I’m Italian and what surprises me most it’s his english. it’s not perfect and pronunciation very bad but is so fluent and sounds so good for an Italian of that generation.
True! And I don’t think the pronunciation was too bad either. It was very clear and easy to understand! The accent of course was heavy and some words were very problematic, but in general he did quite well. I can understand it better than many native speakers. (I’m from Finland)
his pronounciation is definitely not very bad . he has an accent which is very normal for a non native speaker , but he is very clear and his english is correct .
Indeed. And his sense of humor translates perfectly into english too, which, in my opinion, is a very telling thing about someone who truly understands a language (beyond grammar and pronounciation).
dont take him literally ....he means you need to learn to use the diaphragm and to learn how to breathe ..go find a teacher who can teach you properly ...he is talking to an audience for 5 mins as entertainment ..he can't give a true lesson this way ...its actually one of the hardest things to learn in singing ..its so basic ..but takes months to build you up even to a beginner breathwise
Psalm 9:13-14 Be gracious to me, O Lord! See my affliction from those who hate me, O You who lift me up from the gates of death, that I may recount all Your praises, that in the gates of the daughter of Zion I may rejoice in Your salvation.
Yeah, the really old recordings of him are interesting because his voice is still better than the vast majority of his peers, but it also was clearly not quite fully "pavarotti" yet.
Breathing is a muscular process. Students nowadays are taught nothing more than a *modified version of yoga breathing*. Appoggio breathing is a gateway to open, supported, and loud singing. Students today are not taught to support their breath, but to let it sink into their belt line and to push their gut out. Not only is it uncomfortable from my experience, but it gives next to no support to sing loud enough for many people to hear without amplification.
Look up Michael Trimble. He has tons of videos of how to breathe correctly with the old style of opera singing with true support. He goes into everything about breathing, posture, how to actually breathe (sucking in the gut to the bottoms of the back tail bone), amplification with the true mask) and so much more . 10 out of 10 and my voice has never been better because of him. He’s 83 years old and still sings and shows his demonstrations live.
@@julisalamora sorry I haven’t read this thread in a long time. One of the core principles of appoggio breathing is learning to train your muscles to open the rib cage and maintain it until the breath runs out. And another tip: don’t listen to people who tell you to “breathe with your diaphragm”. The diaphragm is an involuntary muscle and its movement cannot be controlled, instead it can only be used to support breathing, as Pavarotti says; it is not the only moving and active part in the process. Use your lungs and open the ribcage
@@julisalamora in my opinion, learn to do exercises that train the muscles that are involved in opening the rib cage, like dumbbell or cable flys. As a singer, you are an athlete. Don’t listen to people telling you that weight training is bad for singing; many bodybuilders in the past were also opera singers.
"Guided Wim Hof Method Breathing" Do this for months and months ... and years then come back to Pavarotti master class Dont over-do , slowly day by day. learn the current state of your health.
I love his voice, but I don't know what I'm listening too...lol! I hear his voice and can pick up on the changes, but I don't understand it. It's such a shame on my part...lol!
