Can You Keep A Gun In Your Truck (or Trunk)? A Lawyer Explains R. v. Federuik
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Police: when in doubt, lay every charge you can think of and let a judge figure it out later
"Locks will only keep an honest man out."
my grandfather
I know how to pick a Lock, a trigger lock only takes seconds to pick.
Same with gun laws.
Dad has said that many times.
@@EdwinDueck Or a drill and drill bit.
It's impossible to create something that cannot be broken into. That's why the law expects a person to make a reasonable effort to secure the firearm. Were they right or wrong in the case of a gun being secured in a vehicle? I'm not qualified to answer that. The one thing I would say is that they didn't say you can't store a gun in a vehicle, they just said you have to do it in a manner that the gun is reasonably secured.
I can appreciate Ian becoming a judge.
A damn good one at that
1000 percent. And being the new prime minister.
I love to see him called to the bench!
Governer General?
he will need to cut his hair in a bowl shape , and call himself Ringo Runkle!
Sounds to me like this is one of the scenarios where the police applied every charge they feasibly can out of spite due to personal feelings of just being irritated with the person who is being detained.
110% correct on that call.
you dont even need to be irritating for them to throw everything they can at you
Yeh, punk cops!!!
any organization that makes someone take an oath is evil
I like how they state "she wasn't making any sense", then some how they understand her say there is a gun in the vehicle.
Obviously from the report they knew about a firearm and would ask, or just assume and snoop when she couldn't see in the vehicle, then take the keys from a drunk and voila.
"By the time the police arrived at 9:40pm, the defendant had left."
Just minutes away...
Back in 2017, when BC was on fire and evacuations were being ordered, I was under alert. I was packing things to get ready to go, and was curious about my guns… I was curious enough to call the CFO to ask if I were legally aloud to store my long guns in my vehicle, as ALL of my valuables would be in my vehicle IF the time came to be evacuated… I was told that a vehicle IS a legit storage unit… providing the guns were unloaded (obviously) locked and were out of sight.
When I travel, if I plan to leave the vehicle at all, I use a cable lock to lock the gun cases TO the vehicle. Thats not so much for legal reason, as much as it is that I cant afford to replace them!! Sometimes I stay in a hotel, cant always take guns into my room!!
I always bring them into the room, one time we had like 7 rifles in cases hanging from the trolley/cart to get them all to the room. Nobody said a word as they shouldnt have. People out in the open aren't the problem, it's the crazy ones and thankfully that's so extremely rare in Canada still.
@@michaelronneseth801Getting less so by the day.
@@moehoward01 remove gang related shootings, I'm going to say it's still exceedingly rare in Canada.. What 3 mass shootings in 30 years? More people died today in my hometown from overdose... We need to keep things into perspective. Bar Far, the largest threat to Canadians are drugs, followed by lack of healthcare.
Do all of Canadas laws boil down to depends what mood the judge is in?
Show me a trial that isnt
Absolutely and don't get me going about family court.
Pretty much.
Runkle for Judgeship!!!
Fuck that shit, maybe we would be better off if he were dictator though. Canada is a dictatorship but maybe we'd be better off with a thoughtful one.
Rooms have windows. The argument that a car isn't secure because one could simply break a window could also apply to certain rooms, yet a locking room is acceptable?
Pretty sure "a securely locked room constructed for the purpose of storage of firearms" has a expectation of a closet or other windowless room..... But that could be another "interesting legal argument"
The regulations: "stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into."
Reasonable to infer this means there are no windows, unless they're made of something most of us can't afford. This also applies to displaying firearms, with the additional caveat of being rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device.
So, no, a locking room with regular windows is definitely NOT acceptable.
@@XXXX-yc6wv that's kinda how I understand it... But Canadian laws are fucked. Firearm law moreso
@@craigquann by the standard for what constitutes a safe, anything with un-obstructed windows is out of the question.
