Sonic Origins is Not Finished
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2022
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*You can skip cutscenes with B, and roll locking after spindash was in the originals, my bad.
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The stage was set for Sonic Origins to house the definitive versions of Sonic's classic endeavors. And while the core of each game remains intact, not all is as it seems.
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"This should've been an easy home run..." is Sega's whole career after the early 2000s.
Minus Mania that they were kinda hands off for as far as I know lol
I seriously don't know what the fuck is wrong with them. They have all the time in world, yet rush shit out every time.
sega knows there is not need to try
@@alwaysangry2232 This is pretty much the jist of it. SEGA knows Sonic will always make a profit.
@@rhett8819 Are you sure? I remember they rivaling Nintendo in '90s.
Today Nintendo sells 23m copies of Mario Odyssey + the hardware. Sega sells a fraction of this for their mainline Sonic games across all platforms.
Sonic not shouting “yes” while getting an extra life makes this unbuyable
Edit: y’all I just bought the game
True dat!
Lol
😠Good god, did they really fuck it up that much?😟
@@setsers1 yes
The second I didn't hear Amy's voice, I was like, "Yeah, no, refund." Makes zero sense
8:27 “…but losing Ice Cap is really giving fans a hard time.”
I see what you did there
I get it, because of Ice Cap and Hard Times 😆
Was about to comment this lol
Hard times, happiest day of my life, hard times gone by!!!!!!
I though this was a global warming joke lmao, took me a second to get the ACTUAL pun/joke 💀
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that reference. 😄
It's insane how, when you compare this to Sonic Mega Collection, how much more love there seems to be in the Mega Collection than here. Attention to details, etc. It's just. . .odd how lack luster Origins is. I agree 100% with bickuribox12 in that it's a good entry point for people to play the games (or again), and I certainly enjoyed playing through them, but the museum, the lack of options, and so on, just made the experience shallow and surreal in a way.
SEGA really can’t stop being its own worst enemy, huh?
Forget Mega Collection, what about Sonic Jam? Still easily the best Sonic collection ever made, it even had difficulty modes that changed the entire level layouts to be more forgiving and, crazy as it sounds, actually let you customize your experience or choose the original completely unaltered.
It was also made by the original Sonic Team, so all of the changes and additions were actually given a lot of thought and care. And unlike Mega Collection which was just emulation of a bunch of unaltered roms of the games, Sonic Jam's games were actually ported directly to the Saturn hardware. That's not even mentioning Sonic World. Yeah, Origins was nothing compared to Mega Collection, but neither of them even remotely compare to Jam.
@@themindfulmoron3790What’s funny is that in theory, this could’ve been a modernized Sonic Jam in a way, but… it just wasn’t.
"Losing Ice Cap is really giving fans a hard time"
Hah, I caught that. Also, great video.
Heh I saw it immediately.
@@supersaiyancommenter lmao i got that the first time
was literally about to comment that thanks Liam
If you don't know what he meant it's that ice cap sounds like the jetsson`s song "hard times"
It's not our happiest days of our life.
It's incredible that EVEN TO THIS DAY sega still goes out of their way to make things worse for no reason
Bethesda be like
*They had us in the first half*
@@Driftion2080 They had me with Origins, but not with Frontiers. Remember my words
Look at Phantasy Star New Genesis
@@LostSoulSilver honestly I've been feeling the same too, I'm not a turbo sonic fan but the early footage we got and the fact that this was bungled makes me expect it to be another forces
The dev team got screwed super hard too but I think that's common knowledge. I've not kept up if my outlook doesn't imply that, lmao
WELCOME TO SONIC TEAM, WE MAKE GAMES I THINK?
5:25
And thus, playable Amy was added into Sonic Origins Plus.
Sega Didn't Add Playable Amy In Sonic 1&2 (2013) Mobile tho
@@rocketbetanetwork25That isn't the point
I feel bad for the team from HeadCannon that worked on this. They kept begging Sega for more time but were denied repeatedly. They have offered to fix many bugs and continue working on the game but it seems Sega doesn't care. It's no wonder they were reusing assets wherever possible considering how much time Sega gave them to port these mobile versions.
Proof that Sega doesn't care about Sonic anymore.
Sega has been making bad decisions since the dreamcast
actually they finished the game and sega intentionally made it worse according to stealth
Sonic Boom all over again
@Lucha Luca That still dose not change the fact that sega screwed with bigredbuttons original vision of a new and lore heavy take on sonic
I'm convinced that Amy was supposed to be playable. All of the animations suggest that she was supposed to be there with the other playable characters. She would have also been a super interesting addition if they kept her Advance 1 mechanics.
I feel kind of opposite honestly. She's only in the animations because she kind of has to be, being a part of the intended driving force for CD as a whole, being her kidnapping. Considering her role in her whole game was simply "Girl" though, there wasn't exactly a lot they could do while still requiring including her in animations.
Would have been nice to include her though, especially for Sonic CD where she'd be able to get back at Metal Sonic herself.
@@GameAW1 If her sole existence in the game was because she's in CD... Then there was no need to include her in the ending sequence, where her ONLY contribution was with Metal Sonic himself. Yet, there she is, running with Knuckles, and smashing shit with her Peko Hammer that she gets in the later games (which did NOT exist during CD days), which also never happened in CD. This implied that Amy was planned to be playable. It's weird to have a splash art of the heroes fighting Eggman's evil schemes with a side character *that doesn't fight at all*.
@@kyotanaka920 She actually did have her hammer in the classic days. She first got it in Sonic the Fighters. And Amy is, despite her role in her home game, as iconic to CD as Metal Sonic, so she's pretty much a requirement. Plus she's literally the only good aligned character they could add to acknowledge CD's influence at all.
Fuck that. Amy was fuckin annoying to play as on Sonic Advance. I'm glad that annoying pink piece o shit wasn't added as a playable character.