논리의 권위가 '추상적인'감각에 의존하는 가수들의 경험에 있지 않고 정확한 이치에 있어야하는데 연구하는 사람은 없고 종교처럼 말하고 추앙하는 사람들이 많은 것 같다. 의학처럼 이 분야도 조만간 학문화 될것이라 믿는다. 이분 말은 이분의 가창 실력과는 달리 전혀 합당하지 않다. 사랑하되 추앙하고 따르진 말자는 생각입니다
백준명 주관적 감각에 의거한 추상적인 표현은 교육에 있어 분명 위험합니다. 허나 이 분야가 의학처럼 현상학적으로 성대의 운동을 면밀히 살펴낼 수 있다고 해도(이미 그게 가능하죠.) 결국 소리를 내기 위해 필요한 것은 근육의 운동을 눈으로 확인하는 것이 아니라 개인의 감각을 이끌어낼 수 있을 만한 심리적 기재입니다. 소리를 가르치는 선생들은 반드시 의학적인 지식을 겸비해야 하지만 결국 소리를 내는 당사자 입장에서는 감각적인 작용이 우선됩니다. 아무리 정교한 설명이 있더라도 결국 그에 상응하는 소리를 내기 위해서는 가장 최초에 '특정의 생각'을 일으켜야 한다는 것이죠. 교사는 현상학적으로 의도하고자 하는 바를 명확히 하여 그걸 유도할 수 있는 키워드를 연구해내야 합니다. 그건 학생 개개인의 성향적 기질에 따라 달리 디자인 되어져야 할 것이구요. 소리분야가 의학적으로 정리되는 것이 반쪽짜리 의미밖에 갖지 못하는 이유는 소리를 내는 일이 결국 성대라는 불수의근을 다룬다는 점, 그리고 성대에서 일어나는 일은 어디까지나 특정소리의 결과라는 점, 또 한 소리는 심리적 기재를 기반으로 한다는 점, 그리고 이렇게 훈련된 소리는 결국 감각이 돼야하며 끝내 본능적인 작용이 돼야하고 그로인해 마땅히 예술을 위한것임을 인지해야 할 것입니다. 소리를 단순히 성대운동의 결과물로만 치부할 경우 그건 본능적 행위가 되지 못하며 본능적이지 못하면 예술과는 거리가 멀어집니다. 소리는 성대 혼자의 문제라기 보다 전반적인 인격체의 반영입니다. 소리를 갖고 의학적으로 이리저리 살피는 일은 그 나름의 의미가 있지만 그것은 의사들이 해야할 일이지 예술을 추구하는 사람의 몫은 아니며, 결국 현상이 무형의 예술로써 표출되려면 그것은 학문의 문제를 한참이나 떠나게 되죠. 성대의 모든 운동패턴을 분석할 수 있다고 쳐도 그것을 만들어내는 개개인의 무수한 심리적 작용에 대한 연결고리가 없다면 그것은 단순히 눈으로 성대를 관찰하는 일 이외에 무엇도 아닐겁니다. 정리하자면 성대를 어떠한 모양으로 만들어야 소리가 난다기 보다 어떤 소리를 유도해야 성대를 그에 대응하는 모양으로 만들 수 있다고 보는 편이 합당하며, 그러므로 제 아무리 구체적으로 보이는 현상이 있다 한들 그걸 이끌어 내는 것은 결국 복잡다분한 심리, 또 그 심리를 끌어낼 만큼 충분히 개인의 성향에 맞게 고려되어 고안된 함축적인 키워드 입니다. 고로 추상적 표현이 개인의 주관에만 머물 수 있는 위험성은 지도하는 교사의 배경지식이 얼만큼인지 일단 알고나서 지적해도 늦지 않을 듯 하며 그런면에서 파바로티의 조언들이 단순한 노하우나 팁만을 전수한다고 보기 어렵습니다. 더불어 마스터클래스에 등장하는 학생들은 이미 어느정도의 수준에 이른 학생들이며, 이 정도 수준의 수업에서 추상적 표현들은 이상할 것이 없다고 생각합니다. (__)
The greatest singers like Pavarotti, Sills, Pavarotti, Garcia, Eames, Melba, Caruso *DID NOT GO TO CONSERVATORY OR COLLEGE. Neither did Bach, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Chopin nor Liszt. Get over your idolatrous worship of academic institutions!*
@@bharp4390 True - but to his fans he’s #1. Fans rarely are objective. However, I can admit that he’s not quite equal to Caruso, Björling or Corelli - but he is still at the same time my absolute favourite. Whom I miss a lot.
The diaphagm is an expiratory muscle, actually. And the movement of the abdomen should be inwards rather than outwards because otherwise support will get locked. It's amazing how Pavarotti did all this better than anybody but his explanations are nonsense.
With all due respect, the diaphragm is an inspiratory muscle. Upon contraction, it increases the volume of the thorax, thereby inflating the lungs. Other muscles are responsible for exhalation, including, as you've mentioned, the muscles of the abdomen.
@Andrei Biro I have watched Michael Trimble videos and I also watch the fish Ella masterclass you spoke of and in the master class he describes how one should pull in on the abdomen when singing and Mox people who push out with the abdomen while singing.
His explanations are not nonsense but right on. But he didn't do that better than everybody. Lanza, Caruso, di Stefano, Corelli and others were better, but he was up there.
