The Dragonflight 10.2 "Ending" Was Embarrassing (Rage Warning)
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- Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2023
- Despite World of Warcraft Dragonflight being regarded as a stronger expansion in the WoW lineup, this ending cinematic for Patch 10.2 has been met with an extreme amount of hate. And you're about to see why! Despite the expansion offering players a fun and refreshing time on the Dragon Isles - a welcome addition to World of Warcraft - this ending cinematic left fans feeling borderline insulted by the "family values" that it offered.
What do you all think? In this video, Nixxiom shares his thoughts on the ending cinematic for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.
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Omg are you saying it was a "It's not about the war, it was about the friends we made along the way" ending? That...I'm dead man!
9:06 And the game said it is ok to be the "evil" guy. Same with the orcs in WC2. In WoW we always had that problem except for the short time of the Death Knight starting zone. I was so mad when it was ended and I realized I have to play the "good guy" now. Anyway, now we truly went far from the origins. We should go back to that feeling what the WC2 starting cinematic or the orc cinematics have. Lok-Tar Ogar! 🤘
if had guess how aspect power work maybe to us looks maybe just same lazy writing just prob excuse my eyes. maybe aspect more potent so say never seen them go full power. maybe gotten powerful aspect abilites when get it back maybe more powerful again this aspect maybe throw sh about unlike cata but that be my guess
also on non rp realms play vulprea or gnmoes as warrior or dk watch beat people pvp like think about people why getting by midget warrior name kneecapite or tiny little vulprea shooting people with dk frost magic. then again do like playing tiny races pvp think funny lol espically know person behind screen get mad
i thought there would be more about the dream im very sad so i just bought ff14 online
"You... are not...family" - Illidan probably
Zoval: "A divided cosmos will not survive...family..."
Garrosh "victory or.... family"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
," Illidan said calmly.
Arthas: " i only see...family before me"
Ner'zhul: Now, we are a Family.
Arthas: The real Family was all the Undead Friends we made along the way.
Kel'Thuzad was family
I want in ICC have an option to befriend arthas instead of beating him and become a family and join lgbt+-
You want a man who looks at you the way Kel'Thuzad looked at Arthas.
Arthas then gives sylvanis a hug
nathanos gets cucked@@Yanrogue
Dragon flight:With the power of friendship everything is possible
Vanilla Warcraft: “war, war never changes “
Playing through Fallout New Vegas again because WoW is mostly dead to me, so I recognize that epic line.
Mists of Pandaria: *casual ethnic cleansings*
@@johnkillingsworth5135 The Burning Man must've taught you well...
@@CandyChaos7Burning man is a little bitch, couldnt kill a tribe storm stingers by himself.
@@hydromancer4916 Mists of Pandaria had great writing imo, Ik lot of people hated it but it's one of my faves
In Classic you have locations with people hanging from a rope, or being impaled on spikes. There's human skin hung to dry, or leather made from humans (IIRC).
Like that's some dark shit! And I feel that's missing from Warcraft. Everything has to be PEGI-3 when it used to be at least PEGI-12 or PEGI-16.
Even mists of pandaria the expansion joked about being for kids had things like mantid being impaled (while still alive and moving) yaungol being barbaric warmongers killing everything in sight, the sunwalker tauren expedition where quite a few tauren died (including a baby in the short story)
Is that really dark?
I think that garygoryle trying to worm it way and possess that guy is worst.
Well just look at the kara crypts, i loved the theme and mystique behind it despite it being grotesque. It fit the theme of world of warcraft really well and I can't wait to see it implemented into SoD as a raid! SOD HYPE SOD HYPE
Hate to be the guy that says this bit ff14 does have these after each instance or raid final boss.
Its all fruit baskets now
Man, that clip with Taran Zhu teasing Garosh gave me goosebumps, that zoom was perfect. 8:25
I had forgotten how good that cinematic was! When I rewatched it while making this video I got reminded how badass MoP was at times.
As someone who hated the general theme and aesthetic of MoP, I'll admit that moment was badass and the chain pull to axe stab at the end of the convo was chef's kiss peak WoW.
Man MoP honestly was cool people tend to give it too much shit. Wish we had a villain like the thunder king again
@@nefersrs761 MoP was unironically one of the best expansions WoW ever had. Many say the last really good one.
MoP gets too much crap to be honest. The overall theme and aestheric might not have jived with most people, but the story and lore were *awesome* for the most part.
I love the part when Fyrakk said, "It's Fyrakkin time!" And then proceeded to Fyrakk all over the place.
Ah nah I'm boutta Fyrakk
@@J.O.H.N-The-SecondDude I lost it when I saw your comment on my notifications. I can't breathe right now. 😂😂😂😂😂
Hey, I came up with that one.
Glad to see someone enjoyed it.
Fyrakk the Frycook
It's about Fyrakkin' time
I feel like another RUclipsr said it pretty well.
