“Blackwood, Bracken and Mallister houses who had never been ruled from Winterfell yet Catlyen watched them rise, draw their blades, bending their knees and shouting the old words” Love the loyalty the Riverlords had for Robb
@@andrewwavington9025the very lord of the trident and all the lords and kings of trident before him couldn't end the brackens and blackwoods feud, am not arguing that Robb did, but I completely agree with op about brackens and blackwoods declaring a northerner their king on the same day in the same location and almost simultaneously, was nothing short of miraculous.... Robb was almost rhaegar like in some aspects... people once they joined him, joined him until the very bitter end... and that's the loyalty that very few people could earn
@@DMES-wp2fjI love how its the Northmen who completely shutdown that idea. Back to back to back the Northern lords just shit on the idea of staying passive, love it lmao
@@kngoepe4200 right that’s completely understandable. War was inevitable the second ned was killed. BUT, let the price of Ned’s head be half of the kingdom. The second rob was crowned he should have been focused on fighting a defensive war and protecting the north and river lands. He was trying to make an offensive push so that he could put Joffery to the sword and make him face Justice. AND it was during his OFFENSIVE in the westerlands that he met jeyne westerling and ultimately lost the Frey’s and cemented the red wedding. AND if he wasn’t fighting that offensive Caitlyn wouldn’t have been alone with the king slayer and wouldn’t be able to set him free. Ultimately that Frey gave Robb some TOP TIER council and if he would have listened to it he would be king of the north with his Frey wife and all the houses of the north and river lands as his subjects. Hell I don’t even think the iron born would’ve attacked the north if the northmens army weren’t off fighting in the westerlands. It’s just so many things that could’ve been avoided bro
@@santiogo369 Robb attacked the Westerlands because he had heard of a new Lannister army being marshalled to replace Jaime's. That army if given time and Tywin's would have surrounded Robb. By attacking Westerland castles, Robb also hoped to draw Tywin from the Riverlands and back to his own lands. This would have stopped the likes of Gregor and Amory Lorch from raiding and burning the Riverlands. With regards to Jeyne, this is not the choice that cost him the war. Theon taking Wintellfell, Edmure blocking Tywin at the Fords and the Tyrells joining the Lannisters is what ended him. Roose begins betraying the Starks after the battle of Battlewater. This is before he hears of the Robb's marriage to Jeyne. Going to The Westerlands did not cause the Ironborn invasion. Him marching into the Riverlands meant that Balon could sail to Moat Cailin preventing Robb from returning to the North to defend his lands since Moat Cailin had never been taken from the South. Robb releasing Theon was his biggest mistake. If Theon does not take Winterfell, Robbs heirs are not believed dead and Catelyn never releases Jaime. With Jaime in Riverrun Frey never commits the Red wedding, Ramsey is not released to sack Winterfell and Bolton does not betray Robb. Roose Bolton even thanks Theon for taking Winterfell in A Dance of dragons.
@@santiogo369He did change his tactic though. He pushed into the Westerlands instead of continuing his march to King's Landing because he knew Ned was already dead and couldn't be saved from captivity. Plus he had targets in the Westerlands such as castles or armies Once he was crowned he pushed into the Westerlands as a diversionary attack for Stannis to take King's Landing, but Tywin teleported south to stop Stannis unfortunately
The cliffhangers that Martin leaves us on in his series are some of the most riveting and compelling. And Roy Dotrice is a master at bringing his words alive
I wish they had given Dotrice a bigger role in the show. Maybe Pycell or one of the maesters. The pyromancer just wasn’t around enough for this brilliant actor/narrator.
I believe he was meant to play pycelle or another maester, however his health prevented him, and so he took a less demanding role but played it well nonetheless
It would be entertaining if the whole room went “THE KING IN THE NORTH” on repeat, but then Robb remained seated and said “uh, yeah guys - no.” And then all the shouting lords would slowly get back in their seats like “oh..okay.”