@@XXXX-yc6wv If you listen to what he says at 24:20 the judge pretty much contradicts written law.. in the Supreme Court i think you could use that and overturn this decision
I find the defendant’s burrito argument compelling, and delicious .
So if all she did was slap a trigger lock on the rifle, it would have met storage requirements AND it would have been magically safe from theft and all the mayhem the judge says might have happened?
No as the ammo was still readily accessible, if she had removed the bolt or popped on a trigger lock and locked up the ammo in the glovebox or removed it from the vehicle then you would be correct
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 provided this judge could be convinced a glove box is a "container" (rolling eyes a bit)
@@mikekovacs8981 You have a better shot I guess but you are right. It would show you had every intention of complying with the regulations probably resulting in winning an appeal
@@mikekovacs8981 but a backpack is a legal container to transport fire arms in..
Aren't Canada's gun laws wonderful. Every issue is ambiguous allowing the judges to do whatever they choose. There can be very different rulings depending whether the judge is a hunter or sport shooter or if they are anti-gun. I think that if the person in question hadn't of gotten drunk and abusive there would never been any charges. This may also be ambiguous depending on one's affinity to scotch. Thanks again Ian for shedding light on these issues.
Sadly, but 1000% true...
The only moral position is Absolute Private Property Rights, all the way down to self-ownership. No one has the right to aggress upon peaceable people and their property-I don’t give a damn what Parliament says. Parliament is literally a den of criminals who aggress on peaceable people all the time. They are the criminal class (along with their black robed Kritarchs)
If the person wasn't drunk the cops would never have been called to begin with... Dot your i's and cross your t's if you have firearms around and decide to make a stink while drunk... Furthermore, being that intoxicated and belligerent, uttering threats, etc could well get your license revoked on top of it.
This is my rifle, this is my gun. One is for fighting, one is for fun.
In this country it doesn't matter how good you try to store your firearms the courts are still gonna get you for some BS reason.
The Crown Prosecutor and the corrupt cops TRIED to get me, but they didn't. It did however, suck 3 years out of my life defending myself in court. F them.
I have been told by the RCMP that you can secure a firearm in a locked vehicle. The question arose when I became aware of an individual who was living the 'Van Life' and also owned firearms. This person has no fixed address or residence and keeps multiple firearms in his van. RCMP said it was lawful.
I think this video is more important than you know. How many of us keep a gun in the vehicle at all times for the unplanned range trip on the way home from work under the "transport" rules. Thank you for clarification, and keeping us compliant.
How many people actually do that, it just seems like a bad idea
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 I'm always compliant. But spend 20mins on the ccfr Facebook page and you will quickly realize that just because you have a pal does not mean you know the law. Thus making this video very important.
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 in rural areas its quite common for people to have "truck guns"
@@RespectableRSYt That isn't what the original comment is about.
@@matthewkulhawy864 Alright ignore the question
Ian, it needs to be said; your videos do more than just arm us with knowledge. The base level is that they serve to remind us of our own situations, choices, and decisions; and thereby refine said personal decisions. Further, your videos serve as a reference and talking point with friends and fellow firearm enthousiasts. Ultimately, you are fast approaching the status of Gun Jesus (but with regards to the legal ramifications, rather than the technical details); your caveats and non-subtle subtle warnings and advices are sage and always welcomed...and at the end of the day makes us a better community.
P.s.: I agree that the judge likely fell short on their interpretation of storage. I can appreciate that they felt the defendant could have done better, but (assuming the vehicle was locked) it should have been considered that the firearm was secure, unloaded, and out of sight. Your analogy of the gas-station washroom was apt.
Not just enthusiasts. I've got no interest in firearms but got sucked in to learning about my country's laws about them because Ian's videos are great! 😁🍍
By this judges decision, every person that goes to the range with more than one firearm is likely guilty of an offence. If in an attempt to be safer and cleaner, you place a firearm that is "not in use" into your vehicle is it now stored? how about a 3gun match where a stage may not require all 3 firearms, you proceed to leave one firearm behind the firing line while shooting your stage. Is that firearm in storage? sounds more like the judge was upset by this persons terrible behavior and less concerned with a reasonable decision based on the actual charges presented.
