Secure Storage of Non Restricted Firearms- Canada
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- Опубликовано: 8 янв 2014
- The law....Good review if you have a slippery memory...
I am not a lawyer, Canadian Firearm Regulations are ALWAYS subject to change and interpretation. I am passing on the information I am given by the Canadian Firearm Program and the RCMP. It is YOUR responsibility to verify the information and keep current on any changes.
Had the “left the bolt at home “ thing happen on a hunting trip, good thing there was a back up rifle along!
No more bolt removal!
Locks only keep honest people out.
I am glad that I do not need a Trigger Lock to keep my rifles in a locked case .... That is good news !!!
Honest people and maybe your kids. These laws save lives.
No they do keep bad people out too
Oh so true....
Me?
I trigger lock my rifles in a locked plastic case....inside a locked school locker
Bolts out in a separate locked ammo case (hidden)
Never the less....my 16 year-old son could access a workable firearm in....5 min?
Cats paw and a hammer....
@@C4N4DI4N Teach your kids how to safely handle firearms. Secure your firearms prior to them being ready to learn.
A locked room is also legal. My gun room has a combination lock on the door and it contains all of my firearms and ammo.
Cops told me if there are windows you require secure bars on the window.
@@duanemousseau3699 those are cops and not informed gun owners who in general don't know gun laws intimately in my opinion.
james k he is right though.,...
Non-Restricted
Storage
Must be unloaded.
Must be secured by a locking device so that it cannot be fired or must be locked into a room or container that is hard to break into.
Exception: An unloaded non-restricted firearm can be stored temporarily (separate from ammunition) if it is needed for predator control.
Vehicle storage: Gun must be locked in the trunk area or other similar compartment. If vehicle does not have such a compartment, the firearm must be put out of sight and the vehicle locked securely.
I think you should make a vidieo on "Don't get me started.
Gone are the days when dads loaded shotgun was off limits and you DIDN'T touch it.
Well yeaaaa!!!
Don't touch my car doesn't work either. And as far as that goes don't touch any of my s*** doesn't work. Cuz we don't have to teach our children not the touch what don't belong to them, no matter what all right!!!😠
Nice summary Rod. It can be a confusing subject in Canada, especially when you have restricted vs non-restricted, and some "logically-challenged" regulations. Thanks.
rod you are such a boss, really appreciate all the informative videos you have put out for us canadians :) cheers and happy new year good sir
Great video! I have been looking for videos like this for some time. A lot of American gun laws on RUclips , but not many Canadian. Thanks a bunch! SUBSCRIBED!
Thanks for clarifying these laws for me. Geez I've been told all kinds of 'options' by guys whom I though knew what they were talking about. Now I know that I've been doing it correctly all along.
I have subscribed to your channel as of right now. I did poke a bit of fun at you on the Norinco CQA review, but it was in fun
. I have found that dealing with one particular company here in 'Canada' has been a lesson for others in " SERVICE", and that Chinese guns need to be cleaned just like all the others. I too, love 'em.
Thanks for all your reviews, I like these too.
Much appreciated Rod, free education is the best kind.
Another thing about trigger locks - if you have a bunch of them and they're not of the same brand, it's possible to get 2 sides that lock in to each other, that don't have any numbers/combination on either side; meaning, you've got a trigger lock on your gun that you can't get off without drilling and cutting it off. Now when I'm at the range, I always put the 2 correct sides back together as soon as I take them off then gun.
All information is good information when it comes to safety!👍 thanks!
Good stuff. Thanks for clearing everything up.
Thanks!
It says on the RCMP site that a locked cabinet or room is also within the law. It doesn't need to be an expensive safe.
C Delany room can’t have windows though, so under stairs section with locking door works just fine
Thanks Rod! very comforting.
Thanks...much clearer than reading the law..
Great videos, my fav. channel.
Very insightful and good knowledge
Simple and complete video, very very good, im only wondering if the case needs to have a lock or if only closing properly is considered locked
Good presentation, thanks.
