Genuinely? I think there were other gods before Hylia, either that or she wasn't alone, until she made it so. I think Hylia slaughtered the other gods that have been either outright mentioned or vaguely referenced on the sidelines to make way for her own perfect world, then the 3 Golden Goddeses restored order and forced Hylia into a mortal form for her crimes. Hylia let Demise start the cycle so she could forever be reborn and have some element of control over the world she created, in one way or another.
As someone who ascribes to the idea that TotK is simultaneously at the end and beginning of the Zelda timeline… I think the goddess of the sand can retroactively be Sonia from TotK 🤔
You gave some compelling arguments for it to be Nayru, and maybe it was originally meant to be Nayru. But using Skyward Sword to support your arguments and drawing a connection to Time makes me think it might now be Hylia. Ever since Skyward Sword, I have viewed Hylia as being the Goddess of Time more so than Nayru. In Skyward Sword Fi delivers numerous messages to Link, which are eventually reviled to be from Hylia herself. In most of those messages Hylia mentions that she is guiding him from "the edge of time." For Hylia to be on the edge of time she must be able to step outside of it, she must be able to control it. That itself is is a clear indication that time is Hylia's domain, and add to that the fact that it has always been a Zelda, Hylia's desendent, that have been the Sage of Time (OOT, TotK) and I think there is a strong case that Hylia is the Goddess of Time. That said, I think there are different tiers of gods in LoZ, at least two. The Golden Goddesses would be the highest level of gods, you could call them multiversal gods or true gods, beings capable of making entire realities and objects so powerful that even lesser gods fight over them. Next level down would be gods like Hylia and Demise (even if you don't want to label him as a god he was on an equivalent power level), universal gods. They are beings of immense power, but ones constrained to one or few realities, and capable of being surmounted. If you want to stretch it you could also count strong spirits like Jabu-Jabu, the Great Deku Tree, and Valoo as something like regional gods. Though from my limited understanding of Japanese mythology the line between god and spirit is blurry, so it might not be a huge stretch. Anyway, that is a long way of saying that the Goddess of the Sand could still be Nayru, as I see it all things are within the domain of the Golden Goddesses, even if Hylia is Goddess of Time.
Been thinking about Nayru a lot as a goddess revered in a different land for a hypothetical Zelda sequel....seeing her theorized connections to the Spirit Temple and the Gerudo is pretty cool.
I didn’t know the dragonfly was the inspiration for the gerudo crest (v1.1), the interesting thing is that dragonflies are usually found near clean water. Lots of flow of water/sand/time analogies. I think this makes sense because if you can measure time you can predict future cataclysms. This is something that all human cultures can relate to in order to overcome nomadic life and have agricultural success to support a population. I like the real cultures connections you make in this vid 👍
@@randaltd well that is a valid point. The colossus herself but my first thought was cobra imagery in the desert palace of alttp, but that gets complicated since the gerudo weren’t around yet irl but yet they were canonically since oot immediately precedes alttp. But then the gerudo dragonfly of SS kind of hints the gerudo tribe already exists. I’ve never really thought about the timeline from the gerudos perspective, but it is an interesting one lol
@@ChrisHoulihan The sand men enemies that pop out of the desert sand (the ones with the flailing hands, not leevers) in ALttP were actually called Gerudo.
@@elio7610 I know the English localized manual says “geldman”, but you sent me down a rabbit hole of finding the original Japanese manual and player guides (🙏ty). They are listed as ゲルドマン, or gerudoman. It looks like they combined the main villain, the thieves, and the desert boogeyman together for oot. Up until oot, ganon was based on Zhu Bajie, a mythological half pig half man being banished from heaven and reincarnated on earth.
I like to think the dragonfly also plays into the fact that Ganondorf covets the kingdom of Hyrule and its resources. It represents what the Gerudo will never have for themselves.
Damn, these p*rn bots are relentless, phenomenal vid though, I always wished they expanded more on the Gerudo lore in OoT especially in terms of the purpose of the Spirit Temple itself.
Same goes with TOTK and BOTW continuity. I wish they expanded more of the Gerudo lore since the Divine Beast Vah Naboris is confirmed to be named after the Ancient Sage of Lightning and the late Gerudo Chief Urbosa is fully aware that the Calamity is indeed created by their formal king Ganondorf. The Gerudo in the Era of Hyrule’s Founding may of lived in a militaristic and barbaric ways before being a part of Hyrule’s kingdom community.
Be honest, how ever much lore they went into it would never be enough for you. Some things are better left ambiguous or vague so that people like you can speculate on different theories and is probably intentional for that reason. Be pretty boring and unsatisfying if every detail was explained
My theory that it’s both the element of balance (water and desert, light and shadow, forest and fire by their opposite locations and contrasting colors) and element of endurance of time To endure the desert and changes with time
It’s like every YT video now. I watch lots of reactions to movies channels and anytime I comment I get one of those accounts responding that looks like the channel name but slightly altered to try and trick me
I really like where you guys are going for in this video analysis! how Kotake and Koume used the statue as way to fool the Gerudo tribe in being their blinded servants loyal to their cause. And these old hags have been doing this for four centuries. I can see bits of a Buddhist origin and ancient Egypt (The Wing sun of Thebes) through the the statue of the Goddess of the Sand as Adult Link But the cobra snake that’s on top of the Goddess’s head, the murals, and the shrine’s fort entrances kinda fits for a independent Gerudo like Nabooru is to bring renewal to her tribe as the Sage of Spirit. When comparing this to ancient Greece, Egypt, indigenous North America, snakes symbolize as fertility, rebirth, renewal and even immortality. Nintendo really has a habit of taking inspiration from our world history and culture to make Hyrule what it is back then and in recent Zelda games today.
@@tommurphy4770 If you considered that a fantasy, then where did LOTR had not been taken inspiration from the real world? For Frollo's case, a soldier comes back from the war, and he had experiences traumatic events and he is forever changed. Author J.R.R Tolkien is also a war veteran during his service in the first World War. So he has taken inspiration from that.
Crazy seeing that sand ship made me think of the gerudo being pirates in Majora's mask. Now I believe o hard somewhere that termina may have been a representation of Hyrule from the view/memory of the skull kid. Considering he had been around since before the Giants went into a long slumber, he would've been around before the oasis dried up and they had waters to sail through.
Not stating the name would fit with Abrahamic religions. The reason why YHVH is called God is because it's basically taboo to depict him in anyway that includes saying the name. YHVH was basically the censoring of the name. I can't speak for Islam since I know little about it, but I assume Allah is much the same concept
Then she would be called that somewhere. Nyru is literaly the only reason the Gerudo can even live in the desert, she directly gave life and nature to them. Without Nyru, the gerudo would of never been able to establish themselves at all.
Just like in real life, I think races in Zelda tend to have different religions that came from the same background. Christians, jews and muslims believe in the same God of Abraham. The goddess of the gerudo might just be their way to worship Hylia, adapted to their own traditions and beliefs. That's also the way I saw the Zonai (before the mess that was Totk), and I'm pretty sure that's how Nintendo saw them as well, before changing it.
@@jordanekl5383 Nayru gave law to the land it was Farore who created all spirits and life which includes the Deku tree , Lord Jabu Jabu and the guardian Deitys of the other races the golden goddesses left the wold and returned to the heavens after creating the triforce which they left in Hylias care who actually protected and fought alongside the ancient races of hyrule
@@blazingunicorns5873 I wasnt talking about the creation of the plannet. We also know for a fact they have physical incarnations in hylian forms at the very least. Catch up with the class before you mansplain yourself into a deeper hole.
