Do I Have To Tell An Officer I Have Guns?
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- This video addresses a very common question--do I have to tell the officer I have guns? Do I have to show them my guns/open gun cases?
All comments for information only. Do not take anything as legal advice--if you have a legal issue, contact a lawyer directly so that you can received advice tailored to your situation. All views expressed are solely those of the creator. Note that these videos cover Canadian law.
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Also worth noting: Do NOT lie to the police. Refusing to answer a question is fine, and protected by the Charter in almost every circumstance (call a lawyer). But lying to the police is an offence (obstructing a peace officer), and will ruin your day.
Solid advice, thank you!
The first words out my mouth when asked a question from a police officer is, "Am I being detained"?
@TrueAnarchy You're god damn Right!
@TrueAnarchy the prick pierre elliot turdeau took that right 40 years ago
Lying about anything to police is a bad idea. They can often hit you with criminal charges for it--regardless about whether it's about a gun--and even if not, lying to the officer will make your situation worse.
Officers incapable of telling the difference between a snap cap and a live cartridge shouldn't be carrying a firearm.
@@douganderson7002 it is part of the Canadian restricted fire arms safety course to handle load and unload all types of actions including revolvers and semi automatics, as is identifying inert and live ammunition
andrew harley true, and it’s worth noting they receive the equivalent of the CFSC AND CRFSC at depot or whatever police academy although they are not granted a license. It’s just a part of the firearms familiarization and safety training component.
Right on.
@@TheWolfsnack Doesn't surprise me.
@@AHarley18 Unfortunately, law enforcement officers don't require either the safety course or a PAL/RPAL to carry a service firearm. How ironic that they should be in charge of enforcing gun safety regulations.
My RPAL course was taught by a retired Police officer. He was adamant that we should never tell an officer that we are transporting firearms (in the context you describe). His reasoning was that most officers have very little or cursory at best, knowledge of the firearms regulations pertaining to their transport.
I had a situation when I was 18 where I was walking home from the range with 1) a rifle in a cloth back with the bolt removed and 2) a registered revolver, with a trigger lock in a locked case with the paperwork and the case inside a gym bag.
The police drove by, pulled a U-turn and nearly hit me when pulling to the shoulder. She demanded what I was doing with a "shotgun" on HER streets. I explained what I had and why and that it was perfectly legal. She demanded my FAC (current at the time). She asked what was in the bag. When I explained, she demanded to see it, I refused as I was outside both the range and my residence. "Put it on the back seat and open it up." I kept refusing for the reasons stated above and that I could lose my permit and firearm. I offered to open it for her IF she transported me to either the range or home. She jumped on the radio with her supervisor and after a brief exchange, she broke contact and sent me on my way with a warning that she better not see me on HER streets with a SHOTGUN again! Sorry, lady, I was within the law. I may have still been a teenager and she would have been pushing 40 or older, but I knew my firearms law better than she did and used that to my advantage in the situation.
@@Marlboro65 And you were 18 ?
Ian Runkle is a great Canadian. We at our heart should be a country of principles and morals, and he is a great defender of those principles.
Well said 👌, wish the algorithm had suggested him sooner, it was exactly what I'd been searching around youtube, for over a year
I went through a DUI check stop with my shotgun in the backseat (unloaded with the action open). The cops freaked out and grabbed it it without asking me. The cop went on and on about how it was illegal to have a firearm in my vehicle in town and that I needed to have it locked etc. I just said that as long as it was unloaded and I was present in the vehicle I didn't need to lock it. He then said "good thing we are doing a DUI checkpoint and don't have time to charge you with this. " The thing is that if I was actually breaking the law he would have charged me because firearm charges are considered to be very serious.
DUI inspections are the sole purpose for DUI's only ....if they do other than that you should file a complaint !
a police officer said that even if you had no seatbelt they can not ticket you for a seatbelt infraction ...this is right out of the mouth of a recently retired officer !