Thanks for the information, much needed
Hi. Had firearms since childhood and raised on a farm. In the early 90s because of regulations, kids and life I sold off my guns. Now 25 years later urged by my wife I got my PAL and rearmed again for recreation, hunting and protection. Not really knowing the practical side of the new regulations your videos as basic as they are explain the convoluted Canadian regulations well. Thanks.
Thank you Rod!
I have seen a few comments on this topic that no one replied to about is it legal to store non restricted firearms in a locked wooden case? Be a huge help if someone could get an answer because I can't seem to find one. Great videos and amazing help! Keep up the good work!!
Awesome video it cleared up a bunch of stuff, one question though ammunition can it be stored in a lockbox like one of those fireproof document safes?
awesome video,man!
removing the bolt is great for a mosin nagant, it just slides right into the carrier when you need it!
can you touch on the subject of antique gun storage laws in Canada? particularly spur trigger revolvers.
Really appreciate the information, now I notice it’s been 8 years ago since this video posted, so I assuming it’s still the same thing today or pretty much ?
Hi Rod just took your course and still refreshing my memory. Never enough education. Great course by the way. What are your thoughts on the ZORE locking device?
Rod, some of us aim for bare legal compliance, so trigger locks (only on my restricteds) are set up to barely meet the legal definition. Combination, easy sequence, mostly intact, so it's a couple of clicks away from being made safe and holstered (yes, I'm talking restricted - I've never put a trigger lock on a non-restricted). Our laws are already insanely draconian and if we keep going above and beyond, the law enforcement community will start to expect that of us and will push for more bending over. Those who don't bend over enough will be punished by process (legal fees). If a criminal has enough control over your gun to take possession of it, load it, and attempt to cycle the action, it being trigger-locked or cable-locked would be the least of your concerns.
Of course, holstered only at the range when allowed to do so or at home when doing dryfire practice.
the thing about draconian gun "laws" is they are only able to be enforced by some firearm owner actually capitulating to them. that is inherent to the nature of firearms themselves...
I always heard that you don't actually need any lock when storing "under the bed" though, but was just highly recommended, although, that may have just been here say from my buddies
If it's not in a locker/vault then it needs a trigger lock. The only time it doesn't need a trigger lock is when you are transporting it in your car. Non restricted of course
i have 44 trigger locs and most are key... my buddy who got his pal finely retrieved some fire arms that were confiscated from his dad... well he got the guns back but didnt have the keys for the locks... they were masters... well i tried every master key i had an was able to wiggle the key enough to unlock it. :D i guess master can only have so many patterns before they get a close repeat...
Perfect thank you. For option 4 Does it have to be a gun safe or any type of safe?
Very helpful!
I somehow misread the law and went back to it after I saw the restricted firearms version of this, It made sense reading it after that video, Even firearm articles said you need to lock your gun and ammo in different rooms, Now I know that’s not the case 100 % of the time.
do you have to plug an electronic safe into a wall to use it? or does it depend on the batteries not wearing out?
I bought a gun over the summer got it home from the store and realized they forgot the trigger lock on it and long story short a metal drill bit does the trick in about 10 seconds
Or...just unscrew the trigger guard...
They really are just a band-aid measure
Kind of like a breach flag on the range...you COULD cut the post off and walk around with a round up the spout
But...why?
not likely how I did it took less than 5 min
Hey is there a way you can make a video about legal transport of both classes of firearm? Thanks
wildlife protection = ok
wild humans protection = prison time
god bless Canada
yup, the laws are designed to disarm you, and to turn you into a victim. working as intended in Kanada
i dont know man, someones in my house in the middle of the night and you pop a shotgun shell in their knee caps, i would take that one to court
Nob Gobbler are you serious?
you shoot when you need to.
what if theres a bunch of thugs armed in your house? scare them, with your gun, if they charge shoot em to bits.
spammed999 we don't need "thugs" on this earth. specially ones fucked up enough to rob houses
+big Zini best to be judged by 12 then carried by 6
For the case, if it has ammo or no ammo do you need to lock it?