If after the raid was over, you go all the way back to valdrakken and you’re tasked with seeing the aspects on their rise at the top and you go up there and they have a cinematic similar to this, people wouldn’t mind it nearly as much. But this was the END OF RAID cinematic! Fyrrak never had a chance show his downfall in his cinematic. Crendor compared this to the Arthas cinematic with his father, and like. We WANTED to see fyrrak’s downfall after this. Have the voice actor have a blast and give a maniacal death rattle as he is defeated… we never got that. Instead we got this.
So it's worse than the Jailer end cinematic - at least you get to see him die.
@@NostraDavid2 I suppose so
Feels bad man
It would be funny if Fyrrak shows up again next Expansion, proclaiming he ran off when no one was looking
@@vincentbeton he’s constantly a spaghetti western villain! XD I love that
Even Pandaria had some family aspects (When Chen asked why we fight in the cinematic ) but MoP had better writing and was in general quite brutal especially at the end with the SoO cinematic with Varian warning Vol'jin. That was Warcraft
Exactly, and even then it had genuine good "lessons" from it that wasn't condescending, but wise and powerful. I like when the writing has emotions, it leaves an impact.
This however has zero emotions, it feels so empty. And fake.
Or the "Theramore survivors" tied up as target dummies in the siege of orgrimmar raid.
For as silly as it was there was still brutal stuff.
And your king is dead 😅😅😅
Mists of Pandaria was blasted by players for being “Kung fu panda” and making a joke out of lore. But the writing was decent, the lore was epic. I thought MOP was amazing. But Blizz should’ve retconned the Pandaren into humanoids of some form, and avoided the shift to more cute animal races and Nickelodeon looking stuff dominating in game scenes. The cartoonish pandaren were the biggest weakness of MOP. The dragonflights were epic and intimidating in vanilla, now they’re soft cartoons for kiddies with the Drakthir which look and sound straight out of Dragontales 🤦♂️
MoP was awesome ToT and SoO brings back memories. Vale of eternal blossoms to Vale of Eternal sorrows ost is timeless like Timeless isle. I learned to tank on my pally back then. I miss the broken Eternal Flame......
We went from beefy dragons orcs and dudes beating each other up to twink dragons with daddy issues.
We went from metalheads running blizzard to California women so makes sense.
@@alms07yup...devs that want to make gigachad games arent majority anymore...blizzard is now full of employees that seem to like animal crossing type of games more than something that og wow was...and thats what its going to turn into at some point
@@progger1638im pretty sure we are allready there
@@alms07 And Californian men lol not to mention the nonbinaries ☠️ more of them than actual feminine women
@@alms07 1000%, septum piercings and blue hair write most of blizzard now
Glad you brought up their “aspectral powers.” Felt like Cataclysm’s ending signified that it was now up to us, Azeroth’s heroes, to defend the world. But guess we have to undo that to make way for big mom energy Alexstrasza and her family to protect Azeroth for us with the power of friendship and glowy eyes
This friendship stuff made me think of Little Kuriboh's take on Tea Gardner from Yugioh. Even his scratchy voice.
Good shoutout, Yugioh abridged is awesome. Yeah, its exactly the same sort of stuff she would say.
At least that take has the benefit of being funny. But they're playing this sh!t straight.
I love swtor for the fact that the whole game you're at war with republic or sith, with dialogue options that fuck with the opposing faction ever prevalent, even when they "come together". The feel of consistent conflict is there
It's NOT what the audience wants! It's what the freaking Funko Pop Bay Area fake nerds claim to want!
You mean Twitter 😂
I have never agreed more with a video. This. THIS man speaks the TRUTH! WE MADE THE PATH OF GLORY! NOT THE PATH OF FAMILY! (You know, the road the orcs made on Draenor of the skulls and bones of dead draenei.)
But it was never about killing Draenei... It was about killing innocent as one Orc family and die together as one BlueGoat family🥹
It’s not that the aspects couldn’t bless Teldrassil it’s that they refused to because it was a greedy ask.
And after the cleansing of Teldrassil from Emerld Nightmare's corruption, Malfurion rejected the blessing that was offered by the dragons.
I remember reading they blessed Teldrassil after it was cleaned up. Maybe I'm misremembering, or a retcon happened.
IN THE NAME OF THE MOON,
IMMA ZUG ZUG YOU!!😂
"you sacrificed your immortality to defeat a gigantic alien and now you want it back? pure greed"
-aspects, probably
@@Coaltergeist Asking for a gift is just greed. Gifts are given, not demanded. That's tribute. And now you tell me that the Aspects owe tribute to the Kaldorei.
You make such a great point! The players are SICK of this Silicon Valley lecture therapy where EVERY character in the storyline becomes a weak whiny biscuit who needs to talk about their feelings ALL THE TIME.
Less huggy feely and more Garrosh calling a sassy elf a biscuit.
