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I made these tone Models for you all!
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KSR Modified Dual Rectifier - 1999 Mesa Traditional 412 V30 - Deadweald Duality Green Boost - SM57
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Kyle have you tried Polychrome yet? Thomas McRocklin just released it and it’s a killer dsp system.
Kyle i have the free version of Tonex but when i load your free amp models i get white noise every 10 sec.or so?It seems like what a demo version does with new amp models?
You rule
@@jimsimmons2674 Thats because of limits in the free version - IIRC it only lets you download 20 or so profiles from ToneNet (it includes trying them in any way while browsing, not just downloading to keep, from my testing so seems to get used up fast)
Is there a way to delete or replace a amp profile for kyle's amp profile?
For those of us who are just regular Joe's, who can't afford a wall of awesome tube heads, this is a game changer. To have access to countless amazing amps for a few hundred bucks was completely unheard of 25 years ago when I started playing, even 10 years ago. I can't wait to see what the next couple years bring.
Agreed. It's a great time to play guitar! Ha!
We are in the golden era of guitar gear, as far as I'm concerned!
Game changer? There are many better modelers that have tons of different amps that have been out for years and are affordable. This Tone X has no FX loop, headphone out, Xlr so how is this a game changer?
@@BkBk-gy6vr That's one thing I was wondering, no effects loop? meh. perhaps there's like a "pro" model coming down the road but I'm sure that would be 1k for just preamp no power
@@BkBk-gy6vrthey got the best Tonez
Nice. Thanks for throwing that into a Powerstage. You know this is just the beginning of the ToneX stuff. They will have improved software and in a year have a multi effects pedal that’s an all in one unit. 🤘
@@aaronsinger The full on giant board will be their next thing and my next purchase whenever it hits.
Just got my Tonex pedal two days ago so I’m just scratching the surface if it but so far it has far exceeded my expectations. Hopefully some content creators will upload a tutorial on capturing using the pedal. I have loads of pedals and amps to capture for Tonenet 😎
Great piece of gear. I agree, the ability to place a captured Pedal in front of a captured Amp is an important functionality that should be added to ToneX. I'm guessing that IK Multimedia will add that feature soon. I think it was important for them to get ToneX into the market, and they can go ahead and roll out improvements after getting some feedback from users.
I'm betting you're right
I don't think it'll be added. The tonex one is out now and same problem. I mean who wants to lack a stomp tube screamer in front?
For $399.....wow. This totally makes sense. Hopefully they left headroom in the unit to add more features, etc.
Great review! Love to hear your thoughts on how the Tonex pedal works in a band/rehearsal situation.
Kyle! Relatively new viewer and new subscriber here. I recently acquired the Tonex and was browsing profiles. I found the KSR Dual Rec just by happenstance and saw it was yours, had to leave a note here about it. It has now replaced everything as my primary rhythm tone now. The sheer balls that thing has is crazy. Thank you for throwing that up on the tonenet.
thanks so much for dropping by to let me know! Genuinely appreciate the feedback. I plan to make some more in the coming months!
First demo of someone doing demo through a real amp. Every other RUclipsr doing monitor demos. 90% of the time I want to move air as opposed to condensed monitor sound so thank you!
Anderton's needs to do it this way, then the Captain would be satisfied, that is his gripe everytime they demo something thru monitors, he says it just does not do the Amp/Cab. Feel that he is looking for.
I’ve been loving tonex so far but I hope they can eventually the issue with the difference in low end between source and capture because it gets the rest so spot on.
Did the Granophyre !
Hey Kyle...great demo, I got mine today but unfortunately its going back. I play these things with a tube power amp and real cabinet (Helix and Kemper also). But this Tonex just wasn't doing it for me. I see you also mentioning the same I was experiencing, sag and resistance...too much for me, I dont get that with the others and never have. This Tonex is probably geared towards recording, HOF or FRFR, not live imo.
Love to see how your amps are just piling up at background! 🤘😁
not too bad...have you ever tried the older TSE X50 5150 amp sim? its so f badass man. The Ryan Harvey IR's and the way the amp sags is really the best 5150 sim out there. There's a dude who did a video demonstrating 12 diff 5150 amp sims and the tse seemed to be the most realistic. The 2nd place was the vtar amps model and I tried it in person and it's quite good but it's a standalone vst so TSE beats it because it has a tubescreamer, noise gate, tuner, post EQ, cab sim and the worlds best IR's for metal/chugs all built in. And it's super low CPU/latency response. Still the king
Not gonna lie, I've been honestly eyeing IK's $450 AXE I/O interface/software bundle ($2,000 value!) for a few weeks now.
