Sonic Origins Music Comparison - What Sonic 3 Tracks Were Replaced?
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- Sonic Origins does not include some of the original music tracks from Sonic the Hedgehog 3. So how did they replace said tracks?
0:00 Remember these great tracks?
0:38 Old tracks compared (Carnival Night Zone, Ice Cap Zone, Launch Base Zone)
2:08 Prototype tracks compared
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I'm gonna have to mod in the originals
YES please do ! Btw i love your channel
True...
These are the originals bandy
Come on let’s go!!!
@@ChuckE.CheesesIllinois Yep, these are indeed the originals
IMO, the biggest loss was Ice Cap Zone.
Agreed.
At least we have The Jetzons "Hard Times"...I guess lol
R.I.P Ice Cap music :(
Correct
Rip carnival night
*Strange, the new tracks don't really sound like they're from a Sega Genesis game.*
Perhaps they're not using the same soundbites as the Sega Genesis.
*Strange, I can also type in bold.*
Wrong. is been stated that the creator of the new music used the same Yamaha synth.
It just sounds clear now and not played through a CRT TV.
The songs are from the Sonic 3 prototype.
@@david-eh6ps ye we know, the seconde half is literally comparing the original prototype with the remaster...
Ice cap is just evidence that music can completely change the mood and feeling of a zone. The ‘hard times’ version makes it feel like a melancholy and lonely descent down a formidable mountain whilst sonic is surrounded by ice, the frozen version of his greatest fear: water
Hard times version?
@@why3994 The original Ice Cap theme sounds very similar to Hard Times by The Jetzons.
His fear came from Labyrinth tell me I'm wrong
True so true
Damn. Did William Shakespeare write this comment?
Man, i'll miss the ice cap music
Maybe MJ and original music will be unlockable
@Team Chaotix Br tbm vo sentir falta da musica da ice cap e a "musica nova" nem combina com a ice cap e ja sei que vc é br e conheço o canal
@@BreadCroissant They're not. The DLC doesn't have the Sonic 3 at all. It only has Knuckles Chaotix, Sonic Spinball, and Sonic 3D Blast.
@@theultimabass a man can still dream though.
I will too
For some reason I feel like the original prototype tracks sound better than the updated prototype soundtracks. The newer versions sound like a downgrade in my opinion.
Ice Cap Zone's sound exactly like the one in the prototype or at least close enough.
But yes, I agree that Carnival Night and Launch Base should've use the unfinished prototypes as the basis instead of the finalized ones used in the Sonic & Knuckles collection.
(EDIT: So the music was based the demo tapes instead of 1993 prototype, that explains why Carnival Night and Launch Base didn't sound right)
Otherwise the rest of the unaltered soundtracks remains intact.
Serious downgrade 😡
They sound like unfinished tracks. I don't like them
personally I think that the instrument sounds they choice are vastly inferior to the prototype ones. the prototype ones sound like a sound you'd get from the 90s while the new renditions are too modern and electric sounding.
Was going to say the same thing. How did they somehow make the prototype tracks worse?
Daaamn, I got to say, that's absolutely a deal breaker for me. Especially Ice Cap and Launch Base Zone had such amazing music, I regularily find myself humming these tracks from time to time even after nearly 30 years.
I bought it unaware. It was bad and scary and sad and wrong. Everything was fine until carnival zone. Then it was not fine at all.
The deal breaker for me was the fact that this remastered collection has bugs out the wazoo. The original games had an occasional bug but you can’t play this stinker for 15 minutes without getting stuck in the level geometry...
@@DoomKid I swear I bought it and 100% the games and there were some bugs but they weren’t deal breakers. The worst glitch I encountered was at the end of Hidden Palace Zone in Sonic & Knuckles where being Hyper Sonic after beating Knuckles just stopped. I could still move but nothing was happening. I just restarted the level from the checkpoint being able to do that in Origins and beat it without it.
The PC version can have the songs replaced with a simple file swap
Man that ice cap song slaps so hard. Beautiful stuff to this day.
HARD TIMES
Slaps? NERD
I will deeply miss Launch Base Zone, i think that in the original it nailed the atmosphere of the zone and also the song represented the feeling of "you're very near of the end, maybe it's the end? We'll find out"
I also think the original Ice Cap Zone was the best as well. It had this very dark feeling of being at a glacier that is dangerous. The new version doesn't capture that feeling sadly.
