Alto Power Speaker The Trouper vs TS308 with a TS218S 18" Subwoofer as a Bonus
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- Опубликовано: 25 апр 2019
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What a stellar way to conduct a comparison video. Thanks for taking such a thoughtful approach to this. Really helps out.
Wow love the warm sounds from the trouper, you very well helped me make up my mind. Thanks!
you cant deny the trouper has the clarity precisely on the mid hi but god damn that 308's pack a punch on low mid's.
Planning on picking one up soon.. I just picked up the little kustom pa 50 and a 8" harbinger and am fairly amazed of what small portable speakers can put out now..
I'm watching all your videos, very informative, nobody can do it better than you.
You are the best man, keep doing this comparisons 👍🏻 regards from México...
would the trouper be suitable as a monitor for a small band?
Thank you for review, great man!
Always enjoy your work
Great review sir. Tnx. I bought a trouper. Sounds really great and robust. Great for karaoke too. Wife loves it
BEST DEMO ONLINE! Thank you so much Boss!
Hi Thanks a lot for this very important comparison and test, I will buy my TS308 soon, from France...
I've actually been using 2 Troupers and a single 18"sub at weddings for 2 years and love them! I've got some other, larger powered speakers for bigger outdoor events, but for indoor receptions, those troupers (and the sub) get the job done.
I knew some would have a setup with two Troupers plus a sub-woofer. I think it"s a great Package. much better then just Two 10" on top. with no Sub-woofer.
how many people at a wedding can two troupers handle please? 100?
@@HGeorgeWilson I've used them at events with 150 ppl. (with the sub) Plenty of volume on the dance floor with lower levels at the back of the room for those wanting to have conversations. I recently bought a second pair for wider rectangular rooms, using them for additional side fills on the far right and left.
@@PURESOUND4 Im thinking about buying a pair of troupers instead of a pair of TX215s (combined with a 15 inch sub). Because Im going to play Rock and Metal music and I thinking the 6 inches will do a much better job at fast tracks/passages.
But... Have you tried your trouper/18 inch combination outside? Because Im going to play outside... But only for like 30-50 ppl.
@@Chris-yy7qc Yeah, I have used them outdoors several times for receptions with around 100 people and always have plenty of volume ( with the sub). I played a very small room a few weeks ago and could not fit my subwoofer. The troupers by themselves were ok during dinner but fell short in the low end when we started dancing. As long as you have a sub you should be fine.
I can’t decide!! Trouper vs ts308 vs headrush frfr108 , Id use them for meditative/ambient indoor concert, with instruments such as native flutes, didgeridoo, handpan, rav vast, tibetan bowls, etc, I dont want it to be crazy loud, but just enough so everyone in the room as the same experience, what would you suggest? Thanks!
I have to Mackie thump BST 15 can I control 4 those with the Samsung Galaxy since I can control two Bluetooth devices at the same time just wondering what your thoughts were
Wish I could still find these being sold, amazing value and sound so much better.
Thanks for creating educational videos!
Im planing to buy 2 alto trouper how can i connect both speaker manually not stereo link with wired..what kind of connection wire do i buy..thanks more power!
do you have QSC KW181.. can you do a comparison QSC KW181 and Alto TS218S
can you do a comparison between the Alto TS308 and the QSC CP8?
Great. Thanks
Getting the new Peavy P1 anytime soon? I think that would be a good match up to the trouper....
I play a wind controller in a band. I'm competing with a acoustic drums, electric guitar, bass and a piano. Would the trooper be enough? I'm playing in a mid size church.
i was about to pay for the ts308 but id rather have tropper with a sub thanks !!!
I paired my 2 Troupers with a TS312S sub and I feel that the sub is overpowering the Troupers even when the sub is at unity
Excelent video 👍
Great comparison, you did an awesome job here!
Thank You
Does the 308 have considerably more headroom still?
Trouper support android bluetooth streaming? Does anybody know?
I think I like the TS308 with the sub. Do Alto have small sub? 15 or 12.
Hello sir do you have a Martin Audio Subwoofer sir? Model WS 18 inch..
