@@Drybones195 a bumpstock facilates a technique used for semi auto ar15s do you get it now so even if bumpstocks were illegal it doesnt matter because you can still do it without it
No need for even a rifle. I can tactical reload a handgun and hit my targets better than you could spraying hundreds of rounds with a fully auto rifle.
And that simple technique is having your index finger in front of the trigger but pointing 90 degrees of it and you spin that finger backwards and forwards.
A little practice and doing it from the shoulder is no problem. Hell if they ban them I promise most everyone that already has one sure as hell ain't going to throw it in the trash anyway. Smh 🤦♂️
alberto sobieski real marksman firing at mid range don't look through the sights anyway it's called muscle memory and hand eye coordination. Just takes practice and yea if you are a nubie at it yea your going to spray. You know the old saying if you don't know the flavor stay out of the cool aid. 😉
If the same logic was applied to every item like cars 🚗, pointy objects 🔪, jet skies, hands ✋, feet 👞 etc etc etc we would all be back in the stone age. Oh wait rocks 🪨 and sticks can kill also, Hmmm guess we would all be living in a pure VIOD.
You really think civilians should have automatic weapons? I am pro gun. And criminals having easy access to full auto, is a little unnerving. It's something that should never be used unless it's a true combat situation.
@@ytsn_THE_OG Fully automatic firearms have been strictly controlled since 1934. The last time a fully automatic firearm was used in a crime was in the 60s & it was a Cincinnati OH police officer who shot it. Obtaining one is at least a 6 month process involving an FBI background check. Converting any firearm to fully automatic status without an ATFE Permit is already a felony. As you should already know, enforcement of the laws is getting lax,not tighter. That is why criminals are so bold in what they do,not because I have a semiautomatic rifle that took a week long wait for the approval in a time of computerized background checks.
@@doughesson Thank you for telling me all those things that I already know. I'm educated. Not some dumb kid that doesn't know what they're talking about. I mean from just a Law Enforcement perspective. A Cop's point of view and head space. That's just more dead police. I was trained my whole life to be a cop or in the military, mainly police, so I'd walk right through the Academy and continue the family's reputation from there, forward. My entire family is either Law Enforcement or was in the Military. The PD even tried heavily to recruit me to recruit me for a couple of few years after I was 18 blah blah, didn't want to do it this day in age. When I decided I couldn't hold off any longer, I realized I now wanted to do it for the right and wrong reasons, that wouldn't completely fulfill my oath.
@@ytsn_THE_OG Police would actually prefer that people be able to defend themselves against criminal attack. The ones against it are political appointees who have to parrot the Mayor or County Executive's words.
@@dynamitelawyer6549 just because its the same caliber does not mean its the same muzzle energy. a standard .223 has like double the muzzle energy, has completely different ballistics, and is a heavier and longer bullet.
"This is a ghost gun. This right here has the ability with a .30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. Thirty magazine clip in half a second.” - Kevin de Leon (Completely proved wrong)
Why,yes,I am a comedian. I'll be here on RUclips all this week but next week,I'm going to be in Lake Tahoe opening for Wayne Newton. Please come & catch my act.I need the tip money.I'm sleeping in my car back seat & only eating what the bar gives the performers during the show.@@KS-45
So you call semi auto ar15s assault rifles and fully automatic assault rifles fully automatic ar15s. You guys are really working hard to conflate the two in order to make uninformed people not capable of distinguishing between the two, eh? This "discussion" about gun laws has been raging on for years. All the same arguments from the left are demonstrably incorrect or use emotion to push legislation. It's sad that so many people miss the entire point of the second amendment. If you ever need answers, our founding forefathers already gave them to us before we even asked the questions.
Wrongly naming the two is often used to discredit the gun control argument. Someone says assault rifles should be banned. The pro gun people reply, it wasnt an assault rifle. Then they say, see? These people are uninformed, they dont know what theyre talking about! This of course entirely and deliberately misses the point. 50 plus died. Whether by semi auto with bump stock or not....they all died. Same in orlando. Nobody outside military and law enforcement should be able to get that kind of firepower.. yes, theyll get them illegally. At least that makes it harder and may be noticed by police. Got to do something.
Allosaurus Fragilis how about this. Make the punishments harsher for criminals. Not just talking about the bump stock. I'm talking about all gun related crimes. And as you said, criminals will find ways to subvert laws, so why punish law abiding citizens for the crimes of the tiny, tiny minority? Should we ban vehicles because of car deaths? Or ban alcohol because of domestic abuse and suicide? If you ban bump stocks, you can still build them yourself with 3d printers or even a piece of wood and nails
JaWBReaKeR 707 yep, id agree with that. Really harsh penalties. Trouble is, many of these mass shooters intend it as their final act. Also you have a prison overpopulation problem. Its not easy. Im just saying, doing nothing will definitely not help. Seems to be yet another divisive issue. Surely everyone, bar psychos, wants fewer deaths though? Banning all guns is not going to happen. Better checks, big increase in mental health spending, banning semi auto rifles and stiffer penalties. Waiting period and enforce no fly and terrorist watch lists for purchasing. Any of those would be a start.
They're all AR-15 pattern rifles. The M-16/4 is a military designation and has nothing to do with firing capability (the A1-4 suffixes do, however). Most of the AR15 pattern rifles that the military uses aren't fully automatic anyway (they're 3 round burst). There's no conflating to be done. Every gun the guy had in the video was an AR-15. M-16s and M-4s are, get this, AR-15s. Talk about uninformed.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Colt_AR-15_variants As for Allosaurus, you should check out some of the attacks that have taken place in Europe using only rental vehicles. One had a death toll higher than 100 people. According to your logic, no one should be able to rent a U-haul. How about instead of banning anything scary, the government invest in it's citizenry and brings back free mental health care, or, call me crazy, universal health care for everyone. Lifetime free health care is good enough for everyone in Congress, just not us peasants. Strange. Harsher punishments regarding a piece of plastic are also backwards ideas. Murder is already illegal and what does a guy who plans to kill people and then himself care about a harsh punishment? The guns aren't the problem, the people are. Banning a piece of plastic will solve all our problems though, as long as the rich don't see increased taxes or a loss in profit from everyone having access to health care.
