@@Thecozy1 When connecting the Sonic 3 cartridge to Sonic and Knuckles it combines the two games into Sonic 3K which i'm sure you know also replaces the Sonic 3 Miniboss theme (this one) with the Sonic and Knuckles Miniboss theme.
One of the most ambitious pieces from the 16bit era period I think. It's full of crazy tricks to push past the sound chips limitations, like the little super high frequency sat above the kick to give it more punch.
Have you ever played Sonic 3 & Knuckles? Sadly, it uses Sonic & Knuckles themes for everything, and the standalone Sonic 3 themes might be considered non-canon.
@@majorse000 bruh what? What is the purpose on a song being canon? Most of the songs are non-canon because the characters doesn't even hear it. Also, i don't care if it's canon or not, being thankful that this song was included in the first game
I still think this song fits the Carnival Night's mini boss the best. A crazy machine trying to take you out as you're descending deeper into the carnival itself...
There is just too much funky soul in this track. MJ really didn't have to do much did he? The kicks in Knux's drums.... this game came out out the right time it did man. You don't hear stuff like this anymore.
@@rassilontdavros3004 they did have a varied music team for sonic 3, i'd say this is definitely one of the more "mj crew"-driven tracks. there's expertise in there, just pointed in a different direction than most genesis games (something that's common in the sonic 3 soundtrack)
When it comes to the DAC this is the most complex track out of all of the genisis games. Not only did it use tons and tons of samples it also needed another channel just to fit it all of it
Sources of the samples on the DAC track: Track 64 of Skip To My Loops by Norman Cook Say it Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud by James Brown Credits to the people at Sonic Retro for identifying these.
Yeah, there was a collab but due to the dirt he had, Sega dropped him and reworked most of the soundtrack , save for the sound but and some inclusions, mostly in the ice zones
Ice Cap may be Brad Buxer's magnum opus and my favorite Sonic track...but good lord, this one comes close! The DAC is the catchiest thing ever. I could listen to it isolated all day.
I´m not sure if MJ composed other muisic levels, but I'm almost 100% sure that he composed this one, Is so weird the amount of samples that it has, also how the psg channel is used for the main melody, and It is the only song that isn't playing when you play with the sonic and knuckles lock on
What is most likely is that he composed all the music that was different in the prototype/PC version (Carnival Night, Ice Cap*, Knuckles's Theme, this music and the credits)
It was my ringtone in 6th grade. I think I changed it when some guys at school made fun of me for it but now I'd not be ashamed of using it. It slaps way too hard
HOOOO! The hottest track on RUclips tonight! I'm ushering in the new year with this. On a sleepy graveyard shift doing paperwork, and this right chere is keeping me awake. The beat, the shouts, and it's dripping in ooey gooey, delicious, head-bopping, foot-tapping, almost tear-jerking nostalgia. Hell yeah. ❤️❤️❤️
when i was 4yo, i would go to Ice Cap zone and quickly get to the miniboss to listen to this. Ice Cap has the only miniboss in the game with blindzones that allow you to stand in one place and do nothing indefinitely so i would do just that, relax and vibe to this...well, at least until i was about to run out of time
I could go on all day about Channel 0 and DAC, and everybody has already. But what I've noticed here is that Channel 2 and PSG 0 are also really dope in their own right
Well you really can't compare the two due to the fact they are supposed to be the same game. Plus Michael Jackson was making music in Sonic 3 and was most likely taken out of the music team for sonic & knukles.
@@BendyCrates I don't think so, If Michael Jackson was taken out SEGA Wouldve Used The Sonic & Knuckles Half Of The Soundtrack instead of the prototype ones
According to Roger Hector's and Brad Buxer's comments there was a whole composed MJ soundtrack comprised of 41 songs, of which we currently have only 10 (CNZ1/2, ICZ1/2, LBZ1/2 the competition mode menu theme, the Miniboss theme, Knuckles' theme and the credits music)
Dont forget if you access the sonic3 level select before sonic&knuckles was even released all the songs from both games had already been composed and uploaded to sonic3, only main songs that changed/missing where the mini boss/knuckles themes
No they're not. I looked up the drum notation. Not the same at all. Even listened to them isolated in just drum n bass. They only use snares at similar times but not even the same. Idk where you got that info from but the drums are not the same AT ALL.
So, I guess those are TR-808 drum and snare samples on Channel 0, while the DAC handles everything else? Smart move. Also, those orchestra hit samples on the DAC are great. And Channel 1. EDIT: Those aren't samples, the YM2612 is making those waveforms. Neat.