Personally I think one positive is that they didn't say you can't store a firearm in a vehicle and that you can only transport it. In that case if you have a way to store the firearm in a way that complies with the law and doesn't rely on the vehicle as a container you are legally within your rights to do so, though you would have to get direct legal advice from someone like Runkie before doing so.
@@joer8854 Arguably, a repeat of this case could be averted from happening if you have a trigger lock on a gun or remove the bolt. Not the best case scenario, but.......
If you are shoveling your driveway and take a scraper, snow float and shovel out of the shed for the task, do you return each one to the shed for storage while using the other? The answer is obviously "no" because they are not in storage, they are in use and under your care and control.
If you have to ask, that means a politician stole your RIGHT to defend yourself. Have you seen what is happening in Australia? They gave up their guns.
I can't tell you how many times I've committed penal negligence.
While I appreciate the video on truck guns, I feel like I now have more questions than answers haha. It almost feels like the lines between use, transport, and storage are deliberately blurry to entrap owners in an expensive legal battle which most people would not be able to afford. Thanks for all the videos you make. It is quite enjoyable to get breakdowns of Canadian law, especially from someone who not only understands the legal perspective, but also the firearms owner's view. Keep up the great work.
The drunkenness prejudiced the court
likely
This is just another example of why case law needs to be thrown out as a concept. There are too many cases of "This should of been appealed" that end up making their way into case law that just end up hurting people.
The only case law that really should be looked at is things that have gone to supreme court and even then its sometimes good for those judges to take a sober second look at something they've ruled on in the past.
A car should be considered a storage area, due to the fact that if you go with a restricted to a shooting match Karma and cannot drive back home and stay at a motel. You must leave your restricted firearms in the car. It's illegal to take them into the motel!
Interesting, I haven't had anyone mention this type of scenario...
If expect the government to simply say: oh well, the whole reason why you have this restricted firearm, well you just can't go if it's not near your house.
According to the rcmp cfo you can store an unrestricted firearm in a pickup truck as long as 1. it is out of sight 2. Unloaded 3. Locked in some way (eg. Trigger lock, cable lock, or something of the sort)
For example I can mount my short barrel shotgun under the back seat of my pickup truck with a trigger lock and have ammunition in in a locked container in the truck. It would be out of sight and rendered unfireable unloaded with ammo separately locked for added security. Plus my doors are always locked.
What if you go on a hunting trip in an RV for a couple of weeks and have a shotgun for birds and a rifle for other game. If you take one out to walk on the woods, what is the status of the other gun in the RV... is it being stored or transported? It all sounds to complicated for an ordinary citizen to understand... or is that the idea?
Stored, basically if you're leaving it for a prolonged period of time it's stored. Whatever a reasonable person would consider stored
- but you can drink in a RV. Different rules.
A few months ago (June? July?) someone in BC, in response to questions about proposed gun legislation, admitted the laws and regulations were intentionally complicated so that no reasonable person could understand them and that it was impossible to be in full compliance with the law...there will always be something you can be charged with no matter how careful or diligent you are.
I'm no lawyer, but I would imagine it would be storage as an rv could be considered a dwelling
Hey Ian, I agree with you on the car being a container issue and of course it can be securely locked, if they couldn't be then the locks would serve no purpose. I think what the judge was getting at in why the drinking mattered was because it was a recreational activity and not something she had to necessarily do: as in, if she had the time to start drinking, or watch TV, or whatever, then she had the time to store the gun. If she was out hunting for a week and came home wiped and had to just go to bed immediately then I think the judge would have taken a different view of it since it might have been dangerous for her to unload the car at that point without resting first.
If they can't be sucured what would that do for our insurance at home or vehicle?
My house isn't securely locked because it has windows you can break.
all you need is a cordless reciprocating with a good blade and enough time...and you can cut through the exterior wall of most houses...so just how secure are most houses? lol
Alright so trigger locked in a trunk with locked ammo would be no issue unless some random judge decided it was careless.
