REVIEW - Qubic Systems QS-220-PL 3DOF Sim Racing Cockpit Full Motion
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- We've been lucky enough to have the opportunity to test a bunch of different sim rig motion systems over the years, but this steps things up a few notches. With 4 inches of travel and acceleration of 800mm per second, it's capable of absolutely brutal force feedback for your entire sim rig. But it also comes with a HUGE price tag. So let's find out what that money gets you!
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TIME STAMPS:
Intro: 0:00
Important Information: 0:35
Options & Pricing: 1:20
Hardware Overview: 4:20
Installed System Tour: 17:00
Software & Setup: 22:47
Initial Driving Experience: 31:00
Conclusions: 43:07
#simracing #motion #qubic 
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I am also keen for another 2 inches
😂
I need all the inches I can get
Why is this the top comment 😂
We all are bud.... we all are.
That's what she said.
This is like watching TopGear review the latest and greatest supercar. I could never afford it but still drool over it.
I use a SimLab P1X chassis extruded aluminum, along with Motion House Motion Gear's 4UN 4 corner motion actuator system with 6" of travel. It's basically identical to this in every way nearly and I couldn't imagine sim racing any other way ever again. Once you go motion, anything less just wont do. Static chassis racing just feels completely numb to me to the point of nausea as the motion platform I use simulates so well what your brain expects to be feeling and inside VR it's a match made in Heaven.
Generally what I've found with the 6" travel is that it gives more overhead to play with before clipping occurs in the motion actuators. Basically if you utilize the full travel then it can simulate steeper angles such as going up or down a steep road and still have the extra travel needed for chassis / suspension motion like heave and surge without clipping due to hitting that hard limit on travel. This also helps with the feeling of acceleration and braking. A 1.5" travel setup would barely be able to allow you to feel going up or downhill let alone simultaneously perform heave and roll motions. I'm also not saying systems with shorter travel aren't worth it but one needs to keep their expectations in check. How will it feel going up a hill with the front raised 1.5" and the back lowered 1.5" vs a 6" travel 6" in the front up and 6" in the back down? Big difference. I got my setup from Motion House for $5k USD minus the chassis which I bought from SimLab for $750 USD I believe it was.
Great stuff as usual; spring assembly looks like good ol fashioned shock-absorber/springs from yester-years 😎😎
Please also do a review of the new and more affordable QS-210 Will!
Great review again😀 You could benefit lot on comfort, and also motion feel adjusting your rig so that you sit more forward. I think pedals, uprights and seat can be brought forward a lot. It is important to seat as close as you can get at center of rotation. Also lowering seat as much as lets you turn motion more agressive, without feeling of sitting at top of pole. Very, very important specially at vr.
Odd that you didn't show much, if any, footage of Rally racing especially something from Dirt Rally 2. I would think Rally racing would have the biggest benefit of the extra travel distance.
Great video. I do wish you tried the same settings on a monitor and then in VR though.
Those brake squeaks though! Feels like I'm in my F-Type R, but only when I'm not trying to show the Jag dealer the problem with the brakes; then they're perfectly quiet.
Great detailed review. Still going with the D-box😊
26:43 would really like a deeper dive on how motion setups impact screens on a separate stand, or if they're mounted to the rig that moves, as well as in VR. Starting to plan a rig and I need to get my head around all this.
i have a motion rig and vr and its really good and immersive like will said less is more but it does give you that extra feedback to in corners love mine.
Nice work mate, good review
Thanks Will for that awesome review! Could you review the Simrig SR2 any time? Would be very interesting how it compares in your opinion with other motion systems while regarding the price it is a lot 'cheaper'.
Like your style of vid reviews Will, but the ambience is way too dark. Your previous white background stage presentation was much better. Sometimes I struggle to see what you are actually showing as the background is dark and lighting is medium. Just some feedback. FYI this system was on my shopping list for later this year so thanks for reviewing.
ROFL, Best intro line in a while!
would be interesting to see how something like this works with a flight sim if you have a hotas sitting around for something like MSFS, great vid as always
Motion platforms for flight simulators are a lot of money, time, electricity, maintenance, hacking software, space, and noise all to end up right back where you started--- with completely unrealistic forces and movements.
@@cayenne7792 lol
I will put it on my birthday list :D
Excellent video! Agree that fast actuators are a must for a good car simulator. FI..I DIYed fast (1.8Kw/max500mmsec) and long travel (up to 750mm - only use a fraction of that for cars :-)) actuators and found that I needed a design that allowed the actuators to be hard mounted to the floor, as the rig will walk or smash around in a cup with that speed and rig/body inertia. All the best.