Gerudo valley is one of my favorite locations from the Zelda series. And this temple is so beautiful and integral to the region. I hope somehow it comes back in future titles!
I love Zelda theories/lore videos; can't get enough of them! I love that you guys are so detailed in your research, to give weight to what you're theorizing about. Not only does it give me new appreciation for the Zelda games I know and love, but it also gives me some great insight to the games I haven't had the chance to play yet. I've been a subscriber for a long time, I hope you reach your goal very soon; you deserve it! 🎉
Well, now it's clear that the 8th heroine being Link is associate with the events from OoT but mostly, that there's yet a missing clue about the role of the Gerudo in Echoes of Wisdom.
It's also an interesting pairing that you reflect sunlight off of the mirror shield, which originally had a moon symbol on it, onto a sun to solve puzzles. Could the Gerudo be the original dark "yang" to the hylian's light "yin"???
It is much simpler than that. The Moon's light is the Sun's light; it reflects the Sun's rays like a mirror. The Moon acts as a mirror, not just symbolically but physically. A symbol of the Moon can represent a mirror. The game already states that the "dark" counterpart to Hylians is the Sheikah, so that role is already taken. I do wonder if the Gerudo and Sheikah were connected or even the same thing earlier in OoT's development, there seems to be some evidence to suggest so, but the finalized game seems to keep them separate and I have not noticed any lore since that hints at any such connection.
I don't see the Arbiter's Grounds as a replacement for the Desert Colossus. It seems to be more likely that it's just in a different part of the Gerudo Desert (the geographical features of which changing is just a handwavium to show places you're not interested in visiting/don't need to go to). You could even fold some of TOTK lore backwards and across incarnations to make the assumption that the Gerudo were chosen to operate and maintain a prison, appointed by an ancient king as their duty to the royal family, and that prison is the Arbiter's Grounds. Where else to house your worst criminals than in the middle of a desert?
What if it's really just another goddess entity. Like, why not, what's stopping the lore from having more godlike entities? Why is this one supposed to be someone else?
It is never confirmed but what else could have happened? Darunia just walks into the boss room, clearly fails to defeat the dragon (since the dragon remains undefeated when Link arrives), and is just gone... The implication seems obvious. It is a little less obvious with the others but the implication is the same for all of them.
@@elio7610 Darunia does have the most convincing case for that, although I'm not entirely sure what exactly happened. Like you said, most of the sages are left unclear as to what happened, and with Nabooru its more likely that Koume and Kotake didn't kill her, as that wouldn't make sense with what they had in mind. Still, it's plausible either way that the sages are dead or aren't, as we aren't entirely sure what "awakening" as a sage means. There's a video by Zeltik that discusses each case and is really good
If the sages all died, then the shieka should be extinct in the adult timeline as Impa is the last living shieka in OoT, and she doesn't have a child before the end of the story.
@@stigmaoftherose They would probably be extinct anyway, it is not feasible for Impa to restart the Sheikah line alone, especially since she doesn't seem to have any children.
@elio7610 I think it's feasible if she has a male child then that male child has multiple wives at the behest of the royal family in order to bring back the sheika tribe.
I think they are entirely different as breath of the wild shows all the races even have the same interpretation of goddess Hylia as seen with the goddess statues
its sad how there is SOOOOO much lore and back story in the zelda games, but it is not really shown in the games themselves. I was really hoping Tears of the Kingdom would have gone more into specific lore and stuff, but it seems like they always put the lore on the back burner. There is so many interesting lore threads in every game that go unanswered and I doubt they will ever revisit any of them
I suggest players to try this temple using Master Quest in addition of orginal play run. In my opinion, it is the best dangioun to be played in 2 different ways.
The Gerudo symbol also shares some similarities with the Zora symbol - circles inside crescents, except the Gerudo symbol has two and the Zoras’ has three.
I'm confused... I always thought that the goddess of time was Hylia with Nayru being the goddess of wisdom... so wouldn't that make Hylia the goddess of the sand instead?
I had a similar thought when they were making the time connection. Though I personally think Hylia and the Golden Goddesses are different tiers of gods, so even if Hylia is the Goddess of Time by title Nayru could also be associated with it. Hylia controls and oversees time, Nayru created it.
@@fune9281 The proof is in Skyward Sword, Hylia is the goddess associated with the time gates in that game. If I remember correctly, the Sealed Temple was even referred to as the Temple of Hylia in the past...
@@Kibaikasu It's more than just that, after most dungeons Fi delivers a message to Link, which are eventually revealed to be from Hylia herself. And in those messages, Hylia mentions that she is guiding him from "the edge of time." For Hylia to be on the edge of time, she must be able to step outside of it, she must be able to control it. Additionally, it has always been a Zelda, Hylia's descendant, that has been the Sage of Time (OOT, TotK). Heck, even the long lifespan of the Sheikah, a resistance to the ravages of time, could have be a blessing from Hylia. Though I admit that that last one is a stretch for everyone but Skyward Sword Impa.
That's a very interesting theory ! It soundd strange to me at first but the Great Fairy giving Link the power of Nayru next to the Spirit Temple... Yeah, looks pretty solid to me.
Commonwealth, Hylia and the Golden Goddesses aren’t the only deities in the Legend of Zelda franchise. There’s the Wind Fish, Lord Jabu-Jabu, so the Goddess of the Sand is probably a lesser deity than the 4 big ones, but still powerful in her role as protector of the Gerudo people
A lot of this is based on an assumption that the Lanayru Desert is the same as the Gerudo Desert. But in both Twilight Princess and Breath of the Wild Lanayru is a distinct and mostly water-themed region. It's possible that the name Lanayru was simply migrated to a new region (maybe due to the spirit Lanayru moving), but it also seems plausible that the desert became rehydrated to form the later Lanayru region and that the Gerudo desert formed independently. (Though another possibility is that only *part* of the Lanayru desert became rehydrated, and it essentially split into Gerudo desert and the lush Lanayru region).
Say what you want about the spirit temple but I’m thoroughly convinced the design of the thieves fortress is based on a southwestern Pueblo, particularly the cliff dwelling of the ancient Anasazi
Una curiosidad es que si se fijan la entrada está en la entrepierna de la estatua y el primer piso tiene una leve parecido al aparato reproductor femenino!😮
I thought for sure that I heard somewhere that the goddess of the sand was a sage from eons past that helped build the spirit temple? She was like a Gerudo leader so talented that she became a "goddess" or a sage?
My theory is that in Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom, the Spirit Temple may be Gerudo Town. If you overlay the map of OoT on BotW, then the Gerudo Canyon quarry may be the remains of Gerudo Fortress, the waterfall near Digdog Bridge may be the waterfall in OoT Link crosses on Epona when the bridge is torn down, and then the first outcrop that is in OoT the Spirit Temple must be Gerudo Town. And Gerudo Town looks like it was hewn out of a rock, judging from the walls and the water emitting pillar in the palace. Could it be that Spirit Temple, which was also built inside a rock, was destroyed, trying to delete all memories of the Goddess of the Sand or simply using the stones as material for a new temple (the new Spirit Temple pyramid of TotK), just like they did in ancient Egypt with certain gods or pharaos, and that Gerudo Town was built inside its ruins? The overall lay-out is similar, with a central entrance and a left side and right side. It may be a bit far-fetched, but the right side of Gerudo Town seems to be the adult side, because of the noble canteen, the spicy massage at the inn, the love academy and the military training camp, while the left side is quite safe with the goddess statue, Patricia and stuffed animals. Then in the back there is the interior goddess of the sands, which contains the bossroom, which would be Riju's bedroom. I know, I doesn't match up perfectly and the theory is not strongly supported, but I thought it interesting to share it anyway.
