I would like to see some driving portions in the late evening or even nighttime. I’m very curious as to the lighting (interior and exterior) of the vehicles he reviews.
Good take... I noticed the same thing. Prior generation had strayed waaay too far into 'The Jetsons' territory. I think this is why Volkswagen has remained so successful with their sedans.
Coming from a 2021 Hyundai Elantra SEL with Premium and Convenience packages, I lost very little in features but gained a far more mature car. I use the word "premium" to describe it.
That's what base models are for. For me, I think it's a great that an average car that I have to drive everyday for 5+ years can have a nice well designed and appointed interior.
Compact Sedan make a lot of sense since they have better handling dynamics vs CUV. It's well suited for those driver who actually want to drive their vehicle.
Alex's reviews are way better than any of the other online reviewers. He combines objective information, detailed engineering and content descriptions, and an articulate presentation to provide us with very useful videos. I have gradually given up on the others for their opinionated stylistic critiques and unprofessional presentations. I will never give up on Alex.
@@sacco425 Include Sofyan...he tells it like it is...the good, the bad and sometimes the ugly. For Japanese and Korean brands only I would also recommend listening to Kirk Kreifels
Honda, again went cheap on standard features... No lumbar? No rear vents? Only 60/40 on higher trims? Wireless apple and Android only available on Touring.. While Hyundai Elantra drives great, has more warranty, cost way less and comes packed...even in mid trim...
I know but with Hyundai you get a much worse trade-in value or higher lease payments due to the bad residual value on those cars. This is what keeps people going back to Honda and Toyota. Something needs to change as they are all making good cars out there with the exception of Nissan's notoriously fail-happy JATCO CVTs well under 100k.
Just saw my first one about a week ago. I wouldn't have recognized it at all. Except for seeing the word civic on the back. Very understated. Handsome though
Let's face it, that cheaped out with the lumber support. It would be nice if they not only supported backs, but the people who loyally buy their cars and have supported them for decades. I've heard that the horn is so quiet that it's basically useless, which is a safety hazard. Bad Honda, bad! Raise the price, give less. That's the world we live in these days. The consumer is treated like garbage in most cases these days.
I wouldn't be surprised to see one for 2023, in less than a year. The hatchback is coming in a few months and looks nice, if conservative. Given what a mess the tail end of the old one was I see it as an improvement, if a fairly bland one. It's oatmeal instead of Lucky Charms.
Love the song choice for this one. I honestly can't believe the nickel and diming on the split fold rear seat and the complete non availability of rear air vents. I would've thought it would cost Honda more in the end to have two different rear seat set ups versus just having the split fold standard.
Rear seat air vents are pretty rare in this class even the Luxurious Mazda 3 turbo doesn’t have them and it’s regarded as the best interior of the class
Rather my first reaction, especially after the "edgy" styling which we've had previously. But I'll wait until I see them in the flesh along with their various color options.
Exactly. I wonder if it’ll do poorly in sales and they discontinue for a different design like when they stopped the 2012 production cause people hated it.
I am in love with my 22 Civic Sport. But buyers be aware a lot of us are concerned something might be wrong because people are reporting they are getting 24 mpg and not the 33 that Honda estimated.
The new Civic looks nice, but it lacks a few things. For a premium sedan, it omitted several things. Full LED rear lights, no HVAC vents in the rear, no ventilated seats, short on rear footwell space, and the big one for me no driver lumbar support. Just that's last one will prevent me from buying. My back must have adjustable lumbar. With this top trim, it sounds more like a BMW. Buy the top model but add extras for even more money. I think that's a pity, Honda missed the target a bit.
Split folding seats not standard for that price is ridiculous, what a rip-off. At first glance the Civic seems nice, but the closer you look the more cust cotting becomes obvious. Might as well get a better midsize sedan for the same price.
Agree. I'd get a RAV4 instead of this. Toyota still gives you an auto tranny in the Camry too. With the Civic getting bigger I'd recommend the Camry anyway. The Civic is not a compact anymore...it's a mid-size car!!!
I was going to recommend this car to my mom but now I don’t think so. Too much cost cutting. I like how he had “Cheap seats” on the media screen after he dinged Honda for not including any lumbar support in the drivers seat. That’s a deal breaker for some potential buyers.
Great review. Non LED reverse and turn signals in the rear is something that really shouldn’t matter whether it’s on a compact sedan or any vehicle. Most people don’t know how to use their turn signals any way so like the reverse lights they’re not on long enough to make a difference in the life of the light.
young Alex would prank family and friends by recommending turbocharged cars and then laughing when their cars broke down early. Alex still hasn't changed unfortunately.
@@garrettw99 Is this not a free country? Are we not allowed to disagree with the reviewer? Turbocharged engines are not reliable according to master mechanic Scotty Kilmer.
@@braetonwilson4296 Scotty is a twit with his head in the last century. Mechanics have a very narrow view of the automotive world and no accurate idea of how often particular models break, as all they see are a small number of any given model. He talks trash about turbos because of bad experiences back in the 1980s and 1990s, the last time he was actually able to remember. Consumer Reports says that engine failures (until quite old) are incredibly rare, and that's true across maufacturers and engine types. They have repeatedly told their subscribers that in recent years, saying problems are so much more common in the rest of the car that the engine can be largely disregarded.
I prefer the combination rear lamps to all LEDs. It might be weird but LED signal lamps are sharper in their on/off states, making them visible shorter time than incandescent lamps. Traditional lamps emit some light switching between on to off state which makes them visible longer and I think that is safer. That is something I notice during driving.
I really agree with everything you just said here. At night, those LED tailights are too bright and flashing on/off is too quick/short for LED while incandescent has a slower digression of light output when it goes to an off state. Basically what you said.
I just drove a 2022 Sport model with the 2.0 liter motor as a Turo rental covering about 200 miles. I’m interested in perhaps eventually getting a hatchback Civic. This car had a bit over 5,000 miles on it and the meter said it was averaging 37.8 MPG. Trunk is huge for this size of car. Adaptive cruise works well. Power out of the 2.0 liter was adequate but nothing that would impress anyone. I’m not a CVT fan but this was better than some I’ve driven. For a commuter car it was certainly livable. Stereo was just OK- I’d probably look to improve the speakers if I bought one. CarPlay ran fine with no issues via cord only as wireless was not available on this trim. Visibility was modern car by which I mean the windows are smaller and the rear view is a bit narrow. The ride was more toward the hard/sporty side than an Accord which makes sense. But it is not as harsh as some cars and was never jarring. It wasn’t the quietest car on the highway but it was acceptable for the price. For the price ($24K MSRP) it was a very nice car. Since we now know there will be an Integra coming from Acura I’ll probably wait to see what it is like before I would buy a Civic. Especially since an Integra with a conventional automatic might get away from the CVT in the Civic. I’d suspect the 2.0 liter will last longer than the 1.5 turbo motor. If I was buying a Civic to put 200K miles on it I’d think really hard about moving up to the EX or Touring. The Sport was a very good package for the price. But I say that not having driven the 1.5- maybe it makes the car so much better that I’d put out the extra coin for an EX.