I think someone meant that she doesn't even have it in CD by itself, as Sonic the Fighters is a spinoff meaning that she's not meant to be a fighter originally.
"It had promised to be the definitive version of sonic's classic titles wrapped in a convinient package for modern audiences"
"It had promised to be the definitive version of grand theft auto's classic titles wrapped in a convinient package for modern audiences"
8:12 -- Your absolutely raw delivery of *"TURN IT OFF"* has been living rent free in my head for a good while now
"Mods have already fixed this"
It really goes to show how Sega doesn't even *try* to figure out what we want, so we have to tell them ourselves
Or even worse, it took modders 1 day to fix those things. Just shows how rushed it was.
Sega has never been smart with their decision making. Sega japan is especially tone deaf on what we want out of sonic. They're the reason that this collection feels as incomplete as sonic genesis and sonic 06, two games from 16 years ago. You'd think sega would be smart enough to not make the same mistake again since that is what nearly killed sonic but no they seem to have forgotten.
@gizmo I mean, yeah, but that was way after this video, and this comment.
And not pay them anything for their work.
At least sega supports modding, unlike nintendo.
What confused me oddly is the ending cutscene of this game makes me feel like Amy WAS supposed to be playable, but as you said, Sega… Sega.
Also, I found out in Sonic 2, if you get 50 rings, complete a special stage, then restart the act… you can go into that same checkpoint and get another chaos emerald. Meaning you can get all emeralds as early as THE FIRST ACT OF EMERALD HILL ZONE.
And it makes me feel like that Mania only having STK excluding dlc and nobody saying crap about that was a stinkin joke.
Tell me you think its only bad if Sega doesnt do it without telling you think its only bad if Sega doesnt do it
You could always get them all on act 1, just go between 2 checkpoints repeatedly
@@arzfan29
No you couldn't. On the original Genesis version at least, there's only three checkpoints in Act 1 and four checkpoints in Act 2 to get all 7 emeralds by the end of Emerald Hill. This version messes it up because the reset has an oversight of wiping checkpoints even though they may have already been hit by the player but keeps any emeralds collected, so you can farm more than 3 emeralds in Act 1 which you're not supposed to do.
@@cullbear55 Actually, EHZ2 has _five_ checkpoints. So not only can you easily get all seven before you even reach Chemical Plant, you've actually got room to fail one of them and still get it done.
Granted, Sonic 3 isn't much better, considering how, with Sonic and Tails, you can get all 7 Chaos Emeralds before you're finished with Hydrocity Act 2, and all seven Super Emeralds before you've even left Mushroom Hill. Still, I suppose it's better than 1 and CD where you only get _one chance per Act._
If its anything like the mess Colors Ultimate was, then I'm guessing SEGA was only willing to shell out the bare minimum to port the mobile versions of the game to pc and consoles and add in a few pretty cutscenes.
Just seems to be a trend with companies trying to cut corners with remasters here and there
“Losing ice cap is a hard time”
I see what you did there.
to me sonic origins would've been PERFECT if they used the mania engine for all games in anniversary mode, added knuckles into ALL games, used the OG verions for classic mode, had the same music from s3&k, and added knuckles chaotix. keep all the game modes they have. I wouldve played that sh*t till i died. i knoew it seems like a lot but damn they've had A LOT of time to work on this one. im hoping there can be a small 3d compilation like mario 3d all stars...hopefully containing sonic 3d blast, sonic adventure and sonic adventure 2...i think that'd be the most realistic trio, i would play that sh*t till i die too.
They already used Retro Engine for Origins, and for graphics, it was using Hedgehog Engine 2.
Knuckles is playable in all games now
@@Alejandro333777 not in CD a
If you have watched the video would you know this as it is mentioned at 5:05
They used mania engine
@@mazkeraid4039maybe the fact that game is using 2 engines at once is why it turned out a disaster
Also, a thing that upsets me the most is the whole "New Playable Characters" and what's depicted in the new animations. In the final animation Amy is shown as someone capable of using her hammer to destroy spike pits and enemies keeping up with Knuckles, yet she's not even unlockable. It would've been such a nice and welcome addition, yet here we are.
Worst part is that all of the games have had her rom hacked in at this point, It's not like the blueprint wasn't there.
Perhaps she was intended. But the unforgiving deadline made them scrap her.
" new playable characters" is just knuckles and tails in sonic 2 :/
Sega hates classic Amy and the Advance games
@@recruit7416 and Sonic 1
Cutscenes can be skipped but you gotta press the B button for some reason.
Huh. Neat
That's kinda stupid tho, why is it mapped to B when other video games lets you skip cutscenes when you press the 'Start' button.
Seems I mashed every button EXCEPT the right one. Thanks for clearing that up haha
@@ultraninja_19 I can do that!
@@ultraninja_19 but only for The Switch. If your PC, Xbox or PS5. I’m Sorry
I swear unless things change, nothing will ever beat Sonic Jam's presentation and overall quality.
Sure Jam has issues of its own, but Christ on a bike...
So glad you’re finally getting the props you deserve and I think this is only the start been watching you for years now. Keep this up!!!
If I had a nickel for every time Sega released a game without it being necessarily done or to the satisfaction of fans, I'd have at least a couple rolls of nickels.
I think the Ryu Ga Gotoku studio, is the only Sega propety that releases finished games without any day 1 issues
@@brunocampos8640 i agree, RGG are definitely one of (if not the only) studio at Sega that actually makes games of quality. Every now and then Sega will drop something cool but most of the time its a pretty safe bet that theyll make a banger
@@brunocampos8640 RGG studios does some good stuff for sure, they did have some issues on the 3 to 5 ports though. Stuff that made game breaking AIs though, they did patches a few things here and there however.
But yeah, the team behind them are really good on quality!
If you had a dollar for every time any company did this, you'd probably be making more than minimum wage.