There is apparently a pre-release build that has text explicitly stating this statue to be the goddess Din, according to the TCRF website. I know this may not be canon, the text was changed to make it ambiguous, but it seems like an important note for anyone looking for answers. It is also interesting that this goddess is described as "wicked" or "evil" in the Japanese text, especially if it really is one of the three golden goddesses.
Well maybe the wicked and evil part is what she is seen as by the Hylians? Like they drag her name through the dirt (Pun not intended) through the ages since they was in a war against the Gerudo, and clearly hates them? Like they take their version of Din and say it is a wicked and evil goddess, maybe it was the Hylians who gave her the title of "Goddess of the sands" to erase the connection to the golden goddesses, making the Gerudo seem like savages who doesn't worship the "true goddesses". So in OoT, her real identity has been forgotten and that is why the Gerudo call her "Goddess of the sands" as well. Just an idea I have had for years now.
Technically, in the Japanese version the name was never changed. It was "Giant Statue of the Evil God[dess]" in both the pre-release and final versions of the game. "Statue of the God[dess] Din" was actually the name of the dungeon which is now known as the Spirit Temple. The other Adult Link temples had their final names ending in "temple" at this stage of development, so I think "Statue of the God[dess] Din" was actually a Child Link dungeon, probably just a different name for the Child Link section of the spirit temple. This would mean that the name wasn't changed to make the Din association ambiguous but simply because they made both sections/dungeons the "Spirit Temple." I think the "evil" part refers to the statue's evil-looking face. In general, I think the known "names" of the goddess like "a goddess of the sand" or "desert goddess" are just cryptic descriptions of the location. There's also a prayer to Din written in Gerudo text in the pre-release version, so she absolutely has benevolent qualities.
The early script in OoT's 97 Spaceworld overdump says its Evil Goddess Din. Tho that script also says The Sages are Rauru's brothers (earlier in dev they were literal depiction of the 7 Wisemen in ALttP, yet only Rauru kept that design). So hard to say why Nintendo backed out of making that association, but it would explain Nayrus protection against the Evil Goddess!
@@leosnyder5264 That's the oracle Din, not the goddess Din (though going by Din's statue in Wind Waker they even look similar). The Desert Collossus area is called "Giant Statue of the Evil God[dess]" in the Japanese version even in the final product. But the actual dungeon was renamed from "Statue of the Evil God[dess] Din" to "Spirit Temple" later in development. The other adult Link dungeons had their final names at this point, so it was possibly seen as a child Link dungeon at this point in development and changed to "Spirit Temple" when they added the adult Link sections of the dungeon. "Giant Statue of the Evil Goddess" (Navi mentions the evil face), "goddess of the Sand" and "Desert Goddess" are all really just descriptions of the desert colossus location, I don't think any of them are meant to represent the actual goddess. So, I wouldn't read too much into the "evil" part, Din is associated with power and the Gerudo are warriors. There's also Gerudo text from the same stage of development which contains a prayer to Din, asking her for protection, so she's clearly also a protection goddess. That being said, in the 1997 story Nayru actually had talked to Zelda in her dreams, so there's a chance that Din was also meant to have a more direct involvement in the story at this stage.
@@yum2735 Interesting, seems like Link, Zelda and Ganondorf each had a Goddess closely connected to their backstory. (Farore and Wind, Forest Temple in Kokiri Forest once being Wind Temple, etc). You know, I wonder if this idea had any connection with the Triforce Splitting plot-twist, as fans going into OoT knew Ganondorf would get the Triforce, as it was ALttP's backstory. Yet that little plot twist, even if unintentionally, is the reason why Wind Waker became the new sequel to OoT (since Ganon didn't have entire Triforce when sealed like ALttP when trying to break free) and the Downfall timeline (Link being defeated) reversed the effects of OoT's story twist to revert the story back to its original timeline. I've wondered about these things since Oot launched. Lol Cool to finally have these new insights into Oot's development!
Good theory. Some would argue that it is probably a Gerudo interpretation of Hylia... But people also argue that Hylia and Nayru are the same, so... 🤷🤷🤷 Whateves, i think this is a cool theory though 😁
I was really hoping you were gonna mention the old legend that you could get a secret demon sword by breaking the toe on one of the statues. Was that just my friends?
@@virusklaxsosaur4054 Din is by far the worse possible godess for them. And where is any kind of symbolism, placement, or even acknowledgement of Din from the Gerudo?
@@jordanekl5383 but the direction of down is retaliative to the observer. Time always flows non stop, but the hour glass it self can be flipped. The master sword is the Hour glass, while time is the sand. Using the master sword is like flipping the hour glass. Time moves in a different direction, but keeps flowing at the same rate non stop.
@@slimebuck Down as in the direction that gravity is pulling. In this analogy that would mean that time will still flow the same direction no matter how you move anything around it. If you are gonna try to be a smartass, atleast be smart about it. Aside from all that, what you are saying is that the master sword literally holds all time within itself. But it doesnt even reverse the flow of time, rather bridges a gap in time. The reason you move through time in OoT is because of the chamber of the sages, the mastersword is essentially a key into another relm. Its the sword of evils bane, the sealer of demons. Not the Sword of Time or anything like that at all.
Having no Twinrova in Tears of the Kingdom is a missed opportunity. She is very important figure to Ganondorf's character and where his magic came from. She would’ve been either a perfect boss battle for a playable Zelda or better fit for the Spirit Temple’s boss instead of the corrupted Zonai construct Mineru have built. We only get a glimpse of Kotake and Koume in two Tear memories. And their names are written in the Gloom weapons. My hope is Nintendo would bring the surrogate stepmothers of Ganondorf back after their 20 year absent since their last appearance was in Oracle of Ages/Seasons. Maybe in the sequel of Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity.
@@epiclight858 That and the lack of story expansion that would've give this much more lore to the Wild era while connecting the dots to how the Imprisoning War is directly tied to the First Great Calamity and the events of Breath of the Wild. A playable Zelda that sets i the Era of Hyrule's Founding would help the story out since it has been divided into two parts and the Princess herself is more treated as the main character as Link is.
@plooper14 Do you read a fantasy book and complain aboyt it saying "that was just the heros journy"? Cus you seem to be upset about basic story telling. And I think it's quite odd.
For some reason I'm reminded of Sand Rhoman, a history presentation RUclips channel, due to the exploration of international religions. Though, it's not him in the video.