The YM2612 has 6 channels of 4 operator FM synthesis. The sixth channel could be swapped out for an onboard DAC, which could handle 8-bit unassigned ADPCM samples. The 6th FM channel and the DAC are the same channel, just utilizing something different. Like I mentioned, Channel 0 is the main kick and snare, while the DAC handles all the MJ shouts, claps, and orchestra hits.
ItzBreakerless 2 I doubt Sonic Team’s internal composers did this one. The unconventional arrangement makes me think an outside composer did it, _possibly_ someone on Michael Jackson’s team.
They wanted to add more percussion, but the Genesis's chiptune YAMAHA doesn't allow more than 1 noise at the same time in the channel. Also, knowing Deflemask, they used Light Kick, not Bass.
2:02 Composed by: You know who
Michael Jackson 😏
Michael Jackson............& Knuckles
Brad buckser
@@TCRO_01 buxer*
Michael Jackson
Never forget what lock-on technology took away from you Sonic 3.
The Sonic 3 Complete romhck lets you put it back in. But yeah, that was lame.
What do you mean?
@@Thecozy1 When connecting the Sonic 3 cartridge to Sonic and Knuckles it combines the two games into Sonic 3K which i'm sure you know also replaces the Sonic 3 Miniboss theme (this one) with the Sonic and Knuckles Miniboss theme.
@@Thecozy1if you connect sonic 3 with sonic & knuckles to play s3&k, it replaces the s3 mini-boss theme with the s&k mini-boss theme
It's cus Micheal made it
This is the most underrated piece of music in Sonic 3’s entire OST
for real, this slaps
And, not to mention one of the least covered.
probably because it isn't in sonic 3 and knuckles
S&k miniboss music is better in my opinion
@@BradleyH41968 I feel that one gets more love.
The DAC in this song is probably the most complicated I’ve seen in this game
Yeah, those orchestra hits are playing at loads of different pitches. I would argue Launch base act 1 has a busier DAC.
ya got MJ to thank for that.
One of the most ambitious pieces from the 16bit era period I think. It's full of crazy tricks to push past the sound chips limitations, like the little super high frequency sat above the kick to give it more punch.
DAC is sample based I think.
@@HunterofWaifus (and his team)
2:06 Knuckles theme is mixed into the mini boss theme
*Huh neat*
*We found out sega's tricks muhahahah*
I knew that along time, sinse i played it the first time
@@arter2968 It would be more of MJ's tricks then Sega
@@dankmemes4794 THATS EVEN BETTER
Freaking sega and Michel Jackson dud, they go well 1000% of the time
2:21 That intro beat when Knuckles kick the crap out of Super Sonic in the beginning of Sonic 3.....My favorite game on the Genesis.
Yep, the Knuckles theme is indeed in this.
Have you ever played Sonic 3 & Knuckles? Sadly, it uses Sonic & Knuckles themes for everything, and the standalone Sonic 3 themes might be considered non-canon.
@@majorse000 it’s just songs do the characters even hear it
@@majorse000 bruh what? What is the purpose on a song being canon? Most of the songs are non-canon because the characters doesn't even hear it. Also, i don't care if it's canon or not, being thankful that this song was included in the first game
@@majorse000 that's a good thing tbh
the invincibility, one up, and title screen all sound obnoxious in s3
This the HYPEST mini boss music ever.
Idk Scott Pilgrim had a pretty great mini boss theme
2:02 Michael Jackson and Knuckles are hittin’ it hard.
6:06 EVERYBODY NOW!
*COME ON!*
I see you everywhere
that sample is actually from a sample album which is not recorded by MJ
*YEAH*
*OOOH*
I guess you could say *_there's blood & danger on the dance floor_*
DAC is vibing
I still think this song fits the Carnival Night's mini boss the best. A crazy machine trying to take you out as you're descending deeper into the carnival itself...
Facts. Waaaaaayyyyy better than the Sonic and Knuckles mini boss theme
The sonic and knuckles does seem fitting for the flying battery boss though
I think this fits with Knuckles’ boss fight the best, even if it was never used there.
There is just too much funky soul in this track. MJ really didn't have to do much did he? The kicks in Knux's drums.... this game came out out the right time it did man. You don't hear stuff like this anymore.
That PSG3 sounds like hi-hats and a cymbal, that's one creative way to make a noise wave sound like drums.
That's far from the first time a noise channel has been used for that.
fm channel 0 is actually the cymbal and psg3 (noise channel) is hihat only
@@chiptunerat Nope, FM0 is actually the kick/snare drums. The cymbal does indeed play in PSG3
@@chiptunerat tem nada a ver com o prato de chimbal, parece ser mais o bumbo. Se fosse assim, o som seria agudo
Why are we fighting over YM2612 Channels?