I would just like to say, that is one of the more balanced reports I've seen since this tragedy occurred. Compared to most news programs, you did a damn fine job. Ultimately it won't change the overall level of ignorance, but I applaud your effort.
I am a weapon owner, law abiding, i never wanted a bump stock due to the inconsistency of the firing, that being said, any law abiding citizen should be able to own them... last time i checked vans/ trucks are still banned from being used as weapons against people, as well as pressure cookers...but crazy people do it.
Anything a “law abiding citizen” can get … a NON law abiding citizen can also get a hold of. AND its law abiding citizens who turn into a killer overnight therefore NOBODY should be able to get these
@@ReturnOfMac Too bad, we got them and we wont turn them in... there is no such thing as 100% safety, and I prefer to have them and not need them than need them and not have them.
Props to the news anchor for not calling an AR-15 an "assault rifle", and using the correct term for the rifles shown. Also props for him identifying the accuracy differences.
@@Abyss-jp8mb and full-auto select fire on a similarly sized rifle is the thing that would classify it as an assault rifle, so even you agree that it isn't one because it is lacking that key feature...
Technically wouldn't matter, you just need a finger to sit or otherwise pull the trigger again, and a lot of gun owners will have some practice with their offhands.
@Achiever Dude the plastic piece keeping your finger off of the trigger is on the opposite side, making it impossible to use a left handed stock with your right hand.
I caught that too but chalked it up to an ill-informed reporter. I found they under estimate the fire rate of the bump stock as well to sort of counterbalance it. The gun store owner had at least a half second pause in there after the first bump stock burst so realistically it could've been a cpl shots per second faster.
I have tested this dumb theroy that this guy unloaded over 700 rounds in one min. I fired a 240 with the gas on high and manage 500 rounds in one min. For us army guys u know what im talking about. I fired a modified belt fed Ar with a bump fire loaded with a 700 round sub sonic 5.56. bet high grade. I fired 300 rounds no stop untill i had a mis fire and blow back. this was a high end AR. the fire rate slowed down after the first 120. Whom ever shot those people in vegas used belt fed machine guns and hunting rifles. 308. You tube deleted my video also.
There is also a video from someone in a hotel off of the strip that shows a helicopter over the concert. It almost looked like it was coming from there, not Mandalay Bay Hotel.
Sub sonic 5.56 is not only a novelty and hard to come by, but it does not cycle. Very curious how you achieved such a high fire rate with a round that doesn't cycle.
I saw clips that clearly had two weapons being fired simultaneously (and not from the same location). Authorities said it was an echo. That was absurd. Also, after I saw those clips once I never saw them again.
I couldn't source it to you, but a recently retired tank commander, former 75th Ranger, Two infantrymen, a marine, and a mortar crewmen all say it sounded exactly like belt fed. A few said they thought it was an AK.
+random there were tons of videos of sound analysis of the gun fire made, but they've all been censored. You could try maybe finding them on minds or another site. But listen to the attack video. I have yet to find *any* bump stock video where a bump stock user could lay down fire like in the attack video.
An automatic weapon that is not placed on a bipod or a mounted vehicle is not acurrate enought to kill more people faster than a semiautoamatic one. By prohibiting automatics you are reducing property damage and increasing death.
Pretty late response, but it's still harder than simply buying it... I don't think most mentally ill 18-21 year olds (average age of school shooters) have any idea on how to make anything themselves...
@@ember5935 just because they are based on the same design doesnt make them the same gun. The tolerances, components, materials, and design of the M4, M16 and AR15 are all very different. not to mention the fact that the M4 and M16 are select fire. Try converting an AR15 to automatic and putting a mag through it without it malfunctioning. Good luck.
Other than not mentioning the ability to bump fire, without a bump stock, I have to say that was actually a pretty fair piece of news. They explained it well, clearly, and without demonizing the accessory or exaggerating its ability. They are not the same. I've used bump stocks, I own a pre 86 transferable machine gun (on a Form4). It would be like saying sex and masturbation are the same, they ain't.
The man owns 40 firearms purchased over 20 years he’s called a gun or he has a cache of weapons or It’s called an arsenal. Meanwhile if a woman has 40 pairs of shoes purchased over two years she’s called a woman.
All I know is there is a video of a guy bump firing a semi auto non mod rifle with his belt loop..... I guess we will have to ban pants with belt loops next....
We have been bump firing for DECADES before the bump stock...we have used everything from sticks, rubber bands and belt loops to bump fire...hell, with a little practice, you can even bump fire with out any assistance from a stock or other “device”, just your trigger finger...
The more video's I watch on bump stocks the less I'm convinced thats what "Paddock" used. There was no mention of him having a mag that carried more then 60 rounds yet in videos there is clearly a volley of what sounds to be 100 rounds or more and with a consistent pace of fire. All these bump stock videos show professional shooters struggling to keep a steady rate of fire
During the Las Vegas shooting Stephen Paddock supposedly expent 3000+ rounds of ammunition over the course of ten minutes from 27 AR-15's with bumpstocks despite the facts that it would have required him to drop a gun after each 30 round magazine was empty, even though videos from survivors show that it was a nonstop stream of ammunition with a firing rate much higher than a bumpstock is capable of producing from multiple locations that appear to be M240 LMG's. More interesting is the fact that after the FBI took over the investigation, his house somehow burned down with all of the evidence, and photos of the hotel room he shot from only show 50 spent shells. Years later we still have no motivation, and there was strangely no follow up on the biggest mass shooting in US history. Most confusing is that the day after his brother had numerous press interviews where he claimed it made no sense, he was arrested for possessing several hundred terabytes of child porn on a 20 year old computer running Windows 95, at least according to the photos taken by the FBI.