@Andrei Biro I worked with Michael for many years and do not recall him saying, pull in the diaphragm. He instructs to breath into the bottom of your back. This is accomplished by pulling the abdominal muscles in, during inhalation and letting the diaphragm do what it does. The diaphragm descends, while we are inhaling. It passively rises, upon exhalation. Michael uses imagery, as do many teachers. We know the air goes into the lungs, and not the back, but the imagery encourages an action conducive to singing.
I’m Italian and what surprises me most it’s his english. it’s not perfect and pronunciation very bad but is so fluent and sounds so good for an Italian of that generation.
Totally agree with you
True! And I don’t think the pronunciation was too bad either. It was very clear and easy to understand! The accent of course was heavy and some words were very problematic, but in general he did quite well. I can understand it better than many native speakers. (I’m from Finland)
his pronounciation is definitely not very bad . he has an accent which is very normal for a non native speaker , but he is very clear and his english is correct .
Indeed, he is highly educated. I love his sense of humor
Indeed. And his sense of humor translates perfectly into english too, which, in my opinion, is a very telling thing about someone who truly understands a language (beyond grammar and pronounciation).
I love the random "è vero" and basically everything about this lesson.
He was incredibly charismatic!🌟
I will now think of crying babies, thanks master
dont take him literally ....he means you need to learn to use the diaphragm and to learn how to breathe ..go find a teacher who can teach you properly ...he is talking to an audience for 5 mins as entertainment ..he can't give a true lesson this way ...its actually one of the hardest things to learn in singing ..its so basic ..but takes months to build you up even to a beginner breathwise
Well, Pavarotti is correct, singing is crying on pitch
@@silverkitty2503 it is quite good for someone who had some lessons and this may fill in the missing pieces.
@@silverkitty2503 sometimes many years
Cry like a baby.... oh, why didn't my music teacher tell me this? It could save a ton of griefs on both sides 😭😫😤....Thank you Master 🙏
Amazing! tried to sing like a crying baby technique. Now my neighbors complaining about a baby crying.
haha
I miss him so much. Thanks for sharing this.
Psalm 9:13-14
Be gracious to me, O Lord! See my affliction from those who hate me, O You who lift me up from the gates of death, that I may recount all Your praises, that in the gates of the daughter of Zion I may rejoice in Your salvation.
Well, thats how you became THE MAESTRO!!
He's brilliant .
The man was already superb without proper mastering of diaphragm support!
the reason, why he went broad mouth - for me not so superb!
Yeah, the really old recordings of him are interesting because his voice is still better than the vast majority of his peers, but it also was clearly not quite fully "pavarotti" yet.
Breathing is a muscular process. Students nowadays are taught nothing more than a *modified version of yoga breathing*. Appoggio breathing is a gateway to open, supported, and loud singing. Students today are not taught to support their breath, but to let it sink into their belt line and to push their gut out. Not only is it uncomfortable from my experience, but it gives next to no support to sing loud enough for many people to hear without amplification.
how do you do the appogio breathing ?
@@jirox3232 the exact same question here, plz, i need to figure out the proper breathing and supporting technique
Look up Michael Trimble. He has tons of videos of how to breathe correctly with the old style of opera singing with true support. He goes into everything about breathing, posture, how to actually breathe (sucking in the gut to the bottoms of the back tail bone), amplification with the true mask) and so much more . 10 out of 10 and my voice has never been better because of him. He’s 83 years old and still sings and shows his demonstrations live.
@@julisalamora sorry I haven’t read this thread in a long time. One of the core principles of appoggio breathing is learning to train your muscles to open the rib cage and maintain it until the breath runs out. And another tip: don’t listen to people who tell you to “breathe with your diaphragm”. The diaphragm is an involuntary muscle and its movement cannot be controlled, instead it can only be used to support breathing, as Pavarotti says; it is not the only moving and active part in the process. Use your lungs and open the ribcage
@@julisalamora in my opinion, learn to do exercises that train the muscles that are involved in opening the rib cage, like dumbbell or cable flys. As a singer, you are an athlete. Don’t listen to people telling you that weight training is bad for singing; many bodybuilders in the past were also opera singers.
