I own both , Light weight 410s, and .22LR including a Little Badger. In the warmer months I'll always carry a .22 , but in the winter I will chose the 410. When there's mutch less game to shoot at, and you are shivering and cold, the "pattern" can make a lot of difference. Even a 12ga if you have motorized transportation. Ontario Canada.
What a great video! I had this exact question and couldn’t decide which to get. So I got a Chiappa double badger in both 22 WMR and .410. The sights on it are really good, it is dead on accurate right out the box, folds in half, and is more comfortable to fire. Downsides are that it is heavier, and doesn’t have the ability to store ammo on the unit itself.
Cool! I want to get my hands on a double badger when I can find one around here. Like you said not as light or compact but should be a much better gun to actually use.
I personally like a 22 handgun here in Alaska. It's light and compact and we shoot a lot of small game with them. I've shot a ton of grouse with my Browning buck mark.
Have to say I’m impressed with the 410, it did well. Thought the 22mag would have been the clear winner. I think between those choices I would have leaned towards the 22 but both have merits.
Love you brother but if I'm nervous I'll take the .410 . I'm thinking ill stick with a bigger shotgun. Or something in a small center fire that is a tac driver. I get survival rifle but is up to us to pick our tools for that. It's always a give and take considering the circumstance.
Great point, a light 12 or 20 would outclass the 410. So would a little 22 hornet or 223. Would love to see some more lightweight compact guns in those chamberings.
I'll choose the 22 mag because it could kill big game if needed... head shots... a Eskimo lady even kill a polar bear with a 22 cal single shot.... so the mag is for me. Good video Allen.
With the 22 you will probably have to take a headshot, right through the base of the ear. A good 410 slug will take a deer sized animal with a good broadside shot through the ribs. Both close range options, but the slug requires carrying a specialized type of ammo. Could go either way.
Nice comparison video. I’m thinking that critter at twenty yards was lucky. I also think if you were very hungry and missed like that, you’d be one sad camper. You are a very good shooter. The 20 yard 22mag miss is one of those “WTF was that” moments for sure. I’d still go for the 22mag. You have to be prepared for something bigger coming along as your only chance for food. Thanks for the good honest video. Stay safe out there!!
The real beauty of the .410 is the variety of ammo types and their abilities. You can use anything from #9 shot for birds, 7.5 ,6 and 4 for squirrel sized critters, all the way up to 000 buck shot.... and YES a 4.10 will ethically take a small to medium deer out to 40 yards. The .22mag will not unless you are able to get a perfect head shot.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 Do you have any .44 magnum rounds? Put one in your .410. It works. Keep a .444 Marlin round in your pocket, just for the aggressive moose. Yes, the .410 will shoot them both.
Man, takedown 10/22s have really gotten expensive. I bought my stainless model in 2016 for like $260. 100 bucks for a Magpul Backpacker stock, some 'upgrade' spare parts, a bunch of mags and I ended up with- the best survival .22 rifle I still haven't shot. 😆
Good comparison. If a firearm is needed to survive why not carry the extra weight and bring something more efficient. To miss with only one shot and watch dinner disappear seems unprepared. Just my thoughts, but I enjoyed the video. Keep them coming.
Think I'd go rifle with a poly stock and a scope on raised mount. Caliber would be 556. Big enough to take medium game. It's a common and relatively light round. Also more reliable than rimfire and better ballistics than 410. Shots would just need to be placed accurately so meat wasn't destroyed. Never been a survivalist so just based off random experiences.
CZ is making a new compact 556 bolt gun that would be pretty close to what you are describing. I agree with all your points about why 556 is the better choice.
I'm thinking that a longer barreled .410 would have helped you better. The longer the barrel, the more powder gets burned in the barrel, thus increasing your velocity and distance to the target. TGS Outdoors had .410 shot on target at 50 yards(wouldn't have been a clean kill), but he was using a 28" barrel, too. He also, might have had a full choke. All the Rossi shotguns in .410 come with a fixed Modified choke. Winchester is kind enough to list what their various shot sizes, chokes, distance to target and game. But I also bet, they were not using 18.5" barrel. 40 yards with a modified choke on the box was the limit(shot sizes 4-8).
As far as shotguns go it would be as long as the critter is not flying, a beginner will probably have more fun shooting flying birds with a properly fitting and not to light 20 or a 12 because they will hit more often. A 22 rifle would be less forgiving with the fundamentals but would work well for a beginner once they have some practice, ammo is cheap and recoil is low.