Lol way to potentially take one for the team, we need all the precedent we can get. Jokes aside though that could've been very expensive, at least throw a blanket on it jesus 🤣
Same rule here, as long as it is in your possession, unloaded you do not require it to be encased.
@@DLN-ix6vf don’t be pretentious. The transportation law for non restricted is clear. As long as you’re in the vehicle the only thing you have to do is to have the gun unloaded.
Nothing more nothing else.
@@DLN-ix6vf well I’m following the law by the dot on this mindset. If you wanna go ahead and add more steps for transporting your firearms you can do that, just don’t go out calling people names because of your own decisions.
In short: The police are NOT your friends. Don't trust them. Don't assist them. They're out to get you. But at the same time, don't OBSTRUCT them.
I have some very close friends who are police, but even they tell me police are not my friends. Having friends who aren't your friends is all very confusing 😁
I look at it that they aren't out to get me, they are out to find breaches of the law, no matter who it is. It isn't personal, it is their job. Off the clock, many cops overlook minor infractions, like a bottle of 'shine at a party, or a Cuban cigar, but, not a major issue like coke or an illegal firearm.
They are people, and just like all of us, they have a job to do; unfortunately, that job is catching us doing something wrong and they have to assume everyone is lying, since most do, which is why they try to trip you up with conversation.
@@lelandlewis7207 You know, the difference is good cops look to make the community better, and often a verbal warning or a flash of the red and blues ("if I was a dick you'd be getting a ticket right now"... I got red and blued on a section of highway where I thought it was safe to speed and I haven't sped there since, no ticket required!) is enough to accomplish the goal, but some (and this certainly isn't the majority, just enough to blemish the reputation) get off on catching you with your pants down. I have no problem with tickets or charges being given if that's what it takes to change the culture of a community, but usually, relationship building is far more effective.
In other words make police your friends because they are more likely to say that I gave you that advice so I'm fine with that
@Willy yes, they were illegal under the original sanctions during the Cold War under the "Trading With the Enemy Act". President Obama eased restrictions working toward renewed relations, but Trump tightened restrictions in 2020, including Cuban alcohol and tobacco for personal use.
Never ever volunteer information to a cop, it will only ever be used to negatively affect your life.
Punchline of the year "Preserve your rights". If I've seen anything this year it's that in Canada you have the right to do what you're told.
Unless you're a liberal party member
@@darrensaltiel440 whaaat! Theyre licking boots like its going out of style. Tneyre all,the same red tory and their orange pals plus blue tory
The one that gets me is "do you have any weapons on you" when its hunting season.
No officer, just my hunting tools.
Makes me cringe at the whole system.
"Anything that is coming out of your mouth is worsening your situation." and "If your mouth is moving, your situation is getting worse."
Words to remember and live by. Thank you for that, Mr. Runkle.
100%
My Dad was a retired Police Supervisor. He always told me to keep my mouth shut, but be respectful.
Geez, remember when we used to hang our guns in the back window of the pickup truck. That would pretty much bring down a swat team these days.
I remember that as a kid back in the 70's when was that banned?
@@seap9570 It wasn't. Police asked that we not do it because it scares people...Also, somehow the onus got shifted onto victims, that when we get robbed it's because we "advertised them" in the back of our vehicle, or "didn't lock our doors": it's a little like the "showed too much skin so she got raped" argument, instead of blame being placed squarely at the feet of the poor disenfranchised criminal who didn't get enough of mommy's love.
Sorry for the rant, but yes so long as it's a non-restricted it's completely legal, but you can count on getting asked repeatedly not to do it.
@@wilfdarr So true, in theory if your shotgun or riffle is unloaded, you would even be legal to put it over your shoulder and walk the street... Good luck trying to exercise this legal right... 😀😀😀
Wilfred Darr from the “Act”... “(2) Subject to subsection (3), an individual may transport a non-restricted firearm in an unattended vehicle only if
(a) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the non-restricted firearm is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked; and
(b) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the non-restricted firearm is not visible from outside the vehicle and the vehicle, or the part that contains the non-restricted firearm, is securely locked.”