We know who the target audience is, look at all the tamed looking armor set, look at the selfie mechanics, look at the way the dragon aspects looks now, look at the next love is in the air cosmetics, look at all the puppy pets we can get. We KNOW what audience they targeting
Furries
The artist have a lot of furries among them, the problem is at the source@@anthonyschwartz1084
Exactly. Scalies and furries, apparently. And gays. All kinds of gays. Male, female, everything inbetween. Story? Who needs that these days? Theyre progressive now. They progressed all over storytelling and lore. Its just retcons and dating sim between npcs now.
@@Grivehn Sad thing is they can't even do that part right. Most LGBT people that I've interacted with in video games are totally down for the badass epic stuff. They just want representation but the writers take it upon themselves to lazily copy paste these shit ass flawless morally perfect characters that can do no wrong. People just want interesting, flawed characters, and an epic story/world.
@@Seananigans13I'm not personally down with the gay and trans stuff but if they can wrote a good character I don't care what hole a character like to get into. blizzard has been all but incapable of solid character creation and development for a long time. They just hijack established characters like chromie for virtue points and good press
Dude you were summoning your inner Chris Metzen in this video
LOL. Thank you.
When bro dropped that family line, that's where I lost it. I know it was his whole mission this expansion but man it really rubbed me the wrong way.
Correct. It feels out of place. I liked it for the whole Blue dragonflight story. Because made sense when every single one went their own ways. But for the rest not really. Feels indeed like a a power of friendship instead.
The sad, simple problem with Dragonflight's ending cinematic duo is that, like, just having a cutscene of Amidrassil suddenly materialize into Azeroth with a thunderous shockwave would have been what we wanted and what previous expansions would have shown. And we know that exact thing is exactly what happened, and is basically what the Legion cinematics amounted to: earth shattering moment where suddenly Azeroth changed.
It was also one of the best parts of the epilogue that followed the raid.
This is the problem with writting diverse characters that serve as self inserts for the audience. You are not allowed to have them lose and be weaker/ inferior to the bad guys.
When your "good guys" aren't allowed to lose, you can't write good villains.
That has nothing to do with diversity though, this is a common writing problem that got made even worse by Marvelization of story writing.
Fyrakk was a freakin jobber, Iridikron is the only real villain and he's gonna be a huge threat in the future.
what makes alexstraza a self-insert? this is just poor writing. also lots of series with amazing character/world development the main characters cant lose like One Piece
Diversity isn't the problem here, and I don't really see any of them as self-inserts. The issue people are having with these cinematics come mostly down to the line deliveries and subject matters.
@@ironic_waterdiverse now usually mean all the same thinking woke liberals with different skin color. These people lack creativity and originality that is why they love to race or gender swap original characters in movie. Look at the current Hollywood dumpster fire, marvel are full of these leftist diverse people that can't write. Wow has the same type of people.
Its ok...its setting the stage for Xal'atath to have a emotional outburst and say that she's evil because she never had a loving family. At the end of the saga's last raid , Azeroth herself will manifest to give her a hug and tell her that she can be that loving parent Xal never had. Then, and only then, Xal will join us around the campfire, singing the campfire song.
Why does this actually seem plausible.
Then in the third expansion, the Titan Pantheon comes back with a reformed Sargeras and Illidan as best pals, (Pals... I mean boyfriends, its 2023, friendship between guys doesnt exist anymore) ready to join in on the family fun. Maybe they will adopt Malfurion so he can come back from the Shadowlands where he has been shoved in to avoid having him in an Emerald Dream patch for Ysera, whose presence didnt actually matter at the end of the day.
shut up, Danuser...
After she kills untold amounts of people. Denuser is such a horrible writer he has characters do a Hitler and just makes it all ok in the end with a nice hug and some forgiveness
please dont give them ideas
Blizzard: Flowers, love and family
Nixx: We need blood and darkness!
Me: Yes Nixx! Tell them! 😎
Blizzard : it is about family.
Dominic toretto: i do not have friends, I have family.
Not trying to defend Dragonflight, but Shadowlands had plenty of blood and darkness and it still sucked donkey balls.
@@torum6448 You got a point. They need to take the good part of previous expansions and add them in the new ones. Talking about feelings and friendship seems funny in a game based on war... We need blood, darkness & nice lore, things Nixx also mentioned. 🤭
@@morrowoblivion13 🤣🤣🤣
The thought of the aspectral power being the ability to understand things coupled with alexstrasza saying "Now I understand..." in the end cutscene is just hilarious.
Like... funny to think we were spending this whole time... basically trying to raise a group of dragon's I.Q. back to average. We did it, guys. They get it now.
"This isn't the Titans gift tvis tume.." only the Titan Azeroth. Gj writing team. ;,)
This is EXACTLY how I feel, hit the nail on the head with this one.
There's no individual, fleshed out characters in Retail WoW lore anymore, it's all just a hivemind, they all do the same thing, they have no individuality, it's really bad.
The individual, different viewpoints still exist in wow. The difference with today's wow is ALL the different characters are painted as the unplayable antagonist's whereas wow of old would paint characters and factions we affiliate with as these characters. It's like Blizzard is too afraid to actually write realistic story telling and want us only to relate to the "good guys".