@@lf2208Yeah that's exactly why he couldn't do that lol People sometimes say he should've just rejected being King but he couldn't lmao he'd look like an absolute joke
Nothing "technical" about it. She was manipulated by Littlefinger and made a massive blunder in taking Tyrion prisoner. She's the one who got Ned severely wounded and a dozen of his men killed. In all likelihood if that had not happened, Ned would have come back to Winterfell with Arya and Sansa and the northerners wouldn't have been involved in the war at all. Rob wasn't much better though, at this point in the story all Rob had to do was wait for the results of the Renly/Stannis battle and back the winner. The Frey guy had it right. All they had to do at this point was wait and pick the winning side.
@@davedavidson4548 Robb couldn't have done that, the laws and culture of Westeros and the North especially forbade it. It was expected, as Robb explains later on, for him to avenge his father lest he would not be king for long. And he _had_ to aid the Riverlands, lest his bannermen be as outraged with him if not much more so than the lords of the Vale were with Lysa for her refusal to aid Robb.
@@DominionSorcerer Yes he very well could've. He didn't need to accept the crown. Ned wanted to support Stannis because he saw him as the rightful heir. If Rob would have done the same thing then Stannis probably would have succeeded at King's Landing.
@@davedavidson4548 when _all_ of his bannermen proclaimed him their king at once there is no way Robb could have denied them without coming off as incredibly weak.
@@DominionSorcerer He absolutely could have though. Ned turned the crown down during Robert's Rebellion. What's weak is making the wrong decision because people want you to make it.
Great extract. Two of my favorite chapters from Roy are AFFC Jaime I chapter 8 and ADWD Tyrions final chapter. Roy is great here but I think the depth and tone in the final two books are unmatched, so subtle and so well read. I won't be able to listen the audio book for Winds.
Based Robb defending Stannis' right. They came so close to an alliance here, which would have allowed them to take King's Landing with cooperation. Riverlords are opportunistic warmongerers here. I like them less with rereads.
Unlike the northerners, the Riverlords had to deal with being pillaged by the Westerlands for some time by this point. So I think some desire for revenge makes sense all things considered
those frey's fellows sound really commited to see rob be crowned the king in the north, im sure they will be the spears and shields that his future king need in the wars to come :)
Should have kept Jamie hostage and rode North. Let the South battle it out. The North could have kept their kingdom and traded Jamie only at the highest of ransoms.
@@jasonvazquez8652 True. But vengeance can often cloud the senses. The North was a large as all the other kingdoms put together. Similar to Dorne the landscape itself is a defense.
@@jasonvazquez8652 The life of a kingdom vs perverted justice. Kings are called to be discerning. Robb Stark was the King. So whichever choice he made it would either be his glory or his downfall.
and then what? sansa and probably every other northern/riverlander hostage loses their head and you'll never get tywin to agree to a peace. as far as they knew, arya was a hostage as well - and catelyn would never forgive robb for causing the death of both of her daughters
@@m1ro at this point, Robb had beaten Tywins forces multiple times, Arya had escaped, and Stannis was sailing for Kings Landing. Sansa was the key to securing peace with the North. To say Tywin was against the ropes would be an understatement. Killing Jaimie would remove the Karstark problem. Plus it says to all of Westeros that a lion can be cut. Double plus with Little finger using her in his mischievous schemes, he would smuggle her out, pretending to be a friend. Robb would most likely meet his fate at the red wedding because the Iron born are stupid, but hey, at least the Karstarks still like him.
This is an excerpt from the official audiobook. Roy dotrice is the narrator and played the pyromancer that Tyrion used in season 2 for the wildfire in the battle of the black water
The North is seceding. They don't recognize *any* ruler of The North anymore except a Northman. As it's said: Torrhen yielded to the dragons, and the dragons are gone. Some in Rob's party are already suspicious of Joffrey's lineage, which makes his anointing by The Citadel a total farce.
@fazediamond5671 Right, and that's what's surprising to Cat: they're hailing a King of Winter for the first time in history. None of them have any designs on usurping the Iron Throne, their shared aim is restoring the continent back into individual kingdoms, of which Robb would rule the Kingdom of the North and the Riverlands. Had Stannis been the one who was anointed by The Citadel then these two regions would be in open revolt, because at least *on paper* Robert's rule was justified by his Targaryen blood. Joffrey has no legitimate claim to Aegon's throne, and as such these kingdoms (and eventually others) reckon that there is neither moral nor legal justification for the Seven Kingdoms to be ruled by one king. "Even their gods are wrong" is a line played for laughs, especially in the TV show, but it speaks to how the Northerners feel the covenant they entered into via Torrhen was broken -- they don't consent any longer to a fundamentally illegitimate government based in King's Landing, and the Riverlords agree.