And can you use that case in present form to transport it or must you do it different?
Does ammo need to be in a different room? Or say ammo locked up in one maybe cheaper safe, guns locked in another and both in the same room. I just want to know if theres ways to store ammo without it being at another location and without a massive safe to store ammo in that you also trust to protect your firearms.
I made my own gun cabinet out of wood, and if somebody really wanted to they could just take the screws out of the hinges and walk away with my guns. There is a lock on the doors though so does this apply to the 4th method? I have cable locks on all my bigger guns (12 gauge, 270, and SKS) but do I legally have to? Or does this count as a gun safe?
Is the chiappa 12 45-70 classed as non restricted and therefore able to take camping, the chiappa has a 12 inch barrel 👍🇬🇧
Rod regarding the Non-restricted Firearms in a safe. Can the ammo be kept in the safe with the non-restricted firearm. I ask this because f I read the law it says ammo cannot be in the same room vs. Restricted where because of wording/typo one can keep loaded magazines or ammo box in the safe or locked secured box. Please let me know your thoughts as right now I keep ammo in locked Plano ammo containers in my closet and guns in the safe.
Has any of these laws changed in the intervening years? Can you still store ammo in a safe box with an unloaded firearm? Things have just changed so quickly up here in Canada, I want to make sure I'm still following the law
If you forget your code on a trigger lock you can just try all 1000 combinations. It would only like like 10-15 minutes.
who forget his code tho
do the green gun safes that use a key (usually sold at Canadian Tire for around $200) count as gun safes? or are they considered something else as there is only sheet metal and a key lock?
So ammo and rifle can be stored in a case like this if it's locked?
Magazine under the pillow
9mm on the bedside table
Come at me Trudeau.
You'd be taking charges on the chin and getting everything confiscated
Hold my AR-15.
It's not even Trudeau, yeah he's opposed to guns but he's actually a great prime minister. I'd vote conservative if they gave a shit about my disabilities. Politics in this country are a joke anyway. Majority of voters don't even research what they're voting for. Also lots of older people just vote for who they've BEEN voting for all along. The young and educated are completely misguided so they're no help. People shit on Trudeau, when he is getting Canadians home right now and giving us extra money if we need it during a crisis. What conservative government would be helping my LOW-INCOME family out during this pandemic without cutting every service to do so. Liberal means for the people, conservative is for the STATE.(Don't mean state as in US, I mean state as in government body)
Only thing I don't agree with is banning assault weapons and handguns. Other than that, long live a government who actually takes care of people, rather than helping the middle-class exclusively and talking shit about rival parties.
D Shack that’s hilarious buddy!😆
Doesn't the lock on your door to your house count ?
Only a little...
FACTZ
Ppl inside can also access, front lock not sufficient
@CDN Sniper 911 dude not open fire...
I am not allowed to bolt things down in my apartment. is weighing down my safe with 100lb of lead shot a good idea or should I just slap a lock on it and hide it?
i don't know about 4 digit code locks, as if you are diligent it could be opened it 12hours and 30minuets were as a 4 digit 60 number dial lock would take a solid week with no brakes, assuming you can turn the dial vary fast a good dial lock has 4 digits and 100 numbers to bring it up to 1.5 months with no brakes.
Is option 2 still legal method today , 2020.
I'm asking since this video is 6 years old.
The idea behind the bolt being removed is for multiple guns and easier storage. Remove all ammo from room. Guns with bolts go into one safe properly secured. Other guns remove the bolt put the bolt or firing pin into another safe lock that in the safe with your other guns.
Now you can display your other guns on a rack as storage but they are non functional.
(1) An individual may store a non-restricted firearm only if
(a) it is unloaded;
(b) it is
(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device,
(ii) rendered inoperable by the removal of the bolt or bolt-carrier, or
(iii) stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and
(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.