@@Xxandrew01 I agree.
Launch base Is a mid game zone so...
@@isaacramirez2143 not in the original Sonic 3 release..... so.....
@@NineTails87 but lauch base was planned as a mid game zone so...
All they had to do was to add a few instruments and it would have been golden, like in Sonic 3 A.I.R. This sounds closer to the crappy MIDIs than the real proto versions.
Even SilvaGunner understood this with his spoofs
That, or just make something new (which would have been more difficult) but hey at least we’re getting great ports on our consoles and portable devices
I WISH I NEVER LISTENED TO THE PROTO VERSIONS….. ugh these are bad lmao
You had one job, Sega.
At least these are actually better than the midi's.
I am CRUSHED to see this. Sonic 3 was nothing but bangers, one of the best video game OSTs of all time
Bangers? NERD
“No copyright law in the universe will stop me!”
The best compromise would've been to hire Tee Lopes to compose new tracks for the affected stages. I have full confidence that he would have put together some bangers. As things stand, these versions of the songs just don't do it for me at all...
Agreed. Even the original prototype tracks sound way better
You know who is the one responsible for "remastering" these tracks according to Sega? Jun Sennoe apparently.
He did an amazing job with ninja turtles so they should have.
@@benraven9087 wow real shocker
@@brucewatkinson5254 Actually, he's better known as the song writer and guitarist of Crush 40, as well as the composer of Sonic Adventure 1 & 2.
The New Music Sounds Closer to the Version of the Sonic and Knuckles Collection on PC than the original Sonic 3 Prototype on Genesis. Except Ice Cap act 2, that sounds the same.
I grew up with the Sonic and Knuckles Collection so if anything, these "new" songs actually make me feel MORE nostalgic lol
@@DisasterMillennial Though I prefer the prototype tracks, I’m glad you’ll get some enjoyment out of the tracks.
The pc version had the pre-MJ tracks so yeah these were the finalised prototype tracks in the end
I mean, the prototype compositions were likely unfinished anyway
@@HulluHapua did you not hear them?
If you ask me, there is a lesson in this: Never work with a celebrity without a way of ensuring you can always use your own content.
For someone who grew up with both PC & genesis version of the game i'm loving the throwback to the PC version tracks
That being said i hope somebody can mod the Genesis tracks back in lol
...or the prototype tracks. These new ones somehow sound worse than the PC Midi's using a good soundfont.
Sonic on PC? 🤮
This collection is seriously neutered without those tracks. Ice Cap zone's music is in my top 3 videogame themes of all time. The Carnival Night zone music is iconic and funky, and Launch Base's music fits the stage so well. It feels like a different game without the original Genesis music.
I completely agree
agrree
And the new choices are *AWFUL!*
Even the old prototype versions were better.
That was quite possibly one of the worst things Sega could've done.
@@lunatic0verlord10 ice cap act 2 survived
Come on, that’s a stretch. I love Jackson tracks, but these prototype tracks are just as good. The video here doesn’t play enough of the songs in order to gain full context of their sound. The carnival night prototype lines up with the vibes of the music from Balloon Park. These tracks make sense and they are good.
Honestly I really hope 2 things happen.
1. The modding community steps in a restores the old tracks.
2.(This is a huge stretch) Sega comes to an agreement with all other parties regarding the og music and in turn sells a dlc pack called the S3&K Music pack, and hopefully officially acknowledges that MJ did have some hand in the Original soundtrack.
I see the former being far many times more likely. Maybe the modern could use DJ SpinDash’s version used in Sonic 3 AIR.
I hope 1 thing happens: People don't buy this crap! So simple
@@Simon-zo1vf Clown emoji
@@Simon-zo1vf it's crap just because three songs from one game were replaced? gtfoh kid
@@Simon-zo1vf 🤡
The “remastered” tracks I definitely remember, since I did have the Sonic & Knuckles Collection as well, but maaaaaaan it really saddens me that the Genesis versions are gone. Those songs were a huge part of why Sonic 3 & Knuckles is my all-time favorite Sonic game. Playing through these Zones on Origins for me doesn’t even make me happy anymore.