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“Blackwood, Bracken and Mallister houses who had never been ruled from Winterfell yet Catlyen watched them rise, draw their blades, bending their knees and shouting the old words”
Love the loyalty the Riverlords had for Robb
You put blackwood and bracken like in unity, you are special
Robb was also the grandson of the lord of the trident as well that probably helped out,
@@andrewwavington9025the very lord of the trident and all the lords and kings of trident before him couldn't end the brackens and blackwoods feud, am not arguing that Robb did, but I completely agree with op about brackens and blackwoods declaring a northerner their king on the same day in the same location and almost simultaneously, was nothing short of miraculous.... Robb was almost rhaegar like in some aspects... people once they joined him, joined him until the very bitter end... and that's the loyalty that very few people could earn
You gotta love how they go over all their options. Even the frey's idea started to sound abit sensible.
Frey's are actually smart. I've heard of a lot of Frey scenes and speeches and they know how to play.
Cravens
@@DMES-wp2fjI love how its the Northmen who completely shutdown that idea. Back to back to back the Northern lords just shit on the idea of staying passive, love it lmao
As much as I hate to admit it, if rob would’ve taken the Frey’s council more seriously a lot more starks would be alive right now
Yup, one of my favorite moments in the series but it's probably the moment that lost him the war lol
That was not an option. The Lannisters had killed his father. There was no chance of peace between the two
@@kngoepe4200 right that’s completely understandable. War was inevitable the second ned was killed. BUT, let the price of Ned’s head be half of the kingdom. The second rob was crowned he should have been focused on fighting a defensive war and protecting the north and river lands. He was trying to make an offensive push so that he could put Joffery to the sword and make him face Justice. AND it was during his OFFENSIVE in the westerlands that he met jeyne westerling and ultimately lost the Frey’s and cemented the red wedding. AND if he wasn’t fighting that offensive Caitlyn wouldn’t have been alone with the king slayer and wouldn’t be able to set him free. Ultimately that Frey gave Robb some TOP TIER council and if he would have listened to it he would be king of the north with his Frey wife and all the houses of the north and river lands as his subjects. Hell I don’t even think the iron born would’ve attacked the north if the northmens army weren’t off fighting in the westerlands. It’s just so many things that could’ve been avoided bro
@@santiogo369 Robb attacked the Westerlands because he had heard of a new Lannister army being marshalled to replace Jaime's. That army if given time and Tywin's would have surrounded Robb. By attacking Westerland castles, Robb also hoped to draw Tywin from the Riverlands and back to his own lands. This would have stopped the likes of Gregor and Amory Lorch from raiding and burning the Riverlands. With regards to Jeyne, this is not the choice that cost him the war. Theon taking Wintellfell, Edmure blocking Tywin at the Fords and the Tyrells joining the Lannisters is what ended him. Roose begins betraying the Starks after the battle of Battlewater. This is before he hears of the Robb's marriage to Jeyne. Going to The Westerlands did not cause the Ironborn invasion. Him marching into the Riverlands meant that Balon could sail to Moat Cailin preventing Robb from returning to the North to defend his lands since Moat Cailin had never been taken from the South. Robb releasing Theon was his biggest mistake. If Theon does not take Winterfell, Robbs heirs are not believed dead and Catelyn never releases Jaime. With Jaime in Riverrun Frey never commits the Red wedding, Ramsey is not released to sack Winterfell and Bolton does not betray Robb. Roose Bolton even thanks Theon for taking Winterfell in A Dance of dragons.