My hang up with digital amps has always been in regards to using my pre-existing analog "front of amp" pedals i.e.
Wha, Boost, OD, Distortion, and Fuzz with them. Results just widely vary and tend to disapoint.
I think IK has finally solved those issues by utilizing things like pairing variable instrument impedance alongside Jfet transistors on an atypically higher headroom input.
From what I gather the ToneX pedal borrows from the AXE I/O in that regard, and thus boasts that when physically putting your OD in front of your amp and the ToneX capture of said amp?
It will perform 99.9% as one expects it should!
Wowzers!
That's honestly a huge game changer for me, as I am traditionally an all analog rig lover transitioning to digital, but refuses to give up my font end analog signal chain!
Not only that?!
This ToneX pedal introduces technology to the masses that was physically only obtainable at literally three times (or more!) the introduction price just a few years prior!
That's a huge leap IMO. Damn!
It's a great time to love guitar!
Great content as always Kyle!!
Rock on dude!!!
I have the Axe I/O Solo and in my experience it has the best guitar/instrument input I've used. I went through quite a few interfaces in the 500 and under price range before I settled on it. The Jfet switch and impedance control does more than RUclips videos can show you. I also feel like the Axe Solo has enough headroom for anyone. Whether you're using active or passive pickups it has the headroom. In one of my Ibanez I have very hot passives and though I nearly have to go all the way down on the passive pickup setting, it does cover it. This was a huge problem with many of the other interfaces I used.
The only knock I could give to it is that the amp out on my untit is not quite as hot as it should be. Some have worked around this by boosting the amp out signal with a pedal but you shouldn't have to do that. I've heard they fixed this on the newer models so maybe that's no longer a problem either.
It takes pedals in front very well in my opinion and the mic input is much better than I expected, considering it's an interface targeted towards guitarists and trying to be under a certain price range.
In short, it'll do it and it's worth the money. There are always better options if money is no obstacle of course.
Thanks for the video. I ordered one myself before seeing this video so will run through my own tests but I'm afraid that it will sound lifeless like most digital modelers. Knowing that you put it through a SD PS 200 typically doesn't help with what I'm hoping for but I will definitely put it through my Fryette PS-100 and compare it to my Quad Cortex. At the price point you can't beat it though.
I ordered one then watched a bunch of videos and Im not impressed by the sounds. Then I found out mo FX loop and no headphones out, no XLR. I emailed IK to cancel mine. Fake hype just like QC
@Bk Bk I'll def put it through its paces. I have a hard time watching everyone's videos about it especially when they don't use it for my application. Kyle is the closest. Mind you I absolutely love my Quad cortex with my Fryette PS-100. So ill will compare them on my channel my way. I have the capture box and pedal OTW.
what is needed for a mic'd cab to record?
1 Have guitar.
2 have amp.
3 have speaker.
4 have mic.
5 Also have bass, amp, speaker and mic.
Now what?
Get EZ drummer? And what else?
A recording interface and a computer and a daw?
Killer and concise video man. What a crazy time to be a guitarist and/or a recording engineer. Basically we can make our own plugins to use in the studio or live. I never thought that would be thing. I’m definitely more into the analog side of the guitar equation, but the power and convenience of digital is impossible to deny at this point. What a great tool. Cheers.
Couldn't agree more and I'm with you on all points. Making your own plugin is right! It's a wild concept but so cool
When everything is for everybody and music is for free we have so much toys which will change nothing any more.
Thanks for the review, you did an awesome job and thanks for your honesty concerning the pedal. I really appreciate that you put it through a real cab at the end.. i use an amp on stage, yours is the only review that actually used a real cab. So thanks again.
Do I have to have the $250 Tonex Capture to capture my amps sounds or can I do it through the Tonex pedal? Great content and thank you.
So stoked you have a video on this.
My question is how or can you connect this to a guitar amp. Four cable method? Straight in front with the amp all set to noon? Through the effects loop? Or not at all?
I would treat it like a Helix or Axe. If you can do the 4CM then that's your best results.
Edit: this is why you don't take advice from people like myself on the Internet. It does not have the required in and outs for 4CM so straight in the front is the way.
Would be cool if there were deep amp editing parameters like Fractal. Changing power tube types or even power amp models.
For me is better an easy one : I want play guitar and not loose time to change 2000 parameters.