One big reason for me to get Sonic Origins was because I never got to play Sonic 3 but heard some of the music and loved it. Now that factor is gone and I don’t see myself spending 40$ on this. Michael Jackson’s Ice Cap Act 2 just sounds amazing. Was looking forward to that.
Part of what is hurting the new mixes of these tracks is the lack of a wide stereo sound.
The one that pains me the most is carnival night act 2, if you listen to the intro the prototype sounds so much WIDER
For some reason, ice cap act 1 is the only one I feel has a better stereo image
Indeed. They somehow made the new songs sound WORSE than the prototypes.
And even with ice cap, it's essentially pre-sonic 3 since act 1 sounds identical to act 2
Agreed, the mix sounds crowded with everything up-front and center, and compression (or low-pass filtering?) seems to have chopped off the crisp high-end frequencies expected from Genesis synth.
Both issues rob the tracks of clarity.. I think the resulting off-putting tone is the real culprit here, exaggerating the disparity between these tracks and the prototype ones.
@@shadowledastray
Yes i also totally thought they needed more high end, these tracks would all sound better with a slight boost in the highs
I am not good at music studying but I think what you said about wide stereo is called reverb? If these tracks are played in live set, reverb is super important for creating the atmosphere that studio can't recreate
Not really a fan of the new renditions. Looks like they are primarily based on the PC port instead prototype renditions. Ice Cap for example has the same melody instruments in both act 1 and 2 unlike the prototype and Launch Base Act 2 doesn't sound so powerful.
Carnival Night Act 1 on PC always sounded unsynchronized for me, something I haven't found on the original prototype track, which sounds even better. It's a shame this wasn't brought up in the new rendition
I agree
they chose to “remake” the PC songs instead of simply enhancing the prototype songs that fans have made sound better than this for years already…. Carnival night 1’s tempo is the proof they decided to just go with the PC version
The PC Collection versions were closer to the final version of said tracks. The Prototype ones are unfinished and had some channels muted.
Me too
It’s a shame
I do like the prototype version tho
I'm so used to associating MJ track with launch base. Like that's a strong nostalgic memory for me.
So informative. Thank you! I DID play Sonic origins first recently so I admit that the alternative tracks did grow on me. But mad respect to the og mj tracks
I knew this was gonna sting. But hoo boy. Ice Cap gets hit the hardest. The prototype song just doesn't invoke the same sense of danger that the original Ice Cap Zone song does.
yeah
Right. 🥺 yeah.
Launch base zone pissed me off the most SMFH
That's gonna be hard disagree from me. Carnival Night got hit the hardest.
I actually like the new Carnival Night zone songs. But dear god, that new Ice Cap zone song is god awful.
The remastering of the Carnival Night tune totally killed it. They got rid of the classic Genesis stank. The stank man, THE STANK!
not remastered AT ALL, you're using that word incorrectly
Sounds like a GBA port
Literally why even bother. If it doesn’t have that absolutely FILTHY Genesis twang, then don’t even try
I miss the STANK, motherfucker. I miss it hard. That's what made those Zones iconic AF.
The best part of carnival night music? 🥛💥
I miss the originals but I can go back and experience them anytime I want using emulation. Currently playing though the mode where it presents every game back to back on the PS5 version of Origins. The 3D special stages in Sonic 2 were a nice touch.
The one thing that always bugged me about those tracks in the originally-released Sonic 3 is how the Act 2 remixes sounded less intense than their Act 1 counterparts -- certain instrument tracks were taken out, for example -- when you'd expect it to be the other way around. If nothing else, I'm glad the prototype soundtrack got that aspect correct.
Losing Ice cap just crushed my soul in every piece scattered through out the infinite universes.
Yeah
Same it’s the only one that really is worse
there is a chance to get the mj music as dlc except ice cap because it's not by mj and the og creator of ice cap zone music/hard times died
Just wait for the modders to step in.
BREAKING NEWS: local Sonic fan becomes W. D. Gaster after hearing the wrong tunes /j
The original Ice Cap is a banger and one of my favorite tracks in the series. It's a shame to see it replaced, but the reasoning makes perfect sense. Hopefully we get some mods on the PC version to readd the old track.
give it a week, we'll have our orginal music back
I honestly think the Jackson family wouldn't even care if they kept the original tracks in, probably just Sega being a little too cautious.
