Many years ago I was fortunate to be able to have a half day on an early prototype of the Mercedes F1 simulator. It had a belt tensioning system as well and it added far more than the movement effects did at the time. I'll certainly be getting one of these for my home sim.
@@simracingden I am blow away how intricate the system is within the settings, there's so many different effects to play with. Very good review and extremely well put together.
Thanks, bro! Yeah, it's crazy. I'm still experimenting with different settings, and there are a lot of possibilities to get it dialed in exactly how you want it to feel. They are still releasing updates to improve it even more.
That’s a great review; asking the right questions and giving informative answers. The belts for example and how your rig is built, including the seat. For example, I own that Simlab four point belt system and my shoulder height would be too high for the system to work properly. So that’s a good point I have to wrap my head around now. When I was all in for this product the last couple of weeks… I have to overthink some aspects again. Thanks for an amazing review. A sub goes goes NOW! 👋 edit: oh, I was already subbed. 😂🥳
Thank you! Yes I did, because the ring eye bolts that came with the harness were too big so I bought some M8 size ones to use with tnuts $15 purchase on Amazon so no big deal.
@@simracingden omg so you did combine them Lets go!!!!! Who needs motion all you need now is vr and youre in a real car bro also watch this video called asseto corsa evo wont look this good try and replicate how it looks and make a vr video about the ultimate way to play sim racing you rock dude !! Thankyou for the videos edit: one last side note can you make it so we see you driving more most reviews you got is talking but we love to see the action aswell
@@Bumble-d1e Thanks man! thats great feedback and good point, I'll make sure to include more racing and action in future videos. Thanks for the support appreciate it
@@simracingden that’s how I felt when I unboxed mine. Also, after using it for the first time and being super impressed I also got out of my rig and got a big smile when I saw the sweeping red light. I’m over here looking for stickers when this thing is throwing Kight Industries at me. 😆
Currently, I'm not using the springs on my main rig. I know it defeats the purpose, but the haptic transducers alone mounted directly to my rig are still really good, and there's not a lot of residual noise. So, I can't comment on extra weight. Still, I know the slip-angle kit comes with additional springs to support extra weight, so I imagine you would want to utilize those and make some adjustments as needed to accommodate the additional weight of the unit.
@@simracingden With respect, what you are currently experiencing in haptics is not close to the potential. Like you have discovered with the belt tensioner. Effects like the rumble strips, because you now feel them directly into the body. Not having to travel through the rig before they reach the seat. The same applies with tactile. We can extend multiple effects to different body zones in the seat. Also with advanced effects which utilise multilayering for greater varation and dynamic range. This is not possible with SL approach or BST1 hardware it uses. I have a path and solution, I have spent months working on with unique effects for you to try if you are interested.... It produces different detailing and felt sensations for Road Bumps / Road Vibrations etc as well as varying response in low and high speeds and working fully with all G-Forces too. Should be awesome when also combined with this product.
I have no way of measuring this but this is quote straight from Qubic System’s website: “QS-BT1, with its astonish 41 kg/90 lbs of sustained pulling force, allows to experience and feel differences between 1G, 2G, 3G or even 9G. Positive G, negative G or both…”
If your upper body center mass is around 40 kg and the two belts pull you back while e.g. braking with its combined max force of approx. 400N it represents a longitudinal G-force of approx 1G. So, not far from a real GT3 car negative acceleration under braking of 1,4-1,8G. Simulating an F1 car you might wanna go for 6 BT1s ;-)
The Qubic is quieter. While not noticeable with ANC headphones, the G-belt is annoyingly loud making R2D2 noises, sometimes even when the belt is barely active. Its PSU fan is also loud like the Qubic's, but you can remove it without any added heat. Qubic is stronger and, I'm sure, has more "resolution" being direct drive instead of stepper. I have the g-belt and you can feel the steps as the belt releases - it's not very smooth but in a race you'd likely not notice it. It can take you out of your immersion a bit. The only possible advantage of the g-belt (YMMV) is that it can be bolted on the seat, so that the belt is fed directly to it without taking a corner that adds a bit of friction. But with the strength of the qubic, I don't expect you'd notice the difference. Lastly, while SimXperience is still an active company, there hasn't been much coming out from them. The software is just receiving some support for new games but not really any new features. I'm curious what they're doing over there. Overall I wouldn't get the g-belt over the qubic nowadays. Very interested to see if Qubic is also developing a g-seat alternative.
