vatican to come and do the investigation even though it'll involve them all getting put through the wringer and likely each of them get a bollocking too when the paedo gets defrocked - is bad enough - but then to hurry it along merely because it would otherwise be "uncomfortable" for a papal visit (and even if not for that reason in fact, nevertheless it's likely that's what people will think..) shows an astonishing arrogance that is as far from "holiness" as can be imagined. Frankly, the whole thing makes me feel slightly nauseous and break out in itchy hives...
..as always, it's John himself who seems to provide the milk of magnesia and calamine lotion - again, the stories of scandal, sadism, sleaze and sex are titillating but I dont seek those out - i dont even like hearing about the government or the royals getting themselves in trouble - it's always here the heartwarming stories of grace, humility, sincerity, simplicity, authenticity and sacrifice - where the ions in the air crackle a little more sombrely - and which John so clearly relates to and empathises with. That's when I find I stop stirring the sauce cos i dont want to miss a word and then find I'm burning it yet somehow not really minding. Again, I get more inspiration from him than i do all the priests and prelates of the Church....
Nice to know the former bishop can get a blessing along with whomever is "husband" may be.
Ridiculous post.
Just being prescient. You have a serial abuser of a child relative, and he's going to seek NAMBLA people, and surely, he will have an adult significant "other", if for no reason other than to avoid arrest, and they, as a couple can indeed bop on up and get a blessing. That is all quite realistically possible. That is the Francis mojo in action. Just like the "couple" in Mexico with that well-known actor there, first they bopped on over for a civil marriage, and then bopped on over for a couple's blessing, and ALL with the approval of the papal nuncio. It's a papal sacrament: an outward sign, instituted by the pope, allegedly to "give grace". I think I am 100 percent accurate in describing the new papal non-sacrament sacrament. You have to realize the level of depravity going on. It would be nice if it were merely depraved indifference, but what we have is anything but indifferent, it's depraved interests in action. It is. Look at that old fairy that was molesting people for decades, what's his name? What a piece of work that guy is. I mean it needs to be said. After all they have an alphabet of names to use, and I think they should be used, queer, is one. Must be fairy in there somewhere?@@jimduffy7199
That’s really bloody insulting to our LGBTQI+ Catholic brothers and sisters who resist temptation and remain faithful. Not all gay people are pedophiles and only in the Catholic Church are pedophiles predominantly (by no means exclusively) gay it seems… outside the church girls who suffer SA from male pedos far more than boys do
what the Hell are you?
Mr. Allen, Jr. you are all-over-the-place with your almost incessant "chatter". Would you kindly mind speaking to the point?
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