Why didn't you tell him to turn down the FFB? If an experienced RW racedriver says his hands start to hurt after 3-4 laps, it clearly isn't set up properly.
@@ElShogoso Nah, it's not. It's about realizing that rookies is not about winning races, but about getting safely around the track. It took me all of four races to "get out of rookies" which basically means nothing, except that you're allowed to race in faster series. The racing is not necessarily cleaner , up until you reach around 1.8k IR, except in the Superformula Lights series. That's basically bumper car racing without bumpers. I'm still racing the rookie series because it's fun,...just against higher rated drivers.
@@mementomori4972 For me it was incredibly difficult to raise my SR, even driving carefully. There was always carnage on race starts, especially if you started on the middle of the pack in those MX5s. Took me about a month to get out of rookies even though I'd been league racing in rFactor 2 for years
Ben for iracing practice and qualify "drive super careful no off tracks etc .Miss the start "don't push the button to grid up" start from the pits stay away from everyone and get the Safety rating "don't even race "
The thing i love about Ben is that, considering all his real world experience, he is willing to listen, to learn, take advice and never thinks he should automatically be fast because of his back ground. We all know that Ben would totally blow these RUclipsrs away in the real world but he never brings that into the conversation, so down to earth, great video.👌
The sign if a great professional the wisdom to constantly learn. Just look at Gordon Ramsay, he's always out there learning. Used to love his shows where he went abroad to learn new dishes.
I can see why Top Gear chose him for the Stig. The guy is dead normal and down to earth. Always trying to be objective about racing and not putting himself anywhere on the scale. For all intents and purposes, he's a student in these videos. I love the guy.
The Stig and Super GT is the crossover I never thought I would see! I enjoy both of your videos and it’s cool to see you working together. I really enjoy the difference in perspective between racers who got their start in completely different ways. Thanks for the video guys!
Ben is seriously one of my favorite humans. Extremely humble, yet competitive. Helps others learn to drive fast, yet takes tips from others. Steve is one of my long time youtubers so this was awesome to see both of you guys in one place!
Follow you both for a year now, nice to see them together like this. Respect to Ben Collins for getting started into Sim-Racing, its a whole other world. Cuz every race game (engine) has its feel and input response, that you need to get a hold on. When you change a game, try adjusting settings to get something workable for you.
Try VR Ben, much easier to adjust from real life, much more about feel and looking around the corner for your exit line rather than being completely reliant on markers and memory..GT7 in PSVR2 is a great start..
It's very sweet to see a fully grown man, who's probably lived enough to fill two lifetimes, be utterly humbled trying something that is, to him, so new and different. Clearly this ability to be humble and persevere has served The Stig well.
@@BenCollinsGaming jimmy would turn the fucking force feed back down, and dial back the motion on that rig. yes ben they can do that for you in the wheels and rig settings.
The thing I've always found regarding motion and tactile transducers, is that less is more. You want just enough to feel it, but not so high that it's distracting. The same thing goes for the wheel force feedback - just because the wheelbase is capable of 25-30nm doesn't mean that you should set it that high. I guess you're the better judge here, but I don't think you'd be fighting the wheel like that in a real GT4 with power steering.
@@BenCollinsGaming Oh I don't disagree, but having visited a couple of sim racing centres I've always found that they've been set up for a so called "experience" - you pay your 30 or 40 quid and just get thrown around for half an hour with every thing set to 11, rather than it being a more realistic experience, and by realistic I mean how one would have their own rig set up for long stints. Actually what I am looking forward too is to when you do finally get your own sim rig, have it set up so that it feels right to you, and then see how much you improve. I'm guessing it will be by quite a lot.
I agree, i use transducers and just feeling the road bumps and curbs really enhances the immersion without being too distracting. If you could almost eliminate all the sideways motion but keep some of the lineal i think it would be much better.
Wheel is set up too strong, you shouldn’t be fighting it. Also motion should be turned down to taste. Not sure why they didn’t dial the rig in for you.
I swear it's like the n'th time I saw a "pro" sim rig and everything is just turned up to absolute max because bigger number = better. Just because the wheel can be set to break your wrist every time you corner or crash doesn't mean it should. I once sat in a rig like that and the brake pedal was so stiff that I couldn't push it in to the max without almost standing on it and ffb was turned so high up that it was just constant clipping on every movement.
is it an ‘experience’ location? Maybe they have everything amped up to shake you about because for a quick go it feels fun? Agree though for a proper session they could dial things in to preference
It's nice to see the STIG learning something new, I've recently started learning sim racing with zero experience and it's tough..Humbling to watch this thanks for the great content!
Youre definitely learning a lot now! Sim racing to me is learning how to feed off of the subtle visual cues of the cars motion, and coupling it with the steering feedback. I think sim driving requires you to race more analytically. Some say (lol) that motion setups are counter-productive. Shoutouts to Steve, I hope you guys get together more often!
Ben, I really think you could learn a lot from Suellio Almeida. He is a sim racing coach. I think it would make great content if you two could get together.