It's not so much the pattern opening up as it is there just aren't very many pellets. Larger pellets tend to hold a pattern futher, but have more empty area inside the pattern. Shoot at a large sheet of paper to see the entire pattern. Winchester has a 3/4oz load of 7 1/2s that will do everything a .410 will do on small game. If you shoot several times I bet you will see that the maximum range for sure killing, not luck, is probably not much more than 20 yards. I'm thinking you don't want to depend on luck with a limited number of shots in a life or death situation.
Getting closer would be better with the 410 for sure. I like 4 or 6 shot because it will generally pass through a grouse and not have a bunch of pellets stuck inside. When 410 ammo gets a little more available I would like to pattern it and find the maximum kill range like you mentioned with different loads. I buy what I find now and there is not much.
That is a tough question but I am with @FoulPet more specifically my BRN-16a1. Good simple iron sights and 20 inch barrel. I can kill anything here with 556 55gr FMJs if there is enough of them and they are put in the right place.
How about both? I just bought a TPS M6 scout and just might survive the wilds of Alaska…. If nobody lets my wife know that I bought another gun! Sshhhhh!
Thanks a lot for joining the Patreaon! Your secret is safe with me. I think those are some neat guns, what is the rifle barrel on yours chambered for? If I remember right there were a few options.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 22wmr. I just wrapped the barrels with paracord last night using Dave Canterbury’s guide. I hope to get it out next week to try it!
For a walk out of the wilderness scenario, I will take an ACCURATE lightweight 22 magnum AND a pump 12 gauge. I will use the 22 magnum when the opportunity presents itself to preserve my heavy 12 gauge shells. I will use the 12 gauge for anything that flies, or anything that is an immediate threat to my life like bears or a pissed off moose. Yes the combo of both weigh a bit, but I can separate the weight and carry most on my shoulders. I would also really like to have a good buck saw, and fishing gear like tackle, and maybe a gillnet. Throw in a few traps and snare wire and a few pounds of dried food to get me by and I think in would make it. I will shoot anything that comes within 125 yards of me, and fish until I can't catch any more. I will cut down trees if I have to and roast slabs of deer, elk, caribou, bear, moose, small game, birds, and fish over my roaring bonfire. My rescuers will find me by the trail of animal carcasses, fallen trees, and the remnants of bonfires.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 I'm looking hard, I got an old bolt action Springfield tube feed and i plan on doing some serious squirrel hunting this year.
I own both , Light weight 410s, and .22LR including a Little Badger. In the warmer months I'll always carry a .22 , but in the winter I will chose the 410. When there's mutch less game to shoot at, and you are shivering and cold, the "pattern" can make a lot of difference. Even a 12ga if you have motorized transportation. Ontario Canada.
Great point, I think the 410 has a bit of an edge at close range in less than ideal conditions!
Wow that was a great presentation with kinda surprising results! At least for me
Thanks! The 410 did better than I expected.
Excellent demonstration. I'll go with the best of both worlds with my TPS m6 takedown. 22wmr over 410. Love it.
Bought the same but haven’t tried it yet.
I think those are a pretty neat idea, I think they have some other interesting chamberings too.
Yup, I was going to say, why choose? When you can have both. 🙂
AWESOME pard , That was a Very informative video , I for one Love the .22lr and .410 shotguns 🤠👍👍 Looking forward to your next video !
Thanks a lot Bill.
I love that hat. Thx for the reviews. Very helpful. Keep it up.
Glad to see you are alright.
Thanks! I appreciate it.
What a great video! I had this exact question and couldn’t decide which to get. So I got a Chiappa double badger in both 22 WMR and .410. The sights on it are really good, it is dead on accurate right out the box, folds in half, and is more comfortable to fire. Downsides are that it is heavier, and doesn’t have the ability to store ammo on the unit itself.
Cool! I want to get my hands on a double badger when I can find one around here. Like you said not as light or compact but should be a much better gun to actually use.
Excellent video partner. Good stuff.
Thanks for watching!
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 thanks for responding. Nice to feel heard and acknowledged. Good for you. Good for us all.
I personally like a 22 handgun here in Alaska. It's light and compact and we shoot a lot of small game with them. I've shot a ton of grouse with my Browning buck mark.
