As a black man who studied fashion merchandising I will tell y’all straight up My professor broke down the history of fashion and word for word said “I’m not sure what else the AA community has contributed to fashion beyond the Afro and ZOOT SUIT” and then looked at me and the two black females in my class to help her answer. The two females had nothing to say I went on a speech rant Why? Because there’s no way you teach a class and have no clue what black people have contributed . So his argument fails cause the average American even in the fashion industry won’t credit black people for influencing or contributing to fashion at all so if that’s what we hold onto it’s a false branch
So true, like homies argument was pure stupidity. Stupidity pisses me off too. When the loser said “tell me what kind of schools are bullet proof” it told me everything i needed to know bout that clown
I see that’s why doesn’t just debate anyone because it’s a disconnect I’ve never seen him cuss like this but l see why he did because bro didn’t get the point
Adults actually trying so hard to make big dre lil kendrick bigger than life like some geniuses is just embarrassing and sad,uncreative sampling stupid lyrics melodies that sound like children songs ,it's garbage including the fashion of adult men showing their behinds to the world
They can't see that this whole thing is an embarrassment to anyone under the term black, he says export like he's speaking about technology or something
Not to mention how hip hop (ever since gangster rap) has been used to destroy the image of African Americans. The bigger issue though is our lack of control over our own image.
*Dr Umar:* _"Yes Or No? Does Hiphop glamorize the sexual exploitation of Black Women?"_ *Dude with Braids:* _"Um...Its popularized it, not glamorized"_ *This is ALL you need to know about this debate LOL*
@@yariigogoated5159The guy with the braids is the only one I’ve seen really challenge Dr. Umar, though. Besides Charlemagne. But we know Charlemagne. The guy with the braids isn’t that popular, but he still held his own.
YES AND they did more useful things with the money, way more than 117% more. Sounds like they pulled the rug from under the same folks who claimed to start it..Yes,I am from and live in the Bronx.....
@@rj45swag exactly...The music business is easy enough to navigate,if you have a working brain...ONE..Learn the business. Books, tutorials, and consult with music lawyers @ seminars..Learn that you need to know about BMI/ASCAP, etc, points, publishing, and who has to pay for what,like your music videos. TWO>>>Take the money and invest it into your business,NOT drugs., NOT a $300k car, NOT kitty, NOT your 344 buddies, NOT getting head from IG models, NOT sneakers.. Learn an instrument, learn to engineer, learn to spend your resources and time wisely.. I SPENT YEARS being focused and ended up building my DJ setup and recording studio, went back to school, worked, coparented my son,and still made some time for kitty. There are NO excuses and NO victims...
This is so true!!! It’s sad that this man believes I mean screaming to the top of his lungs that Hip hop belongs to the Blackman. No it belongs to the Jews just as he stated. They created the atmosphere, they tell this young artist what to rap about and all they tell them they do knowing it’s tearing down the black community and our youth. When Sugg Knight and others wanted to get the distribution deal to support black entertainment and entertainers Jay and Diddy ran to the Jew man and told them what was going on what they were trying to do. The Jew threw a wrench in that plan and created a hostile environment for some. Diddy and Jay are turn coats of their own race. However, I search a good God and he is going to whip them and expose those doors they hide within. Hollywood is going to fall, crash, and burn. They have hurt and discarded so many they will see them upon their descent.
Hip Hop is one of the most destructive things to happen to the black community. I don't like seeing 8yrs rapping about killing people or 5 year old girls twerking to Sexxy Red. Sad part its widely accepted to see this stuff in the black community.
Yeah he was not cooking , but there was some good to come from hip hop . Ll cool J first mainstream rapper positive image . Krs 1, Chuck D/public enemy did great things and inspired people . Jidenna had classic man and his image is positive .
white people are the biggest consumers of hip hop music. So why hasn’t their community been affected by it? Also what problem did hip hop create that didn’t exist previously?
Just because you have a PhD doesn't constitute you to be the most expert on culture. Not dismissing the hard work and dedication to even relieve a PhD.
Umar with all that grandstanding didnt say anything besides talking loudly. His PHD is is equivalent to getting it from Devry. This dude is traveling the Globe with his feel good conversation. He is a glorified pan Africanist motivational speaker. He isnt no better than a Pastor he is known for talking down on. What has he done, which institution has he built.
The hip hop conversation was annoying. As a black girl who grew up in the hood, I come here to say that hip hop has done nothing positive for me. Instead the culture that influences or creates hip hop made me feel like an outcast in my community, because I wasn't the typical Ghetto black girl. Being Ghetto or gangsta was looked down upon in my family. So neither was acceptable.
"We are living in a world dominated by Mass Incarceration, Miseducation, Gentrification, Police Extermination & Economic Marginalization. And you ain't told me shit, yet, that Hip Hop has done in 50 years". Now THAT was Bars!!!!
@@dsmrn5759 It seems to be working just fine for every other group of people. They make millions and billions off blk culture. Maybe we should stop criticizing our own creations and put them to good use.
Was rollin when he said that !!😂🤣😂🤣 Bc my mans is talking like a child.... No disrespect but his capacity is extremely low..Its sad bc hes serious and cant even see what Dr Umar is saying.. "Mental Revolution." All my notes in college had Revolution within as a heading bc i felt like education is KEY element to our collective progression !
Because he was only looking to sound smart oppose to listening to what Umar was trying to make him aware of. Typical of somebdy his age. They thnk they know every fuckn thing
@@willie417why did the first dude mention the Yoruba for? Just “Nigerian” simple! As that, And I am not even an Nigerian it’s because I h*ted the tribalist mfs so much, and the same shiii keep dividing us gosh🤦🏾♂️
Saying that drug dealers were essential poor black neighborhoods is like saying cancer is essential to sustaining life. It is simply a complete and absolute lie that should be looked at as offensive.