The expert in this demo was dogging it when he shot the semi-auto. His time using the semi was longer than most people could have done it. Jerry Miculek can shoot a semi almost as fast as a bump stock. It's the person not the tool. The speed a semi shoots is only determined by the shooter and the mechanics of the firearm. All a bump stock does is make a firearm shoot as fast as the mechanics of firearm.
The cycle rate in every video of the Las Vegas attack completely disproves a bump stock for me. The sound is too consistent to come from anything other than a fully automatic weapon. Those people were fish in a barrel, God rest their souls.
Shawn B BB gun, not beebee gun lol. I understand what you're saying, but I urge you to watch a few videos of bump stocks in action. They're inconsistent, irregular and impossible to skillfully control. The gunfire in all the videos is constant, no jamming, no hiccups; to achieve that level of precision from a bump stock is unlikely, even in an environment where stress isn't a factor. Look at Hickok45, for example, he's clearly a man who knows more than the average person about firearms, yet even he had trouble unloading magazines with the bump stock. This whole event is so bizarre, for a man who planned as much as we're led to believe, why would he opt for a bump stock, especially when money was no limitation? He could clearly afford a fully automatic weapon. Personally, I do think you're onto something; the gun that's being used in the video's, sounds like it has a slow rate of fire, but it's too consistent to be bump fire; he probably internally modified a few guns to be fully automatic.
Allosaurus Fragilis LMAO I'd sooner leave it to Mohammed and his flying pony. They haven't even found who murdered Seth Rich yet you seem to think we'll find out anything about this case??! Madness.
Kudos to Ryan Nelson, for being a true reporter. He reported facts and showed viewers a trained expert utilizing each of the 3 various tools. He did it without editorializing and he left the audience to consider the details. Well done Ryan and Brian. 👏
They didn't want to touch on the fact that LV was 10 rounds per second. That mean the ar or ak was what was used. Half the story is why people call this fake news.
How could they "still investigating" if he supposedly killed himself. Everything should be there with him in the hotel room where he supposedly shot from a window which police body cam footage shows was not broken. They are hiding the truth.
yani I honestly don't know exactly what weapon it was, but an AR-15 does not come with a fully automatic option, no one makes those. Most likely an M4 variant.
It went off like a bwawmb. It gave me a form of PTSD. It hurt my assy neck, and I had to go home a cry. It was like "Badee badoo badee badee." Oh, but the IDF can keep their guns, that's fine.
Slight technicality... The bump stock DOES NOT increase rate of fire of the firearm. The rate of fire is fixed for a firearm by its design which then is approximated to round per minute. The AR-15, if full automatic, has a cyclic rate of 650rpm or so. The bump stock does not make it go faster than 650rpm. It can take it up to 650rpm, but most likely not, as using bump fire still does not fully replicate a real mechanically shot firearm, it will be slower. The bump stock just allows a shooter to not have to keep pulling the trigger that fast to get up to a high firing rate, but don't forget, when bump firing, you spray a lot of bullets with very little accuracy. The LV shooter could have inflicted a lot more casualties if he used semiautomatic fire and actually aimed his shots.
Anyone who knows anything about guns should know that the shooter didn’t use bump stocks. People really believe that he accurately bumpfired from an elevated position 300 yards away??
I agree. I was never in the military, I work in law enforcement but have never fired full auto. Listening to videos of numb fire stocks and and the m249, you can tell that it sounds different and you cant sustain a 100 round continuous fire that precise with a bump fire stock.
tiamat1296 that was exactly my take on this as well . Sounded just like a Saw. The rate of sustained fire was too high for any bump fire, which are notorious for interrupted strings of fire and cause alot of stoppages.
Listen to the available audio clips, no way that is bump fired. Some of the sound bites were well over 100 rounds, and full auto, maybe even belt fed..........The initial reports said many were equipped with bi pods, bump firing from a bi pod? They aren't telling the truth.
I dont believe it was a bump stock and the guy doing fast mag dumps hardly think so, my opinion more then one shooter and another big cover up inside job
From what I've seen its hard to bumpfire at a consistent rate. Anybody with gun knowledge can see that it's unlikely the bump stock was used and that would mean zero reasons to ban it whatsoever
A bump-stock does not use the guns recoil to push the finger into the trigger. Recoil pushes the weapon toward the shoulder. Forward pressure from his non-trigger arm pushes the weapon forward into the finger. A soon as you stop applying forward pressure from the non-shooting arm, the firing stops.
What they should be paying attention to is the accuracy between all three. The magazine size is going to be the same, bump stocks in no way make a weapon automatic, not even competition shooters or military or police use bump stocks. It is not as comfortable or precise as normal semi-automatic shooting or as reliable as automatic fire.
What he was shooting into the crowd was not a bumpfire rifle. He had it in the room but clearly didn’t shoot it. Bump stock stocks don’t work on a tripod.
ovkk So you saying he had LMG? No, I don't believe everything media says, bump stock would be most logical explanation based on cyclic rate I heard from Vegas video. Your theory however, like I said based on nothing.
It was a 240 belt fed machine gun that was used... thats what i believe... Look up the video where a guy compared the LV shooting audio to a 240... the audio overlay was like a 90+% match... The gun in the LV shooting was a 240 belt fed machine gun...
"Approved by the federal government" WRONG. the federal governemnt doesn't have to approve stuff - the Constitution protects the right [pre-existing right] and the federal government places restrictions if it deems them necessary. Now, you cannot have any full auto capabilities without a tax stamp and approval.
As a brit i find it mind boggling that the public can own these things legally, although i can totally see why youd be pissed right off if you were suddenly told you couldnt have them any more. I think people have just got to except the fact these shootings are the norm for a young country that has evolved with firearms interweaved within the fabric of society, guns are in Americas dna.
Infringe means to limit or encroach upon. So why is there a limit on keeping and bearing full autos? Also, why is there a limit on concealed carry? You have to pay extra money for permits. What about a poor person who's life is under threat by a cartel group and can't afford a permit? If someone lent him/her a gun but can't actually carry it loaded because of a limit of money? Same for full autos, a cartel has full autos, so they can outgun a family just because the government employees make them go through limiting time and money loops. The 2nd amendment is an addition to the U.S. Constitution by the founding fathers, so why do they break their oaths to it? It's too bad those country folk didn't bring their scoped 308's into the concert, they would have been hunting the perpetrator(s).