I'm going to explore this further. Thank you Maestro.
I think his English is good. Very easy to understand.
That’s really funny and helpful. Thank you for sharing it.
Великий учитель и вдохновитель !
I didn't know Pavarotti could speak very good English! Molto bene!
Si alguien podría ponerle subtítulos sería formidable... Imperdible clase maestra del gran Luciano 🎶👏
si tiene subtitulos amigo, solo tienes que activarlos en el icono...
@@polochinchinlin9111Unfortunately the subtitles do not accurately translate his words.
The handsomest
Luciano: a
Audience: 🤣🤣🤣
Do you know anything about appoggio?
For instance, does this technique be taught at universities or conservatories?
1:14 is he looking at me?😂😂😂
"Guided Wim Hof Method Breathing"
Do this for months and months ... and years
then come back to Pavarotti master class
Dont over-do , slowly day by day. learn the current state of your health.
no one is going to mention that Jack Black looks like him?
Babies and dogs are the best singers in the world.
...
LMAO.
True, they cry, bark, howl all day without getting hoarse. That's healthy singin 😂😂😂
Even cats use the diaphragm to meow. I've noticed it recently.
where can I buy this lesson?
The entire masterclass can be found here:
ruclips.net/video/soLchRZOYqE/видео.html
@@mhoeler It says video unavailable
@@vampiroast Gosh, it's not that hard to type things. ruclips.net/video/dleosGOPm98/видео.html
@@vegeta1885 it doesnt work 🤣🤣😅😅
Babies also naturally use false chord, for you metal guys 😉
How?
His voice is not anything how I expected!
I love his voice, but I don't know what I'm listening too...lol! I hear his voice and can pick up on the changes, but I don't understand it. It's such a shame on my part...lol!
Enseñando a usar el twang, sin darse cuenta que está usando el twang
Forget everyth ing what i said till now
If they ever do a movie about him, they have to get Jack Black to play Pavarotti
I suspect most musical 'teachers' have no idea of what he is talking about.
The audience need to shut up
He exemplifies things but doesn't teach at all how to do it! If the pelvis is not loose,all the sistem is useless...
논리의 권위가 '추상적인'감각에 의존하는 가수들의 경험에 있지 않고 정확한 이치에 있어야하는데 연구하는 사람은 없고 종교처럼 말하고 추앙하는 사람들이 많은 것 같다. 의학처럼 이 분야도 조만간 학문화 될것이라 믿는다. 이분 말은 이분의 가창 실력과는 달리 전혀 합당하지 않다. 사랑하되 추앙하고 따르진 말자는 생각입니다
백준명 주관적 감각에 의거한 추상적인 표현은 교육에 있어 분명 위험합니다.
허나 이 분야가 의학처럼 현상학적으로 성대의 운동을 면밀히 살펴낼 수 있다고 해도(이미 그게 가능하죠.) 결국 소리를 내기 위해 필요한 것은 근육의 운동을 눈으로 확인하는 것이 아니라 개인의 감각을 이끌어낼 수 있을 만한 심리적 기재입니다.
소리를 가르치는 선생들은 반드시 의학적인 지식을 겸비해야 하지만 결국 소리를 내는 당사자 입장에서는 감각적인 작용이 우선됩니다.
아무리 정교한 설명이 있더라도 결국 그에 상응하는 소리를 내기 위해서는 가장 최초에 '특정의 생각'을 일으켜야 한다는 것이죠.
교사는 현상학적으로 의도하고자 하는 바를 명확히 하여 그걸 유도할 수 있는 키워드를 연구해내야 합니다.
그건 학생 개개인의 성향적 기질에 따라 달리 디자인 되어져야 할 것이구요.
소리분야가 의학적으로 정리되는 것이 반쪽짜리 의미밖에 갖지 못하는 이유는 소리를 내는 일이 결국 성대라는 불수의근을 다룬다는 점, 그리고 성대에서 일어나는 일은 어디까지나 특정소리의 결과라는 점, 또 한 소리는 심리적 기재를 기반으로 한다는 점, 그리고 이렇게 훈련된 소리는 결국 감각이 돼야하며 끝내 본능적인 작용이 돼야하고 그로인해 마땅히 예술을 위한것임을 인지해야 할 것입니다.