Thanks for the level-headed feedback. Unfortunately, many ppl assume that all Hondas are bulletproof. But I agree, the 1.5 is a big step down in displacement and will compromise longevity. Having said that, no doubt some will boost it to 300hp and think everything is fine. Until it isn't. ;)
Yes, if you removed the badge, it would look like the redesigned Acura ILX that should have come at least 4 years ago. Instead, we get a more expensive civic, and eventually a more expensive Acura integra. Either way, a win win for Honda/Acura, and the cust loses (as far as MSRP at least).
The entire car industry is going upmarket because that’s where the money is unfortunately. People working $7.25 minimum wage in America will never be able to afford a new car while the billionaires are just getting richer. Inflation is constantly pushing down blue collar working class families while most raises don’t keep up with inflation. It’s unfortunate. That’s how Hyundai-Kia completely changed their brand image too: cut the base models put more tech/quality = more profit and customers at a higher premium level That’s also why Mazda went upmarket and Honda is too
@@SilverScarletSpider Basically. It makes sense too has budget car buyers are probably just as likely to buy a better used car that what a market viable budget car would be. The money just isn't there. The good news is that brands like Mazda and Honda have arguably already passed the 80/20 mark luxury features/materials so were close to a happy medium of getting all of the interior goodies without the luxury excess of unnecessary performance (for regular drivers) and premium materials that may or may not actually be more comfortable/durable/aesthetically pleasing than more pedestrian options.
Dreamy is right. I just bought a new 2023 Civic Touring @ MSRP $31.6K. (Total out the door price was $35K after fees, taxes, tag, title, etc.) Civics used to be for college kids. Not anymore. Someone else pointed out that with the redesign and extra tech, Honda is largely targeting women in the 30-50 year old range. I agree. I’m a woman in her mid-40s and the elegance and semi-luxury look/feel of the Civic really appeals to me. I’m super happy with my new Civic. I’d been driving my previous ’02 Civic for 18 years, so it was definitely time for an upgrade!
Yeah, MotorTrend or Car and Driver mentioned it being a full second slower than the 10th gen 1.5T models as well. Maybe he’s taking Honda at their word rather than actual testing? Hell, 6.6 is close to the 10th gen Si’s 0-60 time.
my 2019 honda civic with 2.0l cvt auto averaged 43 mpg on sedate highway driving around 70mph going thru the mountains from states ,,,fla to mass ,, penn roads were the worse and trip was in june-july 2019,,, one can not beat the civic for overall best in its class,,,,,take this from an actual owner,,,,,best wishes to all and many road trips to come
I’m not convinced of your 0-60 time. Most reviews I’ve seen for this car measured 0-60 in the upper 7 to low 8 second range. I guess you had a good tailwind behind you.
Not a fan of the dust-catching honeycomb grate. Aesthetically, it’s a bit overdone compared to the overall subdued design of the vehicle. Would prefer the same textured material from the center console applied in a horizontal orientation.
I kind of like the way it look when immaculate, but yeah, it will look terrible once dust starts collecting in there. Almost as dumb as some of these new cars that have fabric on the dash/doors.
@@keithmooore that's one major issue I decided not to get a honda back in 2020 even though I liked how it looked. Decided to go with fiercest competitor instead.
Driver lumbar and rear vent omissions seem like a miss. Your ‘Exclusive Alex on Autos Trunk Confort Index’ animation @ 8:18, however, definitely a hit. Great video as always.
I'm sure it's a good car overall, but the price is out of control at this point. No lumbar support, no rear vents, CVT transmission, all on the top "2-ring" trim that's just about $30k ! Doesn't equate to a good value proposition in my opinion. With Honda's historical good reliability, maybe it works out if you keep it for 10 years ? Civic touring trim always seemed overpriced. So many better and less expensive alternatives; even within the Honda brand.
@@afcgeo882 Not even leaving the Honda brand, get a base Acura ILX for less than a civic touring trim. Kia forte gt/Hyundai Elantra N line, then Mazda 3. Most importantly, all these have superior powertrains for less money.
@@Josh-cw8by I was referring to a DCT. Those are not your grandfather's automatic. In fact, it's not an automatic technically. BMW, Porsches and others all offer variants of the DCT, and those are all enthusiasts vehicle. I own both a BMW M car and an Acura with the DCT. While the Acura's shifts are not quite as lightning quick as the M, it's a darn good transmission. IMO, Honda should offer that as an option on both the Type R, and the Si.
I'll be buying a car sometime in the next year. The '22 Civic Hatchback will certainly be one of the cars I'll be considering. But that uncleanaable dash board is really off-putting.
kia forte is not competitive at all imo. At least compared to elanstra Also why don't you mention the Impreza? I think that is the best in the segment. Standard AWD, safest, lowest starting price, excellent value, good performance, available manuelle transmission.
Imprezza! You got to be kidding. Terrible gas mileage, terrible old tech CVT trans with an unreliable track record, slow to go. Not even in the comparison charts.
@@riseabove3082 terrible gas mileage compared to all of these front wheel drive only competition and even then it is not too far off. CVT trans? You do realize every other entry except the Mazda 3 is CVT right? And Subaru's CVT is better than Nissan and Hyundais. Also has the best mainstream ADAS
A Toyota Corolla is not even close to competitive. A Kia Forte is a better corollary to the civic than the corolla is. Literally any compact that’s not a Toyota can compete with the civic
I was shopping between a Civic Sport and Forte GT. I couldn't believe how bare-bones the Civic's amenities were at the $24k price point. The drive was so mundane and uninspired. Needless to say I went with a fully loaded Forte GT for slightly over $1k more. Absolutely the best value in the segment.
Good decision!! I've always said that the guys from Honda take everything for granted. They live with the reputation, but there is competition that make better cars these days.
I know it's a good car, I am tired of the growth with every model revision. The last Civic I thought, was near perfect in size? I know it will drive well, but there's something about a compact car that 80%/90% of society can fit and drive in. That is easily controlled in nearly any situation.
@@afcgeo882 We have an 18 SI. I'm 6'1 about 230lbs. It's a coupe. People can still ride in the back when I'm driving with, relative comfort. Good luck GL.
@@keithjackson4985 It all depends on what people want. If you want a larger car, there are plenty of options. What makes no sense to me is killing the Fit and then growing the next size up, significantly. Also, how does VW make the Golf fit two tall adults behind each other, with significant trunk space, and an AWD system to boot (in the R version) and no one else can get even close? That said, the last gen Civic hatchback was actually longer than this one.
i love what honda did with the front end design of the new civic. To me it looks like a modern version of the 5th gen front end and i love those early 90s civic
Sorry i just see alot of what the accord should be, in this civic. it has nice lines and basically has the same interior space of the accord from a few years ago.....the 2013 accord was my favorite design and this civic definitely has that look....