Have to say I’m impressed with the 410, it did well. Thought the 22mag would have been the clear winner. I think between those choices I would have leaned towards the 22 but both have merits.
I was too, I think it just was really lucky but results are results.
I'm really enjoying your channel. What part of Alaska are you from? I'm up near North Pole.
Alan lives just north of Fairbanks.
Love your videos man 👍👍👍
Thanks, it means a lot!
I like your videos, Allen. You seem like a nice fellow and have good info. In a survival situation I would opt for a 10/22 take-down model myself.
Thanks a lot Bryan. That should do the trick!
Great shooting Alan!!!
Thanks Jason! Take care.
Shoulda used something brown to patch those pants, bub! Nice to see the Bravo running right again.
I kind of like the contrast haha. I like to make bold fashion choices. She runs like a champ now, so glad.
Love you brother but if I'm nervous I'll take the .410 . I'm thinking ill stick with a bigger shotgun. Or something in a small center fire that is a tac driver. I get survival rifle but is up to us to pick our tools for that. It's always a give and take considering the circumstance.
Great point, a light 12 or 20 would outclass the 410. So would a little 22 hornet or 223. Would love to see some more lightweight compact guns in those chamberings.
I don't own a 20 gauge yet but I think a 20 gauge is pretty perfect for survival.
I'll choose the 22 mag because it could kill big game if needed... head shots... a Eskimo lady even kill a polar bear with a 22 cal single shot.... so the mag is for me. Good video Allen.
Thanks a lot!
Great video... .nice job with your edits
Going to pick up your targets kinda reminded me of Benny Hill 😃
Thanks a lot, haha. Doing the fast motion is pretty fun.
Keep on keepin on
would like to know your opinion on 410 with slug vs 22 mag for larger game thanks for the vid
With the 22 you will probably have to take a headshot, right through the base of the ear. A good 410 slug will take a deer sized animal with a good broadside shot through the ribs. Both close range options, but the slug requires carrying a specialized type of ammo. Could go either way.
I suppose buying the survival rifle with both the .410 barrel and 22LR would be a decent option.
I think you can get the single shot Rossi with both barrels. I want to test out the double badger if I can ever find one.
Nice comparison video. I’m thinking that critter at twenty yards was lucky. I also think if you were very hungry and missed like that, you’d be one sad camper.
You are a very good shooter. The 20 yard 22mag miss is one of those “WTF was that” moments for sure.
I’d still go for the 22mag. You have to be prepared for something bigger coming along as your only chance for food.
Thanks for the good honest video. Stay safe out there!!
Thanks! Good point. You are right about the miss, it was shooting high the whole time, still my fault but I was shaking my head.
The real beauty of the .410 is the variety of ammo types and their abilities. You can use anything from #9 shot for birds, 7.5 ,6 and 4 for squirrel sized critters, all the way up to 000 buck shot.... and YES a 4.10 will ethically take a small to medium deer out to 40 yards. The .22mag will not unless you are able to get a perfect head shot.
Great points. I have been using that little .410 a lot more lately. Wish more ammo was available at the store.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 Do you have any .44 magnum rounds? Put one in your .410. It works. Keep a .444 Marlin round in your pocket, just for the aggressive moose. Yes, the .410 will shoot them both.
Definitely would go with the shotgun in a pinch you can take deer sized game.
I have been using that little .410 a lot recently. I like it more every day.
Man, takedown 10/22s have really gotten expensive. I bought my stainless model in 2016 for like $260. 100 bucks for a Magpul Backpacker stock, some 'upgrade' spare parts, a bunch of mags and I ended up with- the best survival .22 rifle I still haven't shot. 😆
Seems like everything has gotten expensive. Sounds like a cool setup, you should go shoot it!
Good comparison. If a firearm is needed to survive why not carry the extra weight and bring something more efficient. To miss with only one shot and watch dinner disappear seems unprepared. Just my thoughts, but I enjoyed the video. Keep them coming.
Thanks! Excellent point, is weight and compactness worth the sacrifices? Depends on the context I guess.
Think I'd go rifle with a poly stock and a scope on raised mount. Caliber would be 556. Big enough to take medium game. It's a common and relatively light round. Also more reliable than rimfire and better ballistics than 410. Shots would just need to be placed accurately so meat wasn't destroyed. Never been a survivalist so just based off random experiences.
CZ is making a new compact 556 bolt gun that would be pretty close to what you are describing. I agree with all your points about why 556 is the better choice.