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I genuinely want to slap everyone at sega and give them a wake up call, this is ridiculous. All because they NEEDED it out on sonics anniversary. If origins got a little more time in development, and if the developers didn’t make everything locked behind a stupid ass paywall, we could have had a gem on our hands. Give it up for SEGA everyone!!!
Like cmon. Atleast it ain’t 3d all stars.
its not the devs fault its SEGA the devs do whatever the company wants sega is know for rushing games which blows my mind how people can somehow get hyped from a company KNOWN for doing bs.
@@qua_xor3348 3d all stars is bad, but at least they're the definitive way to play sunshine and galaxy. Sonic 3 is the only reason you'd get origins, sonic 1 & 2's mobile versions have been ported to pc, along with the mobile release of cd ironically, so you can still play that version (because haha funny delist sonic cd!). And even then, sonic 3 A.I.R. exists, and that doesn't have some of the glaring issues in origins like the DAMN SUPER EMERALD RESET BUG.
Sega always ruins and butchers every Sonic game before a Sonic anniversary. It's so embarrassing. 🤦♀️
This type of laziness showcases why Sega almost went out of business tbh.
This was a really insightful video and honestly it definitely pays to wait for a few patches before digging into this one. It's a shame it couldn't have been a perfect release from Sega, especially at that price point. It is eye-wateringly high given today's financial markets around the world. Still, good effort from the developers to try their best to make the experience a good one. I look forward to getting it when it's on sale.
9:06 the main menu text at the top left corner: you didint have to cut me off-
Imagine having the best, most hardworking sonic fans at your disposal, the guys gals and others who made one of your best games to DATE, and you treat them like shit to rush some ports of their favorite retro games. For shame Sega.
Imagine having all this knowledge of the situation and still rushing out to buy these games. Sega will continue to do this because they know fans foam at the mouth from anything with the word Sonic in it.
It's all Whitehead and crews fault. They had how many years to fix all the crap they did wrong. But no. They whine and cry cause they "weren't allowed to fix it"
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Pathetic idiots. Sega should force their asses to do the fixes and not pay them for it. Cause fuck Whitehead and crew for making such shitty remasters.
>"Guys, gals, and others"
Lol. Lmao.
@@LAST_STAND_FAN cope
@@LAST_STAND_FAN I found the 4chan user
“I was all ready to jam out to Sonic Boom when I slammed, head first, into a cold, corporate silence”. Can we all just take the time to appreciate that line. 😂
Also TURN IT O-
that’s my experience with sonic boom even though it has nothing to do it’s it
@@Man_Aslume 8:12
i have no idea why, but hearing your voice just makes feel soothed.
Awesome, in-depth, and definitely entertaining review which definitely helped give me a better understanding of what the game consists of. ❤️🔥👍
The bug that bothers me the most so far is Tails not de-spawning when off screen in Sonic 2, and having to listen to him jump until something kills him or loading the boss culls the rest of the stage.
Especially since story mode locks you into Sonic & Tails mode.
That’s definitely what annoys me the most too, eventually i found that repeatedly calling Tails to come and carry Sonic was the only way I could get him back on the screen without enduring jump noises the whole level lol
Here's another great Tails glitch in Sonic 2: if you break open a capsule and then make Tails fly, so that he starts to run out of flying energy just as the screen fades to black and the next level begins, his flying sound effect will play in the background for the whole game.
ESPECIALLY since it's a fucking $40+ remaster...like "we remastered it!" Bullshit! At least give the games some polish...smh...
???? You can play Sonic 2 on Origins without Tails lmao
@@B-Side.72 Not in story mode, as I say in the comment.
So glad I watched this. I thought I was going crazy I couldn't get into the room with the chaos ring in it in the second level of Sonic 3. Shame on them man. I still payed 45.00 for it though.
this is absolutely the best review of a modern sonic game I have ever seen, have a like & sub my guy!
The fact that they didn't make a classic knuckles to put on S3&K island is unacceptable.
Wait! He's NOT THERE!?!?!
Not even the eyes in bushes from cover?
@@henryapplebottom7231 No.
I got to say it feels like Amy was supposed to be playable considering she was on the box art and she was in the final animated cutscene.
Once again it falls to fans to do what Sega don't, just as it was with her absence in Mania.
Yeah same here. It bothers me to no end that she is not playable, despite being represented so much in the collection. The box art, intro and outro video really seem to be hinting that alongside Sonic, Tails and Knuckles, she's playable as well.
You do realize Amy was there cuz of CD right?
And Mania (fan made game) had STK excluding DLC yet you dont say crap about that? Gtho with "Origins bad for not having Amy and Mania good with only STK at launch" bullcrap
Amy really seems to be portrayed in Origins as if she was supposed to be playable, which she isn't and that fact bothers me. The thought of being able to play through these games as Amy sounds really cool, and it would add more value in the collection. For example in the Origins outro cutscene you can see Amy fighting against baddies with her hammer alongside Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles. This made it seem like all 4 were playable, but no. It feels like such a tease.
I agree. The marketing even mentioned "new playable characters" but they were probably just talking about playing as tails and Knuckles in sonic 1 and Knuckles in sonic 2.
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I don’t know how tou do it, but I’ve watched the video like 10 times, yet it never gets old
I'm very impressed by this video's script. You somehow manage to sound upbeat and positive while criticizing a game, resulting in a nice vibe. This is something I've struggled with
honestly i watch alot of ppl who sound upbeat and positive while criticizing something
if you mean "mad asf" by "upbeat and positive"
Yeah that stood out to me. He's very level-headed about everything and not just ranting or drawing conclusions. He gives credit where it's due, and it comes off as fair as a result
@@Sykroid Giving due credit is easy enough in contrast to everything else frankly.
Like how I actually _liked_ some episodes of Teen Titans Go. If I ever review any episodes from that show, they will probably be related to the song "The Night Begins to Shine" and maybe a few episodes from the first season, just because I have nothing to say about the rest of the show that I feel worth saying. Wonder whatever happened to that spinoff we were promised.