Civic would be my top choice. Mazda messed up the 3 with making it too small inside with tiny windows. Corolla is the reliability and long-term cost winner. Koreans don't age too well and are a good overall package, but don't excel at anything in particular
Those tiny windows on all Mazdas makes me feel I'm in a death trap. I test drove the new "3" and the visibility was, is horrible! You're right, the Civic, like all Hondas, has a lot more space and felt far less claustrophobic. I pass on there Koreans also, agree with what you said and they have worse resale value which is a consideration that most people pay no attention to, but should.
The small rear windows are what put me off the Mazda3! I do love the new K5 and Sportage for Kia though. Ended up getting the 2022 Honda Civic Hatch in the end haha. The much improved interiors sold me on the Civic thus year.
16:30 thanks for being so honest. I watched many other youtubers' reviews and finally test drove one sport in dealer lot. Very disappointed with the noise, not just road noise but also the chassis, I am like driving a honda motorcycle on the highway. I now will look through all Alex review on compact cars and see which one is the quiets.
Every generation of Honda Civic has been very good in its time, some are now legends...but the impact of Honda CIVIC and ACCORD, S2000, NSX, MDX, ODYSSEY, RIDGELINE TRUCKS, TLX, LEGEND, INTEGRA, ETC have been far more important to today's modern vehicles than given credit for.
After watching a number of Alex' videos, I keep wondering what he was talking about when he would say the Two-Ring model. As well, I've been on the Honda web site a number of times and I didn't see any icons or models that relate to Two-Rings. Today, I realized that it's actually a sight dialect difference as Alex isn't saying the Two-Ring model but the Touring model. In New England, we pronounce Touring slightly different at the onset. We say Tor and Alex says To.
@@janoycresnova9156 people always think corolla and Accord are same class lol. Anyways an average Joe cannot tell a difference between regular automatic and cvt so this is not a surprise
The Sport Trim Civic with the 2.0 has been on fire around here. It's too bad they didn't make the 1.5 standard, but it seems that buyers really don't care.
@@jimthumerzs6981 I understand that for sure. Hopefully Honda has the 1.5 sorted and will prove to be reliable. The 2.0 isn't bad and will likely be the cheaper engine to maintain long term, but the 1.5l is a noticeably better driving experience.
Interesting evolving car/SUV market. I rather like the Mazda 3 but I'll have to concede that the company has perennially struggled with sales -- limited dealer network and lack of cash to expand, I think? The Koreans are really stepping up, and deserve respect, but Honda remains relevant and a class leader IMO.
They made a mistake with this latest Mazda3, because most shoppers in that segment do pay attention to price, and a couple of thousand extra for a nicer interior put them out of consideration - especially with worse gas mileage and a small, hard-to-use infotainment system.
@@markmiller3279 that's not all, interior space and torsion beam suspension were the downsides but most people won't even realiee or tell the difference in suspension cheapening
@@alvinsimba734 The Japanese government is desperately trying to shore up Mazda and Subaru. Hence thy encouraged Toyota to jointly do projects with Subaru, for example. They are both too small to survive without a giant partner, and so both may disappear into a merger sooner or later. The de-contenting of the cars is a last ditch effort to boost profitability -- but sales continue to lag. How to improve cars while maintaining or improving margins -- that's the problem. At least I think so.
@@sak1339 maybe but mazda as a brand is growing and all Japanese sedans, most that are well known will continue to sell regardless, remember back in 2008 when the economy crashed, everyone was ditching SUVs for smaller vehicles, now it's the opposite but won't be long before the reversal takes a turn again
As much as I like this new Civic and want to move down from an Audi A4 only because I want something more compact and reliable I don’t feel Honda sells this to me well. It targets a very specific demographic and also basic expectations. I probably should be looking at sporty small suvs one step above this. I would have to test drive it and see or maybe go with an Accord.
Just out of curiosity: what demographic do you feel this targets and how do you define “basic expectations”? I just purchased a new 2023 Civic Touring last month and absolutely love its more grown up and slightly European flare. Its more classic, traditional look will age better than the previous 10th generation.
I think Honda is making a mistake locking so many basic features behind the top trims. You need to go to the EX for variable intermittent wipers? That's BS, you get that in the stipped fleet trim of many vehicles. As good and IMO attractive as the new Civic is, that makes it uncompetitive for good entry-level transportation. The Elantra's biggest con is the defective transmission. (The styling *is* bizarre, but the Forte looks just fine.) I almost feel like this segment is intentionally kept somewhat undesirable to sell more profitable midsize sedans. The Corolla and Sentra perhaps slightly less so only because they do many fleet sales.
Sir nice review as always but if can try do review before afternoon or evening because the sun right here, already ruined your face and the car in this episode, I am feeling so hot even at home watching this😂 🤣
Ever since I discovered that the name of the song Alex chooses is an Easter Egg, I look forward to seeing what he puts on the infotainment screen. This one doesn't disappoint. My favourite is 'trees' in the Subaru Forester review.
While the 2016+ Civic still has funky yet good styling, this one is still growing on me. Honda did almost a see-saw effect on the last gen vs this. I DO love the updates to the interior(much needed). And it is good to see that the Honda magic in overall interior/trunk packaging is still prevalent.
Editing error when you were talking about the passenger seat and door card (repeated segment) overall great video. I wonder what honda will do to increase the type r's performance this gen as this gen civic is much larger.
This side of the Type-R or Si, I might argue the Corolla is at least as fun; no turbo, but it does have an optional 6-speed manual. I would certainly argue that a CVT is not as fun as a manual, even with slightly more power.
Can Honda finally do a decent cold AC for the civic?? Probably not. How well will the CVT's hold up?? That's my question.... This car is almost the size of a Camry, which is what I would buy if I had a serious interest in this segment. This is me....no cvt, no turbo, NOT made in Mexico, so I'd go with the Camry. (I'd buy the Civic hatchback sport w/ 2.0 engine and manual transmission, that hatchback looks amazing)
The side profile of the 2022 looks more like a clean slate ; premium side but For overall package (interior and Exterior) I agree w/ you ; previous version 👍
For cheap fun, Honda's NA engine with 6MT is better, since it'll have the weight and handling dynamics to back it up. However, have to wait for the Hatchback version to get that configuration. Hopefully, longer wheelbase and extra 100lb for 2022 model doesn't kill the fun factor....would need to really lighten the rear to compensate for the light-weight engine on longer wheelbase.
I wouldn't call the Elantra and Forte the same thing. Elantra has Smartstream engines, Forte has Nu and Gamma engines. Elantra is standard with Alloy wheels on base model, Forte base model has hubcaps.