This certainly is weirdly constructed compared to most tunes posted here, with a much greater part of the melody on the DAC and PSG channels.
It was likely made by someone who wasn’t familiar with the “conventional” understanding of how to handle the Genesis’ sound chip.
@@rassilontdavros3004 sounds like they mostly handled the main melody as if it was a master system track?
@@rassilontdavros3004 they did have a varied music team for sonic 3, i'd say this is definitely one of the more "mj crew"-driven tracks. there's expertise in there, just pointed in a different direction than most genesis games (something that's common in the sonic 3 soundtrack)
2:02 where the jam vibes start
1:05 boss theme on game gear
...Yeah!!
2:06
Knuckles Theme's DAC
Pudimp Toddy Not exactly a secret
Also, Knuckles' Theme's Channel 0.
What does DAC even mean? I gotta know
@@pastorjoelbussi4312 - I've just looked it up. It stands for Digital to Analog(ue) Converter.
Thanks
When it comes to the DAC this is the most complex track out of all of the genisis games. Not only did it use tons and tons of samples it also needed another channel just to fit it all of it
Toy story menu theme.
jesters adventure streamed audio
Dual PCM driver by jester
That feel when you realize Knuckles' theme is in this.
Also I'm fairly sure that's Michael Jackson going "WHOOAA" in this beat lol
It isn't MJ
Sources of the samples on the DAC track:
Track 64 of Skip To My Loops by Norman Cook
Say it Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud by James Brown
Credits to the people at Sonic Retro for identifying these.
I’m pretty sure this is the reason they haven’t done widescreen adaptations to sonic 3
Sonic origins?
@@abject_sky1915 They used samples all the time and still do, including all over CD, which got released too, so i'd be surprised.
@@abject_sky1915 sonic cd uses ALOT of samples vocally
Lmao the squarewave instruments sound and look hilarious without anything else playing
PSG 0 is my favorite :)
Maybe PSG 3 as well
Edit: BUT THEN THERE'S DAC
You listen to these separately and KNOW that Michael Jackson had influence on this.
Coz he made music for S3? Duh
Yeah, there was a collab but due to the dirt he had, Sega dropped him and reworked most of the soundtrack , save for the sound but and some inclusions, mostly in the ice zones
Actually michael jackson himself said to the sega team to not include him in the credits, because the music sounds too horrible in the sega genesis
@@MrBlitzardo21 nah bro that can't be it
Micheal and sega go way back, not just sonic 3
he was already familiar with what the genesis sounded like
i remember being amazed by the voices in sonic 3 cartridge, none was included in sonic 2
Facts
The percussion in this piece is so intense that it scared the bass (Channel 1) from coming in the first time around.
holy crap there are orchestra hits in this song
This beat is crispy
They somehow managed to cram in the kick and the snare into an instrument.
2:04 Sounds like a freestyle
Because it's just Michael beatboxing.
I like how DAC goes completely crazy
I was watching TGAs, but this is more important right now.
Sonic 3 Miniboss > Sonic and Knuckles Miniboss
No, Sonic and Knuckles Miniboss>>>>>>>>Sonic 3 Miniboss theme. Well, I guess agree to disagree.
@@kitsuneinc3230 I dunno there's something that's always felt more lifeless about the S & K miniboss theme...
But like you said.
Both of them are great in their own ways
Facts
Rip to this wonderful track in origins
And also S3nK
I used to dislike this theme save for the percussion. Introducing the channels one-by-one made me appreciate this theme a lot more as a whole.
Michael Jackson is amazing, isn't he?
Me too
Ice Cap may be Brad Buxer's magnum opus and my favorite Sonic track...but good lord, this one comes close! The DAC is the catchiest thing ever. I could listen to it isolated all day.
Is nobody gonna talk about 1:20 where this channel goes absolutely crazy?
That channel really went "ooEEEEEEE"
that DAC is the cherry on this dessert
I´m not sure if MJ composed other muisic levels, but I'm almost 100% sure that he composed this one, Is so weird the amount of samples that it has, also how the psg channel is used for the main melody, and It is the only song that isn't playing when you play with the sonic and knuckles lock on
And sometimes you hear his voice lol
@@patriblammed9657 ice cap, launch base, and hydro city
What is most likely is that he composed all the music that was different in the prototype/PC version (Carnival Night, Ice Cap*, Knuckles's Theme, this music and the credits)
@@HruMan360 and Launch Base!