@@Sykroid if you know anything about him, he's been covering rotmg which has been in a constant decline for years so, it comes easy
Not really
Seems a lot of people are unaware of this, but there are extra options in the cheat screens. By performing the level select on Sonic 1 you CAN play as Sonic & Tails, as well as adding Sonic 3 powerups to the game and adding a 7th Chaos Emerald (with a truly frustrating bonus stage!)
However, we really should not have to use a level select to get these options... And I haven't checked the other games yet.
This isn’t news you could do this in the 2013 remaster which makes me not want to play this at all since I have all 4 of these games on my phone
fucking genius of sega to rerelease a remake again.
(a true sadx momnent)
why remove features from a remaster from 9 years earlier
@Dre
Tell me about it, I still have all of these games in cartridge form and my Genesis, all of which you can get for roughly the same price this asks for...I don't understand why anyone bought this collection unless they don't have the TV to play it on.
Odds are you can also bluetooth a controller to your phone and get a cable to do HDMI out on your phone for less than $10...why does this exist lol
@@mustangmckraken1150 you can still play all these games through emulation on pc or even just downloaded rom hacks which adds more features than any of these games. I think the problem is the timing and how they previously did rereleases. 1 and 2 have been rereleased so many times now to the point where it doesn’t feel special. 3 is the only one I considered getting this collection for but then I saw the problems and didn’t buy it. Sonic 3 AIR is the superior version of it and the pricing is too high for 4 Genesis games that can be played anywhere
It's insane to me that something this rough along the edges exists, when Sonic Mega Collection existed 20 years ago and was mostly great.
As someone who only bought sonic 1, 2 and 3 on steam, it's a big relief that CD has the least problems.
A quick little thing I will say is that you CAN skip cutscenes... but its mapped to the B Button for some reason.
Was gonna say the same thing lol. I knew they wouldn't make you watch the cutscenes every playthrough so I tested it on the intro and just spammed buttons until it skipped lol
Did they just keep the control configuration from the Switch version over into Xinput? Or is on A on the switch too?
I can skip cutscenes when i press plus
@@RAFMnBgaming It's B to skip FMVs in the Switch version.
that's both funny and mischievous
I know it's really nitpicky, but the thing that bothered me the most was honestly the single motion from start to electric shield in Marble Garden 1. Hitting a ceiling pillar in the new version made me just go "oh" when it happened. Especially because it's one of my favourite zones from Sonic 3.
hol' up, Marble Garden Zone fans exist?
@@dreamareakoso3791 yes, i like it
Sonic 3 A.I.R. feels more accurate to Sonic 3 than this bugfest. You should give that a whirl instead. You also get the original OST (emulated from the original game's ROM), the same OST remastered, Original Sonic 3 music (miniboss, Knuckles' theme and main menu music), achievements, and the actual beta music, on top of the drop dash and super peel-out, extended camera. I could go on, but the list is so long it's not even funny. You're gonna spend an hour or so in the settings
I despise Marble Garden, not because of its premise, or obstacles, but its weird verticality.
@@davidfodre1375 I have for the past two years
Nice video man, clear and concise explanation! Thanks a lot!
Sonic Mega Collection is better than this..
There’s not a better combination than a passionate dev team ready to make a great Sonic Game and SEGA rushing it to increase their stocks
@@tdenzel101 sega does what nintendoes
@@tdenzel101 Because they actually stopped doing that for a bit so we had hope it wasn't just a phase!!!!
@@tdenzel101 During the Mania period, when they started to listen to fans and even delayed it to make sure the team has enough time and etc... with many cool project made by people loving the series, so i was like "they learnt their lesson" but they got way too much confident and done this mistake again
@@tdenzel101 🤡
guys, am i the only one who cant understand what @@tdenzel101 is on about?
One thing I wanna add to the topic brought up at around 10:53 is that the movement locking when jumping out of a Spin Dash or ball was actually also in the original Sonic 1, 2, and 3&K as well and not exclusive to the mobile ports, which means SEGA put the Drop Dash into these games without taking the original mechanics into account.
It would’ve been an easy fix too. Just have it to where your movement unlocks when you use it, which is something the Insta-Shield already does in the case of 3&K. It just comes off as SEGA slapped the Drop Dash onto S1 and 2 without much afterthought.
Mods have fixed it on pc
Thank god im not the only one who noticed the movement locking
For me i have issues with sometimes the lightning shield sometimes doesn’t double jump.
@@zebitus5731 Thing is, mods shouldn't be needed.
@@zebitus5731 only this makes all the console versions garbage in comparison.
Never seen your videos before but honestly? subbed because of your voice. It's weirdly satisfying lol
Glad I waited for the physical release, I'm hoping a lot of the issues you mentioned get fixed. I'll have to wait and see once my copy for ps5 comes in the mail in June.
It’s really sad how this turned out, because without the bugs, I’d say this is easily worth the price of admission. But man, this was so clearly rushed. It’s sad that SEGA has learned nothing from how this business practice nearly killed the franchise in the past.
True
This is bullshit...Do better, Sega. Wtf?
Rushed oh shut up this would’ve came out a year ago rushed my ass
Why does SEGA always rush their games? They make them less interesting.
@@fedexnagant1422 the 06 syndrome unfortunately is still a thing
Okay, Sega, here's how to make an excellent Sonic compilation release in the modern day:
Just release Mega Collection Plus and Gems Collection as a single purchase that people can make on modern systems. And launching it just opens a menu that lets you pick 'Mega Collection Plus' or 'Gems Collection', and then boots up whichever you picked.
That's it. You don't have to do anything else. You could even charge full price for it and have paid DLC, because that would still be a good deal for the amount of games on offer.
I agree with this. Especially since Sonic Origins was such a poor collection.
Yeah... but Sega of Japan is extraordinarily obstinate so unless they should put aside their differences, nothing is going to move forward.