@@santiogo369He did change his tactic though. He pushed into the Westerlands instead of continuing his march to King's Landing because he knew Ned was already dead and couldn't be saved from captivity. Plus he had targets in the Westerlands such as castles or armies
Once he was crowned he pushed into the Westerlands as a diversionary attack for Stannis to take King's Landing, but Tywin teleported south to stop Stannis unfortunately
The cliffhangers that Martin leaves us on in his series are some of the most riveting and compelling. And Roy Dotrice is a master at bringing his words alive
except briennes "she screamed a word" that was kind of pathetic
Roy Dotrice gave so much life to George Martin’s words. He truly brought the World of Ice and Fire to life. Rest in Peace, Mr. Dotrice. ❤
I wish they had given Dotrice a bigger role in the show. Maybe Pycell or one of the maesters. The pyromancer just wasn’t around enough for this brilliant actor/narrator.
I believe he was meant to play pycelle or another maester, however his health prevented him, and so he took a less demanding role but played it well nonetheless
A bunch of Northern Lords pressed their ambitions on a young man.
Lol it would've been less taxes
It would be entertaining if the whole room went “THE KING IN THE NORTH” on repeat, but then Robb remained seated and said “uh, yeah guys - no.” And then all the shouting lords would slowly get back in their seats like “oh..okay.”
@@lf2208Yeah that's exactly why he couldn't do that lol
People sometimes say he should've just rejected being King but he couldn't lmao he'd look like an absolute joke
I don’t know why but the quote “Like a man in a nightmare” is so haunting
We know no king but the king of RUclips who's name is Pyromancer
long may he upload
I don't Care if he's a bastard. I'm his subscriber since this Day untill my last Day!
Makes me want to listen to each audiobook with background music 😭
Someone needs to make that happen.
I feel bad for catelyn... but at the same time... she technically started this war by impulsively kidnapping tyrion 🤦♂️
Nothing "technical" about it. She was manipulated by Littlefinger and made a massive blunder in taking Tyrion prisoner. She's the one who got Ned severely wounded and a dozen of his men killed. In all likelihood if that had not happened, Ned would have come back to Winterfell with Arya and Sansa and the northerners wouldn't have been involved in the war at all.
Rob wasn't much better though, at this point in the story all Rob had to do was wait for the results of the Renly/Stannis battle and back the winner. The Frey guy had it right. All they had to do at this point was wait and pick the winning side.
@@davedavidson4548 Robb couldn't have done that, the laws and culture of Westeros and the North especially forbade it. It was expected, as Robb explains later on, for him to avenge his father lest he would not be king for long. And he _had_ to aid the Riverlands, lest his bannermen be as outraged with him if not much more so than the lords of the Vale were with Lysa for her refusal to aid Robb.
@@DominionSorcerer Yes he very well could've. He didn't need to accept the crown. Ned wanted to support Stannis because he saw him as the rightful heir. If Rob would have done the same thing then Stannis probably would have succeeded at King's Landing.
@@davedavidson4548 when _all_ of his bannermen proclaimed him their king at once there is no way Robb could have denied them without coming off as incredibly weak.
@@DominionSorcerer He absolutely could have though. Ned turned the crown down during Robert's Rebellion. What's weak is making the wrong decision because people want you to make it.
Bro i love these clips
RIP ROY DOTRICE!
What a chapter. This Robb dude sounds like he's gonna be a great king!!
He was
Great extract. Two of my favorite chapters from Roy are AFFC Jaime I chapter 8 and ADWD Tyrions final chapter.
Roy is great here but I think the depth and tone in the final two books are unmatched, so subtle and so well read. I won't be able to listen the audio book for Winds.
Ahhh Roy didn't do AFFC
@@ibrahimmustafa2481 Uh yeah he did
@@CheeseCrumbs00 But I thought John Lee did Feast.
@@ibrahimmustafa2481 Maybe he did separately but Roy is the official narrator for the audible version
Great news! You won’t be able to read Winds at all!
Based Robb defending Stannis' right. They came so close to an alliance here, which would have allowed them to take King's Landing with cooperation. Riverlords are opportunistic warmongerers here. I like them less with rereads.
Robb needed to ally himself to someone, just a temp alliance.
Nah Robb defended them when no one else would. He was the king they needed
Unlike the northerners, the Riverlords had to deal with being pillaged by the Westerlands for some time by this point. So I think some desire for revenge makes sense all things considered
Thanks for uploading this. It's amazing.