Super Trouper (Abba). Blew away the little joker with the single 8-inch woofie, maybe it would have been fairer to compare it to a 2-way with a 12-inch LF membrane. What I am interested is: how would the Alto Pro Trouper compare to the rather similarly designed, but twice as expensive TURBOSOUND iNSPIRE iP300 column speaker? I am looking for a permanent installation in a 4.0 or 5.1 screening room /music listening room combo. Human voice clarity is main consideration.
I think ip300 its way better than alto trouper i had the chance to listen both the ip300 its louder when you push it to the limit he responds nicely but the alto not so much
Underrated bass
Between the two, who has more bass?
Could you do a review of a topp pro ks218a sub?
Hi what's about paring 2 ts312 on single Ts218s
Will I get a balance sound 🔊💯
Ok thanks for my love for alto, I will get the new 3 series
I have a Yamaha 400i pair 8" , the 12" Alto sub12 makes them sound like night and day, huge difference for one 12" sub
A decent sub is generally of the 18" or 21" variety, sometimes for a very small venue a 15" could be used, but a 12" sub, well my friend unless you are using it in your bedroom will be useless in a club room.
@@philipellis4530 Depends how big the club is, RCF and FBT make some great 12" subwoofers. They are pricey though so you might as well get an 18 at that point unless you're short on space
@@johgus96jg I think it also depends on how loud your audience wants it, I have just supplied a large pub with 130 people and used a 21" sub with a 18" bass cab on top then a pair of 10" mids and a pair of compression horns on top of that per side, powered by 4 Yamaha 2 channel amps via a 4 way active crossover, it sounded excellent, one of the team who was going to uses a pair of RCF 15" active speakers and one sub thought I was crazy until he heard it, he did have Alto's and kept blowing the tweeters and got rid of them for the RCF's. If you care to look on my facebook 'Phil Ellis' you can see some of the gear I use, and also some old photos back in the 80's
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Sure, but you'll need a truck to carry that stuff, and a few extra hands, and after a while a fysiotherapist for your back problems... ;)
I just want to say I always watch your video when thinking about making a purchase. I just bought the TS408 for my smaller 50 to 60 guests or less sound-system. How much better did they make the 408 compared to the 308? I use EV for larger parties and a ts412 for outdoor events.
TS408 vs 308 has the same power output, but the 408 has a much better pre-amp controller plus the app.
@@expertisland I can't find the TS308. It is all TX308. That is why I went with the 408.
What about a 15” t3?
Great job ! You got a new sub here...
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Awesome! Thank you!
Hi everyone's
I can't just wait to receive my alto double ts312 and Ts218s
Instead of "Hi everyone's just say Hi everyone, or Hi Everybody, anyway just be careful, don't overload them, I have repaired many where the tweeters have blown, Alto call them compression drivers but they are an imitation and cheap as chips, even the woofer is unbranded cheap pressed steel chassis, always remember you get what you pay for, they don't install quality drivers believe me, no good for front of stage, only good for monitoring from your 'Booth' control on your mixer (if you have one).
If you're in Italy buy B&C or Beyma woofers when yours blows these will sound twice as loud and will last, but you will have to pay a lot more, when you think about it, the worse thing that can happen is when it breaks down during the crucial stage when everybody is on the dance floor. Never buy cheap ... you will buy twice or even three times. How they can call these speakers 'Alto Professional' beats me. All I can say is GOOD LUCK.
Now that Troupers aren’t available any more, I’d there anything in the same bracket and form factor that replaces them?
Just Back ordered like half of the product out there. We have some on order for the last 2 months.
But if you need like this sooner have a look at kustom.com/products/?category-name=PA%20Systems
@@expertisland Thank you for your help!
@@expertisland do you alto trouper sir? Can i order?
Trouper number 1
Agreed.. trouper definitely fills the room with clear full sound.. doesn't really seem to lack much in the bottom register.. granted a 15 has more rumble but the trouper is a lot of bang for the buck..
Im sorry, but I didnt see you say which speaker was playing at a certain point, as you can hear some difference. So if I liked a certain sound, I dunno which speaker it was.
He is lighting up the actively playing speaker(s)...
The Trouper has more of a full sound ,to me
For me it sounds like there is no bass and only mids and highs
Yeah just needs a sub for a awesome balance, way more full sounding
Trouper definitely sounds more focused.. surprising what a small speaker can put out.. have 8"s that throw more low end than 12's I've owned..