@@clonefighter1996 Yeah, I was just listing examples (also maybe, just probably a stretch but I think the competition menu music can count)
When you and the homies about through down....but honestly this song slaps....I made it my ringtone
Me too e..e
Never thought of that- it's actually a great tune for a ringtone
It was my ringtone in 6th grade. I think I changed it when some guys at school made fun of me for it but now I'd not be ashamed of using it. It slaps way too hard
HOOOO!
The hottest track on RUclips tonight! I'm ushering in the new year with this. On a sleepy graveyard shift doing paperwork, and this right chere is keeping me awake. The beat, the shouts, and it's dripping in ooey gooey, delicious, head-bopping, foot-tapping, almost tear-jerking nostalgia.
Hell yeah.
❤️❤️❤️
Super underrated song
Hardest drop in history at 2:00
Bro this is one of my favorite classic sonic boss themes
Thank you carpathia808
DAC = Sonic 3 knuckles theme
EH! WHOO! COME ON!
Dang, never noticed those were orchestra hits in the DAC before
1:04 reminds me of the dancing guitars from Ristar.
How?
Omg another true sega/Ristar fan! I was thinking the same thing!
@@jaywillis20 cause when you step on the tile near a guitar it makes music sorta like this
this song is so meanicing, i love it
2:02 That's fuckin hot
Edit: It gets progressively more 🔥🔥🔥 as it goes because Carpatia808 ordered it well
I can almost see michael jackson's fingers in the velocity
2:02 - 3:02 this sounds very cool!, does someone knows a video with only this part in it?
Roberto Grigoras no. The drum sample is a part of the knuckles theme. But they’re looking for only these channels in this theme.
www.smspower.org/maxim/Winamp/InVgm
With this plug in you could just download this song from the internet and separate the tracks yourself.
This video
Make this the new knuckles theme
@@mattfromwiisports9414 You got me XD
2:02 Where Michael Jackson starts jamming.
2:02 I feel like Qjimbo's original video could've just been this breakdown and it would've been evidence enough of MJ's involvement.
I can't believe how much the bass drops in this one! My badnicks are most pleased with your efforts. Mwahahaa.
when i was 4yo, i would go to Ice Cap zone and quickly get to the miniboss to listen to this. Ice Cap has the only miniboss in the game with blindzones that allow you to stand in one place and do nothing indefinitely so i would do just that, relax and vibe to this...well, at least until i was about to run out of time
I could go on all day about Channel 0 and DAC, and everybody has already.
But what I've noticed here is that Channel 2 and PSG 0 are also really dope in their own right
They are keeping the rhythm together
Sounds like Michael Jackson's Dangerous. Fitting since this was "made" by Michael during his Dangerous era.
Mix whith history and blood on the dance floor
@@adriankicks-over7092 well Blood on The Dancefloor was made during the Dangerous era. Just didn’t come out til 97
@@unbreakabletez799 yes!!
The DAC is basically what makes this song so good
Clearly, Sonic 3 *final* have better ost than Sonic & Knuckles
Well you really can't compare the two due to the fact they are supposed to be the same game. Plus Michael Jackson was making music in Sonic 3 and was most likely taken out of the music team for sonic & knukles.
@@BendyCrates I don't think so, If Michael Jackson was taken out SEGA Wouldve Used The Sonic & Knuckles Half Of The Soundtrack instead of the prototype ones
(in the sonic 3 Collection)
According to Roger Hector's and Brad Buxer's comments there was a whole composed MJ soundtrack comprised of 41 songs, of which we currently have only 10 (CNZ1/2, ICZ1/2, LBZ1/2 the competition mode menu theme, the Miniboss theme, Knuckles' theme and the credits music)
Dont forget if you access the sonic3 level select before sonic&knuckles was even released all the songs from both games had already been composed and uploaded to sonic3, only main songs that changed/missing where the mini boss/knuckles themes
1:03 sonic 3 miniboss on the sega game gear
2:06 and 3:03 are my favorite parts
5:46
Fun fact, the drum beat is the same beat used in Michael Jackson's Blood on the Dance Floor
No they're not. I looked up the drum notation. Not the same at all. Even listened to them isolated in just drum n bass. They only use snares at similar times but not even the same. Idk where you got that info from but the drums are not the same AT ALL.
@@shay_playz Know what, I think I'm thinking of Knuckles' theme
They are hardly similar but i agree with we think the two percussions are very funky
more commonly known as knuckles theme
@@shay_playz they play at the point in the first chorus of the song at the line seven inches in
So, I guess those are TR-808 drum and snare samples on Channel 0, while the DAC handles everything else? Smart move.
Also, those orchestra hit samples on the DAC are great.
And Channel 1.
EDIT: Those aren't samples, the YM2612 is making those waveforms. Neat.