No, just fix this one. Those are just emulated versions. If anything they should port Sonic Jam.
@@airfoemoe Emulated versions are faithful to the original experience, unlike Origins which has a bunch of jank changes. I'd prefer the former.
@@the-point-bearer6689 It's been 31 years by now-
We NEED to get this Vid to 1 MIL
Man I literally thought I was crazy after trying 23894234523 times to reach that big ring in Hydrocity Zone that you speak of at 9:31! I'm glad this is cleared :D
Between Colors and this its amazing how Sega can fuck up the absolute safest Sonic projects
How is it that a 16-bit 4 game collection from the early 90s managed to end up as another rush job by Sega and Sonic team?! Astounding. If they couldn’t even get this right, I have little to no faith in Frontiers
let's face it sega just doesn't have it anymore lol
@@EDifyer881 They haven't had it since the early 2000s.
@@Squishito and after sega decided to stop making consoles and start making games for its competitors, sonic games have been hit or miss
Sonic Team didn’t work on this. It was tackled by two different developers & Sega with little to no communication between everyone. If you read what Stealth wrote on Twitter about the bugs, they had a really strict deadline to adhere to, there was issues adapting the Retro Engine for Sonic 3&K and most of the bugs that showed up came from the other developer when they were integrating their code into what they were working on.
Like what was said on the video, it should have been a home run but too many cooks spoiled the broth.
@@b3ans4eva either way no matter who worked on it sega and team sonic have both lost their touch when it comes to sonic and yes you're right there's too many chefs and not enough cooks this unfortunately has been going on for just about 30 years with sega
I bought Mega Collection+ in protest of this game.
is it a bad thing that wacky workbench was, and still is among my favorite stages of the entire sonic franchise? I don't know why, but I just love wacky workbench with a passion...
I'm currently playing Sonic CD but I hate that stage because I don't understand it (the flashing floor is annoying)
The ending for Sonic CD was originally sped up for Sonic Jam, as a sneaky way of combining both the good ending and the bad ending animations without outlasting the music. Through some cartoonish level of incompetence, this somehow found its way into Sonic Origins, totally destroying the intended tone and pace of the final scene. The animation is so clearly overclocked that I can’t imagine how SEGA didn’t rectify this.
While I’m hopeful that a few patches could iron certain issues out, others seem to be actual choices SEGA made, like removing all of CD’s voice clips and hiding features in the debug menus. The fact they even removed the level select features from the iOS ports tells me that SEGA had no interest in matching Christian Whitehead’s level of quality and attention to detail. But what else is new.
Wow Thank you for JUST BEING WIKIPEDIA.
Plus Sonic CD was Not in Sonic Jam.
Sonic 1, 2, 3 & Knuckles was There.
But a Japanese TV AD for Sonic CD was there…
Look like Sonic Team Didn’t Know About Copyright.
PSP and PSV is dumb.
They Banned Sonic 3.
Yeah.
BUT THEY DID THAT WITH SONIC AND KNUCKLES EVEN THO THERE WAS NO COPYRIGHT. Some how I got Sonic 3 and Sonic And Knuckles in My Xbox 360
BEFORE SEGA delisted the Games Too!
Free Money!
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That was a rick roll.
HOW ARE YOU STILL READING THIS
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@@someoneidk3212 Umm what? They don't sound like Wikipedia in the slightest
@@someoneidk3212 2 "Paragraphs" (Literally 6 sentences) == Wikipedia article apparently
it really upset me, because the whole pacing of "Cosmic Eternity" was ruined by it. you had the gentle mystical tones opening while Little Planet started returning to normal, and you had Sonic completely destroy Eggman with a rock right when the other instruments were kicking in. With all the credits this version has, there is no reason to not have it at normal speed.
It’s so strange that Sega has been constantly screwing up Sonic ports nowadays. Especially the classics. They did it right with Sonic Jam and Mega Collection, why is it so hard to make a rerelease worth the price of admission?
Nowadays ? They've been doing since Sonic GBA and that was back in 2006 ;-;
That would require time and money, much easier to just rush a hack job remaster out the door with minimal changes and force everyone to buy it by nuking any other way of getting games digitally out of existence
@@Capydapy I did forget about Sonic Genesis. Could you really blame me though? It’s Sonic Genesis.
@@michaelc.8712 actually the games in Jam were Ported, not emulated. So they had rebuilt the games from the ground up for Jam as well
Hell even the DS one was right
Here's hoping Plus fixes all of these issues that the comp had. I know I didn't buy it because of so many little negatives and nitpicks that I knew as an experienced player that I would notice, but playable Amy has my eyes glued to it now.
Great video! I play Origins every other day and really enjoy it. I definitely noticed many glitches that differ from the og games that have a negative impact. Like everyone else, I'm not happy with the music in #3, I hope they get the rights to add them back in, also it would be great to see the items you touched on patched for us. It would be amazing if they added Amy a playable character. Thanks!
“Generally games get cheaper the more time passes”
Please explain this concept to Nintendo, sir.
Fuck, some Nintendo games seem to get MORE expensive
Call of Duty: *looks away*
so nintendocore of them to still have games like mario kart 8 deluxe (base mk8 being almost a decade old) at full price ✨60USD/80CAD✨
The gamecube: Sorry sir I don't speak this langage
There's actually a reason for that. Miyamoto (or Iwata I don't remember) said in an interview that they don't put big games on sale as they believe that people who buy the game on sale and people who buy it day one will be angry that they get the same amazing experience, but one has to pay less. Which is great because everyone gets it equal and pays the same amount... But ass when you realise that we're 5 years down the line and Botw is still £60.
8:27 I see what you did there.
I see what he did there too
I saw what he did as well
Even though we did get a major patch for this game, the title of your video is still correct, "Sonic Origins is Not Finished"
Lmao hi ! 3/23/2023 I just saw this video and literally they just announced a plus version of it. I don’t know how good it will be lol only time will tell Hi people from the past.