I had a Honda Civic with the world's dustiest trunk and lived on a gravel road. I called the CFO about it and they told me I could have my restricted in the cab of the vehicle unloaded and out of drivers reach.
@@iam1smiley1 yes during transport that’s fine. Not storage in a vehicle.
Ian you always explain in simple common sense. You are the best. Thanks for what you do.
Doesn't the regulations state this specifically? That if firearms are left in a vehicle, it must be locked and out of sight?(trunk, under seat/covered?
Or does that all hinge in the requirement of "rendered inoperable" to be satisfied?
I had a rifle stolen out of a truck. No trigger lock on it, not in a case.. doors were locked and it was under a coat. I told them exactly that. Officers said I was in compliance with the law as I knew I was.
I'd like to hear your take on what might constitute transport vs. storage of a firearm for someone staying in a motor home. I've heard of this issue being brought up in the US, and the general consensus is that the cab is considered a vehicle, but the cabin or trailer portion is considered a dwelling. It also depends on whether you're currently driving it or if you're parked.
Ah, I see some other people in the comments have similar questions lol. I should read before I type.
What I need to know is if it's going to be trouble for someone who owns non restricted or restricted firear s to adopt a nomadic life, I plan to live year long in a rv.
I've had the same thought. Based on everything Runkle says here, I'd make sure my gun was trigger-locked or at very least in a locked cabinet...maybe immobilized with a cable or chain lock of some kind. What the cops REALLY don't want to see [IMHO] is that the gun is handy to shoot in any way until your vehicle is parked and becomes 'a residence'. [I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, etc].
Did the judge not realize houses have windows as well??
Thanks again for the great info Ian
No mention of the problems that can arise from taking your firearm out of your vehicle to carry it into a hotel. Some would not appreciate someone walking through a hotel with a riffle. And a criminal with intent would see this as an opportunity to steal that weapon as well. Thus making this more dangerous then leaving it locked in your car.
there are lots of kids in my neighborhood and I chose my times wisely to transfer from my car to house. I have no desire to upset my neighbors.
depends on the area the hotel i usually stay in i either have a ground floor direct access room or they are use to me doing so
I would have argued that the gun was wrapped in the bush, not the driveway, thus removing the “awareness of security”.
Remember, the law on storage is there to prevent you from accessing your arm in a timely manner, not to protect against theft. If it was theft deterrent a firearms safe in your home and an affixed, locked metal container for transport would be required.
I hope you do become a judge one day Ian. Canada needs someone like you on the bench.
In context of the requirements for secure storage of a firearm: "Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely," and “cannot readily be broken open or into" As the car can be readily broken into it doesn't qualify as secure storage. If it had been stored in a locked trunk, it may have been different, but there would likely be charges for improper storage of the ammunition. It's also probable the bolt hadn't been removed and there was no locking device on the firearm.
A vehicle can't be securely locked because you can break the window. Meanwhile a trigger lock is very safe and totally cannot be picked in 5 seconds by a guy on RUclips.
A lockpicking lawyer and Ian runkle crossover would be amazing lmao
I don't own a trigger lock that prevents me from pulling the trigger at least once. But it's legal 🤷
@@wilfdarr "The non-restricted firearm is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device".
If the trigger can be pulled once with the trigger lock still attached, then I would argue the firearm is not "inoperable" and it's therefore not legal storage.
@@burnyburnoutze2nd
And you can add DeviantOllam, as Ian mentioned him already...
The "killer" trio...
@@marc-andreservant201 And I can show you how to force every single trigger lock in existence. I've not found one that works as advertised.
All I can say is, Thank you for your videos! They are soo greatly appreciated!!
Always appreciated Mr Runkle
I so appreciate someone with some common sense. Very refreshing
"lock your valuables in your vehicle" said the police officer.