The way they both describe the concept of getting used to seeing when the car is sliding is definitely a key to sim racing. No matter how detailed the force feedback is, there is still a visual element you learn to rely on in place of the "seat of the pants" feeling. I find that if you're directly behind another car (in sim), you can lose the visual reference of how straight the car is tracking, it can be really disconcerting if you're used to irl. Really good video. Lot's of good points.
Your honesty is commendable. It's all practice, like getting out of a fast car and getting into a van, you have to adapt. Also it is worth mentioning to Ben that most sims or simcades attempt to model every facet of real racing and sometimes do it well. Example being the Porsche will be tail heavy. Loving this series. Cheers from Australia
Loving the new channel, content keeps getting better and better. If the force feedback is so strong that its hurting you may want to adjust that a bit to provide the feedback you want without ripping your arms off. All that can be done in the wheelbase software as well as in game. Looking forward to seeing your iRacing career progress. The no fault system is rough in the rookies but it get better as you race with higher caliber drivers.
I would love to see Ben doing a session with Suellio Almeida. I think that could really help him out in the sim. Steve struggles a bit with analyzing and explaining how Ben could improve in the sim. He's grate but he's just not a coach.
@@jackofaenr Suellio is just pretty occupied with real life racing right now. He's leading the Radical North American cup. Won all three races last weekend.
Came here to say this. I've done a few sessions with him and the dude is racing Yoda. One of the things he explained to me really clearly and well was how to set up force feedback and interpret what it's telling you, something Ben's obviously struggling with. I bet he'd pick up on Ben's track usage - sim racers abuse the curbs and track limits in a way that you just can't do in real life.
Such a cool video Ben. Awesome seeing the "Real racer" and the "Virtual" racer duel it out at Oulton park track. It felt like two mates playing in the arcades, but its sim racing setups. Wish that track was in GT7. Just a small critique, take a break & talk to cam with us with your guest and plz dont show us a boring lookin powerpoint slide of telemetry, must be a better way to show that. Attack, race attack SUPERGT, get that STIG..!🤘😂👍
Someone please sit down and dial Bens setups in the future. Or have him buy one for himself. Something basic with no motion system and FFB set for humans.
Exactly. I wished they had stopped when he mentioned it & adjusted it down for him. It's simulation racing meaning we are trying to replicate what Ben does for real. Ben having to adjust to meet common sim racer beliefs of what real feels like is just backwards.
@@mementomori4972tactile transducers would give him what he appreciated (and add feedback for lockup/traction loss) and not add the sway he doesn’t like. Keep it simple
Well the best fun that I can recommend is Assetto Corsa Competizione night and rain on Nordschleife this is a real benchmark driving close behind and getting serious water splash on your visibility through the whole long lap. Driving with a heavy truck near Bath on winding roads can give lots of emotions as well...
Great to see this content, like to see this. Would like to play on a setup like that one day myself. I wonder if Super was just maybe just a little nervous to discuss with you... you are a big deal mate :D... there were a few times you asked a question and he just didn't say anything, but I can't blame him on that.
It’s really humbling to see this. And it’s nice to show the real difference between sim and irl. And I’m glad I’m not the only one who can left foot on sim but not properly irl 😂 that sim setup does seem far too overly strong. Awesome to watch, loved it
I started my iRacing career in April and have reached my A-class license recently. The key for me was to start at the back and push hard to at minimum end in the top 10. Top 5 for best points, both iR and SR. Now on A-class I’m actually pushing Qualy and Racing people that understand the basics of racing.
Braking is the biggest weakness in AC. Traction under heavy braking is mostly unrealistically good and there is a bug that gives you super grip if you downshift and over rev it while braking hard. Can't wait for Ben to hit competitive levels in iracing and get his hopefully honest view about the competition there.
Great video! Glad to see Steve there to help you on your sim racing way, but as he and everyone else has said already you're picking this up very quickly (unsurprisingly)! Hope to see more of this
Great video. Sim setup definitely needs adjusting. But this is the best way to learn. With someone who's reasonably fast and just put in the laps, with sim racing just gotta keep at it 👍
one thing about assetto corsa that i think ive realized and i think that steve has too, as well as it shows in the telemetry, is braking in AC. ben seems to dance on the brake a little bit more whereas steve just mashes the brake to 100% and come straight off it. i think with ben maybe being used to the braking in iRacing more than AC it’s maybe holding him back a little. if he committed to “100% brake pressure” he could start braking later and pick up some decent time
Good skills Mr Collins, have you tried racing in VR mode, i.e., GT7 VR2? I’d love to get your thoughts on the experience. One day I hope to be able to afford a motion sim to go with my VR headset. Great channel!
