@@joejohnson8966 tight metal or very open high gain tones are easy to get., including fender/boogie/soldano its the marshall crunch byte and tone that are not easy to get..
I’m seriously amazed how close the amp & the capture are to one another! I’m pretty impressed! I’m curious as to how close the “advanced capture” would be vs the default. Overall, in a mix I’m pretty certain that nobody would be able to pick them apart from one another. You just blew my mind!
I've been using this for about a month now and I'm blown away by how well it works. Like you said it's great to have captures of your own amps and pedals, and be able to share and get from others is a bonus. Game changer for sure.
Glad to see how detailed this process was. I have Focusrite and I never could figure out how to use it with the Tone Capture. I gave up. I’ll give another interface try. Thanks for the post
Tonex is crazy good when done correctly. Mendels video showing the differences in accuracy between kemper, cortex, and Tonex are wild. Tonex the clear winner. Would highly recommend ditching the two notes and going with a different load box like st rock, driftwood, or Suhr, as they actually have a real speaker impedance curve applied to the amp instead of some wonky eq curve.
This. Especially the Suhr box sounds sooo much more accurate than the Torpedo. The St. Rock also seems to be very good, and the Fractal LB-2 (although its low end resonant peak freqency is a little bit too low). Haven‘t heard anything about the one from Driftwood, but TBH I think all the other reactive load boxes currently available are more accurate than the Two Notes stuff.
@@Sven.Jeschke yeah, I own the Suhr and st rock. I don’t even touch the Suhr anymore, because the st rock is better in every way. Can even create your own irs with it very easily.
I dunno, the Andertons guys did a video with a few amps blind comparing the real amp with captures they made and the quad Cortex was very, very hard to hear. There was a definite voicing inherent with the Kemper, but not the quad... like I can't imagine being able to distinguish it vs the amp and thus anything "better." I have seen several videos showing the difficulty getting a good capture on tone X, for example the one from Plague Scythe. Some may get some great stuff on some rigs, but it definitely adds fake lows in the videos I've seen (including Kyle's and he doesn't dial in much low end.)
Super interesting. The differences via youtube are subtle. Would be interesting to hear oldschool crunchy amps. If it works, 249 is a game changer in terms of capturing amps. Thanks and greetz ✌🏼
There might be differences but I'm not picky enough to care, I definitely can use that! I'd dare to say that it gets closer than a Kemper, which have been good enough for so many records over the years. This plugin is on my short list of must have!
IMO this software is perfect for someone with as many amps as you, makes them easily accessible and you can save your favourite tones from each one dialled how you like. The quality is good, but the training times are slow, and the software has a bad GUI. There’s some free options that are even more accurate than ToneX and also train quicker that may be worth a look too.
@@naturaljoe759 check out NAM (Neural Amp Modeller) and Proteus. I really like NAM, and the guy behind it has profiled a few of my amps during his development
I can see this very useful. I don't have as many amps and cabs as you do, but I got a pretty decent stock and running out of room as well. But where does this fall compared to a Kemper, Quad cortex, synergy preamp, and even pedal preamp?
That's amazing, I can rent great amps to capture them as well as my overdrive and distortion pedals, and not have to lug all that gear to gigs, where space may be limited on stage.
Colour me impressed. There was a point in the tweaking where you had the capture sounding so damned close!. The ToneX was missing just a bit of warmth, other than that, it was too close!.
you will need a reamp box if sending out the DI track from scarlett, I believe those are line level out and are meant for outboard gears like preamp and compressor
@@belligerentamateur i mean if you want to utilize the line output of your focusrite, to just match the level before sending the signal to tonex. but you have your presonus anyway so nevermind lol :D
Sounds Identical! Hey Kyle, I was really hoping to download your Triple xxx plugin but the download link to it is DOA, do you have another working download link?
Kyle! This a cry for help! You have mezzabarba and splawn amps so plz make an advanced captures of those in the tonenet!!! Triple x sounds great but those two are the best there is.
eh Kyle! good video as usual ;) I would really like to hear the difference if you do the full thing and also it would be nice to see you doing the capture without the box; you know, because you mentioned it... would you do a video about you capturing your 10 best amp? Cheerz!
