The Top 20 Modern Horizons 3 Cards for Modern | MTGGoldfish Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- The crew counts down their top 20 Modern cards from Modern Horizons 3!
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Intro Music: "8 Bit Adventure" By HeatleyBros
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Outro Music: "8 Bit Ending" By HeatleyBros
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0:00 Intro
2:01 Ugin's Binding
4:08 Disruptor Flute
5:44 Phlage, Titan of Fire's Fury
7:19 Shifting Woodland
8:55 Vexing Bauble
11:48 Nadu, Winged Wisdom
14:45 Flare of Duplication
16:53 Wrath of the Skies
19:25 Winter Moon
22:35 Necrodominance
29:01 Sorin of House Markov
31:33 Grist, Voracious Larva
36:20 Tune the Narrative
40:00 Amped Raptor
43:11 Ulamog, the Defiler
46:19 Flare of Malice
48:42 Phyrexian Tower
51:02 Harbinger of the Seas
54:45 Ugin's Labyrinth
56:59 Flare of Denial
1:00:54 Crabomination
1:02:41 Outro 
Игры
I sincerely will never tire of these podcasts.
Seth: But......but the value!!!!
Richard: This card might shoot your opponent in the head, but it doesn't replace itself. I don't think it's very good.
Crim: Nuanced and thoughtful takes as long as the card isn't green.
No lies!
You forgot the bingo card phrases of "Straight trash" and "Stone Unplayable", though
Hey crim was pretty open to Grist and that's green lol
Bloody brilliant summary of their personalities!
Listening to Seth is like taking an antidepressant then Richard always brings me back to reality 😂
That’s pretty apt lol. Thanks for the chuckle.
A card can cost 1 mana, be a 12/12 hexproof indestructible god demon dragon dinosaur with anihilator 100 and richard will say MAYBE it´s an ok card
Free edict takes care of that ;)
doesn't have haste
Grumpy old Richard.
Doesn’t come as a pre-game action lol
Yeah, at this point, Richard's opinion on new cards means almost nothing to me. I think his mind is stuck in 2013 modern Jund
Crim cracking himself up saying "the sac is huge" 🤣55:34
I'm disappointed Richard and Seth barely reacted 😂😂
Lord of Atlantis is a 2/2
Master of the Pearl Trident is a 2/2
Merfolk Trickster is a 2/2
Harbinger (both of Seas and Tides) are both 2/2s
Tishana's Tidebinder is a 3/2
Rishadan Dockhand is a 1/2
Svyelun is a 3/4. Only Vodalian Hexcatcher and Tideshapers are 1/1s, but wait, if you kick the Tideshaper, then guess what--it's a 2/2. Some fish pilots are returning to Silvergill Adept, which is a 2/1, but most of us dropped that card a while ago. Richard, you're a smart guy, but what the hell are you talking about? Merfolk does not fear Bowmasters in the least.
"This is Grist asking you if you would still love them as a worm?"
Had to stop myself from laughing out loud at work.
I love that Crim gave the crabomination shoutout at the end. That card is going to surprise people.
I play merfolk and I definitely will try flare of denial. We are already sacrificing our fish to counter stuff, this one seems just more efficient and still usable late game without sacrificing anything so I can't really see any downsides. Not sure if it will replace FON entirely, but this is at least useful all the time and not only against certain decks. And I definitely don't agree that counterspells are trash in this meta tbh. Non creature counter perhaps, but overall counterspell will always have a place imo. Can't wait to try this and of course harbinger as well which seems completely busted
I gotta hand it to Seth, the goat of ad copies. I almost always double tap through the ads but he actually got me this time
As someone who plays Affinity in Modern, I'm kinda mid on Ugin's Labyrinth. My concern with the card is how it's gonna impact the mana base.
Yes, potentially, it can make two mana if you imprint the card. However, the deck typically wants to run x amount of artifact lands to help enable the Affinity part, and this isn't an artifact land.
So yes, it potentially could help you power out a turn two Synthesizer, but also means you might have to wait a turn or two to power out your seven drops, which means you given your opponent a chance to deal with it before you get any value out of it.
I might be wrong, but it just seems kinda clunky with Affinity, but I do think it's still a powerful card, and some decks will definitely take advantage of it.
Just a heads up- Ugin's binding doesn't work with prototype. prototype is weird and alters the card cmc and color, so the spell is both cheaper and not colorless
Sorin has some combos with Nourishing Shoal to gain 10+ life and shoot them dead on turn 2.
Certainly something to keep in mind and brew, as the potential is huge.
The fact that Ajani, Nacatl Pariah didn't make the top 20 means the Goldfish crew doesn't appreciate...... Me going 2-3 or 1-4 at Modern Tourneys playing Cat tribal despite paying a large amount for a Good mana base.