Hello, future time traveler! 👍🏻
They also changed one of the best things from the Sonic 2 mobile port. In Air Base Zone you don't die from the 2 launchers after the platform section. You just get hopped to the other platform. In origins though they brought the terrible cheap death back.
Wait really? I wasn't able to die at that section unless u was holding away from the platform
They must have added the airspeed cap back in, then.
It's called Wing Fortress Zone.
That’s not even the worst. They removed proto palace
@@FionnH proto palace? what's that? You sure you don't mean hidden palace? That's still in the game.
"Should've been an easy home run" seems like the most common phrase in gaming now.
Nobody can do the polish, anymore.
Everyone is doing average work.
What happened to competition?
Why is corporate meddling even MORE common than it used to be?
Why is a sonic rerelease so hard for Sega to figure out???
Literally this and more...what ever happened to just making a good game day 1 and moving on, making SOME MONEY and being satisfied and objectively successful with that? Why is greed so rampant these days?
It's due to the gaming industry being flooded with children, normies, casuals and youtubers.
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 because now money is everything.
"Nobody can do polish anymore"?
what?
capitalism, the answer is capitalism. the workers are underpaid and overworked by big boss that does literally nothing and gets mountains of money. we can have band-aid solutions by forcing reform, but the only true way to fix these issues is to abolish the exploitative system.
I was scared after colors ultimate but now my fears have come true. A once “near” flawless, hardworking team has gone lazy and yet more money hungry than ever before smh
"Losing "Ice Cap" is really giving fans a hard time"
I see what you did there.
I wonder how many other people saw what he did there too
@@TheFlenen Liam Triforce's more popular comment is the evidence how many :)
I think it's really telling that they removed other versions of the game to force newcomers into this one. Almost like they're admitting this isn't a big enough deal to make you decide to go for it compared to the originals. But toggle options for everything and proper save states should've been included as a bare minimum. Other than that I just think it's a shame it wasn't a physical collection. I thought the initial announcement was such a big deal because it'd be the first physical release in a long time, not JUST because they were releasing Sonic3&K again. And while that's certainly the best version of the game, it's odd they don't let you play them separately like in prior collections. I wonder if that's because of MJ's involvement with Sonic 3's standalone credits.
But hey, Sonic Colors Ultimate didn't even add a toggle for the soundtrack until well-after I 100% completed the game--I didn't even know they added that until recently. So between that and what happened with Mania Plus, I feel good about holding out for a physical release down the line that will fix and address many of the complaints.
what happened with sonic mania plus?
@@mcloughlinguy4127 I'm just referring to how Sonic Mania launched as a digital-only title but eventually got a physical release with bonus content. Sorry if the wording was confusing
Literally did the same thing rock star did by removing the older games from being purchased and can only play the new stuff
@Chainmaster34 all they had to do was port the classics over and not change anything but maybe update the graphics
@TheDoctor DB
Physical releases are incredibly expensive for studios and have even put a few under (this is why Glover 2 never released)
They weren't sure the numbers would justify the cost of a physical release, which is why we didn't get one until down the road. They weren't trying to screw anyone over
Who came back here after the Sonic Origins plus announcement?
I love your sonic videos a lot
Fun fact:
*You can unlock Super Sonic in Sonic 2 in Origins by Emerald Hill ACT 1. Yes.*
Basically, once you hit all the checkpoints and you've obtained all the emeralds for them, you can hit "Restart" in Anniversary Mode and it'll reset the checkpoints whilst retaining your number of emeralds, pretty much allowing you to grind all 7 at the *very start of the game for free* .
💀💀💀💀
You can also do it in the original game by getting a time over
you can do that in original without restarting (there are enough checkpoints in the level)
If you can do that many special stages in a row without going insane.
@@thevioletbee5879 And not just any special stages, Sonic 2 special stages.
I am so glad I already owned CD and set up Sonic Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, and Sonic 3 A.I.R. before this came out. Those are absolutely the definitive ways to play these games on PC, even if they don't have the convenience of coming in one collection.
There is no point to Origins when these already exist. They should have just payed the makers of those to put them in a bundle, tweaked them to add the boss rush and mirror mode, and called it a day.
@@Schnort Even without those ROM hacks, Sega has already ported over the classic games several times over on multiple devices over the past decade. Hell, the entirety of Sonic 1 can be played in Generations. At this point, it's redundant. Kinda wish they'd start porting over other games besides the Genesis games, like the games on Game Gear, the Advance/Rush series, etc.
@@ajgameguy3674 the goal of origins was to get newcomers from the movie to get interested in older sonic games. I guess it works, but it's a bad first experience.
I wish Chaotix was ported. The sound track was there but not the game? Chaotix needs to be ported so they can change some things like the roulette level select system; keep it the same except you won't repeat a level until all the other ones have been played at least once. This would help with the weird jumping in difficulty.
Just. Give Chaotix what it deserves.
I really need to setup Sonic Forever and 2 Absolute...again (and play the actual Steam port of CD... which I bought like 2 or 3 years ago with a Sonic franchise deal back then, and got a sigh of relief when Sega announced the RIPpironi of the games on Steam 1 month before Origins release because I already had them all).
That does kinda sound mildly disrespectful to Christian Whitehead since he was the one who made the 1, 2, and CD ports on mobile and Origins as well as Mania. Sure, there are as good as official ports can get (a bit higher than usual but still far below the fan’s capabilities), but for those who aren’t really into downloading fangames or aren’t PC or mobile gamers, there was probably some demand for these CH ports to come to mobile, and so, Origins does just that.
Half a year has passed and nothing changed
8:29
You made this joke, and moved on, so subtly.
You earned a like just for making that Hard Times reference.
A bug I hope never gets patched out is in the boss rush. If you lose all your lives, hit no when it asks you to retry, then hit continue on the main menu you will be at the boss that you lost your last life to. Essentially giving you unlimited lives. This was the only way I could beat the boss rush mode for each game.