What about the DAC? it's the 7th channel of the YM2612
The YM2612 has 6 channels of 4 operator FM synthesis. The sixth channel could be swapped out for an onboard DAC, which could handle 8-bit unassigned ADPCM samples. The 6th FM channel and the DAC are the same channel, just utilizing something different.
Like I mentioned, Channel 0 is the main kick and snare, while the DAC handles all the MJ shouts, claps, and orchestra hits.
ohhhhh
2:06 Knuckles' Theme as DAC
I love this mix of FM and DAC Drums!
Also the lead being mainly in the PSG channels is just sweet!
Channel 0, DAC, and PSG3 make up the most elite beat i've ever seen
I didn't know the FM channels could do noise!
IKR
I don't think it's noise. It's percussion instruments that have noise-like sounds
@@thesupervideogamenerdmore3171 from a technological standpoint, it's noise that sounds like percussion instruments
It's square noise and noise as well as FM instruments DAC samples. The noise sounds like Hi hats to add to the drums for channel 0 and the DAC
the FM channels can mimic sounds from the PSG channels.
interesting,am I right???
So the percussions and the "come on" are all sharing one channel, that's why they sort of cut into each other. Crazy!
strong early 90s vibes
Best miniboss theme in the entire series!
Ruby Delusions from Sonic Mania:
@@Mariowiiu2008Goose doesnt hit as hard as this one v:
I like both this the and S&K's mini bosss theme one of them gives me funky positive vibes and the other gives me dark fearsome vibes
Thank you so much for posting this!!
Most of it sounds very odd without the knuckles part
When It’s Deconstructed It Sounds So Erie..
Well, Knuckles *did* have some Jamaican influence. ☺
@@RyanBrown2K5 What?
@@RyanBrown2K5 ?
That's not how you spell eary
@@Rammy_Latin he did in some early pieces of knuckles media
S3 Miniboss: C'mon lets dance (Michael Jackson intensifies)
S&K Miniboss: C'mon lets fight
C'mon!
eh!
This sh!T so DOPE and Funky🔥🔥🔥🔥 I can never ever understand why people like the S&K version over this.
This is more upbeat, while the S&K version portrays more danger. Both are equally great(though i think this is better)
5:05 a S3 beta boss
the S&K theme better fits the tone of S&K’s story. s3 starts off 3&K pretty lighthearted
PSG 1 really gives it that little touch
This would take me years to replicate in furnace, goddamn. PSG 0'S only making it worse for me xD
5:06 really doesn’t sound right without PSG 0 and PSG 1
This gave me a whole new appreciation for this track that I didn't have before.
This is essentially what it sounds like to hear Pingas evolving in real time
Best boss theme ever written, so badass.
At 2:02 It's Weird That Musicians/Sonic Team Put The Kicks At Channel 0
ItzBreakerless 2
I doubt Sonic Team’s internal composers did this one. The unconventional arrangement makes me think an outside composer did it, _possibly_ someone on Michael Jackson’s team.
They wanted to add more percussion, but the Genesis's chiptune YAMAHA doesn't allow more than 1 noise at the same time in the channel. Also, knowing Deflemask, they used Light Kick, not Bass.
@@rassilontdavros3004 Like they did on the Moonwalker game.
2:02 I like hearing the woo come on all on its own
2:22
Knuckles theme remix:
Michael Jackson vocals is amazing
Sonic 3 Miniboss theme - *no MJ here*
The cooler Sonic 3 Miniboss Theme:
One of favorite boss music next to streets of rage 1 & 3
7:07 full thing
When you meet Knuckles, it's only Channel 0, DAC, and PSG 3
Channel 0 and PSG 3 really be vibin'
This slaps so fucking hard god damn!
Channel 0, 1, and DAC can stand on their own. Sexy.
Mad Pistol dont forget PSG 3
Woah! eh! come on! WOAH COME ON!! To be honest sonic 3 was better than other Sonic games
I’ve always preferred this song to the S&K version. Funky boss music is my weakness.
0:01 CH3, CH4
0:36 CH2 JOINS
1:01 PSG0, PSG1 (occasionally)
2:02 CH0, DAC, PSG3
3:02 CH1, CH0, DAC, PSG3
4:03 CH3, CH4, CH1, CH0, DAC, PSG3
5:04 CH2, CH3, CH4, CH1, CH0, DAC, PSG3
6:05 every channel
What's your favourite part? Mine: 2:02
It's a real pleasure seeing all this pieces working together! Thank you!
Only MJ can make a song that is Cheerful (Main Melody), Melancholic (Channels 3 & 4) and Serious (Channel 1) at the same time.
Its knuckles theme!