I still like the theory that all the goddesses are some form of super AI from a fallen before skyward sword civilization trying to save life on the planet after an AI uprising. Also that LOZ world is just Earth in the far future.
as I understand it, in the beta story of the game before they finalized it, one of the goddesses was going to be evil and in opposition to the other two. but I believe that one was going to be Din. and I'm pretty sure that statue was labeled to be her.. Or it was labeled Nehru and SHE was the evil one, I forget. but that was, at least at one point, going to be one of the trio. And speaking of, it's a good idea for you to always look up the real pre-localization names of characters if you're going to draw connections based on those names. Not that I think there are mistakes in this specific instance, but
What if Nayru isn't the goddess of time, but simply of history? Like instances of Nayru's involvement of time is the past and present, but not the future. Like the term hindsight is 20/20, looking back at history and seeing the mistakes to not repeat is wisdom
Nayru us no goddess of time because if she was they would have told the guy that was riding the book as in the book she says herself that she cannot outwit the goddess of time
You have a great theory there, but what if the goddess that is depicted in the spirit, Temple is actually a guardian spirit that the Garudo (I probably misspelled it sorry) invented themselves
How would that even be remotely possible? Thats WAAAY too much time inbetween. Couldnt even do that by the time OoT happens. And we know for a fact that BotW is WELL after that.
I think there are huge logical leaps in stating that the Goddess Of Time is Nayru nevermind the Goddess Of Sand. Besides, don't you think that explanation is a bit... Boring. It means there are less Gods after all.
I’m of the belief that the Goddess of time is Hylia, considering Queen Sonia carries her bloodline, and she has time manipulating powers she later on passed onto Zelda. Hylia also ordered the time gates to be made, and most likely ordered to mine the timeshift stones So, domain over both time and light?
are you an ai because after majoras mask how can you mistake nayru for hylia? what deep lore has hylia and nayru as time god? hylia has no other aspects associated am i missing something?
Skyward sword, Hylia is literally Zeldas first incarnation. She literally is the reason all the puzzles exhist in skyward sword, and time stones all played a pivotal role when the twist is revealed. Replay the game. It's small dialogue but it's there. Not to mention Skyward Sword has its own time story with Impa with the plot twist revealing who the old lady is.
Another possible inspiration for the winged Triforce you might have missed are depictions of Ma'at, the Egyptian goddess and personification of justice and truth. A common depiction of her has her arm/wings spread and she has green feathers. It's a feather of her's that is weighted against a person's heart by Anubis to determine if the person can enter the paradise or not in ancient egyptian religion.
I think you are taking a bit too many logic leaps, each time when time is mentioned in the video it makes more sense to associate it with the master sword and the literal goddess of time rather than the goddess of sand. Also Sheik being Zelda should be very aware of the distinction between Nayru, Hylia, the goddess of time and any other god, after all it's kind of her job to know about them so I find it hard to believe she would use a different name for the same goddess specially since chances are Link is not even aware a goddess of sand exists. I can not see the relation you made between the ship, the arbiters grounds and the spirit temple as other than pure guess work since you didn't provide any supporting evidence beyond 'they are in a desert' to support the connection.
Most of these theories are serious stretches. Seriously, Groose as the Ancestor to the Gerudo? I don't buy that. And there is no good reason to believe the Sages from OoT are dead.
It is quite obviously implied that the six sages, who each give Link a medallion, died before being "awakened" as sages, especially since they never really return afterwards other than in a very supernatural type of way.
@@elio7610 No, it is not implied that they died. When a Sage dies, they aren't a Sage anymore. Like with the Sages from Twilight Princess. If the Sages are dead; then they would need replaced.
@@joesunday199 The sages in Twilight Princess look even more like ghosts. You could argue that it is not possible to kill a ghost but the Zelda series itself frequently depicts various undead entities, including ghosts, as being killable by Link's own hand. The exact rules as to how it all works is not clear. Using Twilight Princess as evidence for how things worked in OoT is a weak argument anyway, there is no certainty that the two games follow the same rules.
@@elio7610 They appear to be more like beings of Light than Ghosts. At any rate; nothing about their dialogue ever hinted at them dying. Why would there even be new Sages if the Dead can just maintain their roles?
@@joesunday199 I don't know, the whole sage thing never made any sense to me. Why are they even sages? How did they actually become sages? They just seem to suddenly gain powers after failing at their attempts to fight the monsters in the temples. I don't really have any ideas to explain that. It just really seems like they died before becoming sages, it seems like the logical and thematic conclusion. I don't see any logical way that they could have become sages whether they died or not and stuff like ghosts exist in this fictional universe anyway so dying doesn't necessarily prevent them from becoming sages and we never see them return to the way they were living before so it seems entirely possible they became something like ghosts.
@@aaronbarcelo7917 I enjoyed Zelda for about 15 years. I don't know what's your point. You're just accepting everything Nintendo pours down your throat. You will not be rewarded by Nintendo for being their little pet. Maybe instead of telling people to play your fortnite, maybe you should change your horrible pfp.
@dice5709 To what? Some lame weeby pfp? 20 bucks says you're not even 15yrs old. I'm as old as Zelda itself, and have enjoyed it for about 37 years. Go play Minecraft, kid.
I lost interest in Zelda when I played botw. It was the exact opposite of what I want from a Zelda game. I don't want to have to use random weapons and avoid combat. I don't want a huge empty map. I want dungeons and not just puzzle rooms.
Who do you think The Goddess of the Sand is?
Genuinely? I think there were other gods before Hylia, either that or she wasn't alone, until she made it so.
I think Hylia slaughtered the other gods that have been either outright mentioned or vaguely referenced on the sidelines to make way for her own perfect world, then the 3 Golden Goddeses restored order and forced Hylia into a mortal form for her crimes.
Hylia let Demise start the cycle so she could forever be reborn and have some element of control over the world she created, in one way or another.
As someone who ascribes to the idea that TotK is simultaneously at the end and beginning of the Zelda timeline… I think the goddess of the sand can retroactively be Sonia from TotK 🤔
You gave some compelling arguments for it to be Nayru, and maybe it was originally meant to be Nayru.
But using Skyward Sword to support your arguments and drawing a connection to Time makes me think it might now be Hylia.
Ever since Skyward Sword, I have viewed Hylia as being the Goddess of Time more so than Nayru. In Skyward Sword Fi delivers numerous messages to Link, which are eventually reviled to be from Hylia herself. In most of those messages Hylia mentions that she is guiding him from "the edge of time." For Hylia to be on the edge of time she must be able to step outside of it, she must be able to control it. That itself is is a clear indication that time is Hylia's domain, and add to that the fact that it has always been a Zelda, Hylia's desendent, that have been the Sage of Time (OOT, TotK) and I think there is a strong case that Hylia is the Goddess of Time.
That said, I think there are different tiers of gods in LoZ, at least two. The Golden Goddesses would be the highest level of gods, you could call them multiversal gods or true gods, beings capable of making entire realities and objects so powerful that even lesser gods fight over them. Next level down would be gods like Hylia and Demise (even if you don't want to label him as a god he was on an equivalent power level), universal gods. They are beings of immense power, but ones constrained to one or few realities, and capable of being surmounted. If you want to stretch it you could also count strong spirits like Jabu-Jabu, the Great Deku Tree, and Valoo as something like regional gods. Though from my limited understanding of Japanese mythology the line between god and spirit is blurry, so it might not be a huge stretch.
Anyway, that is a long way of saying that the Goddess of the Sand could still be Nayru, as I see it all things are within the domain of the Golden Goddesses, even if Hylia is Goddess of Time.
a waifu
Hylia, the *actual* goddess of time.
Link with the silver gauntlets, The mirror shield, and the goron tunic, was my favorite look in the game. All silver and crimson.
Same!