It took me at least a year to adjust from real racing to sim racing, and even another year to get into the top 0.5% of my first sim. Mostly it was about converting real SOP into wheel ffb and stereo vision depth perception into braking marker positions on a screen. Interestingly the spatial awareness of opponents seemed immediate and perhaps is better on sims because of all the artificial proximity indicators you get. Once you do learn it though, it does seem pretty easy to switch to other sims (the different physics are a bit like just driving a different car) so once the numbness of sim racing is dialed in to your subconscious, it's easy to adjust. I can't say there is a specific trick to that conversion process beyond just practice and experience. Definitely stick to one sim though, because the physics and ffb are different in them all. One thing for sure though is when you get old, the spotty teenage gamer factor comes in who will destroy you on pure reactions. So "the older I get, the faster I was" factor definitely exists. BTW escaping bum ratings is mostly just about being fast. The sims will tell it's about being safe as respectful but it's no replacement for creaming the opposition every corner.
Loving the content - Ben, if you want to drive GT cars in iRacing - you need to get out of rookies and get your 'sports car' license to D. To do this, you need to do sports car racing - Rookie MX5 is a good pace to start. I'm about a week into my iracing journey and i'm already at a C license and able to do GT4 and Porsche Supercup. To get out of Rookies quickly, just stay out of trouble. The game doesn't care about your results at first, just stick at the back out of trouble and pump in some boring but clean laps with no off tracks, spinning or crashing into anything!
Ben, there's a setting for FFB (and other settings such as TC, brake bias, etc) you can bind to button on steering wheel or button box (also for teleport to pit which is important in AC), but you must install content manager first to be able to do that.
I think you would benefit from wearing headphones and having correct audio setup you want the tyre sound on max and engine noise low that will help hear what tyres are doing and if they are sliding etc
@@tomventers yhhhh i was going to say it's proberly because its harder to replica the feeling threw your arse and feet irl transferring to sim racing and opposite way round when learn opposing crafts I suppose I'd love to see this other way round irl tho 🤣🤣 I think Ben would smoke him a little more than Steve smokes him on a sim
One small clarification, at 9:10 Ben talks about R. Hammond racing.....it is , in fact, Richard's The smallest cog team but he doesn't drive the car. Anthony and Abbie have been the drivers so far.
A big difference between you and Steve in AC is your braking%, in iracing it's optimal to not really go above 75% like what you've been doing in AC however as you can see from Steve's graph he is using 100% braking much more often (this would easily lock you up in iracing) so sort of remembering how to brake in each sim will help massively
Ben you nailed a great time, learning how to drive fast is hard like Steve said it can be counter intuitive but works. I tend to drive a lot with my accelerator. Hope to see you on track in iRacing Bumdraft you! 🤣
Good fun to watch, I seem to suffer the same problems you do on Sims, funny that, racing in a car, you dont notice all the movement, your senses are tuned into different feelings, ie, grip levels, body roll, breaking pressure. but on a sim, it just feels like a bone shaker, thats not connected to the car, all my race car mates all have the same problem, Youre exit speeds are great, but the braking is so hard to judge, it seems easier going from sim to car, than car to sim 😂 if i turn all the movement and feedback off, im much faster. Be great to see, you take the same car around your fav uk track and see the time difference between sim and realword racing, i cannot get anywhere near my lap times in a sim.
:D Ben, He didn't explain to you! "Bump-drafting" is the act of using your extra speed in the draft to bump the car in front gently and give them little pushes. It's a teamwork technique.
I started iRacing in my mid 20s, I haven't been totally continuous on the service but 13 years later what has stuck is the tracks I learned first (i.e. when I was the youngest) are still my best....I think what I'm saying is the younger you are the easier it is to get good at!
@@lilibordei721 100% agree, Bens a better driver than 99% of the player base. iRacing is more like a piano lesson, repetition repetition repetition... drive the perfect line that you have memorized over and over again, don't drive the car to the limit, don't battle people, let faster car though or be punted. ultra clean driving is more important than winning or you get put down a class.
There's definitely some steering feedback adjustments to be had to make it feel more like hydraulic power steering rather than a rack & pinion binding over bumps. Also, vehicle setup is key in sim as it is in the real world. Adjusting a setup to get the car to behave to your preference can make all the difference. Unfortunately in sim, the "ultra fast" people will use unrealistic setups that would never work IRL but are favorably calculated by the game engine. That said, there are plenty of people and real world drivers that setup their cars appropriately (and realistically) and may not be THE fastest but still fast enough to put up fights.
It's nice to hear someone else say something about the bouncing! DD wheels can add too much bumping around. Especially on tracks like the 24hr at Nurb on acc! You can break your wrist on that track 😂
Being honest here, I myself just got into sim racing with a wheel, i dont even drive a real car or anything(probably a good thing since i dont expect the physical feeling under me). In iRacing all you gotta do to get out of rookies is be very patient, focus on keeping the car on track, not worry about position and you're good, it took me 4 races to get out of rookie, did it last night, I'm now driving the F4's and having a blast. However I'm getting mugged a little, the game ranked me at 1600 iRating to start.