I live in a Travel Trailer full time, traveling, sometimes and stationary for extended periods of time. Currently I have my firearms, with trigger locks, and bolts removed (as possible) out of sight, in a locked case, in the back of my locked pickup truck. The truck has an alarm, so if anyone tries to get into the truck the alarm will sound. There is no ammo in the truck, and the removed bolts are stored in a locked container in the locked travel trailer. My question would be, ‘Is that considered safe storage, and have I taken reasonable steps to ensure safe storage?’ It is unfortunate that the laws governing this are somewhat vague, especially for a layman, who only wants enjoy the lawful use of their firearms. But at the same time does want to ensure the safe storage of their firearms.
I remember the days when all Dad's friends had pews in racks in their trucks or trunks, things were much different when I was a kid and the small town I grew up in is an unrecognizable city now.
The biggest reason I won't leave a pew in my truck is it's already a commonly stolen type and easy to get into I don't need the headache....
It seems like the judge penalized the defendant for being drunk and uncooperative.
The logic of a lawyer "priceless" lol. Bad burrito haha.
I house isn't that hard to break into either, apparently they want us storing firearms in fort knoxx.
You mean to say they don’t always acts and prove the firearm
I just spent the last Six months and $10,000 fighting this exact question, 1) no criminal offense, 2) no grounds/evidence for a revocation of firearms licence
In regards to public safety the means of containment of a dangerous object or substance should be proportional to the danger the object or substance could have. This applies to everything from firearms to chemicals.
A house containing a gun locker presents 2 physical barriers to acquisition by anyone other than the owner, and when we consider that the locker and house are not transparent and that the existence of the objects contained within aren't public knowledge, we can assume an added layer of security.
A vehicle is a poor choice for securing objects simply because it's accessible to anyone, offers visibility of its contents, and is often not being monitored.
I've personally made the mistake of allowing some random passerby to enjoy the contents of my truck, and all it cost was a $30 lock cylinder and some cupholder change.
Go it ! 👌
Main rule - don't eat burritos while you have guns in the car.
Great vid again. Here in Ohio you are never allowed to have a loaded long-gun accessible in the passenger compartment. You can have an unloaded rifle on the back seat, but then you need to put the bullets in some place inaccessible till you exit the vehicle (like a trunk). I have no idea how the law would handle a hatchback. For that matter many sedans have a means to access the trunk from the rear-seat area so ... The security issue seems muddled. Even a truck with a cover offers little security.
Recently most adults can carry a loaded handgun in a vehicle.
If I was the officer, I wouldn't test fire any random 303 without first doing a headspace check. Especially if it's a Lee Enfield. Nothing like a case rupture to wake you up
I always defer to the higher standard of transporting/storage. I trigger lock the gun(s) even during transportation. Then I'm OK even with an unforeseen stopover. I can understand the sentiment of those who wish to keep unemployed lawyers off the streets by balking on a $10 crappy tire trigger lock.
Same, my hubby had his gun taken by a cop during a traffic stop. I used my hunter training manual given to all new gun owners in my province to beat the case myself and got his gun back. I've done a lot of competition shooting and always locked everything to prevent more BS.
Yes you can as long as the bullets separate and firearm is not in visibility ....we take this when we do our pal . If you didn't already know this then you shouldn't have one .
It will be even more interesting when autonomous vehicles become a thing. In a case like this she could just have told her car to "go drive about for a while" until she was ready to call it home and remove the firearm from the vehicle. That would be transportation whereas at rest in the driveway is storage. The law isn't ready.
But you honour, my gun was stored! It was in my hidden compartment underneath the floor..
Isn’t a House just a container with glass windows which could also be broken at any time
Has there been any case law that determined what "cannot be readily broken open or into" is? And if so, would it have helped this case or been a detriment?
Not all judges have good judgement and not all judges know the law.
alcohol doesn't have an odour, its odourless... surprising that wasn't caught. The officer most likely smelled the odour of Liquor or spirits.
Ethanol, drinking alcohol, definitely has a smell...