Exactly true. Everybody who has a personality has an arc. And the arc is losing that personality and becoming a mega bland nobody.
I mean look at Thrall. Thrall had a spine, a temper, the will to fight and kill for the right of his people to live. What is he now? Some old grandpa.
Game is not about killing demons its about becoming family with demons. Its not about destroying world destroying beings but becoming a family with world destroying beings. Its not about fighting or pvp, the game is about hugs and kisses, flowers and bees. The sunshine of azeroth world.
"A lot of your playerbase wants a little bit of testosterone put back into World of Warcraft"
BASED and also agreed! This ain't a disney movie, we're not learning about the power of friendship here- we're learning about the power of WEAPONS AND SPELLS AND COOL STUFF THAT MAKES THINGS DIE HORRIBLY here
Yes I agree, I’ve played horde for 16 years I don’t want to work with the alliance I want to crush them. I gave up when they made me be the bitch to tyrande and her husband on my orc in legion, it makes no sense
I don't think it even was "testosterone" writing back then (I'm a woman and I enjoyed it was more back then). It was much more emotional and impactful too before, as well as "dark".
It was an "adult" writing, now it's as you've said it, childish. It's Disney writing and not the good kind.
@@issa.g9310 then play something made for soys to begin with
sh sh shhh. Just play Doom.
Tbh i want them to hire an edgelord to assist with the story writing again so we see more of the dark fantasy aspects that were present in Warcraft 3 and classic WoW. Like bring back the mutilated and/or hanging corpses and depressing mini stories that were all over the plaguelands
Every year I replay Warcraft 3 to remember what Warcraft used to be.
4:30 end of Warcraft 3 RoC, Medivh also said Azeroth no longer needs Guardians because Mortals (Us) have proved ourselves.
you put EXACTLY how i feel about the games story direction into perfect words. i'm hoping the majority of people (who actually still play retail) being pissed about this will show blizzard that we don't want this cheesy BS in the game, really crossing my fingers that the world soul saga will bring that epic feeling back into the game.
I think the World Soul saga will be not like that, what we want (thats my opinion) 🥲
the whole 3 people that still play retail are somewhat furious, but are currently focused on that secret flower pet everyone wants
This vibe started in Bastion.... the utter castration of the game
When a game company prioritizes things other than the quality of the story, this is what you get.. To blizzard, as long as their mythic raids are good in their eyes then the game is good. Oh, but they can’t even do that right because you have to use a potion to even see the spelt effects clearly on your dungeon and raid floors.
Same writers who will be working on the next three expansion by the way. Even if Metzen is back, don't expect the storytelling to drastically change. He can only have so much control over what will happen.
Most Based opinion you have had in a while Nixxiom, didnt even stop to think about the whole Aspectral Power stuff, 100% it had zero weight.
My favorite part of warcraft lore is when arthas returned to lordareon after being corrupted by the frostmourne and he says “oh yeah its family time” and he tells the entirety of lordareon how important family is
"WHAT ARE YOU DOING MY SON?!"
"Throwing a BBQ..Father!"
I mean, yeah, in this book he feels how old his father looked, how the latest events aged him up, and thought that he wouldn't have to struggle anymore. And when raising his subjects into undead, he thought that they would never betray him and spoke of them with affection... and when they did turn on him (during Frozen Throne) he was legitimately hurt, and only then started to view them as tools (unlike Sylvanas who viewed Forsaken as "arrows in her quiver" from day one). So you could say he viewed them as his family ;p
You know what? This ending cinematic kinda reminds me of RUclips rewind 2018 where they talk in front of a campfire.
Because we are family.
When Pandaria has a better example of WARcraft than the new expansion
"It's about CUMMING together... as a family."
3 out of 10? Damn, you're a generous guy.
i know they're going the peacecraft route, but it'd be awesome if they made the horde vs alliance a sort of cold war vibe with proxy wars
This, would be cool to see tension between them and probably the outburst in new conflict, you don’t just become family 5 years after you fought your last war (genocide included) for new found resource. Even if leaders could make treaties, common folks aren’t supposed to forget things this fast. Sylvanas didn’t burn one of the capitals and didn’t poison the whole Ashenvale alone, how nelfs and worgen can now be “fwiends uwu” with undead?
Dragonflight's ending would be like watching a Warhammer 40K tournament that ended with the two players signing a peace treaty.
A peace treaty AND a trade agreement. 🤮
What was that one rule the guard had where you would blast them, only one conscript would die and the rules say "only one model can die lel"
I think someone is bound to bail.
You touched on a great point about how they’re watering down things. Like for me I have a gripe with them making a man’ari skin for the Draenei. It ignores 10,000 years of the manari hunting the Draenei across hundreds of worlds all while they did the exact same thing they did to the orcs. The army of light fought then for thousands of years, the illidari sacrificed their very humanity to fight them, but they finally apologized for 10,000 years of intergalactic genocide and enslavement so now they’re the good guys?
Are you actually against having some Man’ari regret joining the Legion in the first place and wanting to make amends for their past misdeeds? How would you go about writing a sympathetic portrayal of an average member of the Burning Legion instead?