Well that just seems kind of counterintuitive to what the mode was designed for. Boss rush with unlimited lives just removes the challenge in it.
@@warv6552 Well don't take advantage of it then. Honest to god whenever someone complains that a game is too easy or that something is gamebreakingly broken it mesmerizes me that they can never come to the conclusion that they don't _have_ to use it.
@@curlybrace4984 he never said he was going to use it. He just said it’s counterintuitive which is objective truth. And he didn’t even insult the guy for his skill he just kept it moving
@@curlybrace4984 WAAAAH I PAID 40 DOLLARS FOR TRASH AND CAN'T ADMIT THERE'S BAFFLINGLY STUPID GLITCHES IN MY GARBAGE PRODUCT
@@thatitalianlameguy2235 Pokemon community moment
Isn't it not amazing how a collection from 1997, Sonic Jam, has more room for tweaking the game to how the player wants than a collection from 2022. Like it doesn't rope you into playing it this one way, and ONLY this one way to get all the bells and whistles, as it allowed you to
turn on or off the Spin Dash from Sonic 1
turn off the time limit from Sonic 1-3&K
change the difficulty setting from Easy, Normal (basically the Anniversary mode) or Original (as the game was originally released)
And you mix and match with the various settings to however you want, even while playing in Original. And these things couldn't be added into Origins because...?
Also with the removal of Sonic talking in CD, I can't help but wonder if they're trying to rewrite history.
"Oh, don't you know! Sonic NEVER spoke back then!"
To fit in with what they have with that bad tribute act they try passing off as Sonic from the 90s in Generations and Forces.
God I hate that they keep pushing that "Sonic didn't talk" motif in recent years. The only reason he didn't talk in most of the classic games is because of technical limitations, not because he's a mute. Like in almost every other media of sonic in that era he's talking and wise-cracking all the time with that care-free attitude he's known for.
It made even less sense as Classic tails and Eggman talk non-stop in generations, like how tf does that work?Now you're telling me they're doubling down on this mute classic sonic nonsense by removing his voicelines from CD? What is SEGA smoking?
Man, 1997 really was a good year
@@thegungerbrospodcast7671 I know they wanted Classic Sonic to talk. They considered Jaleel White, but never contacted him. Would have made sense since he was the iconic voice of Classic Sonic overseas. Not so much in Japan, though. And since Classic Sonic never had a voice in Japan as consistent as Jaleel White was overseas, their hands were tied.
They had to either make a call to ask Masato Nishimura to return as Sonic, find a new voice or scrap the idea altogether. I would theorize that was their thought process on why Jaleel White was just a thought.
@@Medachod But here's the thing about the whole generations thing that is so weird, no-one was ever contacted to voice classic sonic including Jaleel White or any of the other Sonic VA's throughout the years, so it seems they didn't plan to give him a voice in the first place.
To back up my statement, Mike Pollock and Colleen voiced both the classic and modern versions of their characters so why didn't they do the same for Roger as well? Like the only real difference between Modern and Classic is their design as they are both 15 years old still so it wouldn't matter lol.
It seems to me that they didn't want to bring back Classic Sonic as Sonic, but instead have him act as the cute and silent little Brother for Modern Sonic which really sucks honestly.
@@Medachod Sonic had a voice in Japan, look at the Sonic Anime OVA
Hoping the patch (or further patches) corrects a lot of this. I have some of my own qualms about it, one of which goes back to the mobile releases. I think those mobile versions are the definitive versions but there are a few hiccups. Being able to get a few hits in as the boss in Green Hill Zone first descends is classic and they shouldn't have taken that away. Also, some of the fly enemies in Aquatic Ruin Zone in Sonic 2 fly onto the screen a bit early.
I still like how this compilation gave us a newly remastered version of sonic 3 and knuckles in it along with sonic cd and sonic 1 and 2
I don't get how Sega manages to fail at everything. You'd think after getting poor reception on 5 unfinished games in a row, they might try harder to make something beyond mediocre.
When Sonic Generations came out...i really had optimism for the future of the season.
Hah, those were good times!
Frontiers gives me that hope again
At least Superstars seems to continue what Frontiers and Murder left us
@@Hugo-yz1vbwtf is "Murder" lmao
@@toters2724 The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog, was it not obvious?
@Hugo-yz1vb OHH I THOUGHT YOU MEANT SOMETHING ELSE LMAO
I think Sega actually took inspiration because in plus they added Amy as a playable, character and knuckles in Sonic CD
And that is pretty much all they added
The barrel of doom💀💀 1:52
SEGA fired the only people who have made a good Sonic game in a long time. Great job!
I'm willing to say Sega either doesn't like Genesis/32X/Game Gear Sonic titles, and prefers 3d Sonic, or they dislike others producing successful Sonic titles reminiscent of the Genesis/Game Gear/32X titles.
Something that would have boosted the value of this collection tremendously would be if classic mode was actual emulation of the Genesis/Mega Drive classics, also unlocking them in the Genesis/Mega Drive collection they released previously if you didn't already have them. Also, bundling the previous Steam version of CD in as a separate library item you get with it for free. Yeah, the price bump would be annoying, but at least these versions of the games would still be legally accessible, along with all the rom hacks and fan creations such as Sonic 3 AIR that have been made by the community over the years. Them not doing anything even remotely like this feels like a huge middle finger to the fanbase, throwing our fan creations under the bus for a frankly unfinished collection that desperately needs polishing.
I have a suggestion, stop caring about "legally accessible" when it comes to sega because it's clear that they don't wanna make a fair trade and just wanna scam you.
@@mups4016 I have a suggestion. Don't stoop down to their level and become a criminal just because you're irritated. Demand change, don't be content with having to resort to crime.
@@mups4016 Don't listen to him, piracy is based and morally correct when it comes to shitty companies that don't care about delivering a quality product.