I'm thinking that a longer barreled .410 would have helped you better. The longer the barrel, the more powder gets burned in the barrel, thus increasing your velocity and distance to the target. TGS Outdoors had .410 shot on target at 50 yards(wouldn't have been a clean kill), but he was using a 28" barrel, too. He also, might have had a full choke. All the Rossi shotguns in .410 come with a fixed Modified choke. Winchester is kind enough to list what their various shot sizes, chokes, distance to target and game. But I also bet, they were not using 18.5" barrel. 40 yards with a modified choke on the box was the limit(shot sizes 4-8).
So the 410 might be the better choice for someone new to hunting small game.
As far as shotguns go it would be as long as the critter is not flying, a beginner will probably have more fun shooting flying birds with a properly fitting and not to light 20 or a 12 because they will hit more often. A 22 rifle would be less forgiving with the fundamentals but would work well for a beginner once they have some practice, ammo is cheap and recoil is low.
You should do a cut shell with the 410 bird shot to simulate hunting deer. I'd rather have the 410.
That's a great idea. I may have to do some testing with that in the future.
It's not so much the pattern opening up as it is there just aren't very many pellets. Larger pellets tend to hold a pattern futher, but have more empty area inside the pattern. Shoot at a large sheet of paper to see the entire pattern.
Winchester has a 3/4oz load of 7 1/2s that will do everything a .410 will do on small game. If you shoot several times I bet you will see that the maximum range for sure killing, not luck, is probably not much more than 20 yards. I'm thinking you don't want to depend on luck with a limited number of shots in a life or death situation.
Getting closer would be better with the 410 for sure. I like 4 or 6 shot because it will generally pass through a grouse and not have a bunch of pellets stuck inside. When 410 ammo gets a little more available I would like to pattern it and find the maximum kill range like you mentioned with different loads. I buy what I find now and there is not much.
If you could only have one firearm? What would that be? Very tough question?
AR15
That is a tough question but I am with @FoulPet more specifically my BRN-16a1. Good simple iron sights and 20 inch barrel. I can kill anything here with 556 55gr FMJs if there is enough of them and they are put in the right place.
What's your thoughts on
17hmr?
I have never used one. Hear they are flat shooting but mess up a lot of meat, that is all info from others.
How about both? I just bought a TPS M6 scout and just might survive the wilds of Alaska…. If nobody lets my wife know that I bought another gun! Sshhhhh!
Great to see you on Patreon now too!
Thanks a lot for joining the Patreaon! Your secret is safe with me. I think those are some neat guns, what is the rifle barrel on yours chambered for? If I remember right there were a few options.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 22wmr. I just wrapped the barrels with paracord last night using Dave Canterbury’s guide. I hope to get it out next week to try it!
For a walk out of the wilderness scenario, I will take an ACCURATE lightweight 22 magnum AND a pump 12 gauge. I will use the 22 magnum when the opportunity presents itself to preserve my heavy 12 gauge shells. I will use the 12 gauge for anything that flies, or anything that is an immediate threat to my life like bears or a pissed off moose. Yes the combo of both weigh a bit, but I can separate the weight and carry most on my shoulders. I would also really like to have a good buck saw, and fishing gear like tackle, and maybe a gillnet. Throw in a few traps and snare wire and a few pounds of dried food to get me by and I think in would make it. I will shoot anything that comes within 125 yards of me, and fish until I can't catch any more. I will cut down trees if I have to and roast slabs of deer, elk, caribou, bear, moose, small game, birds, and fish over my roaring bonfire. My rescuers will find me by the trail of animal carcasses, fallen trees, and the remnants of bonfires.
Can't find .410 ammo down here.
It is hit or miss up here too, I grab a few boxes when I see it. Not much for load options but these ones worked pretty good.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 I'm looking hard, I got an old bolt action Springfield tube feed and i plan on doing some serious squirrel hunting this year.
@@kellyurban8229 I’m thinking you can get the tree rats with a 22LR easy enough🤷♂️
Consider an M6 Takedown.
Just finished the video and feel foolish lol
Its all good, I did wait till the very end to mention it. I would like to test one some time.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875
Savage has a 410-22 over under that looks decent. It's around 400ish msrp.
Id take the 410 you can defend yourself against coyotes , bob cats and bears etc
Shtf not survival. 22 is only as good as the ammo you have.
410 you can easily reload