Nice review man, What about comparing the Alto Ts308 over the Alto Tx208
Kukuha ako ng trouper next time
@@bigboykldaudiosounds3756 kabayan mas ok kung marinig mo mismo ang dalawang speaker.wattage palang talo na ang tropper.dka pwede bumase sa review nila:)
@@jerryvargas1503 well its been a year etong comment ko check mo channel ko youu see what i got now
in person with your ears, is the "2000" watt speaker nicer sounding?
if by nicer you mean bit more bass and bit more punch.. I would say yes. Trouper would be a handy little stack tho for sure
Actually, volume, wattage, and bass are three separate and distinct things. Volume and wattage can be related, but don’t necessarily have to follow each other. You can have low wattage systems that are extremely efficient that are louder than higher wattage inefficient systems. That’s why wattage is more or less irrelevant. What people should be looking at to figure out how loud a particularly speaker is, are continuous output levels, and peak output levels.
You hit the nail.
Trouper vs t310 pls. Tnx
What’s the difference beTween the ts308 vs the ts310
Ts 308 got 8" speaker, ts 310 got 10" speaker
the trooper has great mids as expected with the three 6s. i have been looking for ceremony speakers, i may go with the troopers.
If your looking for something that is a little louder and maybe has more quality, then I would recommend the Bose S1 pro. However the Alto Troupers are great speakers and sound epic considering the price.
Alto Pro Trouper or the rather similarly designed, but twice as expensive TURBOSOUND iNSPIRE iP300 column speaker. Not sure what the diff is between them as for the sound, particularly mid frequencies.
EV 15p vs TS315
I have added 15P vs Ts315 to my TO-DO list. Thanks for the request.
Trouper or turbosound ip300?
I haven't personally had one but for twice the price I hope it's better.
Not even close
I will say that, I do not like talking about the watts that a speaker has. In general it is a fictional number made up by the manufacturer when it comes to peak power. Even the RMS or the Continuous Rating is often exaggerated these days. Real number to look at is the DB or max sound level. The trouper at 200 watts is probably accurate. The TS308 at 2000 watts is a lie, and 1000 continuous is for sure exaggerated. I have Alto speakers and love them but the power ratings on the newer TS series are exaggerated by a lot. They still sound awesome though!
“Something is a little bizarre on how they come up with there wattage” yeah just a little lol… I think take any company these days and divide by 10… so 2000 is 200… 1200 is 120… 2000 watts is what it’s rated at into a dead shot for 2 milliseconds as it bursts into flames…
Excellent demo. Clearly the TS308 is missing something in the midrange and upper bass. Purely out of the box, in comparison the Trouper has a more balanced sound...than the TS308....
For basic end users, without advanced skills and tools to properly equalise a PA, this is where more expensive gear like the QSC's and Bose and JBL's and Yamaha DXR, provide an advantage, a more balanced sound - straight out of the box. IMHO Alto's drivers - out of the box are cheaper sounding -sadly truth be told. For basic DJ'ing the audience may not be able to tell the difference after a few drinks.
I think though, if one has the money, its good to pay once and get something that will provide reliable quality service. The ALTO's are durable, if cared for, but I think if you are critical, JBL SRX 800 series is a good place to start. Expensive yes - but over time, I have come to appreciate the difference.......Designing good quality drivers with even frequency response, is not cheap, and the smaller companies like ALTO do not have the same level of experience and research facilities, while JBL who makes their own drivers is able to spread this cost of research across a wider range of products.
On the power front the recent ALTO's are doing great - lots of power, excellent cases, but the question is - is the reduced price worth the difference in sound quality - only you can tell. I own an ALTO 3 speaker. It's ok but If I had more money to spend I would get a JBL SRX, or QSC....depends on how picky you are about your sound.
I would also be looking at companies like RCF, FBT and dB technologies. Very popular here in Europe, RCF also make their own drivers. I own a pair of 10" RCF speakers and the sound quality seriously blows my mind.
To be fair he does say these are for small venues, acustic guitar, pubs, studios... not big outdoor events, which is what we are talking about
Okay1 - Based on the sound and what he was doing switching the sub in and out on the fly, I suspect that the 308 had no crossover to the sub and either the "contour" engaged or no proper eq'ing. Out of the box, the 308 has a huge ~70hz, low Q boost from it's DSP without the contour engaged! From cal mic measurements, the response is already the traditional eq "smiley face". This why the mids sound "scooped". EQ that bass boost mostly out, and it sounds much more balanced...