@@Benjamillion Fuck SEGA and their bad business decisions they've made since 2003.
@@Benjamillion Nah they literally can't use it. They can't even use a smidge of it or they will be hit with a huge lawsuit. The music industry is a LOT more petty than it used to be.
Pretty sure they said they'll make the game unmoddable music-wise so people can't add the original/proto tracks back
I didn't know Michael Jackson composed music thought he was a singer/dancer.
Carnival night, Ice cap and launch base will never be the same again 😭😭😭😭😭
The new song versions used in the prototype was basically downgraded even more, which honestly disappoints me and could even distrup the feel of the levels
The originals sound so energetic and can really portray the feelings of these zones so well. The new music sounds super bland, like it can fit any random scenario, but just not well
It's probably because you're used to hearing the original music in the zones, that the prototype ones feel out of place. But i do think they fucked up the proto ones bad.
It's just your nostalgia that got used to the tracks. Theres no such thing as "portraying the feeligs" of the zones.
I agree. To me, Ice cap 1, 2, and Launch base 2 all sound like variations on the same theme.
It's just not the same - that first time you pop into Carnival night and that lame ass track plays....it lacks so much energy.
Las originales son las mejores.
Even the prototype songs sound bad, michael jackson really helped this game's ost lol
Those tracks really added a lot to the original games and the vibe of those levels, I think I'll stick with emulation
Carnival Night doesn’t sound like a carnival. You’re telling me that Sega could afford to put a crappy Mickey Mouse game in the first Genesis Mini, but can’t get the license for their music tracks back?
....why do I actually like the prototype versions better then the “new” versions? Sure they are essentially the same but I feel like the prototypes had more of the genesis twang to em. The new ones feel like muddy fan remakes. All they literally had to do was add some extra musical notes to the prototypes to make them sound less empty. It’s a shame because I actually really enjoy the beta ost. Somewhat even more then I do the OG ost
Edit:Lemme make it clear that I don’t hate the OG tracks. I just feel like some of the beta genesis tracks are more catchy like the entirety of carnival night. Still though the OG is great and it’s a shame we couldn’t get them in this release because of some stupid MJ copyrights Or whatnot
They based it off the shitty MIDIs. Check out the remastered versions from Sonic 3 A.I.R., they sound great.
@@25kamul trust me I’ve already seen em and they are pretty awesome. Such a shame this collection couldn’t do the same......hell didn’t they use the genesis sound font to uh well “recreate” the originals. If so then why’d it come out like this? And not something similar or even better then A.I.R’s I just don’t get it. They definitely already knew that people hated the Midi versions but actually liked the genesis tracks so why use the Midi tracks as a reference???
You smoking
@Sonic Frontiers Defender understandable. I mean these aren’t......horrible? But for me atleast compared to the OG beta tracks these are somewhat lackluster. Imma still buy the game tho lmao
@Tree1579 I highly disagree. The Prototype music just doesn't sound nearly as good as the original.
Prototype versions sound better than the "Remasters"
Agreed
@YEP The Ice Cap tracks are the most unfinished ones in the prototype, so that's probably why
@The Legendary Sanic yeah, the new ones kinda feel muted especially carnival night
Dayum even the prototypes sounded way better than what we ended up with...
Wtf sega
The original soundtrack was in the Sonic Mega Collection for the PS2, despite not being on the PC releases in the late '90s.
Im gonna miss ice cap zones music it just fitted the level so much
We will.
We all do
No it didn't, it sounds like the opening theme to a 1980s sitcom, not only that, but it feels like they just slapped it onto an existing level, oh wait, thats because they did
@@cakelayer Cope.
@@cakelayer “it sounded like they just slapped it on the level oh wait they did” 🤓
The new tracks sound alright however ice cap got the short straw. I will be looking for a mod to restore IceCap
Is because some track didn't use YM2612 instrument such as Carnaval Night and Launch Base
The mini boss, "Woo C'mon" song is missing too.
Launch Base and Ice Cap zone, dang man. Man, I really wished they would’ve gotten Hyper Potions or Tee Lopez to produce some hype musics. Hell, i wish the ones from Mania could’ve been used.