The food you eat is essential right? Don’t that cause the cancer in the body? Maybe it went over your head.. you do know that era was an attack on black people and we turned it on its head.. You literally have the people accountable alive and this what we talking about?
People be in denial. Rap music is the soundtrack to the school to prison pipeline. These kids are not listening to Stevie Wonder and Jodeci before the drive by lets be real.
They showed us this in They Cloner Tyrone…. Literally this light Drake fake ass Brent Fryias mf really tried it mane.. it’s sad really sad bc he was so serious. Damn this made me love Doc 1000x more straight up 💯
If Dr. Umar's schools never opens, we as a people as a community benefit from his words. He is still an asset to the community. The school is the only thing they can get him on. whereas hip hop artists have more money and offer less to the community.
I don't want anyone with money accountable for the community simply because they have money. Let's take Diddy or R. Kelly for example. I wouldn't want either of them anywhere near a school, a school project or a child just because they have money no matter how many hip hop or R n B songs they sing. On that point alone I disagree with Dr. Umar.
I was screaming all the way from South Africa, when he asked a simple question, what has hip hop done for the black community and he said fashion. Lord Jesus save us all 😢
Dr Umar won this debate plain and simple. Hip Hop did play a part in the black community from a negative standpoint. If Hop Hop stayed positive then the black community would be in a totally different space right now.
The fact that so many rappers are shot to death by their own people is a sign that there's something wrong....how many rock, country, pop, jazz, blues artists get shot on average?
Perc-30's, Drakos, my girl got a girlfriend, opps, no new friends,switches, bricks, etc. "Hip hop" has been made the soundtrack to our detriment, period!
Facts, there is so many rappers around the world who rap in their native language, and they have made more money from hip-hop than black American rappers.
The main reason blk people act the way we act towards each other is because of the white power structure if you don’t get rid of there power this will continue we need to be ready to die as a collective for freedom the Japanese tried it an the whites said ok you wanna be independent from us here an atomic bomb like I said that’s what come with it death there is no other way we either ready to die to free ourselves or we not but I’ll tell you one thing these people have sophisticated white supremacist in there race that invent evil weopans it’s no telling what evil technology the white race has on stand by for anybody who tries to get out of there power structure
That cornrow dude was......beyond cringe lmfao. Imagine if someone went into a Jewish community center and insisted that Jewish music, performing arts and cinema is what moved their community forward and not finance, businesses and institutions 🤣🤣
That would be like saying those Woody Allen movies did a lot for the culture! Not Goldman Sachs, Baskin-Robbins, Ben & Jerry's, Dunkin' Donuts, Estée Lauder, Facebook, Google, Haagen Dazs...
We need to not waste time expecting rappers to take accountability, many of them are not going to take responsibility, it’s up to us to be responsible for ourselves, these celebrities have already shown us who they are so the question is why are we still expecting them to take responsibility?
white people are the biggest consumers of hip hop music. So why hasn’t their community been affected by it? Also what problem did hip hop create that didn’t exist previously?
@@courtney1930 No… it’s not a waste of time to hold people that our young boys and girls idolize accountable. Don’t get me wrong it’s great to do for one’s self, but let’s not forget we should also be trying to mold the outside influences that could potentially permeate the minds of our youth.
If y'all bringing Dr. Umar on the show, y'all NEED to come correct with whoever is going to debate him. This dude just wants to hear himself talk and is making ZERO valid points. Smh.
Bro-ski with the braids said "fashion"... Soooo goofy 🤦🏿♂️ Its baffling how when Dr Umar mentions institutions, folks get completely lost on what it means.
@@shahross8366 He talks about institutions. An institution doesn't have to serve everyone. Even most government institutions don't serve everyone, and it's only the government that would be able to reach an entire population. So what is Umar even talking about? How does his school help 'the community'? A school would benefit the few kids who attend. He's just yapping about nothing. And there are LOTS of institutions in blk run countries, and look at the condition of those countries. Again, he's just yapping about nothing. He's just a master of normalizing pointing the finger at others, instead of taking personal responsibility.
white people are the biggest consumers of hip hop music. So why hasn’t their community been affected by it? Also what problem did hip hop create that didn’t exist previously?
@@yariigogoated5159it’s entertainment. Why as black people are we looking for entertainers to to bring about systemic change?In the same way hip hop doesn’t systematically change our lives in a positive way, it’s also not to blame for the destruction of the black community; it’s a result of it. Just the way mob movies and video games aren’t the cause of white violence hip hop isn’t the cause of black violence.
My mans sadi FUBU.... Yooooo. With a serious face... That serious face said it all.. #1 We need to be a force within impactful industries. banking tech transportation agriculture media This 🥷🏾 talking about fashion WITH A SERIOUS FACE.. #2 He said FUBU. Niggas stop rockin FUBU before Pac died
Those ear lobe stretchers come from the Maasai people in Africa…it’s African culture…I get it, Mouse should be quiet like a mouse in the house but ear lobe stretchers are African in origin
he was just one of the apologist of the degeneracy. Always looking for a silver lining but the truth is hip hop is toxic asf. We see skinny jean dredheads slapping teachers now. They are not even thinking about a future. Same issue I have with BLM, turn a blind eye to our issues and get mad when a killing happens by a white man.
@@adavis3215school will open and can't wait to hear your excuses when it does. Besides, if you have never donated to the school why you crying about it not being open? 😂
That brother is very intelligent, but he didn’t get the excuse he’s trying to use to make his point. Hip Hop is NOT owned by black culture. Hip Hop does NOT control fashion. Diddy does NOT own Revolt. The answer is Hip Hop has done NOTHING in the past 50 years. Great conversation though.