I like the cleaner side and rear looks but the front look like it has a 5-head still an improvement of the previous toy like vented front but not by much.
I recently had the Corolla as a rental and I was taken back by how dated it felt for a new car. Funny enough, the Uber ride to the rental place was in a new Sentra and I was surprised as to how upscale the interior and ride felt for the same segment. I would pick the Civic if it had a Hybrid, but I'd still have to go with the Insight, purely for green reasons.
Nissan's interiors are really good. It was just the transmission issues that steered me away. I ended up with the new gen Mazda3, though the Insight was a close second place. The Civic would have been a very strong contender as well.
Everyone’s complaining about no rear seat air vents and no ventilated seats. Those are really rare in this class even the Mazda 3 which is regarded as the best interior doesn’t even have them
I wish the exterior were as adventurous and retro-cool as the exterior. Instead, I think Honda were trying to make a Japanese Jetta judging from the anodyne exterior styling.
They did that for the last gen and everyone complained it looked too crazy now they tone it down and now everyone thinks it’s boring. People don’t know what they want
I have a 2015 Mazda 6 and 2019 Mazda CX-9. I want to go small again as smaller, more tossable cars are more fun, get better fuel economy, and are better commuters. I also have three sons in car seats. Mazda kept their latest generation of 3 with a small back seat. :( I'm likely looking at a Jetta GLI (although not confident in their reliability and wish they had rear air vents), an Elantra N (although I'm worried it may be too expensive and too hard core), or upgrading to an EV like an Ioniq 5.
I hope the Insight continues but other than the odd looking PHEV Honda (I'm blanking on the name) I don'r see many Honda Hybrids so they may just stick with the Accord and CRV Hybrids. I like the looks of the Kia but I'd have to go Elantra Hybrid for a compact sedan.
@@HOTPLATEGAMING Thanks but that's a pretty niche vehicle. All the Accords and all but base Civic are, that's 99% of Honda sedan sales. Wish Honda hadn't gone all in on turbo. And their hybrid drivetrain where the engine is a generator for the electric motors, so there's no real connection between how you're driving and the RPMs on the engine, is also yuck. I'd never buy a Honda these days, unfortunately, due to their power train decisions.
Great review, Alex. Stay hydrated out there amigo, I can tell it's hot. Maybe experiment with some afternoon/night reviews?
Maybe mix in a short sleeve polo? Maybe a sleeveless shirt?
I would like to see some driving portions in the late evening or even nighttime. I’m very curious as to the lighting (interior and exterior) of the vehicles he reviews.
It's interesting how design languages are cyclical. I can almost see how we are going back to 80s/90s design aesthetics.
Good take... I noticed the same thing. Prior generation had strayed waaay too far into 'The Jetsons' territory. I think this is why Volkswagen has remained so successful with their sedans.
Everything is cyclical - there’s only so many ways a particular thing can be designed:
I've seen a few of these in person and "stately" is the word that pops into my head. Def more grown up design - Honda did a good job.
Stodgy and boring.
@@gwcrispi classy and clean
Coming from a 2021 Hyundai Elantra SEL with Premium and Convenience packages, I lost very little in features but gained a far more mature car. I use the word "premium" to describe it.
Why is everyone so fixated on “premium” these days? I just want inexpensive reliable transportation with a little bit of fun thrown into the mix.
Because it sells.
Because automotive journalists want fancy everything. Fancy controls that click, fancy air vents, fancy buttons etc
That's what base models are for. For me, I think it's a great that an average car that I have to drive everyday for 5+ years can have a nice well designed and appointed interior.
You can still get that in a lower trim. No problem. Let me guess though… you never buy new cars?
Compact Sedan make a lot of sense since they have better handling dynamics vs CUV. It's well suited for those driver who actually want to drive their vehicle.
Alex's reviews are way better than any of the other online reviewers. He combines objective information, detailed engineering and content descriptions, and an articulate presentation to provide us with very useful videos. I have gradually given up on the others for their opinionated stylistic critiques and unprofessional presentations. I will never give up on Alex.
Alex is a very detailed oriented reviewer, and one who doesn't shove his opinion on you. I would recommend savagegeese as well.
@@sacco425 Include Sofyan...he tells it like it is...the good, the bad and sometimes the ugly. For Japanese and Korean brands only I would also recommend listening to Kirk Kreifels
Honda, again went cheap on standard features... No lumbar? No rear vents? Only 60/40 on higher trims? Wireless apple and Android only available on Touring.. While Hyundai Elantra drives great, has more warranty, cost way less and comes packed...even in mid trim...
I know but with Hyundai you get a much worse trade-in value or higher lease payments due to the bad residual value on those cars. This is what keeps people going back to Honda and Toyota. Something needs to change as they are all making good cars out there with the exception of Nissan's notoriously fail-happy JATCO CVTs well under 100k.
love the civic! looks so much mature than the previous one
I want to find a woman that looks at me like Alex looks at lumbar support
Even if she stuffs you in a glovebox after she's done with you? lol
I just want to find a women who looks at me.
This looks soooooo much better than the previous generation.
Just saw my first one about a week ago.
I wouldn't have recognized it at all. Except for seeing the word civic on the back. Very understated. Handsome though
I like the Civic but at that price I would go for the Accord with lumbar support.The 12 hour trips to the Florida Keys,comfortable seats are a must.
Let's face it, that cheaped out with the lumber support. It would be nice if they not only supported backs, but the people who loyally buy their cars and have supported them for decades. I've heard that the horn is so quiet that it's basically useless, which is a safety hazard. Bad Honda, bad! Raise the price, give less. That's the world we live in these days. The consumer is treated like garbage in most cases these days.
i preferred the ricer styling to this boomer styling. I'd like a hatch si w/ manual, but I'm guessing that's not happening.
I wouldn't be surprised to see one for 2023, in less than a year. The hatchback is coming in a few months and looks nice, if conservative. Given what a mess the tail end of the old one was I see it as an improvement, if a fairly bland one. It's oatmeal instead of Lucky Charms.
Love the song choice for this one. I honestly can't believe the nickel and diming on the split fold rear seat and the complete non availability of rear air vents. I would've thought it would cost Honda more in the end to have two different rear seat set ups versus just having the split fold standard.
Rear seat air vents are pretty rare in this class even the Luxurious Mazda 3 turbo doesn’t have them and it’s regarded as the best interior of the class
Exterior styling does nothing for me but the interior is really nice.
Rather my first reaction, especially after the "edgy" styling which we've had previously. But I'll wait until I see them in the flesh along with their various color options.
Exactly. I wonder if it’ll do poorly in sales and they discontinue for a different design like when they stopped the 2012 production cause people hated it.