Gone really miss hearing those two replaying it.
Waiting for mods that bring back the original tracks 💿
The ice cape zone just destroys my heart ! I still have that song in my mind. I can’t believe the newer generations won’t be able to experience that song. The new songs on the other tracks sound cool . Tbh the ice cape zone new one is not bad it’s just not even close to the original. I’ll find a way to play the old one over this man I’m so sad about that
At least we have RUclips.
"I can't believe the nrwer generations won't be able to experience that song."
All Sega Genesis and copies of Sonic 3 did not self destruct in 2005. Also, emulators exist
@@imskyskyhigh Sonic 3 AIR, Sonic 3 Complete, Sonic Mega Collection/+, Modders for Sonic Origins, RUclips: Allow us to introduce ourselves
But this IS the original version of ice cap
@@imskyskyhigh
Yeah but sonic origins is basically meant to be the definitive way for new fans to get into the classics meaning their impressions of the games will come from here
Sonic 3 & Knuckles Music:
Prototype > Original > Origins
Man the ice cap zone music really banged, that music alone brings back so much happy memories.
I'll never forget the time I rented Sonic 3 for the first time and got to Ice Cap Zone. That song and level combined blew my mind and have always associated it with that game ever since.
Right. That snowboarding intro is unforgettable. I still remember my first play like it was yesterday.
💔💔💔💔💔😫😫😫😫
Same I cranked up my CRTV and jammed it back in the day. That and the Streets of Rage soundtrack
They're good, but, well, I'll always prefer the Ice Cap theme we know and love.
same
i noticed that recently. as a lifelong Michael Jackson fan, i am aware of his contributions and was offended to hear of their replacement. i thought this was their "cancelling" him. but i understand the whole "clearing the rights" thing. i just wish they had got Tee Lopes to knock it outta da park like he did with "Mirage Saloon Zone" Stage 2 in Sonic Mania. in hindsight, Sonic is in best form when running around to funky New Jack Swing tracks.
I certainly prefer Sonic Origin's Carnival Night tracks.
In fact, the 1997 PC collection was the way I originally played Sonic 3 & Knuckles, so I do have a certain amount of nostalgia for these replacement tracks anyhow.
It's also cool to get re-done versions of these tracks with the genesis soundfont. I'm guessing they took the MIDI versions from the PC release and converted them.
SEGA just cannot stop taking L's, like come on, HOW DID YOU MAKE THEM WORST???
There's an illusion that the new version seems worse, due to the lower volume. Yall should have did something about that.
There is no meaningful volume difference. The new remastered tracks are songs that sound like they were ripped from a flash game
@@tawmifm they where not remastered.
The Carnival Night newer version def sounds worse
There is no illusion here. The """""remastered""""" versions lack any sort of punch and sound muddy compared to the original proto tracks. Only exception is ice cap which is mostly the same it seems. I can assure that this isn't just due to volume difference.
@@mellon1427 yeah. They totally massacred Carnival Night Zone
Ice Cap and Carnival Night are both big losses in my opinion. If I want them "back," there's always my copy of Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection. Eh, who knows? Maybe those three courses will get their more known tracks back in an update, with the ability to switch between the two?
At least they made use of the Sonic 3 beta music. Used to have the Sonic & Knuckles Collection for PC. Brings back memories hearing these tracks again.
Man I've never lost so much hype for a game in such a short amount of time. I was hoping the new music wouldn't be that different from the og but it's just not my cup of tea. The music is one of the biggest parts of S3&K for me and them changing it out just kills the whole thing for me. It feels weird to say but I may actually pass on this just for the music. It's really that jarring and bad for me, and I was more hyped for this than for Frontiers. Hopefully they fix it in the future. With dlc or something.
Don't expect a dlc or something unless they are able to reach an agreement with whoever controls Micheal Jackson music
At best we'll only get them via mods on PC
I totally feel you my man. I know it's only 3 tracks, and it's crazy that it's turning me off from the whole thing... but I cant deny how I feel
This is literally out of Sega control lmao. They wouldn't have changed it if the music wasn't own by Michael Jackson. They had no choice but to make new music.