The young man with cornrows sounds like he is speaking from a stance that hip hop/rap allowed a few to make some money, get out of the hood, start a fashion line ( maybe hire a few friends and others), Hip hop music social media creators get to monetize their music and voices. It looks like he sees hip hop making money for black men who didn't have an opportunity to make money regardless that it might be hurting the community.
I'm a 55 year young black woman, and this young guy sounds so ignorant and speaking out online. I'm embarrassed for him. Young black men need to shut up and listen, which is the problem .
What doctor Umar is not telling the hip Hop community is how to construct resources for low-income and working class black African-American communities how do you go about building hospitals how do you go about building Banks how do you build about going building schools all these resources that you're claiming that people are not putting in these communities you don't have a blueprint what you can't read any of the are hip hop community content makers a blueprint to go on
@@arodrigueznyc1 that doesnt benefit the black community as a whole, only a few individuals would benefit from fashion ,being creative, and things of that nature.
HipHop culture has been detrimental to the black culture. Young men are killing themselves at a high rate with no accountability. Dr. Umar made a lot good points. The other brother kept his composer while being yelled at and degraded when attempting to make his point. We must also remember that things changed in the 70s with black cinema with the betrayal of black men as pimps and gangsters before N.W.A. The change began in music and cinema prior to the 80s movements. Facts
@@GoodGuidanceTheBrand I was referencing the dialogue they were having, 2 hrs of wasted time speaking to ppl who don’t get it, I wasn’t trying to be surface level, so it’s a bit more than the money.
Dr Umar's knowledge on west-African spirituality seems super legit. That was such a nice intro to it. Even if you're staunch Christian, Muslim, etc there's no reason to not study it the same way most of us a taught Greco-Romain mythology.
@@TrippACroxx We talking main stream global impact yea they cool and but they not having impact like a sexy redd meg the stallion nicki minaj or other artist who push degeneracy on a massive scale most of your top record labels are people that's not black who listen for killing murder fornication and other degrading things to push to the masses its a Ted talk about it they overlooking conscious rappers just for that very reason
The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan said one positive rap song can do more than a 1,000 lectures. This is why the Jewish power structure in Hip Hop keeps the negative rap going because they know if blacks become positive productive people then their flow of money from their exploitation of us would cease.
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This dude has no business debating with Dr. Umar.
lol he paid that 30k for a debate
Straight fidddddaakkkssss
"Fashion"💀💀💀
Facts
At all
“Billionaires should be building institutions.. not giving out charity.” - a BAR ‼️
While Umar's only pretending to be building institutions and successfully "Building" his personal savings.
FACTSSSSSSS ....RICH BLACK CELEBRITIES AND ATHLETES SHOULD DEFINITELY BE BUILDING SCHOOLS AND BANKS, GROCERY STORE
They were not paid to build institutions.
That part
And these black men and women are not going to stand up for the community…. Especially when they are getting paid mind their own business
When he said "fashion," my heart sank. Wow!!! Some people just don't get it.
Its because he wanted to "win" the debate. Aint no way if he thjnks it through he still believes it.
As a black man who studied fashion merchandising I will tell y’all straight up
My professor broke down the history of fashion and word for word said “I’m not sure what else the AA community has contributed to fashion beyond the Afro and ZOOT SUIT” and then looked at me and the two black females in my class to help her answer. The two females had nothing to say I went on a speech rant
Why? Because there’s no way you teach a class and have no clue what black people have contributed . So his argument fails cause the average American even in the fashion industry won’t credit black people for influencing or contributing to fashion at all so if that’s what we hold onto it’s a false branch
@@WLVSTV I think the whole point is that it doesnt matter who created or infljenced anything. What matter is who owns it.
He a fuckin idiot been one it took umar to expose him
Kanye started that mind state
I'm Nigerian and i listen to Dr Umar and Rizza Islam.. love and support to my African American families ❤️💞
foundational black americans, we not african and umar is cuban
@@filaspeaks1094we African American and FBA only clowns don't acknowledge their African.
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@filaspeaks1094 wow..
How ignorant can you get.
Im with Umar on what Hip Hop has done for the community
Nothing
Roland martin almost got beat up
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ABSOLUTELY nothing!
Dr. Umar is telling the truth.
I have never seen Dr.Umar get so upset with stupidity 😂😂😂.
Watch the interview with Lord Jamar.
cuz thats egggxacctlyyy whut it is, STOOOOPIDITY!!!
So true, like homies argument was pure stupidity. Stupidity pisses me off too.
When the loser said “tell me what kind of schools are bullet proof” it told me everything i needed to know bout that clown
I see that’s why doesn’t just debate anyone because it’s a disconnect I’ve never seen him cuss like this but l see why he did because bro didn’t get the point
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I’m with Dr Umar. 50 years of hiphop and all you can come up with is fashion. Come on black man
Adults actually trying so hard to make big dre lil kendrick bigger than life like some geniuses is just embarrassing and sad,uncreative sampling stupid lyrics melodies that sound like children songs ,it's garbage including the fashion of adult men showing their behinds to the world
They can't see that this whole thing is an embarrassment to anyone under the term black, he says export like he's speaking about technology or something
@@ts777-M What about the fashion of black women showing their butts to the world and twerking?
Not to mention how hip hop (ever since gangster rap) has been used to destroy the image of African Americans. The bigger issue though is our lack of control over our own image.
@@ts777-Mmy soul brudda, fax we are not black, we are not a mf color dat shii be blowing me frr.
Umar is 100% correct
*Dr Umar:* _"Yes Or No? Does Hiphop glamorize the sexual exploitation of Black Women?"_
*Dude with Braids:* _"Um...Its popularized it, not glamorized"_
*This is ALL you need to know about this debate LOL*
So then why do you listen to it then?
@@amann3161braindead response. but don’t worry, we won’t again.