Drive around at the back on iracing. Don't worry about where you finish, just finish without incident until.your safety rating is up and you can get in the gt3s And always ask them to turn the force feedback down if it's too strong. You'll be faster 😊
@BenCollinsGaming I feel really validated now 😂 I have 30 years experience in sports cars and single seaters as an amateur in the US and none of it helps in iracing sports cars. I am good at iracing NASCAR though (good-ish, 2k irating so far)😅
I remember Project Cars 2 having massive tank slapper problems. It's such a shame is was dropped a year after release (and that they never supported modding)
Sounds like the ffb strength was way too high. As others have said, someone needs to spend a bit of time with Ben to dial in the ffb settings. I also think a session with Jardier would help. I’m sure Jards would be up for it! Or here in the U.K., someone like James Baldwin, Luke Whitehead or George Boothby.
I wanna see an all-out race between the stig and super gt after stig gets more practice, I wanna see them both, no talking, no joking, just pure focused racing. I think that will be a good one
I think that just solidified Gran Turismo 7 and ACC have the best fidelity. I want to see Ben on Gran Turismo.. if only Gran Turismo 7 added the top gear track!!! 🥰🥰
Ben. Do pop into our Gran Turismo lobby over at PlayStation Racer 👍 9pm til late , Monday til Friday. Or of course pop in the Live Stream chat , would be great to see you.
This is how I feel about the sims. I can't separate the way I drive in the real world vs the cyber space, and I am 2 seconds behind the aliens on average.
if/when you get your own sim - perhaps tactile transducers on the pedals and/or seat - gets you feedback on traction loss on throttle, ABS kicking in so you can get feel for brake lock up, and then the bumps etc through the seat. Pretty cheap addition too.
I think the bumpiness may also be due to the track geometry. I am pretty sure there's no official Oulton Park for AC and the available one is some sort of fan conversion of rF1 track. The geometry on modded tracks may sometimes be a bit rough, which may account for some of the weird feedback.
Curious choice to use a mod track. Ideally a laser scan means more precision for the point map and more accuracy to real life for someone who might have driven the real track. AC has enough laser scanned tracks to use.
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Thank you for the chance to tell you all about bum drafting. Hope its enough to help you escape iracing rookies
Why didn't you tell him to turn down the FFB? If an experienced RW racedriver says his hands start to hurt after 3-4 laps, it clearly isn't set up properly.
@@lux_moto "Look how strong these DD wheels are!" Smells like a marketing setup.
Hey Stiggy, SUPER GT here in your rear view... 😜😉😎
@@Bassalicious You might be right. But I hate it to think that two of the people I hold in high regards would lend themselves to cheap BS like that.
@@lux_moto It doesn't have to be them, could be the organizers of that location / venue or whoever else.
It's so funny listening to THE STIG, complaining that he can't get out of iRacing rookies :D.
I can't believe I surpassed THE STIG in something! (this is sarcasm, getting out of rookies in iracing is like 80% luck)
@@ElShogoso Nah, it's not. It's about realizing that rookies is not about winning races, but about getting safely around the track. It took me all of four races to "get out of rookies" which basically means nothing, except that you're allowed to race in faster series. The racing is not necessarily cleaner , up until you reach around 1.8k IR, except in the Superformula Lights series. That's basically bumper car racing without bumpers. I'm still racing the rookie series because it's fun,...just against higher rated drivers.
Great channel really enjoying this 👊👊👍👍😎😎
@@mementomori4972 For me it was incredibly difficult to raise my SR, even driving carefully. There was always carnage on race starts, especially if you started on the middle of the pack in those MX5s. Took me about a month to get out of rookies even though I'd been league racing in rFactor 2 for years
Ben for iracing practice and qualify "drive super careful no off tracks etc .Miss the start "don't push the button to grid up" start from the pits stay away from everyone and get the Safety rating "don't even race "
What a pairing! Make this a regular crossover !
I’ll get in training for round 2!
The thing i love about Ben is that, considering all his real world experience, he is willing to listen, to learn, take advice and never thinks he should automatically be fast because of his back ground. We all know that Ben would totally blow these RUclipsrs away in the real world but he never brings that into the conversation, so down to earth, great video.👌
It would be great to see the reverse and him giving pointers to the crew on real track tips.
The sign if a great professional the wisdom to constantly learn. Just look at Gordon Ramsay, he's always out there learning. Used to love his shows where he went abroad to learn new dishes.
I can see why Top Gear chose him for the Stig. The guy is dead normal and down to earth. Always trying to be objective about racing and not putting himself anywhere on the scale. For all intents and purposes, he's a student in these videos. I love the guy.
That's just how a proper racing driver reacts. They all know how to get faster.
29:25 Best part😂
“I’m beating you there… just know that” - Ben Collins
Stig, meet Barry R.
Got sent to the shadow realm
The Stig and Super GT is the crossover I never thought I would see! I enjoy both of your videos and it’s cool to see you working together. I really enjoy the difference in perspective between racers who got their start in completely different ways. Thanks for the video guys!