I am in love with my 22 Civic Sport. But buyers be aware a lot of us are concerned something might be wrong because people are reporting they are getting 24 mpg and not the 33 that Honda estimated.
MSRP😂 how about ACRP After Covid Retail Price.
Should be DRRP - Dealer’s Random Retail Price
Without AWD, in Canada, the Impreza looks really appealing.
and the mazda 3 for premium
The new Civic looks nice, but it lacks a few things. For a premium sedan, it omitted several things. Full LED rear lights, no HVAC vents in the rear, no ventilated seats, short on rear footwell space, and the big one for me no driver lumbar support. Just that's last one will prevent me from buying. My back must have adjustable lumbar.
With this top trim, it sounds more like a BMW. Buy the top model but add extras for even more money. I think that's a pity, Honda missed the target a bit.
I still think that the Accord Sport 2.0 is the best Honda Sedan.
Agreed
Always wondered why they styled it like a lift back but didn't make it a lift back?
@@LuvADuc There is a chance with the Civic going that route, this is a possibility. I, for one, am hopeful anyway.
Hopefully Honda has fixed the oil dilution issue with their 1.5T engine.
interior comb grille thing is a non-issue. just take a vacuum w/ a brush attachment to it.
Or a lump of silly putty can do
Agreed. Even if it has a little dust on it nobody will be examining it that closely. The occasional vacuuming will be good enough.
Exactly! I’ve had mine for a month and it literally does NOT collect dust 😂
Split folding seats not standard for that price is ridiculous, what a rip-off. At first glance the Civic seems nice, but the closer you look the more cust cotting becomes obvious. Might as well get a better midsize sedan for the same price.
I wish this car came with a regular Automatic Transmission.
Yeah me too. I can’t stand CVT.
Agree. I'd get a RAV4 instead of this. Toyota still gives you an auto tranny in the Camry too. With the Civic getting bigger I'd recommend the Camry anyway. The Civic is not a compact anymore...it's a mid-size car!!!
I was going to recommend this car to my mom but now I don’t think so. Too much cost cutting. I like how he had “Cheap seats” on the media screen after he dinged Honda for not including any lumbar support in the drivers seat. That’s a deal breaker for some potential buyers.
Great review. Non LED reverse and turn signals in the rear is something that really shouldn’t matter whether it’s on a compact sedan or any vehicle. Most people don’t know how to use their turn signals any way so like the reverse lights they’re not on long enough to make a difference in the life of the light.
I wonder if a young Alex used to prank family and friends by popping out of the trunk at unexpected moments.
Masterpiece level character development
young Alex would prank family and friends by recommending turbocharged cars and then laughing when their cars broke down early. Alex still hasn't changed unfortunately.
@@braetonwilson4296 why not just leave if you don’t have anything nice to say and you don’t like Alex’s advice?
@@garrettw99 Is this not a free country? Are we not allowed to disagree with the reviewer? Turbocharged engines are not reliable according to master mechanic Scotty Kilmer.
@@braetonwilson4296 Scotty is a twit with his head in the last century. Mechanics have a very narrow view of the automotive world and no accurate idea of how often particular models break, as all they see are a small number of any given model. He talks trash about turbos because of bad experiences back in the 1980s and 1990s, the last time he was actually able to remember.
Consumer Reports says that engine failures (until quite old) are incredibly rare, and that's true across maufacturers and engine types. They have repeatedly told their subscribers that in recent years, saying problems are so much more common in the rest of the car that the engine can be largely disregarded.
I prefer the combination rear lamps to all LEDs. It might be weird but LED signal lamps are sharper in their on/off states, making them visible shorter time than incandescent lamps. Traditional lamps emit some light switching between on to off state which makes them visible longer and I think that is safer. That is something I notice during driving.
I really agree with everything you just said here. At night, those LED tailights are too bright and flashing on/off is too quick/short for LED while incandescent has a slower digression of light output when it goes to an off state. Basically what you said.
LEDs can suit your preferences; the problem is that car companies do not care (yet?).
I just drove a 2022 Sport model with the 2.0 liter motor as a Turo rental covering about 200 miles. I’m interested in perhaps eventually getting a hatchback Civic. This car had a bit over 5,000 miles on it and the meter said it was averaging 37.8 MPG. Trunk is huge for this size of car. Adaptive cruise works well. Power out of the 2.0 liter was adequate but nothing that would impress anyone. I’m not a CVT fan but this was better than some I’ve driven. For a commuter car it was certainly livable.
Stereo was just OK- I’d probably look to improve the speakers if I bought one. CarPlay ran fine with no issues via cord only as wireless was not available on this trim.
Visibility was modern car by which I mean the windows are smaller and the rear view is a bit narrow. The ride was more toward the hard/sporty side than an Accord which makes sense. But it is not as harsh as some cars and was never jarring. It wasn’t the quietest car on the highway but it was acceptable for the price.
For the price ($24K MSRP) it was a very nice car. Since we now know there will be an Integra coming from Acura I’ll probably wait to see what it is like before I would buy a Civic. Especially since an Integra with a conventional automatic might get away from the CVT in the Civic.
I’d suspect the 2.0 liter will last longer than the 1.5 turbo motor. If I was buying a Civic to put 200K miles on it I’d think really hard about moving up to the EX or Touring. The Sport was a very good package for the price. But I say that not having driven the 1.5- maybe it makes the car so much better that I’d put out the extra coin for an EX.
Thanks for the level-headed feedback. Unfortunately, many ppl assume that all Hondas are bulletproof. But I agree, the 1.5 is a big step down in displacement and will compromise longevity. Having said that, no doubt some will boost it to 300hp and think everything is fine. Until it isn't. ;)
I love that the new civic has 3x the tech luxury features of my 2015 Lexus
Yes, if you removed the badge, it would look like the redesigned Acura ILX that should have come at least 4 years ago. Instead, we get a more expensive civic, and eventually a more expensive Acura integra. Either way, a win win for Honda/Acura, and the cust loses (as far as MSRP at least).
I guess people's fanboyism will be tested.
The entire car industry is going upmarket because that’s where the money is unfortunately. People working $7.25 minimum wage in America will never be able to afford a new car while the billionaires are just getting richer. Inflation is constantly pushing down blue collar working class families while most raises don’t keep up with inflation. It’s unfortunate. That’s how Hyundai-Kia completely changed their brand image too: cut the base models put more tech/quality = more profit and customers at a higher premium level
That’s also why Mazda went upmarket and Honda is too
@@SilverScarletSpider Basically. It makes sense too has budget car buyers are probably just as likely to buy a better used car that what a market viable budget car would be. The money just isn't there. The good news is that brands like Mazda and Honda have arguably already passed the 80/20 mark luxury features/materials so were close to a happy medium of getting all of the interior goodies without the luxury excess of unnecessary performance (for regular drivers) and premium materials that may or may not actually be more comfortable/durable/aesthetically pleasing than more pedestrian options.