For 2 direct drive motors that have 20nm and specialized functionality. I think the price is pretty fair but I'm sure you'll talk about the DIY solutions or just say the effects aren't worth it. But maybe I'm a little defensive since I already bought and paid for mine and are enjoying it very much😅 lol. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion
It must be truly great, but as long as the cheap power supply with that tiny fan is audible, I won't buy it and wait vor version 2. Maybe the driver with headphones can't hear it but the wife right next on the couch can't be happy. And you hopefully know the most important fact in history: Happy wife, happy life ;).
Why so ? Everyone who has used it says it is incredibly immersive and for some it even negates the need for motion. Did you try it bro or ya just trash talkin' ? 😏
@@baotung I don't think that word means what you think it does. You expect people to believe something that has no effect on the inner ear is comparable to something that does.
This belt system is so awesome! The level of detail that it provides and how easily you can tune it to your liking is incredible.
Couldn't agree more!
Many years ago I was fortunate to be able to have a half day on an early prototype of the Mercedes F1 simulator. It had a belt tensioning system as well and it added far more than the movement effects did at the time. I'll certainly be getting one of these for my home sim.
That's awesome! It's amazing we can have this experience now in the comfort of our own homes.
Well produced review with plenty of information. Mine arrives tomorrow ! 😀
Thank you! Have fun!
thanks for your review ! very good work !
Thank you!
Was looking forward to this one! Lets go!!
🙌 your going to want one 😂
@@simracingden I am blow away how intricate the system is within the settings, there's so many different effects to play with. Very good review and extremely well put together.
Thanks, bro! Yeah, it's crazy. I'm still experimenting with different settings, and there are a lot of possibilities to get it dialed in exactly how you want it to feel. They are still releasing updates to improve it even more.
That’s a great review; asking the right questions and giving informative answers. The belts for example and how your rig is built, including the seat. For example, I own that Simlab four point belt system and my shoulder height would be too high for the system to work properly. So that’s a good point I have to wrap my head around now. When I was all in for this product the last couple of weeks… I have to overthink some aspects again. Thanks for an amazing review. A sub goes goes NOW! 👋 edit: oh, I was already subbed. 😂🥳
Thank you!! I'm glad it was helpful and I hope your able to work things out with the setup.
Great review man! Id love to buy one!
Thanks man!
If you have a seat with a hole for the submarine belt, you often don't need to use the cross belts.
This is actually a super clever solution to the g force issue. I wonder if thi would be a good combo with a slip angle kit.
I have the slip angle kit and together its glorious!
@@simracingden Nice! This is going to be my setup when this finally arrives. I've been waiting 3 weeks. Hopefully soon!
@@Romad_20
Great review! Quick question, for the Braum 5 points harness, did you have to buy some extra attachments to fix the harness to the profiled rig?
Thank you! Yes I did, because the ring eye bolts that came with the harness were too big so I bought some M8 size ones to use with tnuts $15 purchase on Amazon so no big deal.
Great video!
Thanks!
Does anybody know how the PT TensenR Pro is vs. this?
Good video, thanks...
Anyone using one of these with the new Sabelt seats and (Sim Belts) they sell?
Thanks! I would suggest you reach out with this question in their discord server likely to get a quick answer.
Are you using a 3" or 2" harness for the shoulder straps? Got a link or can provide the name of the harness you went with?
Hey! 3" and the link is in the video description.
Can you make a review of this combined with the slip angle ?
I don't know if I'll do a combined review but if you watch both you can see I like them both very much and combined its certainly amazing!
@@simracingden omg so you did combine them Lets go!!!!! Who needs motion all you need now is vr and youre in a real car bro also watch this video called asseto corsa evo wont look this good try and replicate how it looks and make a vr video about the ultimate way to play sim racing
you rock dude !! Thankyou for the videos
edit: one last side note can you make it so we see you driving more most reviews you got is talking but we love to see the action aswell
@@Bumble-d1e Thanks man! thats great feedback and good point, I'll make sure to include more racing and action in future videos. Thanks for the support appreciate it
@@simracingden youre welcome brother!!
There’s something to be said for a piece of sim racing gear that doesn’t come packed with stickers. Like it’s not here to play games.
😂
@@simracingden that’s how I felt when I unboxed mine. Also, after using it for the first time and being super impressed I also got out of my rig and got a big smile when I saw the sweeping red light. I’m over here looking for stickers when this thing is throwing Kight Industries at me. 😆
I think I need to setup an automation that plays the Knight Rider theme song in the den when I turn it on 🤣
@@simracingden Yes!
How's the added weight on the slip angle kit springs?
Currently, I'm not using the springs on my main rig. I know it defeats the purpose, but the haptic transducers alone mounted directly to my rig are still really good, and there's not a lot of residual noise. So, I can't comment on extra weight. Still, I know the slip-angle kit comes with additional springs to support extra weight, so I imagine you would want to utilize those and make some adjustments as needed to accommodate the additional weight of the unit.