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Omar Johnson killed that do with the braids. lol 😆
@@yariigogoated5159The guy with the braids is the only one I’ve seen really challenge Dr. Umar, though. Besides Charlemagne. But we know Charlemagne. The guy with the braids isn’t that popular, but he still held his own.
Jewish people have made more money off of hip hop than blacks spent on Jordan’s for the past 30 years.
Yep. Somebody above is always a white guy. You say ONE WRONG THING about Jews you're screwed
CLOCK IT
YES AND they did more useful things with the money, way more than 117% more. Sounds like they pulled the rug from under the same folks who claimed to start it..Yes,I am from and live in the Bronx.....
Facts! Them fools don’t even own the music that they are creating.
@@rj45swag exactly...The music business is easy enough to navigate,if you have a working brain...ONE..Learn the business. Books, tutorials, and consult with music lawyers @ seminars..Learn that you need to know about BMI/ASCAP, etc, points, publishing, and who has to pay for what,like your music videos. TWO>>>Take the money and invest it into your business,NOT drugs., NOT a $300k car, NOT kitty, NOT your 344 buddies, NOT getting head from IG models, NOT sneakers.. Learn an instrument, learn to engineer, learn to spend your resources and time wisely.. I SPENT YEARS being focused and ended up building my DJ setup and recording studio, went back to school, worked, coparented my son,and still made some time for kitty. There are NO excuses and NO victims...
Dr. Uma is too advanced for mouse. Hip hop is DESTROYING our youth. PERIOD!!
This is so true!!! It’s sad that this man believes I mean screaming to the top of his lungs that Hip hop belongs to the Blackman. No it belongs to the Jews just as he stated. They created the atmosphere, they tell this young artist what to rap about and all they tell them they do knowing it’s tearing down the black community and our youth. When Sugg Knight and others wanted to get the distribution deal to support black entertainment and entertainers Jay and Diddy ran to the Jew man and told them what was going on what they were trying to do. The Jew threw a wrench in that plan and created a hostile environment for some. Diddy and Jay are turn coats of their own race. However, I search a good God and he is going to whip them and expose those doors they hide within. Hollywood is going to fall, crash, and burn. They have hurt and discarded so many they will see them upon their descent.
Period......
Period.........!
Braids shut up 😢
I agree
46:34 😂😂😂 “nigga I’m leaving” made me spit my coffee out here at work
“Advancements in fashion” 😂😂😂😂
We are DOOMED.
Kanye West's expensive homeless fashion came to my mind
Done. Finished. Kaput.
MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN ! 💯
Exactly lmfao !! This is exactly what I said !!! 😂😂😂
Bro that’s impactful, it’s niggas in Japan rocking Averex because of hip hop. We did that as a culture to make it a worldwide thing
Homie just wanted to argue...He had absolutely no valid points, thing is hip hop has done nothing positive for black culture
Hip Hop is one of the most destructive things to happen to the black community. I don't like seeing 8yrs rapping about killing people or 5 year old girls twerking to Sexxy Red. Sad part its widely accepted to see this stuff in the black community.
Fax
Yeah he was not cooking , but there was some good to come from hip hop . Ll cool J first mainstream rapper positive image . Krs 1, Chuck D/public enemy did great things and inspired people . Jidenna had classic man and his image is positive .
white people are the biggest consumers of hip hop music. So why hasn’t their community been affected by it? Also what problem did hip hop create that didn’t exist previously?
We gotta stop focusing on the negative , asses the current state and see what we can do to help or who we can support , not just complain.
I agreed with Dr Umar 100%.
People CANNOT handle the truth much less from a black man with a PhD!!
Just because you have a PhD doesn't constitute you to be the most expert on culture. Not dismissing the hard work and dedication to even relieve a PhD.
@trueunderdog191 yeah but dr umar is a good person for it
Dr Umar unconsciously gave us the most important peace of the Holy Grail Indicator. 🧘🏾♂️📈
Umar with all that grandstanding didnt say anything besides talking loudly. His PHD is is equivalent to getting it from Devry. This dude is traveling the Globe with his feel good conversation. He is a glorified pan Africanist motivational speaker. He isnt no better than a Pastor he is known for talking down on. What has he done, which institution has he built.
@@BigQualo and yet and still HIP HOP was the subject and it has done nothing for the community
The hip hop conversation was annoying. As a black girl who grew up in the hood, I come here to say that hip hop has done nothing positive for me. Instead the culture that influences or creates hip hop made me feel like an outcast in my community, because I wasn't the typical Ghetto black girl. Being Ghetto or gangsta was looked down upon in my family. So neither was acceptable.
I know ppl question Umar but the TRUTH is even if he never had a school, his dissemination of Knowledge is VALUABLE 💯
I never thought of it that way, but you’re right.
Right, the message is more important to me than who it’s coming from.
Umar right but ol' buddy ain't lying at 1:04:09 mfers in Black America was leaving they families before Hip-Hip was up and running
Speaking more life into the community way more than any billionaire has
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Two black men in a heated debate. And still shake hands and respect each other. Need more of that.
If umar was white he be a white supremacist because he black he gets to be racist
"We are living in a world dominated by Mass Incarceration, Miseducation, Gentrification, Police Extermination & Economic Marginalization. And you ain't told me shit, yet, that Hip Hop has done in 50 years". Now THAT was Bars!!!!
@@dsmrn5759 no we are not. Just nickers are trapped
dr umar never mentions anything about spirituality. art is for the soul. not to make us money or change the environment or exterior of our lives.
@@dsmrn5759 It seems to be working just fine for every other group of people. They make millions and billions off blk culture.
Maybe we should stop criticizing our own creations and put them to good use.