Why didn't the news make the time count consistent? No pause with the 1st test or the 3rd test. The 2nd test was more like 3 seconds, not 4 seconds when you remove the 2 hesitations, which makes it even closer to the fully automatic weapon.
Why are we focused on whether a gun can fire full auto or not? Full auto doesn't make the gun any better, you sacrifice accuracy and wast ammunition. Semi auto conserves ammo and creates more deliberate aim. Military's have realized this in the past with guns like the Soviet SVT-40 that used to fire full auto, but they realized it was not as effective as semi-auto, so they ordered troops to stop using the full auto mode, and redesigned the rifle with out it. We're getting focused on the wrong things here
Nobody mentions you can bumpfire without the stock.
240pixel Or how to simply create your own mechanism.
EL.MAS.BUSCADO You can use a belt.
EL.MAS.BUSCADO Criminals don't care what laws they break
Tre' Roney oh no, we wouldnt want to break any laws while comitting a crime now do we
240pixel right lol
You forgot to mention how you don't need a bumpfire stock to bumpfire
SHHHHH, Don't tell them that. They might take away our fingers.
I don’t know much about guns, can you please explain?
@@Drybones195 a bumpstock facilates a technique used for semi auto ar15s do you get it now so even if bumpstocks were illegal it doesnt matter because you can still do it without it
Yes I know right
You can do it with a rubber band... it's easier than a bump stock
No need for stocks, my finger and belt loop work just fine
Get educated not misinformed
No need for even a rifle. I can tactical reload a handgun and hit my targets better than you could spraying hundreds of rounds with a fully auto rifle.
Hail to The_Rooster you don't even need a belt loop. Some can bumpfire right from the shoulder without any bumpstock.
And that simple technique is having your index finger in front of the trigger but pointing 90 degrees of it and you spin that finger backwards and forwards.
A little practice and doing it from the shoulder is no problem. Hell if they ban them I promise most everyone that already has one sure as hell ain't going to throw it in the trash anyway. Smh 🤦♂️
alberto sobieski real marksman firing at mid range don't look through the sights anyway it's called muscle memory and hand eye coordination. Just takes practice and yea if you are a nubie at it yea your going to spray. You know the old saying if you don't know the flavor stay out of the cool aid. 😉
They're still focused on the devices used instead of the man using them.
If the same logic was applied to every item like cars 🚗, pointy objects 🔪, jet skies, hands ✋, feet 👞 etc etc etc we would all be back in the stone age. Oh wait rocks 🪨 and sticks can kill also, Hmmm guess we would all be living in a pure VIOD.
You really think civilians should have automatic weapons? I am pro gun. And criminals having easy access to full auto, is a little unnerving. It's something that should never be used unless it's a true combat situation.
@@ytsn_THE_OG Fully automatic firearms have been strictly controlled since 1934.
The last time a fully automatic firearm was used in a crime was in the 60s & it was a Cincinnati OH police officer who shot it.
Obtaining one is at least a 6 month process involving an FBI background check.
Converting any firearm to fully automatic status without an ATFE Permit is already a felony.
As you should already know, enforcement of the laws is getting lax,not tighter.
That is why criminals are so bold in what they do,not because I have a semiautomatic rifle that took a week long wait for the approval in a time of computerized background checks.
@@doughesson Thank you for telling me all those things that I already know. I'm educated. Not some dumb kid that doesn't know what they're talking about.
I mean from just a Law Enforcement perspective. A Cop's point of view and head space. That's just more dead police.
I was trained my whole life to be a cop or in the military, mainly police, so I'd walk right through the Academy and continue the family's reputation from there, forward.
My entire family is either Law Enforcement or was in the Military.
The PD even tried heavily to recruit me to recruit me for a couple of few years after I was 18 blah blah, didn't want to do it this day in age. When I decided I couldn't hold off any longer, I realized I now wanted to do it for the right and wrong reasons, that wouldn't completely fulfill my oath.
@@ytsn_THE_OG Police would actually prefer that people be able to defend themselves against criminal attack.
The ones against it are political appointees who have to parrot the Mayor or County Executive's words.
Politics aside, can we just take some time to appreciate that guy's control of the rifle? He dumps the entire mag and keeps the gun pretty much level.
@valuelesssky255 ARs have recoil... they aren't .22s
Lol a 223 or a 5.56x45 is a .22 caliber bullet
@@dynamitelawyer6549 it has more powder behind it
Direct impingement system at work!
@@dynamitelawyer6549 just because its the same caliber does not mean its the same muzzle energy. a standard .223 has like double the muzzle energy, has completely different ballistics, and is a heavier and longer bullet.
so we should put Jerry Miculek in jail because he can shoot as fast as a bump stock...
Good luck. Lol
Or faster!
He can rapid fire a revolver, reload, and rapid fire it again
@@very7962 forgot to add the last part, *faster than us shooting one round. That guys the flash.
@@rolandodennis8385 I was thinking maybe he’ll turn himself in when he’s ready…
"This is a ghost gun. This right here has the ability with a .30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. Thirty magazine clip in half a second.” - Kevin de Leon
(Completely proved wrong)
You forgot the shoulder thing that flips up, like I have on my M1A/M14 type rifle.
Don't you know anything about guns?
That's crazy his grammar is fucced
@@doughesson”that shoulder thing” what are you a comedian or do you work for MSNBC? YOU know zero about guns neophyte!
Why,yes,I am a comedian.
I'll be here on RUclips all this week but next week,I'm going to be in Lake Tahoe opening for Wayne Newton.
Please come & catch my act.I need the tip money.I'm sleeping in my car back seat & only eating what the bar gives the performers during the show.@@KS-45
What is a 30 caliber clip???😂😂😂
So you call semi auto ar15s assault rifles and fully automatic assault rifles fully automatic ar15s. You guys are really working hard to conflate the two in order to make uninformed people not capable of distinguishing between the two, eh?