@@mikpopiel473
That's the beauty of nonsense in our laws: "transport a non-restricted firearm in an unattended vehicle"
If one uses the logic, those words contradict themselves...
But hey, this is not that bad, there are even worse definitions in our laws!
As an American living in a relatively gun-friendly state Oklahoma, what you describe as the law is very chilling. We may be facing similar laws nationwide sooner than many people believe. I have watched several of your firearms law videos, and it appears that Canadian gun laws are far more draconian than those of gun-hating states like New York, New Jersey or California
They are, don’t give them an inch, they’re coming for all firearms.
The government here has conned Canadians into believing owning a firearm is a privledge not a right. When did this happen there were virtually no gun laws until the late 1800s early 1900s. All these laws are constructs of government many passed without the approval of the citizens. Trudeau has been passing laws, bans and penalties even jail time all passed on zero evidence, zero proof it was required and circumvented our democratic process by using a OIC. Our present liberal government is one of the most corrupt governments we have ever seen, so unless the officer has a document , search warrent, the answer is NO. If he chooses to ignore our rights and forcibly takes our guns then time to sue.
@@CommieCrusher87 yup and the liberal politician will have everyone believe it’s legal gun owners fault that crime exists. Trudeau banned handguns and wants to bang on doors collecting them. Liberals would give up every freedom to be protected themselves from thinking
at least I don't want canada to have the nightmare gun culture that the us has
Yes, please remain in Canada@@mapofthesoultagme7143
Probably should add that there's a big difference between not answering, and lying. Don't lie.
Very much this--hmm, if I missed that, I'll pin a comment.
@@RunkleOfTheBailey Now, if the cop breaks into my $400 case, and the search is found to be without merit, then I'm sure I have grounds to sue the officer for the price/value of the case, and punitive damages?
That'll depend on circumstances, but in most cases it's not worth it.
@@RunkleOfTheBailey That's a shame. That means the cop isn't really accountable if he decides to crowbar your truck open, and smash your heirloom oak veneer coated cedar and felt lined case. I guess a burlap sack and a zip-tie is the best thing. ;)
@@RunkleOfTheBailey I feel like a making a point to right a wrong doing, can be worth it on it's own.
I'd love for you to go over the legal implications of truck guns. Transportation vs storage of non restricted in vehicles. It's always been somthing of a grey area to my understanding.
Thanks for the solid information. I definitely used to be the “I’m not doing anything wrong, so I’ll comply with anything.” If I happened to be in a situation like that. But I’ve changed my perspective now.
Back in about 2000 I took the firearms PAL test with a friend and a police officer was there doing the same. In talking to him he stated that he hadn't studied as he was very familiar with the subject. We studied and practiced extensively. He barely passed ... my friend and I passed in the high 90's percentile.
In my firearms training we were told to tell the cop he knows it’s illegal to open that case at the side of the road so if he wants to see what’s inside he has to follow you back to the gun range to open the case .....
That is what I was told too.
@Me. Me They're assuming it's a restricted gun in the case, in which case it's illegal. If it's a non-restricted, then you are correct that it wouldn't be illegal to open the case.
Thank you for pointing this discrepancy out because I was thinking about using this answer, but since I only have a PAL (not R-PAL), telling the officer that it's illegal to open the case would insinuate that I have restricted weapons with only a PAL, which would make for an...shall we say "interesting" conversation...
@@wilfdarr Thats what I hear, do not open a legal case. The other thing the range officer said was if the police wants to see it, refuse on those grounds but offer to call the CFO's office to get their opinion on the matter.
@@wilfdarr I have RPAL and my restricted is unloaded with a trigger lock in a locked case when I transport. Also when home it goes In the safe just the same .... I also carry my non restricted in a case the same as my restricted. Of a cop looks at that he’s going to have to bust through the case or cut the locks off which shows I haven’t given consent. It’s safer anyway to treat your non restricted as restricted when your transport, in my opinion.