We’ve come a long way from “SuperGT face reveal” to this. :)
Ben is seriously one of my favorite humans. Extremely humble, yet competitive. Helps others learn to drive fast, yet takes tips from others. Steve is one of my long time youtubers so this was awesome to see both of you guys in one place!
Ben is getting it with time, and 37:39 one of the fastest counter steers I have ever seen
Good spot!
+1 for Bumdrafting 😂
Follow you both for a year now, nice to see them together like this.
Respect to Ben Collins for getting started into Sim-Racing, its a whole other world.
Cuz every race game (engine) has its feel and input response, that you need to get a hold on.
When you change a game, try adjusting settings to get something workable for you.
Super interesting! Loved it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Try VR Ben, much easier to adjust from real life, much more about feel and looking around the corner for your exit line rather than being completely reliant on markers and memory..GT7 in PSVR2 is a great start..
It's very sweet to see a fully grown man, who's probably lived enough to fill two lifetimes, be utterly humbled trying something that is, to him, so new and different. Clearly this ability to be humble and persevere has served The Stig well.
That was absolutely top notch content! Can’t wait for you to get Jimmer 😎
You and me both!
@@BenCollinsGaming jimmy would turn the fucking force feed back down, and dial back the motion on that rig. yes ben they can do that for you in the wheels and rig settings.
Ben and Jimmy on Beam NG with max force feedback ^^
My man Steve collaborating with the Stig....😮! Great work guy👌
The thing I've always found regarding motion and tactile transducers, is that less is more. You want just enough to feel it, but not so high that it's distracting.
The same thing goes for the wheel force feedback - just because the wheelbase is capable of 25-30nm doesn't mean that you should set it that high. I guess you're the better judge here, but I don't think you'd be fighting the wheel like that in a real GT4 with power steering.
💯 its useful for sensing initial weight transfers and bumps to sense timing, not for G force
@@BenCollinsGaming Oh I don't disagree, but having visited a couple of sim racing centres I've always found that they've been set up for a so called "experience" - you pay your 30 or 40 quid and just get thrown around for half an hour with every thing set to 11, rather than it being a more realistic experience, and by realistic I mean how one would have their own rig set up for long stints.
Actually what I am looking forward too is to when you do finally get your own sim rig, have it set up so that it feels right to you, and then see how much you improve. I'm guessing it will be by quite a lot.
I agree, i use transducers and just feeling the road bumps and curbs really enhances the immersion without being too distracting. If you could almost eliminate all the sideways motion but keep some of the lineal i think it would be much better.
Wheel is set up too strong, you shouldn’t be fighting it. Also motion should be turned down to taste. Not sure why they didn’t dial the rig in for you.
it does look like there is too much roll.
It seems FFB is ridiculously strong if pro driver is really fighting it...
If you come away from the experiance with sore thumbs, then somethings not right.
I swear it's like the n'th time I saw a "pro" sim rig and everything is just turned up to absolute max because bigger number = better. Just because the wheel can be set to break your wrist every time you corner or crash doesn't mean it should. I once sat in a rig like that and the brake pedal was so stiff that I couldn't push it in to the max without almost standing on it and ffb was turned so high up that it was just constant clipping on every movement.
is it an ‘experience’ location? Maybe they have everything amped up to shake you about because for a quick go it feels fun? Agree though for a proper session they could dial things in to preference
This is really really Kool.. super get and the stig in the same sim race. Man I would have loved to have been the third racer here.
You two have great chemistry together. Real fun to watch you guys race it out
It's nice to see the STIG learning something new, I've recently started learning sim racing with zero experience and it's tough..Humbling to watch this thanks for the great content!
keep it up Ben you're a natural🤟
Youre definitely learning a lot now! Sim racing to me is learning how to feed off of the subtle visual cues of the cars motion, and coupling it with the steering feedback. I think sim driving requires you to race more analytically.
Some say (lol) that motion setups are counter-productive.
Shoutouts to Steve, I hope you guys get together more often!
Ben, I really think you could learn a lot from Suellio Almeida. He is a sim racing coach. I think it would make great content if you two could get together.
Wow what a collab! SuperGT is a beast 💪🏻
The way they both describe the concept of getting used to seeing when the car is sliding is definitely a key to sim racing. No matter how detailed the force feedback is, there is still a visual element you learn to rely on in place of the "seat of the pants" feeling. I find that if you're directly behind another car (in sim), you can lose the visual reference of how straight the car is tracking, it can be really disconcerting if you're used to irl. Really good video. Lot's of good points.
Your honesty is commendable. It's all practice, like getting out of a fast car and getting into a van, you have to adapt. Also it is worth mentioning to Ben that most sims or simcades attempt to model every facet of real racing and sometimes do it well. Example being the Porsche will be tail heavy. Loving this series. Cheers from Australia
Loving the new channel, content keeps getting better and better. If the force feedback is so strong that its hurting you may want to adjust that a bit to provide the feedback you want without ripping your arms off. All that can be done in the wheelbase software as well as in game. Looking forward to seeing your iRacing career progress. The no fault system is rough in the rookies but it get better as you race with higher caliber drivers.