소리를 단순히 성대운동의 결과물로만 치부할 경우 그건 본능적 행위가 되지 못하며 본능적이지 못하면 예술과는 거리가 멀어집니다.
소리는 성대 혼자의 문제라기 보다 전반적인 인격체의 반영입니다.
소리를 갖고 의학적으로 이리저리 살피는 일은 그 나름의 의미가 있지만 그것은 의사들이 해야할 일이지 예술을 추구하는 사람의 몫은 아니며, 결국 현상이 무형의 예술로써 표출되려면 그것은 학문의 문제를 한참이나 떠나게 되죠.
성대의 모든 운동패턴을 분석할 수 있다고 쳐도 그것을 만들어내는 개개인의 무수한 심리적 작용에 대한 연결고리가 없다면 그것은 단순히 눈으로 성대를 관찰하는 일 이외에 무엇도 아닐겁니다.
정리하자면 성대를 어떠한 모양으로 만들어야 소리가 난다기 보다 어떤 소리를 유도해야 성대를 그에 대응하는 모양으로 만들 수 있다고 보는 편이 합당하며, 그러므로 제 아무리 구체적으로 보이는 현상이 있다 한들 그걸 이끌어 내는 것은 결국 복잡다분한 심리, 또 그 심리를 끌어낼 만큼 충분히 개인의 성향에 맞게 고려되어 고안된 함축적인 키워드 입니다.
고로 추상적 표현이 개인의 주관에만 머물 수 있는 위험성은 지도하는 교사의 배경지식이 얼만큼인지 일단 알고나서 지적해도 늦지 않을 듯 하며 그런면에서 파바로티의 조언들이 단순한 노하우나 팁만을 전수한다고 보기 어렵습니다.
더불어 마스터클래스에 등장하는 학생들은 이미 어느정도의 수준에 이른 학생들이며, 이 정도 수준의 수업에서 추상적 표현들은 이상할 것이 없다고 생각합니다. (__)
akamirage1213 오..통찰력이 있는 글입니다. 배우고 갑니다 감사해요
The greatest singers like Pavarotti, Sills, Pavarotti, Garcia, Eames, Melba, Caruso *DID NOT GO TO CONSERVATORY OR COLLEGE. Neither did Bach, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Chopin nor Liszt. Get over your idolatrous worship of academic institutions!*
He wasn't the very best, but he was up there.
Who is the best, bitch?
The was the very best and there is no better. He is #1
@@jfpereira5834 Caruso
@@jfpereira5834 Caruso, Björling...even Pavarotti would admit that...
@@bharp4390 True - but to his fans he’s #1. Fans rarely are objective. However, I can admit that he’s not quite equal to Caruso, Björling or Corelli - but he is still at the same time my absolute favourite. Whom I miss a lot.
The diaphagm is an expiratory muscle, actually. And the movement of the abdomen should be inwards rather than outwards because otherwise support will get locked. It's amazing how Pavarotti did all this better than anybody but his explanations are nonsense.
With all due respect, the diaphragm is an inspiratory muscle. Upon contraction, it increases the volume of the thorax, thereby inflating the lungs. Other muscles are responsible for exhalation, including, as you've mentioned, the muscles of the abdomen.
You are right. I wanted to write "the diaphragm is an inspiratory muscle" but I got confused.
@Andrei Biro I have watched Michael Trimble videos and I also watch the fish Ella masterclass you spoke of and in the master class he describes how one should pull in on the abdomen when singing and Mox people who push out with the abdomen while singing.
His explanations are not nonsense but right on. But he didn't do that better than everybody. Lanza, Caruso, di Stefano, Corelli and others were better, but he was up there.
@Andrei Biro I worked with Michael for many years and do not recall him saying, pull in the diaphragm. He instructs to breath into the bottom of your back. This is accomplished by pulling the abdominal muscles in, during inhalation and letting the diaphragm do what it does. The diaphragm descends, while we are inhaling. It passively rises, upon exhalation. Michael uses imagery, as do many teachers. We know the air goes into the lungs, and not the back, but the imagery encourages an action conducive to singing.