@@simracingden With respect, what you are currently experiencing in haptics is not close to the potential. Like you have discovered with the belt tensioner. Effects like the rumble strips, because you now feel them directly into the body. Not having to travel through the rig before they reach the seat. The same applies with tactile. We can extend multiple effects to different body zones in the seat. Also with advanced effects which utilise multilayering for greater varation and dynamic range. This is not possible with SL approach or BST1 hardware it uses.
I have a path and solution, I have spent months working on with unique effects for you to try if you are interested....
It produces different detailing and felt sensations for Road Bumps / Road Vibrations etc as well as varying response in low and high speeds and working fully with all G-Forces too.
Should be awesome when also combined with this product.
Is there a maximum G it can simulate? Like can it get tight enough for say 3G?
Ofcourse not
I have no way of measuring this but this is quote straight from Qubic System’s website: “QS-BT1, with its astonish 41 kg/90 lbs of sustained pulling force, allows to experience and feel differences between 1G, 2G, 3G or even 9G. Positive G, negative G or both…”
If your upper body center mass is around 40 kg and the two belts pull you back while e.g. braking with its combined max force of approx. 400N it represents a longitudinal G-force of approx 1G. So, not far from a real GT3 car negative acceleration under braking of 1,4-1,8G. Simulating an F1 car you might wanna go for 6 BT1s ;-)
@@myweirdtaste8090 thank you! I'm using this as an aid for real life stuff so I want to look at the most realistic one!
How does this compare to the SimXperience G belt system. We need a shootout.
The Qubic is quieter. While not noticeable with ANC headphones, the G-belt is annoyingly loud making R2D2 noises, sometimes even when the belt is barely active. Its PSU fan is also loud like the Qubic's, but you can remove it without any added heat. Qubic is stronger and, I'm sure, has more "resolution" being direct drive instead of stepper. I have the g-belt and you can feel the steps as the belt releases - it's not very smooth but in a race you'd likely not notice it. It can take you out of your immersion a bit. The only possible advantage of the g-belt (YMMV) is that it can be bolted on the seat, so that the belt is fed directly to it without taking a corner that adds a bit of friction. But with the strength of the qubic, I don't expect you'd notice the difference. Lastly, while SimXperience is still an active company, there hasn't been much coming out from them. The software is just receiving some support for new games but not really any new features. I'm curious what they're doing over there. Overall I wouldn't get the g-belt over the qubic nowadays. Very interested to see if Qubic is also developing a g-seat alternative.
@@Gorilla_Jones gbelt software is terrible, they're noisy as heck, and just overall one of the most disappointing purchases of my sim career
Sorry, but that price is a joke. 500$ is max I would pay for it.
For 2 direct drive motors that have 20nm and specialized functionality. I think the price is pretty fair but I'm sure you'll talk about the DIY solutions or just say the effects aren't worth it. But maybe I'm a little defensive since I already bought and paid for mine and are enjoying it very much😅 lol. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion
@@bossupratt you are right I'm taking about the effects aren't worth that much. I have nothing against the company.
Ridiculous
Well crap, I’m gonna need it.
Sorry! 😂
It must be truly great, but as long as the cheap power supply with that tiny fan is audible, I won't buy it and wait vor version 2. Maybe the driver with headphones can't hear it but the wife right next on the couch can't be happy. And you hopefully know the most important fact in history: Happy wife, happy life ;).
How noisy is this system?
The system itself makes no noise, but like I said in the video, the power supply fan is audible.
I think if you have money for motion rig and all this add ons- better invest money in real racing.
🙄
@Kanton-ip6en and fly our sports cars across the globe to all these race tracks? Or be locked to 2to3 local race tracks where we live...?
I thought the same... Turns out I can't even do half a season of karting for the price of my high end simrig, so easy choice there 😂
This comment only shows how clueless you are. You can't do real racing with 5-10 grand.
This is literally the LAST thing you should buy to increase immersion/realism
Why so ? Everyone who has used it says it is incredibly immersive and for some it even negates the need for motion. Did you try it bro or ya just trash talkin' ? 😏
@@Mark_Blanes you think a belt is going to supersede an actual motion rig, at the same price????
@@crankyboris Yes. I have both. I love your ignorance.
@@baotung I don't think that word means what you think it does.
You expect people to believe something that has no effect on the inner ear is comparable to something that does.
I'm not suggesting this is a replacement for motion, but on its own, it can still provide a lot of immersion, and perhaps for some, it may be enough.