I love the bickering and never tire of you guys. Feel free to break this into two podcasts for the commander one!
"Amped Rampter" my favorite part of the video
I think Psychic Frog could do something in Modern. We got pieces of the old Psycatog deck in MH2 like Wonder and Upheaval so maybe there's something there. If not maybe there's some sort of Dimir Scam deck it fits into.
It's interesting what Seth said about this sets power level not being as raw as mh2😊. I find this set to be the most thought provoking sets ever, if not just powered by raw power cards. These cards are perfectly powerful, with all the magic the gathering we've come to expect from a game that's perfect.
28:45 - Iam brewing with this... just imagine an Turn 2 Dauthi / Gifted Aetherborn, Turn 3 Necrodominance, draw X. Than Nykthos into Gray Merchant. Draw X (Maybe pitch some for March). Than some cheap creatures (let 1 Mana open), cast Undying Evil to Gray Merchant, sacc it into Phyrexian Tower, Devotion triggers again. Use the 2 Mana for Sorin. Postcombat Mainphase flip and -1. Done^^.
Nadu in an infect deck as a top end card draw engine might be good.
How does vexing bauble shut off Leyline + scion in domain zoo ?
If played correctly, you can sack your creatures to red flare in response to a removal spell. The only thing is that I think you need to add 2-4 more red creatures (which I chose two Grim Lavamanacers) so as to make red flare's free cast more possible (much like FoW in legacy). I like how opponents don't necessarily know how low they are until this happens. And THEN you have access to Barbarian Ring, just in case.
I'm unsure of this last idea, but for tempo, playing the new UR burn spell with cantrip from Thunder Junction with this could be awesome. Cast UR burn spell in response to removal, red flare in response sacrificing the targeted (soon-to-be dead creature) and copy the UR burn spell with cantrip for 4 damage and replacing them with two more cards. IDK, probably silly, but still an idea. Also like a possible play with Arclight Phoenix? LOL
33:00 man that joke made me spit my drink lmao
😂😂😂😂
Crim giggling like a kid: The Sac is huge!
Pretty cool buddy 😎 👌 👍
3 weeks into the future and seeing how many Phlage are registered for the PT, I think we can give Seth the win on this one.
Lightning Helix is fine in Standard. It's the rest of Boros that is just up to fuck all, besides Convoke. Jeskai tends towards artifacts for the board and control for interaction. Mardu is not quite there, hard to align the distinct colors and the multi-color cards at the moment. Naya, on the other hand, has Annie Joins Up, which both solves the 'what do I do about things with more than 3 toughness?' problem AND makes all the durdly G/R/W legends go in to hyper drive. Helix gives a bit of breathing room for that deck.
Do we need to play the full combo with nadu; isn't using this with shuko, stoneforge, and saga good?
You can use ugins binding with cookbook madeness, eldrazi.
Crabomination displacer kitten is going to be so funny
Vexing bauble doesn't affect domain zoo, but yes very good against cascade. Also, affinity is being hyped a lot, it may be passable in that matchup.
No, It'll still be very good in the Affinity matchup.
static prison is another good card a UW control list could use if it went the energy route.
For new Ulamog in reanimator you need some kind of exile flavor because it will just be a vanilla 7/7 with the ward if there isn't anything juicy in exile since you aren't getting the cast trigger
Necrodominance probably won't work well in Scam. It has a replacement effect that will exile your cards if they are put into a graveyard from anywhere.
Nadu seems really good in any 4 color omnath deck tbh. It's just free landfall triggers or more draw; everything that deck already wants to do.
As with any card that doesn't spawn its own deck "what is the cut" what am I cutting to run this
Phlage is ETB or ATTACKS i think the second part is overlooked and can work fantastically when it repeatedly gaurentees 3 damage or removes blockers. May not be a 4 of but jeskai control or boros burn its a big body that will end the game.
They are aware it has an attack trigger it’s literally the same as Uro and Kroxa. But the problem is if you have to escape it which is not trivial in decks like burn
Vexing Bauble hard counters: Discover, Cascade, and Free-from-hand spells, etc which kind of decimate a number of existing and possible decks. Worst case scenario it's 2 mana draw a card, best scenario it's 1 mana your opponent answers it or loses.
Not talked about enough brutal card in a fair few formats, but maybe people don't really play magic like that these days and it'll end up not really getting played which would be crazy to me considering ages ago this would have been trash cuz it wasnt that common to cast spells for free but today there's a lot of free spell BS this hard counters. (still might not be good enough though somehow? wild)
“The Sac is Huge” - Crim, 55:41
The only thing stopping tower from utterly shattering the entire format is the fact that unless you are planning to use it as a ritual you cannot really play more than 1-2.
On the other hand, it still might crack the format open.
Does disruptor flute make the evoke elementals at least cost 3?
I am surprised about the lack of Nethergoyf. Seems decpetively strong.