@@Crow_Rising It's always morally correct to pirate from garbage companies that constantly spit on you :^)
@@nova_archive If you don't think the product is quality then why would you commit a crime to obtain it? Just don't buy it. Speak out against it, and move on.
“If you’re locking content behind a paywall before it’s even out, you may need to be incarcerated.”
Well that aged wonderfully now didn’t it.
The worst part is always that these games are 30 years old. The thought that any glitches are here is a fucking absurdity. Besides that you can actually activate some settings to make the games more faithful like turning off spindash or patched spikes in Sonic 1, but you have to enter a cheat code. TO MAKE THE CLASSIC MODE WORK, YOU HAVE TO KNOW A CHEAT CODE.
To cover the early Denuvo point, the menu slowdown / memory leak disappeared from Mania when it was removed so that gives credibility to the idea it's what's happening in Origins too.
Since being called out on slowing down gameplay where framerate matters, Denuvo have endeavoured to have "no impact on the paying customer" by having it cause slowdown in the other times (read: menus) instead.
They can endeavour all they want, theres still only one realistic way of not producing such horrendous slowdown, and thats to not use the system theyre using.
Denuvo is a waste of time cause hackers gonna hack no matter what
@@robertharper3114 Denuvo isnt supposed to completely stop pirates. It is supposed to give a buffer so that people would rather buy the game instead of pirate it because it takes awhile. I think most games remove Denuvo once the game is cracked.
@@gentlecat2210 yes except all denovo versions have the same inherent flaw that gets exploited through previous versions. Also idk about most games, but Ubisoft is very insistent that it causes no issues years after their stuff is cracked.
@@gentlecat2210 it took them well over a year to remove denuvo from mania though. I was playing a cracked copy of mania a week after launch. Cancelled my pre-order when I heard it was coming with denuvo
To be entirely honest, I was actually looking forward to playing Sonic 3 with versions of the prototype music. Carnival Night especially is a case where I actually _preferred_ the prototype music to the final version. But these adaptations they had Jun Senoue do are just plain worse than the songs in the prototype. Carnival Night, my favorite prototype song, is now my _least_ favorite song in the entire Sonic 3 soundtrack. And it just left me wishing they would've just used the prototype songs as they were.
This is the kind of fan we need! I'm interested in a premium experience from your point of view because it's not unreasonable at all. Great video.
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@@Man_Aslume And most importantly: we gives his own opinion he doesn't act like it's the only valid one or the absolute truth and that if you disagree you're an idiot. He's literally perfect for this!
@@Man_Aslume That's why the word "objectivity" is unkown here. Because nobody can put their nostalgia and personal bias aside to give an actually fair argument.
@@Hugo-yz1vb
He calls it not finished in his title
"Alright, does it still work? ... Yep." Gave me a good laugh.
One thing I never see mentioned is Sonic 3 & Knuckles' new sprites. They actually made new sprites for the game. For example, in the original, Super Sonic shared a few sprites with normal Sonic, just with a yellow color pallet. Here, Super Sonic never reuses normal Sonic's sprites. The new sprites fit the original style so well, most don't even notice them there.
The guys behind the game have acknowledged that there were problems, they even told SEGA the version they submitted was not ready to release, SEGA refused to let them fix it. Headcannon even stated that most of the bugs people are complaining about aren't even the ones they knew about. I'm pretty sure this is happening because Chris Whitehead's team beat the ever living shit out of SEGA when Sonic Mania came out with Forces, and Mania was gold but Forces tanked. Now, they're pissed off and trying to make Headcannon look like shit. SEGA's starting to look worse than Nintendo at this point.
I don’t think it’s got anything to do with spite. It’s just that just like with Colours Ultimate, Sega wanted a Sonic game to drop while the movie’s success was fresh in people’s minds. Expect this to happen again a few months after Sonic 3 drops
sega does what nintendon't?..
Sega is like that gif of the boy on the bike putting a stick in his own tire. And then they do it over and over and over… and over
I thought a company's goal was to make money?
No, probably just greed. It's always greed
Im go glad that katie informed people that a patch is coming
Dear Michael, it's you that make register for youtube, I follow your tutorial from bilibili to your channel here and I'll continue to support
"But losing Ice Cap is giving everyone a hard time."
HARD TIMES, HAPPIEST DAYS OF MY LIFE
HARD TIMES ARE MINE.
ermm actually its "hard times gone by" :////
Delisting the games separately is the only think I consider unacceptable. I think it goes against what sega has build for the last few years, making sonic and their genesis library as accesible as possible.
I am truly starting to hate the practice of selling retro games exclusively in bundles. Bundles are supposed to be a way of paying less money by buying multiple things at once. Imagine if other mediums worked like that, if you could only buy toy story 2 if you buy all four movies together.
It is bizarre that classic mode runs on the new engines, sega has already developed multiple sega genesis emulatores, they should've been just the roms with save states enabled. I mean if you are not allowing you to mix and match between classic and anniversary, at list they could have offer the true classic experience
I actually like the addition of coins, getting currency by playing retro games and then spending that currency in a store is I think a good risk reward system that can replace lives to some extent.
I hate games replacing lives all together ignoring all the components of the games that contributed to the lives system, like rings, live boxes and lives as a reward for exploration and risks.
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Something similar to this happened with the old GTA games, rockstar delisted the games featured in GTA definitive edition, meaning that you were forced to buy definitive to play the old games unless you already had them.
@@SpitzThe Yeah... It is so dumb, and many times I've wanted to play just one game in a series or I own every game except for that single one. But then they release them like this... exclusively in a bundle with a inflated price
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3:02 *GTA TRILOGY "DEFINITIVE" EDITION FLASHBACKS BEGIN*
When I wasn't able to get that one special ring in hydrocity I said out loud "No... no way they actually broke this." And then I wasted about 4 minutes trying to get it. Then my disappointment only grew when I noticed the muffled audio and the start of marble garden being broken.
The “new playable characters “ got me