Dreamy is right. I just bought a new 2023 Civic Touring @ MSRP $31.6K. (Total out the door price was $35K after fees, taxes, tag, title, etc.) Civics used to be for college kids. Not anymore. Someone else pointed out that with the redesign and extra tech, Honda is largely targeting women in the 30-50 year old range. I agree. I’m a woman in her mid-40s and the elegance and semi-luxury look/feel of the Civic really appeals to me. I’m super happy with my new Civic. I’d been driving my previous ’02 Civic for 18 years, so it was definitely time for an upgrade!
How did you find 6.6 sec 0 to 60 while all reviewers have between 7.4 to 7.6 sec...?
Yeah, MotorTrend or Car and Driver mentioned it being a full second slower than the 10th gen 1.5T models as well.
Maybe he’s taking Honda at their word rather than actual testing?
Hell, 6.6 is close to the 10th gen Si’s 0-60 time.
me too i call it bullshit on the 6.6
my 2019 honda civic with 2.0l cvt auto averaged 43 mpg on sedate highway driving around 70mph going thru the mountains from states ,,,fla to mass ,, penn roads were the worse and trip was in june-july 2019,,, one can not beat the civic for overall best in its class,,,,,take this from an actual owner,,,,,best wishes to all and many road trips to come
How long will the transmission last?? No one knows. Good luck!!!
I really like most of these cars in the compact sedan segment
Honda Civic
Hyundai Elantra
Mazda 3
Kia Forte
Nissan Sentra
Toyota Corolla
I’m not convinced of your 0-60 time. Most reviews I’ve seen for this car measured 0-60 in the upper 7 to low 8 second range. I guess you had a good tailwind behind you.
Not a fan of the dust-catching honeycomb grate. Aesthetically, it’s a bit overdone compared to the overall subdued design of the vehicle. Would prefer the same textured material from the center console applied in a horizontal orientation.
I kind of like the way it look when immaculate, but yeah, it will look terrible once dust starts collecting in there. Almost as dumb as some of these new cars that have fabric on the dash/doors.
i have a vacuum with a brush attachment; something like this doesn't look like it would be hard to keep clean unless i had a drink go flying into it.
@@norwegianblue2017cars of the 80’s and 90’s had fabric on the doors, it was gorgeous.
What a great effort in reviewing the vehicle and presenting the data across the segment, highly appreciated 👍🏼
They have to leave room for improvements for the coming years updates.
Have they redesigned the AC? Defective design has made them prone to early and expensive breakdown in recent years.
I think they fixed faulty ac condenser in 2018 and later models. Don't know abot faulty compressors tho.
@@keithmooore that's one major issue I decided not to get a honda back in 2020 even though I liked how it looked. Decided to go with fiercest competitor instead.
Driver lumbar and rear vent omissions seem like a miss. Your ‘Exclusive Alex on Autos Trunk Confort Index’ animation @ 8:18, however, definitely a hit. Great video as always.
I'm sure it's a good car overall, but the price is out of control at this point. No lumbar support, no rear vents, CVT transmission, all on the top "2-ring" trim that's just about $30k ! Doesn't equate to a good value proposition in my opinion. With Honda's historical good reliability, maybe it works out if you keep it for 10 years ? Civic touring trim always seemed overpriced. So many better and less expensive alternatives; even within the Honda brand.
So what competitor in the class has all that for less?
@@afcgeo882 Not even leaving the Honda brand, get a base Acura ILX for less than a civic touring trim. Kia forte gt/Hyundai Elantra N line, then Mazda 3. Most importantly, all these have superior powertrains for less money.
@@pj8761 NONE of those are less money, actually, and the Acura is definitely not a competitor.
@@afcgeo882 Ok cool, enjoy your new civic.
@@pj8761 I don’t own a Civic. Just interjecting some facts into ramblings of people based on no facts at all.
Has Honda actually re-engineered the 1.5 or just worked around it with timing; fixed the fuel wash issue?
This makes me excited for the Si. Can’t wait to see its power numbers and how it drives!
I hope they offer the 8-sp DCT from the ILX as an option for the Si.
@@cpl8168 The Si is an enthusiasts vehicle. I don't believe Honda would ever offer an automatic trans for it.
@@Josh-cw8by I was referring to a DCT. Those are not your grandfather's automatic. In fact, it's not an automatic technically. BMW, Porsches and others all offer variants of the DCT, and those are all enthusiasts vehicle. I own both a BMW M car and an Acura with the DCT. While the Acura's shifts are not quite as lightning quick as the M, it's a darn good transmission. IMO, Honda should offer that as an option on both the Type R, and the Si.
The Civis Hatch, when are you reviewing that one. Good job on your reviews!
I'll be buying a car sometime in the next year. The '22 Civic Hatchback will certainly be one of the cars I'll be considering. But that uncleanaable dash board is really off-putting.
Maybe the Bose sound system in the high end model can convince me.
This as a hybrid with AWD would be amazing!
At what price though...
If you need awd, get a CRV or RAV4. Prius owns the hybrid compact segment so no reason to compete there.
@@scottyh1509 Honda has the Insight. Much better looking than a Prius, but Prius has AWDe. I don’t want an SUV.
kia forte is not competitive at all imo. At least compared to elanstra
Also why don't you mention the Impreza? I think that is the best in the segment. Standard AWD, safest, lowest starting price, excellent value, good performance, available manuelle transmission.
Imprezza! You got to be kidding. Terrible gas mileage, terrible old tech CVT trans with an unreliable track record, slow to go. Not even in the comparison charts.
@@riseabove3082 terrible gas mileage compared to all of these front wheel drive only competition and even then it is not too far off. CVT trans? You do realize every other entry except the Mazda 3 is CVT right? And Subaru's CVT is better than Nissan and Hyundais. Also has the best mainstream ADAS
A Toyota Corolla is not even close to competitive. A Kia Forte is a better corollary to the civic than the corolla is.
Literally any compact that’s not a Toyota can compete with the civic
@@competitiveautomotive5457 forte comes with torsion beam in the rear, which isn't good. At least corolla comes with independent rear suspension
@@miraphycs7377 but the forte offers a turbo and an independent rear suspension. Not that much pricier than a corolla
I was shopping between a Civic Sport and Forte GT. I couldn't believe how bare-bones the Civic's amenities were at the $24k price point. The drive was so mundane and uninspired. Needless to say I went with a fully loaded Forte GT for slightly over $1k more. Absolutely the best value in the segment.
Good decision!! I've always said that the guys from Honda take everything for granted. They live with the reputation, but there is competition that make better cars these days.
I know it's a good car, I am tired of the growth with every model revision. The last Civic I thought, was near perfect in size? I know it will drive well, but there's something about a compact car that 80%/90% of society can fit and drive in. That is easily controlled in nearly any situation.