@@SwordofRagnar I suppose the standard answer of "I'm sorry but before I consent to anything, I'll have to consult with my LAWYER" would not be inappropriate here.
THANK YOU,finally some great canadian advice.As an outdoorsman we have firearms and knives, there is so many grey areas in our laws regarding above mentioned it is very confusing. I really want to thank you for having this channel it is so important that we can get this information in a well presented form that we can understand!!!!
Thank you so very much for empowering your viewers with valuable information.
The legal system is such a difficult road to navigate!
Respectfully, sir, I decline to answer that question. Seems like a reasonable response to me.
Yep, an excellent answer.
Sorry pal I can't hear you I'm deaf. works better.
@@pistooli1 Only if you are deaf and did not hear them.
I think it triggers on your drivers license if you have a PAL
@@ladyluck5248 Yes it does also if it is a RPAL for restricted weapons'
This video is perfect. Legal knowledge and an adorable puppy that made me smile. I couldn't ask for more.
funny, missed the puppy while I scrolled down to read the comments
then I hear that goofy scratch scratch sound
scroll back up
and there's the dog
Puppy: two empty dishes!...the horror...the horror.
I have on several occasions been asked this question. My response has always been; “why do you ask?”. And before they have a chance to answer, I take the conversation in a different direction. I have yet had a LEO follow through and look through my vehicle or check my firearms. I did not lie.
Absolutely!
The best response to a question we do not wish to answer is often:
“Why do you want to know that?”.
RUclips is loaded with advance about firearms and what is and isn't legal. Your videos are some of the very few that explain why you should do or say different things. I'm living in the constitutional carry state of Arizona and I do carry most of the time when away from home or driving. We don't have to inform officers we have firearms but I myself and others I know will inform officers we have weapons so it doesn't appear we are reaching for them when removing our license and I have never had an issue with it. I do appreciate your information about letting them break into the gun case and explaining the reason for it. I know gun control is different in Canada but many of your videos explain how small interpretations of laws can make or break you regardless of what side of the border your on.
Say, can the police in AZ know if you have a CCW permit when they run your car tag? BTW, love Scottsdale, Camelback Mountain! lol
@@mmpiforall5913 I know in the 90s oregon knew but I haven't had a need for ccw in Arizona. We can carry with out almost everywhere. But areas such as indian reservation laws are all over the place so as a rule I avoid reservation if I'm carrying.
I am really appreciating your videos on firearms related law in Canada. It is definitely helping me better understand our legal system, and how to navigate it even MORE carefully as a law abiding gun owner. God knows it's hard enough as it is.
It's so good to see some Canadian advise on our complex gun laws that are easily interpreted to suit the situation. Knowledge is power. Thank you
It occurs to me, that in the case of a restricted firearm, opening the case while in between the range and home, would immediately be a felony. So even if the cop was just curious, the moment you open the case, it's not longer being transported legally.
Well said
If they ever want to see a firearm I tell them just that here's my keys . You break the law officer ill be sure to tell the crown you did just that . 😉
As a prospective gun owner, (pal in process) this channel has been a godsend for the unholy amount of logic puzzles involved with modern law😂
I once got pulled over doing 118kmh in a 90 on a highway in orillia ON, I had a bolt action rifle in the back seat. They cop pulled me over and asked for my registration and insurance and license. I gave my license and was having a hard time finding my registration. I told him I had a rifle in the back seat as it was in plain sight and a matter of time before he saw it on his own. He was really cool abt it and asked me where I was headed, and for my license, to which I explained I was headed home after an unsuccessful bear hunt. After checking my pal He asked what caliber it was because he was curious I said .30-06, he then asked if that was enough for black bear to which I responded “OH ya, plenty.” He said cool. He didn’t run my drivers license, nor my registration and he didn’t even look at my insurance, he let me go with no warning just said “try to slow down” in recap, some cops are cool, some are not, they more you are cool with them they more they are inclined to be cool with you. If I were you I’d keep your guns in the trunk so that in the event you get pulled over everything is out of sight.