@@zacharyarons6950 the thing is, they only turned “sympathetic” when they lost. The legion has been around for 10,000 years, and the Manari where one of the first races corrupted. Uncountable worlds got genocided and eradicated and they never stopped trying until they got beat so thoroughly they could not continue. That’s not a sympathetic bad guy. That’s a bad guy who lost and is just trying to jump ship to save themselves. If Illidan never brought aid the Lightforged on Argus none of the Manari who changed sides would have changed. They would continue destroying planets, corrupting races and eradicating all life in the galaxy.
@@kylekopsi7039 So what is a better way to portray sympathetic demons in your opinion?
@@zacharyarons6950 sympathetic demons to me is an oxymoron. They’re a faction created to destroy all life, and then when they succeed they were supposed to self cannibalize so that life could be reborn a new. Fel magic corrupts and destroys everything it touches, warps all life and destroys planets. Nothing about their existence now makes any sense. For as long as Azeroth has had life on it the legion has been wiping planets clean of life. Not just five years, not ten years, not a hundred years. I simply cannot fathom any way to redeem 10,000 of intergalactic genocide and total eradication and enslavement of all life
@@zacharyarons6950 in the old lore the alliance traveled to draenor to stop the horde for that exact same reason. Because they could travel to unknown worlds and kill countless billions of people. But now all those countless billions of lives mean nothing because “oops my bad”
I always kind of assumed it was the same powers but used with more ease…like how Nozdormu always said “the timeways are clouded” to him during every patch…something tells me that won’t be a thing anymore lol. Also dragons are not immortal without their powers to my knowledge.
Regular dragons don't have aspect powers and are immortal, same with proto drakes that never even touched titan power. Also stuff like "my powers are slightly more inconvenient to use" are somewhat laughable as a reason for this whole powerup sequence
@@Kishimpl except we watch a blue dragon die of old age who told us he was using artifacts to stop his aging. We also know there is a dragon graveyard that they instinctively go to when they are dying in Dragonblight, implying they are not immortal.
Nozdormu has been saying 'the timeways are clouded' since the goddamn War of the Ancients books. He has always been pretty awful at his job. Its the same BS Yoda has been saying throughout all the prequels when Palpatine was metaphorically standing right in front of them. Unfortunately its lame and lazy writing.
@@KishimplOnly the sspects are immortal and never aging. That's why Alexstrasza and Nozdormu haven't changed in eons while Senegos is a very elderly dragon, and he knew all the aspects from when he was a welp. Senegos has lived a whole life and is near death, and the aspects remain unchanged.
I thought without their powers they no longer had a future as in - the normal dragons of their flight could no longer lay eggs anymore, which made every remaining egg all the more precious to them. As for immortality, none of them were. We killed Malygos and he never gave up his power...remind me, how did Kalec get to be a aspect after Malygos fall? Noz always struggled with his power, heck he got lost multiple times. And the whole reason Murozond existed was because Aman'thul showed Nozdormu how he would die so he wouldn't get drunk on his power which should have been the greatest of them all.
And that's the third expansion in a row! The Danuser Trilogy is now complete. _What an epic._
One of my favorite quests in wotlk is with the forsaken, we’re in the thick of fighting the scourge and getting revenge for our dark lady and we still find the time to poison alliance rations on the beach in their camp. That’s the wow I loved, I don’t want to be friends with the alliance. Even my kids know we don’t play alliance characters in my household lol
Thank you for bringing back that epic blizzard feeling back for a fleeting moment
They need to show consequences of war, too. The Horde had outright attempted to commit mass genocide on the Night Elves, killing so many that it might even be comparable to the Scourge slaughtering 90% of the Blood Elves. Do you think the Blood Elves, Tauren and even some of the elder Orcs would have just accepted this? I think there would have been a major schism within the Horde after the burning of Teldrassil. Recalling how the Horde had been on the more fucked up side of conflict in recent history. How about we start having some races going neutral due to these consequences? Same could happen with Alliance races as well, though some more creative writing will be required to make that work.
The horde also genocided the high elves during the 2nd war and that was basically thrown out the window
>sure you slaughtered us and burned down half our forest but we'll join you now and help you commit another genocide lol lmao
absolute quality
You would think the blood elves would be at least a little reluctant to do that considering the idea of an undead warlord razing an elven civilization to the ground might hit a little close to home for them
Most based video on RUclips. I honestly don't even pay attention to lore at this point after BfA. Just enjoying the gameplay, that's it
My biggest dissapointment is that f**king Malfurion isn't in Emerald Dream patch, in the whole druid theme thing
I think we saw a hint of the Dragons being unable to have kids after the Aspects losing they powers after Deathwing's fall in a quest somewhere...