Concrete anchors work best as such speed... 😂
@ Rigs actuators are actually dyno bolted to a garage floor 😁 - about $700 in parts for each actuator, as only the screw nut and frame attachment carriage moves.
@@seattime4075 NUTS! 🤣
One word kinemaniacs
Thats brutal..
Great video, it would be interesting to how your perception changes with it in VR
Yes I'd also like to hear your thoughts with VR
I have it and only race in Vr, it’s fantastic
Coming in clutch this week first the Leoxz wheel I was looking at getting and now this Cubic system I'm looking to get
Hey will love your vids, quick question what do you anything about the Simworx chassis and if not can you do a review thanks. Keep up the great work
Off this topic, but can you do a shootout/comparison of the hi-end pedals you've reviewed? Asetek, Heusinkveld, Simucube, VRS, etc? Their features all seem to blur into one, and it would be good to understand any preferred pedal set, particular after your long term use. Thanks!
What about a dedicated 10 min video on rally racing with this thing. That would be 💰💰
Got mine 6months ago from digital motorsports for approximately $7000 cdn dollars with free mounting brackets.
thats good deal you got there. cant find it anymore on their website
The T nuts with the springs are called Zebedees in the trade mate.
Great review as ever Will. Keep up the great work! 👍
Like with the active pedals, this is not for the average (me) sim racer. The pricetag is crazy 😂 Loved the review tho
I don't think anything with a pricetag past 400-500€ is for the average simracer
Awesome review as always, now we need to see the review of the RS Mega + (150mm /6" of travel and considerably slower than the Qubic at 250mm/s) for comparison to see how much does the movement sepeed "interfere" with the feedback when having greater movement posibilities. At considerably lower price point compared to the DBOX and Quibic.
loud actuators, a lot of wires, the servos are noisy, and i fell like they felt robotic in motion. Find a used d box gen 1 system.
I’m waiting for this review also.
I've got the mega+. It's not loud, it's fast enough to feel engine haptics and road noise, the robotic feeling is just a matter of tuning, the wires are much the same no matter what brand you get, at 1/4 the cost of dbox it's prob best value on market.
I agree, at 2600$ USD, the RS Mega is the cheapest of the 4 pole style motion systems. Plus is 150mm of travel is a lot. I'm thinking of getting one but I'm hesitating when it comes to reliability
@@oscaraus1538 how do you find it? is it reliable and responsive? I'm about to pull the trigger on one of those.
sick content
What *does* an extra 2 inches feel like, huh? XD
Giddyup!
what if it start at only 0.5 in first place? :(
Great content as usual. Do you plan to review DOF reality P3 or P6?
Thank you! Will you try the QS-CH2 Qubic Platform this year?
Im using a D-Box gen 1 right now and i love it but, there are times where i feel a little more range and response would help. But i just dont trust systems like pt actuators, didnt care for the mega RS kit i played with. I thought about the sigma integrale but the game base just doesnt seem there. These have had my interest for a while but not a lot of reviews, especially comparing to d box. Seems like its a descent upgrade, but it will wait for a while. But ill probably sell the d box at some point and try these. Good review
Did you ever upgrade?
For such a high end system they sure half assed a lot of the details.
Very interested in a VR compensation video. One of the things stopping me from motion.
I have this system and the VR compensation is excellent.
I have the e-racing labs system that uses SRS with motion compensation for vr. Once you get it dialed in it’s pretty amazing. Less than half the price of this setup as well
@@alexfranzen4294 Not much to dial in with the Qubic system, it just works perfect with a 20 seconds calibration run. Also isn't the SRS VR compensation behind a paywall? Qubic is built into the software and once it's installed, you don't ever have to get any kind of permission.
Great Review Will, nice system but I just wish that for those of us who are not iRacing users you could do your review incorporating other popular sims like Automobilista 2 and Assetto Corsa and even something different like Dirt Rally 2 and/or EA WRC. Just to give some more perspective on the motion operation apart from just iRacing.
The response time and magnitude is impressive. I race exclusively in vr and would love one...But that price..ouch
tbh with VR It's not that great because it bounces the headset around on your head, I use it with triples and enjoy it. My headset is a pretty snug fit too. You'd have to do a lot of smoothing/turn it down to make it usable with VR
@@Im_A_Banana There are motion compensation software tools to deal with that. Though I imagine that you could just disable X/Y/Z axis and only have rotation but that might actually make it feel worse.