@@goldsburg I tend to agree. I was able to use some EQ, not the typical parametric or graphic EQ, FIR from convolution impulses, running in a DAW on a computer, using a measurement microphone, and automatic (with manual final adjustments) to make significant improvements to an ALTO 310, in a home studio environment. balancing the EQ from 50hz to 18K, pretty flat. Albeit it was not significantly deviating from flat, when measured.
However, not sure if the majority of the typical end users of these kinds of boxes would have the knowledge or time, or gear, to carry out such finessing of a speaker.
So ultimately it will come down to budget. Budget derived from :
a) In a commercial setting, what is the customer willing to pay, in a pure rental scenario. What gear will I stock that customers want to pay for? I think the warranty on the Yamaha DXR, JBL SRX, and the QSC's as well as the more rounded sound quality in this price bracket, and reliability of these kinds of boxes (i.e lots of protection from all manner of extremes built in) may make them a better choice. The ALTO's have one major flaw, they rather than use a separate input for line level, and another for mic level, combine this into the same input, and use the same gain control, so in a rental scenario, it is so easy to plug in a line level input, and turn the gain way above what is ideal for line level, into the higher gains needed by a connected dynamic microphone, and cause damage and/or distortion.. Here its not that the speaker is bad, just used badly. And I can imagine lots of unsatisfied customers who inadvertently destroyed the speaker or could not get a good sound out of it, not understanding that the ALTO gain dial operates in a bit of a different manner. For this reason, in this scenario, as much as I invested in an ALTO, I would not suggest it for most use cases of this kind.
b) In a non commercial setting, which includes a band investing in their own PA gear - i.e the customers are not paying for the gear used as a separate item, but as part of the band's total service, how much do we have to spend and how much is our sound quality worth to us. There are no right or wrong answers. Pick one.
I think in most cases, they would prefer something that just works, plug and play. is guaranteed to be reliable and sound good, straight out of the box, particularly in a portable setup.
A while back, I enjoyed performing miracles with low cost gear, but over time I realise, this meant the superior performance would need me to be present to achieve it, cos the skills to squeeze honey from dirt, are not always teachable in a short amount of time, so more than ever before, I've changed tack, and appreciate that the higher cost gear in many cases is justified, where people are critical about their sound, and less handholding. Life's too short, to be finagling some design flaws in an ALTO. WIth Covid-2, our main lesson, just spend the money when you have it, save for the rainy day also - do both. And buy yourself something good. That puts a smile on your face every time. For me in this scenario, that would be a JBL SRX... or the recent YAMAHA DXR v 2 if I wanted to save a bit of money. If I was really skint(broke) - the MACKIE SRM550 or SRM 650 will do just as good a job as any. and if I was not bothered about looks the MACKIE SRM 450 Mk 3's are almost as cheap as the ALTO (about 30 dollars more per speaker) equivalent, and these SRM 450's which started the whole trent towards powerful portable speakers- well over a decade ago, will blast all day and night, very loud and clear. So why take the risk and buy ALTO, if there is better out there. Thankfully the ALTO has done a good job for us, by bringing down the price of competition like the MACKIE SRM 550 and 650, which were once more expensive.
@@johgus96jg I tried some RCF studio monitor, they claimed FIR, but they just sounded really, really off. Tried 2 pairs, 8.inch and smaller. My hearing is not as good as it was 50 years ago.... so for me, spending a lot more on name-brand gear might not worth it.
hands down ,,,308 every time
trouper
don't be put off by any comments you may hear. Make no mistake these are awesome speakers. I have 2 x ts 310s an. d 2 x ts 212s subs and they sound fantastic. You will always get people who will put them down and i guarantee 90% of them would not know which was which if you blindfolded them including me. Are they on par with the qsc k series and similar, well when you take into account the price then yes they are. Do they sound as good, well to the trained ear probably not, but i cant remember the last time i did a disco and heard people discussing my mids, highs and lows, because nobody cares as long as they sound good and they do.
I guess I’m the only one, but I think the ts308 sound better. I’m surprised, but I definitely like the sound profile better vs trouper
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TS308 can produce more low end than the trouper