"Am I being detained"? yes, then I respectfully request a lawyer Officer ________. No, thank you officer have a good day.
Ian, thank you very much for this information. Peaceful gun enthusiasts such as myself need to know how to navigate the grey area that has been thrown at us by our federal government. I like how you use examples as well. -James Walper, Libertarian Party of Canada
Well said.
Definitely appreciate this popping up in my feed 👌 .. Because I sadly know more about American laws than I do Canadian ones 😬 knowledge is power 😎
There's so much more info available to them. Mr Runkle is much needed in our country!
thank you for all the information. It is great to get these laws easier to understand. Thank you
Great videos and advice Ian. I have just found your RUclips channel this past week and greatly appreciate your content and advice. Thanks for the great work!!
Thanks so much for doing your videos! They are always very informative and we really like watching them!
So well done. I'm the type to comply I have nothing to hide, but your arguments win the day.
Really like that you are helping everyone out by releasing your videos. I believe that I might have heard you speak in person once before. I really appreciate the info and advice that you give. Thank You!!!
Thanks a Trillion with a "T" for shedding light and the education/knowledge in this regard. Liked and subscribed.
Great video and very valuable info.
Thanks for your time.
all you say is "I do not talk to police unless in the presence of my lawyer"
Thanks Ian. You do great work. This was good clarification. Love the pups.
"Good day, sir."
"I HAVE A GUN!"
@Pat Baringer it didn't work out for Philando Castile. Not volunteering information he was under no obligation to provide would have kept him from an early grave.
@@ironymatt actually I beleave he had a CC and at an interaction with an officer while your carrying you are obligated at the begining of the interaction to notify the officer of that, my recolection is that he did, but then did not follow instructions of thhe officer and thats what got him shot. without going back on all the articles I think that is what happened there..little different south of the border.
@@alexthenandnow6565 ah, I didn't realize that, it certainly changes things. From what I read he was complying, but when he informed the officer the officer reacted as if by informing him he was threatening him. According to the girlfriend Castillo was calm and neutral in his statements but the cop just lost it, and I think there was dashcam(cop) footage that essentially backed that up.
When I heard about it I looked at a few different accounts and I didn't see anything that differed much, but there didn't seem to be anything else to explain the officer's actions.
Good information and well presented. Thanks.
Was told to call before leaving with firearms in my vehicle but in Canada we are treated like criminals when you have PAL but yea never trust a cop never
Really appreciate the info Ian. Good job brother. 👌🏻😎🇨🇦
Thanks kindly for this as it was most informative.
I find your advices very useful.Thank you
Always educational Thank you for your time.
Ouch. When I was studying teachers told us to provide as much as possible information to police when they stoped you. But I see that it was an absolutely wrong advise.
Maybe your course instructors were ex cops and thus unaware of how things have changed.
It used to be that, so long as you weren't a bad guy or a member of a minority group, the police used common sense.
Now they're just savage and angry and have to get arrests to get promoted, and even honest citizens making honest mistakes have their lives ruined.
@@kirstinmorrell sounds about right honestly.
@@kirstinmorrell Not bad guy, but law enforcement and governments use the word "bad guy", "terrorism" as psychological warfare I assume.
@@secretprotagonist6241 yeah, I was using that with a bit of irony. I agree with you about the boogeyman of terrorism and pigeonholing people as bad guys.
great insight here Mr. Runkle. 🤗. cheers.
Here's what makes me laugh about certain gun owners in Canada based on my experience. There is a certain type of gun owner out there that likes to cozy up to the police, parallel themselves with the police. In fact there is a Canadian youtuber that promotes such behavior. Gun owners are not cops and most cops don't give crap about guns during the course of their duties. Gun owners mind your own business.