This "discussion" about gun laws has been raging on for years. All the same arguments from the left are demonstrably incorrect or use emotion to push legislation. It's sad that so many people miss the entire point of the second amendment. If you ever need answers, our founding forefathers already gave them to us before we even asked the questions.
Wrongly naming the two is often used to discredit the gun control argument. Someone says assault rifles should be banned. The pro gun people reply, it wasnt an assault rifle. Then they say, see? These people are uninformed, they dont know what theyre talking about!
This of course entirely and deliberately misses the point. 50 plus died. Whether by semi auto with bump stock or not....they all died. Same in orlando. Nobody outside military and law enforcement should be able to get that kind of firepower.. yes, theyll get them illegally. At least that makes it harder and may be noticed by police. Got to do something.
Doesn't matter, that info is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Allosaurus Fragilis how about this. Make the punishments harsher for criminals. Not just talking about the bump stock. I'm talking about all gun related crimes. And as you said, criminals will find ways to subvert laws, so why punish law abiding citizens for the crimes of the tiny, tiny minority? Should we ban vehicles because of car deaths? Or ban alcohol because of domestic abuse and suicide?
If you ban bump stocks, you can still build them yourself with 3d printers or even a piece of wood and nails
JaWBReaKeR 707 yep, id agree with that. Really harsh penalties. Trouble is, many of these mass shooters intend it as their final act. Also you have a prison overpopulation problem. Its not easy. Im just saying, doing nothing will definitely not help. Seems to be yet another divisive issue. Surely everyone, bar psychos, wants fewer deaths though? Banning all guns is not going to happen.
Better checks, big increase in mental health spending, banning semi auto rifles and stiffer penalties. Waiting period and enforce no fly and terrorist watch lists for purchasing. Any of those would be a start.
They're all AR-15 pattern rifles. The M-16/4 is a military designation and has nothing to do with firing capability (the A1-4 suffixes do, however). Most of the AR15 pattern rifles that the military uses aren't fully automatic anyway (they're 3 round burst). There's no conflating to be done. Every gun the guy had in the video was an AR-15. M-16s and M-4s are, get this, AR-15s. Talk about uninformed..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Colt_AR-15_variants
As for Allosaurus, you should check out some of the attacks that have taken place in Europe using only rental vehicles. One had a death toll higher than 100 people. According to your logic, no one should be able to rent a U-haul. How about instead of banning anything scary, the government invest in it's citizenry and brings back free mental health care, or, call me crazy, universal health care for everyone. Lifetime free health care is good enough for everyone in Congress, just not us peasants. Strange.
Harsher punishments regarding a piece of plastic are also backwards ideas. Murder is already illegal and what does a guy who plans to kill people and then himself care about a harsh punishment? The guns aren't the problem, the people are. Banning a piece of plastic will solve all our problems though, as long as the rich don't see increased taxes or a loss in profit from everyone having access to health care.
I would just like to say, that is one of the more balanced reports I've seen since this tragedy occurred. Compared to most news programs, you did a damn fine job. Ultimately it won't change the overall level of ignorance, but I applaud your effort.
I am a weapon owner, law abiding, i never wanted a bump stock due to the inconsistency of the firing, that being said, any law abiding citizen should be able to own them... last time i checked vans/ trucks are still banned from being used as weapons against people, as well as pressure cookers...but crazy people do it.
Anything a “law abiding citizen” can get … a NON law abiding citizen can also get a hold of. AND its law abiding citizens who turn into a killer overnight therefore NOBODY should be able to get these
@@ReturnOfMac Too bad, we got them and we wont turn them in... there is no such thing as 100% safety, and I prefer to have them and not need them than need them and not have them.
@@briggs9187 Lol
@@ReturnOfMac Thanks for reminding me, I have to get one of those fancy M16A1’s before they explode in price
@@Dr.KarlowTheOctoling lmao, the fully automatics? They're already sky high in value due to limited supply from NFA regulations decades ago...
Props to the news anchor for not calling an AR-15 an "assault rifle", and using the correct term for the rifles shown.
Also props for him identifying the accuracy differences.
It is one just has the fully auto option gone
@@Abyss-jp8mb and full-auto select fire on a similarly sized rifle is the thing that would classify it as an assault rifle, so even you agree that it isn't one because it is lacking that key feature...
Smart move by this news agency to get an expert with actual comparable equipment to demonstrate. Well done on their part - clear and informative.
And absolute BS. Look up m249 vs bumpstock ar15. There's a video that shows a very clear distinction in the rates of fire. 1000% was the govt.
Full Automatic weapons should be legal.
no they shouldn't
Then why are you fine with letting the black markets for guns run rampant yet want more laws to ban things from civilians?
Alessandro Tavera yes they should be!
Kevin Angles disband the ATF!!!!!
They are illegal, and they shouldn’t be.
The shooter was right handed and pics show that the firearms had a LEFT HANDED bump fire on it.
Sounds like there was a second shooter
Technically wouldn't matter, you just need a finger to sit or otherwise pull the trigger again, and a lot of gun owners will have some practice with their offhands.
@Blake Whitfield theres a piece of plastic that partially covers the trigger on one side
@Achiever Dude the plastic piece keeping your finger off of the trigger is on the opposite side, making it impossible to use a left handed stock with your right hand.
@@BoldOne8760 you're just wrong
Informative, apolitical, stuck to the facts at hand. Thank you
Almost, he said automatic AR15 and semi auto assault rifle which is an oxymoron lol
Metal Maniac Still, a helluva lot better than the outright fear mongering that has been the norm.
Uncultured Barbarian they called the fully automatic gun an AR15, it's actually an M4.
I caught that too but chalked it up to an ill-informed reporter. I found they under estimate the fire rate of the bump stock as well to sort of counterbalance it. The gun store owner had at least a half second pause in there after the first bump stock burst so realistically it could've been a cpl shots per second faster.
There was only one "assault rifle" in this video, though.