@@bluenitethewarrior9332 Exactly, is either that or never re-release Sonic 3 ever again, i am sad these songs arent in it, yeah. but i would rather have them change it if it means i can play Sonic 3 again
@@bluenitethewarrior9332 I would agree but the new songs just aren't that good. Majority of the people who play this are saying they'd even prefer the prototypes to the versions Jun made. Ice cap zones song, for example, just doesn't match the same feeling the original gave. It's just too happy.
Seriously?! There was no reason to make them more like the terrible MIDI versions from the S&K collection! They already sounded perfect!
That’s probably because Jun Sonne has ZERO IDEA there even is an prototype with that OST
I don't know... I like most of it especially Carnival Night act 2 and Launch Base act 2.
@@RSN_SGT_RENEWAL I mean stealth mentioned an "FM makeover" so the guy who added the music propably knew about the prototype
These tracks came from the same guy who made the Sonic 4 OST and apparently those songs were supposed to emulate the genesis/mega drive games.
@@hammerbro4782 Sonic 4 is easily one of Jun's weakest soundtracks. I was kinda hoping h'ed make original music but oh well.
Hopefully they get everything settled because it would be nice to have both of these rather than just one.
I absolutely hate it! The music in Sonic 3 & knuckles what's so good and that's why I always considered it to be my favorite amongst the other Sonic games. So now what I'm playing this game on Sonic origins I just turned the sound off.
I was dreading this. I loved the original ice cap and launch base zone themes, I'm gonna miss hearing those tracks. I can get behind carnival night theme changing but the others are just a heavy loss for me
Yeah I think the Carnival Night prototype theme is just better and much more creative than the MJ one, so I don't mind that one being changed. Too bad the final version in Origins sounds so muffled compared to the prototype version...
How do they not remake them with the same soul at least? The new tracks are garbagio
Agreed. Thank God for modders though.
@@DarkAnomaly How do i get mods on the ps5 version though?
@@CosmicCosmo1 I don’t think you can
What the HELL happened there?! I’m in the camp that actually thoroughly enjoys the prototype tracks, I love the Launch Base themes and I actually prefer prototype Carnival Night to the final version. So what in god’s name happened?! I’m speechless. It’s like had these great prototype tracks ready to use, and then Sega just shat all over them and we got the Sonic Origins tracks. How did this happen? Jun Sunoe, I trusted you! And we got THIS?! Forget it, I’m getting the PC version and modding in some actually good music.
They really messed up, just like they have been for over 10 years, in all honesty I have lost hope in sonic games...
I remember when I made it to ice cap zone I was blown away by that sweet sweet melody.
I've mixed feelings about these. For me carnaval night zone act 1 was definitely done the most dirty. The original sounded the best, the prototype was pretty good as well, but the new one really ain't it. But to me the launch base zone definitely sounds better in both acts in the new version. For Ice Cap I've mixed feelings as well. The new version sounds better to me than the prototype, but the original probably still takes the cake. But I feel like this is second best.
The Jun Senoue versions sound clearer, but also a little more mellow, which is great for listening when you relax, but not for when you're actually playing. I get they were in a tough spot and tried to give us something new to make up for it, but sadly, once Ice Cap was lost, I think the soundtrack was guaranteed to be received poorly no matter what
I would have preferred new tracks that capture the spirit of the originals (the biggest loss is Ice Cap Zone), but if that's the trade-off for finally getting the complete Sonic 3 experience on a modern console, then so be it.
That said, I do think replacing the songs with the prototype versions is a neat easter egg for an anniversary-style collection.
Same tbh. That's what I was hoping for but I knew it wasn't a realistic possibility since the Prototype/PC versions exist.
I was expecting a remix of Ice Cap having different instruments and different rhythm and notes.
Arent sonic 3 and sonic and knuckles backwards compatible on the xbox SX? If so you could play sonic 3 & knuckles on that. They do have the original tracks from what i remember.
Fr it's like they didn't even try
@@GodWarsX Trying to get the rights to music from singer is difficult and expensive.
I have to admit, I like the beta tracks for Launch Base quite a lot actually.
The others could have been improved however, that oomph! or woah! feeling that makes them stand out as 16bit songs is missing for me.
Can you select the US and JP soundtracks for Sonic CD? Also the opening animated movie? Can you select both versions? Is it upscaled?