Where's umars school? How come he hasn't married 1 of his baby mommas
@@BluEx22329Your poop doesn’t stink right. You just can walk straight into God’s Kingdom with a clean behind.
Right?
Great debate! The most important message here, is that we can get heated, loud, and use profanity, but we can always conclude on a positive note.
My man with the braids must not be from the trenches cause he don’t see the detrimental impact music have on the black community
That’s a fact.
Facts he cant be
He has those white boi loops in his ears😂
He's a clown 🤡 and annoying.
@@BlackSkins-il7ch💯
If I ever heard a 1 sided brutal debate beat down it’s this one . Every single point umar literally made 100x more logical , realistic and honest .
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“Nigga I’m leaving” 😭😭😭 bro this shit was funny af bro but I def felt Umar
This is the funniest umar debate ever
Was rollin when he said that !!😂🤣😂🤣
Bc my mans is talking like a child.... No disrespect but his capacity is extremely low..Its sad bc hes serious and cant even see what Dr Umar is saying..
"Mental Revolution."
All my notes in college had Revolution within as a heading bc i felt like education is KEY element to our collective progression !
I'm losing my sh*t, I can't stop laughing 🤣
BULL -FN- ISH😂😂😂Umar spazzed
Facts cuz he don't even talk like that 😂
Yes African Spirituality in schools. ❤ yessss!!!!
Dr Umar puts a mirror on black ppl and our self inflicted problems and clearly it bothers most of us.
That Part!
Umar should take a look in the mirror too.
@@derrickdavis664 reread with blind eyes
@@blackgoldx3769 you first.
Or or they realize ain't no school coming
We so stuck on individualism its crazy.
Anton Daniel is prime example.
Because he was only looking to sound smart oppose to listening to what Umar was trying to make him aware of. Typical of somebdy his age. They thnk they know every fuckn thing
@@cpcCAwell said
Cos it's all we got😂
I’m Nigerian, Yoruba Man to be precise, and I’m really impressed on how much Dr Umar knows about the African Gods and religion
So which group is more industrious and successful Yoruba or Igbo?
ITS CALLED READING BOOKS
@@AceFlexFitness0007 Why would you even ask this question?
@@willie417why did the first dude mention the Yoruba for? Just “Nigerian” simple! As that, And I am not even an Nigerian it’s because I h*ted the tribalist mfs so much, and the same shiii keep dividing us gosh🤦🏾♂️
Don't know why. We study african studies and try connect with our natural being b4 slavery
Umar sat there far longer than I could have. We are done for 😭
Saying that drug dealers were essential poor black neighborhoods is like saying cancer is essential to sustaining life. It is simply a complete and absolute lie that should be looked at as offensive.
The food you eat is essential right? Don’t that cause the cancer in the body? Maybe it went over your head.. you do know that era was an attack on black people and we turned it on its head.. You literally have the people accountable alive and this what we talking about?
I'm with Dr. Umar 100 percent!
People be in denial. Rap music is the soundtrack to the school to prison pipeline. These kids are not listening to Stevie Wonder and Jodeci before the drive by lets be real.
They showed us this in They Cloner Tyrone…. Literally this light Drake fake ass Brent Fryias mf really tried it mane.. it’s sad really sad bc he was so serious. Damn this made me love Doc 1000x more straight up 💯
@@TheWizrd114 I'll have to check that out, haven't seen it yet
@@AR-dj3yw great movie. Very insightful about what they’ve been doing to us deliberately in our neighborhoods for years. They Cloned Tyrone
@@TheWizrd114facts
They was in the 70s and 80s 😂
Thank you, Dr. Umar! I'm with you on this issue.
Umar is right it’s simple. You can deny it all you want but it’s truth.
Umar is CORRECT! Black Men collective should tell clowns like dude who wants to be representative of Black culture to stand down.
Thank you Dr. Umar for not backing down!
If Dr. Umar's schools never opens, we as a people as a community benefit from his words. He is still an asset to the community. The school is the only thing they can get him on. whereas hip hop artists have more money and offer less to the community.
That is going to be a challenge. Two relatives of mine went there when it was charter school. They did there best. Unfortunately they had to close.
@cpcCA That's too bad. Maybe he should stick to working in the public school system and being an activist.
@@farmerz97 Umar did not own the school back then…Actually it was good school.
Idgaf about the school, he be spittin😂 definitely an asset to out community
I don't want anyone with money accountable for the community simply because they have money.
Let's take Diddy or R. Kelly for example. I wouldn't want either of them anywhere near a school, a school project or a child just because they have money no matter how many hip hop or R n B songs they sing.
On that point alone I disagree with Dr. Umar.
I was screaming all the way from South Africa, when he asked a simple question, what has hip hop done for the black community and he said fashion. Lord Jesus save us all 😢
I LOVE HIP HOP BUT IT AINT DONE NOTHING FOR BLACK PEOPLE WORTH BRAGGING ABOUT!!
Yes, I can't argue with that.
It wasn't supposed to, you suppose to do for self.
That's COMPLETE IGNORANCE.
This is the most stupidest comment everrrrrrrrrr!😮
R.N. Umar😂😂😂
AND THIS IS WHY I'VE FOLLOWED DR. UMAR FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS!
Where’s the school???
@@craigandnem4597 Where's yo school?
@@africancommunity8907 why doesn't he claim all those donations at tax time? Umar going to Jail for tax evasion and still no school!
@@africancommunity8907he's playing you like a fiddle 🤣 where's this school that he's been talking about for years
I wouldn’t broadcast this at all lol.
Dr Umar won this debate plain and simple. Hip Hop did play a part in the black community from a negative standpoint. If Hop Hop stayed positive then the black community would be in a totally different space right now.
Exactly! ❤
The fact that so many rappers are shot to death by their own people is a sign that there's something wrong....how many rock, country, pop, jazz, blues artists get shot on average?