49:45
I know Richard is speaking facts cause he never moves more than 3 inches per video, so when he starts to move hands and change expresions i know crazy stuff is about to go down
Honestly Seth should make a new series around Phlage to show the world how good it is
Shifting woodlands copying dark depths seems kind of terrifying. I know depths isn’t modern legal.
Imagine if Vexing Bauble had a Leyline clause, where you could turn 0 it.
Then whose bauble would win if both had them?
Should of made if discarded it is put into play
@@3SidedCard Gemstone Cavern ability instead of Leyline 🤷♂️
@@brendans1983THIS is what i want from the next horizon set
Sacrifice a blue nontoken creature is opposite of free.
Harbinger of the seas is worse than magus of the moon with a more difficult mana cost
If you have sheoldred+necro, a bowmasters can still kill you if you're too greedy
Commenting got the algorithm: the sac is indeed huge
With all these new cards, Rakdos might finally be viable!
I could actually see sorin being a good card for a mardu burn styled deck, not a good deck by any means, but certainly a fun card.
How outrageous is disrupter flute against living and and other cascade strats 😂 probably not it but I think it’s funny to try
I'm very confused about Richard's argument about harbinger. The fact the none of the top decks play blue is a point in it's favor, unlike magus where you might waste 3 mana just for it to catch a bolt.
Dies to bewmaster is the new dies to doom blade
I dunno anything about Modern format but I love the banter xD
I was curious on Nadu specifically. It essentially reads as a 3/4 Flier with "give all your creatures Ward - your opponent draws a card, and if it's a land they put it on the battlefield". Is a +1 full-field Ward effect not good in Modern? I really have no context on the format and would love some input!
There've been cards in the past like Kira, Great Glass-Spinner that saw play. However in today's modern a purely defensive ward-granting creature is probably too slow at 3 mana. Nadu's combo potential makes it interesting though!
Rules question for the red flare from a Burn player: if you sacrifice Eidolon for the alternate cost, does it still trigger?
I'm not a judge but its a cost to cast so Eidolon shouldn't trigger. The spell to be copied could.
No he will no longer be on the field to see the spell casted to trigger
601.2 a-g in the rules explains it
Nadu looks pretty nuts if you have puresteel paladin or forge anew, doesn’t it?
Consuming corruption for mono black devotion. I think the deck may have legs
Ulamog : we get a lang that help you remove a 7+ mana spell from your hand...
The Flare spells are not really free, You have to sacrifice a game piece on board, that you had to invest in to put on the field. Except in very specific cases. Probably still very good, but there is an actual cost. As opposed to force or the evoke elementals.
"New Necropotence sucks..." quoted.
The sac is huge, lol
I have mixed feelings about the helix Titan. I want to like it, but the home I imagine for it is Mardu, and in Mardu wouldn't you want Kroxa instead? 😅
I can't imagine boros using it to good effect because you need self mill. Otherwise how are you getting enough escape food. So the best home is either Mardu or Jeskai.
boros has aggressive fetch lands and the canopy vista lands, it can fill its graveyard enough to cast it for sure, not a ton, but once or twice is perfectly doable
@@zackestin1368 Not to mention Bolt Spike and other burn spells.
The biggest problem is cmc. It needed to be 2 mana.
@@domri4203 They let my boy Kroxa be 2 mana but decided they needed to reign this one in a bit. Discombobulating tbh.
I am kind if suprised no one mentioned how oglage is the (currently) only elder titan with removal built in. Sure its not perfect but inferno titan+ wirh built in recursion looks good enough, especially if you can get haste on him, since at that point he can kill just about anything.
Also annie joins up makes him doubble lightning helix.
@@kylegonewild kroxa doesnt have lifegain to be fair, 3 life a turn in some matchups is literally gg, as you see from some other cards like oko and uro.
Crabomination sweep
55:35 Are we not doing phrasing anymore?!
It's SO crazy to me that Grief still exists when a 1 mana hatecard DESIGNED to hate on it still isn't good enough because 1/2 the games you play second, you're not going to have 4-of in the main for game 1 even if you're on the play, then even if you win game 2 with it from your sideboard you're on the draw for game 3. It's so ridiculously stupid Grief still exists, what a toxic, awful card.
Agreege I love playing my cards grief stops that
so they still don't get that necrodominance would let you draw your whole deck with sheoldred and gain X life where X = the number of cards in your library? not to mention fill your graveyard
Your argument is false in a few places.
You (mist likely) can't draw your deck, as you have to pay the life all at once, not in incraments. Meaning you can at most draw howevermuch life you have -1.
You dont fill the gy as everything gets exiled.
Both of these things alredy assume you play close to monoblack and sheoldred survives.
I don’t understand why flare of denial is that good. It can’t be number 1.