My problem with them is that they sound like they barely use the sound capabilities of the genesis. They sound more like a third party game than something coming directly from Sega. Of course they were prototype songs
@Sonic Frontiers Defender compare it to say Sonic 2 or the rest of the tracks from Sonic 3 and knuckles. They sound incredibly basic for the sound chip
@Sonic Frontiers Defender Even the Sonic & Knuckles collection sounds more "genesisy" if you use a mid 90's Yamaha sound synth (even one that is done in software like the one that came free with Final Fantasy 7 PC)
Eeesh... no wonder Sega had avoided answering these questions leading up to the release. As much as I was looking forward to this, the replacement music and the price are what's going to keep me from purchasing Origins.
Can’t say I blame ya
cant u mod the tracks in?
Yeah, Sonic Jam still remains the best way to play the four mainline Genesis games. Sound quality was improved over the original releases, you could save your game, and you could play as characters other than Sonic even in the first game. The fact that it has the original soundtracks is definitely icing on the cake.
@@luleta1644 not on console
@@klusterfuk3688 ohh right...
those exist ^^""
my bad.
was never a fan of the "mods will fix it" attitude but in this case which is just legal bullshit im all for it.
but yeah idk if u can mod consoles.
I think it sounds alright
I've been playing sonic 3 and s&k since its release, i have even played the re-releases and so on, I think it would be a fresh change to hear something different although I do think it sounds like most level music that came out of any old sega game you picked up back then
I'd like to point out that these songs are used in the 1997 PC port called the Sonic & Knuckles Collection. So they were used in an official released game before Sonic Origins but in a PC port that I imagine many people haven't played or possible even know about.
What I would do is disable the music, so I can hear the sounds, but in the background, I will play the original tracks. In that way, I can still listen to my favorite Sonic 3 zone's music, IceCap! But I think I will do it for CNZ and LBZ too.
Think you can, just go to the settings and lower music volume to zero
@@Professor_Rock I agree it’s really stuipid
The "remastered" versions kinda sound like a downgrade, especially Carnival Night, but I think it still sounds great
Their just midi versions
Origin's Carnival Night Act 1 music has been stuck in my head all day. The following Act 2 music sounds rough though. Lol
Does the game's music sound this flat and compressed when actually playing the game?
Remastered = crap, this is where the Albernic Handheld shines! 😁
Carnival Night's old track to me is no longer about gladiators, it's already more towards the circus. Sonic's case, based on the level & BG design, it looks more like Las Vegas, hence the new soundtrack
PS : I grew up with the PC version. Didn't had the chance to play Sonic 1 & 2.
Exactly, I actually really like the prototype Carnival Night....why couldn't they have just used that one???? Like how could you have messed this up 😭
Not having the music is a deal breaker for me. I rather pull out my old sonic 3 cart.
It's cool that you mentioned the replacements were the remastered prototypes.
I would've expected the new songs to sound more Genesis and Sonic 3nK style, while keeping their general melodies, and more bass and extra (non-Jackson) sound samples, like the Ice Cap "swoosh", Carnival Night "ch ch" sounds, etc.
These sound way more PC style and worse than even the proto S3 versions.
Take SiIvaGunner's CNZ and Mastered Realm's ICZ for example of what they shoulda sounded like.
Even the Sonic and Knuckles collection version doesn't sound this muffled with Windows stock soundfont (let alone with any actual good soundfont).
I can't believe they messed this so much up.
Apparently the Supersonic music sounds even worse... I wonder if they cut out the unused track.
I do wish they kept the MJ songs. Ice Cap Zone really fell on "Hard Times" too if you get what I mean.
They could not because of legal issues
@@asocos Indeed, and at the end of the day, it was either replace the songs that would get Sega into legal issues or not add Sonic 3 & Knuckles into Sonic Origins.
Hard Times wasn't MJ's. They just ended up cutting it anyway.
Oh boy, I can't wait to mod in polished versions of the prototype music!
I was under the impression it was every song. I'm happy it wasn't all of them just a few that were altered
Imma be honest, specifically in regards to the prototype tracks, I significantly prefer the prototypes themselves over the remixes in origins, especially Carnival Night, which in origins sounds like it takes more cues from the S&K PC collection, which sounds just awful
Yeah, I hope someone mods it so we get the original proto tracks instead of only the released tracks on the Genesis.