@@Anonnymouse53 the motion compensation is not the same as the physical headset moving on your face from the rig movement. That's just to keep you centered in the car
@@Im_A_Banana I misunderstood you. I don't find it's much of a problem but I had 3d printed a narrower profile faceplate for my headset and it's quite tight.
@@Im_A_Bananahmm going point I didn’t even think of that
Saucy Intro!
not too shabby ;) you should try ours too!
So, what should I buy between this and the dbox? I want the best of the best for road racing.
Since I really do a large amount of my SIM Racing and Flight SIMing in VR.., 🤔 some information around the *"Motion Compensation"* features is appreciated..!!! 👍💯😉 Thx
Hey Boosted, great review, looking into getting this motion system for my NLR elite, Did you know your moza discount code is not working, im trying to buy some gear but it says it does not exist. Can you please help
Does anyone know if the Qubic System QS-CH2 can simulate Yaw for both axis or only the Rear axis?
Would be an nice addition to this Rig!
I just ordered 2, for number coding scheme here in our country.
Got 8 inches on my SFX. You can get a great feel on tracks like Nords but i wouldnt use it 24/7 as its pretty hard on your body (acid reflux) . Great for flight sims though
Please make a video about the settings with vr. motion compensation, etc.
Hey i know this isn't related but have you reviewed symdeck? I'm looking to maybe get the s3 and the Trumotion console control box but can't seem to find much information about it.
did you ever tried a diy solution like the sfx-100 or similar? how do they compare to those expensive "market ready" stuff?
Yes thats something which interests me too. Sfx100 is pretty fast with 250mm/s too. But how about acceleration to that speed?
Curious how would it be at Daytona Super-speedway with 31 degrees banking.
sucks to see the powder coat coming off at that price point per bracket, they must not do it in house.
those etnies shoes 🔥
Awesome system. Just dont think ill ever spend money like that on sim.
How good is the traction loss effect with this system?Is it better than with the traction plus from Next Level?
What is that noise when you step on the brake? is it from the game or the motion platform?
Does Spintires work with motion sims? That'd be an excellent game to demo such a high travel range.
could make a 4 or more dof kit with that sfx100 for that amount of money
Great video again 😊 Can ask where you got the wheel mount/plate from? I think it’s not the original TR One Trak Racer one. I’ve also own the TR120 and I find that the wheel Plate/mount is way to big/bulky for my VRS. I already thought about finding someone who can shorten and weld it for me. Thank you.
Pretty sure it was one of the optional ones from Trak Racer.
Thank you for your reply. But I think that looks way different than the one on their page. Couldn’t find any similar mount on their page. I already ask for a different version weeks ago but got no answer from trak racer.
LOL, what an extra 2" feel like? Where have I heard that before?
you should test the "elab racing rs mega+" with the SRS software
Similar system in my country + frame cost 310 thousand RAND - yes 310 000rand. for this price it is really a Gt86 2nd hand
Guess I gotta start saving. Meaby in 2 years I can afford it without thinking that that kind of money is absurd to spend on a rig
How close can you get the monitor?🤔
Can it convey the feel of traction loss at all, or do you loose that when going from 6dof to 3dof?
This be cool, but I've got no space for it currently that I can sacrifice for it
I would love to find out what extra 2 inches feel like
Good point on the sound and fitting environments. Since I'm in an appartment I think my wallet is safe. On that note, what kind of floor is that you have there? It looks very sturdy but still absorbing. What do you call a floor like that?
It’s composite rubber/plastic tiles on a cement slab.
So you are using le VRS Direct Force Pro on this test rig ? :p
I really hope I get a response for this question but from every motion systems you've used so far, what would be the most comparable to DBox/the best alternative to Dbox? Something that is much more cost efficent and reliable? Appreciate your time!
I'd like to know this too.
me too :)
That's what she said
When are we getting the gt7 with psvr2 review?
Is this better than the Dbox system ?
I like the content. I am subscribed. I get you are from down unda but bro you gotta new shoes.
Hey Boosted!🖐
It is possible that You make a test, compare and review of sim SEATS?
Would be awesome to see different types of seats (with flat and deep back, with short and long base, which is the most supportive, for big and thin guy etc.) and to know which is the real deal for sim racing and not for massive price 😇😊
Thank You for Your answer 🤝❤
Unlikely. They’re too expensive to ship to us in Australia so it’s rare the rigs we review are sent with seats.