Kyle one more question,is there a way to have a for example a tube screamer OD stompbox model in front of a ToneX amp model?I cannot find a way to do it?
Cool review bro. I don't know if it's my imagination or real difference, but I can feel a richness in the real amp that the plugin is not able to replace. But I'm sure it's maybe my imagination. Sure I can't differ one from the other in the mix.
The smooth that you are talking about is the dynamic range of it. The Tonex is slightly compressed, something almost all plug-ins suffer from, but I have to give it to IK, this is beyond impressive. And to be honest playing it, I for the first time ever feel like I'm not playing digital. I'm wondering if the advanced setting gives that DR back to the signal? All I know is the stuff IK has preset is game changer.
Thought you got some great results! I agree about the gain and EQ differences but I also heard it lacked a little dynamics and 3D sound as with all plugins vs hardware/amplifier counterpart but I doubt it would be an issue in a mix. Real amp is still better as always but now we're talking like... That 10% better so... The real question is do you think it's worth $150 to get the capture function? Would you buy it?
Honestly, yes. I'd totally invest in it. For me personally, I find reamping to be a PITA - from setting up, to the actual tone chase portion, and then sitting and waiting for a bunch of di's to be re-recoeded with the new tone - this accomplishes all of that and saves so much time. Being that I'm limited on space and volume most of the time, I really think it's incredibly useful for the home studio or guitarist tracking his own stuff and wanting to use their own amp tones and have them at their fingertips!
I bought my copy last nighht and I'm excited to know if it can capture my Mark V just right. Next vacation i take at my kin's, will be the time to discover.
Poor quad cortex took so long to dethrone Kemper for profiling and then ik made them irrelevant in a year. Neural should stick to making overpriced plugins that require you to buy pack after pack just to use one effect.
if ik would remove the stupid fake hiss they add and/or allow tweaking it a little like helix does that initial capture would have been more bang on. sounds killer though.
I've been trying to do my first capture all last night until this morning with that damn 18i20 and finally gave up after 8 -9 !@#$%! hours! I tried everything, watched every video on the plant, rerouted things umpteen million times and couldn't even get it to capture let alone get a bad capture 🤬
Ik Multimedia just came up with the best capturing device in the market and it's 80% cheaper than all the competitors lol That will make all of them lower their overpriced products prices if they want to stay in the market... and also that's probably gonna make amp companies lower their prices too because now you can literally have their overpriced amps for less than 500 bucks. I love Capitalism.
that's literally in this video my man. The need for this is also explained. You can capture and carry your amps on your PC without having to have a $2,000 device (the QC, Kemper) and then use them as plugins. It's incredibly useful and honestly Im surprised it took a company this long to do it this way, but it's here now!
@@belligerentamateur I hear ya, but a stomp option like the QC is very use full. Playing a guitar and having to use an PC is very difficult to do simultaneously.
@@DJ33 it's all user scenario man, both serve both the same and different purposes. It may not be easier for you, but for someone else they may view it as much easier. For recording purposes, I would take tonex and my own amp captures 10/10 times over my QC because it's not an extra piece of equipment I need to hook up and route.
@@belligerentamateur true, I meant to add this would be great in a studio setting. All at you finger tips for DAW and recording stuff….then again plugin quality it’s mighty hard to beat.
It's interesting but seems kind of redundant if the kemper profiler already has this technology like 10 years ago. Also not to be a douche, but why not just use the preampout of the amp into NadIR and just hit record? I don't see the advantage of going through all the trouble, seems like more leg work and tweaking to get what you've already got. I made a video that covers the advantages of using the preampout if anyone's interested. ruclips.net/video/F3l5xmjuqsQ/видео.html&ab_channel=Matty
preamp out bypasses Half of the amps tone generation/voicing - The power section. if you want the full voice of the amp, the power amp is absolutely necessary and is why the vast majority of people prefer to capture the entire amp instead of just the preamp, like yourself.
@@belligerentamateur That's exactly how Herman Lii and Sam Totman use their Rocktron Prophecy. You're wrong actually. Plus a virtual capture of a sonic frequency signature analysis obviously isn't going to give you the same rich sound as a real high gain tube amp. It might sound similar on a recording, but the feel in your hands is terrible with amp sims. It's better to use a Two Notes Torpedo and their chug DynIR pack than what this method prescribes.