Canada is a different beast than the states, with a different culture. Cops get crap training (and they know it) so they don't typically (typically being the operative word of course: there's bad ones in every box) have the superiority complex. They really are equal members of our gun clubs.
That's not to say you should trust them: when you're at a stop you don't know who you're getting and there are some real shit heads, so treat them all as suspect until you get to know them well.
Ditto with the long range guys from the military side: they'll never share anything on the internet for opsec reasons, but once they know you they'll help you out in every way they can.
Thanks for the information, its important that people know what their rights are. If you are stopped by the police late at night or on a holiday or weekend, and can't get your lawyer on the phone, what do you do then.
Good evening tonight I was directed to your channel and I must say this is awesome information. More people need to see your channel. I just watched this episode. You did mention that fish and wildlife have more athortie then RCMP. I and I am sure many more would like to see a short video on what more athortie do Fish and wildlife have and what we need to know.
Thank you good sir
Excellent vid as always. Would you be able to offer a list of firearms lawyers available to Canadians, say by province/territory? I wager more will be needed especially with current political proceedings going on.
Not really able to offer a certified list--at least at this point--when I recommend someone for firearms files, I pretty much want to talk to them or review their work so that I know they know the subject matter. It's a complicated subject area with a lot of specialized law, and it's an easy area to get in trouble on if you get things wrong.
I only know a few names, from the 'net. Solomon Friedman, Jordana Goldlist, Pierre Plourde. And Mr. Runkle, of course.
If you are a member of a gun club they can probably recommend one. The Canadian Sports Shooting Association has a link to them cssa-cila.org/firearm-legal-defence-insurance/
Thank you for your time and information.😁
I really appreciate your content. Thank you
Just liked shared 7 times and subscribed, thanks for the great information
Thank you. Very good information/ammo...
i am glad you said not including a fish and game officer, because that is a totally different story, they have the power to search any thing with out awarrant, your stopped by a fish and game officer and he she asks you to open the action of your fire arm/s, you best do so, or you can be charged, it is clearly stated in the hunting regs
I don't think there is any law that compels you to help or participate in a search of your property. If they want to search , I won't try to stop them or help them in any way.
Thank you! Will be passing your videos on!
Much appreciated.
Jesus Christ he says hope your armed with info and then has a dogvideo mike drop... Subbed my man
Mr. Runkle, firstly, I just discovered your channel and what excellent content I found. Thanks.
It's not clear to me from this video whether I am supposed to open any firearms transport cases at the side of the road if, not asked, rather ordered to by a police officer. Aren't I opening myself up to a Firearms Act charge if I do open the cases? That is, foregoing for the moment my Charter right regarding unreasonable search & seizure and the cost of the transport cases should I not comply. If I do not comply, may I not then be arrested and charged with one of several other charges?
Thank you for making these videos
Thank you sir. Armed with knowledge.
As Ian mentions, provincial regs are another matter.
In New Brunswick, as an example, you’ve no choice when a CO asks to inspect firearms…in plain view.
That being said, the CO has to first see firearms and you’re under no legal obligation to respond when asked whether there are arms in the conveyance.
And, remember, the sight of gun case is not evidence of a firearm. It’s evidence only of a gun case.
Where this gets interesting is if and when police officers are also named de facto COs. They then have the same authority afforded by s.11.1
Just remember, no LEO can demand to inspect what they cannot see.
From the Act:
• Powers as peace officers
11Every conservation officer in carrying out his duties under this Act and the regulations has and may exercise all the powers, authorities and immunities of a peace officer as defined in the Criminal Code, chapter C-34 of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1970.
2004, c.12, s.9
• Power to inspect firearms and ammunition
11.1A conservation officer, for the purpose of ensuring compliance with this Act and the regulations, may inspect any firearm or ammunition in a person’s possession in a resort of wildlife.
2001, c.18, s.2; 2004, c.12, s.10
very clear & informative, nice job
Glad it was helpful!
Very appreciated the videos!
