How to use Autodesk Generative Design
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Want to know how to set up your first, simple generative design study in Fusion 360? Here's a small example, with a discussion of the results and what they mean!
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This is one of the best generative design explanations I’ve seen. Key points covered in a short time without being rushed. 👍
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Very comprehensive video Michael. Thank you for taking the time to walk us through the generative design workflow. Have a great day. Cheers, Aaron.
So 25$ for the tease and 100$ extra if you actually want to download the low res product. Just one of them. (really not a fan of cloud corp douching)
Dan Frederiksen sorry you feel that way. We know it’s not cheap. We hope that it provides enough value that people will use it gladly. In any case - it’s available to any commercial customer, but only those that actually need it pay. We think that’s a better deal than making people who would never need it basically pay for it in their software price. There if you get value, no cost if you don’t. Decidedly un-douchy
@@mickeywakefield you mean priced to the wealthiest neediest customers at the short sighted expense of any other use. The what we can get away with price. The pain threshold.
Say someone wanted to make a mechanical device with 100 parts, that would be 12k$ if he got everything right in the first go. By what you call decidedly undouchy pricing. Never mind full time use.
From the looks of it and comments below, the product isn't even of good enough quality to be used commercially.
If I can offer some advice, a general rule of thumb is that if it's cloud only, it's corporate douchebaggery. Without exception. And until the generator is good enough for commercial quality, you don't charge anything significant for it or better yet admit that it is yet useless and offer it for free as attention gathering and interest gauging while you try to make it commercial quality. Should you get to a product that has real value, a smarter pricing strategy for a useful program is by the minute at a price corresponding to a modest full time use annual subscription. So say for max, a program that only modestly improves once per decade, could be almost fair at say 800$ per year, charged by the minute at 50cents per hour. Now the suits are already panicking at the mere thought of charging less than current greed levels but what they might recognize if not so greedily short sighted is that business users would no longer squirm at the number of seats they have, hounding people to stop having it but would freely add more people should spotty need arise, which can grow to full time use. Second, it has a zero entry threshold for private users. 50 cents an hour is not too bad for home projects now and again. Even poor students might do it. The piracy market essentially disappears over night and become paying customers. Third, it removes the hatred of corporate douchebaggery that fuels free software or competition. It kills all momentum for competition. Even though unit price is less, income might increase 3 fold and user sentiment go from hateful slaves to joy. Not that suits would understand such concepts. I can only imagine a suit saying that's a great idea but let's do triple that price because they might only use it briefly and it might be value for them.
The pricing structure assumes maxing out at 8 hours a day and 5 longest days a week and 40 longest weeks a year. Should autodesk be actually reasonable (phat chance) then all non commercial usage should be entirely free, only a modest download fee for the server service to not overload it. Say 5$ for max. But charging everybody by the minute would be welcome given what we are working with.
I don't know the full extent of fusion 360 but the pricing structure there could be 8 cents an hour. And no forced cloud nonsense of course. The power is that 8 cents an hour is not a scary threshold and people will use it liberally and with joy, assuming it's any good. It's then your task to make it any good so people will be addicted. Crazy, I know.
We use multiple autodesk apps at work and I can tell you that I have the utmost disdain for the fact that I can't use that software at home for casual occasional use without paying a shitton of money to satisfy shortsighted corporate greed. Because massively overpriced autodesk max is generally useless on its own. It needs vray, forest pack and railclone, each one pricing their product to full time commercial pain threshold use. All functionality max would have built in, if the price was even remotely justified.
@@DanFrederiksen Just a correction, 8 cents an hour isn't a pricing model server farms use. It's actually X cents for every CPU core hour. It's common to see 0.5 USD for every CPU core hour in most server farms/cloud solutions.
@@DanFrederiksen Interesting idea
@@bushytail7262 meh
Very excited for the day when I can afford to learn and play with this!
Zach - you know this is available free of charge right now until the new year (2020) - right? Go try it!