The Amp Capturing Future is NOW!
Download my ToneX KB Triple XXX Capture Here! - ruclips.net/video/kELXPwT9oj4/видео.html
this link is youtube video toneX low Q. don't seem to be your capture?
It is amazing. I've been playing it from yesterday. Outstanding job.
Great video thanks! But the link to download doesn't work?
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It says the video isn't available anymore
@@joejohnson8966 tight metal or very open high gain tones are easy to get., including fender/boogie/soldano
its the marshall crunch byte and tone that are not easy to get..
I’m seriously amazed how close the amp & the capture are to one another! I’m pretty impressed! I’m curious as to how close the “advanced capture” would be vs the default.
Overall, in a mix I’m pretty certain that nobody would be able to pick them apart from one another. You just blew my mind!
I've been using this for about a month now and I'm blown away by how well it works. Like you said it's great to have captures of your own amps and pedals, and be able to share and get from others is a bonus. Game changer for sure.
Glad to see how detailed this process was. I have Focusrite and I never could figure out how to use it with the Tone Capture. I gave up. I’ll give another interface try. Thanks for the post
Tonex is crazy good when done correctly. Mendels video showing the differences in accuracy between kemper, cortex, and Tonex are wild. Tonex the clear winner. Would highly recommend ditching the two notes and going with a different load box like st rock, driftwood, or Suhr, as they actually have a real speaker impedance curve applied to the amp instead of some wonky eq curve.
This. Especially the Suhr box sounds sooo much more accurate than the Torpedo. The St. Rock also seems to be very good, and the Fractal LB-2 (although its low end resonant peak freqency is a little bit too low). Haven‘t heard anything about the one from Driftwood, but TBH I think all the other reactive load boxes currently available are more accurate than the Two Notes stuff.
@@Sven.Jeschke yeah, I own the Suhr and st rock. I don’t even touch the Suhr anymore, because the st rock is better in every way. Can even create your own irs with it very easily.
I dunno, the Andertons guys did a video with a few amps blind comparing the real amp with captures they made and the quad Cortex was very, very hard to hear. There was a definite voicing inherent with the Kemper, but not the quad... like I can't imagine being able to distinguish it vs the amp and thus anything "better." I have seen several videos showing the difficulty getting a good capture on tone X, for example the one from Plague Scythe. Some may get some great stuff on some rigs, but it definitely adds fake lows in the videos I've seen (including Kyle's and he doesn't dial in much low end.)
I'll add that I DO think this product is more accurate than the Kemper in terms of gain character. I'll bet it feels better to play.
@@John-mh9ty check out Mendels it actually includes a null test and frequency response graphs.
Super interesting. The differences via youtube are subtle. Would be interesting to hear oldschool crunchy amps. If it works, 249 is a game changer in terms of capturing amps. Thanks and greetz ✌🏼
I just purchased this and haven't even had the time to use it yet. I'm now definitely glad I did.
Kyle sounds great!! My fav amp hands down. Killer videos. Really do a great job with products etc..
There might be differences but I'm not picky enough to care, I definitely can use that! I'd dare to say that it gets closer than a Kemper, which have been good enough for so many records over the years. This plugin is on my short list of must have!
That's amazing. You should do another video with your JMP on advanced. Ive never heard a Marshall get captured correctly so itd be interestinh
Weird. My comment about NAM and GuitarML isnt showing up.
Free, open-source versions of this kind of software.
Look up Steve Atkinson for NAM (Neural Amp Modeler).
IMO this software is perfect for someone with as many amps as you, makes them easily accessible and you can save your favourite tones from each one dialled how you like.
The quality is good, but the training times are slow, and the software has a bad GUI. There’s some free options that are even more accurate than ToneX and also train quicker that may be worth a look too.
What free options would these be?
@@naturaljoe759 check out NAM (Neural Amp Modeller) and Proteus. I really like NAM, and the guy behind it has profiled a few of my amps during his development
I can see this very useful. I don't have as many amps and cabs as you do, but I got a pretty decent stock and running out of room as well. But where does this fall compared to a Kemper, Quad cortex, synergy preamp, and even pedal preamp?