The drip was unparalleled
Then the Zoro tunic the hover boots wit the gold gauntlet 💦💦💦
"Goddess of sand? More like demon to me!" - Anakin
You just had to show that hookshot clip, eh? lol
My thoughts exactly lol
I haven't watched yet, But is it the nip?
Pretty sure that's the only catch point you can hookshot on the statue, ironically lol😂
It is necessary.
Been thinking about Nayru a lot as a goddess revered in a different land for a hypothetical Zelda sequel....seeing her theorized connections to the Spirit Temple and the Gerudo is pretty cool.
I didn’t know the dragonfly was the inspiration for the gerudo crest (v1.1), the interesting thing is that dragonflies are usually found near clean water. Lots of flow of water/sand/time analogies. I think this makes sense because if you can measure time you can predict future cataclysms. This is something that all human cultures can relate to in order to overcome nomadic life and have agricultural success to support a population. I like the real cultures connections you make in this vid 👍
I think there’s another theory that the new symbol is inspiration from the markings of the back of a King Cobra
@@randaltd well that is a valid point. The colossus herself but my first thought was cobra imagery in the desert palace of alttp, but that gets complicated since the gerudo weren’t around yet irl but yet they were canonically since oot immediately precedes alttp. But then the gerudo dragonfly of SS kind of hints the gerudo tribe already exists. I’ve never really thought about the timeline from the gerudos perspective, but it is an interesting one lol
@@ChrisHoulihan The sand men enemies that pop out of the desert sand (the ones with the flailing hands, not leevers) in ALttP were actually called Gerudo.
@@elio7610 I know the English localized manual says “geldman”, but you sent me down a rabbit hole of finding the original Japanese manual and player guides (🙏ty). They are listed as ゲルドマン, or gerudoman. It looks like they combined the main villain, the thieves, and the desert boogeyman together for oot. Up until oot, ganon was based on Zhu Bajie, a mythological half pig half man being banished from heaven and reincarnated on earth.
I like to think the dragonfly also plays into the fact that Ganondorf covets the kingdom of Hyrule and its resources. It represents what the Gerudo will never have for themselves.
Damn, these p*rn bots are relentless, phenomenal vid though, I always wished they expanded more on the Gerudo lore in OoT especially in terms of the purpose of the Spirit Temple itself.
Same goes with TOTK and BOTW continuity. I wish they expanded more of the Gerudo lore since the Divine Beast Vah Naboris is confirmed to be named after the Ancient Sage of Lightning and the late Gerudo Chief Urbosa is fully aware that the Calamity is indeed created by their formal king Ganondorf. The Gerudo in the Era of Hyrule’s Founding may of lived in a militaristic and barbaric ways before being a part of Hyrule’s kingdom community.
Be honest, how ever much lore they went into it would never be enough for you. Some things are better left ambiguous or vague so that people like you can speculate on different theories and is probably intentional for that reason. Be pretty boring and unsatisfying if every detail was explained
My theory that it’s both the element of balance (water and desert, light and shadow, forest and fire by their opposite locations and contrasting colors) and element of endurance of time To endure the desert and changes with time
@@a.jthomas6132 Agreed!! They are my favourite tribe in BotW
It’s like every YT video now. I watch lots of reactions to movies channels and anytime I comment I get one of those accounts responding that looks like the channel name but slightly altered to try and trick me
I really like where you guys are going for in this video analysis! how Kotake and Koume used the statue as way to fool the Gerudo tribe in being their blinded servants loyal to their cause. And these old hags have been doing this for four centuries.
I can see bits of a Buddhist origin and ancient Egypt (The Wing sun of Thebes) through the the statue of the Goddess of the Sand as Adult Link
But the cobra snake that’s on top of the Goddess’s head, the murals, and the shrine’s fort entrances kinda fits for a independent Gerudo like Nabooru is to bring renewal to her tribe as the Sage of Spirit. When comparing this to ancient Greece, Egypt, indigenous North America, snakes symbolize as fertility, rebirth, renewal and even immortality.
Nintendo really has a habit of taking inspiration from our world history and culture to make Hyrule what it is back then and in recent Zelda games today.
That’s just fantasy for you, take inspiration from real world and mould it into a thematically similar but fantastical race
@@tommurphy4770 If you considered that a fantasy, then where did LOTR had not been taken inspiration from the real world? For Frollo's case, a soldier comes back from the war, and he had experiences traumatic events and he is forever changed. Author J.R.R Tolkien is also a war veteran during his service in the first World War. So he has taken inspiration from that.
Crazy seeing that sand ship made me think of the gerudo being pirates in Majora's mask. Now I believe o hard somewhere that termina may have been a representation of Hyrule from the view/memory of the skull kid. Considering he had been around since before the Giants went into a long slumber, he would've been around before the oasis dried up and they had waters to sail through.
Not stating the name would fit with Abrahamic religions. The reason why YHVH is called God is because it's basically taboo to depict him in anyway that includes saying the name. YHVH was basically the censoring of the name. I can't speak for Islam since I know little about it, but I assume Allah is much the same concept
She may be the Mother Of The Gerudo like how the Great Deku tree is father of the Kokiri the 1st Gerudo
Then she would be called that somewhere. Nyru is literaly the only reason the Gerudo can even live in the desert, she directly gave life and nature to them. Without Nyru, the gerudo would of never been able to establish themselves at all.
Just like in real life, I think races in Zelda tend to have different religions that came from the same background. Christians, jews and muslims believe in the same God of Abraham. The goddess of the gerudo might just be their way to worship Hylia, adapted to their own traditions and beliefs. That's also the way I saw the Zonai (before the mess that was Totk), and I'm pretty sure that's how Nintendo saw them as well, before changing it.
@@jordanekl5383 Nayru gave law to the land it was Farore who created all spirits and life which includes the Deku tree , Lord Jabu Jabu and the guardian Deitys of the other races the golden goddesses left the wold and returned to the heavens after creating the triforce which they left in Hylias care who actually protected and fought alongside the ancient races of hyrule
@@blazingunicorns5873 I wasnt talking about the creation of the plannet. We also know for a fact they have physical incarnations in hylian forms at the very least. Catch up with the class before you mansplain yourself into a deeper hole.
@@braziliantsar I dont think you quite understand how religeons branch off of eachother...
OOT>BotW/TotK
Lol. Most Zelda games > Totk
Gerudo valley is one of my favorite locations from the Zelda series. And this temple is so beautiful and integral to the region. I hope somehow it comes back in future titles!
I love Zelda theories/lore videos; can't get enough of them! I love that you guys are so detailed in your research, to give weight to what you're theorizing about. Not only does it give me new appreciation for the Zelda games I know and love, but it also gives me some great insight to the games I haven't had the chance to play yet. I've been a subscriber for a long time, I hope you reach your goal very soon; you deserve it! 🎉
Well, now it's clear that the 8th heroine being Link is associate with the events from OoT but mostly, that there's yet a missing clue about the role of the Gerudo in Echoes of Wisdom.
It's also an interesting pairing that you reflect sunlight off of the mirror shield, which originally had a moon symbol on it, onto a sun to solve puzzles. Could the Gerudo be the original dark "yang" to the hylian's light "yin"???
It is much simpler than that. The Moon's light is the Sun's light; it reflects the Sun's rays like a mirror. The Moon acts as a mirror, not just symbolically but physically. A symbol of the Moon can represent a mirror.