15:13 "more catastrophic" is certainly the way I would describe some of my slides when I first started out 😂
I would love to see Ben doing a session with Suellio Almeida. I think that could really help him out in the sim. Steve struggles a bit with analyzing and explaining how Ben could improve in the sim. He's grate but he's just not a coach.
Good idea! I’d love to see Ben go against Steve again after getting some tips froms Suelllio
Yes Ben you need to reach out to him he would explain exactly what you need to do.
@@jackofaenr Suellio is just pretty occupied with real life racing right now. He's leading the Radical North American cup. Won all three races last weekend.
@@mementomori4972I’m sure he could find some time for The Stig
Came here to say this. I've done a few sessions with him and the dude is racing Yoda. One of the things he explained to me really clearly and well was how to set up force feedback and interpret what it's telling you, something Ben's obviously struggling with. I bet he'd pick up on Ben's track usage - sim racers abuse the curbs and track limits in a way that you just can't do in real life.
Such a cool video Ben. Awesome seeing the "Real racer" and the "Virtual" racer duel it out at Oulton park track. It felt like two mates playing in the arcades, but its sim racing setups. Wish that track was in GT7. Just a small critique, take a break & talk to cam with us with your guest and plz dont show us a boring lookin powerpoint slide of telemetry, must be a better way to show that. Attack, race attack SUPERGT, get that STIG..!🤘😂👍
Steve is red hot and makes no mistakes - amazing the discipline you can develop on the rig
Someone please sit down and dial Bens setups in the future. Or have him buy one for himself. Something basic with no motion system and FFB set for humans.
Exactly. I wished they had stopped when he mentioned it & adjusted it down for him. It's simulation racing meaning we are trying to replicate what Ben does for real. Ben having to adjust to meet common sim racer beliefs of what real feels like is just backwards.
@@mementomori4972tactile transducers would give him what he appreciated (and add feedback for lockup/traction loss) and not add the sway he doesn’t like. Keep it simple
The sim studio is replicating a rollercoaster, not a finely tuned machine.
If the screens moved with the rest of the rig I might understand it.
@@samuelgarrod8327 oh I was really annoyed watching the wheel move independently from the dash.
Well the best fun that I can recommend is Assetto Corsa Competizione night and rain on Nordschleife this is a real benchmark driving close behind and getting serious water splash on your visibility through the whole long lap. Driving with a heavy truck near Bath on winding roads can give lots of emotions as well...
Great to see this content, like to see this. Would like to play on a setup like that one day myself. I wonder if Super was just maybe just a little nervous to discuss with you... you are a big deal mate :D... there were a few times you asked a question and he just didn't say anything, but I can't blame him on that.
Wow fantastic video Ben 👏 👍
welome to the Sim world Ben, been a big fan for decades.
Just found you. This is great.
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It’s really humbling to see this. And it’s nice to show the real difference between sim and irl. And I’m glad I’m not the only one who can left foot on sim but not properly irl 😂 that sim setup does seem far too overly strong. Awesome to watch, loved it
Finally some assetto corsa love! been wanting ac content on SuperGt's channel but this will do for sure
Absolutely love this! Where is the patreon to get in on racing with you all? A girl needs good racing pals!
I started my iRacing career in April and have reached my A-class license recently. The key for me was to start at the back and push hard to at minimum end in the top 10. Top 5 for best points, both iR and SR. Now on A-class I’m actually pushing Qualy and Racing people that understand the basics of racing.
Braking is the biggest weakness in AC. Traction under heavy braking is mostly unrealistically good and there is a bug that gives you super grip if you downshift and over rev it while braking hard. Can't wait for Ben to hit competitive levels in iracing and get his hopefully honest view about the competition there.
What a collab! Legendary!
Great video! Glad to see Steve there to help you on your sim racing way, but as he and everyone else has said already you're picking this up very quickly (unsurprisingly)! Hope to see more of this
Great video. Sim setup definitely needs adjusting. But this is the best way to learn. With someone who's reasonably fast and just put in the laps,
with sim racing just gotta keep at it 👍
I had a go on those sim rigs for 10 minutes and my forearms were wrecked! Really strong FFB compared to my G29 😂 great content as usual!!
I look forward to seeing you on Iracing, persevere through the bs and it will be worth it, focus on no incidents and get out rookie and youll love it.
one thing about assetto corsa that i think ive realized and i think that steve has too, as well as it shows in the telemetry, is braking in AC. ben seems to dance on the brake a little bit more whereas steve just mashes the brake to 100% and come straight off it. i think with ben maybe being used to the braking in iRacing more than AC it’s maybe holding him back a little. if he committed to “100% brake pressure” he could start braking later and pick up some decent time
Wasn't expecting a collab so soon! Thanks for the video!
This was amazing to watch.
Love this
Steve is absolute class (unlike Jimmy). Was a treat to see you two together.