My interpretation of the laws is that you must follow (i) AND either (ii) or (iii), meaning two locks.
2 locks NR, 3 for R
Are these method still good in 2022
Is a gun safe considered the same as a locking gun cabnet?
dose the gun safe need too be bolted too the ground?
is this up to date? have the laws not changed at all since 2014?
This video was helpful. However I was looking at tactical walls and they use magnetic locks. Is that "secure " enough. If so than it should be fine under option number 2
Technically probably, but I don't think any lawyer you talk to is going to hang his shingle on a magnetic lock.
thanks
This video dates back 7 years, with different modifications having been made since, is this info still valid?
Love your VIDS keep them comming.. what about a soft case with the zippers locked together, still ok?I have a case with my sub 2000,tavor and kriss V all non-R.
thx
I'll find out about that...
Thank you. keep up the good work.
Civil Advantage I'm also curious about this. A locked soft case seems like it would be less secure than a locked hard case, but both are really just minor deterrents.
I bought a Benelli MR1 that came with a really nice soft case. I have all of my guns in a gun safe at home, and ammo locked up in a separate steel cabinet, but I just wonder for transport. Regardless, I also always transport every gun with a locking device (Trigger/cable lock), but on the off chance that I might forget to put one on there...
Hello, how many locks should I use on the case? Would 2 be okay? Or every lock hole? 🤪🥴
My understanding of safe storage for UNRESTRICTED firearms is that they need to be stored UNLOADED with a minimum of ONE lock... locked vehicle, locked house, locked room, locked locker, locked safe, trigger lock or action lock. Ammo must be stored separately unless it is locked in the same case as the gun... which can be everything mentioned above EXCEPT trigger or cable locked firearms. Am I wrong on any of that?
Is it okay to put bullets in the magazine and lock up somewhere away from the gun?
Probably a stupid question, but if I have a side saddle for shells like yours there, can they be full of ammo while stored if ammo is allowed in the same case? Or loaded magazines not in the gun for that matter as well?
I'd like to know why bull-pup centerfire firearms are legal to purchase/own and why bullpup pellet guns aren't legal to purchase. Example: FX Wildcat which is longer than 26 inches even without the stock. I would love to have one in 30cal. for when I go for walks in the bush just for protection.
There is a contradiction between storing and transporting NR. You said when transport your unloaded NR rifle just throw it in the trunk with no locking device on. When stored under your bed unloaded ( with ammunition away in different room ) you mentioned the locking cable to be on ? why ?
Perhaps its answered somewhere in the comments but a cable lock isn't going to work in all cases...over/under shotgun comes to mind. Good videos you folks put together though!
You can get ridiculously long cable locks. But for a over/under & side by side a trigger lock is the next best thing. That being said. I once had a mini strong-box that I stored all my keys in. For whatever reason I threw it out when I was cleaning. Frustrating yes, but it took me less then 15 minutes to unlock 7 guns with both cable and trigger locks. Your best bet is a safe. Even with that though. Unless your safe is inside Fort Knox, that safe can/will be broken in to if a person has the skill/time/determination to do so. But that stands for pretty much everyphysical item in this whole world.
+largerPOTATO Depending on the design, a lock around the body of the firearm that prevents it from being closed might work as well. I'm thinking of a long padlock.
I have a restricted storage question for you. I have a S&W revolver that has a built in lock which locks out the trigger and hammer. Do I need to use a trigger lock still while it's in my safe? I use one anyway, but I don' know for certain.
Jim Dent yes, because legally you are required an external locking device, the built in lock is just a “safety” in the eyes of the law
I believe that contradicts it's use for self defense.
when i have my bolt actions on the wall for display i remove the firing pin grom the bolt, so the gun still looks good with the bolt in but it cannot discharge
Olivier Jeanson legally that’s not classified as secure locking device in canada
@@ameyaarondekar7938 it's a lock or rendered unable to fires.
ty
Actual law
Unload and lock your firearms
Store the ammunition separately or lock it up. It can be stored in the same locked container as the firearms.