The game already states that the "dark" counterpart to Hylians is the Sheikah, so that role is already taken. I do wonder if the Gerudo and Sheikah were connected or even the same thing earlier in OoT's development, there seems to be some evidence to suggest so, but the finalized game seems to keep them separate and I have not noticed any lore since that hints at any such connection.
I don't see the Arbiter's Grounds as a replacement for the Desert Colossus. It seems to be more likely that it's just in a different part of the Gerudo Desert (the geographical features of which changing is just a handwavium to show places you're not interested in visiting/don't need to go to). You could even fold some of TOTK lore backwards and across incarnations to make the assumption that the Gerudo were chosen to operate and maintain a prison, appointed by an ancient king as their duty to the royal family, and that prison is the Arbiter's Grounds. Where else to house your worst criminals than in the middle of a desert?
What if it's really just another goddess entity. Like, why not, what's stopping the lore from having more godlike entities? Why is this one supposed to be someone else?
I've never bought into the theory that the OoT sages are dead, but the rest of this is pretty compelling!
It is never confirmed but what else could have happened? Darunia just walks into the boss room, clearly fails to defeat the dragon (since the dragon remains undefeated when Link arrives), and is just gone... The implication seems obvious. It is a little less obvious with the others but the implication is the same for all of them.
@@elio7610 Darunia does have the most convincing case for that, although I'm not entirely sure what exactly happened. Like you said, most of the sages are left unclear as to what happened, and with Nabooru its more likely that Koume and Kotake didn't kill her, as that wouldn't make sense with what they had in mind. Still, it's plausible either way that the sages are dead or aren't, as we aren't entirely sure what "awakening" as a sage means. There's a video by Zeltik that discusses each case and is really good
If the sages all died, then the shieka should be extinct in the adult timeline as Impa is the last living shieka in OoT, and she doesn't have a child before the end of the story.
@@stigmaoftherose They would probably be extinct anyway, it is not feasible for Impa to restart the Sheikah line alone, especially since she doesn't seem to have any children.
@elio7610 I think it's feasible if she has a male child then that male child has multiple wives at the behest of the royal family in order to bring back the sheika tribe.
Great video! Love seeing new takes on old material. More like this please!
I think they are entirely different as breath of the wild shows all the races even have the same interpretation of goddess Hylia as seen with the goddess statues
its sad how there is SOOOOO much lore and back story in the zelda games, but it is not really shown in the games themselves. I was really hoping Tears of the Kingdom would have gone more into specific lore and stuff, but it seems like they always put the lore on the back burner. There is so many interesting lore threads in every game that go unanswered and I doubt they will ever revisit any of them
I suggest players to try this temple using Master Quest in addition of orginal play run. In my opinion, it is the best dangioun to be played in 2 different ways.
The Gerudo symbol also shares some similarities with the Zora symbol - circles inside crescents, except the Gerudo symbol has two and the Zoras’ has three.
That's also the difference between Baymax and Brainiac. 🗿
I'm confused... I always thought that the goddess of time was Hylia with Nayru being the goddess of wisdom... so wouldn't that make Hylia the goddess of the sand instead?
I had a similar thought when they were making the time connection. Though I personally think Hylia and the Golden Goddesses are different tiers of gods, so even if Hylia is the Goddess of Time by title Nayru could also be associated with it. Hylia controls and oversees time, Nayru created it.
This is the first time I'm hearing the idea that the Goddess Of Time is Hylia. I'd be curious to learn about that theory's origins.
@@fune9281 The proof is in Skyward Sword, Hylia is the goddess associated with the time gates in that game. If I remember correctly, the Sealed Temple was even referred to as the Temple of Hylia in the past...
@@Kibaikasu It's more than just that, after most dungeons Fi delivers a message to Link, which are eventually revealed to be from Hylia herself. And in those messages, Hylia mentions that she is guiding him from "the edge of time." For Hylia to be on the edge of time, she must be able to step outside of it, she must be able to control it. Additionally, it has always been a Zelda, Hylia's descendant, that has been the Sage of Time (OOT, TotK). Heck, even the long lifespan of the Sheikah, a resistance to the ravages of time, could have be a blessing from Hylia. Though I admit that that last one is a stretch for everyone but Skyward Sword Impa.
Interesting theory and I like how the thumbnail has "The Goddess of Sand" in Gerudo script.
That's a very interesting theory ! It soundd strange to me at first but the Great Fairy giving Link the power of Nayru next to the Spirit Temple... Yeah, looks pretty solid to me.
The gerudo's crest is a cobra's back, not bug eyes. There's nothing bug-related about the gerudo.
What about the Gerudo dragonfly? Its name predates the Gerudo people.
@@dominicmoras4283 I think they mean the remade version initially was designed as a cobra. But then Retcon'd in Skyward Sword
Actually the crest is supposed to be depicting a Gerudo's chest, not a cobra's back.
Commonwealth, Hylia and the Golden Goddesses aren’t the only deities in the Legend of Zelda franchise. There’s the Wind Fish, Lord Jabu-Jabu, so the Goddess of the Sand is probably a lesser deity than the 4 big ones, but still powerful in her role as protector of the Gerudo people
A lot of this is based on an assumption that the Lanayru Desert is the same as the Gerudo Desert. But in both Twilight Princess and Breath of the Wild Lanayru is a distinct and mostly water-themed region. It's possible that the name Lanayru was simply migrated to a new region (maybe due to the spirit Lanayru moving), but it also seems plausible that the desert became rehydrated to form the later Lanayru region and that the Gerudo desert formed independently. (Though another possibility is that only *part* of the Lanayru desert became rehydrated, and it essentially split into Gerudo desert and the lush Lanayru region).
I wish there was an anime for OOT. And so on. It's the best game of all time as a 35 year old.
Say what you want about the spirit temple but I’m thoroughly convinced the design of the thieves fortress is based on a southwestern Pueblo, particularly the cliff dwelling of the ancient Anasazi
Una curiosidad es que si se fijan la entrada está en la entrepierna de la estatua y el primer piso tiene una leve parecido al aparato reproductor femenino!😮
I thought for sure that I heard somewhere that the goddess of the sand was a sage from eons past that helped build the spirit temple? She was like a Gerudo leader so talented that she became a "goddess" or a sage?
This game is so good. The ending made me sad though. Nobody knows link saved hyrule and he has to go back to being a kid.
Nah. Goddess of the Sand is still an independant deity in my book. I like big pantheons, not limited ones.
Same
My theory is that in Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom, the Spirit Temple may be Gerudo Town. If you overlay the map of OoT on BotW, then the Gerudo Canyon quarry may be the remains of Gerudo Fortress, the waterfall near Digdog Bridge may be the waterfall in OoT Link crosses on Epona when the bridge is torn down, and then the first outcrop that is in OoT the Spirit Temple must be Gerudo Town. And Gerudo Town looks like it was hewn out of a rock, judging from the walls and the water emitting pillar in the palace. Could it be that Spirit Temple, which was also built inside a rock, was destroyed, trying to delete all memories of the Goddess of the Sand or simply using the stones as material for a new temple (the new Spirit Temple pyramid of TotK), just like they did in ancient Egypt with certain gods or pharaos, and that Gerudo Town was built inside its ruins? The overall lay-out is similar, with a central entrance and a left side and right side. It may be a bit far-fetched, but the right side of Gerudo Town seems to be the adult side, because of the noble canteen, the spicy massage at the inn, the love academy and the military training camp, while the left side is quite safe with the goddess statue, Patricia and stuffed animals. Then in the back there is the interior goddess of the sands, which contains the bossroom, which would be Riju's bedroom. I know, I doesn't match up perfectly and the theory is not strongly supported, but I thought it interesting to share it anyway.