I agree with you. Why increase the size of everything constantly?
@@afcgeo882 We have an 18 SI. I'm 6'1 about 230lbs. It's a coupe. People can still ride in the back when I'm driving with, relative comfort. Good luck GL.
@@keithjackson4985 It all depends on what people want. If you want a larger car, there are plenty of options. What makes no sense to me is killing the Fit and then growing the next size up, significantly. Also, how does VW make the Golf fit two tall adults behind each other, with significant trunk space, and an AWD system to boot (in the R version) and no one else can get even close?
That said, the last gen Civic hatchback was actually longer than this one.
@@afcgeo882 Actually there won't be Civic coupe for 2022. Is this sedan shorter than the old 2020 coupe?
@@keithjackson4985 Sorry, I actually meant to say hatchback, not coupe. I corrected it.
Why do Honda have to make Civic bigger and bigger.. its almost accord size. So why buy accord? Or why not civic instead of accord?
Because ride quality is better in Accord
i love what honda did with the front end design of the new civic. To me it looks like a modern version of the 5th gen front end and i love those early 90s civic
Sorry i just see alot of what the accord should be, in this civic. it has nice lines and basically has the same interior space of the accord from a few years ago.....the 2013 accord was my favorite design and this civic definitely has that look....
Poor Impreza, forgotten sedan in the segment.
If they would include CrossTrek sales figures with Impreza the numbers would look a lot better.
I know you can't cover every part of the competition, but why no mention of the Jetta? It outsells the Mazda 3 by a significant margin.
Civic would be my top choice. Mazda messed up the 3 with making it too small inside with tiny windows. Corolla is the reliability and long-term cost winner. Koreans don't age too well and are a good overall package, but don't excel at anything in particular
Those tiny windows on all Mazdas makes me feel I'm in a death trap. I test drove the new "3" and the visibility was, is horrible! You're right, the Civic, like all Hondas, has a lot more space and felt far less claustrophobic. I pass on there Koreans also, agree with what you said and they have worse resale value which is a consideration that most people pay no attention to, but should.
The small rear windows are what put me off the Mazda3! I do love the new K5 and Sportage for Kia though. Ended up getting the 2022 Honda Civic Hatch in the end haha. The much improved interiors sold me on the Civic thus year.
16:30 thanks for being so honest. I watched many other youtubers' reviews and finally test drove one sport in dealer lot. Very disappointed with the noise, not just road noise but also the chassis, I am like driving a honda motorcycle on the highway. I now will look through all Alex review on compact cars and see which one is the quiets.
Every generation of Honda Civic has been very good in its time, some are now legends...but the impact of Honda CIVIC and ACCORD, S2000, NSX, MDX, ODYSSEY, RIDGELINE TRUCKS, TLX, LEGEND, INTEGRA, ETC have been far more important to today's modern vehicles than given credit for.
Wrong, N Lines and GTs are competing directly with the Civic Sport but it just shows how good those cars are to be competing with the Sis.
Civics are indeed far more expensive than Elantras. And N line Elantra will be far less than a Civic SI
Civic turbo manual hatchback, when it gets here, still sounds like a stonking good deal.
After watching a number of Alex' videos, I keep wondering what he was talking about when he would say the Two-Ring model. As well, I've been on the Honda web site a number of times and I didn't see any icons or models that relate to Two-Rings.
Today, I realized that it's actually a sight dialect difference as Alex isn't saying the Two-Ring model but the Touring model.
In New England, we pronounce Touring slightly different at the onset. We say Tor and Alex says To.
If I were shopping for a sedan, I'd get either a Corolla Hybrid or an Accord Touring.
They're in different class sedans. You should be shopping for Camry hybrid then.
@@janoycresnova9156 people always think corolla and Accord are same class lol. Anyways an average Joe cannot tell a difference between regular automatic and cvt so this is not a surprise
The Sport Trim Civic with the 2.0 has been on fire around here. It's too bad they didn't make the 1.5 standard, but it seems that buyers really don't care.
Some people prefer naturally aspirated engine, it’s more reliable and last longer than turbo engine.
@@blackwhirlwind1245 This.
The higher-end Civics would appeal to me if I could get the 2.0 rather than the troublesome turbo.
@@jimthumerzs6981 I understand that for sure. Hopefully Honda has the 1.5 sorted and will prove to be reliable. The 2.0 isn't bad and will likely be the cheaper engine to maintain long term, but the 1.5l is a noticeably better driving experience.
Interesting evolving car/SUV market. I rather like the Mazda 3 but I'll have to concede that the company has perennially struggled with sales -- limited dealer network and lack of cash to expand, I think? The Koreans are really stepping up, and deserve respect, but Honda remains relevant and a class leader IMO.
They made a mistake with this latest Mazda3, because most shoppers in that segment do pay attention to price, and a couple of thousand extra for a nicer interior put them out of consideration - especially with worse gas mileage and a small, hard-to-use infotainment system.
@@markmiller3279 that's not all, interior space and torsion beam suspension were the downsides but most people won't even realiee or tell the difference in suspension cheapening
@@alvinsimba734 The Japanese government is desperately trying to shore up Mazda and Subaru. Hence thy encouraged Toyota to jointly do projects with Subaru, for example. They are both too small to survive without a giant partner, and so both may disappear into a merger sooner or later. The de-contenting of the cars is a last ditch effort to boost profitability -- but sales continue to lag. How to improve cars while maintaining or improving margins -- that's the problem. At least I think so.
@@sak1339 maybe but mazda as a brand is growing and all Japanese sedans, most that are well known will continue to sell regardless, remember back in 2008 when the economy crashed, everyone was ditching SUVs for smaller vehicles, now it's the opposite but won't be long before the reversal takes a turn again
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0-60 mph in 6.6 seconds? Maybe, if you push it off a cliff. Most major car magazines are getting mid 7s to low 8s going 0-60 mph.
As much as I like this new Civic and want to move down from an Audi A4 only because I want something more compact and reliable I don’t feel Honda sells this to me well. It targets a very specific demographic and also basic expectations. I probably should be looking at sporty small suvs one step above this. I would have to test drive it and see or maybe go with an Accord.
Just out of curiosity: what demographic do you feel this targets and how do you define “basic expectations”? I just purchased a new 2023 Civic Touring last month and absolutely love its more grown up and slightly European flare. Its more classic, traditional look will age better than the previous 10th generation.
Hard to believe that a cvt Honda can be more fun to drive than a 8 speed automatic Jetta .
I think Honda is making a mistake locking so many basic features behind the top trims. You need to go to the EX for variable intermittent wipers? That's BS, you get that in the stipped fleet trim of many vehicles.
As good and IMO attractive as the new Civic is, that makes it uncompetitive for good entry-level transportation.