Locking part
Attach a secure locking device, such as a trigger lock or cable lock (or remove the bolt) so the firearms cannot be fired; or
Lock the firearms in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into.
What about guns unlocked and unloaded on display yet all ammo is securely locked and out of same room?
Outstanding vids! Thank you! I'm up in PG BC - I've been researching ways o become a certified FA instructor. As i understand it, the certification/licence has to be passed down, gifted or purchased. Is this accurate? It's a personal/professional goal to become an instructor - Any wisdom/tips that you can share?
Not accurate to my knowledge. Call the firearm center, they'll tell you how it's done. 1-800-731-4000
I doesn't have to be a safe.... a gun cabinet or even a locked room or closet to store firearms is also legal. Basically, anything locked is treated the same way whether it's made of metal, wood or plastic.www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm"Lock the firearms in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into."
Would the tactical wall mirror thing count? Thought that was pretty damn cool
please for the love of god mention which big box store i can get a sweet case like that for 30 bucks lol
on a serious note, does ammo have to be stored in a different room, or can it just be out of sight like in a drawer or somewhere not immediately available.
Different room. The whole point of it is so you can't load a firearm quickly not so someone else can't. Canada doesn't like it when you defend yourself from intruders.
Rod, can you make a video on where, except for the shooting range you can shoot a non-restricted firearm? Are out of the city limits farms or privately owned land ok or just the woods during hunting season?
On crown land or private property
as stated on private property 200m away from any roads or houses
Confederates morons can't shoot anywhere in Canada.
@@burtonkidd Only 200m really? I thought I read like no buildings in a 5km radius or something absurd like that
Here's a question - the firearms act states that firearms must be stored in a manner (safe) that is "not easily broken open or into" ... who determines what is easy to break open?
A criminal judge after you spent hundred of thousands of dollar in lawyer fees to protect yourself from the "punishment by process" method.
The subjective judgment of the police officer that comes knocking;)
Yup. I lost all of my guns today and they were ordered to be forfeited and destroyed.
Back story. Last November I posted a tutorial on an sks take down. I posted the video on my Facebook. My ex girlfriend called the police on me saying that my guns were unsafely stored n that I was dangerous. The police came into my house after seeing the video of my torn apart gun(was not yet reassembled. But was apparently capable of firing even with the trigger assembly removed)
And they took it along with all my other guns. My other guns were all in a safe.
The judge said since I had a teenager in my house who could reassemble the gun n use it for harm. That all my weapons should be destroyed. My license revoked. And I was to pay a fine. They took 9 guns. Even the ones with trigger locks. N fur what ever reason have me 8 months probation.
The law is so corrupted. This costed be well over 10k.
that is a pretty devastating situation. they do what they want when they want. when it comes down to it, the law is basically one sided.
Cable lock also allows would be thief’s that stole your weapons... quick and easy access
Rod, where are you buying those combination cable locks. Canadian Tire or Bass Pro do not have cable locks with combinations on them. Thanks. I also came up empty on eBay
eBay definitely has them...www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=gun+cable+lock+combination
@@matthewcapaldi amazon.ca
Gun safe or gun locker?
If I buy a hard case like that, store a shotgun and ammo. Does it need a pad lock or just use the case’s clamp locks?
is a gun cabinet considered a safe?
I doesn't have to be a safe.... a gun cabinet or even a locked room or closet to firearms is also legal. Basically, anything locked is treated the same way whether it's made of metal, wood or plastic.www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm"Lock the firearms in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into."
Are the Stack On Gun Security Cabinets (or similar) considered a safe as far as the law is concerned? Essentially a locking steel box bolted to the ground?
Yes.
I heard people that live rural are allowed to have quick access to a loaded firearm in order to protect their animals from predators, can you tell me if that is legal?
Thanks for the great videos!