@@AR-dj3yw If you noticed too it's happining more in this era than the 90's and I'm talking 3x the amount.
No it wouldn't
Yes it would have
Perc-30's, Drakos, my girl got a girlfriend, opps, no new friends,switches, bricks, etc. "Hip hop" has been made the soundtrack to our detriment, period!
PERIOD!!
Koreans have benefited more from hip hop fashion than black people. We are just consumers.
Yup. And China with the fake replicas that flooded the market. Korea got a lot help from our Government…..
Facts, there is so many rappers around the world who rap in their native language, and they have made more money from hip-hop than black American rappers.
All this proves is that Korean people are culture vultures 😂
“More than”
Stop trying argue that we winning in hip hop or in fashion we are a lost group of people
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The main reason blk people act the way we act towards each other is because of the white power structure if you don’t get rid of there power this will continue we need to be ready to die as a collective for freedom the Japanese tried it an the whites said ok you wanna be independent from us here an atomic bomb like I said that’s what come with it death there is no other way we either ready to die to free ourselves or we not but I’ll tell you one thing these people have sophisticated white supremacist in there race that invent evil weopans it’s no telling what evil technology the white race has on stand by for anybody who tries to get out of there power structure
Not necessarily we just need to have more wins in other categories as well cause both are billion dollar industries we should keep hold of those
Imo
That cornrow dude was......beyond cringe lmfao. Imagine if someone went into a Jewish community center and insisted that Jewish music, performing arts and cinema is what moved their community forward and not finance, businesses and institutions 🤣🤣
He was just wasting air
That would be like saying those Woody Allen movies did a lot for the culture! Not Goldman Sachs, Baskin-Robbins, Ben & Jerry's, Dunkin' Donuts, Estée Lauder, Facebook, Google, Haagen Dazs...
Agree, but you have to consider the generation and perspective gap.
Hollering man😅😅😅😅
This is why we are separated. We are not able to look at the truth and blame ourselves for the monster we have created…
This debate, no matter how heated, was SOOO needed. It was beautiful.
You just gotta love the way it ended 😅
Where? This mouse situation was really nonsense. Just trolled everybody with immaturity in front of this man.
🐌 Pointless
If it was soon needed , what did you get out of it or what have you learned other than the entertainment you got out of watching ?
I hope young people learned something 👍🏿
It's time for Umar Johnson to have his own show.
The fact that they can hug after this discussion makes me extremely happy
Dr. UMAR does a lot of reading and has study a lot about our African Culture.👍🏿❤️
It sound like the youngin trying to absolve the rappers from accountability.
We need to not waste time expecting rappers to take accountability, many of them are not going to take responsibility, it’s up to us to be responsible for ourselves, these celebrities have already shown us who they are so the question is why are we still expecting them to take responsibility?
white people are the biggest consumers of hip hop music. So why hasn’t their community been affected by it? Also what problem did hip hop create that didn’t exist previously?
The sad part is Mouse ain’t young…FUBU has helped the black community advance 🤨🤨🤨
@@courtney1930 No… it’s not a waste of time to hold people that our young boys and girls idolize accountable. Don’t get me wrong it’s great to do for one’s self, but let’s not forget we should also be trying to mold the outside influences that could potentially permeate the minds of our youth.
I wish they had actual rappers first.
Between hip hop and social media the black community DOOMED!!!
Black Social media is a product of hip hop
And material items
@@rellisdoinit8453 facts
Why don’t yall non black ppl ever make comments that contribute to dr.umars points about the white man being the root of all this b.s
Donations to papa is our only way out of doomed dum✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿
If y'all bringing Dr. Umar on the show, y'all NEED to come correct with whoever is going to debate him. This dude just wants to hear himself talk and is making ZERO valid points. Smh.
Dude, mouse, sounds like a damn clown!
on life smh
Fr tho
Definitely glad most of these comments can come to an agreed higher perspective!! Bro in the gray was on “what is it THE BRAIDS?” time 😂
Bro-ski with the braids said "fashion"... Soooo goofy 🤦🏿♂️
Its baffling how when Dr Umar mentions institutions, folks get completely lost on what it means.
Part of the damn problem
@@themonsterwithin4000 Exactly.
Because it's a silly point.
@@candorsspot2775 You think us not having institutions is a silly point. Good job, Sir. 👍🏿
@@shahross8366 He talks about institutions. An institution doesn't have to serve everyone. Even most government institutions don't serve everyone, and it's only the government that would be able to reach an entire population.
So what is Umar even talking about? How does his school help 'the community'? A school would benefit the few kids who attend. He's just yapping about nothing.
And there are LOTS of institutions in blk run countries, and look at the condition of those countries. Again, he's just yapping about nothing.
He's just a master of normalizing pointing the finger at others, instead of taking personal responsibility.
I feel Umar, you can't debate someone this ignorant and who refuses to face reality. It is infuriating. The boy is out of his depths.
That's why D0C keeps on cussing! He is Hella Frustrated!!
Umar isn't good at debating, either.
@fivespeed718 no, it's because he's grown but can't control his emotions just like a child
@@IAmMe777.Right and I like Doc a lot.
white people are the biggest consumers of hip hop music. So why hasn’t their community been affected by it? Also what problem did hip hop create that didn’t exist previously?
"Family is the source of everybody's trauma". -Dr Umar Johnson.
Dr. Umar is correct and also the first person to even say this out loud.
Mic Drop👍🏿
Wayyyyyyyy to deep for the majority
The good doctor prescribing the good medicine ❤❤❤❤
Bruh said technological advancement and used podcasts as an example and credited that to hip-hop culture 😆 🤣
Dr Umar lost it lol
He sure did 😂😂😂 I lost it wayyy before that🤦🏾♂️ main man said fashion 🫣🫣🫣
@@Kaboom215There's a little truth to it though.