The Elantra's biggest con is the defective transmission. (The styling *is* bizarre, but the Forte looks just fine.) I almost feel like this segment is intentionally kept somewhat undesirable to sell more profitable midsize sedans. The Corolla and Sentra perhaps slightly less so only because they do many fleet sales.
So combined legroom of new civic is still below latest elantra
Sir nice review as always but if can try do review before afternoon or evening because the sun right here, already ruined your face and the car in this episode, I am feeling so hot even at home watching this😂 🤣
Ever since I discovered that the name of the song Alex chooses is an Easter Egg, I look forward to seeing what he puts on the infotainment screen. This one doesn't disappoint.
My favourite is 'trees' in the Subaru Forester review.
Dunno, but a base Jetta with 6MT offers more torque, as good (or better) highway MPG, for less money, is still tempting.
While the 2016+ Civic still has funky yet good styling, this one is still growing on me. Honda did almost a see-saw effect on the last gen vs this. I DO love the updates to the interior(much needed). And it is good to see that the Honda magic in overall interior/trunk packaging is still prevalent.
I like the newer version of the Civic I saw one in person, and it looks super modern and innovative from its predecessor.
Love review & love the car!!
Editing error when you were talking about the passenger seat and door card (repeated segment) overall great video. I wonder what honda will do to increase the type r's performance this gen as this gen civic is much larger.
Theyll base it on the hatchback
There r some rumours it might be awd
I like it but I think it will be too heavy
For a car like this
I like that you incorporate little jokes in your reviews nowadays. Kudos!
This side of the Type-R or Si, I might argue the Corolla is at least as fun; no turbo, but it does have an optional 6-speed manual. I would certainly argue that a CVT is not as fun as a manual, even with slightly more power.
Agreed!
The corolla isn’t fun lol because it’s just another Toyota 😆
Even the rumored gr corolla won’t change anything lol
Can Honda finally do a decent cold AC for the civic?? Probably not.
How well will the CVT's hold up?? That's my question....
This car is almost the size of a Camry, which is what I would buy if I had a serious interest in this segment. This is me....no cvt, no turbo, NOT made in Mexico, so I'd go with the Camry. (I'd buy the Civic hatchback sport w/ 2.0 engine and manual transmission, that hatchback looks amazing)
The oil dilution problem is deal killer for me.
Still ? I know it’s the same engine 1.5 but these models too ?
10:30
"I was able to squeeze my lumbar support in there"
🤣🤣🤣 Cheeky, Alex, very cheeky!
'Cheap Seats' playing on the radio ... Coincidence ?
@@overboost7667 Good catch. Knowing AoA, definitely not 🤣
Did you see the song he had lined up on the CarPlay? :-)
This back seat low head room remind me of old VW Jetta, which has great leg room and poor head room. It hope the Hatchback version will solve it.
According to Alex's Civic hatchback preview video of June 23, the rear headroom is just as deficient in the hatch.
Are you trying to say something regarding your song choice? (You always seem to link the reviewed vehicle to your song choice as an Easter egg lol)
The Civic is still king of it's segment!!!!! It's some stuff that I feel Honda could've done better, but still the best in It's class.
Yeah like that front end looking like a Beluga whale 🐳
For some reason I like the previous version more
The side profile of the 2022 looks more like a clean slate ; premium side but For overall package (interior and Exterior) I agree w/ you ; previous version 👍
For cheap fun, Honda's NA engine with 6MT is better, since it'll have the weight and handling dynamics to back it up. However, have to wait for the Hatchback version to get that configuration. Hopefully, longer wheelbase and extra 100lb for 2022 model doesn't kill the fun factor....would need to really lighten the rear to compensate for the light-weight engine on longer wheelbase.
I wouldn't call the Elantra and Forte the same thing. Elantra has Smartstream engines, Forte has Nu and Gamma engines. Elantra is standard with Alloy wheels on base model, Forte base model has hubcaps.
I like the cleaner side and rear looks but the front look like it has a 5-head still an improvement of the previous toy like vented front but not by much.
I recently had the Corolla as a rental and I was taken back by how dated it felt for a new car. Funny enough, the Uber ride to the rental place was in a new Sentra and I was surprised as to how upscale the interior and ride felt for the same segment. I would pick the Civic if it had a Hybrid, but I'd still have to go with the Insight, purely for green reasons.
Nissan's interiors are really good. It was just the transmission issues that steered me away. I ended up with the new gen Mazda3, though the Insight was a close second place. The Civic would have been a very strong contender as well.
Everyone’s complaining about no rear seat air vents and no ventilated seats. Those are really rare in this class even the Mazda 3 which is regarded as the best interior doesn’t even have them
Most of its competitors dont even offering rear seat air vents hence the price points.
I’m thinking cleaning that honeycomb grill with a can of compressed air and a vacuum might be the best solution.
Superb review!
Plz do a review on Child car seat review on civic.
Hondas always known for its superior handling and feel
Modern Hondas are known for oil dilution, poor dealership experience, zero discount from MSRP, and air conditioning that keeps breaking.
@@braetonwilson4296 don't forget their terrible infotainment UI
@@fecesd5g the UI has improved i think but time will tell.
The Civic fake shifting CVT is infuriating. Make it behave like a CVT or put in an auto.
I wish the exterior were as adventurous and retro-cool as the exterior. Instead, I think Honda were trying to make a Japanese Jetta judging from the anodyne exterior styling.
They did that for the last gen and everyone complained it looked too crazy now they tone it down and now everyone thinks it’s boring. People don’t know what they want
I have a 2015 Mazda 6 and 2019 Mazda CX-9. I want to go small again as smaller, more tossable cars are more fun, get better fuel economy, and are better commuters. I also have three sons in car seats. Mazda kept their latest generation of 3 with a small back seat. :( I'm likely looking at a Jetta GLI (although not confident in their reliability and wish they had rear air vents), an Elantra N (although I'm worried it may be too expensive and too hard core), or upgrading to an EV like an Ioniq 5.
I hope the Insight continues but other than the odd looking PHEV Honda (I'm blanking on the name) I don'r see many Honda Hybrids so they may just stick with the Accord and CRV Hybrids. I like the looks of the Kia but I'd have to go Elantra Hybrid for a compact sedan.
I thought the civics had the 2.0L naturally aspirated standard in their line up?
Nope. All Honda sedans except the lowest trim Civic are turbocharged.
@@robertpesche7812
The Honda Insight is not turbocharged
@@HOTPLATEGAMING Thanks but that's a pretty niche vehicle. All the Accords and all but base Civic are, that's 99% of Honda sedan sales. Wish Honda hadn't gone all in on turbo. And their hybrid drivetrain where the engine is a generator for the electric motors, so there's no real connection between how you're driving and the RPMs on the engine, is also yuck. I'd never buy a Honda these days, unfortunately, due to their power train decisions.
In Canada, the 1.5T Civic is $3k more expensive then Elantra N-line.