I think you're mixing a couple things: Firstly this only applies to NR guns
(2) Paragraph (1)(b) [basically what is covered in this video] does not apply to any individual who stores a non-restricted firearm temporarily if the individual reasonably requires it for the control of predators or other animals in a place where it may be discharged in accordance with all applicable Acts of Parliament and of the legislature of a province, regulations made under such Acts, and municipal by-laws.
[that means not necessarily wilderness areas, but also in a city or town where it is legal for a citizen to discharge a weapon against a predator, you do not have to lock it: 1(a) you still have to unload it and 1(c) ammo cannot be readily accessible to the firearm]
(3) Paragraphs (1)(b) and (c) do not apply to an individual who stores a non-restricted firearm in a location that is in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting. [applies not just to predator control, but all activities associated with hunting] [1(a) still applies: it still must be stored unloaded]. [Hinges on the judge agreeing that hunting is the only reasonable use of a firearm where you are...]
I'm not a liar but nor am I a lawyer, so don't quote me. My NR gun is cable locked at all times I'm not shooting it if able. I don't even have an R-Pal because between the slimy law and the slimy cops, that's trouble I can't afford.
I'm being told these regulations have changed is this true on storage for non-restricted
Can you keep nonrestricted fire arms that are locked up in a safe at someone else’s house even if you have the only key??? someone like a trusted family member?
Glad i live in nh legal to have quick access to a loaded firearm in the desk or night stand and to use it in self defense
how many time it saved your life and how many child died from a loaded firearm left alone ?... thats why
A couple questions:
Can a vehicle's locked trunk be used for storage? Would having a firearm in a locked case change this?
Does a disassembled AR-7 meet the requirements of "removing the bolt", for storage regulations?
a locked vehicle becomes the secure container.
A vehicle is still a vehicle. It's not storage. You can leave a non-restricted firearm in an unattended vehicle if the firearm is unloaded, the firearm is in the trunk (if you have one) or out of sight (if you don't have one) and the doors have to be locked.
Civil Advantage Well I don't know if it is considered not in storage, because it certainly is not being transported. But yes if the vehicle is locked and the NR firearm is out of sight and unloaded it does not need to be trigger locked. A locked vehicle acts the same as a safe.
The proper way to use a trigger lock is to lock the unit while lose, then close it tight.
StackOn Cabinets from canadian tire are ok to keep firearms without triger or cable lock ? Loaded magazines can be in the there too ?
my understanding from my pal class was you couldnt keep mags loaded... the reasoning i got was mags=part of gun part of gun loaded=gun loaded therefore mag loaded=gun loaded
plus keeping the spring under tension increases wear... depending how long they stay stored loaded
Only the constant use of a spring wears it out.
Your PAL instructor was wrong, or you misheard what he said. The definition of "loaded" is in the Act. Loaded mags are fine if out of the firearm and the firearm itself isn't "loaded" until a loaded magazine is in the firearm.
And, as already mentioned, compressing a mag spring does NOT "wear it out". In most applications, a spring spends most of its life compressed. I've got a 350 in my truck with valve springs that have been under constant compression for literally decades.
Do you also release your recoil spring or your gas piston return spring?
LMAO 5:48 is inside joke that all Canadian gun owners will understand.......
Hahaha
self defense? but its not a legal reason in canada?
No, Americans think Canadian gun laws don't make sense as well.
@neverenoughadventure Legally it is valid, bureaucracy says no.
@@neverenoughadventure Nononono you should almost never use a gun in self defense in Canada. You're better off just running and praying. According to my interpretation of the law (aka DO NOT RELY ON MY COMMENT, read the law yourself), the only time you could get away with the use of a firearm in self defense (only non-restricted though) is if you reasonably (so that could vary from judge to judge since it's subjective) believe that someone is about to kill you and you have absolutely nowhere to go and absolutely nothing else you can go. Even then ya might go to jail:)
What about storing an unloaded firearm in a locked room?
Does it matter if a shotgun is disassembled?