Under the new driving laws though, they have GIVEN them the power to search on the grounds of impairment? Then they have access to your vehicle.
Would they not have to prove you're impaired first, before implementing a search based on such?
@@Perry_Wolf not in Canada now. They may request breath sample at any time. If you refuse you are charged.
@@williamblaney3316 - Sorry, but refusing a breath sample is illegal and therefore _would_ be the "grounds of impairment" and give them the right to search/investigate the car. But what I'm implying is they'd have to request a breath sample before moving forward because they must prove you're impaired first by your either refusing to blow or blowing positive. If you blow clean, they have no grounds to search/investigate your vehicle/firearms from that point forward. If you refuse to blow or blow above the legal limit, well, you done f#%$ed up.
Yup, rule number 1 , don’t lie, rule number 2, don’t be a smart ass!!! Rule number 3 , have your firearms locked , in a proper case, ammo hidden sum what, rifle cases covered up, blanket works great! & living in crime city of Canada, N. B. SK. The LEO’s always ask when stopped, Do you have any weapons on you or in your vehicle? Cuts through to the chase, makes the traffic stop much better& faster, ( & safer for both parties) then your on your way!!🤙
Great tips thank you
Absolutely good information. I always wondered that my self. It the mnr or game warden is different all together as far as I know
Sir, thanks again for the great video !!!!!!
great video, thank you!
Officer - “do you have an guns in the vehicle?”
Answer - “is that relevant to this stop, sir?”
Answer - "I'm not answering any questions today sir"
@@slothhikersofalberta7056 To each their own… but I prefer the less arrogant approach! It tends to work for me
The less you say, the better.
Anything you say can and will be held against you.
@@slothhikersofalberta7056 yes, but that doesn’t mean to be silent or rude to them. It is possible to speak and not answer questions ( I learned that from my ex who can talk all day long and not say a damn thing 🤣)
If you start off with “ i’m sorry but I don’t answer questions” and then clam up or keep repeating that statement then you come across as an arrogant prick. But if you’re civil, most likely the cop will be too! I know some cops are just pricks.
I’m not the type to assume all cops pricks just because of a few… just like I don’t assume you’re an idiot just because I have encountered other idiots in the comments 🤣
Every situation is different.
@@TheOverproof151 if you arent smart enough to know the difference between advice and opinion, Im guessing you have been told that mirror line before 🤣 thats ok… you’ll grow up soon, Princess 😢
Seems like no matter the answer, it will cost you. Whether it be a lawyer, an additional ticket, or giving the full extent of what they're pulling you over for.
Thanks for doing this video.
Thanks, Ian. My guns would be in the trunk. My guns would be transported in the appropriate manner. They are not a concern to them or anyone else.
I'd love to see one of these videos done for interacting with a MNR officer.
Just flipping through some older vids,,,wow short hair. Didn't really realize over the years lol. Cheers sir,great vids.
The smirk on your face after you made the "I hope you were armed with some knowledge". haha.
One reason for snap-caps.
Years ago I had a 1960's SxS hammered 12guage that cocked on closing.
I would keep two lightly oiled snap-caps in it so I could 'drop the hammers' when I put it in storage.
I didn't want to store it longterm cocked.
Great video.
Say if you’re coming back from the range and are pulled over by the police;
As per your video, when asked you make the “mistake” of telling the police officer that you have legally owned guns in the car. Question: Does the police officer now have the “right” or “probable cause” to search your vehicle, and do have to let them see your firearms?
Keep the videos coming.
An admission of being in possession of arms, while foolish, is not evidence of a crime having been committed. LEO requires R&PG to believe in order to conduct a search.
If you choose to continue talking, you’re likely to provide what he lacks.
Thank you for the reminder
For Canada.
As long as in your personal vehicle you carry a NR firearm, unloaded, ammo anywhere else around or on you, valid PAL, NR firearm not visible from outside, vehicle fully locked when unattended (that makes sense with or w/o a firearm inside!), do not have to worry about anything firearm-related issues!