That's amazing, I can rent great amps to capture them as well as my overdrive and distortion pedals, and not have to lug all that gear to gigs, where space may be limited on stage.
Colour me impressed. There was a point in the tweaking where you had the capture sounding so damned close!. The ToneX was missing just a bit of warmth, other than that, it was too close!.
That camera is really doing you dirty right now lol.
you will need a reamp box if sending out the DI track from scarlett, I believe those are line level out and are meant for outboard gears like preamp and compressor
the capture is a re-amp box
@@belligerentamateur i mean if you want to utilize the line output of your focusrite, to just match the level before sending the signal to tonex. but you have your presonus anyway so nevermind lol :D
@@belligerentamateur he's talking about adjusting the output on the focusrite so it's a hotter signal
"Bang Your Bong" should be the name of a Cannabis Corpse song. 🤣
I think he said Bing your bong
Did you use a different frame rate camera on this video?
You never discussed the feel. Any thoughts on that?
What's the frame rate on this video? 15 fps??
This and the inferno capture. Sick!!!
Sounds Identical! Hey Kyle, I was really hoping to download your Triple xxx plugin but the download link to it is DOA, do you have another working download link?
Kyle! This a cry for help! You have mezzabarba and splawn amps so plz make an advanced captures of those in the tonenet!!! Triple x sounds great but those two are the best there is.
Thx for the capture , its great!
eh Kyle! good video as usual ;) I would really like to hear the difference if you do the full thing and also it would be nice to see you doing the capture without the box; you know, because you mentioned it... would you do a video about you capturing your 10 best amp? Cheerz!
Nice Video! I'm using it on my Ipad with a small Go twin interface in my Helix FX loop
Kyle one more question,is there a way to have a for example a tube screamer OD stompbox model in front of a ToneX amp model?I cannot find a way to do it?
Cool review bro. I don't know if it's my imagination or real difference, but I can feel a richness in the real amp that the plugin is not able to replace. But I'm sure it's maybe my imagination. Sure I can't differ one from the other in the mix.
what are your thoughts on Amplitube 5? just bought it for 100 when it was on sale. Sounds pretty ok to me.
Great job man…love your videos
Mac users - CPU, PC users - GPU. Here with my PC and RTX 3060 TI Advanced mode takes 16 min :D
Sounds good without IR
Main thing I notice. Is the real amp is a little smoother sounding.
The smooth that you are talking about is the dynamic range of it. The Tonex is slightly compressed, something almost all plug-ins suffer from, but I have to give it to IK, this is beyond impressive. And to be honest playing it, I for the first time ever feel like I'm not playing digital. I'm wondering if the advanced setting gives that DR back to the signal? All I know is the stuff IK has preset is game changer.
Thought you got some great results! I agree about the gain and EQ differences but I also heard it lacked a little dynamics and 3D sound as with all plugins vs hardware/amplifier counterpart but I doubt it would be an issue in a mix. Real amp is still better as always but now we're talking like... That 10% better so...
The real question is do you think it's worth $150 to get the capture function? Would you buy it?
Honestly, yes. I'd totally invest in it. For me personally, I find reamping to be a PITA - from setting up, to the actual tone chase portion, and then sitting and waiting for a bunch of di's to be re-recoeded with the new tone - this accomplishes all of that and saves so much time. Being that I'm limited on space and volume most of the time, I really think it's incredibly useful for the home studio or guitarist tracking his own stuff and wanting to use their own amp tones and have them at their fingertips!
Kyle i signed up for Tonenet and found your XXX captures but i cannot find any way to download them?
do you have the ton x app?
@@belligerentamateur Yes i have the free version of ToneX on my windows 10 computer.
sold im buying i couldnt tell a difference kyle you rock you have inspired me to consider a youtube channel. shoot me some gear bro! lol
I bought my copy last nighht and I'm excited to know if it can capture my Mark V just right. Next vacation i take at my kin's, will be the time to discover.