Fantastic, must have been great to meet the Stig
This was seriously interesting to watch
Good skills Mr Collins, have you tried racing in VR mode, i.e., GT7 VR2? I’d love to get your thoughts on the experience. One day I hope to be able to afford a motion sim to go with my VR headset. Great channel!
It took me at least a year to adjust from real racing to sim racing, and even another year to get into the top 0.5% of my first sim. Mostly it was about converting real SOP into wheel ffb and stereo vision depth perception into braking marker positions on a screen. Interestingly the spatial awareness of opponents seemed immediate and perhaps is better on sims because of all the artificial proximity indicators you get. Once you do learn it though, it does seem pretty easy to switch to other sims (the different physics are a bit like just driving a different car) so once the numbness of sim racing is dialed in to your subconscious, it's easy to adjust.
I can't say there is a specific trick to that conversion process beyond just practice and experience. Definitely stick to one sim though, because the physics and ffb are different in them all.
One thing for sure though is when you get old, the spotty teenage gamer factor comes in who will destroy you on pure reactions. So "the older I get, the faster I was" factor definitely exists.
BTW escaping bum ratings is mostly just about being fast. The sims will tell it's about being safe as respectful but it's no replacement for creaming the opposition every corner.
These videos are great fun.
fancy trying your hand at some ACC Endurance Ben?
Maybe one day!
Loving the content - Ben, if you want to drive GT cars in iRacing - you need to get out of rookies and get your 'sports car' license to D. To do this, you need to do sports car racing - Rookie MX5 is a good pace to start. I'm about a week into my iracing journey and i'm already at a C license and able to do GT4 and Porsche Supercup. To get out of Rookies quickly, just stay out of trouble. The game doesn't care about your results at first, just stick at the back out of trouble and pump in some boring but clean laps with no off tracks, spinning or crashing into anything!
Ben, there's a setting for FFB (and other settings such as TC, brake bias, etc) you can bind to button on steering wheel or button box (also for teleport to pit which is important in AC), but you must install content manager first to be able to do that.
I think you would benefit from wearing headphones and having correct audio setup you want the tyre sound on max and engine noise low that will help hear what tyres are doing and if they are sliding etc
How good to do the same in real race cars or go karts. Learned a lot from the conversation. Very informative.
I think it's harder to go from pro racer to pro sim racer than it is to go from pro sim racer to pro in reality for some reason
Sim racing has all the detail in the wheel, whereas irl you have your wheel, brake, body feedback.
It's the difference in adding or removing feedback
@@tomventers yhhhh i was going to say it's proberly because its harder to replica the feeling threw your arse and feet irl transferring to sim racing and opposite way round when learn opposing crafts I suppose I'd love to see this other way round irl tho 🤣🤣 I think Ben would smoke him a little more than Steve smokes him on a sim
I'm assuming I'd be terrified to throw a car into a corner IRL like I do in a sim.
I don't want my immersion so good it breaks my bones
Great video. There are multiple accounts on Gran Turismo called Stig. I wonder what the real Stigs accounts is...?
One small clarification, at 9:10 Ben talks about R. Hammond racing.....it is , in fact, Richard's The smallest cog team but he doesn't drive the car.
Anthony and Abbie have been the drivers so far.
A big difference between you and Steve in AC is your braking%, in iracing it's optimal to not really go above 75% like what you've been doing in AC however as you can see from Steve's graph he is using 100% braking much more often (this would easily lock you up in iracing) so sort of remembering how to brake in each sim will help massively
Ben you nailed a great time, learning how to drive fast is hard like Steve said it can be counter intuitive but works. I tend to drive a lot with my accelerator. Hope to see you on track in iRacing Bumdraft you! 🤣
Thanks 👍
Good fun to watch, I seem to suffer the same problems you do on Sims,
funny that, racing in a car, you dont notice all the movement, your senses are tuned into different feelings, ie, grip levels, body roll, breaking pressure. but on a sim, it just feels like a bone shaker, thats not connected to the car, all my race car mates all have the same problem, Youre exit speeds are great, but the braking is so hard to judge, it seems easier going from sim to car, than car to sim 😂 if i turn all the movement and feedback off, im much faster.
Be great to see, you take the same car around your fav uk track and see the time difference between sim and realword racing, i cannot get anywhere near my lap times in a sim.
:D Ben, He didn't explain to you! "Bump-drafting" is the act of using your extra speed in the draft to bump the car in front gently and give them little pushes. It's a teamwork technique.
right, well THIS is not a collab i EVER expected to see/hear. brilliant :L
Finally a celebretz could be in the same low lobby as me in iracing!!! So exciting!!!
I started iRacing in my mid 20s, I haven't been totally continuous on the service but 13 years later what has stuck is the tracks I learned first (i.e. when I was the youngest) are still my best....I think what I'm saying is the younger you are the easier it is to get good at!