I live in Toronto (the largest Canadian city with most shootings and homicides each and every year!)) and carry daily my legally-owned Mossberg 590 Shockwave with #00 buckshot ammo exclusively for personal self-defense!
CCFR's firearms legal defense insurance is a pretty safe investment too!
Nice sg my friend I have a Mosberg 500.
With respect to restricted Firearms, my understanding was that it was it illegal to open a case at the roadside because you're then breaking a law and the officer can't ask you to break the law by asking you to open the case
My instructor told us if the guy wants to open the case let him break it open but don't open it for him because then you could be charged technically if you do
Only in Canada
Correct.
Unfortunately the defense of "officially induced error" is not available to you in the Criminal Code context but I'll let Runkle confirm.
An OPP friend of mine told me that if you are wearing camo or they are hunting gear they then act under the Ontario hunting regulations and search your car anyway if they feel the need.
Thank you mr Runkle
well done and again thank you so much... shared
Much appreciated!
Now you changed my whole thinking when going home from the gun range.
As much as the rule on direct routes is annoying, it is for this reason that it is so important. Drive the speed limit, do ALL the traffic things correctly AND get the hell home and unload ALL firearms related items. (Ammo, mags, stripper clips, guns, etc...) After that, THEN go off and do errands. There is no need to open the door to unwanted opportunities.
That's I do. Not sure where you live, but living in the GTA with all these snowflake around you, I feel guilty just going to the range.
@@JasonPrice1 a big 10-4 to that!!!
@@JasonPrice1 no direct route rules with non restricted firearms. I carry my guns with no cases into the trunk of my car with loaded mags in the trunk and drive wherever the I like and then do the same when I get home and into the safe they go.
Is the snapcap and spent brass thing really threw me off thanks for sharing that tibbit
Thank you . Very important video while our gun laws are changing abruptly.
I can see the casing charge they will say you may have discharged the firearm form the vehicle I had a spent shell casing stuck in my 410 I couldn't get out in the field so I split the action and put the barrel in the trunk with the stock under a coat in the back seat after getting home I used a wooden dowel to remove it. The Snapcap one seems mind blowing in that sinaro I hope that cop was made to look a fool. Often it's with older guns its important to use a snapcap to protect the firing pin from dryfiring to stow decocked I never thought for second that a dummy round could be used to consider the gun loaded.
Your video's are very good, thanks for doing this.
Thank you!
@@RunkleOfTheBailey Yes,. Thank you for doing these videos...very informative
Thanks, Ian.
If the issue doesn't come up, there's no reason to bring it up. If it does, coorperating to the extent the officer requests has resulted in the least pain in the ass, in my experience. I have never had a problem explaining to an officer what I was doing, why I was doing it, and why a reasonable person would do the same thing. Applying that principle to everything in advance has been far more important than nitpicking after the fact. Dorky nitpicking is best to do in advance, lock everything up as it should be. Decide why it is where it is before you put it there. Know your rights and behave as if you are exercising them legally.
Every criminal charge starts with an officer deciding one is necessary. In every case you have the option to pre-empt that. If your actions are reasonable and the officer agrees, you will not be charged. Even if the letter of the law states you should be, both the common law and common sense dictate that no one breaks the law who acts as a reasonable person would in a given situation. Common sense, in the sense that all you need to do is convince the officer in question that your actions were reasonable. This has worked for me every time I've tried it, including the times I openly admitted committing criminal acts in a reasonable fashion. Once the case reaches the Crown it is subject to multiple layers of oversight. At the roadside with a single cop, it can still not have happened.
Instead of telling people to shut up and call someone who can talk like you, you ought to tell them how to talk in the first place. That's how you stop charges before they start.
Great video thank you ! Cute puppy 🐶
Thank you sir
If he wants to see it tell him to follow you to the range where you will get it out.
Your dog at the end is like me looking through my wallet after my lawyer bills