@@YujiUedaFan yeah. i was going to buy it on Switch, but now I'm definitely going to be getting it on PC, because I need to mod this out of my ears
I still prefer the original MJ tracks from Genesis, but the original prototypes are pretty good, and the updated versions are not bad.
I agree I bet as we play the levels we will get use to them. I'm already liking some of what I hear. I love the originals but what they did is a good solution to a hard to fix problem
I prefer the Sonic 3 PC version or original prototype version due to their sound quality sounds better.
The kid in me misses those tracks, BUT now that I have context of where these songs are from, and just listening to them for those brief seconds... It's not that bad. I was expecting a lot worse. So hey, its not a major loss to the game and all the other tracks are there. I'm happy. Gonna buy it still!
Thanks for the info. Was going to buy this
Ah, nothing like a little bit of modding can help!
Good thing mods exist. (;
I'm going to miss those 3 tracks. The prototypes just don't quite strike the mood as perfectly as the originals did. Also, the Competition Mode track got replaced as well :(
I literally phewed irl when you said at least it's not new music. That makes this bearable due to it being prototype music
The new music doesn't feel like it got any love. It feels like its still a rough draft with the levels boosted. The prototypes sound better than the Origins music, while the prototypes feel underdeveloped compared to the classic genesis version.
The new tracks all sound generic... with the originals you can feel the level's theme in the notes... but the new ones sound like they could just be interchanged with one another without making much difference, that's a shame.
^ they have that generic indie platformwr vibe
How I feel on the tracks against their old appearance in S3&K:
> = prefer left < = prefer right
Carnival night 1 > Origins Carnival 1
Carnival night 2 > Orgins Carnival 2
Ice Cap 1 > Origins Ice Cap 1
Ice cap 2 > Origins Ice Cap 2
Launch Base 1 > Origins Launch Base 1
Launch Base 2 > Origins Launch Base 2
And now prototypes against remasters:
Proto Carnival 1 > Origins Carnival 1
Proto Carnival 2 >>> Origins Carnival 2
Ice Proto 1 > Origins Ice 1
Ice Proto 2 > Origins Ice 2
Launch Proto 1 < Origins Launch 1
Launch Proto 2 < Origins Launch 2
I personally prefer Launch Base Origins Act 1 over the original as it just matches the atmosphere of Launch Base as a bit more dramatic. Same goes with Launch Base Origins Act 2 kinda.
makes me so glad i own the Genesis Classic version of S3&K that is now delisted.
I don't like the prototype tracks whatsoever or the remastered versions, I personally find them unappealing. I'll be modding in the MJ tracks back in for the PC version of the game soon as possible.
They don't fit the levels at all, I'm not feeling them *at all*
Ice Cap and Launch Base Zone had a couple of my favorite tracks in the Sonic franchise. This is a shame.
Fun fact:
The tracks in sonic & knuckles PC collection were changed to the prototype tracks because the tracks had to be in the MIDI format and they originals sounded BADLY so they had to change them to the prototype tracks. Also sega lost the rights to use the tracks in 2013-2014
New Carnival Night Act 2 somehow sounds like it'll make the barrel even more disrespectful than literal circus music
It's super nostalgic for me because I grew up playing the PC version (it's the very first game I remember ever playing) so I was actually kind of happy to see these tracks return.
Yikes.
Same man. Launch Base is honestly way better in the proto/PC version
@@danielblaise156 how dare he enjoy the proto tracks more, I mean YikES.
I like the tracks but I think these renditions in origins have not come out well at all
@@ihatestags I think they sound better than the PC MIDI renditions, but they are definitely lacking when compared to the prototype versions. I wish it would have been a better 1-to-1 conversion with the same instrument sounds. Also when the 1-up jingle finishes, the level music restarts instead of fading back in/resuming
The new versions of the prototype music sound almost muted compared to the originals (in some cases)
The new songs aren’t all that bad, we all just miss the originals. The new Ice Cap started to grow on me the more I listened to it.
Michael kinda phoned it in for Casino Night zone, so no big loss there, but the fact that Launch Zone and Ice Cap's music is gone is a travesty