There is no truth to it. Umar Johnson is talking about what has it done for the blackcommunity systemically.
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@@yariigogoated5159it’s entertainment. Why as black people are we looking for entertainers to to bring about systemic change?In the same way hip hop doesn’t systematically change our lives in a positive way, it’s also not to blame for the destruction of the black community; it’s a result of it. Just the way mob movies and video games aren’t the cause of white violence hip hop isn’t the cause of black violence.
Like Dr. John Henrik Clarke said “I only debate with those of equal or HIGHER…all others I teach!” ✊🏿
He copied that from Dr Henrik clarke.
Nah! Brother held his own, we all love Dr Umar but that brother held his own which is beautiful
@@kamohelomoloiNot really, because he's arguments don't really hold up under scrutiny.
@@kamohelomoloi🙃🙃🙃
@@kamohelomoloiwhich debate did u see???🤨
Dr Umar is so right …. hip hop is full of hypocrisy
Homie With The Braids Was NOT Cooking
This fella has obviously no idea what he’s talking about. Dr Omar is wasting his time with his dude.
Umar
Mouse works in the music industry
He can't stand a debate against Dr Umar.
It’s not a waste bcuz we all learned from this, and ppl who think just like cornrows have been educated.
HE IS ONE OF THE REASON'S WHY WE ARE IN THE CONDITIONS WE'RE IN AS BLACK FOLK!!! DR UMAR CONTINUE TO EDUCATE THE "UN-EDUCATED"!!!
FUBU WAS CRAZY
My son said FUBU. I dropped my blunt
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My mans sadi FUBU.... Yooooo. With a serious face... That serious face said it all..
#1 We need to be a force within impactful industries. banking tech transportation agriculture
media This 🥷🏾 talking about fashion WITH A SERIOUS FACE..
#2 He said FUBU. Niggas stop rockin FUBU before Pac died
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41:28 Stop, Stop, Stop 😂 Dr spitting facts
bro he said the drug dealer is essential to the black community wtf am i listening to
That blew my fckin mind... Like are you kiddin me bro? 😂😂😂... Great example of Cognitive Dissonance
Absolutely insane! And theres a ton of people that think this way
You are listening to a blk man talk
That was WILD for him to say!!!!!! Drug dealers bring forth broken homes, theft, death, addiction, prison time and murder.
The drug dealer is essential to destroying the black community.
Why is a dude with those kinda earrings tryna be the voice of hip hop 😂
Word 😂😂😂
Those ear lobe stretchers come from the Maasai people in Africa…it’s African culture…I get it, Mouse should be quiet like a mouse in the house but ear lobe stretchers are African in origin
Lmaooo I’m so dead 😂😂😭😭😭
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@@justinakinsola3305 thanks bru I slick forgot lol. I’m just use to emo gang wearing it.
This guy with the braids is way out of his depth. Loud, wrong and ignorant.. which isn't particularly surprising.
And what makes you different judging a black man with braids???????
Sadly, it's not.
Forreal dumb N always think
They thinking 😒
@@TheNatedoggvacan you point out where the judgment was? He described his hair and described EXACTLY how he was acting. Try again.
he was just one of the apologist of the degeneracy. Always looking for a silver lining but the truth is hip hop is toxic asf. We see skinny jean dredheads slapping teachers now. They are not even thinking about a future. Same issue I have with BLM, turn a blind eye to our issues and get mad when a killing happens by a white man.
Hip hop hasn’t done anything for blk people Period!!!
I’ve never seen Dr Umar cuss this much.
I know but it was most definitely necessary with these guys!
He's frustrated with these interviews how can they defend a culture when it's all water down nonsense.
Me either 😮😅
That’s hip hop lmao
"what has Hip-hop done for black America?" Advancements in fashion!!, Man MLK probably cussed in front of God in heaven...
Umar brings that painful truth.
Yeah, that his “school” will never open.
@@adavis3215be quiet bruh you can’t fill up his shoes niggas always talking shii
@@adavis3215school will open and can't wait to hear your excuses when it does. Besides, if you have never donated to the school why you crying about it not being open? 😂
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You're delusional, go get help now before it's too late.
@@the54th34I do pray they have strong enough medication to help you with your mental disorder.
“Go to law school, you’ll be a great attorney” 😂😂😂
That killed me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wish we had people like Dr.umar in the mexican community
That brother is very intelligent, but he didn’t get the excuse he’s trying to use to make his point. Hip Hop is NOT owned by black culture. Hip Hop does NOT control fashion. Diddy does NOT own Revolt. The answer is Hip Hop has done NOTHING in the past 50 years.
Great conversation though.
The young man with cornrows sounds like he is speaking from a stance that hip hop/rap allowed a few to make some money, get out of the hood, start a fashion line ( maybe hire a few friends and others), Hip hop music social media creators get to monetize their music and voices.
It looks like he sees hip hop making money for black men who didn't have an opportunity to make money regardless that it might be hurting the community.
I'm a 55 year young black woman, and this young guy sounds so ignorant and speaking out online. I'm embarrassed for him. Young black men need to shut up and listen, which is the problem .
Be nice his upbringing probably wasn't the best. 55 you sound more ignorant than him😂
@@RyzenCrewdon’t do that
It's not wise to put all young black men in a box based on 1 young black man POV on a podcast.