I have tested this dumb theroy that this guy unloaded over 700 rounds in one min. I fired a 240 with the gas on high and manage 500 rounds in one min. For us army guys u know what im talking about. I fired a modified belt fed Ar with a bump fire loaded with a 700 round sub sonic 5.56. bet high grade. I fired 300 rounds no stop untill i had a mis fire and blow back. this was a high end AR. the fire rate slowed down after the first 120. Whom ever shot those people in vegas used belt fed machine guns and hunting rifles. 308. You tube deleted my video also.
There is also a video from someone in a hotel off of the strip that shows a helicopter over the concert. It almost looked like it was coming from there, not Mandalay Bay Hotel.
MR BASS HEAD 240B is my dream gun
Sub sonic 5.56 is not only a novelty and hard to come by, but it does not cycle. Very curious how you achieved such a high fire rate with a round that doesn't cycle.
You have the video on another site???
@@budrimert4477I was wondering the same thing
Let’s go ahead and ban belt loops in pants too because that’s another way of bump fire!
there were more than one shooter and a full auto belt fed machine gun was also used. The audio evidence is clear.
I saw clips that clearly had two weapons being fired simultaneously (and not from the same location). Authorities said it was an echo. That was absurd. Also, after I saw those clips once I never saw them again.
What about the the “Full Auto Semi Automatic” mode? (CNN)
Consensus from millions of vets and millions of active gun enthusiasts... the "shooter" in Vegas wasn't using a bump fire stock.
I couldn't source it to you, but a recently retired tank commander, former 75th Ranger, Two infantrymen, a marine, and a mortar crewmen all say it sounded exactly like belt fed. A few said they thought it was an AK.
That is correct, captain.
+random there were tons of videos of sound analysis of the gun fire made, but they've all been censored. You could try maybe finding them on minds or another site.
But listen to the attack video. I have yet to find *any* bump stock video where a bump stock user could lay down fire like in the attack video.
An automatic weapon that is not placed on a bipod or a mounted vehicle is not acurrate enought to kill more people faster than a semiautoamatic one. By prohibiting automatics you are reducing property damage and increasing death.
Unfortunately for you millions of 'gun experts' you guys were wrong....the shooter was found to be using a bump stock.
Say I'm a criminal, do you realize how easy it is to make a bumpfire stock in my garage ?
Pretty late response, but it's still harder than simply buying it... I don't think most mentally ill 18-21 year olds (average age of school shooters) have any idea on how to make anything themselves...
@@Kevin-it4fh u can order auto sears from china or 3d print them
Great reporting on this. Got all the info I needed.
Sounds to like like a belt fed weapon, rate of fire was sustained and at a higher rate.
Yeah he fires may longer than the 7 seconds shown by this expert. no Magazine large enough on the hotel room floor to account for this..
Thats just my point . It takes 6 or so seconds with a bump fire stock to fire off 30 rounds in a AR15. his rate of fire was way longer than that.
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Except that one...
Yes and those would be shot off in 7 second with a bump stock. The firing was much longer proving it was a belt fedd machine gun.
I would fully agree ..
Very well done exposes. Shows the difference between the three categories.
Ummm ar15s are NOT full auto. That would be an m16 🙄
An M16 is still an AR-15, and M16A2s are burst, and M16A1s are automatic.
You can modify any ar-15 to fire full auto just dealers are the only ones who can do it legally
Lmao an M16 is veeeery different from an AR15
Ethan Higgins Nope they aren't, they're still the same thing because they're ARs.
@@ember5935 just because they are based on the same design doesnt make them the same gun. The tolerances, components, materials, and design of the M4, M16 and AR15 are all very different. not to mention the fact that the M4 and M16 are select fire. Try converting an AR15 to automatic and putting a mag through it without it malfunctioning. Good luck.
Bump stock ban lifted by the supreme courts today
Other than not mentioning the ability to bump fire, without a bump stock, I have to say that was actually a pretty fair piece of news. They explained it well, clearly, and without demonizing the accessory or exaggerating its ability. They are not the same. I've used bump stocks, I own a pre 86 transferable machine gun (on a Form4). It would be like saying sex and masturbation are the same, they ain't.
The man owns 40 firearms purchased over 20 years he’s called a gun or he has a cache of weapons or It’s called an arsenal. Meanwhile if a woman has 40 pairs of shoes purchased over two years she’s called a woman.
"with one pull of the trigger" is incorrect
The only thing faster is the rate at which he puts away hamburgers.
All I know is there is a video of a guy bump firing a semi auto non mod rifle with his belt loop..... I guess we will have to ban pants with belt loops next....
We have been bump firing for DECADES before the bump stock...we have used everything from sticks, rubber bands and belt loops to bump fire...hell, with a little practice, you can even bump fire with out any assistance from a stock or other “device”, just your trigger finger...
Shhh. Don't tell them you can use shoelaces as well.
2024 here, supreme court said bump stocks are legal. 🎉
The more video's I watch on bump stocks the less I'm convinced thats what "Paddock" used. There was no mention of him having a mag that carried more then 60 rounds yet in videos there is clearly a volley of what sounds to be 100 rounds or more and with a consistent pace of fire. All these bump stock videos show professional shooters struggling to keep a steady rate of fire
Captain Mutato I still think a M249 was used in the LV shooting.
@@jason127x99 You've obviously never heard or seen a M249 fired before.
That was not bumpstock firing in Vegas....
So even an expert can't use a bumpfire stock consistently, hmm....
I can tell you they where fully automatic. The bump stock was just a cover up.
During the Las Vegas shooting Stephen Paddock supposedly expent 3000+ rounds of ammunition over the course of ten minutes from 27 AR-15's with bumpstocks despite the facts that it would have required him to drop a gun after each 30 round magazine was empty, even though videos from survivors show that it was a nonstop stream of ammunition with a firing rate much higher than a bumpstock is capable of producing from multiple locations that appear to be M240 LMG's. More interesting is the fact that after the FBI took over the investigation, his house somehow burned down with all of the evidence, and photos of the hotel room he shot from only show 50 spent shells. Years later we still have no motivation, and there was strangely no follow up on the biggest mass shooting in US history. Most confusing is that the day after his brother had numerous press interviews where he claimed it made no sense, he was arrested for possessing several hundred terabytes of child porn on a 20 year old computer running Windows 95, at least according to the photos taken by the FBI.
banning full auto is like banning chocolate, it doesn't really do anything but it does piss us off
The automatic firearm was an M16, not an AR15, just pointing that out. If it's full auto, it's not an AR15.