In the Cataclysm cinematic they did say: " See through mortal eyes"...so Im guessing aspectral powers makes them immortal?
yes, more like a kami form japanese concept than a true deity but yes
My theory is that the writers probably knew that this wouldn't be received well, but were trying to undo the colossal fuck up that was the cataclysm ending. I think the aspects' power is immortality itself, not to "grant" immortality, even though they can. What they meant by "age of mortals" is that they themselves were mortal too, I imagine it's probably the same as night elves, they'll die eventually but live super long. Now the writers wrote themselves into a corner with the things that they wanted to do with the dragons and realized "oh shit, they can't really do what we want without some kind of super power."
They did said in cata ending that they have to look upon world with mortal eyes now so you might have a point.
Then why was Malygos old in Wotlk? When the Aspects gave up the powers in cataclysm?
That prooves that they still age, slow as all Dragons.
Also the cata cinematic showed them clearly losing their magic like Nozdormus time glas sand running out of his shoulder.
Blizz just figured after that "Wait.. we still want to use Dtagons and their flights magic. So we have them all still use it."
Or it was simply meaning no longer on the level they onve did. So a Nozdormus zime magic was limited to the levrl of chromie and the rest. Etc.
Wich seems the most plausable.
If Garrosh was alive he would have turned the isles into a factory wasteland and made mumistrasza his bitch...
Also the word family was used so often that even Vin Diesel would cringe.
Remember Legion where we had an epic moment after epic moment keeping us hyped 24/7, with stuff like Varian slaying a raid boss solo and dying with the words of "For the alliance!" on his breath?
Feels like forever ago now
I also feel like the story really go to the direction of very PC. All of the conflicts we have with all of the factions are non-existent. What next all of the races will be like only under one Banner? former conflicts who took years upon years And now we have the villain of the week Who the two faction need to defeat together again
The "family" portion could (and should) be akin to Legolas and Gimli as they become homies throughout the story.
It is a good plott element, like it was tge blue flights core issue thst everyone did their own thing. So it was a good conclusion for Kalec.
But this is a terrible way to conclude the expantion as a whole.
Nit to mention the whole Vyranoth just forgets Alextrazas lies and manipulative behavior.
Also the whole plott of how the Titabs were wrong to just turn them into Aspects snd change Dragonkind. But they conclude on a TITAN just blessing them again while they say "This was not done by the titans this time."
The expantiin itself was decent, and went in the righg direvtion. But crucial plottpoonts such as the titan subplott, ysera just being there to be there, and Vyranoth just fprgetting and being all friendly with Alex after never properly having consequences for Alex past actions.
Nixxiom you’ve really hit the core of what drive my curiously to this game that I think made lore hungry people in this game so invested.
Like you said it was never about learning morality and the game never had a clear question to answer.
But what remained consistent from Warcraft 3 up until this day is the ultimate question that drives me invested it,” What causes Corruption.”
And corruption in this game took many forms which we’ve experienced with Aurthas, Illidan and even Death Wing. And how does a person like Gina or Teronda get pass this, where does this corrupt lead us to? To what end? And how does one adverse themselves agains this corrupt? Either it too sacrifice, endurance, or loss. And putting an end too corruption or losing control of it which drove many to get involved in the next expansion.
Even during battle for azeroth, we were lead to bevel it would reignite the war between horde and alliance. Then we proceed to play the entire expansion without encountering them at all
Warcraft now: Feelings and friendship
Warcraft in the OG days: RISE UP SONS OF THE HORDE, BLOOD, AND GLORY AWAITS US!
And this is why my wife and I quit WoW years ago. They really REALLY pushed out the war in WARcraft.
the horde didn't change they're still genocidal monkeys who get away with everything at the end of the day
WE WILL NEVER BE SLAVES... but we will be family - Grom Hellscream
Omg, dude. Imagine the corn if it ended like that! Have a like!
If there is one reaction i always want to hear,that is Nixxiom.Everything Nixxiom says in video is right,i wished i could see in ending cinematic something with Fyraak as he was the protagonist of this expansion,he wasn't even captured as he was even there,like there was just a video about 'familly'.Poor Fyraak he deserved more.Bee prepared Nixxiom this was just the beginning for you will see more stuff like this in the next expansion.I know is not funny but can do nothing about it.
Yes, yes, and more yes!!!! Agreed 100%! This has been the biggest reason I've not played DF.
Like yeah, game-play-wise, I might not be a fan of everything they are doing, but that's not really the deciding factor for me. As a long-time warcraft fan, I'd very easily try a WoW expansion just to check it out and have fun for a bit, even if it's not the best. But provided that it actually offers me the fantasy and vibe of WARCRAFT that we all grew up loving in the first place!
It's fine having earned emotional moments here and there, but it shouldn't drown out the overall atmosphere, which is what I felt like whenever I took a look at some DF content.
Great video and loved the rage brother, was clapping throughout the video xD
i googled big ass tree and its the 7th image on google images.
Does your mom know you're looking up such lewd stuff on Google?
Is the first one in mine 😂
In Cata I literally thought they lost all their powers. Then when we’re still doing stuff with the dragons…I got confused lol
Kalegos even had to get a job at Lowe's after he lost his powers
Like, it made sense they could still breathe fire or whatever, but they were totally doing Aspect shit, like Nozdormu just getting to do time shit whenever he pleases.