There is apparently a pre-release build that has text explicitly stating this statue to be the goddess Din, according to the TCRF website. I know this may not be canon, the text was changed to make it ambiguous, but it seems like an important note for anyone looking for answers. It is also interesting that this goddess is described as "wicked" or "evil" in the Japanese text, especially if it really is one of the three golden goddesses.
Well maybe the wicked and evil part is what she is seen as by the Hylians? Like they drag her name through the dirt (Pun not intended) through the ages since they was in a war against the Gerudo, and clearly hates them? Like they take their version of Din and say it is a wicked and evil goddess, maybe it was the Hylians who gave her the title of "Goddess of the sands" to erase the connection to the golden goddesses, making the Gerudo seem like savages who doesn't worship the "true goddesses". So in OoT, her real identity has been forgotten and that is why the Gerudo call her "Goddess of the sands" as well. Just an idea I have had for years now.
Technically, in the Japanese version the name was never changed. It was "Giant Statue of the Evil God[dess]" in both the pre-release and final versions of the game. "Statue of the God[dess] Din" was actually the name of the dungeon which is now known as the Spirit Temple. The other Adult Link temples had their final names ending in "temple" at this stage of development, so I think "Statue of the God[dess] Din" was actually a Child Link dungeon, probably just a different name for the Child Link section of the spirit temple. This would mean that the name wasn't changed to make the Din association ambiguous but simply because they made both sections/dungeons the "Spirit Temple." I think the "evil" part refers to the statue's evil-looking face. In general, I think the known "names" of the goddess like "a goddess of the sand" or "desert goddess" are just cryptic descriptions of the location. There's also a prayer to Din written in Gerudo text in the pre-release version, so she absolutely has benevolent qualities.
The early script in OoT's 97 Spaceworld overdump says its Evil Goddess Din. Tho that script also says The Sages are Rauru's brothers (earlier in dev they were literal depiction of the 7 Wisemen in ALttP, yet only Rauru kept that design). So hard to say why Nintendo backed out of making that association, but it would explain Nayrus protection against the Evil Goddess!
But we saw din in ages she not evil
@@leosnyder5264 That's the oracle Din, not the goddess Din (though going by Din's statue in Wind Waker they even look similar). The Desert Collossus area is called "Giant Statue of the Evil God[dess]" in the Japanese version even in the final product. But the actual dungeon was renamed from "Statue of the Evil God[dess] Din" to "Spirit Temple" later in development. The other adult Link dungeons had their final names at this point, so it was possibly seen as a child Link dungeon at this point in development and changed to "Spirit Temple" when they added the adult Link sections of the dungeon. "Giant Statue of the Evil Goddess" (Navi mentions the evil face), "goddess of the Sand" and "Desert Goddess" are all really just descriptions of the desert colossus location, I don't think any of them are meant to represent the actual goddess. So, I wouldn't read too much into the "evil" part, Din is associated with power and the Gerudo are warriors. There's also Gerudo text from the same stage of development which contains a prayer to Din, asking her for protection, so she's clearly also a protection goddess. That being said, in the 1997 story Nayru actually had talked to Zelda in her dreams, so there's a chance that Din was also meant to have a more direct involvement in the story at this stage.
@@yum2735 Interesting, seems like Link, Zelda and Ganondorf each had a Goddess closely connected to their backstory. (Farore and Wind, Forest Temple in Kokiri Forest once being Wind Temple, etc).
You know, I wonder if this idea had any connection with the Triforce Splitting plot-twist, as fans going into OoT knew Ganondorf would get the Triforce, as it was ALttP's backstory. Yet that little plot twist, even if unintentionally, is the reason why Wind Waker became the new sequel to OoT (since Ganon didn't have entire Triforce when sealed like ALttP when trying to break free) and the Downfall timeline (Link being defeated) reversed the effects of OoT's story twist to revert the story back to its original timeline.
I've wondered about these things since Oot launched. Lol Cool to finally have these new insights into Oot's development!
Awesome Video Bro!
Good theory. Some would argue that it is probably a Gerudo interpretation of Hylia... But people also argue that Hylia and Nayru are the same, so... 🤷🤷🤷 Whateves, i think this is a cool theory though 😁
I was really hoping you were gonna mention the old legend that you could get a secret demon sword by breaking the toe on one of the statues. Was that just my friends?
Yeah, to me, the biggest mystery is what happened with Lord Jabu Jabu in the future and the ice dungeon there. I felt it incomplete.
Gigaleak text says it's Din.
Honestly i always thought it was supposed to be din or atleast the gerudo's version of her
@@virusklaxsosaur4054 Din is by far the worse possible godess for them. And where is any kind of symbolism, placement, or even acknowledgement of Din from the Gerudo?
Gigaleak stuff doesn't necessarily apply to the final storyline of the game.
A story for another today
-the Storyteller reviewing Groundhog Day
Sand, can flow back and forth by turning the hourglass around.
The sand only flows one direction. Down.
@@jordanekl5383 but the direction of down is retaliative to the observer. Time always flows non stop, but the hour glass it self can be flipped. The master sword is the Hour glass, while time is the sand. Using the master sword is like flipping the hour glass. Time moves in a different direction, but keeps flowing at the same rate non stop.
@@slimebuck Down as in the direction that gravity is pulling. In this analogy that would mean that time will still flow the same direction no matter how you move anything around it.
If you are gonna try to be a smartass, atleast be smart about it.
Aside from all that, what you are saying is that the master sword literally holds all time within itself. But it doesnt even reverse the flow of time, rather bridges a gap in time. The reason you move through time in OoT is because of the chamber of the sages, the mastersword is essentially a key into another relm.
Its the sword of evils bane, the sealer of demons. Not the Sword of Time or anything like that at all.
Having no Twinrova in Tears of the Kingdom is a missed opportunity. She is very important figure to Ganondorf's character and where his magic came from.
She would’ve been either a perfect boss battle for a playable Zelda or better fit for the Spirit Temple’s boss instead of the corrupted Zonai construct Mineru have built.
We only get a glimpse of Kotake and Koume in two Tear memories. And their names are written in the Gloom weapons.
My hope is Nintendo would bring the surrogate stepmothers of Ganondorf back after their 20 year absent since their last appearance was in Oracle of Ages/Seasons. Maybe in the sequel of Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity.
ToTK suffered from the lack of bosses.
@@epiclight858 That and the lack of story expansion that would've give this much more lore to the Wild era while connecting the dots to how the Imprisoning War is directly tied to the First Great Calamity and the events of Breath of the Wild.
A playable Zelda that sets i the Era of Hyrule's Founding would help the story out since it has been divided into two parts and the Princess herself is more treated as the main character as Link is.
I would rather they not rehash old stuff and give us something new to go off, we need to move forwards.
@@jordanekl5383there wasn’t really anything new in tears, it was a another retread of the imprisoning war story
@plooper14 Do you read a fantasy book and complain aboyt it saying "that was just the heros journy"?
Cus you seem to be upset about basic story telling. And I think it's quite odd.
Who's the second voice in this video?
For some reason I'm reminded of Sand Rhoman, a history presentation RUclips channel,
due to the exploration of international religions.