@@boostedmedia 🆗
Tully understanadble😊
Could You share Your Experience and tell which seat are You using or which You can reccomend?
Awesome, I have been shopping for a motion sim but in no rush as I want something that will last and I have kept up with your reviews to help come to a decision hopefully soon. But, tell us Will, is this replacing the dbox on your main rig?
And have you considered reviewing vesaro motion systems and racing sim hardware?
Not sure if it’ll replace the Dbox yet. I have to run the motion low for recording FPV videos anyway and the Dbox is very practical for that purpose.
Vesaro is just reselling DBox so if he got one of those rigs it would end up being a review of the rig itself, not the motion system
@@biz0r07 hey yeh you are right they do use dbox but I recently noticed they have there own actuators. Or maybe they are dbox with vesaro branding on it?!
@Salim_Dusty Sam I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's still dbox
Hey Will, enjoying all your content. I just want to ask if you have been using the Qubic system since this review and if it replaced your DBox? I am in the real process of possibly ordering as to why I am asking again. Also were you ever considering doing a review on there CH2 model which is the traction loss system?
Hey your floor from what is made?
Is it possible to use two of the next level racing motion v3? like one in the back and one in the front?
Yea but it would be as expensive as a D-Box or some of the other full motion systems available which are much better.
Can I purchase the control box and motors only? If so what’s the cost?
Lucky you
So, if this is a €10k product in and of itself, how much is that entire rig going to cost approximately that is being used? (Minus the computer and monitor).
What's 2" in metric?
For the price of a new car I I can't justify paying that price then have to buy mount brackets that will possibly have manufacturing cosmetic defects. Great video as always but it looks like ERacing Lab RS Mega+ will be the route I take.
are they easy to install? What do you think about them? thank you
@@TUGRA14
I don't have them yet, however the install is pretty straight forward and all the reviews for them are really good which is why I'm going that route. There are a number of videos on the RS that you can view to see if it's the system for you but I think you will be very happy with what you find.
How about viewing a RS mega?
Something that is affordable 😉🤔
Just throwing it out there for practicality🤓
That would be nice to see Will review 👍
Use this with the super trucks in automobilista 1 😂
The extra two inches will be ok. Just try it out for a few minutes.
little bit of Lithium grease in those cups and the noise would prob disappear, although too much and you might end up in the next room lol
That’d would also make them a dirt and debris magnet.
What monitor stand are you using in this video? It looks seriously overbuilt.
It’s just a pressed aluminium stand like you’d find in a school.
"let's go see what a few more inches feels like" that's what she said! xD
Think of the gaming rig you could by for 9k...
Not sure how they can justify that price for whats really just 4 pistons and some circuitry
Awesome review. I was wondering if you ever get the opportunity, could you review the QUBIC SYSTEM - QS-210-PL 3-DOF 4 Axis Motion system. It's 2500 euros cheaper than the 220 model at 7000 euros, which makes it a lot cheaper than the d-box motion which (is 8750 euros) has just under 40mm of while the qubic 210 still has 60mm of travel. I think that would be very interesting. By the way all the prices I mentioned are with tax.
We have one here. Will be on to it soon.
@@boostedmedia Awesome, can't wait till the review is out.
Great stuff, but at these prices not really affordable for the average sim racer.
2 inches is a huge difference, well that’s what she said any way…
Hello, What is your favorite system motion? D box or Qubic?
I think qubic is an objectively better system. But the D-Box is still more practical for my particular very unique usage case.
@@boostedmediaCan you elaborate further? How does the haptic vibrations differ? Which is better
There has to be a cheaper way to make these! Perhaps when the market gets more competition? Sweet stuff minus the price.
Search for the SFX-100 project. It's been around for a few years now.
There is the yaw vr 2, way different design but also cheaper. It's still not shipping yet though, I kick-started it like 2 and a half years ago and still haven't gotten it 😂
Really cool but just waaaay to expensive
The year 2000 called looking to get their shoes back 😅
Nup. They’re mine now! 😂
0:32 that’s what she said
now all i need is a fan blowing on me at the mph i am driving
Kinda looks like Eracing Lab 4 dof thats more affordable. 🤔
18.5k NZD!
i always knew that 4 inches was alot
That's a lot of money. You can get the same experience for 1/3 of the price.
Tidy looking kit tho.
Link?
Me two please
"You can get a 'similar' experience for 1/3 of the price."
Fixed
@DJOZMET he's probably talking about SFX100 or SFX150
@@biz0r07 I'd love to see a review and comparison with that here.