Im interested in this. Seems like a good idea as interface /modeler. When I'm playing at home I cant really turn up my amp if my wife is home as she lost hearing in one ear so we have to be careful of loud sounds so she doesnt go completely deaf. I would need the other piece but I could profile my own amps when I get to turn them up then have them when I'm just jamming around at night without paying 1800 for a QC or Kemper.
Hello there. Kyle, as a suggestion, can u share your songs on Deezer, too? It's similar to Spotify and popular as it is in some countries (like Brazil, for instance). Cheers
The USB not being Type C drives me nuts.
Kinda wild, I agree
It's a flimsier connector compared to a type B.
Fire up the Rhodes KSR please Kyle
Yep, KSR captures would be nice. I may make some this week for the Gemini, Ceres, and Vesta.
awesome vid! thanks for sharing the amps and was really nice to try it if a poweramp and de 4x12, none has done this to the moment and it is one of the most interesting applications for live playing in my opinion.
Cheers!
Your Profiles are so great, thank you so much. I tested with frfr and real cab and i love it. Great job 👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks man!
I’m so lost when it comes to this sort of technology. I really need to learn how to use and utilize this sort of stuff.
Kyle, I saw that Rockerverb MK3 behind you, make a review ;)
Great video Kyle thanks man, this is easier to obtain than most of the ones in it's field. Seems like a solid pedal and sounds good
That thing is crazy awesome. I am super curious how it would sound in a band setting with a power amp. If it's really good I"m buying it. I'm skeptical though. Seems too good to be true.
Great video. As someone who can't afford a Quad Cortex or an Axe FX, this is a very interesting alternative. I was thinking about trying the software, but having a physical unit and the software together just makes more sense.
Hey Kyle, I am also form the same area as you. Congrats on the success of the channel !!! I bought the Tonex pedal after a few months of watching reviews. Right now I am trying to get it up and running in my studio rig. I am trying to integrate it ( please don't laugh ) with my eleven rack modeler. I have it running in the effects loop and it seems okay so far. I would like to know if you can control both units at the same time to do patch/ rig/ tone model changes through MIDI? Examples, use the Tonex for the amp and cab models, but use the Eleven rack to run delay and chorus, Then switch to a drive sound and the tone model changes along with a an eleven rack sounds. All seamlessly on both units. Can out help out, or know someone who can? I agree that you should be able to run tone modeled drive pedals along with any tone modeled amp. If you can mix and match amps and cabs, why not drive pedals and amps? I just hope that if they do update this, it can somehow be a software/ firmware update and not a new pedal that you have to buy ( with my luck ). That's why I waited to buy it, to see how the reviews went for a few months
You can make every item you test sound damn good especially the midrange settings.
I own an Ironball into a 1x12 Hesu Satan but whenever I try to bump up the mods, it sounds like shit so that I have to compensate with an EQ in the loop. How come?
Is my cab completely faulty or am I deaf or something?
I really hope you could get me a clue on this. If not, it’s ok. Your channel is great!
As a harmonica player, this Tonex player seems very enticing, if ... it can be patched with the elusive combination of unobtainably rare & expensive amps that actually sound & work well for amplified harmonica. Whether or not it'll be achievable at any stage it's hard to say, but I love the concept of having an all-in-one tone box, then plug into a clean amp, FR/FR speaker or PA. I think the price point of the Tonex is pretty reasonable considering what other products cost. In the meantime, I'll sit on the fence and think about it.
Thanks for showing the computer visual too. It's the platform that I believe is more important than most factors. This one looks quite easy to fiddle with.
I mentioned this same issue on Taylor Danley's youtube channel earlier today about the Overdrive Pedals not being able to be used along with Amp and Cab models!The Stompbox pedals need there own pedal effect block added to Tonex,maybe they will do this in a future firmware update?Kyle i am glad you brought this up,are you going to mention this directly to IK Multimedia?
They watched the review before it went live so they know my thoughts
Can it be directly connected to PC studio monitors with those output 1/4" jacks and then the USB cable to the PC? Or does ToneX require a separate audio interface to be able to ham through PC plugins?
5150 capture sounded great. I would like to see you do some drop tunings in your video. you play that same riff all the time. Time to learn a new riff brah heheh. Capture some neural vsts or stl tones. that would be sweet to hear too.
Great video - you covered a lot of ground. One thing was to compare the original amp thru SM57 vs the setup you had at the end with SM57. It sounded a little dark at the end - but maybe not.
Great content Kyle! Can you do some mic shootouts/demos please? I'm looking to record but there's not a lot of high gain demos of mics!
Awesome video! Can it have cab sim ON in the headphone out but have cab sim OFF in the outputs...like a global setting?