Sorry but in top 1 I think flare of cultivation is stronger than flare of denial.
Tower can easily cast Yawg turn 2, but the board will be empty.
I just want Nadu in a Pongify deck
Shifting woodlands looks busted but i don't think it's good enough for modern, the best thing you can do is copy omniscience but getting sunken citadel, a fetch, a shifting and then getting omniscience into your yard is a minimum of 4 cards with self mill and a far chunk of randomness with self mill. Earliest you are going off is turn 3 and theres a lot of ramdomness to it, realistically it's getting beat by most of the existing strategies.
Merfolk is already very playable.
Clash on!
Amped Rampter
I’m not sure you should have made this a countdown. Flare of Denial (personally I think this card is bad, between Force and Subtlety the blue aggressive decks can answer problems without reducing their clock) as your number 1 when you were universally talking about how phyrexian tower will get something(s) banned. Feels like you discredit your own rankings.
Dark Ritual in MH4 just leaked
New-lamog is NOT a good reanimator target. It's just a 7/7 body without the cast trigger.
I noticed the marionette apprentice wasn't mentioned smh. Super disappointed lol. Is chthonian nightmare bad in modern?
The real question was never answered..... would these be better with cowboy hats?
New goal: get seth to play wintermoon, bloodmoon, magus of the moon and harbinger of the sea in a deck
Aka: against the odds land lockdown
No Flare of Cultivation?
Not a flare of cultivation to be seen???
Wrenenrgy.. cards gain retrace.. then energy cards..
there's several cards here that all but guarantee grief gets banned finally
Tune the Narrative .. would be good. If it had surveil 1 and draw a card. Or Draw 2 cards and discard one from your hand. Just energy and another card is meh.
Flare of Malic + Forsaken Miner. Miner sacs, you target enemy pay 1 black and miner is back? Right?
I am begging for someone who actually understands Scam to appear on this podcast. Richard thinking Flare of Malice will ever 4 for 1 someone is mental.
Who us spike
Crabomination can potentially reanimate the artifact you sacced to pay its emerge cost...food for thought
Does this mean we'll get a top 20 commander horizons 3 cards for commander?
🤢
You would not have to watch it so why the frowny face?
I was really excited that's what this was 😢
Dude, enough. They do plenty of commander content
@@qwerty62201 nah
22:45
That card is absolutely terrible and will most likely never see competitive play in 60-card formats.
Best possible outcome would be that this card finds a home in a deck that sees occasional fringe play.
Seth, the fool of the podcast card picks...
Cool picks, but modern play can be stretch...
I enjoyed the shorter takes. It felt more consumable this way.
Does Richard only say every card sucks ? He plays jund in modern FFS 😂
Only new things suck in his eyes. Everything old is better. Or if the new thing is so good he can't deny it, he hates it.
Not to mention, Richard just sucks at magic in general 😂
Winter Moon is fucking insane.
against which decks?
vs TRON sure but every other deck doesnt care. this card is kind of dog poop
imo flare of denial is trash, ppl who play merfolk dont even think its a good card for the deck and if it doesnt have a home in merfolk its just a terrible free counter that might see some niche play in commander xd. i mean id rather a free counter be weak than busted, so pop off tbh wizards
Man oh man, this set will be *worthless* to limited players.
Amazing how wrong Richard is, regularly.
Richard can't build "fish" so it's trash just proves to me he has no knowledge of modern. I have had merfolk build since Voldaren hexcatcher and it's a solid deck that wins a lot of games handles a lot of decks.
Also why does no one say that ugin's labyrinth will protect your big card from a thoughtsieze. They can't take it if its in exile doubling the mana
It’s like 0.2% of the meta. It is objectively bad.
Its objectively underplayed. I know several decks that can play well into the meta that are in the low percentage play list. No one innovates now, everyone copies.
@@dane_anubis6213 look I hate to break it to you champ but "guy who gets mad when someone points out that their tier 3 deck is actually incredibly poorly positioned in the modern meta" is not, in fact, likely to provide "objective" analysis.
No worries. Wasn't actually angry. More pointing out the lack of understanding in the podcast, and the possible misinterpretation of data in your comment. I work in science and statistics so something being 0.2% of a data pool makes it to small to determine its potential interactions reliability in my experence. And if I am honest it's a pet deck that is not my favorite. But I do enjoy taking non tier decks for a spin at any level magic event and showing how much they are underestimated.
I will also spare you any insult related to the fact that name calling was essentially your best course of response when I opened up an alternate interpretation of data. Let's just leave that as the expected normal of internet conversation and be saddened it was all I found here
Uro but it doesnt draw cards and isnt blue nor green is a huge L
The maximum hand size of 5 is so stupid.
I like how wotc's card design team made a hate card for free spells rather than just not designing the free spells or giving spells alternative costs to be cast freely.