55 in the comments speaking on young people yall generation teaching is apart of the problem
I aint never laugh so hard FUBU, CARL KANI IM DEAD
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Karl kani is spelled with a K bro
@@ninjasta4970good for you 👏🏿🍪
@@ninjasta4970K bro. Good job
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@46:58 “the drug dealer is essential to the black community” WTFFFFFFF 😂😂😂😂😭😭
lord im stressed and sweating from this convo lmaoooo
Yesss ooh man. I haven’t seen him this fired up
@@Blessedqueen741The brother was really testing The Good Doctor, it was beautiful 🔥
I think it was a good FUTURE LESSON for the young brother
What doctor Umar is not telling the hip Hop community is how to construct resources for low-income and working class black African-American communities how do you go about building hospitals how do you go about building Banks how do you build about going building schools all these resources that you're claiming that people are not putting in these communities you don't have a blueprint what you can't read any of the are hip hop community content makers a blueprint to go on
Did that guy just say advancement in fashion 🤣🤣 that’s classic idiocy
“How has the community benefited from rap” guy said fashion 💀💀 44:05
Shaq helped the community with fashion. But making clothes tight ripped jeans for $120 not really helpful. We don’t own the taxes on it
like wtffff?????
@@arodrigueznyc1 that doesnt benefit the black community as a whole, only a few individuals would benefit from fashion ,being creative, and things of that nature.
Look at him. Are you surprised?
59:17 _”To win an argument you can’t play both sides”_
That exactly how you win an argument. You see the point from both perspectives. 🤦♂️
Why would this man embarrass himself and waste Dr Umar's time like this?
Umar's right. Hip-Hop has been heartbreaking, the way we just sat back and let it get occupied.
It was our poverty that caused us to love money. The Love of money is the root of all evil.
@@BlackSpiracyNews We can love wealth and good fortune and not teach our children to worship it over each other. But I know what you mean...
My brothers once told me when I was really young, "Go home, you're different." Very glad they did, I had work to do, and so do we...
I felt that In spirit. I'm glad they did as well. 🙏🏾
HipHop culture has been detrimental to the black culture. Young men are killing themselves at a high rate with no accountability. Dr. Umar made a lot good points. The other brother kept his composer while being yelled at and degraded when attempting to make his point. We must also remember that things changed in the 70s with black cinema with the betrayal of black men as pimps and gangsters before N.W.A. The change began in music and cinema prior to the 80s movements. Facts
He kept saying "moving the goal post" when he had nothing to say.
Definitely.
I understand Dr. Umar’s emotion. It’s incredibly frustrating having these conversations with people who just don’t get it. Goodness.
I loved his breakdown of African spirituality! I will have to do more research
That was the most detailed description of African spirituality I ever heard ANYONE speak on! I was mesmerized!
Hip hop has done nothing to positive to the brown/black community.
Just black we not talking to brown
“How can we benefit from fashion bro” 😂
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Bro believes our fashion is something special 😂😂😂😂 . Like others don’t have their own clothes
Yeah bruh dude thought he was doing something with that one 💀
Jobs=money=food= another day to live and maybe minus one that will go to prison
47:26 Dr umar could not believe what he was hearing, thinking he just wasted two hours with these guys 😭
He got paid so he didn’t waste his time 😂😂😂
@@GoodGuidanceTheBrand I was referencing the dialogue they were having, 2 hrs of wasted time speaking to ppl who don’t get it, I wasn’t trying to be surface level, so it’s a bit more than the money.
He sure did
The king needs 2 wivz✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿
But at least we the audience Lear sumtn and know better...at least we can go out and make change
Dr. Umar, I know you felt drained dealing with them. Cause I was drained watching this.
Yeah they was a lil slow
Facts like wtf
That tends to happen when talking to black males. The worst thing they did was giving black males a mic 🎤, podcast, or RUclips channel. 🤦🏽♀️
One of the few subjects that I 100% agree with dr umar
This is why people of a certain experience and education level should not argue with podcast trolls.
But is he wrong in bringing up..
Well what did white people think of black people before hip hop?
Was it really any worse ?
Facts
When that baby said FUBU I hollered 😂😂😂😂😂
😂
Lmaoooooooo
Did you call him "that Baby" ??? How fitting 😅😅😅
That’s a grown man , not a baby
@@nikkione9901 maybe to you dear.
The guy defending hip-hop is a fool
A big fool.
Fr like homie was getting me mad I had to write him on IG and let him kno he slow like wtf
He's a hip hop artist so he's not going to bend all the way to Dr. Umar's side.
Deadass‼️
Makes for good conversation
Even though they disagreed, I'm super happy that they shook hands and agreed to disagree. Thats a start.
There is NO WAY I would’ve engaged this long, it really makes them both look crazy but I totally agree with Dr. Umar
The hip hop community needs this type of engagement. Its not for them, the panelist. The debate is for THE PEOPLE!
Dr Umar's knowledge on west-African spirituality seems super legit. That was such a nice intro to it. Even if you're staunch Christian, Muslim, etc there's no reason to not study it the same way most of us a taught Greco-Romain mythology.
Omg
That guy
Looks like a little 5yr trying to explain himself to his Father
Just Give It Up!!!!!!
I hate when people try to disagree with the obvious truth. He sounds dumb saying whites don’t own music.
Right, we literally gave away 2PAC’s catalog to Eminem 🤦🏾♂️
Fam Its Absolutely asinine
Right it’s the obvious truth I feel those are the ppl who holding us back the most.
I guess master P, pimp c, curren$y, too short, sauce walka are all white then 🤣
@@TrippACroxx We talking main stream global impact yea they cool and but they not having impact like a sexy redd meg the stallion nicki minaj or other artist who push degeneracy on a massive scale most of your top record labels are people that's not black who listen for killing murder fornication and other degrading things to push to the masses its a Ted talk about it they overlooking conscious rappers just for that very reason
The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan said one positive rap song can do more than a 1,000 lectures. This is why the Jewish power structure in Hip Hop keeps the negative rap going because they know if blacks become positive productive people then their flow of money from their exploitation of us would cease.
Amen idk how they can't see that