Thanks for your videos Kyle! Did you keep the Seymour Duncan settings at 12 o'clock for the most part?
Dude. Great overview. I just got one and am impressed as all hell. Your face tells the story when you are content with the sound 😂. I’ll download your models tonight and check em out.
Kyle can you try to get hold of a Seymour Duncan PowerStage 170, Blackstar Amped 1, ISP Stealth Ultra-Lite, Orange Pedal Baby, etc., and some other clean power amps, and see what works best for powering the ToneX through a cabinet?
Now that you have an HX Stomp it would be cool to see it paired with this, to use for effects, and run through your power amp.
Incredible piece of gear and software! Thanks so much for the tone models!
Very welcome! Hope you enjoy!
Just bought mine!!
Maybe someone can answer this?, sending two sends out to front of house and using the tonex pedal, (L,R) outputs, is there a way to pan left for an electric and pan right for an acoustic?
Thanks for the video. I almost accidentally bought one of these. Nobody, not even IK Multimedia tells you that this pedal isn't meant to be used with an actual guitar amplifier. I'm sure it would sound great if you ran into a power amplifier and a full-range speaker system, but nobody tells you that. Also, no FX loop is huge fail. Anyways, I appreciate what you do.
you love parroting unimport info..polly wanna cracker? why dont you learn to play guitar first and THEN worry about stuff that doesnt matter?
You could run this through the FX loop of a regular guitar amp, as this is essentially a preamp and the FX loop on a regular guitar amp is (typically at least) after the preamp but before the power amp. I know that lots of people do this specifically with things like the ToneX and other similar products like the Quad Cortex instead of also getting a separate power amp. One guy I know specifically uses the FX loop on his JCM900 as a power amp for his Quad Cortex.
One think that would be really cool, if you could turn the poweramps on and of like you can cabs, that would make it far more versatile. You could run it in your effects loop return and not have double poweramp.
Sounds amazing! Can you add high and low cuts to custom IRs? Also is there really no way to add captured drive pedals in front of a captured amp on the ToneX pedal? I was considering selling my HX Stomp for it but these two things would be a deal breaker for using just this pedal live
This is very cool. I would like to see a higher tier option with a larger screen possibly a touchscreen and easier to use interface.
Cool vid Kyle, with Tonex there is more than plug and play right? Subscriptions needed for more functions etc. Is that correct?
no subscriptions as far as I'm aware, but there are premium paid tone models available
@@belligerentamateur hmm ok. Based on another video I thought there was. Either way QC fanboy here
Was recently thinking of doing an HX Stomp + Pedal Baby/ Power Stage setup setup for playing live instead of lugging my 5150 around, but honestly this is probably gonna change that given its price and being more straightforward than a mega multi FX/modeller like the HX. Hell, even when im just at home It'll sound great through my cabs.
When using the tonex to play through a cab, how would you go about using delay and reverb pedals with it? Would you put the reverb and delay right after the tonex pedal and before the power amp?
Yep!
What is the feel? Spongey like all the rest or did they figure it out yet? Clean breakup feel? It sounds baked in super scooped on every tone here.
If it was a power amplifier, like the blackstar amped3, I’d like it more.
Thats a cool piece of gear but im really curious about that Headfirst amp behind you 🤓
You'll find out soon enough!
Why does everybody assume that people know how this all connects together.. a video showing that wouldn't go a miss...
cooL kyle glad you love the pedaL.
I use and think so much like you in this video. I do use a powerstage with a cabinet always with my Kemper. I’m really liking your demos
Could you A/B your tonex capture and the tonex pedal with a power amp, and the real amp you captured using your amp switcher?
Would be cool, might be a future capture device style shootout but not sure yet
How are you liking the Alta? I guess you'll make a video of it at some point. I'm loving mine, it's a definite keeper.
How many amps and cabs come preloaded and are they models or captures? Anything notable?
I am gonna wait until they get a nice bigger version with color interface screen like headrush. I suspect it will happen eventually. Going through all that the way you have to adjust things looks really annoying.
Does the output have the ability to go straight out to a mixing desk for a direct sound live? Or would I need a DI box after it?
Hi there Kyle. It is possible to capture with any DI or only with the ToneX Capture hardware? For example, with Kemper DI?
Dude..that tone in and arounds 13:03 and 13:41. SOLD!
I have a couple of amps that I use to record with.
I record direct.
The amps don't sound anywhere near as good going direct as they do going through a cab.
My question is will the TONEX sound as good going direct as it does coming out of your cab?