Like, excuse me sir, but THAT WAS YOUR ASPECT POWER that you lost, you don't get to do that anymore.
Honestly, Moruzond being a thing shouldn't be an issue so long we don't give this bronze gigachad his glowing eyes back
@@DISTurbedwaffle918 and Alextrasa was stealing breathing life giving fire. What is different?! You tell me Blizzard! Why was this a “sacrifice”
Never have I been more glad that I did not buy a game expansion and quit the game when I did, they literally did the Friendship is Magic approach and you know what if I want to see that approach taken I'll sit down and watch some MLP, another reason why I GREATLY disliked this is because as a writer I found getting their aspect powers back for seemingly no reason to be incredibly lazy and you essentially undid the damage of Cataclysm I mean I memorized all the dialogue from the Madness of Deathwing finale something Nozdormu said was that "What comes to pass shall never be undone" well guess what looks like it was just undone...I just I cant...
Lorewise is a mess, gameplay wise was one of the bests, good boss encounters.
Almost got it perfect, the quote is "What comes to pass *will* never be undone."
Even then there are possibilities.
-Nozdormu can't possible know all future possibilities, even with his powers things have gone out of his radar so how could he be so sure in that intense moment. it seems more like an expression based on the reality of the situation.
-They didn't lose their power, part of them.
-They got it back because Azeroth itself is a titan that hadn't blessed them right? and they were not Azeroth guardians, their duty as the dragon aspects was to protect Azeroth and be the guardians.
-At the time we were under the impressions that the titans were no more and based on the lore it seems we weren't that aware of Azeroth.
Im just adding possibilities, nothing was so set in stone, it was more the interpretation of each.
My Little Warcraft
I agree with you War and Carnage are missing in the World of Warcraft. I believe the overarching story line of World of Warcraft is basically a united front against some uber alien void lord enemy from here on out. I kinda miss the War between the factions in Warcraft. But with features like cross faction dungeon parties its kinda hard to put this back into the story somehow.
I really really hope Metzen can put like the style back into wow. Its felt like no one on Blizzard's writing team is trying to maintain world of warcraft as world of warcraft at current
It’s way too late for that now. War Within just screams hugbox nonsense. The faction conflict and war themes are gone.
Remember that Metzen wrote Dragonflight too so
@@vikkran401 I doubt it, he was bought in around 10.1, so he would've been working on War Within more. Or so my copium says
@@BigLesbian He officially rejoined the team as a creative advisor right when dragon-flight released and this year he was promoted to be a executive creative director. However much say he had as an ''advisor'' is unknown but I don't believe that the writing team would completely ignore his advice, so directly or indirectly some lore in Dragonflight was his doing, just saying
@@Polomance862 Really? how?
Don't you remember Thrall's warning? Something dark is coming. Maybe we need their help in the next expansion?
That doesn't mean they have to be lame now
Don't you mean Zoval warning us about "what is to come"?
Playing through the campaign again, in Ruby Lifeshrine cinematic after giving the dragon egg to Alexstrasza she actually mentions the Oathstones and Aspectral powers. Just wanted to give a heads up, kind of went over my head the first time.
19 years ago: "and the drums of war... thunder once again..."
Today: tHe wORld iS HeAlinG :)
The ending cinematic genuinely made me embarrassed to play wow for a split second.
They lost their immortality and the aspects themselves may have been rendered sterile since their lineage came from proto-dragons altered by Titans. Hence all the hullabaloo about a single egg being found. The nearly empty life-pools, the near reverence for new whelps. It's all there in the subtext of the campaign. WIth the aspectral powers restored, the future of dragonkind is secure. That's all
lol is that thumbnail a reference to Midsommer? 😂😅
maybe the aspectral powers of nozdormu lost was the ability to actually navigate the time ways, and not just ''i did not see this in time'' ''i cant see it clearly'' uuuuh it is so cloudy and such
FF14s success with having characters express emotions and sympathies has been catastrophic for wows narrative.
Its painfully obvious the WoW writers are trying to mimic FF14s style of characters and dialogue but not knowing what made those characters and dialogue great.
It's just so fucking safe. So boring, cliche, and safe.
Honestly, I will always love that warcraft i discovered 18 years ago, a world where everyone fought because their survival was truly depending on it and a world where everyone were making good and bad decisions for solid reasons .
hey nixxiom dont you think wow should ( i mean it wouldent but we can hope ) step into a more gory / gritty / dark grim path ? , more mature , more fleshed out writing ? love the vids btw
this game is played by middle aged men and they write a story for preteens.
I am 20 and I play it.
@@stepanpytlik4021Yes,and we're all the same mentality as you!
@@liviubostan7229 That's...that's terribly dissapointing.
@@stepanpytlik4021 you are not the average wow player, but good on ya for jumping into this old game, was it the femboy dragons, fairy transmogs or furries that got you into wow?