Not at all thats just a rhetoric that is designed to keep people on the same path in life rather than progressing
@@lilibordei721 100% agree, Bens a better driver than 99% of the player base. iRacing is more like a piano lesson, repetition repetition repetition... drive the perfect line that you have memorized over and over again, don't drive the car to the limit, don't battle people, let faster car though or be punted. ultra clean driving is more important than winning or you get put down a class.
There's definitely some steering feedback adjustments to be had to make it feel more like hydraulic power steering rather than a rack & pinion binding over bumps.
Also, vehicle setup is key in sim as it is in the real world. Adjusting a setup to get the car to behave to your preference can make all the difference.
Unfortunately in sim, the "ultra fast" people will use unrealistic setups that would never work IRL but are favorably calculated by the game engine.
That said, there are plenty of people and real world drivers that setup their cars appropriately (and realistically) and may not be THE fastest but still fast enough to put up fights.
Oulton Park + GT4 is really great combo in AC!
It's nice to hear someone else say something about the bouncing! DD wheels can add too much bumping around. Especially on tracks like the 24hr at Nurb on acc! You can break your wrist on that track 😂
We saw why Ben was a proper racer in that glare while he was chasing Super GT. The old bells were ringing behind those eyes haha.
Simply lovely Ben, Steve s fast indeed .. but did you say bum-drafting? 🤣🤣🤣
Bagging on the gloves was very funny.. I often feel silly with the gloves but the main reason I use them is to stop the wheel handles stinking 😂😂
Being honest here, I myself just got into sim racing with a wheel, i dont even drive a real car or anything(probably a good thing since i dont expect the physical feeling under me). In iRacing all you gotta do to get out of rookies is be very patient, focus on keeping the car on track, not worry about position and you're good, it took me 4 races to get out of rookie, did it last night, I'm now driving the F4's and having a blast. However I'm getting mugged a little, the game ranked me at 1600 iRating to start.
Drive around at the back on iracing. Don't worry about where you finish, just finish without incident until.your safety rating is up and you can get in the gt3s
And always ask them to turn the force feedback down if it's too strong. You'll be faster 😊
Not quite, You need a B licence to race GT3s in I racing.
You learned from one of the best,Stig!
@BenCollinsGaming I feel really validated now 😂 I have 30 years experience in sports cars and single seaters as an amateur in the US and none of it helps in iracing sports cars. I am good at iracing NASCAR though (good-ish, 2k irating so far)😅
I remember Project Cars 2 having massive tank slapper problems. It's such a shame is was dropped a year after release (and that they never supported modding)
Brilliant video
Pretty good guy to team up with.
Sounds like the ffb strength was way too high. As others have said, someone needs to spend a bit of time with Ben to dial in the ffb settings. I also think a session with Jardier would help. I’m sure Jards would be up for it! Or here in the U.K., someone like James Baldwin, Luke Whitehead or George Boothby.
I wanna see an all-out race between the stig and super gt after stig gets more practice, I wanna see them both, no talking, no joking, just pure focused racing. I think that will be a good one
I think that just solidified Gran Turismo 7 and ACC have the best fidelity. I want to see Ben on Gran Turismo.. if only Gran Turismo 7 added the top gear track!!! 🥰🥰
Would love an IRL follow up!
Super GT + Ben driving for Hammond at some point? With Abbie and Anthony that's a half decent pool of drivers to throw in the MG ;)
Ben. Do pop into our Gran Turismo lobby over at PlayStation Racer 👍 9pm til late , Monday til Friday.
Or of course pop in the Live Stream chat , would be great to see you.
Ben, let them dial the movement of the rig down next time. I love the humor and the choice of companion, fantastic.
This is how I feel about the sims. I can't separate the way I drive in the real world vs the cyber space, and I am 2 seconds behind the aliens on average.
Nor should you - the job of sim makers is to make it as real as possible. Anything that shatters the illusion should be ironed out
And, 2 seconds isn't that much 🙂
@@fauxnulzero you are one of the aliens!
Having my boy drive back to the pits is crazy 😂.
if/when you get your own sim - perhaps tactile transducers on the pedals and/or seat - gets you feedback on traction loss on throttle, ABS kicking in so you can get feel for brake lock up, and then the bumps etc through the seat. Pretty cheap addition too.
Personally i dont think those work at all - so phoney. Just need accurate response to pressure and correct handling model
I think the bumpiness may also be due to the track geometry. I am pretty sure there's no official Oulton Park for AC and the available one is some sort of fan conversion of rF1 track. The geometry on modded tracks may sometimes be a bit rough, which may account for some of the weird feedback.
One of us, one of us!
Wow never expected this collab
Which layout is this? Looks like Hislops.I've tried this with the GT4 clubsport and I'm massively off pace
Curious choice to use a mod track. Ideally a laser scan means more precision for the point map and more accuracy to real life for someone who might have driven the real track. AC has enough laser scanned tracks to use.
this is laser scanned, they retromodded it from the competizione
laughed at Ben saying iracing won't promote him.. I feel your pain.