I do not want to buy one and then have to send it back.
Yo Kyle it’s funny you and I share the same vocalist. Mike Ledet told me about your channel. So my question is I need a new amp for practice, recording, and maybe a handful of shows a year. No touring just for fun…I used to play a 5150 but I recently came across your video about the ToneX. I’m just wondering should I skip on the 5150 and go all digital this time and have access to many amps instead of being stuck with one? I would get the poweramp for a 4x12 cab. I’m just afraid it’s not gonna be loud enough for band practice and not have that tube sound. But man I’m so close in pulling the trigger this sounds amazing! $399 is a steal! 👊🏻🤘🏻
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Hey dude, nice video as usual. Not sure what's changed with your camera but it's like the frame rate has dropped or something. The image quality is a touch choppy/blurry. Just an fyi
Sounds awesome. Does someone have a good ir that they just use for everything? I have a pod go and find the whole thing overwhelming.
does the vst sound as good as with the pedal or is the pedal making the tones thaanks
are you able to add pedals to your preset and are you able to control them with the a/b/c buttons on the unit?
So would I be able to just use this pedal into a cab? Or do I need anything else to do so?
did they just miss putting in an effects loop? how do you add your modulation effects post amp?
last week I was digging through models on the tonex app, which is a friggin nightmare ... why can't you search by amp at least?
anyway, I'm going through these different captures and discover a few that sounded really awesome ,better than any others I'd found....
and I see the captures were by none other than Kyle Bull, youtuber I'm subscribed to! Thanks for the bad ass captures dude !
appreciate you man, really glad you're digging it
This or the Ampero ii for metal tones?
Powerful little pedal. Great stuff Kyle
Thanks man! I agree
Great review. Can I use 2 different cab impulses in the same time and mix it? Thank You.
Great check, my compliment! A pity that you didn't show us the "massive" sound. Could you please be so kind to do this in another video?
Honesty is a very important thing- that is also why I am subscribed. Great job as always!
Nice product. My question is how did they travel back to 1977 to steal the calculator screen though?
I agree, it looks like the screen on a Zoom pedal from 20 years ago.
Its is actually cool looking imho
Can't wait to spell boobs on it
Wonder if anyone tried modeling a PRS horsemeat pedal on this!
16:26 this dude is SAVAGE 💀
Hey man do you position the sm57 in TONEX the same as you would a real mic ?
This unit is only stereo if your using the reverb, otherwise its mono. The stereo comes completely at the end of the signal chain, so after the cabinet. For most, this is fine, but is your not using the reverb, then there's NO stereo.
Of course, you need a stereo pedal to get stereo since amps, compressors, noise gates, are not stereo just like any other rig.
Woah woah woah, so you're telling me that IK Multimedia basically created an affordable Kemper? o.O
I heard you can upload setups online and from amplitube then, access through tonex then, assign to pedal with any amplitube setup you can make...
All I K Media software...? 🤷
Hi Kyle do you sell capture packs or know where to get laney amps, particularly ironheart and black country 30
The pedal thing is that they don't want to kill the Amplitube X-drive completly I think
I just have the software because I dont play out anymore, Im disabled, so I just play in the DAW, who needs amps and pedals if they’re just home studio players right.. With no pedal just the software is WOW, its really good really really good. So home studio guys you dont need the hardware… Unless you want your tones on the couch with headphones.
Would I be able to plug this into my Roland ss amp?
Before to long it will be an overpowered tablet with footswitches that looks just like the vst's do on your computer where you can load anything from the web you can find. I can't wait
Glad to see an analog od pedal work with this unit. No one had tried that
So, you can't capture anything with this, correct? If I wanted my amps I'd have to buy the tonex capture as well?
Not necesarilly! Depending on your interface and the level of signal it's able to send out, or if you already have a standard reamp box, you can still make tonex captures
does it have built in distortions boosts etc that can be added to presets?
Kyle, curious to know how this sounds between FRFR using IR and just turning off IR and using your 412?.. I cant wrap my head around what is better.. if you captured your tone out of a 412.. why are we putting back through a 412?.. just curious.. the ability to add or remove a cab is amazing.. or tweak the cab.. WOW
some of the tone models I made included my cab and mic setup, some R
are only the amp, which are the ones I put through the 412 at the end
Do you have to buy the software and pedal separately, or is the software included with the pedal purchase?
Included with Amplitube too!
Killer review Kyle! Amazing pedal! 🔥😎
I gotta be honest, that UI looks pretty bad.
Agreed. They should have at least gave a phone companion app.