YES!! SO HAPPY THESE ARE COMING BACK!!
those frey's fellows sound really commited to see rob be crowned the king in the north, im sure they will be the spears and shields that his future king need in the wars to come :)
Should have kept Jamie hostage and rode North. Let the South battle it out. The North could have kept their kingdom and traded Jamie only at the highest of ransoms.
Yeah....but Ned was just killed, and the Northmen weren't about to let that go unpunished.
@@jasonvazquez8652 True. But vengeance can often cloud the senses. The North was a large as all the other kingdoms put together. Similar to Dorne the landscape itself is a defense.
@@wingt4thewin625 I know good and well that vengeance can cloud the mind, but let me ask you this. If you're father was murdered, would you let it go?
@@jasonvazquez8652 The life of a kingdom vs perverted justice. Kings are called to be discerning. Robb Stark was the King. So whichever choice he made it would either be his glory or his downfall.
And leave Tywin to butcher the Riverlands? Robb is half Tully
Is this how the official audio book is? Is it the same reader? He is so good!
Yes it is. Minus the music. But the narrator is the same, thankfully.
@@musicaldooder20 thanks!
@@samwize28 yep this is from the official audiobook. he has read every one of them. he also got a spot on the show, they pyromancer in season 2 😊
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@@samwize28he unfortunately passed away before the last book so it's someone different on that, unless there's a copy I couldn't find!
Cats plea for peace is actually so heartbreaking
Now and always.
This series is phenomenal...
Giving me goosebumps
The king returns
I’ve got to read these books me like😮 seen all the 8 series but wow these must be unreal to read!
I wish the audiobook included the music 🎶
This is a really dark scene I realise now
Robb, should have killed Jamie, the moment he got the new of Ned's death.
A son for a son a father for a father.
Justice!
No exchange him for Sansa n try to marry Sansa to a tyrell
and then what? sansa and probably every other northern/riverlander hostage loses their head and you'll never get tywin to agree to a peace. as far as they knew, arya was a hostage as well - and catelyn would never forgive robb for causing the death of both of her daughters
@@m1ro at this point, Robb had beaten Tywins forces multiple times, Arya had escaped, and Stannis was sailing for Kings Landing. Sansa was the key to securing peace with the North.
To say Tywin was against the ropes would be an understatement. Killing Jaimie would remove the Karstark problem. Plus it says to all of Westeros that a lion can be cut.
Double plus with Little finger using her in his mischievous schemes, he would smuggle her out, pretending to be a friend. Robb would most likely meet his fate at the red wedding because the Iron born are stupid, but hey, at least the Karstarks still like him.
Newbie here to the books and the channel so excuse my ignorance, is this audiobook actually available or this is some fan work by the channel?
This is an excerpt from the official audiobook. Roy dotrice is the narrator and played the pyromancer that Tyrion used in season 2 for the wildfire in the battle of the black water
This audiobook video was better than the last 2 seasons of GOT. 😅😂
King in the North
please please please do Bran III
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Robb was a usurper. He knew stannis was the true king. They all did.
No he didn’t
He thought Joffrey was the true king
Well, cry about it
The North is seceding. They don't recognize *any* ruler of The North anymore except a Northman. As it's said: Torrhen yielded to the dragons, and the dragons are gone. Some in Rob's party are already suspicious of Joffrey's lineage, which makes his anointing by The Citadel a total farce.
@@jaysmith8505 it’s the north and riverlands
@fazediamond5671 Right, and that's what's surprising to Cat: they're hailing a King of Winter for the first time in history. None of them have any designs on usurping the Iron Throne, their shared aim is restoring the continent back into individual kingdoms, of which Robb would rule the Kingdom of the North and the Riverlands.
Had Stannis been the one who was anointed by The Citadel then these two regions would be in open revolt, because at least *on paper* Robert's rule was justified by his Targaryen blood. Joffrey has no legitimate claim to Aegon's throne, and as such these kingdoms (and eventually others) reckon that there is neither moral nor legal justification for the Seven Kingdoms to be ruled by one king.
"Even their gods are wrong" is a line played for laughs, especially in the TV show, but it speaks to how the Northerners feel the covenant they entered into via Torrhen was broken -- they don't consent any longer to a fundamentally illegitimate government based in King's Landing, and the Riverlords agree.