Though, it's not him in the video.
It's important to note that the creator trinity aren't the only gods... just the three creator gods who did their job and left forever.
I still like the theory that all the goddesses are some form of super AI from a fallen before skyward sword civilization trying to save life on the planet after an AI uprising. Also that LOZ world is just Earth in the far future.
Proper remake PLEASE!!!!!
Cultures "west of japan"
Well, if you're going by a traditional map, that's the whole goddamn planet
as I understand it, in the beta story of the game before they finalized it, one of the goddesses was going to be evil and in opposition to the other two. but I believe that one was going to be Din. and I'm pretty sure that statue was labeled to be her.. Or it was labeled Nehru and SHE was the evil one, I forget. but that was, at least at one point, going to be one of the trio.
And speaking of, it's a good idea for you to always look up the real pre-localization names of characters if you're going to draw connections based on those names. Not that I think there are mistakes in this specific instance, but
What if Nayru isn't the goddess of time, but simply of history? Like instances of Nayru's involvement of time is the past and present, but not the future. Like the term hindsight is 20/20, looking back at history and seeing the mistakes to not repeat is wisdom
Nayru us no goddess of time because if she was they would have told the guy that was riding the book as in the book she says herself that she cannot outwit the goddess of time
You have a great theory there, but what if the goddess that is depicted in the spirit, Temple is actually a guardian spirit that the Garudo (I probably misspelled it sorry) invented themselves
Doesn't somewhere in the game say that that statue is depicting an evil diety? Or was in one of the books? But still
I think an interpretation of the Goddess Hylia
Eh, don't know about this one. The pre-Nabooru fight cutscene always makes me laugh, though.
I don’t remember producing this
i like it. adds up nicely.
I love these style videos
I wish there was some evidence of the era of skyward sword in the desert found in the era of the wild
How would that even be remotely possible?
Thats WAAAY too much time inbetween. Couldnt even do that by the time OoT happens. And we know for a fact that BotW is WELL after that.
Sands of time- a good game. Anyone else think they were talking about MCC? Lol
Great video
So is the new one legendary frog?
I think there are huge logical leaps in stating that the Goddess Of Time is Nayru nevermind the Goddess Of Sand. Besides, don't you think that explanation is a bit... Boring. It means there are less Gods after all.
Nayru id not goddess of time because if she was she wouldn't be using the quote I can't outwit the goddess of time
I’m of the belief that the Goddess of time is Hylia, considering Queen Sonia carries her bloodline, and she has time manipulating powers she later on passed onto Zelda.
Hylia also ordered the time gates to be made, and most likely ordered to mine the timeshift stones
So, domain over both time and light?
whats the name of the fan animations you show here of a child age gannondorf??? i need to see this!
I jst thought the statues were twinrova
if i remember in the original script it was Din
"Hence why..." 😢
I'm fairly certain Hylia herself was the goddess of time.
are you an ai because after majoras mask how can you mistake nayru for hylia? what deep lore has hylia and nayru as time god? hylia has no other aspects associated am i missing something?
Skyward sword, Hylia is literally Zeldas first incarnation. She literally is the reason all the puzzles exhist in skyward sword, and time stones all played a pivotal role when the twist is revealed.
Replay the game. It's small dialogue but it's there. Not to mention Skyward Sword has its own time story with Impa with the plot twist revealing who the old lady is.
@@watertommyz yeah i did a ton of researc hafter basically, everyone is the goddess of time now and it none of it makes asny sense
Ganons mom
I think the Goddess of the Sand is actually Hylia.
Great video, but stick with your voice over. There’s too much AI content out there, and your voice sounds good
Good job everyone
Love it
Another possible inspiration for the winged Triforce you might have missed are depictions of Ma'at, the Egyptian goddess and personification of justice and truth. A common depiction of her has her arm/wings spread and she has green feathers. It's a feather of her's that is weighted against a person's heart by Anubis to determine if the person can enter the paradise or not in ancient egyptian religion.
Sands of Time, a good game. 😂😂
literally no one asked for this and yet....
I swear if anybody says "zonai"...
Zonai
Who is the other voice?
I think you are taking a bit too many logic leaps, each time when time is mentioned in the video it makes more sense to associate it with the master sword and the literal goddess of time rather than the goddess of sand. Also Sheik being Zelda should be very aware of the distinction between Nayru, Hylia, the goddess of time and any other god, after all it's kind of her job to know about them so I find it hard to believe she would use a different name for the same goddess specially since chances are Link is not even aware a goddess of sand exists. I can not see the relation you made between the ship, the arbiters grounds and the spirit temple as other than pure guess work since you didn't provide any supporting evidence beyond 'they are in a desert' to support the connection.
Spoilers for Sheik!!!!
Most of these theories are serious stretches. Seriously, Groose as the Ancestor to the Gerudo? I don't buy that. And there is no good reason to believe the Sages from OoT are dead.
It is quite obviously implied that the six sages, who each give Link a medallion, died before being "awakened" as sages, especially since they never really return afterwards other than in a very supernatural type of way.
@@elio7610 No, it is not implied that they died. When a Sage dies, they aren't a Sage anymore. Like with the Sages from Twilight Princess. If the Sages are dead; then they would need replaced.
@@joesunday199 The sages in Twilight Princess look even more like ghosts. You could argue that it is not possible to kill a ghost but the Zelda series itself frequently depicts various undead entities, including ghosts, as being killable by Link's own hand. The exact rules as to how it all works is not clear. Using Twilight Princess as evidence for how things worked in OoT is a weak argument anyway, there is no certainty that the two games follow the same rules.
@@elio7610 They appear to be more like beings of Light than Ghosts. At any rate; nothing about their dialogue ever hinted at them dying. Why would there even be new Sages if the Dead can just maintain their roles?
@@joesunday199 I don't know, the whole sage thing never made any sense to me. Why are they even sages? How did they actually become sages? They just seem to suddenly gain powers after failing at their attempts to fight the monsters in the temples. I don't really have any ideas to explain that. It just really seems like they died before becoming sages, it seems like the logical and thematic conclusion. I don't see any logical way that they could have become sages whether they died or not and stuff like ghosts exist in this fictional universe anyway so dying doesn't necessarily prevent them from becoming sages and we never see them return to the way they were living before so it seems entirely possible they became something like ghosts.
Dumb theory
I feel like people lost interest in Zelda after totk.
Yeah a $70 dlc game that runs in 20fps and took 5 years to come out to nothing will do that
Zelda is for life kid. You don't just lose interest in Zelda. Go play Fortnite.
@@aaronbarcelo7917 I enjoyed Zelda for about 15 years. I don't know what's your point. You're just accepting everything Nintendo pours down your throat. You will not be rewarded by Nintendo for being their little pet. Maybe instead of telling people to play your fortnite, maybe you should change your horrible pfp.
@dice5709 To what? Some lame weeby pfp?
20 bucks says you're not even 15yrs old.
I'm as old as Zelda itself, and have enjoyed it for about 37 years.
Go play Minecraft, kid.
I lost interest in Zelda when I played botw. It was the exact opposite of what I want from a Zelda game. I don't want to have to use random weapons and avoid combat. I don't want a huge empty map. I want dungeons and not just puzzle rooms.
Who's grandpa is talking about video games
Just awful
This is not an ancient hieroglyph. You can just ask the game designers what it means instead of making up your own inferences.