Especially if you define smell as something your nose can notice/feel.
Cashier: do you want a bag for that?
Me: no thanks, I have a big metal box right outside
"Super drunk" - sounds like this one came with a cape. Three more beers and she'd be able to fly!
Thanks for your analysis Ian. It seems like the law can sometimes be unclear in a variety of respects, you are able to provide some insight into how to better protect yourself and exercise a better standard with respect to firearms.
Judge Runkle.... One day
I would be happy on that court date !!
But my house has windows? Do I have to buy a sea-can for storage now?
Also they kind of contradict themselves when saying "in any event, the vehicle was not securely locked". Then the judge states "In this case, the defendant knew that she had an operable firearm, and ammunition for that firearm, (side note: storing firearm and said ammo for the firearm together isn't illegal, just a suggestion) in a LOCKED hatchback car."
Fails all over this case.
I wonder if the "drinking" is important because it establishes that unless was going to drive drunk, she was intentionally storing the gun in the vehicle (i.e., not in the process of transporting it to another location)?
I'd like to see that judge removed.
Yet the defendant was able to make it back to her own residence without incident, and the 2 officers state she couldn't stand on her own.
The officers both state, "presumed"? wow that is some pretty shoddy work, and yet the judge goes with it, wow, I wouldn't hire any of them for the jobs they are supposed to do.
A good lock picker can pick any gun lock. Lockpicking lawyer has done it several times.
Did the fact that she was hammered and threatening with a firearm not play into her charges? If she was drunk, why was she anywhere near a gun? Or a truck?
Most containers are transportable because you generally don’t need a static container. If you break into a vehicle it’s breaking and entering. Vehicle glass is stronger than household glass but a locked house is a container. How secure is secure? A trunk can be easily accessed, none are made to prevent forcible entry
It's Canada that's all you have to say about this VID! 😂 In Florida where I live you can have a handgun in your glove box if it's in a hammer strap holster or if its in a closed case on your seat loaded! They call it the 3 step law. Either open the glove box pull the gun out take it out of the holster same with a closed box! You don't need a concealed carry permit either 😎 I've never looked up rifle carry in Florida but I'm sure you can carry 1 in a case as well!
Canada has never seen the need for such a carry law and most Canadians didn't bother...................just a different outlook since the 1800's
Ya I have an old bus and an old wonderbread truck that are only storage on my farm. They aren't seized, aren't licensed they can run- although haven't been started in a couple years- but they are damn handy to have moveable if needed storage around the farm here
were bought auction way cheaper than building or buying a shed too
When it comes to your rifle and or shotgun n your vehicle, keep the trigger lock on, and keep it safe, and keep it secret.
Alcohol and firearms are deadly bedfellows. We all must heard stories.
Trigger lock for transportation of firearms only applies to the restricted category 😊
@@madworldsnight5528 He wasn't talking about transport he was talking about storage
@@madworldsnight5528 To be safe i was stopped by The RCMP during hunting season they were furious when asked if I had guns,out right yelling Do you have guns in the car I said how many,they demanded to see all of my firearms I had 5. Two .22 for grouse, 1rem 870 12ga, 1 .17HMR.1 .3006 all had tigger locks, all bolts out plus Mags all in hard boxes with locks, ammo in locked in box as bolts and mags in the stow and go in a box locked still had trouble with them the yelling was something else and I know why IMHO! If you show any frustration or aggression they will take your firearms! The new world order from Billy. Lock those rifles,take your bolts out,just saying.
How would the removal of the bolt be dealt with in this case? If she had removed the bolt and kept the bolt along with the ammunition separate from the rifle would the charges of unsafe storage be thrown out? I read from the Canadian firearms safety course student handbook 4th edition that states on page 242 9.5 transportation subsection (e) state that you may in a remote area where hunting might reasonably occur, leave a firearm in an unattended vehicle that has no trunk or compartment that can be locked provided it is out of sight and rendered inoperable, which I take it to also mean, bolt removed. Subsection (f) relates to being exempt from some of the regulations pertaining to storage and transportation requirements. This is what's taught in the firearms safety course under the RCMPs approved course, the idea of charging the "victim" seems ludicrous to me.