Good morning Kyle. A favor? Please tell me the name of your 'go to' noise gate.
already replied to your comment yesterday
I humbly request you capture the Tremoverb using advanced. 🙂
I'm sure you're gonna review the Symour Duncon Power Stage Power Amp next
Poor quad cortex took so long to dethrone Kemper for profiling and then ik made them irrelevant in a year. Neural should stick to making overpriced plugins that require you to buy pack after pack just to use one effect.
Hey Kyle Just FYI I have a Nvidia graphics card and it takes only 30 minutes for an advanced capture.
Nice capture, I’d pay for more from your amp collection.
This is pretty cool. Might be time to buy a decent laptop
bought it, love it
Great piece of gear
If you made helix packs I’d appreciate it and buy them. I understand why you don’t but just saying 😊 that being said this capture tech is pretty cool
if ik would remove the stupid fake hiss they add and/or allow tweaking it a little like helix does that initial capture would have been more bang on. sounds killer though.
That sounds so damn close hahaha
I've been trying to do my first capture all last night until this morning with that damn 18i20 and finally gave up after 8 -9 !@#$%! hours! I tried everything, watched every video on the plant, rerouted things umpteen million times and couldn't even get it to capture let alone get a bad capture 🤬
Jason Bourne approved
Nice!
That seems complicated as hell. I'll admit I'm a dumbass though
Tonex has more shaft, amp has more ballz
Sounds very close to me.
Kemper snoozed now they lose. Selling 10 year old hardware for 2 grand, it was only a matter of time.
cool
Just in case any one tries Kyles 9 x'r in ToneX don't forget to add a cab else it will sound like ass
Ik Multimedia just came up with the best capturing device in the market and it's 80% cheaper than all the competitors lol
That will make all of them lower their overpriced products prices if they want to stay in the market... and also that's probably gonna make amp companies lower their prices too because now you can literally have their overpriced amps for less than 500 bucks. I love Capitalism.
Hahaha BANG YER BONG!!
ToneX made me do something I would never imagine doing previously : selling my kemper…! It’s so much better
Seems cool, but as QC fan boy I'm not seeing a need for all this. Honestly a in-depth on how you do a capture would be cool.
that's literally in this video my man. The need for this is also explained. You can capture and carry your amps on your PC without having to have a $2,000 device (the QC, Kemper) and then use them as plugins. It's incredibly useful and honestly Im surprised it took a company this long to do it this way, but it's here now!
@@belligerentamateur I hear ya, but a stomp option like the QC is very use full. Playing a guitar and having to use an PC is very difficult to do simultaneously.
@@DJ33 it's all user scenario man, both serve both the same and different purposes. It may not be easier for you, but for someone else they may view it as much easier. For recording purposes, I would take tonex and my own amp captures 10/10 times over my QC because it's not an extra piece of equipment I need to hook up and route.
@@belligerentamateur true, I meant to add this would be great in a studio setting. All at you finger tips for DAW and recording stuff….then again plugin quality it’s mighty hard to beat.
So confused
It's interesting but seems kind of redundant if the kemper profiler already has this technology like 10 years ago. Also not to be a douche, but why not just use the preampout of the amp into NadIR and just hit record? I don't see the advantage of going through all the trouble, seems like more leg work and tweaking to get what you've already got.
I made a video that covers the advantages of using the preampout if anyone's interested.
ruclips.net/video/F3l5xmjuqsQ/видео.html&ab_channel=Matty
preamp out bypasses Half of the amps tone generation/voicing - The power section. if you want the full voice of the amp, the power amp is absolutely necessary and is why the vast majority of people prefer to capture the entire amp instead of just the preamp, like yourself.
The main benefit is that it's $150 and it's not tied to any hardware.
@@belligerentamateur That's exactly how Herman Lii and Sam Totman use their Rocktron Prophecy. You're wrong actually. Plus a virtual capture of a sonic frequency signature analysis obviously isn't going to give you the same rich sound as a real high gain tube amp. It might sound similar on a recording, but the feel in your hands is terrible with amp sims. It's better to use a Two Notes Torpedo and their chug DynIR pack than what this method prescribes.
My humble opinion is that a computer is not a guitar amplifier. You might capture the tone... but you'll never capture the FEEL of a real amp.