Hooray! ATF was at it, not no more
Problem here is he shot much longer than 7 seconds.
Because he had much higher capacity Magazines! One picture showed a rifle with a 60 round magazine...
He had 100 round mags.
William Wilson he had what looked like surefire 100 round mags..... That have a very good reputation..... For always jaming up guns
Wow the news are actually saying it might have been a fully automatic rifle. They are probably going to get fired for telling the truth
The expert in this demo was dogging it when he shot the semi-auto. His time using the semi was longer than most people could have done it. Jerry Miculek can shoot a semi almost as fast as a bump stock. It's the person not the tool. The speed a semi shoots is only determined by the shooter and the mechanics of the firearm. All a bump stock does is make a firearm shoot as fast as the mechanics of firearm.
his full auto ar-15 is over gassed.... needs to get that fixed asap
The cycle rate in every video of the Las Vegas attack completely disproves a bump stock for me.
The sound is too consistent to come from anything other than a fully automatic weapon.
Those people were fish in a barrel, God rest their souls.
Shawn B
BB gun, not beebee gun lol.
I understand what you're saying, but I urge you to watch a few videos of bump stocks in action.
They're inconsistent, irregular and impossible to skillfully control.
The gunfire in all the videos is constant, no jamming, no hiccups; to achieve that level of precision from a bump stock is unlikely, even in an environment where stress isn't a factor.
Look at Hickok45, for example, he's clearly a man who knows more than the average person about firearms, yet even he had trouble unloading magazines with the bump stock.
This whole event is so bizarre, for a man who planned as much as we're led to believe, why would he opt for a bump stock, especially when money was no limitation?
He could clearly afford a fully automatic weapon.
Personally, I do think you're onto something; the gun that's being used in the video's, sounds like it has a slow rate of fire, but it's too consistent to be bump fire; he probably internally modified a few guns to be fully automatic.
I listened to a lot of the videos, it sounds like a bumpstock to me. A heard hiccups as well as change in ROF.
the rate of fire was audibly slow for a full auto.
Leave it to experts on the scene, please
Allosaurus Fragilis LMAO I'd sooner leave it to Mohammed and his flying pony.
They haven't even found who murdered Seth Rich yet you seem to think we'll find out anything about this case??!
Madness.
The Las Vegas shooting gun sounds like a saw machine gun not a ar15 with a bump stock
Kudos to Ryan Nelson, for being a true reporter. He reported facts and showed viewers a trained expert utilizing each of the 3 various tools. He did it without editorializing and he left the audience to consider the details. Well done Ryan and Brian. 👏
You don't even need a "bump stock" to "bump fire" an AR-15. The bump stock is just a gimmick.
That’s a belt fed weapon. (In the Vegas footage)
They didn't want to touch on the fact that LV was 10 rounds per second. That mean the ar or ak was what was used. Half the story is why people call this fake news.
We all just gonna ignore he shot semi auto WAY slow than a person really could?
That's actually quite fast, it was much faster than the average shooter could achieve with a standard trigger in a semi-auto.
Drew Johnston This is possibly the dumbest comment I have read
How could they "still investigating" if he supposedly killed himself. Everything should be there with him in the hotel room where he supposedly shot from a window which police body cam footage shows was not broken. They are hiding the truth.
That third rifle aint no ar15, that is a LVOA-C.
Something just smells fishy about the LV shooting. Like how 1,000s of civilians and policeman reported multiple gunman all over the strip.
"Fully automatic AR-15s" 😂😂😂 comedy gold
how?
Napolian Myhand the AR, By definition and design, is semi-automatic
@@iane1022 What gun was the full auto one in the video then, just curious.
yani I honestly don't know exactly what weapon it was, but an AR-15 does not come with a fully automatic option, no one makes those. Most likely an M4 variant.
@@iane1022 2 words "conversion kit" lol. Its the base platform of plenty modern battle rifles. It's not THAT sacrilegious to say
It went off like a bwawmb. It gave me a form of PTSD. It hurt my assy neck, and I had to go home a cry. It was like "Badee badoo badee badee."
Oh, but the IDF can keep their guns, that's fine.
He did not have bump fire stocks.. there's no way. The report of the weapon was identical to the 240 Bravo
Slight technicality... The bump stock DOES NOT increase rate of fire of the firearm. The rate of fire is fixed for a firearm by its design which then is approximated to round per minute. The AR-15, if full automatic, has a cyclic rate of 650rpm or so. The bump stock does not make it go faster than 650rpm. It can take it up to 650rpm, but most likely not, as using bump fire still does not fully replicate a real mechanically shot firearm, it will be slower. The bump stock just allows a shooter to not have to keep pulling the trigger that fast to get up to a high firing rate, but don't forget, when bump firing, you spray a lot of bullets with very little accuracy.
The LV shooter could have inflicted a lot more casualties if he used semiautomatic fire and actually aimed his shots.
Anyone who knows anything about guns should know that the shooter didn’t use bump stocks. People really believe that he accurately bumpfired from an elevated position 300 yards away??
Yes, they do believe it. Pretty amazing what you can make people believe in fear.
Government and local police have them so should we the people 🇺🇸
Agree let’s be universal about it. If government wants to ban certain firearms for citizens then they also can’t have them either. Lead by example.
That was not a BUMP FIRE in LV! That was a "BELT FED" M-249 SAW! ik because I carried one for a full year !!
I agree. I was never in the military, I work in law enforcement but have never fired full auto. Listening to videos of numb fire stocks and and the m249, you can tell that it sounds different and you cant sustain a 100 round continuous fire that precise with a bump fire stock.
tiamat1296
that was exactly my take on this as well . Sounded just like a Saw. The rate of sustained fire was too high for any bump fire, which are notorious for interrupted strings of fire and cause alot of stoppages.