If a window makes a vehicle not a storage container what about a house? Break a window or glass door to gain entry and away you go.
What about a rifle rack at the rear window of a pickup.
If you can’t then how do you get from home to range and range to home!
at 32:00 when you said that hotel rooms are distressingly easy to break into, you said that this is because of fire*arms* regulations, when I think you meant fire and building codes (NFPA specifically)
Have you ever tried to break a car window????? I have!!!
That's a bit misleading dodge shadows are a lift-back. which is more analogous to a trunk than a hatch or tailgate but I suppose it depends on their definition. Which is obviously too rigid/limited.
Yes car windows can be broken. But I feel the defence lawyer missed a great opportunity to cite the events of High River, AB where many secured homes has the steel doors with deadbolts bashed in by RCMP that may or may not have had a copy of the old registry to go hunting for firearms. And if your car trunk can't be opened without the key or the key in the car powering up a trunk release, you'll find that it's way harder to get into that trunk than into a Canadian Tire gun locker/safe.
This video should be titled CAN YOU KEEP A GUN IN CANADA
Any vehicle with a trunk release button cannot be securely locked by the judge's logic. All it takes is smashing a side window to the vehicle, then press the trunk release to access the locked trunk. Some trunks can disable the remote release with a switch inside the trunk, but this isn't always obvious or available. So this means most vehicles would not count as as securely locked.
Someone could easily break the window of my house to get in, just like the window of my vehicle. So, does that mean that my house is not a safe place to store firearms?
My understanding is that you're supposed to make sure that a firearm in a car is not visible to the public. So even if you aren't at home, it's supposed to be covered up. Secondly, if you're at home, you are not supposed to store the rifle in your car. So if you really have some reason why you can't store the gun, then you have a reason. If you're so tired that you can't carry a gun into the house, then you certainly shouldn't be driving. I guess the thing is that if you can store it somewhere else that's more appropriate, then you should. I've kept guns in my car when I've been hunting and am butchering the deer at a property which I do not own and am not a resident, nor am I even a guest in the home, but rather the property. Now that's something ambiguous that I'm worried about right now, but this lady leaving her gun in the car to go inside and get drunk, she was just asking for trouble.
Excellent video on a very grey area. My f350 has under seat storage, and will hold 4 rifles. However I transport with trigger guards in place. They are out of sight, out of mind.
My F250 has a storage bin under the rear seat that can be locked ....
Most cars with trunks can have their trunks opened from the driver's seat... which is protected only by a window. Old convertibles would be an exception.
Hunting up north with a pickup truck, storage in the truck only way. There is a way of locking under the rear seat with work
So would my garage count as a suitably locked room? The bay door has a bolt and padlock, and the entrance from the house has a locking metal exterior-type door. Assuming the doors remain locked it’s difficult to break into without power tools.
Read the manual. I review the manual quite frequently for these types of questions, particularly storage.
Prejudicial towards the defendant. Can’t expect her to buy a different vehicle to store a firearm. Nothing is secure, some containers just make it more time consuming to enter. One inch deadbolts only keep honest people out
Put a trigger lock on it and leave key in. Its locked stored and safe.
So my understanding then, is that you can drive with a gun in your car for no specific reason. Just take it back inside when you get home. And maybe keep the ammo on you rather than in the car?
I was told by my instructor, that it's totally legal to have a shotgun in the passenger seat unloaded of course.
If this is not true please do enlighten me on exactly what was false
many days i wish i never got in fire arms. I feel more likely to be prosecuted than if i was stealing trucks or robbing people.
Look at what sentences gang bangers get now. Firearms owners are way more likely to get arrested and do jail time then illegally armed criminals. That’s a liberal canada for you
The counter-argument is so obvious: do police never "store" firearms in their police vehicle? Is that also "insecure"?