@@modernDEsignwithFusion360 OMG ? really please tell me where I can find it. Can't find it on the website
@@gokulhbk Hi Gokul - you don't have to go to the website....it is already in your Fusion 360 installation! There is one catch though: Not all Fusion 360 licenses have the generative design "module"....so to speak. if you have an Education version - this software is not in that - and, if you happen to have a pretty old startup license (not a new one, but one around 2-3 years old in 2019) - then the generative design software is not in that either. The reason for this: Education versions have free cloud credits, but the generative design software is pretty expensive for us when we run it on Amazon Web Services - so we can't make it available to students for free, normally. The old startup licenses are from a time when we didn't even have this software, so they have some restrictions which are now old....new startup licenses actually have access to the software....its a legacy issue we are aware of. One quick workaround is to sign up for a trial license with a new email address and get access to the generative design software that way for thirty days. By the time your trial runs out, the free promotion will be over....so that would be a way for you to try it.....good luck!
Youre the hero here
I try it out, the tool is not worth the money yet. After hours of waiting you get usually a low number of really bad results. Autodesk should improve their algorythm before selling it for that high price. I think the tool could be really useful if it really works.
Sure thing, why the hell do you have to pay for every step.
Nice clinic video now I'm getting the architectural road-map for what I'm accomplishing in Peter MarinoArchitecture Incop.
glad to help!
@@modernDEsignwithFusion360 Happy2019 To All@modernDesign be very awfully nice for updates!
@@davidhernandez9985 how can I help?
25 then 100 credits...Ikea has a whole floating shelf for about 9, and as it is floating it smashes all the criteria you asked for. Which iteration from Autodesk finally worked out a floating shelf ?????
125 credits and you get better solutions in a free ikea catalogue ?
perhaps you've missed the point First Last....I wasn't suggesting you should design a shelf bracket. It is a simple example intended to show the basics of how the software works for someone interested in using it. My customers have used it to save over 150.000 Euros on parts for a concrete manufacturing facility, save 6 weeks designing a fixture for CNC work, reduce spinal injuries by 45% in action sports, and in one case - save a couple of grams on robot parts, which was the only way to get the robot working..... but....I guess you know that. PS - IKEA and companies like that will often spend thousands to save a couple of grams of material on parts like a shelf bracket. After all - they are making literally millions of them....
Good tutorial but I saw 1000 tutorials about brackets. I really would like to see something different. For example what is the difference between fixed, pin and frictionless constraints.
Yup. This software is really good at creating solid parts which connect two locations in a rigid fashion. That's a bracket. The fixed, pin and frictionless constraints are standards from the finite element code that underlies all of generative design. A fixed constraint holds the surface so defined such that it cannot move in any direction. a pin fixes a cylindrical face such that rotations are allowed, but translations are not. A frictionless allows translation in a plane, or rotation about the plane normal. You can find more information in the Fusion simulation tutorials.
Do I see correctly that Generative Design is not avaliable in the educational licences? Why do we need Amazon for that, is it not possible to let Fusion calculate it over night? I am sure that companies would still pay for getting results faster, but a school or a private person will never spend money for these calcuations...
Hi Tom Turbo - yeah, you saw that correctly. There are a few educational institutions which have access to the tech, but in general, its not available on the educational licenses. We don't expect private individuals or students to pay for this, and while it might be possible to run it locally, the calculations would take a loooooong time. Additionally - we are adding functionality to this software very quickly - there are already many more options than this video shows, and its likely that some of those coming in the near future will not be able to run locally.....in sum - at the moment, Autodesk has decided to keep this tool as a pay-per-use option so that only people who really need it will have to pay for it..... I can understand your disappointment though. Cheers.
The cloud points is a really bad idea
Rudi SWEG I think without the cloud credits it would be difficult to set a price for each country around the world. It makes sense to have this system to me.
Generative design is not allowed for students?? Somebody knows??
It is, but you have to make shure to use yor account with an educational email adress, for example the Email adress you get from your university or school
Interesting. What about selecting non-addictive manufacturing solution?
Yeah - of course. Other manufacturing conditions are available, and we‘re adding new ones as we figure out how to program them. They work, but IMO it’s important that the user understands what is possible with each manufacturing method. It won’t be able to provide valid solutions for things which cannot be made using the methods selected.
@@mickeywakefield Thank you for the quick reply! That makes sense, I'm glad I came across this solution. With additive manufacturing on the rise, it will be very useful in the future, And, I wanted to make sure this process is applicable for other conditions. Thank you for the help, I'll look further into this process.
Tolles Video - vielen Dank Mickey
Dankeschön!
Which software is this?
Autodesk Fusion 360.
@@mickeywakefield ok thankyou