Denis Degamon what do you mean by it causes stoppage?
Just like those used in the chopper gunner experience in Vegas. There were choppers in the area during the “shooting”
Listen to the available audio clips, no way that is bump fired. Some of the sound bites were well over 100 rounds, and full auto, maybe even belt fed..........The initial reports said many were equipped with bi pods, bump firing from a bi pod? They aren't telling the truth.
I dont believe it was a bump stock and the guy doing fast mag dumps hardly think so, my opinion more then one shooter and another big cover up inside job
From what I've seen its hard to bumpfire at a consistent rate. Anybody with gun knowledge can see that it's unlikely the bump stock was used and that would mean zero reasons to ban it whatsoever
you can bump without a bump stock.
A21 JJ12 its harder tho
not at all
don't tell them
A bump-stock does not use the guns recoil to push the finger into the trigger. Recoil pushes the weapon
toward the shoulder.
Forward pressure from his non-trigger arm pushes the weapon forward into the finger.
A soon as you stop applying forward pressure from the non-shooting arm, the firing stops.
Fake news
"Any news I don't agree with is fake, only because I don't agree with it. I am the definition of ignorance."
Flannigan Bluffs libtard
Are you kidding me? The guy had 43 guns and one of them had a bump stuck and they banned them? holy crap!
Wish I could own something like this in clownifonia. Yes I’m currently looking for work in other states so I can move
Can we give this news reporter a round of applause for saying magazine and not clip like 95% of the media
That was actually a pretty fair analysis by this news station.
What they should be paying attention to is the accuracy between all three. The magazine size is going to be the same, bump stocks in no way make a weapon automatic, not even competition shooters or military or police use bump stocks. It is not as comfortable or precise as normal semi-automatic shooting or as reliable as automatic fire.
Bump stock is a toy. It only makes your weapon worse.
Gun expert or food expert 🤔
Anyone here in 2024 after the bump stock ban was overturned?
More like an expert at eating.
lul firing guns aint tough m9, all you do is flex your trigger finger and chew on big macs
Point is?
What he was shooting into the crowd was not a bumpfire rifle. He had it in the room but clearly didn’t shoot it. Bump stock stocks don’t work on a tripod.
It sounds like a damn belt fed machine gun!
SWEDEN THINKS AUTOMATIC WEAPONS ARE MORE DANGEROUS THAN SHOTGUNS.
Probably the most honest reporting on ar 15's I have ever seen.
Dude has a semi auto fire rate of 300 rounds a minute according to this clip, he doesn't even need full auto with that rate.
“We are the creators of our own Armageddon”
The shooter in Vegas used a belt fed m240 600rpm 10.5 rounds a second and a ridiculous reload time
Dude in vegas had a belt fed gun
prove it
Excellent assumption based on absolutely nothing. Bravo.
Prove it wasn't.... wait lemme guess... you believe the police,government, media.... smh
ovkk So you saying he had LMG?
No, I don't believe everything media says, bump stock would be most logical explanation based on cyclic rate I heard from Vegas video.
Your theory however, like I said based on nothing.
ovkk- proving a negative... you are a moron.
First he said 12 guns had devices but then they said later that only 1 was modified. Fake news.
I can bump fire my 12 gauge.....
my point is that you dont need a bump stock to bump fire.
It was a 240 belt fed machine gun that was used... thats what i believe...
Look up the video where a guy compared the LV shooting audio to a 240... the audio overlay was like a 90+% match...
The gun in the LV shooting was a 240 belt fed machine gun...
It was a 240 series weapon system, and paddock was just another victim
Nobody mentions that is sounds like theirs several guns going off either different calibers
None of that explained why the sounds matched up with an M240B belt fed machine gun
Vegas was a belt fed weapon.
"Approved by the federal government" WRONG. the federal governemnt doesn't have to approve stuff - the Constitution protects the right [pre-existing right] and the federal government places restrictions if it deems them necessary. Now, you cannot have any full auto capabilities without a tax stamp and approval.
Massive stock of 43 weapons over 20 years that's nothing
All I know is we should have full auto if the government has it we should to
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED! AK-BUILDER DOT COM!
When do criminals follow gun laws? Will this work for abortions too?
As a brit i find it mind boggling that the public can own these things legally, although i can totally see why youd be pissed right off if you were suddenly told you couldnt have them any more. I think people have just got to except the fact these shootings are the norm for a young country that has evolved with firearms interweaved within the fabric of society, guns are in Americas dna.
Infringe means to limit or encroach upon. So why is there a limit on keeping and bearing full autos? Also, why is there a limit on concealed carry? You have to pay extra money for permits. What about a poor person who's life is under threat by a cartel group and can't afford a permit? If someone lent him/her a gun but can't actually carry it loaded because of a limit of money? Same for full autos, a cartel has full autos, so they can outgun a family just because the government employees make them go through limiting time and money loops. The 2nd amendment is an addition to the U.S. Constitution by the founding fathers, so why do they break their oaths to it?
It's too bad those country folk didn't bring their scoped 308's into the concert, they would have been hunting the perpetrator(s).
Why didn't the news make the time count consistent? No pause with the 1st test or the 3rd test. The 2nd test was more like 3 seconds, not 4 seconds when you remove the 2 hesitations, which makes it even closer to the fully automatic weapon.
Why are we focused on whether a gun can fire full auto or not? Full auto doesn't make the gun any better, you sacrifice accuracy and wast ammunition. Semi auto conserves ammo and creates more deliberate aim. Military's have realized this in the past with guns like the Soviet SVT-40 that used to fire full auto, but they realized it was not as effective as semi-auto, so they ordered troops to stop using the full auto mode, and redesigned the rifle with out it.
We're getting focused on the wrong things here
Even the AK-47 slams into semi rather than auto
It does not increase the firing rate!!!! It increases the speed of which the trigger is pulled for each bullet to be fired.