@@Aesyrbane Lore.
Not gonna lie man, this video came off as a weird incell rant. Maybe you were trying to be bombastic for effect, but it gave of little dong energy.
So damn true, i was waiting for the Grom clip for comparison but your choices worked just as well. World of Softcraft :( hopefully with Chris back the War Within goes back to what we all want.
Hey remember that character that was made into the first Druid by Cenarius himself?Hmm what his name?Wouldn’t he have been one to defend the emerald dream?A patch that focused around druids?Oh no no no sorry my fault I forgot he’s a dude and useless who chose to sleep…again..great writing!Make his wife the only leader of the Night Elves.Just like the MSheU…good thing they are following that model now right?!The next three expansions should be great!Yay!
Great video Nix
One of the main gripes I had when I heard of Dragonflight was the fact that the goal was the Dragon Aspects regaining their powers. But as you said, its as if they never lost them. We never saw them struggle with the loss or have any elements in the story involving their loss of power. Looking back it makes sacrificing them so much less dramatic. They could have kept them this whole time and every expansion story since (I suppose up until dragonflight) would have been the same.
Next step is to replace Epic quality items with Family quality items
"We thought about they suggestion, and we arrived to the conclusion that having a minimal serious plot where bad thing happen could be offensive for some people and we don't want World of WARcraft to be an hostile environmental.... So we are gonna keep talking about self love, family and the friends we did during the journey.... Or something "
I remember when the books written for metzen and this game where full of tragedy and broken people (real broken people, not some dumbas with identity misconception) overcominghis taumas or his past failures to become better. I deeply recommend to read Blood qnd Honor by Chris Metzen, is very short and enjoyable
What happened to iridikron
Still doesn't beat the whole "Males can become Sentinels now" storyline in the NE heritage armor quest. That shit damn near made me cancel my account.
We all know exactly the kind of audience they're making these stories for...
Which is??
The same type of people who can't handle a bitch being called such and needed paintings changed to fruit.
The same people that think monthly DEI training is important.
@@csimmeri I prefer it as DIE
Yeah but those people don't play WoW. They hang out outside daycares and send hormones to teenagers they talked to on discord
Anyone out there that also popped a vein on their head when they saw the Renown Vendor giving you gardening tool cosmetics instead of weapons and actually usable things?
We need a Nixxiom- Metzen video… This needs to happen!!! Also where’s “The Warlock” episodes??? You’re pulling a GRRM on us Nixxiom…
honestly i just dont have any interest in these rainbow-fairy-elf-dragons as characters. they are so unappealing.
But but but the kids and LGBTQIA+ community love it.
I like how yall never change like MOP isnt remembered great now and was attacked for the same thing, also fuck off with that bigot shit too @@Kkirk2010
To be fair, the idea of absolutely decimating Alliance players in PvP as a big burly orc with butterfly wings and a Sailor Moon outfit brings me untold amounts of joy
Tasteless
YOOO I did that exact google search after stopping myself from asking on Reddit. WHAT ARE RHE POWERS??? Like they have a colourful breathe attack. Is it just more breath? Stronger breath?
slaughter of the innocent. EXCELLENT Dude where’s my mount reference
The ending was shite
Unfortunately Blizzard hoped in the woke/soy train several expansions ago so we can't have any cool masculine characters anymore bcs it's considered "toxic masculinity"whatever that is suppsed to mean , that's why the game has been so heavily feminized it's "girl power" moments over cool story...let's hope with Metzen back wow story becomes epic again 🙏🏻
I think the main problem is not even the family theme as a concept, but the extent of shittiness of its implementation. There are plenty examples of family theme in epic testosterone-filled plots. Brothers fighting together, dying for each other, a son claimbing mountains of challanges and pain to save his old mother from torture, a father defending his family and failing and then being torn by grief and pulled towards the dark side, a bunch of total strangers endure horrifying struggles against all the hostile world and only surviving because they can rely on each other as brothers would, etc, etc.
What I'm trying to say is that the basic idea of "family theme" is rather neutral and can be incorporated in any kind of plot without sticking out as embarrasing and fake, like in this case. It just needs proper plot progression leading towards this. It can't be pulled right at the ending out of nowhere. Azure flight had that theme played much better because it was fitting there, and it stayed consistent through their questline. But why is it suddenly pulled across all aspects? There was no bonding of any kind between most of the aspects, they barely talk to each other, sitting in different zones. Sure, they kind of sit up there in their aspect loft in Valdrakken, but it doesn't relate to getting close as a family in any way. They are collegues at best, there to represent interests of their flights, not to hang out with buddies.
But I have suspection that this cutscene resulted from some sort of emergency cut on future content and wasn't exactly planned this way. Perhaps because of Metzen return they had to cut it short and slap on top of ending finale what they'd otherwise spread across another content patch or two. If all they were allowed to have is 1 min cutscene, it kida makes sense why would it feel fake.
other day i was missing wow lore, haven't followed since legion. i guess start of SL. thanks for reminding me why i didn't keep up lmao